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Larson continues to be utterly insufferable IRL, but thankfully it's rare that I cannot separate the art from the artist.

The film looks... fine. And I like the cast (yay Gemma Chan!). I'll be there opening weekend for sure.

All that said I'm starting to think that this should have been released prior to Infinity War. It makes Infinity War's end credits teaser more powerful (and it makes more sense to non-comic people), and makes her return in A4 all the more special.

And I still hate the magical shrinking-into-nothing headgear.

I’ll probably hate her Magic shrinking headgear less than Panther’s. I hated in Panther how they kept flicking them on and off to talk, but hers leaves your mouth exposed and just covers eyes, so they will hopefully do that less.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And I still hate the magical shrinking-into-nothing headgear.

"We didn't pay so-and-so eleventy bajillion dollars just to hide their face behind a mask!" is probably a hard argument to counter in the studio. Once you start with that premise, it's probably the best aesthetically.

I generally agree with you though. It makes sense for Iron Man and generally, no one else, and even then Iron Man in the MCU has taken it too far (although Blank Panther started in that direction).

I remain pretty excited about this movie.

It's been a problem since Raimi's Spider-Man movies. Actors hate having their faces covered.

They found a cool solution for that with Iron Man, but others just wouldn't do it (Hemsworth wouldn't wear Thor's helmet 'cause he hated it) whereas others seem ready to commit more to their role than their ego (Evans).

Black Panther is the most egregious example, with their masks flicking off whenever there's a lull in the bad CGI fight so they can talk at one another. Spider-Man's mask vanishing in a second in Infinity War wasn't much better.

I can buy that Carol's is the same tech as Star Lord's mask, but I'd still rather do without the whole fake helmet thing.

It's also the audience can clearly tell who is speaking to who.

At the risk of sounding preachy, not everyone is very good at reading body cues in a conversation. Having the disappearing/reappearing masks nips that potential problem/complaint in the bud.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's also the audience can clearly tell who is speaking to who.

At the risk of sounding preachy, not everyone is very good at reading body cues in a conversation. Having the disappearing/reappearing masks nips that potential problem/complaint in the bud.

Agreed. And it's not something that just started recently with superhero films.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Call me Crazy but the only Comic book movies I really liked were the first and second Batmans, Doctor Strange, Iron man, and Logan.

Watchmen must have just slipped your mind ... surely?

 War Drone wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Call me Crazy but the only Comic book movies I really liked were the first and second Batmans, Doctor Strange, Iron man, and Logan.

Watchmen must have just slipped your mind ... surely?

That was decent enough - great soundtrack. I only saw it once - maybe I need to rewatch it.

I get comparing the film to Green Lantern, but doing so kind of skips over what was actually bad about that film. Overused CGI and the like are problems, but what really killed that film was a failure to stick to a single idea and instead jam in as much as possible to rush setting up the movie they actually probably wanted to make (Sinestro Corp War maybe even Blackest Night).

There were.... two... and a half maybe even four or five villains in that film and none of them interact with Hal in a meaningful way. There's no real motives or direction; stuff just kind of happens because we need to see Oa and Poozers and Parallax and Sinestro and Carol and Cadmus and Hector and all the rest without any themes or connective purpose.

I don't feel like that's going to be a problem here. Seeing its clearly going to focus on the Kree-Skrull War with Carol having a history with most of the cast friend and foe, there's really no reason to believe it will be at worst another good if not top 5 worthy first movie along the lines of Strange and Ant-Man. I am way more interested after seeing the second trailer at least. It shows us way more plot than the first trailer and the plot feels interesting, particularly since it feels like they're finally tying SHIELD back around by putting in some of the background behind their interactions with the Kree.

It has Agent Phil Coulson in a feature length Marvel movie..... it has to be good.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 War Drone wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Call me Crazy but the only Comic book movies I really liked were the first and second Batmans, Doctor Strange, Iron man, and Logan.

Watchmen must have just slipped your mind ... surely?

That was decent enough - great soundtrack. I only saw it once - maybe I need to rewatch it.

Oh and the last Judge Dredd movie - very good.

 LunarSol wrote:
I get comparing the film to Green Lantern, but doing so kind of skips over what was actually bad about that film. Overused CGI and the like are problems, but what really killed that film was a failure to stick to a single idea and instead jam in as much as possible to rush setting up the movie they actually probably wanted to make (Sinestro Corp War maybe even Blackest Night).

There were.... two... and a half maybe even four or five villains in that film and none of them interact with Hal in a meaningful way. There's no real motives or direction; stuff just kind of happens because we need to see Oa and Poozers and Parallax and Sinestro and Carol and Cadmus and Hector and all the rest without any themes or connective purpose.

Completely agree that the issue with the GL movie was the story. It wasn't some of the things that people carp about. Marvel origin films tend to be a little...thin?...on the story side, so I can't imagine it sharing GL's issues.

Even though there are obvious parallels in having a green-suited former fighter pilot hotshot space cop/warrior deal with the increasingly unsound ways of her mentor and superior and soon-to-be enemy.

Still not feeling a WW or BP level smash from this one, though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's also the audience can clearly tell who is speaking to who.

At the risk of sounding preachy, not everyone is very good at reading body cues in a conversation. Having the disappearing/reappearing masks nips that potential problem/complaint in the bud.

As someone with an ASD who is therefore actually clinically bad at reading body cues - what a load of nonsense is what I would say to anyone making such a complaint. It's actually easier to follow this kind of stuff in films and other media than IRL because you're one step removed from the interaction. Also, it's rare the character design isn't distinctive - you would have to be completely disinterested or have the attention span of a goldfish to, for example, not be able to grasp that the man in the big silver suit is Rhodey and the man in the big red & gold suit is Stark, even if they've not popped open their faceplates in a while.

 gorgon wrote:

Even though there are obvious parallels in having a green-suited former fighter pilot hotshot space cop/warrior deal with the increasingly unsound ways of her mentor and superior and soon-to-be enemy.

Sure, and as a massive GL fan I'd like nothing more than to see that story done well in a film. I'd rather see it be in an actual GL film, but I cannot fathom WB actually figuring out how to pull that off.

 LunarSol wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Even though there are obvious parallels in having a green-suited former fighter pilot hotshot space cop/warrior deal with the increasingly unsound ways of her mentor and superior and soon-to-be enemy.

Sure, and as a massive GL fan I'd like nothing more than to see that story done well in a film. I'd rather see it be in an actual GL film, but I cannot fathom WB actually figuring out how to pull that off.

The talk has been for some time that the studio's concept for the next GL film will be 'Lethal Weapon in Space', with an experienced Hal Jordan training a young John Stewart. Supposedly Tom Cruise was very interested in playing Hal, but the previous script had Hal dying, and Cruise didn't like it. And I don't disagree! Geoff Johns is supposed to be working on a new script now. Will be interesting see if Cruise remains interested.

And as much as I like to poke fun at Tom Cruise...I honestly think he would *crush* the role. Hotshot but weary space cop, ultra confident but with just a touch of sadness around the edges? He'd kill it, and he knows it.

I'd still love to see the obvious trilogy done right:

1. Hal gets ring and uses it to stop threat on Earth that killed Abin-Sur
2. Hal gets official training under Sinestro, but reveals his brutal subjugation of Korregar
3. Sinestro recruits his own army with its sites set on the home planet of the lantern who disgraced him.

Clear trilogy that both has rising stakes as well as a nice, circular Earth > Space > Earth Meets Space progression that keeps the characters introduced in the first story from becoming irrelevant as things escalate.

Yep, that makes sense. But I think there's some sensitivity about using Hal and not John. "Lethal Weapon" keeps everyone happy. But hey, it's Johns working on the script. He may have different ideas.

gorgon wrote:And as much as I like to poke fun at Tom Cruise...I honestly think he would *crush* the role. Hotshot but weary space cop, ultra confident but with just a touch of sadness around the edges? He'd kill it, and he knows it.

Still say it should be Michael Weatherly. He basically played Hal Jordan every week on NCIS.

Random Trivia: Taika Waititi was in Green Lantern.

 Yodhrin wrote:
It's actually easier to follow this kind of stuff in films and other media than IRL because you're one step removed from the interaction.

That and the cameras tend to focus on the people speaking at the time, so it's kinda hard to miss!

Receding masks are dumb.

 gorgon wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Even though there are obvious parallels in having a green-suited former fighter pilot hotshot space cop/warrior deal with the increasingly unsound ways of her mentor and superior and soon-to-be enemy.

Sure, and as a massive GL fan I'd like nothing more than to see that story done well in a film. I'd rather see it be in an actual GL film, but I cannot fathom WB actually figuring out how to pull that off.

The talk has been for some time that the studio's concept for the next GL film will be 'Lethal Weapon in Space', with an experienced Hal Jordan training a young John Stewart. Supposedly Tom Cruise was very interested in playing Hal, but the previous script had Hal dying, and Cruise didn't like it. And I don't disagree! Geoff Johns is supposed to be working on a new script now. Will be interesting see if Cruise remains interested.

And as much as I like to poke fun at Tom Cruise...I honestly think he would *crush* the role. Hotshot but weary space cop, ultra confident but with just a touch of sadness around the edges? He'd kill it, and he knows it.

He’s too short but yeah I like the sound of this

 gorgon wrote:
Yep, that makes sense. But I think there's some sensitivity about using Hal and not John. "Lethal Weapon" keeps everyone happy. But hey, it's Johns working on the script. He may have different ideas.

I really like John as a character but I find his relatively introspective personality makes him a better support character than lead. He's a great representative of the powers of the Green Lanterns, but when it comes to showcasing what makes the property as a whole compelling, he's just not super ingrained in things. The whole series pivots on the rivalry between Sinestro and Hal simply because that's where it becomes something more than people hitting each other with glowing monochrome cartoon boxing gloves. Theoretically the series could find something else to say. I mean, they could reach back and use the buddy cop dynamic to say something along the lines of the old "GL is racist" deal, but I'd be awfully surprised to see WB go down that route.

They should just do Kyle Raynor. Kyle was always the best GL anyway.

Hal is a lunatic that killed a world because the GL corp wouldn't resurrect a city.

John is pretty great, but kind of dull and dutiful. Better support as mentioned above. He was great in the JL cartoon.

Kyle has both the best will, the most interesting internal conflicts, and has the most creativity with his constructs for external conflicts since hes an artist and comes up with all kinds of wild and crazy stuff.

Kyle Raynor all the way. Oh yeah, his GL costume is also the best.

Could always go for left field and do Simon and Jessica.

What about Guy? (I mostly just know him from the Injustice run, which was fairly flattering to him in comparison to the other Earth Green Lanterns.)

 emptyhat wrote:
What about Guy?

Still unconscious from when Batman knocked him out with one punch.

 emptyhat wrote:
What about Guy? (I mostly just know him from the Injustice run, which was fairly flattering to him in comparison to the other Earth Green Lanterns.)

There is a reason he was not on the list.

Guy Gardner is a pretty divisive character. Both in universe and out.

Guy is literally the red headed step child of the GL corps.

He has a weird temper and a signature bowl cut that just doesn't gel well with much of anything. He fits as a background/support character. But he excels at nothing.

John Stewart is probably the most stalwart of the main character GLs. The most honorable. The most dedicated. He has a job, a duty, and he sees it fufilled.

Hal is the most flashy and the biggest show off. Hes quips and dare devil antics which makes for good front man because its interesting to watch.

Kyle, again, is actually the best at utilizing what a GL has to offer. But without experience or military training. He has the uphill battle of rising to the challenge of the job and hes interesting because of it.

I honestly know nothing about Simon and Jessica. Well, except that Simon is middle eastern and for some reason he uses a gun despite having the most powerful and versatile weapon in the universe on his finger. (I remember it being a thing that they gave the middle eastern GL a gun because wtf DC)

At this point there are so many earth GLs that it just doesn't make any sense. There are supposed to be 2 per space sector. So why the feth does earth have 6?

Simon carries a gun because there was a story where the rings died, so now he wants a backup, because those rings die like all the time. It super pisses off batman though. Now he kind of has an off again on again relationship with carrying it depending on the current writer.

There are 6 lanterns now?!

Does Guy even count as an earth lantern anymore? At one point he was a part of a special ops group. Then he wasn't green, he was red. Then another color. Then he was an alien.

I'd love to see Simon and Jess onscreen, but I don't think it'd work as the first GLs in the DCEU. Both of their characterisations revolve around them not living up to the GL ideal (at least in their own minds) so before you do them you need to show people that ideal: Hal or John do that best, I feel. Kyle was doesn't work for me there because he spends so much time as not a Green Lantern or a Green Lantern+ or whatever (is he still the White Lantern with the power of the Source Wall or something?). And Guy is just a jerk most of the time, it'd be hard to make him sympathetic to a first-time audience.

Back to Captain Marvel though, that second trailer does way more for me than the last one; there's at least some sense of the premise and the various incarnations of the suit all look awesome. Definitely starting to get excited now.