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2019/09/16 14:27:20
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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 Jidmah wrote: buddha wrote: AduroT wrote:
Make him Gravis for T7, and take the relic for -1 to wound him.
Geeze, he has the literal stat-line of a tank.
Dreadnought. Salamander Dreadnought Captain. Didn't they have something like that in the past?
Not a Captain I don’t think, but there is a Forgeworld character dread for Salamanders. It’s on my list of things to convert, but I need to modify a Redemptor fist to be right handed.
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2019/09/16 17:37:01
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Been Around the Block
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Those leaks look pretty heavily edited to my, albeit untrained, eye. Like point costs are missing for some reason and no primaris character unless I missed something. Also the big old clickbait watermark on the images makes me somewhat suspicious.
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2019/09/16 17:42:26
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Dracarys wrote:Those leaks look pretty heavily edited to my, albeit untrained, eye. Like point costs are missing for some reason and no primaris character unless I missed something. Also the big old clickbait watermark on the images makes me somewhat suspicious.
Bob, the guy from War of Sigmar who posted them, said he was sent the images and that he personally removed the point costs.
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2019/09/16 17:45:53
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Been Around the Block
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That doesn't make me less suspicious. Why include those calculations and scrub the point costs from the images?
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2019/09/16 18:06:24
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Dracarys wrote:That doesn't make me less suspicious. Why include those calculations and scrub the point costs from the images?
I'm with you there. The biggest red flag for me is that lack of Primaris Character. It wouldn't fit the pattern. Iron Hands got an all new Character just to fit the bill. While I'd like it to be Vulkan He'stan, I guess it would be ok to be some rando-Captain, but the photo mysterious cuts off before seeing if Ardax has the Primaris keyword (though he likely does considering his increased W & A) -
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2019/09/16 18:08:39
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Because This is most likely a playtest version and GW could trace it back to the leaker if they knew that this was playtest version 3 when the pets of such and such were x.
GW also puts things in their playtest versions that allow them to see if a specific set get leaked. Could be a deliberate typo, etc
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2019/09/16 18:14:45
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Bra'yarth Ashmantle is a FW Dred HQ. not sure if you could make him S8T9 tho.
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2019/09/16 18:15:36
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Regular Dakkanaut
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First leaked Salamander character got 6W - je must be primaris imo
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/09/16 18:15:58
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2019/09/16 20:27:57
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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 Mr.T wrote:First leaked Salamander character got 6W - je must be primaris imo
he's a new character he'll be primaris for sure.
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/09/16 20:31:46
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Hallowed Canoness
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AduroT wrote:
Make him Gravis for T7, and take the relic for -1 to wound him.
That's beyond ridiculous, this is stupid GW!
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 |
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2019/09/16 20:52:03
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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BrianDavion wrote: Mr.T wrote:First leaked Salamander character got 6W - je must be primaris imo
he's a new character he'll be primaris for sure.
But why? Iron Hands got a new primaris character because they had no named character before. Salamanders only have Vulkan, so he should have been Primarized. Just like Shrike and Khan.
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2019/09/16 20:56:16
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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Sometimes they update existing characters, sometimes they introduce new ones. That's always been GW's way.
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2019/09/16 20:58:19
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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It may well be as simple as GW looking at Vulkan and saying "ya know the minis aged so well I don't think we can really improve him much by making him Primaris"
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/09/16 21:08:52
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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That, or He'stan that he would stay a 'relic' so long as he is hunting for them!
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 warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
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2019/09/16 21:39:25
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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BrianDavion wrote:It may well be as simple as GW looking at Vulkan and saying "ya know the minis aged so well I don't think we can really improve him much by making him Primaris"
However good the model is, it's 'Fine'cast, so sooner or later it will either be replaced with plastic or quietly go away.
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2019/09/16 21:54:26
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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 insaniak wrote:BrianDavion wrote:It may well be as simple as GW looking at Vulkan and saying "ya know the minis aged so well I don't think we can really improve him much by making him Primaris"
However good the model is, it's 'Fine'cast, so sooner or later it will either be replaced with plastic or quietly go away.
maybe they are upgrading him to plastic?
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2019/09/16 22:03:09
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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No, because then he would have become a primaris.
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2019/09/16 22:46:50
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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not necessarily
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2019/09/16 23:37:07
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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I'm surprised they aren't making him Primaris. Him and Kantor.
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2019/09/16 23:53:20
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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2019/09/17 05:14:14
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah a 5" moving character like that is sooooooo stupid?
Who cares he's not going to do anything.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
 jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
 vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
 MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
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2019/09/17 05:41:41
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm surprised they aren't making him Primaris. Him and Kantor.
Because sculptors just made a different mini. Simples.
Sculptors at GW do their thing. Making the rules and background match isn't their job. And people who do those jobs are quite a bit further down the foodchain at GW.
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2019/09/17 07:09:00
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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A t7 gravis captain has 7 wounds and a 4+ invul. At -1 to wound, anything s8 or better will wound him on 4's.
While tough, he only has a power fist and a power sword with slightly more damage. That's it, and you're spending your relic and warlord trait to make him more survivable, but not more killy.
A smash captain will destroy him the same way a smash captain destroys anything, and will probably be cheaper in points, more mobile, and more flexible. A smash captain taking those relics or warlord traits will be wasted because you want relics and warlord traits that increase his damage, not his defense.
While it makes for some amazing fluffy units and super tough stuff, I don't see it changing the meta at all.
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2019/09/17 09:09:18
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yeah a 5" moving character like that is sooooooo stupid?
Who cares he's not going to do anything.
Did you know orks can have a 4+/5++/T8 warlord that can move 20" and then charge?
Though so. That's how awesome addition toughness traits on characters with less than 10 wounds are 
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2019/09/17 10:22:55
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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drbored wrote:A t7 gravis captain has 7 wounds and a 4+ invul. At -1 to wound, anything s8 or better will wound him on 4's.
While tough, he only has a power fist and a power sword with slightly more damage. That's it, and you're spending your relic and warlord trait to make him more survivable, but not more killy.
A smash captain will destroy him the same way a smash captain destroys anything, and will probably be cheaper in points, more mobile, and more flexible. A smash captain taking those relics or warlord traits will be wasted because you want relics and warlord traits that increase his damage, not his defense.
While it makes for some amazing fluffy units and super tough stuff, I don't see it changing the meta at all.
That’s why you also use the Stratagem that lets him have two Warlord Traits so he can also be Strength 6, swinging around a Strength 12 Powerfist!
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2019/09/17 11:23:40
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Because S12 helps in any way?
Wait, it doesn't.
Only if you're getting 14, then we could talk about it.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/09/17 11:29:39
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Let the codex marine players experiment with all the traits that everyone else already isn't using
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2019/09/17 11:36:41
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Jidmah wrote:Let the codex marine players experiment with all the traits that everyone else already isn't using
He, i would be happy to have traits, like, at all for my main army, like i used to have.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/09/17 12:15:51
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Not Online!!! wrote: Jidmah wrote:Let the codex marine players experiment with all the traits that everyone else already isn't using
He, i would be happy to have traits, like, at all for my main army, like i used to have.
Before the ork codex was released, marine players used to tell me " BRB traits aren't terrible".
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2019/09/17 12:56:20
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull - UPDATED OP 6.9.19
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Jidmah wrote:Not Online!!! wrote: Jidmah wrote:Let the codex marine players experiment with all the traits that everyone else already isn't using
He, i would be happy to have traits, like, at all for my main army, like i used to have.
Before the ork codex was released, marine players used to tell me " BRB traits aren't terrible".
I hope you replied by asking them why they wouldn't use them then
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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