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 Compel wrote:
I'm not the best knower of Captain Marvel things, but I did read a short arc on her on Marvel Unlimited a while back, around her "Ms Marvel" time.

That and she's cropped up in the X-Men comics a few times. The sort of sense I got from her was she's like a female James Bond with superpowers, and that was a pretty neat concept.

She's an interesting character that will probably benefit from the streamlining that most characters get when jumping from page to screen!

For someone denouncing the worth of an Oscar, your sure seem picky who gets them

well yeah, I love the idea of giving awards when they are earned properly, people should get praised for spectacular work, and sadly heath ledgers joker is not that, it was good as ive said multiple times, but not the highest form of excellence which is what the Oscars is supposed to be for.

Can you even name the other nominees from that year without looking it up? I'm pretty sure Ledger's is the only one people are still making memes with.

yep

Robert downey Jr
Thanos
Michael Shannon from shape of water, man of steel and revolutionary road, not really around much at the moment.
Philip seymour hoffman, who died, but was still making movies up to his death.

So Thanos and RDJ are still kicking around and going strong, michael shannon has kind of dropped off in the last year or so and philip seymour hoffman is dead

Meanwhile, back in the Captain Marvel thread...

 Alpharius wrote:
Meanwhile, back in the Captain Marvel thread...

I'll go make a Joker thread so people can talk about Captain Marvel in it.

Captain Marvel Discussion

Ledger's performance is fantastic. It is not a strictly comic accurate interpretation of the character, but little in Nolan's universe is. He plays the character created for that interpretation brilliantly though, with the primary weakness simply being that his greatest accomplishment in the role is creating a sense of dangerous unpredictability, which isn't exactly something you continue to feel when you've seen it and know what's going to happen.

Mark Hamill easily has the best all around comic accurate Joker. His most comic accurate scene is sadly really hard to come by these days, as it was censored out of the Batman Beyond movie due to the Columbine shootings. The edit leaves the performance mostly intact but is less visceral and loses some of the impact of his manic laughter as everyone is horrified by his actions.

Jack Nicholson did a phenomenal job as well. The script leaves the character light on mystery but he set a gold standard for the character that's mostly dismissed because of where the franchise went in its later installments.

 Alpharius wrote:
Meanwhile, back in the Captain Marvel thread...

Is there any new news for this? Or are we still in waiting mode?

Not sure, but after the last few pages here, it looks as if it will have the first Marvel/DC crossover on film?

 Alpharius wrote:
Not sure, but after the last few pages here, it looks as if it will have the first Marvel/DC crossover on film?

And then we all go to see the actual movie and in the after credits scene at the end Brie Larson appears dressed as the Joker reenacting scenes from the Animated Series, The Dark Knight, and Tim Burton's Batman

 Alpharius wrote:
Not sure, but after the last few pages here, it looks as if it will have the first Marvel/DC crossover on film?

OK, but technically, that should be Teen Titans / X-Men.

IIRC, that was the first actual Marvel/DC crossover. Or rather, it was the "good" one.

Didn't Superman/Spider-Man come first?

prior to that :

https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-280/

hat-tip to :

https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-63/3/

It would be amazing if Marvel were to do a Squadron Supreme movie based on the original maxi-series.

Oddly enough I bought and reread that series and the more recent follow ups just prior to xmas.

.. In some of the follow up stories -- when the squadron is stuck on the Avengers earth -- Captain Marvel is back on the team -- but is *gasp* losing/has lost her Binary powers/form -- and is starting to become an alcoholic.



.... no chance of ever getting a successful series of films out of a comic book character who is ..?

Huh ?

oh.

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Yeah, but Tony's alcoholism *never* comes up in the MCU version, right?

The MCU touched on the theme of it in IM3, but didn't actually do Demon in a Bottle, adapted and reskinned as PSTD

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The MCU touched on the theme of it in IM3, but didn't actually do Demon in a Bottle, adapted and reskinned as PSTD

It half did it with arc reactor poisoning in IM2 as well.

Good points - they skipped alcoholism via PTSD and Impossibilium Poisoning!

They briefly touched on it in IM2 at the beginning, when he was getting trashed in his suit, falling all over the place, and basically making an ass of himself. But it was fleeting. They opted to make the fight for him in the MCU the shrapnel in his chest, threatening to kill him if his tech fails.

Gonna see this because it’s “necessary” for Avengers: End Game, but Captain Marvel was never really important for me; she was just the hero Rogue drained fully to gain her strength and flight abilities.

For quite a while, the Avengers were pretty third tier for Marvel and didn't have a whole lot of mainstream exposure outside of solo appearances. They were a much bigger deal to pre-80's comic fans and Carol was a fairly important part for fans of that era of the team. I didn't have a lot of knowledge of her either outside of the Rogue footnote, but when Bendis made the team more of Marvel's comic centerpiece I found her to be a pretty great part of the team. Unfortunately she's been in a weird place for me where I vastly prefer her Captain Marvel name and costume, but she hasn't really been written that well since the change.

Bumping this instead of starting a new one, hope that's okay.

It comes out in just three weeks. Some various news.

Trolls are apparently already starting the review bombing at RT. I don't really recall this happening to Wonder Woman and think it's a combination of rumors that Captain Marvel will be more powerful than Thor and that Brie Larson is disliked compared to Gal Gadot. Gadot did have the benefit of an appearance in BvS that was widely praised as being one of the sole strong parts of the film and I think the first female superhero hype drowned out everything else. It probably helped that there was less general interest in the DCEU by that point and WW wasn't leading up to what will possibly be the biggest MCU film. As far as Captain Marvel's power goes she has been doing this for 20~ years so from that perspective I don't see an issue with her being a powerhouse, but I can understand the perspective of being annoyed that a newcomer suddenly trumps characters that fans have come to know and love.

The box office predictions are all over the place. The film could do anything from $700 mil to possibly a $1.2-1.3 billion range. I think it cracking $1 billion would be a strong showing. Ant-Man and the Wasp did a paltry $622.7 mil so being an MCU film is no guarantee of it being a massive financial success. However, the post credits scene should bring in all hardcore MCU fans alone.

Lastly, early reviews should be coming out today or tomorrow.

$622.7 is paltry? Most movies would kill to make half that.

Yeah, it's pretty remarkable how the Marvel films have twisted our perspective on box office. An ANT-MAN film did over $600 million.

*ANT-MAN*. *600 MILLION*.

That's literally incredible, and shows the immense power of the Marvel brand. Because ultimately you're talking about a nice film that's entertaining but not wildly so. The character isn't even popular in the comics. There's no way the math should add up to $600 million.

I'm really not sold on the CM film, and don't think it'll have the cultural reverberations that WW did. But $700 mil is clearly the absolute floor that it should race past easily.

Yeah, a projected $1 billion being reduced to 'a strong showing' is a warped perspective. That's up in the 'top grossing films of all time.'

The review bombing idiots are unsurprising at this point. Sad indicator of how stupid and prejudiced our societies are, but not a surprise. I'm more surprised tomatoes website is backwards enough to allow pre-release reviews. Obviously it should be wiped and locked until people have a chance to see it before issuing fake 'reviews' (or angry rants about women)

I don't think ww has had cultural reverberations. Nobody talks about it any more except as 1 of 2 good dceu movies. While the merch is all over i don't see kids running around with the toys/masks/whatever. Id say the character is about as popular now as she was before with the exception that she has a good portrayal on film for once.

It was a good movie, but ultimately just a movie.

WW was 'a thing' at the time with moms and daughters and such. And the character is very obviously more popular than ever.

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/who-run-the-world-wonder-woman-wins-schoolyard-popularity-contest-20180926-p5062h.html
https://www.scraawl.com/product/2017/06/08/wonder-woman-other-superheroes-ranked-by-popularity-on-twitter/
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/28/16034094/wonder-woman-cosplay-san-diego-comic-con-message-hollywood-sdcc-2017
https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/10/20/spider-man-harley-quinn-wonder-woman-popular-halloween-costumes-/

CM has been beat to that punch already, and unlike WW there's basically no awareness about the character other than what's been shown in ads for the movie. Another female-led superhero film is another positive step forward, and the film should do great by any sane metric. I just don't think it'll be quite as talked-about this spring as WW was that summer. That's all.

Thats fair. But i also think thats going to have a lot to do with endgame. Carol Danvers is most likely going to be talked about this summer in relation to her 2 movie story instead of her one.

I still see WW used in memes about role models and such things.

Rotten Tomatoes has lost a lot of relevance in the last couple of years. I'm not sure a bad or good tomato score matters to most moviegoers any more.

 gorgon wrote:

CM has been beat to that punch already, and unlike WW there's basically no awareness about the character other than what's been shown in ads for the movie. Another female-led superhero film is another positive step forward, and the film should do great by any sane metric. I just don't think it'll be quite as talked-about this spring as WW was that summer. That's all.

Reasonably expectation. I'm looking forward to it and I'd be surprised if its not at least good, but I'm dreading all the discussion about how many millions is going to be considered successful enough for it.

I've liked Carol ever since Marvel decided to put some effort into her in House of M. A really iconic film would go a long way to firming up her continuity woes and giving her a steady status quo to fall back on.

 trexmeyer wrote:
I don't really recall this happening to Wonder Woman and think it's a combination of rumors that Captain Marvel will be more powerful than Thor and that Brie Larson is disliked compared to Gal Gadot.

Nah, it's everything to do with the fact that Carol's comics reboot over the last six years or so is a direct punch in the dick to the kind of knuckle dragging basement dwellers that want non-male superfolk to not exist, or be nothing but tits and skin. She's a symbol to many who have been doing work to excavate human shaped sacks of excrement from "nerddom", and that makes her a target.