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The timing and manner of the reveal of the new Kroak is interesting. You'd think he'd get as much hoopla as Belakor given he's a centerpiece and reimaging of a classic character. Maybe like a preview on one of those Saturday morning programs...

Perhaps some rumormonger had info that forced GW to reveal him earlier than planned. He's a powerful enough character to get his own book and now that it appears there's no rules for him in this Seraphon-included BR chapter, does it mean he gets his own book down the road? Or does this mean Seraphon are going to face off against another army in a battle box where Kroak is released in addition to such battle box?

Warhammer Community wrote:Warhammer Age of Sigmar fans rejoice! Every week this month, we’re showcasing a new miniature set to star in an upcoming Broken Realms book. What’s more, we’re kicking things off this week with a double-whammy – a father-and-daughter combo hailing from the witch-hunting Order of Azyr.

They told us on April 5th what they were planning on doing. It's basically a continuation of "Miniature Monday" that March had, just focused on AoS.

Thats pretty cool so next week we will get another model? I wonder if it is the next BR character Karakros

Depends how much is coming for each book release.
If Kroak is alongside Belakor then we aren’t quite to that book yet..

 Matrindur wrote:

So the witch hunters are not in this book? Where then?

 Crimson wrote:

Spoiler:

 Matrindur wrote:

So the witch hunters are not in this book? Where then?

Either in Broken Realms: Kragnos or a future Broken Realms book.

People got mad at Teclis stopping the necroquake think how mad everybody gets at whatever Kroak does.

I assume the witch hunters will show up whenever the soul blight get a more in-depth broken realms spotlight. After all, we still have that big tease from book 1. Wonder what the lack of necroquake-ness will mean for them.

Also, are we going to see less endless spells? Some of them have had pretty cool models, others are hard passes.

Is it just me, or does Lord Kroak not look at all dead and Mummified?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it just me, or does Lord Kroak not look at all dead and Mummified?

Maybe he just got better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYO0joolR0

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it just me, or does Lord Kroak not look at all dead and Mummified?

He looks dessicated, which is what he should after being mummified. Someone just did him the grace of getting rid of the bandages.

Yeah, mummies only have bones showing through when they’ve been damaged. It always weirded me out that the Skinks put in charge of maintaining Lord Kroak’s mortal remains would let them get damaged to the point of his bones being exposed like on the old model.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it just me, or does Lord Kroak not look at all dead and Mummified?

He looks dessicated, which is what he should after being mummified. Someone just did him the grace of getting rid of the bandages.

He still has the bandages.

I wonder how many people has been relatively close to real mummies. I worked with animal mummies. They are not a bunch of bones wrapped on bandages; they are dehydrated organisms. Damaged mummies can show bones sticking out of the flesh, but that's not an universal ocurrance. The craniums can have empty eye sockets because of the composition of the eyes and teeth fall off because the dehydration of the gums.

Given that the lizardmen are now star beings, made of azyr light, I guess a more fleshy Kroak works. (Though Slann were the only lizardmen to remain fleshy, until the second battle tome iirc.)

It's not too late to grab his OG model though, for those that want a skeleton slann. Expensive conversion and he'll be smaller (and resin), but I'm sure someone will do it.

Honestly, the old model holds up really well. The dead skink and the lizard bones are really cool touches that are absent from the new one.

They changed Kroak's look from just a skeleton to an actual mummy, they're supposed to have some jerky on their bones left.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Also, are we going to see less endless spells? Some of them have had pretty cool models, others are hard passes.

Why should we? As I understand it, the Necroquake released them from containment, it didn't create them. Ending the Necroquake wouldn't suddenly re-imprison the Endless Spells.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Given that the lizardmen are now star beings, made of azyr light

Retconed. We organic again (except Kroak, who is just whatever he wants).

 CMLR wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Given that the lizardmen are now star beings, made of azyr light

Retconed. We organic again (except Kroak, who is just whatever he wants).

It's more complicated than that.


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 Platuan4th wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Also, are we going to see less endless spells? Some of them have had pretty cool models, others are hard passes.

Why should we? As I understand it, the Necroquake released them from containment, it didn't create them. Ending the Necroquake wouldn't suddenly re-imprison the Endless Spells.

Endless spells are a result of the arcanum optinar, which was triggered by the Necroquake, which itself was like an earthquake with aftershocks rather than a state of being. Say an earthquake breaks a dam and subsequent earthquakes keep damaging it further. Stopping the quakes will make it so things aren't getting worse, but the dam is still broken and all the water that spilled out is still flooding everything.

 Popsghostly wrote:
The timing and manner of the reveal of the new Kroak is interesting. You'd think he'd get as much hoopla as Belakor given he's a centerpiece and reimaging of a classic character. Maybe like a preview on one of those Saturday morning programs...

Perhaps some rumormonger had info that forced GW to reveal him earlier than planned. He's a powerful enough character to get his own book and now that it appears there's no rules for him in this Seraphon-included BR chapter, does it mean he gets his own book down the road? Or does this mean Seraphon are going to face off against another army in a battle box where Kroak is released in addition to such battle box?

"While we can’t spill the beans about his role in the epic saga of the Broken Realms quite yet,"

They kind of points out he's part of BR releases.


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Danny76 wrote:
Depends how much is coming for each book release.
If Kroak is alongside Belakor then we aren’t quite to that book yet..

We know already Kroak isnt' part of Be'lakor book. It's BR:4 earliest.


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 CMLR wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Given that the lizardmen are now star beings, made of azyr light

Retconed. We organic again (except Kroak, who is just whatever he wants).

Why then there's these "star borne" and "coalesced"?

Coalesced are the fleshy ones. Star borne's are still basically good daemons.

tneva82 wrote:

 Popsghostly wrote:
The timing and manner of the reveal of the new Kroak is interesting. You'd think he'd get as much hoopla as Belakor given he's a centerpiece and reimaging of a classic character. Maybe like a preview on one of those Saturday morning programs...

Perhaps some rumormonger had info that forced GW to reveal him earlier than planned. He's a powerful enough character to get his own book and now that it appears there's no rules for him in this Seraphon-included BR chapter, does it mean he gets his own book down the road? Or does this mean Seraphon are going to face off against another army in a battle box where Kroak is released in addition to such battle box?

"While we can’t spill the beans about his role in the epic saga of the Broken Realms quite yet,"

They kind of points out he's part of BR releases.


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Danny76 wrote:
Depends how much is coming for each book release.
If Kroak is alongside Belakor then we aren’t quite to that book yet..

We know already Kroak isnt' part of Be'lakor book. It's BR:4 earliest.


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 CMLR wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Given that the lizardmen are now star beings, made of azyr light

Retconed. We organic again (except Kroak, who is just whatever he wants).

Why then there's these "star borne" and "coalesced"?

Coalesced are the fleshy ones. Star borne's are still basically good daemons.

Ha yeah, I just realised what I wrote.
I meant alongside a book after Be’lakor.
What I get for quickly doing phone replies,

tneva82 wrote:
Coalesced are the fleshy ones. Star borne's are still basically good daemons.

Order Daemons, surely? As we can see with the Kangaroo Elves, Order =/= Good...

The lizards are the goodest demon-nbs, and no one will tell me otherwise.

tneva82 wrote:

 CMLR wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Given that the lizardmen are now star beings, made of azyr light

Retconed. We organic again (except Kroak, who is just whatever he wants).

Why then there's these "star borne" and "coalesced"?

Coalesced are the fleshy ones. Star borne's are still basically good daemons.

Originally, when killed, Seraphon exploded into a burst of light that harmed Chaos Daemons. Nowadays they are yet again organic beings, stablished since a short story in Malign Portents. Starborne are magic focused, Coalesced aren't. Starborne are practically waiting in high orbit. Coalesced have stablished colonies on the ground.

I encourage you or anyone to read the fluff in the new battletome, which explains things out fully. What you have there is not quite accurate.

From 'Six of the Best Units in Broken Realms: Be’lakor' on Warhammer Community:

Doomseekers are zealous warriors who will stop at nothing to slay their chosen mark in combat, or die trying. It would seem they’ve been putting in some time at those trendy axe-throwing pubs since the previous Fyreslayers battletome, and it shows!

On top of that, they’re even more dedicated to taking down their quarry. Take a look at their improved Oathbound ability.

Not to be outdone, Grimwrath Berzerkers get the same boost to their fyresteel throwing axes. They’ve also learned some new tricks in the form of a set of Grimwrath Oaths. You can choose which one you want to use for the duration of your game, adding loads of tactical depth. Here are three of the six to give you an idea.

And some more info for Be'lakor himself:

Be’lakor?

Feed ‘im to da Squigs, ‘Arold.

Not sure about that Dark Master ability. I mean, if they aren’t doing anything, they definitely aren’t dancing…
Unless that’s why they can’t do anything else, because he’s commanded/tricked them into doing a little jig instead of what they were supposed to be doing?

Very underwhelmed by the NH stuff so far. Hey ho, time will tell.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Not sure about that Dark Master ability. I mean, if they aren’t doing anything, they definitely aren’t dancing…
Unless that’s why they can’t do anything else, because he’s commanded/tricked them into doing a little jig instead of what they were supposed to be doing?

It's same as before except affects more things, target not predetermned and killing be'lakor stops using later. Barring last its more powerful version of already powerful rule.

More than 33% damage increase at full strength, more damage at 7 wounds, infinite more damage more wound(as old one would be dead already) and almost twice durability. Over 50% point hike btj he was too cheap before.

 lare2 wrote:
Very underwhelmed by the NH stuff so far. Hey ho, time will tell.

Yeah, I think we simply don't have all the pieces we'd need to see how much of a buff it is. 5+ deathless is nice, but seems to require a ranged attack dealing damage so unless that attack is reliable the ability would be lackluster. The changes to harridans don't fix their core issue in just being a bunch of low-rend attacks that chainrasps or reapers can provide more efficiently.