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darkness screamer wrote: Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.
It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.
I do agree with you (until yesterday I was still going out, kissing friends / handshaking, etc) but it doesn't hurt to get ready, just in case. The opposite can't be stuff... The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.
To be honest he’s likely to break his own neck,falling over trying to go to work in respirator. But it’s free country.
or collapse from heat exhaustion...
But if nothing else the thought of someone sat chilling on a train wearing a military respirator designed for a chemical warfare environment has made me laugh today.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
My parents are currently stuck in Poland. They have sealed the borders and anyone coming through from the outside. Likewis they have closed all non essential things, shools, etc. Even the church has suspended mass( as its predominately old people who go..). Apparently its pretty much post apocalyptic martial law type situation on the streets. everythings closed..
Has it worked? looking at the number of cases and the sow growth I guess so but not sure if it will truly work. At least they are trying to protect their people I guess?? Effective or not.. When a government states
"well a bunch of you old people will die.. Ohh wel... its tough... ohh wel… Nope.. not even going to try and make a difference".. Do we even need governments if they just take life times worth of taxes and then leave us to die once we retire and don't pay anymore? Whats the government for if its not to enforce rules and protect its people ?
Im really reaaaalllllyyyyy surprised how the Uk public seems to not give a flying monkey about either Covid or its elderly population. The current state of affairs politically makes a lot more sense now..
Anyway this is a long interview JRE did with someone who worked for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and currently Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP).
In short, according to him if we all had carbon masks and wore gloves/did all the hand washing etc.. we could sort of contain it. However as its an influenza virus and its spread it seems not a lot that can be done as we all have to breathe. Worth a listen form the horses mouth so to speak.
As an aside, the worry is that Im reading conflicting information regarding aftercare.. as in most people will get mild symptoms but apparently it really hits your lungs and can leave damaged lungs after without prior conditions which is scary if true but we just don't seem to know for sure. And different countries "experts" seem to be saying different things which is very troubling..
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Anyone who tells you nbc gear doesn't reduce combat effectiveness, or just effectiveness in general, is talking absolute bonk. You're effectively wearing a sauna suit, your face will be sweating like you've never sweat before, you'll have no dexterity due to your condom gloves, your breathing is harder, your peripheral vision is non existant, and you can't aim a rifle properly due to the canisters stuck out the side of your face. That's why it's no longer 'survive to fight' it's just 'survive'
Now I'm not an infanteer either, I'm only raf too, but I've done my fair share of CBRN EOD training, spending long periods suited up and just trying to operate.. It sucks.
darkness screamer wrote: Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.
It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.
I do agree with you (until yesterday I was still going out, kissing friends / handshaking, etc) but it doesn't hurt to get ready, just in case. The opposite can't be stuff... The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.
To be honest he’s likely to break his own neck,falling over trying to go to work in respirator. But it’s free country.
or collapse from heat exhaustion...
But if nothing else the thought of someone sat chilling on a train wearing a military respirator designed for a chemical warfare environment has made me laugh today.
Tell them not to be careless with superglue next time.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: Anyone who tells you nbc gear doesn't reduce combat effectiveness, or just effectiveness in general, is talking absolute bonk.
Seems like they weren't not talking absolute bonk then.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Governor has just decreed that all restaurants have to shut down their dining rooms, and no one allowed in bars. You can still do take out and get your McDonalds from the drive thru though
You can't get the same virus twice, well, you can but you are immune to it, thats how viruses work....you could get a different strain, but not the exact same one.
Thats absolutely not true. Just because you survive a disease once doesn't necessarily mean you are immune to it, virus or not. It just means you will have some level of resistance to it. Weather that is enough to be immune to it is dependent on many variables.
We've already had a few people come down with this very virus twice, so we know it can happen.
Patently false. When you defeat a virus you develop antigens, these stay in your body....usually forever, but in some rare instances its a matter of years, not days, not months...years. This is the whole reason vaccines work. They inject you with an inoculated version of the virus, your body fights it off an now you are protected. Now there are certain individuals whose bodies are unable to hold on to those antigens for very long, but they are few and far between, these are usually people with very compromised immune systems for one reason or another . Viruses can also mutate, but then its not the same virus, its a different strain. A normally healthy human will not get the same virus twice.
There were several healthy people who came down with the same strain twice in China. Its not a 100% thing, same with Vaccines. You can absolutely come down with the same virus twice even with a healthy immune system, its all about your specific situation. Vaccines do work on the principle of antigens sticking around for a long time, but its not absolute or foolproof. Vaccines do fail, not all antigens are permanent, etc...
Again, people have already caught Coronavirus twice and its not a different strain.
You can't get the same virus twice, well, you can but you are immune to it, thats how viruses work....you could get a different strain, but not the exact same one.
Thats absolutely not true. Just because you survive a disease once doesn't necessarily mean you are immune to it, virus or not. It just means you will have some level of resistance to it. Weather that is enough to be immune to it is dependent on many variables.
We've already had a few people come down with this very virus twice, so we know it can happen.
Patently false. When you defeat a virus you develop antigens, these stay in your body....usually forever, but in some rare instances its a matter of years, not days, not months...years. This is the whole reason vaccines work. They inject you with an inoculated version of the virus, your body fights it off an now you are protected. Now there are certain individuals whose bodies are unable to hold on to those antigens for very long, but they are few and far between, these are usually people with very compromised immune systems for one reason or another . Viruses can also mutate, but then its not the same virus, its a different strain. A normally healthy human will not get the same virus twice.
There were several healthy people who came down with the same strain twice in China. Its not a 100% thing, same with Vaccines. You can absolutely come down with the same virus twice even with a healthy immune system, its all about your specific situation. Vaccines do work on the principle of antigens sticking around for a long time, but its not absolute or foolproof. Vaccines do fail, not all antigens are permanent, etc...
Again, people have already caught Coronavirus twice and its not a different strain.
Tell them not to be careless with superglue next time.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: Anyone who tells you nbc gear doesn't reduce combat effectiveness, or just effectiveness in general, is talking absolute bonk.
Seems like they weren't not talking absolute bonk then.
In all seriousness, after doing a little digging, I doubt that the filters on that S10 will be the correct type to filter out a virus of this type. those filters are designed for chemical warfare, where the particulate being filtered will be much larger than this virus. you'd be better off just being as cautious as possible if youre worried..just sit away from folks, try not to touch things etc.
however if you want a laugh you might try blowing out those old filters into a pals t shirt or a pillow, if youre lucky there might be some leftover CS gas particles in there..
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Roberts84 wrote: The people being reinfected are being reinfected with a different strain of the virus I believe.
I know that was speculated on, but I haven't seen a source. If you have, then by all means, share with the class.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: In all seriousness, after doing a little digging, I doubt that the filters on that S10 will be the correct type to filter out a virus of this type. those filters are designed for chemical warfare, where the particulate being filtered will be much larger than this virus. you'd be better off just being as cautious as possible if youre worried..just sit away from folks, try not to touch things etc.
I'm sure the S10 would be fine, and in fact, the only real mistake would be taking it off almost at all until this has blown over. I mean, short of sleeping and eating, I can't think of any reason to take it off. And even then, is sleeping with it off really safe? The virus doesn't take breaks.
Of course, like all conscientious preppers, I pray I turn out to be wrong, but for now, I urge utmost caution.
In unrelated news, dow futures have plummeted again overnight, so I assume we can look forward to yet another enormous plummet in the morning. After cutting the rate to near zero and throwing 1.5 trillion at bankers (in return for a tiny blip on the way down), I'm not sure what other shenanigans are left to arrest this free-fall.
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Roberts84 wrote: The people being reinfected are being reinfected with a different strain of the virus I believe.
I know that was speculated on, but I haven't seen a source. If you have, then by all means, share with the class.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: In all seriousness, after doing a little digging, I doubt that the filters on that S10 will be the correct type to filter out a virus of this type. those filters are designed for chemical warfare, where the particulate being filtered will be much larger than this virus. you'd be better off just being as cautious as possible if youre worried..just sit away from folks, try not to touch things etc.
I'm sure the S10 would be fine, and in fact, the only real mistake would be taking it off almost at all until this has blown over. I mean, short of sleeping and eating, I can't think of any reason to take it off. And even then, is sleeping with it off really safe? The virus doesn't take breaks.
Of course, like all conscientious preppers, I pray I turn out to be wrong, but for now, I urge utmost caution.
There are about 10 strains of known coronavirus already known before this outbreak, could it be one of them. Or is it a direct strain of covid 19 ?
Tell them not to be careless with superglue next time.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: Anyone who tells you nbc gear doesn't reduce combat effectiveness, or just effectiveness in general, is talking absolute bonk.
Seems like they weren't not talking absolute bonk then.
In all seriousness, after doing a little digging, I doubt that the filters on that S10 will be the correct type to filter out a virus of this type. those filters are designed for chemical warfare, where the particulate being filtered will be much larger than this virus. you'd be better off just being as cautious as possible if youre worried..just sit away from folks, try not to touch things etc.
however if you want a laugh you might try blowing out those old filters into a pals t shirt or a pillow, if youre lucky there might be some leftover CS gas particles in there..
Looks like you solved it. I'll have to remember this next time I want to enter my front door in a bus.
The virus isn't airborne. It's not like myxomatosis. It's carried in water molecules over short distances, which are many microns larger than the virus itself.
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darkness screamer wrote: Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.
It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.
1) You may be unlikely to have serious symptoms if you contract the disease, but you are then likely to infect more people, including people in a vulnerable group.
2) The virus is reasonably mild in many people, including some cases with no symptoms at all, but there appears to be specific genetic vulnerabilities that lead to extreme reactions, including death in ~3% of women and ~4.5% of men. As such, personal observation that people you know with corona didn't suffer symptoms worse than a flu is missing the nature of the problem quite badly.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
The M3 6000 is on its way. I should have it by the time I travel Thursday.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
In all seriousness, after doing a little digging, I doubt that the filters on that S10 will be the correct type to filter out a virus of this type. those filters are designed for chemical warfare, where the particulate being filtered will be much larger than this virus. you'd be better off just being as cautious as possible if youre worried..just sit away from folks, try not to touch things etc.
however if you want a laugh you might try blowing out those old filters into a pals t shirt or a pillow, if youre lucky there might be some leftover CS gas particles in there..
Looks like you solved it. I'll have to remember this next time I want to enter my front door in a bus.
The virus isn't airborne. It's not like myxomatosis. It's carried in water molecules over short distances, which are many microns larger than the virus itself.
The S10 is a rated NBC mask, the 'B' must stand for something then, it usually does.
However I get the point, it might not be a perfect defence, but it looks like a reasonable one, and helpful if I am unable to isolate myself during travel. Which is not unlikely as I have no right to expect people not to sit next to me on the train.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2 x 6001CN Organic Vapor Cartridge
2 x 5N11 Particulate Cotton Filter
Best I can do at short notice.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
In all seriousness, after doing a little digging, I doubt that the filters on that S10 will be the correct type to filter out a virus of this type. those filters are designed for chemical warfare, where the particulate being filtered will be much larger than this virus. you'd be better off just being as cautious as possible if youre worried..just sit away from folks, try not to touch things etc.
however if you want a laugh you might try blowing out those old filters into a pals t shirt or a pillow, if youre lucky there might be some leftover CS gas particles in there..
Looks like you solved it. I'll have to remember this next time I want to enter my front door in a bus.
The virus isn't airborne. It's not like myxomatosis. It's carried in water molecules over short distances, which are many microns larger than the virus itself.
The S10 is a rated NBC mask, the 'B' must stand for something then, it usually does.
However I get the point, it might not be a perfect defence, but it looks like a reasonable one, and helpful if I am unable to isolate myself during travel. Which is not unlikely as I have no right to expect people not to sit next to me on the train.
Indeed, usually things like anthrax, botulism, produced by larger bacterial cells.
With the whole being reinfected thing.
Scientists being interviewed on the news are saying it’s one strain not multiple, and that they believe you can’t be reinfected by it much like usual flu etc illnesses..
It was BBC. Only places I’ve seen about reinfection are smaller offshoot news places and blogs and all this. Click bait news types etc..
(Though big isn’t always more believable).
But one theory is that the early positive tests were false, particularly the man on the cruise ship (who showed no symptoms the first time, just that he had it) and the second test, done more carefully and not rushed to get people checked etc, was the actual positive (and again with him, that’s when he showed actual symptoms).
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My parents have been on holiday in Florida (for spring training and Indy car. All cancelled, so sucked for them in that sense anyway - glad I ended up skipping this years trip due to work..).
Semi stuck due to flight cancellations and ban.
Having to get an internal flight up to Atlanta to get a flight back to the UK.
And doing it today rather than the original scheduled flights for Thursday..
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Anyone know whether the test used is ELISA (for antibodies) or PCR (for viral DNA/RNA)?
I used to make my own ELISA for liver fluke back in the day. They often give false positives and false negatives when you are first callibrating them. And even after, between 1 in a 100 and 1 in 20 depending on the test can give false positives pretty easily, nothing to do with user error.
PCR I am not so sure about the sensitivity and specificity of the test.
I have taken some of orlanths advice and have begun stocking up a bit, not TP essential food, I work in the frontline I.ean acute medical admissions ward and already have the 1st cases in . I am resigned to contracting as my exposure will be huge.
In all seriousness, after doing a little digging, I doubt that the filters on that S10 will be the correct type to filter out a virus of this type. those filters are designed for chemical warfare, where the particulate being filtered will be much larger than this virus. you'd be better off just being as cautious as possible if youre worried..just sit away from folks, try not to touch things etc.
however if you want a laugh you might try blowing out those old filters into a pals t shirt or a pillow, if youre lucky there might be some leftover CS gas particles in there..
Looks like you solved it. I'll have to remember this next time I want to enter my front door in a bus.
The virus isn't airborne. It's not like myxomatosis. It's carried in water molecules over short distances, which are many microns larger than the virus itself.
The S10 is a rated NBC mask, the 'B' must stand for something then, it usually does.
However I get the point, it might not be a perfect defence, but it looks like a reasonable one, and helpful if I am unable to isolate myself during travel. Which is not unlikely as I have no right to expect people not to sit next to me on the train.
There's also a lot to be said for protecting yourself from other nasties this time around. After all, you don't want a strained immune system if you can possibly avoid it.
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Marxist artist wrote: I have taken some of orlanths advice and have begun stocking up a bit, not TP essential food, I work in the frontline I.ean acute medical admissions ward and already have the 1st cases in . I am resigned to contracting as my exposure will be huge.
Not going thru everything but I have seen several different information on several different medias now and stuff is getting to be mixed up
there are different strains of Cov19, this is how they can tell apart were people got the virus as those infected directly in China have a different one than those infected in Italy which is different from the one in Germany
But it is still the same Virus, with the same symptoms.
Some are claiming that there are 2 strains, a light version and the heavy version and that you cannot get the one after you got the other
Which is a rumour no one confirmed yet and all experts also have told that they don't know if you are immune afterwards or not and at the moment it is more likely that people can get the same infection twice
Problem in general is that the infection takes 10 days until symptoms get heavy
So people showing only light symptoms, like with a flu, think it is getting better after a week and start acting normal (and doing heavy work or sports) which leads to pneumonia that needs medical treatment (the same if you already had the flu or some other illness that effects the lunge)
which is also a reason why we have light lock down, not only to slow down but also that those who might have it but don't show symptoms stay calm, preventing it from getting heavy
Depends on the gas, but thing with gases is that you can filter them out by getting a chemical reaction with the filter material preventing it from getting further
so something build to protect from a gas does not necessarily filter the air from small molecules too
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Da Boss wrote: Anyone know whether the test used is ELISA (for antibodies) or PCR (for viral DNA/RNA)?
at the moment the common test is PCR
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Thanks Kodos, that is interesting. I am not as familiar with PCR, only done it once or twice. Likely it can also give false positives though, like any chemical test.
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