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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Melta still more expensive than Plasma. No matter how cheap they make Melta, it will never be a valid option unless it's cheaper than Plasma

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If the platforms are cheap enough it won't matter. Fire Dragons are almost good, after all.

Fire Dragons are good, but they have other rules and DON"T have Plasma.
The point is that just about EVERY Marine/CSM platform that can take a Melta, can instead that a Plasma. And will absolutely for so if Melta remains the more expensive option while also remaining the worst option.
Not mad, just....disappointed

Gryphonne wrote:
Leaks guys! For those who missed it:

https://imgur.com/gallery/PVf1Vsr

I can't help but notice that in the DA units, BA unit and CSM units sections "Space Marine/Chaos Space Marine" isn't a listed unit with a points drop.
So either there is another section specifically lowering the points on these units that we haven't seen, or MEQs are intended to be trash units that GW doesn't want you to buy anymore.

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So if anyone can explain the logic behind the only Harlequin change really being that Fusion Pistol buff, I'd love to hear it.

Fire dragons have a special rule that buff their guns and they don't compete with overcharged plasma.

Lol, well some guardsmen went to 5 points. Veteran guardsmen...

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAR
https://imgur.com/a/ldiBCNR

They havent undone the damage to the big FW units from last year, which is very disappointing!

Sure chaos space marine squads are still 13ppm... but chosen are 14 That is a pretty decent plasma or close combat platform right there. 12ppm on the warp talons just looks... brutal. I feel like that was a typo but overall I like the changes to the chaos space marines. I have no idea how it’s going to balance against everyone else though... and the CP generating ability got hurt pretty bad for us... Overall I think some things that have been resting on people’s shelves might see the table at the very least in a casual setting though.

No drops on regular marines and guardsmen, this is so silly

Got most of my Tyranid wishlist, so excited

Broodlords, Lictors, Pyrovores, Tyranid Primes, Tyrannocytes down 25-30%
Exocrines & Tervigons down over 40pts
Tfex down 30pts
Both Trygons down 20pts
Swarmlord down 50pts

Haruspex, Maleceptor & Toxicrene down a bit

Heavy ranged weapons got decent cuts

Neurothrope up to 90 as expected

macluvin wrote:
Sure chaos space marine squads are still 13ppm... but chosen are 14 That is a pretty decent plasma or close combat platform right there. 12ppm on the warp talons just looks... brutal. I feel like that was a typo but overall I like the changes to the chaos space marines. I have no idea how it’s going to balance against everyone else though... and the CP generating ability got hurt pretty bad for us... Overall I think some things that have been resting on people’s shelves might see the table at the very least in a casual setting though.

So they brought up Cultist point cost because they were "too popular" in CSM lists, but than garunteed they remain the only valid Troop? Good job GW

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 xttz wrote:
Got most of my Tyranid wishlist, so excited

Broodlords, Lictors, Pyrovores, Tyranid Primes, Tyrannocytes down 25-30%
Exocrines & Tervigons down over 40pts
Tfex down 30pts
Both Trygons down 20pts
Swarmlord down 50pts

Haruspex, Maleceptor & Toxicrene down a bit

Heavy ranged weapons got decent cuts

Neurothrope up to 90 as expected

It's sad that the Neurologist went up, but when the malanthrope went up, we all knew it....

Now primes will be worth it though, meaning warrior lists might see a come back, especially after the venom cannon point drops.

I was reading the latest White Dwarf and there was an article about Cities of Death, where they talked about changes to terrain rules.

Basically soft cover (crates, wooden fences, stuff you'd have lying around) gives +1 to armour, while hard cover (ruins, buildings...) gives +2. This can be countered by being higher up, as a height advantage of at least 3" gives your guys -1 AP extra and there is a stratagem to increase it to -2. Most interestingly, there is a general obscured penalty to hit: if your target is over 50% out of sight, the firer gets -1 to hit. Also ~20 new stratagems for urban fighting, like sewers for deep striking and point blank overwatch even when the enemy starts the charge out of sight.

Melta being at 14 points is...kinda reasonable I guess. Then I saw the Death Guard Plasma Guns at 11.

1 step forward 15 steps back ya know?

Tank commanders dropped 25 pts? Wow.

With the breadth of point cost reductions, I'm not sure if they haven't just inflated the game size. If everything changes, nothing changes...

Humm, from the necron leaks there's even less a reason to take warriors even at 11pts since immortals are down to 17. Nightbringer at 180 is a good steal. DDA which we all use are down about 35 which is helpful. AB are down about 35 but still can't think of a reason to take one. Preatorians are in a similar boat of being okay cost wise but they can't do much of anything useful.

Still think we are at the bottom of the codexes.

 Trickstick wrote:
Lol, well some guardsmen went to 5 points. Veteran guardsmen...

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I'm sorry but this is hilariously wonderful and entertaining.

 buddha wrote:
Humm, from the necron leaks there's even less a reason to take warriors even at 11pts since immortals are down to 17. Nightbringer at 180 is a good steal. DDA which we all use are down about 35 which is helpful. AB are down about 35 but still can't think of a reason to take one. Preatorians are in a similar boat of being okay cost wise but they can't do much of anything useful.

Still think we are at the bottom of the codexes.

Immortals are down to 15. They are 17 currently.
11 points seem right for warriors.
An annihilation barge with gauss cannon is 120 points. Which isn't bad. The main gun still needs a buff though.

 Trickstick wrote:
Tank commanders dropped 25 pts? Wow.

With the breadth of point cost reductions, I'm not sure if they haven't just inflated the game size. If everything changes, nothing changes...

Yeah... maybe they should have just doubled everyone’s points and started from there... I wonder if we will ever see the day of the 1 point guardsman xD

AdMech seems to have significant point drops on everything except the usual competitive choices (rangers, vanguards, dragoons, dakka robots).

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Humm, from the necron leaks there's even less a reason to take warriors even at 11pts since immortals are down to 17. Nightbringer at 180 is a good steal. DDA which we all use are down about 35 which is helpful. AB are down about 35 but still can't think of a reason to take one. Preatorians are in a similar boat of being okay cost wise but they can't do much of anything useful.

Still think we are at the bottom of the codexes.

Immortals are down to 15. They are 17 currently.
11 points seem right for warriors.
An annihilation barge with gauss cannon is 120 points. Which isn't bad. The main gun still needs a buff though.

Yes, can't math this morning.

9 pages of points http://imgur.com/gallery/YsUf9K9

 buddha wrote:
Humm, from the necron leaks there's even less a reason to take warriors even at 11pts since immortals are down to 17. Nightbringer at 180 is a good steal. DDA which we all use are down about 35 which is helpful. AB are down about 35 but still can't think of a reason to take one. Preatorians are in a similar boat of being okay cost wise but they can't do much of anything useful.

Still think we are at the bottom of the codexes.

Even with a huge reduction to the Doomsday Ark, heavy destroyers are down 5ppm so I still see no rational reason to take such an unreliable unit.

Anyone else think Triarch stalkers are a bit of a steal now? Down from 117 to 85, Guess cannon also reduced to 40 from 54

changemod wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Humm, from the necron leaks there's even less a reason to take warriors even at 11pts since immortals are down to 17. Nightbringer at 180 is a good steal. DDA which we all use are down about 35 which is helpful. AB are down about 35 but still can't think of a reason to take one. Preatorians are in a similar boat of being okay cost wise but they can't do much of anything useful.

Still think we are at the bottom of the codexes.

Even with a huge reduction to the Doomsday Ark, heavy destroyers are down 5ppm so I still see no rational reason to take such an unreliable unit.

7 points. Heavy Gauss Cannons were 27 points.
Heavy Destroyers are now the same as Destroyers, I believe.

 axisofentropy wrote:
9 pages of points http://imgur.com/gallery/YsUf9K9

This should NOT be missed!

I'm somewhat perplexed by the some of these design changes.

On the one hand, Chaos Terminators staying 28 points per model while Loyalist equivalents going down to 23 seems more like an oversight than anythingelse. I can understand Blightlord or Scarab Occults being a bit more expensive, but generic CSM terminators? Also nerfing cultists to 5 point per model while leaving guardsmen at 4 points is ridiculous. Especially since in 8th edition and the allies system, "internal" balance is a really weak concept. Space Marines with allied guardsmen is not really that different from Chaos Space Marines with cultists that it warrants cultists at 5 points. The only reason cultists were so popular is because the generic MEQ body is really struggling, not because they are particularly game breaking.


ON THE OTHER HAND. Another 20 point price drop for Defilers YEAAAA BOI.

Mmmm, Guardsmen still cost 4ppm.

Your tears have sustained me, LAAC Dakka members.

any leaks on changes to space wolves?

and the black templars?

much appreciated

Nothing on the index front?
No stratagems for DKoK, no news for renegades?

Any idea what those updated Data Sheets are mentioned in the point lists?