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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I really hope the new Black Legion guy can be built as a generic Raptor Lord. Would be pretty rude to Night Lords fans to make an HQ that synergizes with their iconic unit and not let them use it.

It's a modern GW plastic character. More than that, it's a name character (The Mighty Skeleto... I mean Worldtaker!). You honestly think the kit will have options. Where have you been these past 2 years?

The Exalted Sorcerer kit came out in 2016, you know.

 Mothman wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
From a fluff point of view, I wonder if Guilliman’s return will see Calgar take greater personal risk?

After all. The survival of his Chapter is now more secure than ever, and he no longer has to worry about every tiny detail. He’s free to be a fighter, concerned with the immediate theatre of war.

That’s very different to being entirely in charge of everything, all the time.

I think part of the recent fluff is calgar was getting kind of insecure about how he was running things, with guillaman not being this perfect dude they all worshipped and him thinking guillaman wasnt happy with him (by taking sicarius along to do things instead of him, though iirc its more cause sicarius reminds guillaman of some dude he used to know) so he might be somewhat more eager to prove himself.

He also felt (in Dark Imperium), that he had personally failed while running Macragge.

The odd thing about it is, it seemed like he was rather offended by the idea of Primaris Marines as well as disgruntlement with the new ways. I honestly expected glorious suicide rather than willing conversion to the new reality.

here's a pic of the back of the noisy one:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
The Exalted Sorcerer kit came out in 2016, you know.

And then Death Guard happened. Look at the stark difference.

Was there any whisperings of the release date for the GSC models? Likely they'll sally forth with the codex, but I'm not sure I'll be able to wait until January at this rate...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
From a fluff point of view, I wonder if Guilliman’s return will see Calgar take greater personal risk?

After all. The survival of his Chapter is now more secure than ever, and he no longer has to worry about every tiny detail. He’s free to be a fighter, concerned with the immediate theatre of war.

That’s very different to being entirely in charge of everything, all the time.

Is this what a SM mid life crisis looks like?

I could see this development causing a bit of friction between the two big blue's if Calgar underwent a risky procedure without Guillimans approval. Hopefully GW don't throw away the potential to add a few interesting wrinkles to the relationship between the two.

I suspect the tension could come from Calgar being reticent about entering the Thingy.

The way it’s described, is suggestive of ‘it either works, or you die’.

As for the actual Calgar model, I'm not a huge fan. It has the same issue than the Aggressors, the fists are too big (they're larger than the normal power fists.) The Gravis armour itself is fine, but the comically oversized fists throw off the balance.

 Crimson wrote:
As for the actual Calgar model, I'm not a huge fan. It has the same issue than the Aggressors, the fists are too big (they're larger than the normal power fists.) The Gravis armour itself is fine, but the comically oversized fists throw off the balance.

Yeah but GW is legally obligated to produce at least one space marine of captain or higher rank with a powerfist raised in the air, per year.

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 ImAGeek wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Invul wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is that an Ork trike? Is that a conversion?

I don’t think it is. Look at the plain plastic model right next to it with the ripped metal and spike on the front, which looks like a new Warbuggy. I think the trakks are back.

It’s a conversion. All the parts from the front half are just warbike parts.

Possibly, perhaps even likely. However, plenty of kits share parts. A picture of a razorback could be discounted as a rhino conversion, for example.

Yeah, but those kits didn’t come out like 8 years apart. And the sprues are cut in a way that you can just add the turret, unlike the way the warbike sprue is cut so that it only makes warbikes.

Ahem- Ork Battlewagon (well, the turret) and Dunecrawlers.

They could easily make an upgrade kit to make the bikes into buggies.

Also, the Wazbom Blastajet - they added a sprue to the old Ork flyer kit to make a 4th variant, and now it's one singe kit (at a higher price).

What if they do the same to the old Warbiker kit? Add a sprue and let people make Trakks and Skorchas in addition to standard Warbikes, and charge extra?

 Crimson wrote:
As for the actual Calgar model, I'm not a huge fan. It has the same issue than the Aggressors, the fists are too big (they're larger than the normal power fists.) The Gravis armour itself is fine, but the comically oversized fists throw off the balance.

Have they not always been that way - since the first image of him?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
As for the actual Calgar model, I'm not a huge fan. It has the same issue than the Aggressors, the fists are too big (they're larger than the normal power fists.) The Gravis armour itself is fine, but the comically oversized fists throw off the balance.

Have they not always been that way - since the first image of him?

Indeed; Calgar has always been an ugly little man with oversized hands.

Voss wrote:

 Mothman wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
From a fluff point of view, I wonder if Guilliman’s return will see Calgar take greater personal risk?

After all. The survival of his Chapter is now more secure than ever, and he no longer has to worry about every tiny detail. He’s free to be a fighter, concerned with the immediate theatre of war.

That’s very different to being entirely in charge of everything, all the time.

I think part of the recent fluff is calgar was getting kind of insecure about how he was running things, with guillaman not being this perfect dude they all worshipped and him thinking guillaman wasnt happy with him (by taking sicarius along to do things instead of him, though iirc its more cause sicarius reminds guillaman of some dude he used to know) so he might be somewhat more eager to prove himself.

He also felt (in Dark Imperium), that he had personally failed while running Macragge.

The odd thing about it is, it seemed like he was rather offended by the idea of Primaris Marines as well as disgruntlement with the new ways. I honestly expected glorious suicide rather than willing conversion to the new reality.

You should know by now that any characters or chapters that express doubt or resistance to Primaris come to accept them because GW need people to buy them.

Okay. I was there at the event today and summarized all the information I could possibly get into one textdump, which can be found here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/a00l09/i_was_at_the_vigilus_weekender_and_live_reported/

Well, Marneus has taken the plunge, so the way has been paved for the Primarisization of the rest of the space marine line. Now let’s get to it and cut the Primaris pretense out. Completely.

EDIT: Posted on Wrong Thread. lol.

 CaptainBetts wrote:
Okay. I was there at the event today and summarized all the information I could possibly get into one textdump, which can be found here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/a00l09/i_was_at_the_vigilus_weekender_and_live_reported/

Cool, thanks for the write up! No mention of any changes to terrain rules?

Good fething luck making GSC good "standalone". If they end up being the best single book in the game then people will just run armies that are mostly GSC with Guard artillery.

PiñaColada wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:
Okay. I was there at the event today and summarized all the information I could possibly get into one textdump, which can be found here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/a00l09/i_was_at_the_vigilus_weekender_and_live_reported/

Cool, thanks for the write up! No mention of any changes to terrain rules?

Not in the main rulebook, no. All the information I got (and things I heard) are on that writeup.


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 Arachnofiend wrote:
Good fething luck making GSC good "standalone". If they end up being the best single book in the game then people will just run armies that are mostly GSC with Guard artillery.

I should clarify - when they said that, they meant more "They won't fall flat on their face and lose if you take pure GSC".

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Good fething luck making GSC good "standalone". If they end up being the best single book in the game then people will just run armies that are mostly GSC with Guard artillery.

That's part of their book though. The Brood Brothers rule in the Index says you can take a detachment of IG per GSC detachment. It that's part of the book, then so be it, that's what will likely be ran. Hopefully it would be balanced out by IG adjustments and forward thinking by the GSC design team. Of course, that's always up in the air, but I've got some faith in that rumor dump we had not long ago....

 Kirasu wrote:
I wonder what GWs amazing fluff reason is that Calgar can no longer ride in his own customized land raider simply because he put on new armor. Amazing sales team logic! They'd sell more models if they ditched the incredibly stupid segmentation. A military force should all be able to use the same transports as Primaris can fit fine inside the same ones marines use and vice versa.

The chapter master can't request his own ride, lol such dumb fluff.

Just a dumb sales team.

 CaptainBetts wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:
Okay. I was there at the event today and summarized all the information I could possibly get into one textdump, which can be found here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/a00l09/i_was_at_the_vigilus_weekender_and_live_reported/

Cool, thanks for the write up! No mention of any changes to terrain rules?

Not in the main rulebook, no. All the information I got (and things I heard) are on that writeup.

Sad.. Still it's a great write up, I appreciate the extra mile you went with formatting and proper punctuation. I'm a bit worried about some of the answers, like in regards to soup though. Valrak mentioned that they said that Calgar isn't actually in Gravis armour now but rather something else. He said that they mentioned what the armour was called, but he forgot.. Any chance you heard?

 Fayric wrote:
Wow, Marneus got really tragic when the big boss Guilliman woke up and brought a load of primaris, because the old guys obviously didnt cut it.

Now, this transformation to primaris scream desperate attention seeking.
Like Guilliman was about to hand him a honorary desk job back at macragge, and Calgar came up with the idea to enter the primaris program.

So sad.

LOL - space wolves will always be secondary to Ultras. You are practically heretics. Don't worry - Russ will be along soon and you can get all giddy and stuff - ride a sleigh or something in the mean time.

PiñaColada wrote:
Sad.. Still it's a great write up, I appreciate the extra mile you went with formatting and proper punctuation. I'm a bit worried about some of the answers, like in regards to soup though. Valrak mentioned that they said that Calgar isn't actually in Gravis armour now but rather something else. He said that they mentioned what the armour was called, but he forgot.. Any chance you heard?

I don't remember either, sorry.

Yeah, I like to keep the punctuation and presentation readable, otherwise it'll be hard for someone to process the large amount of information.

 CaptainBetts wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
Sad.. Still it's a great write up, I appreciate the extra mile you went with formatting and proper punctuation. I'm a bit worried about some of the answers, like in regards to soup though. Valrak mentioned that they said that Calgar isn't actually in Gravis armour now but rather something else. He said that they mentioned what the armour was called, but he forgot.. Any chance you heard?

I don't remember either, sorry.

Yeah, I like to keep the punctuation and presentation readable, otherwise it'll be hard for someone to process the large amount of information.

Haha, I dread the wall o' texts reddit sometimes churns out. It's still impressive you managed to keep track of all that stuff. Alright, last question. There was no mention of any release dates? Either for the GSC or new chaos or Calgar&co?

PiñaColada wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
Sad.. Still it's a great write up, I appreciate the extra mile you went with formatting and proper punctuation. I'm a bit worried about some of the answers, like in regards to soup though. Valrak mentioned that they said that Calgar isn't actually in Gravis armour now but rather something else. He said that they mentioned what the armour was called, but he forgot.. Any chance you heard?

I don't remember either, sorry.

Yeah, I like to keep the punctuation and presentation readable, otherwise it'll be hard for someone to process the large amount of information.

Haha, I dread the wall o' texts reddit sometimes churns out. It's still impressive you managed to keep track of all that stuff. Alright, last question. There was no mention of any release dates? Either for the GSC or new chaos or Calgar&co?

I think someone in the audience at the seminar brought up the fact that the Wrath and Rapture video said "December" in it. We know GSC are next, they didn't give us a date though. I imagine either January or early February 2019 based on previous releases (this is my opinion, NOT a fact). No mention of a Chaos release date either.

Did they say when they are going to redo the finecast sets as plastic? Because Orks are missing a lot of their options because of that.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Did they say when they are going to redo the finecast sets as plastic? Because Orks are missing a lot of their options because of that.

Nothing finecast related was brought up unfortunately - they didn't say anything about bringing back more older kits (it wasn't really asked).

It'd be pretty foolish of them to openly commit to updating all the finecast kits. That's a PR disaster waiting to happen.

I'm pretty underwhelmed with todays reveals. If you're a gs cult player things are great though. But I expected more chaos reveals, that flying chaos lord suffers from being overdone just like the past raptors. The more subtle look of the blackstone fortress models is better imo. No renders of sisters of battle figures either. I guess I'm only bummed cause none of this stuff is anything I'd be interested in buying. Maybe its a blessing in disguise cause my workload is already full.