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nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.

Yes somehow Setra did it anyway, because he is just that much of a chad

 Sarouan wrote:
Yep, that's what I thought - new tomb kings are coming.

They're just redesigning everything so that they look less like dead egyptians

So it's the new Tomb Kings, but they don't have the egyptian theme, presumably have no lore connection to the Old World Tomb Kings, and their only connection is being an army of skeletons? Weird take, but ok.

Cronch wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
Yep, that's what I thought - new tomb kings are coming.

They're just redesigning everything so that they look less like dead egyptians

So it's the new Tomb Kings, but they don't have the egyptian theme, presumably have no lore connection to the Old World Tomb Kings, and their only connection is being an army of skeletons? Weird take, but ok.

Bone catapults? OH LAWD, THEY COMIN BACK!

I hope it's not a horde army. Undead always go horde. I liked the Morghast/ Nagash ultra elite combo of relatively few but very strong models on the table.

Art in the video was promising. I wouldn't be opposed to a warband made of 'em, especially if all I would need is a box or two of infantry types.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Hm, can we have a full necromantic horror army? Zombie troops with ‘special’ zombies for everything else? Not just zombie dragons and zombie giants but also winged zombies made by stitching giant bat wings to humanoid corpses, zombie giant scorpions with people-feet, you know the drill. Oh and Frankenstein’s Creature elite zombies. Basically rip off every hammer horror film about mad scientists messing with corpses.
Old World necromancers were supposed to be heavy into that, but we never really saw it on the tabletop.
Also, just for kicks, make them an Order army, totally opposed to Nagash in the same way and for the same reasons the Katophranes were.

Not sure about the Order bit But there was a Zombie "Queen" mentioned in the Soul Wars novel with her own force alongside the Nighthaunt.
*flicks pages*
Yep Arul, the "Lady of all flesh". Not a Mortarch, but she is a sentient undead.

She's also one of the now-many fluff instances we have of a Necromancer-on-zombie-palanquin. I wouldn't be surprised to see Death rounded off with a zombie army, even with these new guys it is a small Grand Alliance.

Crelis Arul https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crelis_Arul

Always interested in new Death stuff - there are also some Skeletal Death lords in the lore such as

Yaros of Dmezny, the Hero of Orthad, Grand Prince and Lord Rattlebone
https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Yaros

Tamra ven-Drak
https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tamra_ven-Drak

Apart from the cavalry at the beginning of the video, these lads look like animated suits of armor rather than skeletons.

Dread Master wrote:
Apart from the cavalry at the beginning of the video, these lads look like animated suits of armor rather than skeletons.

Speaking of the Cavalry, they look like they have the wings of the Winged Hussars, but with ribs and a spine.
The armor is reminding me of Samurai and Eastern style armors. If they have mounted archers, I'm betting that would have made someone think Mongol skeleton archers.

I like the aesthetic overall, and hope it's an interesting faction in the lore.

They do seem to have alot of the Tomb Kings units.....

 Lockark wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.

Yes somehow Setra did it anyway, because he is just that much of a chad

No he didn't Nagash tore him apart then Chaos put him back together then AOS happened and he somehow went from Chaos imbued to maybe Sigmar imbued.


If he is a stormcast now he obeys Sigmar so he's still serving.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Settra is a Stormcast now, mentioned in the Hamilcar novel.

Nothing about this screams Tomb Kings to me. Genuinely confused why so many people are getting that impression.

If they squatted Tomb Kings just to release a ascetically similar skeleton army a few years latter, its a real slap in the face of TK fans from 8th and earlier.

MegaDombro wrote:
If they squatted Tomb Kings just to release a ascetically similar skeleton army a few years latter, its a real slap in the face of TK fans from 8th and earlier.

I don't think that was GW's plan at all - at least not fully. Don't forget AoS at launch was nothing like the game we have now and not just the management focus has changed, but the management team and CEO.

AoS at launch was very much a full embodiment of the mantra "models first" to the extent that GW didn't really have much lore nor any rules and no points at launch. AoS at launch was focusing on being a boutique line of fantasy models which people would buy because they were cool and not really any other reason. I suspect the Grand Alliance system was made as a casual rules system so that players woudl collect a "Grand Alliance army" rather than a faction army. This coupled to GW fragmenting most armies into a handful of models per "Faction". That way GW could add a whole new faction with 4 or so new kits and also retire whole factions very easily. And because you'd be using Grand Alliance armies, it wouldn't matter. Plus with no "rules" in a formal sense there was no army holding you onto those former models.

Under such a culture removing two of the least selling armies (TK and Brets) made sense; and I susepct we'd have seen more armies dropped fairly quickly; replaced with a continual stream of small sub-faction style releases. Of course Stormcast and a few "pet" factions (ergo those that sell well) might well hang around getting more and more models.



It was a totally different attitude toward the game and franchise and it backfired heavily on GW at the time. To the extent that they've clearly shifted gear dramatically. I suspect that what we are seeing now are new designs, perhaps tweaked from updated models for the TK line or totally fresh made because GW wanted to add an undead skeleton force and honour the old TK line, but also now free from the old lore and system and thus giving the design team freedom to experiment with some new creative directions.

So we might well see a lot of echos of the past - skeleton catapults; perhaps chariots etc.. - but they will have a new lore, aesthetic and overall feel. Who knows they might even bring some of the old kits back; the new force still has an Asian feel to it.

Also lets not forget we've only a very short video, we don't know the release nor the full plan yet - we might ifnd out at the Nova, if not then it shouldn't be many more months.

Cronch wrote:


So it's the new Tomb Kings, but they don't have the egyptian theme, presumably have no lore connection to the Old World Tomb Kings, and their only connection is being an army of skeletons? Weird take, but ok.

Tomb Kings are more than just the egyptian theme. They had an army with specific core concepts behind. And its core was built on skeletons, with mummies as their leaders/elite warriors. Pretty much what the video is hinting, to me.

But hey, just watch and see, we won't have to wait too much for the next previews apparently.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Nothing about this screams Tomb Kings to me. Genuinely confused why so many people are getting that impression.

They're just the new redesigned Tomb Kings, with another name. Skeletons were always the core of this army, with mummified nobles at the top. I bet the heavy armored guys next to the Mortarch in the video are the new versions of these mummies. Just wait for the next previews and the designers interview. I bet you'll have "Tomb Kings" in their list of inspiration. I mean, look at the Mortarch. He's very close to an armored pharaon enclosed in metal instead of silk bandages.

People keep saying samurai this or that like, while their armors and blades look nothing like samurai. Plus, samurai don't wear shields. They're more similar to the Morghast armors. Wouldn't be surprised if Morghast are part of this new faction.

Also the skeleton mounts have different heads, if you look closely to the picture in the video (one has some kind of horned beast skull and another has something that look very close to a bird skull with a long beak). Maybe they are constructs.. Catapults are very huge in the video, by the way...

nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.

And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.


As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.


Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.

 Sarouan wrote:

Cronch wrote:


So it's the new Tomb Kings, but they don't have the egyptian theme, presumably have no lore connection to the Old World Tomb Kings, and their only connection is being an army of skeletons? Weird take, but ok.

Tomb Kings are more than just the egyptian theme. They had an army with specific core concepts behind. And its core was built on skeletons, with mummies as their leaders/elite warriors. Pretty much what the video is hinting, to me.

They aren't really. They were the general undead units with different unit names: grave guard->tomb guard, various cav and chariot models that had been in the Undead army list since at least third edition.
They divested the Undead of mummies and stuck them here (and as far as GW of the 90s was concerned, mummies=Egypt). The Ushabti wandered specifically out of the Mummy 2, and I'm not sure how anyone would argue that the sphinxes are supposed to be anything but Egyptian.

The art influences in the video are all over the place, with some Wacky Fantasy elements on the armor and shields, rather than anything particularly cultural (and that seems intentional to me, both for the 'IP thing', and going for a fantasy design that feels familiar, though I can't quite place it. Getting 80's vibes off it though).
The only things that really stand out are the undead mounts (one with a rhino head and the other with bird head), and the absolutely frikkin huge catapults, which aren't as big as the regiments in front, but dwarf the regiments alongside them (and are chucking energy rather than skulls)

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Nothing about this screams Tomb Kings to me. Genuinely confused why so many people are getting that impression.

I'm with you. They look like guys in full fantasy plate with wacko shields and overlapping metal plate helmets shaped vaguely like skulls. Nothing Egyptian. If anything I see samurai just because of the shape of their helmets.
That Mortarch straight up looks like a robot who stole a helmet from the bloodwarriors' Carnival float dance crew.

Eumerin wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.

And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.

As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.

Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.

And yet you are forgetting a few things here: by the time Age of Sigmar rolls around, Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred have been picked apart and rebuilt by Nagash often enough that they recall nothing from the Old World. With Settra, it would not be different. Especially given that, despite all the memes, Settra was never all that powerful to begin with. After all, he already struggled dealing with Arkhan without the latter being supported by Nagash.

As for Settra becoming a Stormcast, what makes you think Sigmar gave Settra('s soul) a choice in the matter to begin with? Sigmar himself is hardly a goody two-shoes, so using the old Tomb King's soul and giving it a Stormcast body is something he would do. Let alone when we take into account how easily Stormcast lose the memories of their former life during the forging process.

Edit: on a side note, I can't wait for the new skeleton stuff. They seem to have taken much of the aesthetic from the Morghasts.

It is so incredibly boring that all these characters from the Old World are still around. You blew up the Old World, at least give us something new.

It is so weaksauce.

Settra is not weaksauce!
Settra is sauce!

 Cruxeh wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.

And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.

As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.

Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.

And yet you are forgetting a few things here: by the time Age of Sigmar rolls around, Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred have been picked apart and rebuilt by Nagash often enough that they recall nothing from the Old World. With Settra, it would not be different. Especially given that, despite all the memes, Settra was never all that powerful to begin with. After all, he already struggled dealing with Arkhan without the latter being supported by Nagash.

As for Settra becoming a Stormcast, what makes you think Sigmar gave Settra('s soul) a choice in the matter to begin with? Sigmar himself is hardly a goody two-shoes, so using the old Tomb King's soul and giving it a Stormcast body is something he would do. Let alone when we take into account how easily Stormcast lose the memories of their former life during the forging process.

Edit: on a side note, I can't wait for the new skeleton stuff. They seem to have taken much of the aesthetic from the Morghasts.

Except Neferata and Mannfred do recall the old world.. Arkhan however is the one that is explicitly noted to remember nothing and it confuses some that do remember the old world, and it seems to be that Arkhan had to be reconstructed somehow. Or Nagash had to do something to bring forth a copy of him, because everyone else notes how odd Arkhan's inability to recall is.

 Carnikang wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Apart from the cavalry at the beginning of the video, these lads look like animated suits of armor rather than skeletons.

Speaking of the Cavalry, they look like they have the wings of the Winged Hussars, but with ribs and a spine.
The armor is reminding me of Samurai and Eastern style armors. If they have mounted archers, I'm betting that would have made someone think Mongol skeleton archers.

I like the aesthetic overall, and hope it's an interesting faction in the lore.

Nah, those are back banners:



Like the ones one could see in the last samurai.

If they're not Tomb Kings then my next guess would be "Necrons adapted for AoS". Which is an even funnier idea.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
If they're not Tomb Kings then my next guess would be "Necrons adapted for AoS". Which is an even funnier idea.

Necrons since their 5th ed update are often referred to as Tomb Kings in Space, so that’s basically the same thing.

 Cruxeh wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.

And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.

As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.

Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.

And yet you are forgetting a few things here: by the time Age of Sigmar rolls around, Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred have been picked apart and rebuilt by Nagash often enough that they recall nothing from the Old World. With Settra, it would not be different. Especially given that, despite all the memes, Settra was never all that powerful to begin with. After all, he already struggled dealing with Arkhan without the latter being supported by Nagash.

As for Settra becoming a Stormcast, what makes you think Sigmar gave Settra('s soul) a choice in the matter to begin with? Sigmar himself is hardly a goody two-shoes, so using the old Tomb King's soul and giving it a Stormcast body is something he would do. Let alone when we take into account how easily Stormcast lose the memories of their former life during the forging process.

Edit: on a side note, I can't wait for the new skeleton stuff. They seem to have taken much of the aesthetic from the Morghasts.

Gelt has only the barest fragments of memories from the Old World, I suspect for Settra is the same.

Having read the book I am inclined to believe GE meant for it to be there. That snippet in context of the larger conversion seemed almost forced, as if the author was told to stick it in somewhere.

Role on NOVA, and the reveal.

 Da Boss wrote:
It is so incredibly boring that all these characters from the Old World are still around. You blew up the Old World, at least give us something new.

It is so weaksauce.

There are loads of new characters, they just have 5 years AT BEST of history and its a history that's been somewhat bumpy and taken time to settle down. Esp since a lot of the early books were very much battle books with less lore and world building. The Old World lot have, what 30 years of history some of them.

Also most of the gods and biggest movers in the Mortal Realms are Old World gods/demigods/aelves who got it lucky. In fact the entire collection of gods are from the Old World. The Realms have not yet thrust up their own God anywhere for any of the races.



As for Settra at present we've a few sentences relating to him as a Stormcast. From what we've seen you don't choose to become Stormcast, Sigmar chooses you and rips your soul from your body at the moment of death. Whistling you away to his forges where he performs a series of forging process (he calls if forging but it could be far more horrific, the forging could just be god-level-marketing) to beat the soul into a new shape. Note how all the Stormcast loath chaos with an almost manic level of fever, Sigmar clearly enhances some areas of his stormcast and diminishes others an the result is lost memories. Not to mention once they are created and thrust into new bodies, they then spent the best part of 500 years or so doing nothing but training endlessly for war; including training in the Arena which let them take deathblows without dying. In the real world each time they are reforged more of themselves is cut away and lost and alll the more they are left the chaos hating warrior.

Settra may not bow, but Settra reforged into Stormcast is not the same Settra. Personally I think we might get one of our best displays of what it does to people IF Gotrek ever finds Felix as a Stormcast. So far I don't think any of the stories have really gone to an old world character of fame and really pulled them apart as a stormcast; we've had hints, we've had camo appearances but nothing really to fully go right up front and challenge the stormcast about their history and past.

Fun with pictures :



Original Morghast example :

Undead high fantasy samurai legion sounds cool.
The armour looks related to the morghasts, and I also get a slight feel of warmahordes Immortals in the mortarch (and thats great).
Fun to see big warmachines rather than monsters.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Cruxeh wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
Hard to resist serving when the God of death tell you to do something and you're animated by the same death magic since he ate your gods.

And yet, when confronted with the choice of either serving Nagash, or being reduced to a skull (and nothing else) and left alone in the deserts of Khemri, Settra chose the latter.

Settra REALLY hates Nagash, and will NEVER voluntarily serve him. Nagash might animate his body like a puppeteer animates a puppet. But then it wouldn't really be Settra.

As for the Sigmarine appearance - I've heard about that, and I've seen the bit of text where someone has posted it online. But I'm inclined to not take it too seriously. Yes, the author probably intended that his character would be understood to be Settra. The question is how seriously GW took the reference (assuming they noticed it), and whether GW intends to let the reference stick. Settra could conceivably turn up in seven years (note - I've no particular reason to think that he will), with a background that makes it clear that he was never a Stormcast, and I doubt many here would bat an eye over the new official lore. Further, IMO, it's out of character for Settra to willingly serve ANYONE. When the Chaos Gods gave Settra the opportunity to kill Nagash (who Settra hates more than any other creature in all of existence) in exchange for service, he essentially told the Chaos Gods to go take a long walk off a short pier. And then he saved Nagash's life just to give the proverbial finger to the Chaos Gods. Settra would probably be quite happy to ally with Sigmar against Nagash. But...

SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! SETTRA RULES!

The one thing that Settra hates more than Nagash is the idea of serving another being.

Everything that we know about Stormcast indicates that when you become one, you agree to serve Sigmar. Thus, I have a serious problem with the idea of Settra as a Stormcast.

And yet you are forgetting a few things here: by the time Age of Sigmar rolls around, Arkhan, Neferata and Mannfred have been picked apart and rebuilt by Nagash often enough that they recall nothing from the Old World. With Settra, it would not be different. Especially given that, despite all the memes, Settra was never all that powerful to begin with. After all, he already struggled dealing with Arkhan without the latter being supported by Nagash.

As for Settra becoming a Stormcast, what makes you think Sigmar gave Settra('s soul) a choice in the matter to begin with? Sigmar himself is hardly a goody two-shoes, so using the old Tomb King's soul and giving it a Stormcast body is something he would do. Let alone when we take into account how easily Stormcast lose the memories of their former life during the forging process.

Edit: on a side note, I can't wait for the new skeleton stuff. They seem to have taken much of the aesthetic from the Morghasts.

Except Neferata and Mannfred do recall the old world.. Arkhan however is the one that is explicitly noted to remember nothing and it confuses some that do remember the old world, and it seems to be that Arkhan had to be reconstructed somehow. Or Nagash had to do something to bring forth a copy of him, because everyone else notes how odd Arkhan's inability to recall is.

Your both right - Neferata and Mannfred recall some of the Old World and often vaguely and its not clear if they are the actual people or just Nagash's memories/impression of the them

Mannfred in particular really finds the Old World memories painful (as he was such a dick) whereas Neferata has the whole "glory days" vibe

Settra - if remade by either Sigmar or Nagash will likely be the same - both meddle with their followers souls...........