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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

They didn't tho?

They had 5 pairs of different, nice ones, based on antelopes, rhinos, mammoths, elephants, etc, these have lazy, boring same-same boar tusks.

Funny, here I thought the full kit and its contents had not yet been announced. What insight you have from a single picture.

Yup, because if you make photo for ad, you pick the most boring heads and leave the good one in the box, right?

If you're naive enough to believe that, I have a bridge to sell to you.

Then there is oh, only the precedent from last five termie boxes (and entire primaris range) showing they only have enough helmets to cover all bodies, with maybe (sometimes) 1 extra fancy one for the unit leader, who, by the way, we can see on this pic. So, yeah, if you want to deal in delusions, more power to you, but with all the extra new weapons they have, they won't put any heads like old ones in. These were clearly designed to save sprue space, if there will be more heads, I'd bet on pile of bare, useless ones like in new SM and DW.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The bikes are the third iteration for chaos bikes.

True, but the changes were rather minimal; and the frame of the bike is still the same if I'm not mistaken.

The Bikers that FW sells are pretty good. On the pricey end of course but still.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The bikes are the third iteration for chaos bikes.

This is one area where I genuinely don't remember, but what was each iteration of the Chaos bikes?

The new Terminator box makes me immediately think of what GW did when the made the new Meganobz kit: very similar to the kit before it, but better made and with modulation, so it was a decent kit from that perspective but also had the bits to create the MA Big Mek. So It's a guess, but there is a precedent that there's more we haven't seen.

Okay, so to make a comprehensive list of what Chaos is getting that is new, including boxed games:

Abaddon
Lord of possession
Warpsmith guy riding giant spider
Greater possessed
Chaos Marines Easy to Build kit
Chaos Marines
Terminators
Havoks
Easy to Build Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Chaos Stargate thingy
Khorne Skull terrain



Possibly adding to that: perhaps multi-part Venomcrawler and obliterators. Perhaps adding that thunderhammer guy as an optional layout.

That's 12-14 new kits. Isn't this a pretty big release that was pretty much just dropped into our laps? Bigger than pretty much anything before?

 cuda1179 wrote:
Okay, so to make a comprehensive list of what Chaos is getting that is new, including boxed games:

Abaddon
Lord of possession
Warpsmith guy riding giant spider
Greater possessed
Chaos Marines Easy to Build kit
Chaos Marines
Terminators
Havoks
Easy to Build Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Chaos Stargate thingy
Khorne Skull terrain



Possibly adding to that: perhaps multi-part Venomcrawler and obliterators. Perhaps adding that thunderhammer guy as an optional layout.

That's 12-14 new kits. Isn't this a pretty big release that was pretty much just dropped into our laps? Bigger than pretty much anything before?

I'd not count the stuff from shadowspear as easy to build kits, as they're more a limited time thing that will no doubt be supplemented by full kits before too long.

but yeah it's quite the release

BrianDavion wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Okay, so to make a comprehensive list of what Chaos is getting that is new, including boxed games:

Abaddon
Lord of possession
Warpsmith guy riding giant spider
Greater possessed
Chaos Marines Easy to Build kit
Chaos Marines
Terminators
Havoks
Easy to Build Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Chaos Stargate thingy
Khorne Skull terrain



Possibly adding to that: perhaps multi-part Venomcrawler and obliterators. Perhaps adding that thunderhammer guy as an optional layout.

That's 12-14 new kits. Isn't this a pretty big release that was pretty much just dropped into our laps? Bigger than pretty much anything before?

I'd not count the stuff from shadowspear as easy to build kits, as they're more a limited time thing that will no doubt be supplemented by full kits before too long.

but yeah it's quite the release

Yup, they're more like an entire box set of the retail plastic characters once you actually have them in hand.

 Platuan4th wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Okay, so to make a comprehensive list of what Chaos is getting that is new, including boxed games:

Abaddon
Lord of possession
Warpsmith guy riding giant spider
Greater possessed
Chaos Marines Easy to Build kit
Chaos Marines
Terminators
Havoks
Easy to Build Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Chaos Stargate thingy
Khorne Skull terrain



Possibly adding to that: perhaps multi-part Venomcrawler and obliterators. Perhaps adding that thunderhammer guy as an optional layout.

That's 12-14 new kits. Isn't this a pretty big release that was pretty much just dropped into our laps? Bigger than pretty much anything before?

I'd not count the stuff from shadowspear as easy to build kits, as they're more a limited time thing that will no doubt be supplemented by full kits before too long.

but yeah it's quite the release

Yup, they're more like an entire box set of the retail plastic characters once you actually have them in hand.

that and I tend to view easy build as push to fit etc. the Shadowspear stuff isn't. you NEED glue for them

anyone have a clue about the rule changes in the new codex?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Okay, so to make a comprehensive list of what Chaos is getting that is new, including boxed games:

Abaddon
Lord of possession
Warpsmith guy riding giant spider
Greater possessed
Chaos Marines Easy to Build kit
Chaos Marines
Terminators
Havoks
Easy to Build Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Chaos Stargate thingy
Khorne Skull terrain



Possibly adding to that: perhaps multi-part Venomcrawler and obliterators. Perhaps adding that thunderhammer guy as an optional layout.

That's 12-14 new kits. Isn't this a pretty big release that was pretty much just dropped into our laps? Bigger than pretty much anything before?

I'd not count the stuff from shadowspear as easy to build kits, as they're more a limited time thing that will no doubt be supplemented by full kits before too long.

but yeah it's quite the release

Yup, they're more like an entire box set of the retail plastic characters once you actually have them in hand.

that and I tend to view easy build as push to fit etc. the Shadowspear stuff isn't. you NEED glue for them

Ok it's been forever since I built my Dark imperium box set, but don't you need glue for them?

While the new terminators are an improvement over the old ones (...I think), they didn't exactly blow me away.

Nice for people who want to buy terminators in general, but I suspect that a lot of CSM-players who already own enough of the old plastic terminators to fill their needs, won't really go out of their way to replace them with the new ones.

I know I wont...

The thing is, to me, even though they're updating a lot of kits... it doesn't feel like enough.

Bikers, Possessed, generic chaos lords and sorcerers... I was hoping for more of those sorts of things.

And y'know the thing we REALLY need more than anything else?

A new Cultist box. Badly.

 Lockark wrote:
Ok it's been forever since I built my Dark imperium box set, but don't you need glue for them?

Glue is better than no glue for sure, but they do snap together well enough that you can play with them right after cutting them off the sprue.

 MinscS2 wrote:
Nice for people who want to buy terminators in general, but I suspect that a lot of CSM-players who already own enough of the old plastic terminators to fill their needs, won't really go out of their way to replace them with the new ones.

That depends on how pretty Malibu Stacy's new hat is. We can already see things in that box that weren't part of the old kit (a power sword, combi-plasmas).

If the kit has Rotor-Cannons or Man-Portable Ecto-Plasma Cannons, Chaos Thunderhammers and so on, it might be enough to entice even someone with 25-30 of the damned things still to build.

When things get pulled off the webstore, are they pulled from stores? Is it too late to get the current versions before the new stuff comes into stores?

Chances are you'd have time to get stuff from a GW store, even moreso from stockists that probably have a few sitting around.

 MinscS2 wrote:
While the new terminators are an improvement over the old ones (...I think), they didn't exactly blow me away.

Nice for people who want to buy terminators in general, but I suspect that a lot of CSM-players who already own enough of the old plastic terminators to fill their needs, won't really go out of their way to replace them with the new ones.

I know I wont...

I didn't realize until I was looking at the photo next to photos of the current ones, that the detail is actually a marked improvement. The guns on the old terminators look chunky and cartoony compared to the new ones for example. It feels like instead of reinventing the wheel that made a bunch of small improvements to the visual design cues of the armour that all add up to a nicer looking mini.

If you've already converted every weapon option you could want with the old termies then yeah, their really in no need to upgrade to the new ones.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Okay, so to make a comprehensive list of what Chaos is getting that is new, including boxed games:

Abaddon
Lord of possession
Warpsmith guy riding giant spider
Greater possessed
Chaos Marines Easy to Build kit
Chaos Marines
Terminators
Havoks
Easy to Build Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Chaos Stargate thingy
Khorne Skull terrain



Possibly adding to that: perhaps multi-part Venomcrawler and obliterators. Perhaps adding that thunderhammer guy as an optional layout.

That's 12-14 new kits. Isn't this a pretty big release that was pretty much just dropped into our laps? Bigger than pretty much anything before?

Dont forget the units in Blackstone Fortress, Beastmen and Traitor Guard, Dark Mech and also the Nurgle part of the Rogue Trader box. I think this is only the tip of the iceberg. At least one more Codex, maybe Lost and Damned, and more kits. I also heard this wave would be even larger than what we have seen so far.

Nice new models so far btw

*throws fly in the ointment*

Orks had a starter kit Deffkopta and a plastic Warboss for years and years and once it was gone never got a readily available replacement. There's nothing to say that Beastmen, Traitor Guard or even Cultists will ever get a proper release.

Really happy with the new Terminator unit. Now all I need is for some of the Legions to have receive the odd tweak with their rules (looking at you, Word Bearers) and I'm set.

Amazing release for chaos I don't think I've ever seen anything on the scale of this release ever before. The new marines are gorgeous models as is Abaddon and pretty much everything else!

I bought shadow spear and once I've painted up the vanguard marines for my crimson fist force I'll be using the chaos as the start of red Corsair force.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*throws fly in the ointment*

Orks had a starter kit Deffkopta and a plastic Warboss for years and years and once it was gone never got a readily available replacement. There's nothing to say that Beastmen, Traitor Guard or even Cultists will ever get a proper release.

I never understood that with the orkz.
I would've bought so many deffkoptaz if they had had a box.
Imagine a multipart modell of them with all their options.. never happened sadly.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Okay, so to make a comprehensive list of what Chaos is getting that is new, including boxed games:

Abaddon
Lord of possession
Warpsmith guy riding giant spider
Greater possessed
Chaos Marines Easy to Build kit
Chaos Marines
Terminators
Havoks
Easy to Build Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Chaos Stargate thingy
Khorne Skull terrain



Possibly adding to that: perhaps multi-part Venomcrawler and obliterators. Perhaps adding that thunderhammer guy as an optional layout.

That's 12-14 new kits. Isn't this a pretty big release that was pretty much just dropped into our laps? Bigger than pretty much anything before?

I'd not count the stuff from shadowspear as easy to build kits, as they're more a limited time thing that will no doubt be supplemented by full kits before too long.

but yeah it's quite the release

Yup, they're more like an entire box set of the retail plastic characters once you actually have them in hand.

that and I tend to view easy build as push to fit etc. the Shadowspear stuff isn't. you NEED glue for them

Which is correct, as the only things GW call ETB are the push fit models.

But I think there will ever be a group of people that call the single/mono pose stuff an Easy to Build Kit.
It’s just seen as that by many.

Regarding Number of kits for This Release, I’d ignore the box (or count it as one) for the number of releases, for repeat models particularly.
Kind of like DI and Deathguard I did.
But it’s still 6/7 so far, with 3/4 more coming perhaps, if multi pet versions or character releases separate down the line etc.
A hefty release either way with number of new poses and sculpts coming.

(I wouldn’t count the Khorne thing for this release either, as it was for AoS, but it still stands as new for chaos.
But with the way GW look at what they are putting out for what faction, I bet they count low, just box count etc.
but hey that works for us particularly with dual system releases..

Warhams-77 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Okay, so to make a comprehensive list of what Chaos is getting that is new, including boxed games:

Abaddon
Lord of possession
Warpsmith guy riding giant spider
Greater possessed
Chaos Marines Easy to Build kit
Chaos Marines
Terminators
Havoks
Easy to Build Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Chaos Stargate thingy
Khorne Skull terrain

Possibly adding to that: perhaps multi-part Venomcrawler and obliterators. Perhaps adding that thunderhammer guy as an optional layout.

That's 12-14 new kits. Isn't this a pretty big release that was pretty much just dropped into our laps? Bigger than pretty much anything before?

Dont forget the units in Blackstone Fortress, Beastmen and Traitor Guard, Dark Mech and also the Nurgle part of the Rogue Trader box. I think this is only the tip of the iceberg. At least one more Codex, maybe Lost and Damned, and more kits. I also heard this wave would be even larger than what we have seen so far.

Nice new models so far btw

There’s also the new “Dark Apostle” hinted at by the Rumor Engine pics and the art that also has Abaddon in it, and there’s the “sorceror” backpack rumor pic that hasn’t shown up for any of the known units yet. So I’d say we are looking at at least two more character kits.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
When things get pulled off the webstore, are they pulled from stores? Is it too late to get the current versions before the new stuff comes into stores?

My local Warhammer store had all the Chaos Marine stuff in their "last chance to buy" section last year about October/November time. All they have left now are some possessed Marines with the small bases.

Actually, the last chance to buy section is a good place to look to see what is going to be updated next. Recently they've had the older Chaos Marauders and Greenskin models.

Boy am I glad I just got some Helbrutes. Who knows where you'll be able to buy them once the Start Collecting! vanishes into the ether.

 Insane Ivan wrote:
There’s also the new “Dark Apostle” hinted at by the Rumor Engine pics and the art that also has Abaddon in it, and there’s the “sorceror” backpack rumor pic that hasn’t shown up for any of the known units yet. So I’d say we are looking at at least two more character kits.

There's nothing "hinted" about it. The artwork exists, so the model exists, and he will look exactly like that, just like Spider-Mechanicus dude in the background matches the miniature pretty much exactly.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Boy am I glad I just got some Helbrutes. Who knows where you'll be able to buy them once the Start Collecting! vanishes into the ether.

 Insane Ivan wrote:
There’s also the new “Dark Apostle” hinted at by the Rumor Engine pics and the art that also has Abaddon in it, and there’s the “sorceror” backpack rumor pic that hasn’t shown up for any of the known units yet. So I’d say we are looking at at least two more character kits.

There's nothing "hinted" about it. The artwork exists, so the model exists, and he will look exactly like that, just like Spider-Mechanicus dude in the background matches the miniature pretty much exactly.

That was what I was trying to imply, yes, thank you.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MinscS2 wrote:
Nice for people who want to buy terminators in general, but I suspect that a lot of CSM-players who already own enough of the old plastic terminators to fill their needs, won't really go out of their way to replace them with the new ones.

That depends on how pretty Malibu Stacy's new hat is. We can already see things in that box that weren't part of the old kit (a power sword, combi-plasmas).

If the kit has Rotor-Cannons or Man-Portable Ecto-Plasma Cannons, Chaos Thunderhammers and so on, it might be enough to entice even someone with 25-30 of the damned things still to build.

I wouldn't count on Terminators getting completely new weapon options, although the rotor cannon would be awesome

Pandabeer wrote:
I wouldn't count on Terminators getting completely new weapon options, although the rotor cannon would be awesome

Oh of course. Yes, you're right. They're using the existing rules, so they won't get anything new. They'll just get what they're missing (Power Swords and Combi-Plasmas, basically).