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It goes back, at least in part, the bizarre decision to make the Skrull hapless underdogs in Captain Marvel, which was always an odd choice. I assume motivated by something in the comics.Wasn't there a little while the Skrull were good guys or something? IDK.

They kind of boxed themselves in a bit on that front.It's hard to walk back the Skrull being a big threat when you made them intergalactic hobos in a previous film.

They should have tried to take over Wakanda. It's a cozy place to live, nobody is going to bother them (or else!), and if they got rid of the natives they could even live in their natural forms undisturbed most of the time. It's basically the perfect colony if they don't want to leave Earth.

And you could pretty much make it so they do not actually want to leave Earth. Once they have their own planet and the Kree (that's how it's spelled, right?) get wind of it, it's extermination o'clock again. Earth is protected as long as the dominant population is human.

It feels like it would be a better show if the conflict was about Skrulls trying to integrate and live as humans versus ones who want their own colony on Earth so they don't have to assume different personas anymore. With the obvious stake for the humans being that the latter group is willing to go genocidal and take over one of the most powerful nations in the world, which would obviously be undesirable.

Voss wrote:
AND defacto in charge of international espionage for 30 years. (So... Hydra, by the by...)

Oh wow. I can't believe I missed this. Skrulls were the secret power behind Fury's sucess. A secret cabal of shape-shifting infiltration specialists... WHO NEVER FIGURED OUT THAT HALF OF SHIELD WERE ACTUALLY HYDRA!? THEY COMPLETELY MISSED THIS FOR 20 YEARS!?

Also, it's incredibly annoying that Skrulls can't detect Skrulls when shape-shifting. You'd think a race that developed shape-shifting as a defense mechanism against outside threats would be able to tell who each other are at all times anyway.

 LordofHats wrote:
It goes back, at least in part, the bizarre decision to make the Skrull hapless underdogs in Captain Marvel, which was always an odd choice. I assume motivated by something in the comics.Wasn't there a little while the Skrull were good guys or something? IDK.

They kind of boxed themselves in a bit on that front.It's hard to walk back the Skrull being a big threat when you made them intergalactic hobos in a previous film.

IIRC the original Secret Invasion was more or less for the same reason (Skrulls got their ass kicked by the Kree and became homeless.)

The fundamental difference being that the Skrulls thought that Earth was some sort of prophesied promised land.

I can see why that got changed TBH, casting the Skrulls as some sort of zealots trying to claim somebody else's home as their own because a book said so has too many real world analogies these days to really be practical from a PR perspective.

Even in the context that some of the shows have potentially dubious readings of how the various factions are presented, that's probably too much.

In the comics, Galactus ate their homeworld.

Ah, ok, but the rest still holds true I think?

To the surprise of really no one, Marvel is previewing Kamala’s resurrection a mutant and member of the X-Men in the comics next month.

Disney+ Series ‘Ms. Marvel’ to Air on ABC This Summer - TV Insider

According to an ABC press release, the Emmy-nominated series will air in its entirety across two Saturdays, with the first three episodes airing on August 5 and the last three airing on August 12. The action kicks off at 8/7c on both nights.

Ms. Marvel’s ABC airings hype up the November 10 theatrical release of the movie The Marvels, in which Iman Vellani will reprise her role as the superpowered teen alongside Brie Larson as Carol Danvers a.k.a. Captain Marvel and Teyonah Parris as Monica Rambeau.

With the writers and actors on strike and Disney owning ABC I'm not surprised in the least (CBS did something similar with Star Trek: Discovery during the pandemic).

Secret Invasion E5

Yep.

I liked that. But…..gonna be best viewed on a binge I think. Which is no hardship as I’ve enjoyed this series.

Episode 5 is definitely the best episode so far. The actual stakes of what Fury has been up to have been revealed. He's heading to war. It's good.

How many Skrulls have been killed by a human so far this series?

 AduroT wrote:
How many Skrulls have been killed by a human so far this series?

More than is reasonable, since in early episodes they tend to die from being shot once in the shoulder.

So, I was trying to figure out my issue with this series for awhile and I did when gravik revealed his final plan, to just have them strike Russia.
This isn't some grand conspiracy story about taking over the government and world, causing paranoia and fear.
This is just some terrorist group with some high ranking infiltrates that just keep trying to poke the bear
Like really, how is wjat the skulls doing any different than them just bribing those higher ranked officials.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, I was trying to figure out my issue with this series for awhile and I did when gravik revealed his final plan, to just have them strike Russia.
This isn't some grand conspiracy story about taking over the government and world, causing paranoia and fear.
This is just some terrorist group with some high ranking infiltrates that just keep trying to poke the bear
Like really, how is wjat the skulls doing any different than them just bribing those higher ranked officials.

Nuclear war. They made it clear that both, the skrulls have no problem with higher levels of radiation and they want to basically terraform earth when humanity is gone. The spy game is about getting us to commit to killing ourselves.

Yeah, exactly. It wasn't some grand plan or anything, it's literally finding different ways to provoke war.
Nothing really unique is done with the Skrulls and the shape-shifting. Everyone just knows who the skulls are, everyone is sure.
There was a cool moment in the comics where Spider woman tries to convince Tony he is a deep undercover skrull.
No such moment here.

 Lance845 wrote:
Episode 5 is definitely the best episode so far. The actual stakes of what Fury has been up to have been revealed.

Yeah I dunno if finally revealing what this is all about 5 episodes into a 6 episode series is really a ringing endorsement...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Episode 5 is definitely the best episode so far. The actual stakes of what Fury has been up to have been revealed.

Yeah I dunno if finally revealing what this is all about 5 episodes into a 6 episode series is really a ringing endorsement...

It isn't and i wasn't saying that as a ringing endorsement. I was simply stating the fact that episode 5 is so far the best episode and provides a clear picture of the stakes.

I do stand by an opinion that this show, like most of them, is probably way better in a binge.

 Lance845 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, I was trying to figure out my issue with this series for awhile and I did when gravik revealed his final plan, to just have them strike Russia.
This isn't some grand conspiracy story about taking over the government and world, causing paranoia and fear.
This is just some terrorist group with some high ranking infiltrates that just keep trying to poke the bear
Like really, how is wjat the skulls doing any different than them just bribing those higher ranked officials.

Nuclear war. They made it clear that both, the skrulls have no problem with higher levels of radiation and they want to basically terraform earth when humanity is gone. The spy game is about getting us to commit to killing ourselves.

Its unclear how that would be a problem, though. They started this series with two heads of state of nuclear powers, high ranking officers, and can sneak multiple skrulls onto submarines. It just seems like if they want to push that button, it isn't actually that hard. At least, not for shapeshifting aliens with memory sifting tech. And again, they've been a major part of the international spy organization for thirty years. They've got access to all sorts of tech and secrets.

The British Prime minister announcing 'We declare war' and launching even a handful of missiles would trigger retaliation and there it is.
The series started with the Skrulls already having the winning hand, and just... not playing it.

Voss wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, I was trying to figure out my issue with this series for awhile and I did when gravik revealed his final plan, to just have them strike Russia.
This isn't some grand conspiracy story about taking over the government and world, causing paranoia and fear.
This is just some terrorist group with some high ranking infiltrates that just keep trying to poke the bear
Like really, how is wjat the skulls doing any different than them just bribing those higher ranked officials.

Nuclear war. They made it clear that both, the skrulls have no problem with higher levels of radiation and they want to basically terraform earth when humanity is gone. The spy game is about getting us to commit to killing ourselves.

Its unclear how that would be a problem, though. They started this series with two heads of state of nuclear powers, high ranking officers, and can sneak multiple skrulls onto submarines. It just seems like if they want to push that button, it isn't actually that hard. At least, not for shapeshifting aliens with memory sifting tech. And again, they've been a major part of the international spy organization for thirty years. They've got access to all sorts of tech and secrets.

The British Prime minister announcing 'We declare war' and launching even a handful of missiles would trigger retaliation and there it is.
The series started with the Skrulls already having the winning hand, and just... not playing it.

They called thor and the hulk a couple of nuclear warheads before. The Avengers and other super powered individuals are a major deterent. It's not enough to start a nuclear war. They need to build up a force of super skrulls that can both fight off any supers that come after them and defend the planet from anything else coming their way including the kree. Carol danvers turned away an orbital bombardment from a kree acuser and 2 other of their ships with her bare hands.

And that gets into what was revealed in Episode 5. Why they don't just kill fury. Why they don't just launch the nukes. What they want to get their hands on first.

Oh weird. Just saw another ad for Kamala’s resurrection and switch to X-Men mutant and it showed off her using her stretchy powers. I’m surprised she’s keeping those. Figured a whole part of killing, resurrecting, and changing her from Inhuman to Mutant would be to make her more like the MCU version and she’d end up changing to the hard light powers instead from the ordeal.

 AduroT wrote:
Oh weird. Just saw another ad for Kamala’s resurrection and switch to X-Men mutant and it showed off her using her stretchy powers. I’m surprised she’s keeping those. Figured a whole part of killing, resurrecting, and changing her from Inhuman to Mutant would be to make her more like the MCU version and she’d end up changing to the hard light powers instead from the ordeal.

I am not 100% sure MCU khamala will be keeping the hardlight powers forever. I have a feeling it has more to do with the bangle (which i still think is 1 of the negabands) and when/if she loses it her stretchy powers might come out.

 Lance845 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Oh weird. Just saw another ad for Kamala’s resurrection and switch to X-Men mutant and it showed off her using her stretchy powers. I’m surprised she’s keeping those. Figured a whole part of killing, resurrecting, and changing her from Inhuman to Mutant would be to make her more like the MCU version and she’d end up changing to the hard light powers instead from the ordeal.

I am not 100% sure MCU khamala will be keeping the hardlight powers forever. I have a feeling it has more to do with the bangle (which i still think is 1 of the negabands) and when/if she loses it her stretchy powers might come out.

Honestly I don't believe she'll get the 'stretchy powers' in the MCU as it will confuse casual viewers when the Fantastic Four movie eventually comes out.

Complete aside.

When the X-Men join the MCU?

Full. Orchestral. Version. Of. *That*. Theme.

Or I riot.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Complete aside.

When the X-Men join the MCU?

Full. Orchestral. Version. Of. *That*. Theme.

Or I riot.

Other than Deadpool 3? No idea, especially with the writers and actors on strike throwing a spanner in the works

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Full. Orchestral. Version. Of. *That*. Theme.

Or I riot.

They only need to do it over the Marvel Studios animation, much like the old Spooderman theme in Homecoming.

Honestly, I was happy with the little sting we got of it in Multiverse of Madness.

Maybe they can also fit in the Sega Genesis X-Men theme.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Maybe they can also fit in the Sega Genesis X-Men theme.

Best X-Men theme

 Lance845 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Oh weird. Just saw another ad for Kamala’s resurrection and switch to X-Men mutant and it showed off her using her stretchy powers. I’m surprised she’s keeping those. Figured a whole part of killing, resurrecting, and changing her from Inhuman to Mutant would be to make her more like the MCU version and she’d end up changing to the hard light powers instead from the ordeal.

I am not 100% sure MCU khamala will be keeping the hardlight powers forever. I have a feeling it has more to do with the bangle (which i still think is 1 of the negabands) and when/if she loses it her stretchy powers might come out.

I assumed the Quantum Bands given the entanglement but the Nega is more in line with Marvel.

One aspect of this which I think they placed the seeds for but who knows if it pays off, is these objects I think all all Kang artifacts.

The crystal structure in the bangles looks like the crystal structure in the 10 rings, which matches the crystal structure in the rings in kangs big time building.

All of this crap is Kang tech.


I did see a theory that the battle world of secret wars could end up being the void at the end of time. Everything gets killed/eliminated and gets dumped into the void. Fragments of multiple realities and multiple versions of people running around in the nothing waiting for Alioth to devour it.

We may have already gotten our glimpse of the end of this whole arc right from the beginning with Loki S1.

Currently off work due to unruly head weasels having a sustained scurry.

Which means tomorrow morning, I’ll probably get a brew on, and have a binge of Secret Invasion.