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warboss wrote: The upcoming Picard show will be on Amazon Prime outside of North America. Lol, yet again those of us in the US are screwed the hardest by CBS All Access. I have a subscription to both Netflix and Amazon Prime but I'd either have to buy VPN access or CBS All Access to watch. It's a good thing that I'm not particularly keen on STD so can wait till Picard is over to binge both during a free week preview.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2019/05/23 15:38:25
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion :Picard trailer p#16
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2019/05/23 15:48:54
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion :Picard trailer p#16
Yeah... I'm all for a psychological exploration of a great character, but... the people making this know that psychological exploration stories don't necessitate grim scenery, brooding dialogue, and characters overcoming depression, right? You can totally do deep character exploration without heroic BSOD. Honestly, doing psychological exploration through BSOD is like the laziest most uninventive way of doing it.
This series continues the trend of convincing me the people currently developing Star Trek don't actually like Star Trek and wish they were working on some other franchise.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2019/05/23 18:13:17
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion :Picard trailer p#16
The crappy CGI robots don't really add anything. I assume they were added in at the last minute. "How will they know it's the future if we don't have a flying thing".
We kind of know who Picard is because of TNG. I'm not sure what else can possibly be said. The films only really detracted from it all and I can't imagine this fairing any better.
The only thing I could perhaps see him being so broken about is losing his old crew, perhaps they are all in command of their own ships when Romulus is destroyed. I mean I hope that's explained better too. I'm salty that they are still going with JJ timeline.
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Watched with sound off...um is that Star Trek or a Napa Valley winery commercial. I now have the urge to go to the Steiner Ranch steakhouse, finish a steak and watch the sunset with a nice Port.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2019/05/23 21:13:59
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion :Picard trailer p#16
Too early to tell. About the only thing that I can say from the "leaked" set images is that, unlike STD, the uniforms are ok. They're different but still reminiscent/inspired by the post-TNG ones similar to both variants of the JJverse uniforms were to TOS. At least they haven't screwed that up (yet).
0030/05/23 21:48:44
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion :Picard trailer p#16
Thats not bloody Burnham asking the questions is it?
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Compel wrote: Anyone else get the feeling that this is going to be Logan level of depressing television but IN SPAAAAACCCCEEEEE.
If it were anything like Logan, I'd probably be okay with it cause Logan knew how the manage itself well. We could only hope to give Picard that same kind of send off, even if the tone is out of wack with the rest of Star Trek.
LordofHats wrote:Yeah... I'm all for a psychological exploration of a great character, but... the people making this know that psychological exploration stories don't necessitate grim scenery, brooding dialogue, and characters overcoming depression, right? You can totally do deep character exploration without heroic BSOD. Honestly, doing psychological exploration through BSOD is like the laziest most uninventive way of doing it.
This series continues the trend of convincing me the people currently developing Star Trek don't actually like Star Trek and wish they were working on some other franchise.
BSOD? Is this one of those TVTropes things that people who quote it think that everyone else had the time and boredom to memorize that entire site?
I have no idea what to think of this based on the trailer and the interviews thus far, but I'm not having the happiest feeling...
Just Tony wrote: BSOD? Is this one of those TVTropes things that people who quote it think that everyone else had the time and boredom to memorize that entire site?
It predates TVTropes like most things, though the term itself literally comes from "Blue Screen of Death" and refers to characters (namely the heroes) habit of reacting to shocking events by shutting down and withdrawing. Like for example, giving up on Star Fleet. What on earth would ever make Captain "Let me preach to you now our virtues" Picard ever give up on Star Fleet when being assimilated, torn down a dozen times only to say "feth you" I believe, and all the other stuff he experienced didn't? It just kind of stretches my willingness to be interested because it feels completely out of place with the character and like a choice that was made just so they could set a "dark and gritty" tone because that's the cliche with "psychological" stories written by people with limited creativity.
I have no idea what to think of this based on the trailer and the interviews thus far, but I'm not having the happiest feeling...
I mean, we knew this was coming. It was never going to be anything else given Kurtzman's track record and the talent puddle that CBS presently deigns to call a writer's room.
Looks like they're using the JJVerse "Countdown" comic uniforms, which are at least better than STDs.
I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it - and I'll be waiting to do that all in one go, better to rip the band aid off - but nothing we've seen or heard as of yet indicates this is going to appeal.
What really sticks in the craw is Kurtzman trying to evoke Roddenberry to sell this concept as somehow being in-keeping with Trek's previous spirit of optimism. Jog on you hack. This is the trouble with execs like Kurtzman, they see an IP as just a collection of bits that can be stripped down, rearranged, and then stapled back together again - "It's got phasers and com badges and the actor who played Picard is in it and he's playing a character called Picard, what are you nerds whinging about?!".
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2019/05/24 04:03:39
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion :Picard trailer p#16
Mr Morden wrote: Thats not bloody Burnham asking the questions is it?
Dear god I hope she has nothing to do with the series.
Well if ti is - we now know who the show is about - title or not......Maybe she is trying to find out why everyone isnot as awesome as her.....
Hopefully another actress just sounds the same.
Not sure why its odd that a guy gets old and retires to do what he enjoys....maybe its all set in a retirement home.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
If STD season 1 has taught me anything, all you need to do is to include some classic bridge beep and boop sounds combined with a tiny handful of retrolooking props like phasers and communicators and you've maintained continuity as much as you need to. You're then free to discard everything else and claim you're in the same timeline.
