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2021/09/15 20:57:08
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
Back in my day censorship was stuff like, "you can't show this on TV because of subversive elements!" or "you can't say that on the radio because of subversive elements!" or "you can't publish that book because of subversive elements!".
Now it seems like "Maybe Tiktaq'to could be named something else a little more respectful to the culture the faction they belong to borrows so heavily from?" qualifies as censorship!
I'm not saying it should be censored, I'm just saying it should be put where it belongs - in a database of bad jokes. That way people could still see it! That's the opposite of censorship, even!
NinthMusketeer wrote: The setting where either pole literally crosses over into a plane of raw magic where everything exists only as a perverse reflection of the mortal psyche, where armies of daemons, undead, tree people, raging fungusmen, and more see battle regularly. The setting where city-sized ships roam the seas, where an immense living crater serves as the god for an entire race, where toadmen tens of millennia old direct armies of lizard folk who spawn from pools of liquid, where rat men shoot lightning from crystals, where plate armored superhumans ride flying discs into combat...
But yeah, hot air balloons with guns and floating rocks.
B-b-b-but ranks of infantry fighting with steel are gritty...
Goose LeChance wrote: I don't understand why they're releasing another expansion for Diablo 3
Diablo 4.
2021/09/15 21:03:01
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
chaos0xomega wrote: We've already had that dialogue. Theres plenty of it online, search around for "Sum Ting Wong", "Ho Lee Fuk", "Cream of Sum Yung Gai", "Ching Chong"/"Ching Chang Chong", etc. and you can find plenty of discussion and discourse about how and why its offensive, some of it pretty well researched and going back into history like 100+ years discussing how these sorts of phrases and similar were used to alienate, initmidate, and oppress asian immigrants, etc (especially that last one - ching chong has a long history of problems behind it, going back to early 20th century at least where it was used in a literal nursery rhyme : "Ching Chong, Chinaman, Sitting on a wall. Along came a white man, and chopped off his tail" other variants with "And chopped his head off", etc.). You can read plenty of thoughts from other Chinese (as well as other asian ethnicities that were mislabeled as Chinese) about why its a problem or how they are personally hurt by it.
Drop the virtue signaling nonsense. Its not the "I win" button that you seem to think it is. As someone who is latino I've taken my fair share of verbal abuse about my ethnicity, heritage, and culture. I don't suffer it to be done to myself or my people, I'm not going to suffer it be done to others either, even if there are individuals who don't mind it. While I'm not Mexican (or for that matter, mesoamerican), I am of Taino (carribean native) heritage and I can say it would be incredibly insulting to see my own heritage - which was basically driven to extinction by Europeans - treated in such a manner. Likewise, I know quite a few people who are of mesoamerican descent (primarily Mayan, but I know a few Nahua as well), and this is the kind of gak that would absolutely hurt and/or piss off most of them if they came across it. They have a long and proud history which was basically obliterated by white dudes who felt entitled to do whatever they wanted with their land and culture, and now all thats left of it is are ruins and gakky "jokes" made by butchering their ancestral language? Puh-lease.
Likewise, "YoU cHoOsE tO bE oFfEnDeD" is a load of bs that people use to absolve themselves of accountability, ownership, and and responsibility for their own gakky actions and behaviors. You cannot control your emotions (unless you're a sociopath), you do not choose to be hurt or decide what your emotional response to what someone else says to you is. If something is going to hurt or offend you, its going to hurt or offend you - there is no choice to be made there. What you do have a choice in is what you do with that hurt. The whole "you choose to be offended" meme comes from a speech given by Elder David Bednar of the Church of Jesis Christ and Latter Day Saints (i.e. Mormons) - the point he was making wasn't "make a choice not to have hurt feelings", it was "make a chocie about how you respond when your feelings are hurt" - in this context "being offended" is not referring to a state of being or an emotional response, its referring to the actions you take when you suffer that emotional response. The main point of "choosing not to be offended" was to not allow the hurt that others caused you to continue to harm you after the fact, with the specific example being people who were offended by the words or actions of other parishioners and choosing not to go to church in order to avoid encountering them again. Choosing not to be offended meant meant going to church anyway so you could enjoy the gospel or whatever in community with your loved ones, even in spite of being hurt by others present with you. As it stands, the chocie being made when people speak out against something they find offensive is the choice to fight back against an attacker rather than being a victim.
Even if you could choose to control your emotions - that would be a value judgement that needs to be made by an inidvidual, not something you get to dictate to them and dismiss as over-sensitivity, etc. If they chose to be offended by something, then that would be a valid choice which you would have to respect and take responsibility for.
Sure hope people won't mind me calling doom divers World Trade Fliers from now on, after all it's just a funny name.
I said/did something along those lines to someone who was once a very good friend last year to prove a point (no longer on speaking terms as a result). He's basically the poster boy for "feth your feelings" and "YoU cHoOsE tO bE oFfEnDeD". Believe me when I tell you that he could not have touched the proverbial pearls any tighter if he tried. I have never seen *anyone* get (or maybe it would be better to say "choose to be") that offended and riled up so quickly, nor had I ever seen him attempt to resort to physical violence against someone - and the two of us had seen quite a bit of gak together. The great irony in all this is that I had a front row seat to the events of 9/11 from my 7th grade classroom window and lost family and friends in the attacks. He was on the other side of the country and watched it on tv.
Just goes to show you the people who blow off about choosing to be offended are full of hot air.
And there it is. It's not really about the people you claim to care about, its you projecting your own victim mentality onto the game and how it could be somehow construed as an attack on Mexican people. You assume some bizarre position of moral superiority and self-imposed defender position for something no one has even really raised as a problem besides yourself. You're not some kind of martyr for getting upset on other people's behalf and honestly its even more belittling when you're not even part of the group that's supposed to be offended. Has anyone before actually had an issue with the TikTaq,To name until you brought it up? The name has been in print since when WFB was still being supported back in 7th edition. I don't remember there being any moral outrage back then or now. I don't understand people who jump through hoops to find things to be upset about something so innocuous in a game. The self-righteousness that comes from fighting the perceived injustices from non-existent problems shows that the idea of the "white-man's burden" has managed to transmit over to other races fairly well.
Also, for what its worth, I would probably laugh if someone called their Doom Divers World Trade Fliers, I've always been partial to 9/11 jokes, I'm certain it would go over pretty well in some Middle Eastern countries too.
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2021/09/15 21:10:07
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
NinthMusketeer wrote: Cool stuff. Actually more grounded than I expected; it looks like the majority of units are human infantry of various armaments. And that is good, it fits WHFB. Plus more generic stuff is important because without that the special stuff ceases to be special.
But really I came here to drink the tears of the 'fantasy was gritty and realistic' crowd and there are disappointingly few. I was looking forward to more arguments of how giant constructs, dragons, and flying machines were out of place in a game THAT HAS HAD THOSE SINCE FIRST EDITION.
Sidenote, anyone can get offended by anything. Defining ones own behavior by trying to avoid offending a very extreme very slim minority of people simply isn't logical. Sometimes one slips up and does something that can reasonably called inappropriate and that's life. Everyone has done that at some point; we apologize, learn from it, and move on. If someone won't drop it make use of that ignore button. These days we can't count on the Dakka mods enforcing rule 1 so some degree of self-policing will inevitably be necessary.
Do you believe “sum ting wong” or, as suggested by another poster, “Ching chong”, would only offend an extreme very thin minority?
Polonius wrote: I find the desire to treat a dad joke name for a minor character as the pinnacle of western Civilization freaking hilarious.
It was a cringy pun at it's best, and can't see why anybody would object a new name that's not so obnoxious.
I mean pretty much all of the Lizardmen names are cringy puns, that's kind of the whole charm and character for when they were written, its not exclusive to TikTaq,To.
Lord Kroak - I mean its a dead frog, not the most subtle pun here lol.
Tenehuini, Prophet of Sotek - Teeny Weeny, another great pun
Kroq Gar - As in Kroq Gar Dile (Crocodile)
And then you have the dinobot references for some of the mounts they have.
It'd be the equivalent of changing the "OI YA GIT" Ork speech to regular Gothic because Orks are making fun/a reference to the football hooligans in Britain and that's offensive to them.
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2021/09/15 22:06:56
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
NinthMusketeer wrote: Cool stuff. Actually more grounded than I expected; it looks like the majority of units are human infantry of various armaments. And that is good, it fits WHFB. Plus more generic stuff is important because without that the special stuff ceases to be special.
But really I came here to drink the tears of the 'fantasy was gritty and realistic' crowd and there are disappointingly few. I was looking forward to more arguments of how giant constructs, dragons, and flying machines were out of place in a game THAT HAS HAD THOSE SINCE FIRST EDITION.
Sidenote, anyone can get offended by anything. Defining ones own behavior by trying to avoid offending a very extreme very slim minority of people simply isn't logical. Sometimes one slips up and does something that can reasonably called inappropriate and that's life. Everyone has done that at some point; we apologize, learn from it, and move on. If someone won't drop it make use of that ignore button. These days we can't count on the Dakka mods enforcing rule 1 so some degree of self-policing will inevitably be necessary.
Do you believe “sum ting wong” or, as suggested by another poster, “Ching chong”, would only offend an extreme very thin minority?
Are those names in the game?
This was a conversation about whether or not they should be. Whether the kinds of humor that flew inthe 80’s and 90’s would fly today.
I suppose we should just consider it a win that the faction representing an Asian culture is human.
Las wrote: I'm confused. Is there actually anything wrong with the names in the game or are we arguing about Sum Ting Wong just as its own concept for some reason?
It's pretty much one person having a personal incoherent rant about an issue that doesn't exist - neither Cathayn lord has an offensive name. What we've seen of the Cathayan army thus far is respectful of Chinese culture. There is nothing to be offended by - other than the desire to be offended.
God I hope GW releases some actual images of TOW miniatutres/details on the game soon. I can't wait until people on here start whinging about how GW has killed WHFB all over again rather than ridiculous arguments over 10mm scale, people unable to read between the obvious lines in official statements (whether there will be Cathay minis, square bases), resin or not and non racist names.
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2021/09/15 22:10:41
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
As for your analogy, there’s a big difference in context you are ignoring. If England had the same prior relationship with soccer hooligans that it did with China, you probably would see calls not to portray them so much as dumb, aggressive primitives.
Las wrote: I'm confused. Is there actually anything wrong with the names in the game or are we arguing about Sum Ting Wong just as its own concept for some reason?
It's pretty much one person having a personal incoherent rant about an issue that doesn't exist - neither Cathayn lord has an offensive name. What we've seen of the Cathayan army thus far is respectful of Chinese culture. There is nothing to be offended by - other than the desire to be offended..
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This is a disingenuous read of the situation. His post was in response to multiple other posters calling for such “funny” names to be added to Cathay. There was one poster literally demanding the names be offensive.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: As for your analogy, there’s a big difference in context you are ignoring. If England had the same prior relationship with soccer hooligans that it did with China, you probably would see calls not to portray them so much as dumb, aggressive primitives.
Las wrote: I'm confused. Is there actually anything wrong with the names in the game or are we arguing about Sum Ting Wong just as its own concept for some reason?
It's pretty much one person having a personal incoherent rant about an issue that doesn't exist - neither Cathayn lord has an offensive name. What we've seen of the Cathayan army thus far is respectful of Chinese culture. There is nothing to be offended by - other than the desire to be offended..
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This is a disingenuous read of the situation. His post was in response to multiple other posters calling for such “funny” names to be added to Cathay. There was one poster literally demanding the names be offensive.
I don't know why you're bringing up China, because in this specific instance I'm referring it to the Lizardmen pun names, which is not a reflection of any sort of race and more of a writer having fun making dumb names.
2021/09/15 22:27:50
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
Las wrote: I'm confused. Is there actually anything wrong with the names in the game or are we arguing about Sum Ting Wong just as its own concept for some reason?
Someone said they were glad this faction seems to be respectful of the real world source material and the reactionaries instantly went off their rockers.
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2021/09/15 22:45:13
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
Overread wrote: I don't know where people are going with the names - so I'm just going to go read Asterix until the next big release of new info
Someone brought up that the Lizardmen names are almost all joke names and GW being british company, and british not being known for sensitivity or tact, might choose to go with the same naming convention for the chinese-inspired faction. I personally don't think it'll be the case, but the mere suggestion riled up the people that think anyone who doesn't find blackface or verbal equivalent funny is basically a marxist out to murder Western Civilization.
For people who love to go "facts not feelings" their feelings bruise surprisingly quickly.
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2021/09/15 23:00:30
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
BobtheInquisitor wrote: As for your analogy, there’s a big difference in context you are ignoring. If England had the same prior relationship with soccer hooligans that it did with China, you probably would see calls not to portray them so much as dumb, aggressive primitives.
Las wrote: I'm confused. Is there actually anything wrong with the names in the game or are we arguing about Sum Ting Wong just as its own concept for some reason?
It's pretty much one person having a personal incoherent rant about an issue that doesn't exist - neither Cathayn lord has an offensive name. What we've seen of the Cathayan army thus far is respectful of Chinese culture. There is nothing to be offended by - other than the desire to be offended..
m
This is a disingenuous read of the situation. His post was in response to multiple other posters calling for such “funny” names to be added to Cathay. There was one poster literally demanding the names be offensive.
I don't know why you're bringing up China, because in this specific instance I'm referring it to the Lizardmen pun names, which is not a reflection of any sort of race and more of a writer having fun making dumb names.
I was responding to posters saying GW should do that with Cathay now, not to GW doing that with Lustria back then. However, the thread is getting convoluted so I think we’re talking across each other’s points.
Overread wrote: I don't know where people are going with the names - so I'm just going to go read Asterix until the next big release of new info
Someone brought up that the Lizardmen names are almost all joke names and GW being british company, and british not being known for sensitivity or tact, might choose to go with the same naming convention for the chinese-inspired faction. I personally don't think it'll be the case, but the mere suggestion riled up the people that think anyone who doesn't find blackface or verbal equivalent funny is basically a marxist out to murder Western Civilization.
For people who love to go "facts not feelings" their feelings bruise surprisingly quickly.
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2021/09/15 23:21:08
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
NinthMusketeer wrote: Cool stuff. Actually more grounded than I expected; it looks like the majority of units are human infantry of various armaments. And that is good, it fits WHFB. Plus more generic stuff is important because without that the special stuff ceases to be special.
But really I came here to drink the tears of the 'fantasy was gritty and realistic' crowd and there are disappointingly few. I was looking forward to more arguments of how giant constructs, dragons, and flying machines were out of place in a game THAT HAS HAD THOSE SINCE FIRST EDITION.
Sidenote, anyone can get offended by anything. Defining ones own behavior by trying to avoid offending a very extreme very slim minority of people simply isn't logical. Sometimes one slips up and does something that can reasonably called inappropriate and that's life. Everyone has done that at some point; we apologize, learn from it, and move on. If someone won't drop it make use of that ignore button. These days we can't count on the Dakka mods enforcing rule 1 so some degree of self-policing will inevitably be necessary.
Do you believe “sum ting wong” or, as suggested by another poster, “Ching chong”, would only offend an extreme very thin minority?
Are those names in the game?
This was a conversation about whether or not they should be. Whether the kinds of humor that flew inthe 80’s and 90’s would fly today.
I suppose we should just consider it a win that the faction representing an Asian culture is human.
Can you explain how those names connect to what I was saying? You responded to me specifically, but it seems non-sequitur.
CMLR wrote: As a third world country, playing Warhammer is like eating lobster.
More proof that these kind of "problems" are entirely the provenance of people who simply aren't affected by them, or don't have enough real struggles in their life so find ways to be offended on the behalf of people who either don't know, don't care, or both!
Cronch wrote: ... and british not being known for sensitivity or tact...
The hell???
BobtheInquisitor wrote: His post was in response to multiple other posters calling for such “funny” names to be added to Cathay. There was one poster literally demanding the names be offensive.
Where were people calling for funny names to be added to Cathay?
Daedalus81 wrote: Hey guys - guess what - it costs you nothing to be kind. So, maybe just do that instead of requiring gakky jokes for your own personal enjoyment and acting like things that happen on twitter are the whole world.
The whole world doesn't care that there's table-top game where a T-Rex has a name that references a Transformers character but spelt to look like translated Aztec writing.
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Overread wrote: I don't know where people are going with the names - so I'm just going to go read Asterix until the next big release of new info
Someone brought up that the Lizardmen names are almost all joke names and GW being british company, and british not being known for sensitivity or tact, might choose to go with the same naming convention for the chinese-inspired faction. I personally don't think it'll be the case, but the mere suggestion riled up the people that think anyone who doesn't find blackface or verbal equivalent funny is basically a marxist out to murder Western Civilization.
For people who love to go "facts not feelings" their feelings bruise surprisingly quickly.
> and british not being known for sensitivity or tact
Excuse you? Sweeping generalisations much?
2021/09/15 23:48:09
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
Overread wrote: I don't know where people are going with the names - so I'm just going to go read Asterix until the next big release of new info
Someone brought up that the Lizardmen names are almost all joke names and GW being british company, and british not being known for sensitivity or tact, might choose to go with the same naming convention for the chinese-inspired faction. I personally don't think it'll be the case, but the mere suggestion riled up the people that think anyone who doesn't find blackface or verbal equivalent funny is basically a marxist out to murder Western Civilization.
For people who love to go "facts not feelings" their feelings bruise surprisingly quickly.
> and british not being known for sensitivity or tact
Excuse you? Sweeping generalisations much?
It's like I said at the beginning, these people just project the very things they claim to be against. Little slips like this just demonstrate they're not arguing in good faith.
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2021/09/15 23:57:13
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
NinthMusketeer wrote: The setting where either pole literally crosses over into a plane of raw magic where everything exists only as a perverse reflection of the mortal psyche, where armies of daemons, undead, tree people, raging fungusmen, and more see battle regularly. The setting where city-sized ships roam the seas, where an immense living crater serves as the god for an entire race, where toadmen tens of millennia old direct armies of lizard folk who spawn from pools of liquid, where rat men shoot lightning from crystals, where plate armored superhumans ride flying discs into combat...
But yeah, hot air balloons with guns and floating rocks.
We already had this argument 50 pages ago, got so bad the mods shut the thread down for a while. Some people just only see the dark gritty low fantasy elements of The Empire and actively ignore anything that doesn't mesh with that view as rare or fringe and unrepresentative of The Old World. All arguments about high fantasy fall on deaf ears, all proof to the contrary gets ignored. No matter how much crazy magic & monsters you point out exist, no matter what medium (models, armybooks, artwork, novels, game cinematics), they just refuse to acknowlege it's anything but low-fantasy. The best you can get out of them is "well, it has some elements of high fantasy, but it's rare" or "it wouldn't be part of most battles". Occasionally you can coax out an "OK, that stuff exists, but it isn't the focus of the game" as if an entire phase of the game wasn't devoted to magic. A couple of times there were a "Well, it is, but it's still not as high fantasy as AoS" /rolleyes
They confuse their favorite aspect of the setting (focusing on basic units of normal mundane human(oid)s with a halberd/sword/handgun) with the overall entire setting full of mages and monsters and demons and crazy wizard tech steamtanks or warpstone powered lightning cannons, giant undead constructs and Orc gods litterally stepping on enemy units. No amount of art or models or fluff or rules will ever sway them, as if acknowleging there's more to this setting than they like to focus on will somehow invalidate their enjoyment of halberdiers and rat-catchers
CMLR wrote: As a third world country, playing Warhammer is like eating lobster.
More proof that these kind of "problems" are entirely the provenance of people who simply aren't affected by them, or don't have enough real struggles in their life so find ways to be offended on the behalf of people who either don't know, don't care, or both!
Basically.
We only know about it if it is stupid mainstream for first world.
Warhammer is pretty much unknown here and if we are not native speakers, the jokes will fly over our heads as much as our jokes will fly over yours.
People losing it for us is not flattering, is stupid.
Yet again, we have free health care and we never got into racial problems for some reason, so you win some and lose some.
2021/09/16 00:22:31
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
Yeah, with those kinds of people I find it usually is projection. Somehow a joke name is offensive to a culture, but generalizing a culture as being insensitive is just fine. This is why I put the "virtue signaling" or "SJW" people on ignore. By and large they are really just bad people.
2021/09/16 00:27:58
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
CMLR wrote: As a third world country, playing Warhammer is like eating lobster.
More proof that these kind of "problems" are entirely the provenance of people who simply aren't affected by them, or don't have enough real struggles in their life so find ways to be offended on the behalf of people who either don't know, don't care, or both!
Basically.
We only know about it if it is stupid mainstream for first world.
Warhammer is pretty much unknown here and if we are not native speakers, the jokes will fly over our heads as much as our jokes will fly over yours.
People losing it for us is not flattering, is stupid.
Yet again, we have free health care and we never got into racial problems for some reason, so you win some and lose some.
Thanks for sharing this. Some people in this thread need to read this and see that their moral grandstanding isn't something that's looked well upon by the people they're supposedly representing/fighting for.
Though inb4 someone says you're a minority of your own people and that your opinion is invalid for not following their narrative.
2021/09/16 01:45:22
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
Grimskul wrote: Though inb4 someone says you're a minority of your own people and that your opinion is invalid for not following their narrative.
There’s a “forge the narrative!” joke in there somewhere.
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2021/09/16 01:59:55
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Cathay trailer, page 128
NinthMusketeer wrote: The setting where either pole literally crosses over into a plane of raw magic where everything exists only as a perverse reflection of the mortal psyche, where armies of daemons, undead, tree people, raging fungusmen, and more see battle regularly. The setting where city-sized ships roam the seas, where an immense living crater serves as the god for an entire race, where toadmen tens of millennia old direct armies of lizard folk who spawn from pools of liquid, where rat men shoot lightning from crystals, where plate armored superhumans ride flying discs into combat...
But yeah, hot air balloons with guns and floating rocks.
We already had this argument 50 pages ago, got so bad the mods shut the thread down for a while. Some people just only see the dark gritty low fantasy elements of The Empire and actively ignore anything that doesn't mesh with that view as rare or fringe and unrepresentative of The Old World. All arguments about high fantasy fall on deaf ears, all proof to the contrary gets ignored. No matter how much crazy magic & monsters you point out exist, no matter what medium (models, armybooks, artwork, novels, game cinematics), they just refuse to acknowlege it's anything but low-fantasy. The best you can get out of them is "well, it has some elements of high fantasy, but it's rare" or "it wouldn't be part of most battles". Occasionally you can coax out an "OK, that stuff exists, but it isn't the focus of the game" as if an entire phase of the game wasn't devoted to magic. A couple of times there were a "Well, it is, but it's still not as high fantasy as AoS" /rolleyes
They confuse their favorite aspect of the setting (focusing on basic units of normal mundane human(oid)s with a halberd/sword/handgun) with the overall entire setting full of mages and monsters and demons and crazy wizard tech steamtanks or warpstone powered lightning cannons, giant undead constructs and Orc gods litterally stepping on enemy units. No amount of art or models or fluff or rules will ever sway them, as if acknowleging there's more to this setting than they like to focus on will somehow invalidate their enjoyment of halberdiers and rat-catchers
I know. While I continue to try and be more friendly online I have a few guilty pleasures. The metaphorical feasting upon tears of the 'WHFB was gritty!' is one of them.
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Albino Squirrel wrote: Yeah, with those kinds of people I find it usually is projection. Somehow a joke name is offensive to a culture, but generalizing a culture as being insensitive is just fine. This is why I put the "virtue signaling" or "SJW" people on ignore. By and large they are really just bad people.
Pretty big generalization in that last sentence.
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