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Where is Kidkyoto with his review of codex Emo-marines. Lol those heads.

Otoh drum fed bolters are made of win. My first third edition Grey Hunter squads had lovingly converted drum fed bolters. Might have to get a couple of those sprues. Wish you could just purchase 10 of those bolters.

The IH sprue has bolt rifles with the assault bolt rifle ammo hopper and the scope of the sniper version-curious to see if this is a new option for IH or just a fancy bolt rifle.

I’ll admit, I think the Shrike head is silly. Chapter Master Hot Topic?!? It it wasn’t worth ten pages

Anyways, I am glad that GW is committing to it. One of those new RG heads looks exactly like Grima Wormtongue, so at least they are getting use from that 17 year old sculpt. Just kidding. It looks like Severus Snape’s younger, uglier brother.

And my prayers have finally been answered. Been hoping for a Iron Hands sprue for years, just to get some sweet bionic parts/limbs to sprinkle about my battle-hardened Astartes. Let’s see what we’re getting, shallow we? A single pointing arm. One.

But still, bits are bits.

Everything looks good in the upgrades. Good for IH and RG players.

I can't wait for the leaks for these two.

It looks like new supplements once a month or so, maybe?

Only thing I will be getting is two sets of Eliminators. IF/Sallies and El Camino release is going to be expensive.

Only two beakies per kit?

I would’ve been OK with 4 helmets and 2 (or none, really) bare heads.

 Alpharius wrote:
Only two beakies per kit?

I would’ve been OK with 4 helmets and 2 (or none, really) bare heads.

One per Sprue, just like all the other upgrade kits. Worst thing is they are just different enough from Mk VI Beakies that using the old ones won't look right.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Only two beakies per kit?

I would’ve been OK with 4 helmets and 2 (or none, really) bare heads.

One per Sprue, just like all the other upgrade kits. Worst thing is they are just different enough from Mk VI Beakies that using the old ones won't look right.

the old ones don't really fit anyway, (the high collar prevents it) so the new beaky helm was a purposeful redesign. that said I'm sure you could make a mold with one of the heads easily eneugh

I'm not 100% clear on this, but what makes this new Beakie helmet fit the Primaris armour?

It seems to be the neck and the 'ears'.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm not 100% clear on this, but what makes this new Beakie helmet fit the Primaris armour?

the neck raises the head eneugh that it can go over the gorget presumably.

So going by the release for other chapters, when the Black Templar’s drop it’s a safe bet that we are looking at maybe a Primaris size emperors champion and upgrade pack.

Hope they don’t stop the chapter upgrade box that’s already out as it’s not a bad box .

 xKillGorex wrote:
So going by the release for other chapters, when the Black Templar’s drop it’s a safe bet that we are looking at maybe a Primaris size emperors champion and upgrade pack.

Hope they don’t stop the chapter upgrade box that’s already out as it’s not a bad box .

well a primarisized character of some type. Black templars have a number of (absolutely AWESOME) characters to choose from.

The Iron Hands upgrade is fantastic. Could have had more bionics, but I've always wondered about the logistics of bionics that, for some reason, don't fit under the power armour anyway.... (yes, I know it's because it looks cool). But the shoulder pads and heads and other little bits and pieces are great. Just what I needed for my new Primaris force.

Given that the existing Marine heads (Beakies notwithstanding) fit with Primaris Marines, surely that means they work the other way around?

I ask because a few of those Iron Hands heads would look great on a few Iron Hand Deathwatch Marines.

 ekwatts wrote:
The Iron Hands upgrade is fantastic. Could have had more bionics, but I've always wondered about the logistics of bionics that, for some reason, don't fit under the power armour anyway.... (yes, I know it's because it looks cool).

There's a conversation between Arkhan Land - the Techno-archaeologist that recovered STC like the Land Speeder and Land Raider - and Zephon - a Blood Angel with two bionic arms - about this subject in the Master of Mankind novel. Zephon explains that the primary reason that bionics are not covered by power armour is how bionics fail to interface with power armour. But that there's also an element of inspirational pride in the practice, to present them as invincible, enduring warriors to their enemies, to show that they overcome their wounds and fight on in the Emperor's name.

This goes doubly so for Iron Hands of course, who even replace perfectly fine tissue with bionics like the AdMech do.

BrianDavion wrote:

 xKillGorex wrote:
So going by the release for other chapters, when the Black Templar’s drop it’s a safe bet that we are looking at maybe a Primaris size emperors champion and upgrade pack.

Hope they don’t stop the chapter upgrade box that’s already out as it’s not a bad box .

well a primarisized character of some type. Black templars have a number of (absolutely AWESOME) characters to choose from.

I believe the Emperor's champion would be an ideal candidate A) from lore, the EC is literally whichever guy had a vision the night before battle B) They have a fantastic model but in finecast, so to be replaced with a plastic Primaris would be excellent.

That said, from lore it would mean neglecting to don the Armour of Faith but then again, Korsarro Khan just up and trashed his Moondrakken relic bike so I dount GW care about that

Maybe. But I could also see Emperor's Champion turning from a model into a strat, similar to Lone Wolves, and GW doing Grimaldus or so. Or even nothing at all, if they stick to "one primarified Character per Supplement" and do Lysander instead.

It definitely feels like an error to have only included one beakie helmet on the Raven Guard sprue in favour of two unhelmeted heads tbh.

 Deadshot wrote:
I believe the Emperor's champion would be an ideal candidate A) from lore, the EC is literally whichever guy had a vision the night before battle B) They have a fantastic model but in finecast, so to be replaced with a plastic Primaris would be excellent.

That would suck though.

Imagine you're a Black Templar. You've been on a near-constant crusade for the past 250 years. You have had to replace the chains that hold your weapons to your armour dozens of times after they got so gunked up with gore and viscera that no amount of cleaning would help. You've worn the teeth out on more Chainswords than you can count. The brass from the bolt pistol rounds you fired could cover the floors of the Emperor's palace twice over.

And then here comes this giganto-Marine who's been in stasis for 10,000 years, has never seen a real fight in his life, and he got a vision from the Emperor and gets the sword? WTF???

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
I believe the Emperor's champion would be an ideal candidate A) from lore, the EC is literally whichever guy had a vision the night before battle B) They have a fantastic model but in finecast, so to be replaced with a plastic Primaris would be excellent.

That would suck though.

Imagine you're a Black Templar. You've been on a near-constant crusade for the past 250 years. You have had to replace the chains that hold your weapons to your armour dozens of times after they got so gunked up with gore and viscera that no amount of cleaning would help. You've worn the teeth out on more Chainswords than you can count. The brass from the bolt pistol rounds you fired could cover the floors of the Emperor's palace twice over.

And then here comes this giganto-Marine who's been in stasis for 10,000 years, has never seen a real fight in his life, and he got a vision from the Emperor and gets the sword? WTF???

We're well into a solid hundred and many more years of Primaris crusading around the galaxy. Short of an Emperor's Champ with a Dante-lifespan, any Primaris Emperors Champion may well be as grizzled and crusade-scarred as any non-Primaris Emperor's Champ was in the 6th or 7th Ed. timeline.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
I believe the Emperor's champion would be an ideal candidate A) from lore, the EC is literally whichever guy had a vision the night before battle B) They have a fantastic model but in finecast, so to be replaced with a plastic Primaris would be excellent.

That would suck though.

Imagine you're a Black Templar. You've been on a near-constant crusade for the past 250 years. You have had to replace the chains that hold your weapons to your armour dozens of times after they got so gunked up with gore and viscera that no amount of cleaning would help. You've worn the teeth out on more Chainswords than you can count. The brass from the bolt pistol rounds you fired could cover the floors of the Emperor's palace twice over.

And then here comes this giganto-Marine who's been in stasis for 10,000 years, has never seen a real fight in his life, and he got a vision from the Emperor and gets the sword? WTF???

Weight classes exist for a reason.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
I believe the Emperor's champion would be an ideal candidate A) from lore, the EC is literally whichever guy had a vision the night before battle B) They have a fantastic model but in finecast, so to be replaced with a plastic Primaris would be excellent.

That would suck though.

Imagine you're a Black Templar. You've been on a near-constant crusade for the past 250 years. You have had to replace the chains that hold your weapons to your armour dozens of times after they got so gunked up with gore and viscera that no amount of cleaning would help. You've worn the teeth out on more Chainswords than you can count. The brass from the bolt pistol rounds you fired could cover the floors of the Emperor's palace twice over.

And then here comes this giganto-Marine who's been in stasis for 10,000 years, has never seen a real fight in his life, and he got a vision from the Emperor and gets the sword? WTF???

To be fair, that could happen with or without Primaris involved. Anyone from High Marshall Helbrecht himself rim down to the lowliest Initiate could receive the vision. The BT are religious AF, they aren't going to question the Emperor's infinite wisdom.

 Deadshot wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
I believe the Emperor's champion would be an ideal candidate A) from lore, the EC is literally whichever guy had a vision the night before battle B) They have a fantastic model but in finecast, so to be replaced with a plastic Primaris would be excellent.

That would suck though.

Imagine you're a Black Templar. You've been on a near-constant crusade for the past 250 years. You have had to replace the chains that hold your weapons to your armour dozens of times after they got so gunked up with gore and viscera that no amount of cleaning would help. You've worn the teeth out on more Chainswords than you can count. The brass from the bolt pistol rounds you fired could cover the floors of the Emperor's palace twice over.

And then here comes this giganto-Marine who's been in stasis for 10,000 years, has never seen a real fight in his life, and he got a vision from the Emperor and gets the sword? WTF???

To be fair, that could happen with or without Primaris involved. Anyone from High Marshall Helbrecht himself rim down to the lowliest Initiate could receive the vision. The BT are religious AF, they aren't going to question the Emperor's infinite wisdom.

And easily could spawn schisms?

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Maybe. But I could also see Emperor's Champion turning from a model into a strat, similar to Lone Wolves, and GW doing Grimaldus or so. Or even nothing at all, if they stick to "one primarified Character per Supplement" and do Lysander instead.

That's assuming that Black Templars and Crimson Fists will be rolled into the Imperial Fist supplement. I mean, BT are guarenteed their own book considering they got unique rules for the last 3 editions/4 codexes, but the Crimson Fists are also getting their own tactics in 8th V2 as opposed to just using Imperial Fists as per, say, 6-7th ed.

As if Shrike's head wasn't bad enough.. Another good example of why you should always have helmets on 100% of your marines (Not to mention they're soldiers, and they should be in protective gear all the time!)

 The Phazer wrote:
It definitely feels like an error to have only included one beakie helmet on the Raven Guard sprue in favour of two unhelmeted heads tbh.

Given the association of the Corvus helmet with Raven Guard you might think so, but I very much doubt that on GW's part that was anything but a calculated move. How would you know that Shrike's new hair is not a personal choice but the new (visual) identity of the Raven Guard without access to enough bare heads to become an easily visible, widespread feature in your army?

 Geifer wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
It definitely feels like an error to have only included one beakie helmet on the Raven Guard sprue in favour of two unhelmeted heads tbh.

Given the association of the Corvus helmet with Raven Guard you might think so, but I very much doubt that on GW's part that was anything but a calculated move. How would you know that Shrike's new hair is not a personal choice but the new (visual) identity of the Raven Guard without access to enough bare heads to become an easily visible, widespread feature in your army?

The helmet is intended for 'officers'.

Skull on the helmet=Sergeant, Veteran Sergeant, Lieutenant, or Captains--apparently.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

We're well into a solid hundred and many more years of Primaris crusading around the galaxy. Short of an Emperor's Champ with a Dante-lifespan, any Primaris Emperors Champion may well be as grizzled and crusade-scarred as any non-Primaris Emperor's Champ was in the 6th or 7th Ed. timeline.

Yep. And of course if that old veteran could have gotten a Primaris upgrade via Rubicon.

 Crimson wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

We're well into a solid hundred and many more years of Primaris crusading around the galaxy. Short of an Emperor's Champ with a Dante-lifespan, any Primaris Emperors Champion may well be as grizzled and crusade-scarred as any non-Primaris Emperor's Champ was in the 6th or 7th Ed. timeline.

Yep. And of course if that old veteran could have gotten a Primaris upgrade via Rubicon.

And the Awoken aren't just initiates that were frozen. Some of them are veterans of the Great Crusade and the Heresy.

The new primaris liutenant is already the emperors champion, more or less.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Lieutenant-With-Power-Sword-2019