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**Stormonu**

BrookM wrote:
Boss Salvage wrote:
AndrewGPaul wrote:
Are they points costs, or XP costs?
Here's the text:

Here's to not playing "normal" matched play games! Whatever those are!

- Salvage
Indeed!

This actually makes special scenarios even easier to set up, just give players a reduced point amount to build a single operative with for say, a Halloween event and away we go.

Hmmm, it’s nice they have those points there, but I wonder how much play testing went into it? If the advancements for Kill teams is similar to how it was done in 7E KT, or worse, Shadow War - you could definitely end up with progressions that make this look more like Power Level calculations that true points per advancement.

**Cephalobeard**

Hoping I can make a few melee Guardsmen, with power swords, and a medic. That will remain my hope until I'm shown otherwise.

**Dreyf**

If you haven't see it yet: there is an official site now.
And you can find the units for all the factions (including Death Guard, Grey Knights and Thousand Sons) on it.

https://warhammer40000.com/kill-team/#killzone-factions

And new videos (on killzones and kill teams and how to play), I think.

**Insane Ivan**

Dreyf wrote:
If you haven't see it yet: there is an official site now.
And you can find the units for all the factions (including Death Guard, Grey Knights and Thousand Sons) on it.

https://warhammer40000.com/kill-team/#killzone-factions

And new videos (on killzones and kill teams and how to play), I think.

I also see two new starter sets (Astra Militarum and Tyranids), as well as a new Killzone (Sector Munitorum) previewed on that site.

Focus

eath Guard is now up too: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/07/19/19th-july-kill-team-focus-death-guardgw-homepage-post-1/

**Andarus**

If you go to https://warhammer40000.com/kill-team/#killteam-get-started there are some starter teams we havent seen yet, one for AM and one for Nids

**Galas**

So Grey Knights have basic power armoured grey knights as "grey knight", I suppose with all the special weapons.

**Nightlord1987**

Awesome Pox walker ability. This brings me up to... 7 Killteam projects. How appropriate.

**BrookM**

Oh damn, that Guard starter is really nice.

**vonjankmon**

So looks like the Sector Minitorum will be another Killzone to be released in the near future along with the IG and Nid starter sets. (The terrain their sets come with match up to the Sector Minitorum)

Also if you watch the short Killzone video they have up you can see what looks like a plague world killzone, with plague trees/terrain and a plague mat.

You can scroll through the Factions also to at least see what units each faction has, Grey Knights just get normal Grey Knights for instance and Thousand Sons get Tzaangors along with Rubric marines.

**Chairman Aeon**

Sector Munitorum... I see cheap terrain!

**Insane Ivan**

The Munitorum Killzone, Guard and Tyranid starters together give you 10 Armoured containers... That’s quite a lot.

The Tyranid starter is also useful for Genestealer players if they don’t have Purestrains yet, I note.

The site also has quick overview of the rules for the three known Killzones (Imperialis, Mechanicus and Munitorum). I’m guessing we’ll at least see Deathworld, Defence line, and Shipboard (from Rogue Trader) and Plague World (as vonjankmon mentioned) killzones later on. Perhaps Tau as well - after that they’ll need either new terrain or new combinations of terrain boxes...

Oh my wallet, it all looks great!

**warboss**

Boss Salvage wrote:
warboss wrote:
Sorry if this has been covered before but it's been a while since I paid attention to the Kill Team news. I saw a bunch of videos on youtube recently reviewing the game and was wondering if the points values for the various figs have been leaked. I looked through the various WH community previews and didn't see them listed there and wasn't sure if the values would be the same as in the codex books given that the utility of the various models and obviously the rules are different.
I've been able to gather or guess at some teams based on the French unboxing video:

Spoiler:

NECRONS
15 Deathmark
10 Flayed One
16 Immortal
12 Warrior

All options free

HARLIES
12 Player

0 Grenades?
2 Neuro Disruptor?
3 Fusion Pistol?
0 Shuriken Pistol?

4? Kiss
3? Caress
2? Embrace
0? Blade

CRAFTWORLDERS
10 Dire Avenger?
11 *Exarch?
7 Guardian?
8 *Gunner/Champ?
11 Ranger
6 Storm Guardian?
7 *Gunner/Champ?

0 Chainsword?
0 Aeldari Blade?
2 Diresword?
1 Power glaive?

2 Shuriken Cannon
3 Starcannon
0 Shuriken Catapult
0 Avenger Shuriken Catapult
3 Fusion Gun
4 Bright Lance
3 Flamer
5 Aeldari Missle Launcher
0 Ranger Long Rifle
0 Shuriken Pistol
0 Plasma Grenade
2 Scatter Laser

4 Mirror Shield

CSM
4 Cultist
4+ *Gunner
4+ *Champ
13 Chaos Space Marine
13 *Gunner
13+ *Champ

3 Mark of Khorne?
1 Mark of Tzeentch?
5? Mark of Nurgle?
3 Mark of Slaanesh?
1 Mark of Vengeance?
^ This might be the icon bearer only, in which case I'm not sure if other CSM share the mark or only the bearer gets it?

0 Bolter
5 Heavy Bolter
3? Meltagun?
5 Plasma gun
0 Shotgun?
0 Autogun?
0 Frag Grenade
0 Krak Grenade
1 Flamer
5 Stubber?
1 Plasma Pistol
0 Bolt Pistol
0 Autopistol?

0 Brutal Assault Weapons
1 Power Sword
0 Chainsword
4 Power Fist

DEATH GUARD
14 Plague Marine
15 *Gunner
15 *Fighter
15 *Champ
3 Poxwalker

0 Poxwalker ccw?
0 Plague Knife?
0 Plaguesword?
4 Flail of Corruption?
4 Power Fist?
4 Great Plague Cleaver?
2 Balesword?
3 Mace of Contagion?

0 Bolter
3 Meltagun
3? Plasma Gun
4 Plaguespewer?
0 Blight Grenades
0 Krak Grenade
3 Blight Launcher?
1 Plasma Pistol
0 Bolt Pistol
3 Plaguebelcher?

3 Icon of Despair

Space Marines

15 Intercessor
16 *Gunner
16 *Sergeant
16 Reiver
17 *Sergeant
10 Scout
11 *Gunner
11 *Sergeant
12 Tactical
13 *Gunner
13 *Sergeant

0 Shotgun
0 Auto bolt rifle
0 Bolt carbine
0 Bolt pistol
0 Bolt rifle
0 Boltgun
3 Combi-flamer
2 Combi-grav
3 Combi-melta
4 Combi-plasma
3 Flamer
0 Frag grenade
2 Grav-gun
1 Grav-pistol
0 Heavy bolt pistol
3 Heavy bolter
0 Krak grenade
3 Meltagun
5 Missile launcher
3 Plasma gun
1 Plasma pistol
0 Shock grenade
1 Sniper rifle
0 Stalker bolt rifle

0 Chainsword
0 Combat knife
4 Power fist
2 Power sword

1 Auspex
0 Auxillary grenade launcher
1 Camo cloak
1 Grapnel launcher
1 Grav-chute

^ SM from the Drive Through unboxing, which has very clear shots. All other numbers are as close as I could tell from blurry screen caps of folded pages and making some assumptions about consistent page layout when it comes to weapon names.

- Salvage

Thanks and exalted! It does look there are some changes there from a quick glance (specifically looking at the intercessors for vanilla marines) both in base cost as well as weapons. While I do recognize the improvements in 8th edition over Greedhammer $40,000 7th edition, 8th hasn't exactly lit the fires of excitement for me personally and I'm hoping that Kill Team might change that. Ever since the old days of movie marines (5th edition White Dwarf article?), I've wanted to play a combat squad of astartes in smaller format games that still made them feel like marines should. If your points values hold true and they've gone down a bit while staying at 2 wounds, I might actually get the chance to do so.

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Nightlord1987 wrote:
Awesome Pox walker ability. This brings me up to... 7 Killteam projects. How appropriate.

Completely new projects from scratch or tweaks to existing armies? I'm curious how folks here on dakka will handle Kill Team in the short term. I've got 5 fully painted (2500-3500pt in the old 5th-7th ed points scale) armies that have sat mostly unused for years that I might cull from to make some kill teams. I haven't built an army since the sea change in focus in 40k back in 6th (only one flier, no superheavies, all fit in the old FOC) that I don't have the motivation to update to modern all but apoc in name 40k. Pulling a dozen to two dozen figs from each and putting them all in a single foam case to make a half dozen kill teams might work for me personally. Hell, if I like it, I might actually pick up a box of intercessors to make a new combat squad. So far, I've only managed to paint up a small handful of primaris starter set figs that I liked in a custom chapter scheme (Winged Hussars).

**judgedoug**

vonjankmon wrote:
Also if you watch the short Killzone video they have up you can see what looks like a plague world killzone, with plague trees/terrain and a plague mat.

Where is this at?

**Kanluwen**

judgedoug wrote:
vonjankmon wrote:
Also if you watch the short Killzone video they have up you can see what looks like a plague world killzone, with plague trees/terrain and a plague mat.

Where is this at?

I'm guessing it's the "recruitment" video they released at the start--if that's the case, there's a bit with Necrons and the Deathworld Forest terrain.

Is it just me or does it look like there are Stygies VIII decals on the Skitarii?

**fresus**

Cephalobeard wrote:
Hoping I can make a few melee Guardsmen, with power swords, and a medic. That will remain my hope until I'm shown otherwise.

The scions are very limited: basic guys must take a hot shot lasgun (and also have grenades), a limited (couldn't see the limit on how many) number of guys can be gunners, and take special weapons, and the tempestor can take a pistol and a melee weapon. Just like in the codex, normal scions can't take melee weapons and pistols, despite the kit having 3 melee weapons and 3-4 pistols.
So I would be very surprised if normal guardsmen were allowed to take melee weapons.

So far basically every unit had the same restrictions as in 40K. Looks like kitbashing doesn't involve weapon swaps as far as GW is concerned.

**Mud Turkey 13**

They have said that a game can be finished in 30-40 minutes. Has there been any indication at what point total a game that long would consist of?

**xttz**

Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
They have said that a game can be finished in 30-40 minutes. Has there been any indication at what point total a game that long would consist of?

100pts. Although while KT has similar points values for units, most weapons & wargear options are cheaper.

**Chairman Aeon**

vonjankmon wrote:
You can scroll through the Factions also to at least see what units each faction has, Grey Knights just get normal Grey Knights for instance and Thousand Sons get Tzaangors along with Rubric marines.

Just Grey Knights is three different units though according to the box set. I like that the kits that can be either or can be both in Kill Team--half Fire Warriors, half Breachers.

Also, I think I'll use vehicles as (scatter) terrain. Put some smoke puffs on them and then just use as cover.

**Barzam**

So, just a random observation, but the Poxwalker shown on the faction page has two heads. Is that a conversion, or are we seeing an unrevealed new kit?

**Zarroc1733**

Chairman Aeon wrote:
vonjankmon wrote:
You can scroll through the Factions also to at least see what units each faction has, Grey Knights just get normal Grey Knights for instance and Thousand Sons get Tzaangors along with Rubric marines.

Just Grey Knights is three different units though according to the box set. I like that the kits that can be either or can be both in Kill Team--half Fire Warriors, half Breachers.

Also, I think I'll use vehicles as (scatter) terrain. Put some smoke puffs on them and then just use as cover.

Well with Grey Knights your standard box can build strike squads (basic mooks), purgators, purifiers, and interceptors. Purgators are just strike squads that carry 4 heavy weapons instead of 1. Interceptors are just strke squads but with a 12 inch movement, ignore terrain and a 1 per game teleport. Purifiers are strikes that have a 3 inch smite that always does d6 mortal wounds. So in kill team I doubt we get access to purifiers or interceptors, and in kill team there would be literally no difference between a strike and a purgator

**GuardStrider**

Zarroc1733 wrote:
Chairman Aeon wrote:
vonjankmon wrote:
You can scroll through the Factions also to at least see what units each faction has, Grey Knights just get normal Grey Knights for instance and Thousand Sons get Tzaangors along with Rubric marines.

Just Grey Knights is three different units though according to the box set. I like that the kits that can be either or can be both in Kill Team--half Fire Warriors, half Breachers.

Also, I think I'll use vehicles as (scatter) terrain. Put some smoke puffs on them and then just use as cover.

Well with Grey Knights your standard box can build strike squads (basic mooks), purgators, purifiers, and interceptors. Purgators are just strike squads that carry 4 heavy weapons instead of 1. Interceptors are just strke squads but with a 12 inch movement, ignore terrain and a 1 per game teleport. Purifiers are strikes that have a 3 inch smite that always does d6 mortal wounds. So in kill team I doubt we get access to purifiers or interceptors, and in kill team there would be literally no difference between a strike and a purgator

Indeed, if anything the only other unit that would make sense would be the Terminators, which sadly GK won't get access too since they are the most iconic GK unit and would fit on the game theme. But then I guess if they were available the KT would be like 2 dudes.

**Cephalobeard**

fresus wrote:
Cephalobeard wrote:
Hoping I can make a few melee Guardsmen, with power swords, and a medic. That will remain my hope until I'm shown otherwise.

The scions are very limited: basic guys must take a hot shot lasgun (and also have grenades), a limited (couldn't see the limit on how many) number of guys can be gunners, and take special weapons, and the tempestor can take a pistol and a melee weapon. Just like in the codex, normal scions can't take melee weapons and pistols, despite the kit having 3 melee weapons and 3-4 pistols.
So I would be very surprised if normal guardsmen were allowed to take melee weapons.

So far basically every unit had the same restrictions as in 40K. Looks like kitbashing doesn't involve weapon swaps as far as GW is concerned.

I didn't much intend to use Scions, so hopefully guardsmen have a bit more variety.

**Zarroc1733**

GuardStrider wrote:
Zarroc1733 wrote:
Chairman Aeon wrote:
vonjankmon wrote:
You can scroll through the Factions also to at least see what units each faction has, Grey Knights just get normal Grey Knights for instance and Thousand Sons get Tzaangors along with Rubric marines.

Just Grey Knights is three different units though according to the box set. I like that the kits that can be either or can be both in Kill Team--half Fire Warriors, half Breachers.

Also, I think I'll use vehicles as (scatter) terrain. Put some smoke puffs on them and then just use as cover.

Well with Grey Knights your standard box can build strike squads (basic mooks), purgators, purifiers, and interceptors. Purgators are just strike squads that carry 4 heavy weapons instead of 1. Interceptors are just strke squads but with a 12 inch movement, ignore terrain and a 1 per game teleport. Purifiers are strikes that have a 3 inch smite that always does d6 mortal wounds. So in kill team I doubt we get access to purifiers or interceptors, and in kill team there would be literally no difference between a strike and a purgator

Indeed, if anything the only other unit that would make sense would be the Terminators, which sadly GK won't get access too since they are the most iconic GK unit and would fit on the game theme. But then I guess if they were available the KT would be like 2 dudes.

Yeah I was really hoping we would but didn't think it would happen.

**BrookM**

Barzam wrote:
So, just a random observation, but the Poxwalker shown on the faction page has two heads. Is that a conversion, or are we seeing an unrevealed new kit?

Eyup, conversion.

**parakuribo**

"Split First Strike with a friend, and you’ll have a great little collection of Plague Marines and Poxwalkers to kick off your kill team..."

Soooo glad I picked up that and a 3-man box of Plague Marines. By the by, anyone know how much each side from that set would cost in KT?

**Sherrypie**

Got to like their little propaganda videos on the Kill Team site.

"Never having seen trees before isn't an excuse to get eaten by one"

**Davor**

Need some help here. My depression is kicking in and I am having trouble focusing a bit. I painted up 4 Genestealer Cult minis I have. I am working on number 5. Is that enough for Kill Teams, or do Genestealers play with more minis?

I know the game is not out yet but trying to fight my depression by doing something I like that I have been neglecting. This Kill Teams has me excited which I haven't been in a while. So I want to jump on my excitement before my depression kills it.

I just want to know how many more mins do you think I will need. I have 4 Neophytes painted. Do I need more? Should I do up some Abberants? I haven't painted any yet.

What other units do we have for Genestealer Cults? I am trying to read through, but as I said depression is kicking in not making me focus on what I am reading. So I am hoping what someone says here, will help me out so I can plan my army faster and be done, and then work on the other army when the game comes out for my wife and kids.

I

**Boss Salvage**

parakuribo wrote:
By the by, anyone know how much each side from that set would cost in KT?

Going by the stills I've seen, you're looking at:

16 Intercessor Sergeant
15 Intercessor
15 Intercessor
16 Reiver
16 Reiver
16 Reiver
94

vs

15 Plague Marine Champion
3 plasma gun
4 power fist
15 Plague Marine Gunner
3 blight launcher
14 Plague Marine
18 6x Poxwalkers
72

Or thereabouts, SM have a couple options (unmodeled grapnels, modeled auspex). Pretty similar to the starter box breakdown actually (Good with 90s, Bad with 70s).

- Salvage

**the_scotsman**

Davor wrote:
Need some help here. My depression is kicking in and I am having trouble focusing a bit. I painted up 4 Genestealer Cult minis I have. I am working on number 5. Is that enough for Kill Teams, or do Genestealers play with more minis?

I know the game is not out yet but trying to fight my depression by doing something I like that I have been neglecting. This Kill Teams has me excited which I haven't been in a while. So I want to jump on my excitement before my depression kills it.

I just want to know how many more mins do you think I will need. I have 4 Neophytes painted. Do I need more? Should I do up some Abberants? I haven't painted any yet.

What other units do we have for Genestealer Cults? I am trying to read through, but as I said depression is kicking in not making me focus on what I am reading. So I am hoping what someone says here, will help me out so I can plan my army faster and be done, and then work on the other army when the game comes out for my wife and kids.

I

Every Genestealer Cult infantry unit is in the game. Genestealers, neophytes, acolytes, aberrants, metamorphs. You will definitely need more than 4 neophytes - I'm being told that the full neophyte box they include in the starter kit can only make 75pts max, with everyone fully geared up.

Pointswise it seems that the models are about the same price, but wargear is way cheaper. They seem to want to encourage a "toyz over boyz" approach to kill team - it's also worth noting with tons of to-hit roll negatives, ranged weapons in general will be significantly weaker in KT than normal 40k.

The units and stats are identical to 40k. I would expect to see something like this:

Neophyte: basic dude 5 points, special weapon dude/heavy weapon dude/sarge average 8 points.
Acolyte: basic dude 11 points, special weapon/sarge average 16 points.
Metamorph: Basic dude 12 points, special weapon/sarge average 14 points (their upgrades are worse than the regular aco upgrades)
Aberrants: Basic dude 25-30 points
Genestealer: basic dude 16 points

with two boxes of anything (one of neos and one of acos is what I'd get) you can pretty much have whatever you want.

Bear in mind that weapon restrictions in the squad are the same as 40k BUT they are restricted by your whole team. So your whole team can have just one Acolyte Sergeant, but you can take JUST the acolyte sarge if you want to. So your team could be like

-Neophyte heavy
-Neophyte special
-Neophyte sarge
-3 neophytes
-Acolyte special weapon
-Metamorph sergeant
-Aberrant

You wouldn't need to have basic acolytes/metas to get the special weapons if you didn't want them.

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

Insane Ivan wrote:
The Munitorum Killzone, Guard and Tyranid starters together give you 10 Armoured containers... That’s quite a lot.

The Tyranid starter is also useful for Genestealer players if they don’t have Purestrains yet, I note.

The site also has quick overview of the rules for the three known Killzones (Imperialis, Mechanicus and Munitorum). I’m guessing we’ll at least see Deathworld, Defence line, and Shipboard (from Rogue Trader) and Plague World (as vonjankmon mentioned) killzones later on. Perhaps Tau as well - after that they’ll need either new terrain or new combinations of terrain boxes...

Oh my wallet, it all looks great!

I'm definitely stoked for the Munitorum release.

It might be hard for them to do a Defence Line or Tidewall release. Maybe a trench raid scenario? I guess they could include some narrative about the defences being abandoned/broken and part of the scenario rules could be trying to reactivate them. I certainly wouldn't mind more cheap bundles of terrain!