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**Alpharius**

I think Primaris "Terminators" are going to be the ones in "Gravis" armor, maybe?

So we've seen what it will look like - but yeah, I want a squad - or two - of them too!

**Galas**

Crazyterran wrote:
Galas wrote:
At first I was like "oh no, that means my beloved Space Marine characters are gonna die off with time!"

But after a second thought... I was more... actually, what Space Marine Character is really interesting? Who is not just a Gary Stu that is only special by the fact that he is the best at what he does?

What personality has Azrael, for example, or Belial, besides having a cool looking model, that isn't something that could be any player-made Chapter Master or Chief-Librarian? Maybe is my RPG mind speaking here, where I always find the "core characters" of a universe very lacklusters (Like the Warcraft ones), but... to be honest, I wouldn't cry a single tear if they just erase all 40k special characters and made new ones.

Only for Bel'akor. Bel'akor is love, both in model and in fluff!

Belakor, the Mary Sue of all daemon princes, is the only character to get a pass for you in 40k? :p

I like deppresing characters, and the first Daemon Prince, cursed to never achieve godhood and basically to be forced to help the new Chaos Chosens after he tried to be one? Oh yes.
When he puts the Chaos Crown to Archaon, making him the Everchosen, it was glorious. Bel'akor would be burning in his envy!
He is the definition of what happens in Warhammer when you try to hard to break the rules of the Great Game!

robbienw wrote:
Galas wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote:
The only difference between an Astartes and its Primaris equivalent are a single wound. Making every special character a Primaris would be as noticable as just giving them one more wound. There is no difference between the two other than model size so why even bother making anything primaris at all?

I still find the Primaris a confusing addition to 40k that seems more and more like GW chickened out of a hard reboot on space marines and settled for a compromise. I thought Primaris would rapidly replace regular marines but now I see no reason to buy Primaris. Clunky stock posed models that have none of what makes the marine range so great.

Oversized heads and pauldrons, models squatting like slavs, and skulls and aquillas everywhere?

I like Space Marines as any other, but the Primaris are better than the basic Tactical Marines. Is just a objetive truth.

Objective truth, lol wut

Thats nonsense mate, its your personal view. Others will disagree.

No, my personal view would be if I was talking about liking or disliking the Primaris Marines. As miniatures, they are objetively better than the old Space Marines. Just like even if you like the old-hammer miniatures, the new ones (In general) are just better as a product from a objetive point of view. The technical quality is better, normally the anatomy is better, etc... you could like them or not, but liking something is irrelevant to measure his quality.

**Bull0**

Why do people trot out "objective" like it's the trump card? Oh I can't argue with your opinion because it's just your opinion, but I have OBJECTIVE FACTS about the "goodness" of these toys therefore that trumps your opinion, and I need your opinion to be wrong

It's so bizarre

**Crimson**

BTW, the info that existing marines can be upgraded into primaris comes directly from Pete Foley (second Live Q&A), he says it pretty clearly when he explains the primaris process, so I'd assume that this is indeed the case. Especially as no one seems to be able to name these BL authors who are supposed contradict him or produce any actual quotes.

**Alpharius**

Bull0 wrote:
Why do people trot out "objective" like it's the trump card? Oh I can't argue with your opinion because it's just your opinion, but I have OBJECTIVE FACTS about the "goodness" of these toys therefore that trumps your opinion, and I need your opinion to be wrong

It's so bizarre

Meanwhile, back on topic in this thread, while also following RULE #1, to both the letter AND the intent...

Crimson wrote:
BTW, the info that existing marines can be upgraded into primaris comes directly from Pete Foley (second Live Q&A), he says it pretty clearly when he explains the primaris process, so I'd assume that this is indeed the case. Especially as no one seems to be able to name these BL authors who are supposed contradict him or produce any actual quotes.

I actually do know one of the authors' names, but not sure if I'm 'supposed' to know, or say, so...

...I guess we'll see?

**infinite_array**

Alpharius wrote:
I think Primaris "Terminators" are going to be the ones in "Gravis" armor, maybe?

So we've seen what it will look like - but yeah, I want a squad - or two - of them too!

Aggressors, apparently - Gravis armor with shoulder-mounted rocket launchers and flamer gauntlets.

I'm interested in seeing Reivers (stealth power armor, "heavy" bolt pistols).

**Alpharius**

Wondering how all Primaris armies will deal with Hordes, as Hordes look to be a tough thing to actually deal with in 8E.

**EmberlordofFire8**

Massed plasma seems like it'd do the trick.

**robbienw**

robbienw wrote:
Galas wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote:
The only difference between an Astartes and its Primaris equivalent are a single wound. Making every special character a Primaris would be as noticable as just giving them one more wound. There is no difference between the two other than model size so why even bother making anything primaris at all?

I still find the Primaris a confusing addition to 40k that seems more and more like GW chickened out of a hard reboot on space marines and settled for a compromise. I thought Primaris would rapidly replace regular marines but now I see no reason to buy Primaris. Clunky stock posed models that have none of what makes the marine range so great.

Oversized heads and pauldrons, models squatting like slavs, and skulls and aquillas everywhere?

I like Space Marines as any other, but the Primaris are better than the basic Tactical Marines. Is just a objetive truth.

Objective truth, lol wut

Thats nonsense mate, its your personal view. Others will disagree.

No, my personal view would be if I was talking about liking or disliking the Primaris Marines. As miniatures, they are objetively better than the old Space Marines. Just like even if you like the old-hammer miniatures, the new ones (In general) are just better as a product from a objetive point of view. The technical quality is better, normally the anatomy is better, etc... you could like them or not, but liking something is irrelevant to measure his quality.

Nope, its still just your opinion and personal view, no objective point of view about it.

They arent technically better in terms of quality, they have the same detail level as the newer marine kits from the last 3 or 4 years, and other recent GW CAD kits. There is no marked detail difference like there is between, for example, a 1995 biker and a 2013 ravenwing black knight biker.

You may prefer their size, but again this is your preference, that does not 'objectively' make them better models.

I guess you could say the proportions are objectively better.............if you think a fictional super soldier should scale to the proportions of a normal human

So no, they aren't objectively better.

**Galas**

Bull0 wrote:
Why do people trot out "objective" like it's the trump card? Oh I can't argue with your opinion because it's just your opinion, but I have OBJECTIVE FACTS about the "goodness" of these toys therefore that trumps your opinion, and I need your opinion to be wrong

It's so bizarre

Because theres objetive qualitys that we can measure in some products.

A Iphone 7 is better than a Iphone 4. Is just mathematics. The same goes for Computers, Cars, other tools, or in this case, the technical quality of a miniature.

EDIT: Ok I have seen Alpharius about 2#. I'll leave this topic here!

And I can't imagine the Primaris Reivers of other form that basically a Build Up Eversor with that description

Spoiler:

**str00dles1**

EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Massed plasma seems like it'd do the trick.

For Hordes? No

Massed plasma is just a big armor save neg for a whooping 1 wound, or 2 if you overcharge but kill yourself in the process.

For Primaris to deal with Hordes currently the Intercessors (jump pack dudes) are good. Well good as they have the right weapon. 6 Heavy bolter shots each. The issue is for their points for are completely horrible. So im hoping come codex they get a discount like how the box set book prices them at or more. Box set they are like 160 ish. Index 225....

**Alpharius**

str00dles1 wrote:
EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Massed plasma seems like it'd do the trick.

For Hordes? No

Massed plasma is just a big armor save neg for a whooping 1 wound, or 2 if you overcharge but kill yourself in the process.

For Primaris to deal with Hordes currently the Intercessors (jump pack dudes) are good. Well good as they have the right weapon. 6 Heavy bolter shots each. The issue is for their points for are completely horrible. So im hoping come codex they get a discount like how the box set book prices them at or more. Box set they are like 160 ish. Index 225....

Exactly!

Primaris forces are going to be small in number - Hordes are going to present a challenge to them!

**Crimson**

Inceptors would be good against hordes were they not so absurdly overcosted. Aggressors with their rumoured flamers and (frag) missiles might be good too.

**Alpharius**

Past Edition Template Based Weapons just don't seem to be as good against Hordes as they used to be though.

Maybe Aggressors will eventually be the 'answer' though, as you note!

**Desubot**

Crimson wrote:
Inceptors would be good against hordes were they not so absurdly overcosted. Aggressors with their rumoured flamers and (frag) missiles might be good too.

Im thinking inceptors will be good enough.

it is 6 heavy bolters in the form of a shorter range assault weapon that can deep strike and move fast.

**NinthMusketeer**

Obviously Primaris counter hordes by punching them to death in melee. They will be joined by Primareus Calgar who gives them +1 attack in melee, but only with the default melee weapon profile.

**Alpharius**

Desubot wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Inceptors would be good against hordes were they not so absurdly overcosted. Aggressors with their rumoured flamers and (frag) missiles might be good too.

Im thinking inceptors will be good enough.

it is 6 heavy bolters in the form of a shorter range assault weapon that can deep strike and move fast.

Right - the problem being the points cost for that though - that's the fly in the ointment!

**Cephalobeard**

Alpharius wrote:
Desubot wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Inceptors would be good against hordes were they not so absurdly overcosted. Aggressors with their rumoured flamers and (frag) missiles might be good too.

Im thinking inceptors will be good enough.

it is 6 heavy bolters in the form of a shorter range assault weapon that can deep strike and move fast.

Right - the problem being the points cost for that though - that's the fly in the ointment!

If the Primaris codex drops them to the index cost in the Dark Imperium box (159 for 3) then they're suddenly very reasonable.

As it stands, I desperately WANT to make Primaris work, and am hoping the Reivers, Aggressors and their Apothecary/Dread make them worth it.

**Alpharius**

Cephalobeard wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Desubot wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Inceptors would be good against hordes were they not so absurdly overcosted. Aggressors with their rumoured flamers and (frag) missiles might be good too.

Im thinking inceptors will be good enough.

it is 6 heavy bolters in the form of a shorter range assault weapon that can deep strike and move fast.

Right - the problem being the points cost for that though - that's the fly in the ointment!

If the Primaris codex drops them to the index cost in the Dark Imperium box (159 for 3) then they're suddenly very reasonable.

As it stands, I desperately WANT to make Primaris work, and am hoping the Reivers, Aggressors and their Apothecary/Dread make them worth it.

We're hoping for the same thing!

As the 'flagship' models for 8E, I have to think GW won't mess them up too horribly...

**AduroT**

I can't even overcome Sisters at the moment. Just not enough volume of fire to compare with theirs.

**mace_ace**

Alpharius wrote:

Crimson wrote:
BTW, the info that existing marines can be upgraded into primaris comes directly from Pete Foley (second Live Q&A), he says it pretty clearly when he explains the primaris process, so I'd assume that this is indeed the case. Especially as no one seems to be able to name these BL authors who are supposed contradict him or produce any actual quotes.

I actually do know one of the authors' names, but not sure if I'm 'supposed' to know, or say, so...

...I guess we'll see?

What a very Alpharius-like answer of you ;-)

**infinite_array**

I'd also like to see a Primaris Librarian as well. And more vehicles. If they're getting a grav-tank, then I can see grav-bikes being a possible option.

**Anpu42**

Hear are my thoughts on them from my Space Wolf 1st Impression Thread

Inceptor Squad
UNIT COMPOSITION: 3 Models
WARGEAR: Two Assault-Bolters (18” Assault 3, S5, AP-1, Damage 1)

Options:
None

Special Abilities:
>ATSKNF
>Crushing Charge: 1 in 6 chance on a charge of inflicting a Mortal Wound.
>Meteoric Descent: Deep Strike

Overview/How I would use them:
They are Mobile (10” Move), reasonably tough (3+ Save, T5 and 2 Wounds) and have a good amount of Firepower (Full Squad can make 18 Heavy Bolter Shots).
They look to be set up to Deep Strike in and let loose with a barrage of Heavy Bolter shots at a target (Remember that on the Deep Strike they will still be hitting on a 3+) and then Assault a unit with a 50/50 of inflicting a Mortal Wound.
This is not how I would use them, I think of them as more of a Mid-Ranged Shooting Unit.
Deep Strike in, yes at about 13”-16” Inches away (out of Rapid Fire Range for most Units) and stay there if possible. Use them as a harassing force. When you find yourself a unit that looks like you can take down quickly, Advance and then Charge.
Stick a Wolf Priest and/or Wolf Guard Battle Leader with a Jump Pack near them for the Re-Rolls.
With their range and quick movement they may also make a good Counter Charge/Backfield unit.

**Desubot**

Anpu42 wrote:
Hear are my thoughts on them from my Space Wolf 1st Impression Thread

Inceptor Squad
UNIT COMPOSITION: 3 Models
WARGEAR: Two Assault-Bolters (18” Assault 3, S5, AP-1, Damage 1)

Options:
None

Special Abilities:
>ATSKNF
>Crushing Charge: 1 in 6 chance on a charge of inflicting a Mortal Wound.
>Meteoric Descent: Deep Strike

Overview/How I would use them:
They are Mobile (10” Move), reasonably tough (3+ Save, T5 and 2 Wounds) and have a good amount of Firepower (Full Squad can make 18 Heavy Bolter Shots).
They look to be set up to Deep Strike in and let loose with a barrage of Heavy Bolter shots at a target (Remember that on the Deep Strike they will still be hitting on a 3+) and then Assault a unit with a 50/50 of inflicting a Mortal Wound.
This is not how I would use them, I think of them as more of a Mid-Ranged Shooting Unit.
Deep Strike in, yes at about 13”-16” Inches away (out of Rapid Fire Range for most Units) and stay there if possible. Use them as a harassing force. When you find yourself a unit that looks like you can take down quickly, Advance and then Charge.
Stick a Wolf Priest and/or Wolf Guard Battle Leader with a Jump Pack near them for the Re-Rolls.
With their range and quick movement they may also make a good Counter Charge/Backfield unit.

i agree at 18" range guns you should be kiteing. you should be able to out run anything that isnt a vehicle or some flavor of fast attack squad.

**Anpu42**

Desubot wrote:
Anpu42 wrote:
Hear are my thoughts on them from my Space Wolf 1st Impression Thread

Inceptor Squad
UNIT COMPOSITION: 3 Models
WARGEAR: Two Assault-Bolters (18” Assault 3, S5, AP-1, Damage 1)

Options:
None

Special Abilities:
>ATSKNF
>Crushing Charge: 1 in 6 chance on a charge of inflicting a Mortal Wound.
>Meteoric Descent: Deep Strike

Overview/How I would use them:
They are Mobile (10” Move), reasonably tough (3+ Save, T5 and 2 Wounds) and have a good amount of Firepower (Full Squad can make 18 Heavy Bolter Shots).
They look to be set up to Deep Strike in and let loose with a barrage of Heavy Bolter shots at a target (Remember that on the Deep Strike they will still be hitting on a 3+) and then Assault a unit with a 50/50 of inflicting a Mortal Wound.
This is not how I would use them, I think of them as more of a Mid-Ranged Shooting Unit.
Deep Strike in, yes at about 13”-16” Inches away (out of Rapid Fire Range for most Units) and stay there if possible. Use them as a harassing force. When you find yourself a unit that looks like you can take down quickly, Advance and then Charge.
Stick a Wolf Priest and/or Wolf Guard Battle Leader with a Jump Pack near them for the Re-Rolls.
With their range and quick movement they may also make a good Counter Charge/Backfield unit.

i agree at 18" range guns you should be kiteing. you should be able to out run anything that isnt a vehicle or some flavor of fast attack squad.

Yes, I think they would make a good alternate to the 4x Heavy Bolter Devastator Squads, Heavy Bolter Centurions or 5x Heavy Bolter Long Fangs.

**Hive City Dweller**

Just got my DI set today and boy are the models even prettier in person!!

One thing I'd like to settle is the question of the "Ancient" space marine from the box. Taken directly from the "mini Codex" that comes in the book:

"the battle standards of the space marines are beacons of inspiration. Handwoven by skilled artisans most are treasured relics many thousands of years old, and no true battle brother can look upon them without feeling a surge of pride in his breast. Conversely, the thought of losing such a precious artifact to the grasping claws of the foe is beyond the countenance. It is for this reason that only proven heroes are chosen for the rank of Ancient, and given the honor of carrying the banner into battle."

So Ancient is a reference to the age of the standard and the special rank of the banner bearer.

**cuda1179**

I'm actually hoping the Dreadnought will be decent at anti-horde duty. It looks like it has a super-assault cannon, a rotor cannon, and two storm bolters. That's more than enough for some serious horde shredding.

**spiralingcadaver**

Hive City Dweller wrote:
So Ancient is a reference to the age of the standard and the special rank of the banner bearer.

As discussed elsewhere, it's a corruption of ensign, and has nothing to do with age.

**Hive City Dweller**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Hive City Dweller wrote:
So Ancient is a reference to the age of the standard and the special rank of the banner bearer.
As discussed elsewhere, it's a corruption of ensign, and has nothing to do with age.

That's what I'm saying friend.

**Alpharius**

This has been pretty much asked, answered and settled for a while now, but thanks for posting that quote so we can hopefully move on!