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Spoletta wrote:
Going by the beta codex they are characters, so wouldn't they be quite hard to kill just cause of this?
Yes to a degree, but their greatest protection is that they are going to be way down the target priority list. They don't buff anything around them, they have no firepower, and inflict little meaningful damage in close combat.

But at 20 points they could look to tie up a vehicle or camp a backfield objective, and with all the snipers about celestine could do with the protection given that the celestians and crusaders still stubbornly refuse to do their jobs.

The biggest black marks against them IMO is that they highlight what sisters don't have (proper jump characters for buffs) and a reminder of how far celestine has fallen.


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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I mean they should work as being characters themselves that just can take wounds for Celestine and she can in turn bring them back. Last I knew though they were like a real small unit which makes them vulnerable to being picked off while celestine is still under character protection, is that how it still works for them now ?
They are a 2 model unit with the character rule and a 2+ bodyguard save for celestine.

They have the less powerful version of wound interception (one mortal wound for each wound saved rather than per hit), and Celestines ability to resurrect them doesn't work if you kill both of them.

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Regular Dakkanaut




tneva82 wrote:
Bdrone wrote:
the Zephryim worry me because of being Str 3 with power swords. they have all kinds of rerolls and such, but im still a bit worried about that units long term viability...


Well S3 with reroll is better than S4 without reroll vs T4 and better vs other T's. S5 would be better vs T4 but worse against most other T's. Doesn't sound that bad to me.


yes, its been mathed out to me a few times where i roam now that it's better than S4, and thats true, even if it feels off to me that that is how it's getting done. one of my hopes was we'd get a unit that could get more than one higher strength melee weapon with armor on, or update celestians into that and being able to pick multiple higher str power weaponry. i wish this unit champion could take a blessed blade at least.

Thing is with what ive heard so far, the Zephyirm and Seraphim will be more important due to being able to deepstrike. im debating the value in a more melee list of setting up multicharges with other melee units by deep striking zephyrim with a pennant into position to give everyone else charge rerolls as well. doesn't work on many of the good melee targets, but theres a plausible application. more wondering what the best Argent shroud list could look like. something tells me my mindset doesn't play ball with the intent, because i think in shooting mostly, and im already trying to put that list together in my head.

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Vigo. Spain.

A.T. wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
Going by the beta codex they are characters, so wouldn't they be quite hard to kill just cause of this?
Yes to a degree, but their greatest protection is that they are going to be way down the target priority list. They don't buff anything around them, they have no firepower, and inflict little meaningful damage in close combat.

But at 20 points they could look to tie up a vehicle or camp a backfield objective, and with all the snipers about celestine could do with the protection given that the celestians and crusaders still stubbornly refuse to do their jobs.

The biggest black marks against them IMO is that they highlight what sisters don't have (proper jump characters for buffs) and a reminder of how far celestine has fallen.


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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I mean they should work as being characters themselves that just can take wounds for Celestine and she can in turn bring them back. Last I knew though they were like a real small unit which makes them vulnerable to being picked off while celestine is still under character protection, is that how it still works for them now ?
They are a 2 model unit with the character rule and a 2+ bodyguard save for celestine.

They have the less powerful version of wound interception (one mortal wound for each wound saved rather than per hit), and Celestines ability to resurrect them doesn't work if you kill both of them.


Yeah... after reading their rules, the best use for them is as Sister Superior of Seraphim squads. A shame because I had so epic and fun moments with Celestine and the Twins in the Index, their rules worked so well.
I'm one of those "Models are eternal, rules are temporary", but I believe this is the first time a change in rules for a model I love has robed me of every will to use it in my lists.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Longtime Dakkanaut





 Dysartes wrote:
 Mmmpi wrote:
AngryAngel80 wrote:
 Mmmpi wrote:
That implies they tried to make them work.


As much of a low bar as I have for GW I like to believe they at least try and do their jobs correct.


For all we know they're working exactly as intended. But none of the players see what they were built for as relevant to actually playing games, so no one uses them.

But from what reveals we've gotten, they functionally haven't changed since the witch hunter's codex.


I would be impressed if the Gemini hadn't changed since the Witch Hunter codex, given they didn't debut until the Celestine resculpt for The Gathering Storm...


Sorry, I was talking about Celestians.
   
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/18/sisters-of-battle-situation-report/

Seem to be coming in January:
The new codex itself features all these units and more. For those who do miss out on the Army Set, January is right around the corner, so you’ll be able to pre-order it in no time.

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That new Pentient Engine doesn't do it for me. The chains holding the flails look off. The pilot's one foot looks massive. The color scheme just looks off. The gold looks wonky, there's too much going on, etc.
   
Made in ro
Death-Dealing Devastator




Belgium

GaroRobe wrote:
That new Pentient Engine doesn't do it for me. The chains holding the flails look off. The pilot's one foot looks massive. The color scheme just looks off. The gold looks wonky, there's too much going on, etc.

But hey, we finally have female pilots!
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





Eastern Ontario

I'm really glad (and surprised) that I managed to nab a pre-order on an army box - but at the same time I like the cover illustration for the regular codex more, TBH.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. 
   
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows





N'Ferno wrote:
But hey, we finally have female pilots!
Not that you can particularly tell from the model. And now I can't unsee that giant food either, or those bizarre kneecaps.

Really awkward shape to close over for a casket though. Rogue trader escape pod perhaps...
   
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 Kawauso wrote:
I'm really glad (and surprised) that I managed to nab a pre-order on an army box - but at the same time I like the cover illustration for the regular codex more, TBH.


Its a much better cover. Not the first time I've had that reaction either. Limited edition codexes are pretty hit and miss and the concept still baffles me anyway.

Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon






GaroRobe wrote:
That new Pentient Engine doesn't do it for me. The chains holding the flails look off. The pilot's one foot looks massive. The color scheme just looks off. The gold looks wonky, there's too much going on, etc.


I may wait to build mine till someone starts 3D-printing a lid to make it closed-casket (assuming it's not an optional part in the box already).
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





Eastern Ontario

Voss wrote:


Its a much better cover. Not the first time I've had that reaction either. Limited edition codexes are pretty hit and miss and the concept still baffles me anyway.


Likewise. Its being "limited edition" is neither here nor there for me, though - I'm more drawn by the models with unique sculpts compared to the boxes coming later. Having the codex included as part of the bundle in any capacity is a big draw, too, regardless of what's on the cover.

But, yeah, the regular-version cover illustration is a lot nicer.

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Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

Most of those flying poses look much better. The lines of movement flow rather than clash.

   
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows



Aachen

 Kawauso wrote:
Voss wrote:


Its a much better cover. Not the first time I've had that reaction either. Limited edition codexes are pretty hit and miss and the concept still baffles me anyway.


Likewise. Its being "limited edition" is neither here nor there for me, though - I'm more drawn by the models with unique sculpts compared to the boxes coming later. Having the codex included as part of the bundle in any capacity is a big draw, too, regardless of what's on the cover.

But, yeah, the regular-version cover illustration is a lot nicer.


I prefer the LE one, but the normal cover is really good, too. But they have very different vibes, I'd say.

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Mighty Vampire Count






UK

Really like both covers - been awesome if the main cover was inside the ltd ed book as well as art.

Love the basic Sisters squad - the updates of all the old models - like throwing a grenade

Seraphim are good - was hoping to see the melee version, the Mortifcator is ok.

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Ooh. That standard cover is much more my style. Might sell off the limited version once it arrives, or trade it in January.

Mortifier looks fantastic too. Colour scheme is a bit gaudy, but it'll look fantastic done up in blackened metal instead of gold.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






I like how back in Bulletin #17 we were told all about how penitent engines was apparently deliberately minimalist with no decoration... and then the studio mortifier is painted with a load of gilded bling on it.
   
Made in de
Liche Priest Hierophant






I like the normal cover much better than the limited edition one.

At least they don't seem to be making us wait very long until the regular kits are released. I want to buy Sisters, too.

I'm not thrilled by the Penitent Engine pilots so far. I think the old ones looked better. Not sure why the new variant warrants the description shooty when it has the same number of guns and close combat weapons as the old one. Nobody ever tried selling a heavy bolter Immolator as the shooty version of the heavy flamer Immolator either...

I think someone earlier in the thread said the Triumph of Saint Katherine is not order specific - is that from a reviewer and confirmed? That'd be cool.

Can't wait to see the model for that, or the terrain piece for that matter.

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Made in fi
Charging Wild Rider





Mortifier really doesn't do it for me, neither liking the weapon design nor the pilot (art looked more promising). But that's kind of a good thing I guess; now I won't be disappointed with the regular version in the box set.

Seraphim look great.


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 Geifer wrote:
Can't wait to see the model for [the Triumph of Saint Katherine], or the terrain piece for that matter.

Yes indeed!
Wonder how long we will have to wait to see it - as pieced together before from the cherub pictures, a painted version of the Triumph of St. K appears to exist already.

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 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how back in Bulletin #17 we were told all about how penitent engines was apparently deliberately minimalist with no decoration... and then the studio mortifier is painted with a load of gilded bling on it.


Mortifier isn’t a Penitent Engine

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N'Ferno wrote:
But hey, we finally have female pilots!


We've always had female pilots - the metal kit came with this second variant.

   
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No idea what you guys smoking, but the limited edition cover art almost sold me the box alone.

That's art with thought invoking atmosphere. Regular codex is just "cool".
   
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Is it just me or does valorous heart seem quite op?
6 fnp and the option to ignore - 1 and - 2 quite easily armywide?
   
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It requires huddling up around Imagifiers to do that, and characters are rather easy to kill at the moment.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how back in Bulletin #17 we were told all about how penitent engines was apparently deliberately minimalist with no decoration... and then the studio mortifier is painted with a load of gilded bling on it.


Mortifier isn’t a Penitent Engine


What is the lore behind that anyway?
It looks like a penitent engine variant, but its too shooty and ornate for that?

Any pictures of Zephryim? Or are they just Seraphim with swords?

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Manous wrote:
Is it just me or does valorous heart seem quite op?
6 fnp and the option to ignore - 1 and - 2 quite easily armywide?


It seems a way to help to cope with the current meta, but it will only cut down on losses a bit. It is the only one that seems to recognize that 'like marines, but squishier' isn't a safe place to be at the moment.
As for 'OP,' not even close.
Sacred Rose seems to be going for the other end of things, accepting that the Sisters _will_ simply die, but limiting further morale losses.

But if you want to run an elite-heavy melee force, you're pretty much required to have a bloody rose, rather than a valorous heart.

Everyone else is dice juggling or Argent Shroud, trying to make shoot 'n' scoot work.

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 Kawauso wrote:
I'm really glad (and surprised) that I managed to nab a pre-order on an army box - but at the same time I like the cover illustration for the regular codex more, TBH.

Same, I'm tempted to try to find someone of the opposite opinion to do a codex exchange!

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Really GW? You got and make a new Sisters of Battle Codex and won't put a picture of the new Serephim in there, fill the book with pictures of the same 3 Seraphim minis (ie. the mono-pose ones from the Ltd. Ed. box) but then less than a week after it sells out instantly you are happy to show them off? What gives?

At least the Seraphim look good. And that Mortifier... wow. Those flails are going to be killing a lot of infantry.

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 Kawauso wrote:
I'm really glad (and surprised) that I managed to nab a pre-order on an army box - but at the same time I like the cover illustration for the regular codex more, TBH.


I was just thinking the same thing. But both are still really nice covers.

"Fear the cute ones." 
   
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Texas

Yes, both of the covers are appropriate...so much so that I will probably pick up the standard one and leave the "special edition" one on display in my bookshelf.

And I have come to the conclusion that I will paint each of my Sisters Manufacturers as different orders. Shieldwolf will be Valorous Heart, Raging Heroes will be Bloody Rose, and the actual GW ones will be based on my original sisters, Martyred Lady.

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