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That new landspeeder variant looks very much like a kitbash/home brew vehicle to me, rather than a genuine forge world product. I don't think the paintjob is helping to convince me otherwise. My 12 year old self (and innner Ork mek) would be proud of gluing that many oversized guns and missiles to a kit to the point that it becomes genuinely unstable on it's flight stand Especially given the risk of fatal injury to the crew from normal use of the guns!

The hunter killer tac'd on the side looks terrible, and the havoc missile launcher looks far better as the nose gun.

I'll get a squadron of these. Might try to pick up one of the mark VI ones from Warhammer world as part of it. Hopefully these come with all the weapon options so you can upgun the ltd ed one.

Still hoping they do a remake of the 2nd generation ones, that style is by far the best.

Furibundus got re-used as the name of a star in the fluff.

20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.

I can see what they were doing with that Land Speeder, and they've emulated the old design fairly well.

Not to say that the original wasn't dumb. If you're into dumb though then there's your nostalgia accounted for, like the rest of that Forgeworld line.

The overall arrangement of the Hellcat Cruisers from the Jak & Daxter series seem a bit more practical to me. Though still suffer from the "I just got shot in the face because I'm exposed to elements" look. At least the air intakes aren't right behind the crew either (and I'm going to stop myself from point out every stupid detail with Games Workshop models, as finding something that isn't ridiculous is more of a challenge...).

 Davespil wrote:
20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.

I rather like the 3rd edition speeder especially the scout transport variant. I feel that it matched the modern (for that time with the "new" rhino and land raider) marine aesthetic. I'm fond to a lesser extent of the 2nd edition one out of nostalgia (it's still my only land speeder in my 2nd/3rd edition 7,000pt old points scale marine army) but not because of the actual design as I find it a bit cartoony/chibi. The original RT one that this FW variant emulates I find to be both impractical (even by 40k standards) and ugly. YMMV.

Yeah it's definitely neat as a nostalgia piece for sure. Assuming rules are top notch, I would even be tempted to pick them up for my Deathwatch.

All the Speeder designs have been silly, except the fully armored one from FW, Tornado I think?

I always thought they should have a dismount rule allowing the crew to get off and pursue objectives or bail out after a crash, at least then the open top might make sense.


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Ah here we are, the Tempest.

 Davespil wrote:
20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder?

Weaponised religion says otherwise!

Yeah, the darkshroud/vengeance is good looking, but is ruined by that ludicrous looking nose pulpit.

Tempest is hard to not to like.

As a Dark Angels player, I like the idea of a "heavy" landspeeder, and I like the rules for the ones we have. The nose gunner really ruins the concept though. I have plans to convert a Land Speeder Storm into one, using the transport space to have a generator of some kind with weapon pods hanging out the sides like a giant Landspeeder Typhoon.

 Snrub wrote:
Yeah, the darkshroud/vengeance is good looking, but is ruined by that ludicrous looking nose pulpit.

Yeah, it's the weirdly off-centre front gun that makes zero sense. If it were a single driver (with nose gun) and the double-plasma up the back, it'd be great.

 Davespil wrote:
20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.

Um that's basically nostalgy piece from 20 year old model. If you would change it's look it would miss the point which is do the same design but with modern technology. You make it closed topped etc and it changes look completely different...

If you want to blame that design blame the original designer. This one is simply faithful reproduction of the old model to sell on nostalgy value.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

cuda1179 wrote:As a Dark Angels player, I like the idea of a "heavy" landspeeder, and I like the rules for the ones we have.

Agreed, a heavy land speeder is exactly the sort of thing the Ravenwing would have. You have the up-gunned tornadoes and typhoons for dedicated anti-infantry/light vehicle roles, then what is almost the weapon-equal equivalent of a floating leman russ executioner for busting open fortifications and heavy armour. It makes a whole lot of sense lore wise. I don't know how well the function on the tabletop, but I will probably get at least one for some plasmary fun.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah, it's the weirdly off-centre front gun that makes zero sense. If it were a single driver (with nose gun) and the double-plasma up the back, it'd be great.

I've seen one converted with the front of a regular land speeder in place of the nose pulpit front, with the heavy bolter mounted to the side. It looks much better. Although i'd be tempted just to mount the heavy bolter/assault cannon under the chin like the tornadoes have.

It's a floating jeep (or a Jackal / Coyote for a more modern equivalent). Open-topped for lightness and because the crew's power armour is just as good as anything the vehicle could mount, I suppose. The heavy weapon fires over the crew's head (their heads don't protrude over the top of the seat) and I would think that the turret mount is designed so it can't accidentally hit the vehicle itself (even if Henry Jones Sr is in control of it!).


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But fundamentally, it looks like it does because it was designed in 1989, and presumably there were constraints over how large a model it could be (the original is legendarily fiddly to build because none of the bits fit together very well because of distortions in the casting process).

I agree that the “modern” speeders are significantly better looking than the older versions. I had a playing gap of around 12-13 years, and I can honestly say that compared to the new models, the old ones don’t appeal to me in the slightest – not even from a nostalgia pov.

One Speeder I do like though, that hasn’t been mentioned, is the FW Javelin. To me, it’s a lot sleeker than the current GW ones, and, imo, a fast moving hover vehicle should be sleek (but I guess that kinda goes against the whole Marine vehicle aesthetic). The only problem sometimes though, is the Javelin is a fair bit bigger than a normal speeder (I think) so you can’t always just do a “straight swap”.

Yeah it's not for all.

Something to keep in mind though is that due to how resin works the upfront cost is smaller than say plastic so they can do odd models like these even if they don't expect to sell a tons of them and still make profit. One benefit when you aren't dealing with plastic(same reason as why in '90's you could have random releases not related to any codex around same time and for various races. Marine chaplain one month, ork weirdboy next, new pose commisar for IG next...These days that many variants of same models would be impossible due to plastic).

So this is basically small cost, small risk model to play on nostalgy(which btw lots of HH models are already...)

Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes

Well, Malevolence for HH was supposed to be late this year. But the black books basically never come out on time, so it won't be a surprise if it's delayed until the HH weekender next year.

I think the Talons of the Emperor index was the other imminent book? Seems like mum's the word on that one, although I guess the nature of it means it'd just be a book release with no accompanying miniatures. So that's something that could just be announced on some random Friday without many hints or previews.

Fires of Cyraxus is dead, right? Are there any other books that were rumored to be on the way?

 gorgon wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes

Well, Malevolence for HH was supposed to be late this year. But the black books basically never come out on time, so it won't be a surprise if it's delayed until the HH weekender next year.

I think the Talons of the Emperor index was the other imminent book? Seems like mum's the word on that one, although I guess the nature of it means it'd just be a book release with no accompanying miniatures. So that's something that could just be announced on some random Friday without many hints or previews.

Fires of Cyraxus is dead, right? Are there any other books that were rumored to be on the way?

I didn't think it was officially dead? Just delayed till after the couple of books you mentioned.

It’s delayed indefinitely. It was set pre-Dark Imperium and it sounded like they wanted to update it to current events (I have no idea why). Then there’s the fact the all the rules and whatnot they had done was for 7th. And then the original author/project lead got promoted and doesn’t seem to have time/interest in getting it finished.

I think Admech players would have better luck begging for limited datasheets like some of the 30k Custodes stuff has, but it’s no looking great either way. I feel for them.

FW finally paints a model well and it's possibly the fugliest vehicle kit they have ever tossed out.

BTW odd that the gunner has a gold hand on the joystick. Looks like he has the grim-dark version of a Nintendo power glove on

I always liked the original speeder. If you are already armoured like a tank, why bother putting further weight on the machine by adding further armour to the cockpit. Given the capabilities of power armour you don't even really need seats. Just a docking clamp to attach to the armour somewhere and the suit can just lock into a suitably shaped seatingposition

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/12/evil-heroes-from-the-pelennor-fields/

Are these two new?

New in the sense that are now open to general purchase, but they have been shown months ago.

Preview of the Sumpkroc for Necromunda:



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/15/forge-world-preview-the-sumpkroc/

Oh... my. That paint job...

Yikes thats a poor paint job!

So.. more than 6 months to paint it.. and still coming soon...

Please, FW hires more people.

That paint job is not selling it. Wanna see bare resin to judge it properly.