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2019/12/01 22:11:18
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Honestly,i can't understand half the changes.
Take the leman russ f.e , the Tank is a victim from the meta delievered by the existence of knights, also conparatively few shots mean that the more accurate commander is still imo the way to go.
Astropaths got a pricecut, yet worthless malefics still cost 80 pts...
Dropping all csm PA and infantry more or less, whilest nice feels Like a bandaid, a bandaid that will lead to issues sooner or later.
Fw seems untouched generally, and most was allready preety bad,which means that it is even worse now.
Orkz get fixed buyggies i guess.
Generally too much price cutting too few propper fixes.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/12/02 00:12:59
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Rydria wrote: Sersi wrote: Rydria wrote:Noise Marines 13pts, blaster master 12 pts, doom siren 8, sonic blaster 4pts.
Not that I'm surprised, but GW is still way over valuing ignore cover. A storm-bolter or combi-bolter are only 2 pts, and with bolter discipline better options. While an Auto Bolt Rifle with the same profile as a Sonic Blaster costs only 1 pt.
Sonic Blaster I felt should have been 2 points, perhaps they kept it at 4pts due to the stratagem.
But if you compare sonic blaster armed noise marines to auto bolt rifle armed primeris, the noise marines cost more but have 1 less wound in exchange for music of the apocalypse, i'm not sure it is worth it. But the squads i was using got a 36pts discount so I can't really complain about that now it makes them substantially better than they where before.
Marshal Loss wrote: Rydria wrote:Noise Marines 13pts, blaster master 12pts, doom siren 8, sonic blaster 4pts.
Now they just need to get off their asses and release a new Noise Marine kit
Definitely the upgrade sprue doesn't even fit on the current generation of models, let alone how out of date those upgrade kits even are .
The upgrade kit fits just fine on the newer Chaos Marines, at least all 3 of mine did.
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2019/12/02 02:27:49
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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Sounds about right for a GW points costing..
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2019/12/02 02:45:37
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Big Mek in Kustom Dragster with Soopa-Gun
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its GW. The only point changes that make sense are ones that can potentially boost sales. Take my buggies for example. Im the ONLY ork player in my area (out of 6) that bought any, the others wouldnt touch them not even the wartrike for that charge aura. I 100% believe they only dropped so drastically because they sold like piss and they knew people loved the models so if they made the points less we'd buy them. Doesnt help the Snazzwagon or Squigbuggy, those two are unplayable by design and no point drop will fix that w/o being silly cheap (were talking ~55pts for a snazzwagon cheap, which is way too cheap for that many wounds) Meanwhile, the Stompa which is disgustingly overpriced, got a slap in the face 50pt reduction. The thing we orks have had for eons and probably wont buy more, so they dont care if the rules for it are good or not...wont affect their sales anyway. I wish CA would also improve dataslates not just points...theres quite a few units not just in my 2 armies that are just...awful and the points arent the reason why. Adjusting rules should be the easy part of a wargame anyway.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/12/02 02:47:10
An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang.
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys |
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2019/12/02 02:59:22
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The new missions as usual are another huge step in the right direction, in particular the maelstrom ones.
At this point i could even prefer them to eternal war for tournaments packs.
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2019/12/02 04:05:46
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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One would think that making the rules for the game better overall would get more fresh blood and untapped incomes into the game... Instead of just beefing up new models to sell new ones...
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Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. -Kurt Vonnegut |
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2019/12/02 06:38:14
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Interesting that CA19 now has rules for Sealed Fronteris Structures. Wonder if people actually switch over to those for "un-ruined", "not-full-of-holes" buildings instead of the ruins-rules.
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2019/12/02 07:18:57
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Not Online!!! wrote:Honestly,i can't understand half the changes.
Take the leman russ f.e , the Tank is a victim from the meta delievered by the existence of knights, also conparatively few shots mean that the more accurate commander is still imo the way to go.
Astropaths got a pricecut, yet worthless malefics still cost 80 pts...
Dropping all csm PA and infantry more or less, whilest nice feels Like a bandaid, a bandaid that will lead to issues sooner or later.
Fw seems untouched generally, and most was allready preety bad,which means that it is even worse now.
Orkz get fixed buyggies i guess.
Generally too much price cutting too few propper fixes.
So modus operandi as usual for GW. The changes aren't meant to balance the game.
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109 |
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2019/12/02 07:21:48
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Sunny Side Up wrote:Interesting that CA19 now has rules for Sealed Fronteris Structures. Wonder if people actually switch over to those for "un-ruined", "not-full-of-holes" buildings instead of the ruins-rules.
new line of terrain coming up do ya figure?
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/12/02 08:04:54
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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BrianDavion wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:Interesting that CA19 now has rules for Sealed Fronteris Structures. Wonder if people actually switch over to those for "un-ruined", "not-full-of-holes" buildings instead of the ruins-rules.
new line of terrain coming up do ya figure?
I just want complete buildings to mildly ruin. not brand new, not shot/blown to gak, but lightly scarred.
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2019/12/02 08:19:49
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Racerguy180 wrote:BrianDavion wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:Interesting that CA19 now has rules for Sealed Fronteris Structures. Wonder if people actually switch over to those for "un-ruined", "not-full-of-holes" buildings instead of the ruins-rules.
new line of terrain coming up do ya figure?
I just want complete buildings to mildly ruin. not brand new, not shot/blown to gak, but lightly scarred.
I could get behind that, urban hab units with bullet holes and small shell holes rather then "... ok after a week of shelling move the infantry in"
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/12/02 08:21:00
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BrianDavion wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:Interesting that CA19 now has rules for Sealed Fronteris Structures. Wonder if people actually switch over to those for "un-ruined", "not-full-of-holes" buildings instead of the ruins-rules.
new line of terrain coming up do ya figure?
It has a picture in CA. I think it is the Necromunda stuff? Not sure. Anyhow, an "enclosed building" and/or "bunker-style" building (without being the actual old fortification bunker) without lots of holes and see-through windows in the style of GW ruins.
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2019/12/02 09:26:18
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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The Sector Fronteris stuff is from Kill Team:
You can make enclosed buildings with it like the top left one.
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2019/12/02 09:55:09
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you follow GW tournament packet, completely closed floor levels are impassable terrain.
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2019/12/02 10:06:20
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Spoletta wrote:If you follow GW tournament packet, completely closed floor levels are impassable terrain.
They are. But especially in the states, few play it that way and allow infantry to move through closed walls as "pseudo"-ruins, in a way (which in turn leads to "magic boxes" if non-ruined walls make up all 4 walls of a building).
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2019/12/02 11:05:35
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Redemption wrote:The Sector Fronteris stuff is from Kill Team:
You can make enclosed buildings with it like the top left one.
hmm not avaliable anymore? damn a shame
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/12/02 13:03:35
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Sunny Side Up wrote:Spoletta wrote:If you follow GW tournament packet, completely closed floor levels are impassable terrain.
They are. But especially in the states, few play it that way and allow infantry to move through closed walls as "pseudo"-ruins, in a way (which in turn leads to "magic boxes" if non-ruined walls make up all 4 walls of a building).
GW way seems eminently less prone to cause problems.
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2019/12/02 13:20:17
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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BrianDavion wrote: Redemption wrote:The Sector Fronteris stuff is from Kill Team:
You can make enclosed buildings with it like the top left one.
hmm not avaliable anymore? damn a shame
It came with the GSC set and Kellermorph. That Kill Team is no longer available, but given how desirable the Kellermorph was...I'd say it would be stuff we'll see next year again.
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2019/12/02 13:22:55
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I don't mind the point drops.
I can appreciate the concerns, I really can and in most cases I also agree that rather than devalue units, increase the value of others or re-balance the rules is a much better approach. I also understand that fundamental changes to problem units don't happen quickly, especially with such a critical community with a passionate flair for competition (I mean, dota 2, for example gets 1 major update a year? We're getting multiple). I won't pretend to know GW's development method (or lack thereof) but if there's any good with this it's that I can now use MORE of my models in the average game and i'm happy for that. A rumoured 20pt drop to Obliterators? A drop in pts for The Deceiver and Tyrannofex? Bloodthirster at 210? Abaddon at 220/230? Bring it on.
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2019/12/02 13:51:22
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Kanluwen wrote:BrianDavion wrote: Redemption wrote:The Sector Fronteris stuff is from Kill Team:
You can make enclosed buildings with it like the top left one.
hmm not avaliable anymore? damn a shame
It came with the GSC set and Kellermorph. That Kill Team is no longer available, but given how desirable the Kellermorph was...I'd say it would be stuff we'll see next year again.
I don't think it did. I bought that set, and there's no floor, only the walls.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2019/12/02 13:55:34
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I thought it came with that Kill Team?
I can't find it to check, but it was definitely around that time. Was it the Frontieris killscape?
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2019/12/02 14:23:34
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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Kanluwen wrote:I thought it came with that Kill Team?
I can't find it to check, but it was definitely around that time. Was it the Frontieris killscape?
It was Sector Fronteris. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Something curious I just noticed - there is a points entry for the Ork "Big Mek with Kustom Force Field". However, there is no datasheet with that name! There is the old "Big Mek" from the Index, and the Big Mek in Mega Armour can also be given a KFF, but that is listed separately. So I wonder if they are planning to bring back the old Kustom Force Field (non-megarmour) Big Mek model?
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2019/12/02 14:28:55
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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i'd hope so for orkzs sake.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/12/02 14:29:18
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/12/02 14:36:47
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Kanluwen wrote:I thought it came with that Kill Team?
I can't find it to check, but it was definitely around that time. Was it the Frontieris killscape?
The Sector Frontieris killzone (that included the full building) was released at the same time as the Genestealer Cult box with the Kellermorph, and that box contained an extra sprue of ruined walls. But they were two different boxes.
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2019/12/02 16:35:31
Subject: Chapter Approved 2019
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Voss wrote:So, Chapter Approve brings yet more updated daemon datasheets and something that seems to be actual (experimental) terrain rules. Shocked, me.
As far as I can tell, what they did with the scenery and demon data sheets was reprint everything in CA 2018, and add whatever had been released or updated since then. I know those scenery rules all looked similar with some rearrangement of the order they were listed in.
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2019/12/02 21:33:27
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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I'm still trying to figure out why almost every low got a points drop except the hellforged/relic ones.
I mean seriously the baneblade gets a drop but not the fellblade? And the fw excuse doesn't work because they dropped the fething astreus.
Of course that was probably in order to give a viable low option to all those underperforming mono sm armies.
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2019/12/02 21:46:17
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Honestly, a lot of the Ork stuff can be summed up as "we didn't sell as many of those buggies as we wanted".
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
30K 2500 pts |
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2019/12/02 21:49:20
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Gadzilla666 wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why almost every low got a points drop except the hellforged/relic ones.
I mean seriously the baneblade gets a drop but not the fellblade? And the fw excuse doesn't work because they dropped the fething astreus.
Of course that was probably in order to give a viable low option to all those underperforming mono sm armies.
Because helforged are "classic" FW units, and these got no attention what-so-ever.
You can look euqally at FW tau units for example, no changes at all.
Anything that didn't come down by demand from GW "proper" got nothing-they are mostly fething index rules STILL. and many makes no sense rulewise.
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can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. |
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2019/12/02 22:22:36
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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casvalremdeikun wrote:Honestly, a lot of the Ork stuff can be summed up as "we didn't sell as many of those buggies as we wanted".
So i am not the only one thinking that
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/12/02 22:51:23
Subject: Re:Chapter Approved 2019
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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8 BoomWolf wrote:Gadzilla666 wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why almost every low got a points drop except the hellforged/relic ones.
I mean seriously the baneblade gets a drop but not the fellblade? And the fw excuse doesn't work because they dropped the fething astreus.
Of course that was probably in order to give a viable low option to all those underperforming mono sm armies.
Because helforged are "classic" FW units, and these got no attention what-so-ever.
You can look euqally at FW tau units for example, no changes at all.
Anything that didn't come down by demand from GW "proper" got nothing-they are mostly fething index rules STILL. and many makes no sense rulewise.
Even those super riptide things? Those are the only tau models I like. Would love to see more of those on the table.
I've noticed the whole "classic " fw not getting anything as well. Think maybe they're planning on redoing the ia books? They're getting pretty long in the tooth. Loads of errata and faqs.
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