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 Mr_Rose wrote:

Sigmar’s problem is unrelated: he’s recycling souls that have died without even trying to salve their death-trauma, which is what places like heaven or Valhalla or whatever are for. Then he goes and sticks them back into bodies that still remember dying and the problem is compounded. Basically it’s the Robocop Problem only he hasn’t even bothered to try to wipe the Stormcasts’ memories, much less let them get used to the idea of still being able to be a person even after dying.


Actually he does wipe their memories. However they are Robocops who remember that they were once alive and its commonly known too. Plus the process is somewhat random - some remember everything, many remember some, some remember nothing. What's worse is when you get re-forged you lose even more not just of your long distant past, but of your Stormcast past too. It's not so much that there's no memory wiping, but that its random and erratic at what gets wiped; and that each time they go through it they lose more of themselves.

There's also, I think, a clear element of Sigmar imposing his hatred of Chaos going on during the Forging process. Which explains why stormcast who are reforged get more and more zealous whilst at the same time courting less stable mentality and humanity.


Add to that the fact that many of them were plucked from the jaws of doom hundreds of years ago and even what they might remember of the world has gone (much lost to Chaos). Families and friends - often some of the very things that made them fight so hard against chaos, are basically gone. What little they can remember is changed and altered. They are aliens in their own world. Indeed it wouldn't surprise me if we see more of this come out as interior regions get more stable and the front line pushes back; potentially if we start to see retired Stormcast or Stormcast working in the interior where they can't so easily lose themselves in the chaos of regular front, line battle.




WE also don't know what influence the Grand Arena has upon them. Malarion gifted it to Sigmar to let his warriors fight to the death without suffering actual death, however its clear that there's some malicious purpose to his gift. We likely won't find it out until his Battletome releases - though even then it might be kept hidden.

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 Overread wrote:
They are self titled Gods who draw power from belief and worship (and other sources). However they are not how we might envision a God like the Christian God viewpoint where you've a single being that can create a whole universe.

Heck they have trouble just making life in itself. Sigmar's Stormcast are cracking; Aelf remakings of their people are twisted and damaged.

We also see that they cannot create souls. They recycle them, but they cannot create a soul, the actual starting point of life.

They are also nearly all risen from mortal sources, all were once mortal or at least living normal creatures that have risen in power. This gives them great powers, but they still obey the rules of the universe like a regular human or dwarf. Thus weapons of great power are still important to them; thus armour and shields. Thus they can be killed. Heck the Mortal Realms feature God Beasts which are beasts of godlike powers capable of killing gods.

They are very much like the Norse/Greek depiction of gods - powerful supreme beings that are, ultimately, mortal at their core. They have passions and desires; they argue and fight; they are born and can die; they can be tricked and deceived and they cannot be all places at once.

The Chaos Gods themselves are probably the closest to actual Gods as we might understand them in terms of omnipotent power and rebirth and of how they feed of souls. Of course they are from another Realm where they rule with almost impunity. Interestingly the Great Horned Rat is also there now, but not feeding off souls the same way and he doesn't seem to have a realm there like the other Chaos Gods - indeed the Skaven have their own Ruinous Realm of Death that Nagash has not yet taken.

Indeed even after the Necroquake Nagash hasn't taken over all the other Death Gods. He's still very much in the process of conquering and invading and having to take each step of ground, though the Quake and his Black Pyramid has at least secured him a bulk control over his Realm. Even if in doing so he's created a Black Hole that's sucking in the dead souls into a place even he has no idea where it leads too or to what end. Furthermore he's also still a "mortal god" he can be destroyed or killed with the right approach.

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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Cronch wrote:
...what kind of god relies on trinkets to win against mortals?


Well, I have heard of this one dude named Thor...

Besides, Sigmar was a god BEFORE the end of the Old World. He just got stuck in a mortal body during the End Times.


He was a man in the Old World who became a God.


Agreed and great post - after all Nagash was just a man once as well. Some AOS lore also states that not even Nagash can hold onto souls indefinately and that he does not know where they go then but alot more contradicts this. Nagash also has not conquered all of Shyish and there are death gods still hidden or not truly dead/devoured, plus one assumes if Nagash was somehow slain the other gods of death would be reborn Chronos/Zeus and siblings style.

Even in the original Old World, it seemed that some or all of the Human gods were actually humans who had ascended - Ranald being the most obvious, but there are references to Myrmidia living a mortal life as well.

Some of the the Elf Gods were depicted in some lore as vast warp entities akin to the Choas Gods/damons and only partially aware of the mortal world.

Many mythological gods have a symbolic weapon.or artfefact - see the Greek Gods especially

WE also don't know what influence the Grand Arena has upon them. Malarion gifted it to Sigmar to let his warriors fight to the death without suffering actual death, however its clear that there's some malicious purpose to his gift. We likely won't find it out until his Battletome releases - though even then it might be kept hidden.


Its been noted that he uses it to obseve the Stormcast fighting styles, tactics etc

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When it comes to Nagash one must consider his power is in a lot of places at once. Unlike many of the others he is made up of different aspects just as death means different things to different people. Some of these aspects are even worshipped separately/in their own way, like Nagash-Morr. The Soul Wars novel gets into this, I'm not really doing it justice.

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I always see "gods" on the tabletop as avatars of the god, like Avatars of Khaine or Greater Demons that are basically avatars of the four chaos gods.

Then you have Archaon but he's no god... no mortal either.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He's going to be floating on so much swirly bull gak that it'll put the Celestant Prime to shame.


I was just about to post that, lol! Base will have more plastic than the figure....



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Clearly, the gods of AoS act out of necessity.
Elven gods need to appear on the battlefield because their followers/children still need all the help they can get. And the gods dont really like to keep asking the stormcast for help.

Sigmar can rely on the SC chambers to manage on their own, and have more important things like budgets and board meetings to handle.

Nagash is like skeletor -he act as if he is a major player, but actually need to manage most stuff himself because he is surrounded by blundering fools.

The chaos gods probably cant even leave the relam of chaos, So they rely on corrupting and manipulating others.

Skaven are just skaven, busy busy doing... stuff.

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 EnTyme wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Could this be the year of Pointy Aelves and Eldar?


Just this once, can we not do this? It always ends up the same way. A playre says "Year of the Elf" on a facebook post, the social media gives a non-committal response like "sounds fun", and everyone takes it as a blood oath from GW. Six month later, Aeldar get 2-3 really cool kits, then moves on to the next release. The community gets up in arms because GW "promised" Year of the Elf, but we only got X kits! Where's my Year of the Elf?!? It's Orktober/C'thulu Elves all over again.


Sounds like you have been hurt too many times in the past, my friend. I feel your pain.

But seriously, if they do any Eldar and "Pointy Aelves" releases this year, it would be awesome. I think they were more for the benefit of the Black Library than the 40K game, but the Triumvirate of Ynnead was a snazzy release back in 2017. For their presence in Kill Team, I've got a feeling we might get warlocks, scorpions or rangers. They are doing something for the pointy elfs this year, so just one or two Eldar kits would be enough.

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Not really. It just gets old watching people rage about GW breaking a promise they never made.

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 EnTyme wrote:
Not really. It just gets old watching people rage about GW breaking a promise they never made.


If its up there with discussions about numerous marine releases and "titanicus scale" then sure, we'll move on.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He's going to be floating on so much swirly bull gak that it'll put the Celestant Prime to shame.


Posting a pic of that abomination should be a bannable offense. One of GW worst mini ever, imo, up there with the clown king.

Can't wait to see these new eleves. Seems like we haven't seen anything new from GW for the last few months.

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 streetsamurai wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He's going to be floating on so much swirly bull gak that it'll put the Celestant Prime to shame.


Posting a pic of that abomination should be a bannable offense. One of GW worst mini ever, imo, up there with the clown king.

Can't wait to see these new eleves. Seems like we haven't seen anything new from GW for the last few months.
C'mon, the dreadknight exists!

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He's going to be floating on so much swirly bull gak that it'll put the Celestant Prime to shame.


Posting a pic of that abomination should be a bannable offense. One of GW worst mini ever, imo, up there with the clown king.

Can't wait to see these new eleves. Seems like we haven't seen anything new from GW for the last few months.
C'mon, the dreadknight exists!

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 Theophony wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He's going to be floating on so much swirly bull gak that it'll put the Celestant Prime to shame.


Posting a pic of that abomination should be a bannable offense. One of GW worst mini ever, imo, up there with the clown king.

Can't wait to see these new eleves. Seems like we haven't seen anything new from GW for the last few months.
C'mon, the dreadknight exists!

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That image is a big nope from me... I shudder at the though of what other silliness is coming lol. But hey ho.. each to their own.

At least some people seem to keen so I'm glad for them to have something to be excited about and buy some cool new mini

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


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I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He's going to be floating on so much swirly bull gak that it'll put the Celestant Prime to shame.


Posting a pic of that abomination should be a bannable offense. One of GW worst mini ever, imo, up there with the clown king.

Can't wait to see these new eleves. Seems like we haven't seen anything new from GW for the last few months.
C'mon, the dreadknight exists!


To be fair, I think its the concept and design of the dreadknight that are utterly terrible, but as that concept is actually put into 3D form, its fine. A fine rendering of a terrible idea.

   
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The prime is a 70% good model. It just the swirly bits at the bottom that are awful. There are ways to make a floating model look great.
Personally I hoping for plenty of dragons in the new army.
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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
 Sacredroach wrote:
Not a High Elf player, but that design is pretty great. Maybe my Morathi needs a mate...


No man in their right mind would ever be alone with Morathi.


You're suggesting she thinks mates should be like Kleenex: soft, strong, and disposable?

   
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The swirls on Voltron Prime are the best part of that godawful thing. It embodies everything wrong with the 1st wave of SCE...
   
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The swirls are a poor choice but apart from that the model looks cool. Though as a gaming piece it is pretty easy to break those wings.
Would not pay the asking price for it though!

As for Age of Sigmar bringing back another character from Warhamer Fantasy? Boring! They blew up the Old World and totally obliterated it, but they are too lazy to come up with any new characters or any new or exciting ideas for the setting past Stormcast and now these new bone guys, who are basicaly undead stormcast. GW is really not that hot creatively any more.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
 Sacredroach wrote:
Not a High Elf player, but that design is pretty great. Maybe my Morathi needs a mate...


No man in their right mind would ever be alone with Morathi.


You're suggesting she thinks mates should be like Kleenex: soft, strong, and disposable?


Thank you for knowing that. Exalted!

Everyone is talking about how they hope Teclis isn't floating on swirly stuff - wait till they see the giant pile of rubble instead.

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 Da Boss wrote:


As for Age of Sigmar bringing back another character from Warhamer Fantasy? Boring! They blew up the Old World and totally obliterated it, but they are too lazy to come up with any new characters or any new or exciting ideas for the setting past Stormcast and now these new bone guys, who are basicaly undead stormcast. GW is really not that hot creatively any more.

It never was, but the old cast had 30 years to become "iconic". I mean..."Malus Darkblade" is a name that someone came up with and wasn't laughted out of the editor's office.
That being said, AoS does have a number of interesting new characters (including stormcast..I'd really like to have Hamilcar and Gardus as models!), but the Studio would rather recycle Old World chars like Gotrek and every elven hero in existence instead.
People like to complain that AoS has no interesting OCs, but that's entirely on GWs main studio.
   
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Teclis Will be standing on prismatic pillars of light forming a bridge in mid air. Mark my words.

Seriously though, looking at the awesome Idoneth, this release has the potentiality to look just as good.
The Aspects of sea and storm is already a pretty close hint at how Teclis should look.

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 Da Boss wrote:
The swirls are a poor choice but apart from that the model looks cool. Though as a gaming piece it is pretty easy to break those wings.
Would not pay the asking price for it though!

As for Age of Sigmar bringing back another character from Warhamer Fantasy? Boring! They blew up the Old World and totally obliterated it, but they are too lazy to come up with any new characters or any new or exciting ideas for the setting past Stormcast and now these new bone guys, who are basicaly undead stormcast. GW is really not that hot creatively any more.


Yeah, Brokk and Volturnos are totes Old World OGs. Olynder and Kurdoss are actuallly a reiklander couple, and Gordrakk and Skraggrot are from Karak eight peaks!

Also

>bringing back.

Bud, he's been there from day 1, they are not bringing him back, he's been always been there.
   
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They had the chance to move on from the Old World, which they destroyed in a way that communicated a certain contempt for it. Instead they just made important characters from that world the "gods" of the new one, instead of doing something interesting an original with their new setting. It was half baked and poorly defined from the start, and it is built on sand due to trying to maintain links with the Old World.

I have no idea who these characters you are referencing are, because they are crowded out by all the references to characters from the Old World.

   
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 Da Boss wrote:
They had the chance to move on from the Old World, which they destroyed in a way that communicated a certain contempt for it. Instead they just made important characters from that world the "gods" of the new one, instead of doing something interesting an original with their new setting. It was half baked and poorly defined from the start, and it is built on sand due to trying to maintain links with the Old World.

I have no idea who these characters you are referencing are, because they are crowded out by all the references to characters from the Old World.



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 Da Boss wrote:
They had the chance to move on from the Old World, which they destroyed in a way that communicated a certain contempt for it. Instead they just made important characters from that world the "gods" of the new one, instead of doing something interesting an original with their new setting. It was half baked and poorly defined from the start, and it is built on sand due to trying to maintain links with the Old World.


It's probably not warranted to think of Age of Sigmar as a new setting. It's more of a reboot, really.

If you think of it like that, and given that GW recycled old models from the start and the motivation behind AoS was to modernize a fantasy setting GW was unable to sell anymore in its previous form you probably should, it's not surprising that they are not doing anything you'd consider original with it. If Hollywood has taught us anything about reboots it's that you need those superficial cues to remind the audience that they're seeing something familiar even though the connection to and respect for the original is strenuous at best.

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not liking the arms out to side silhouette. looks like the older model. would have preferred a pose like in that art they did.

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