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 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...

I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".

The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.

The last 40k app works so well, I am definitely inclined to subscribe to this one!

yukishiro1 wrote:
The last 40k app works so well, I am definitely inclined to subscribe to this one!

- Attributed to some consumer, probably. Somewhere circa 2021

I fear they will come after battle report creators next for content.
TTT have their own app and their own videos and they basically run their business out a garage...

I think they are laying groundwork to milk of the expected success of Eisenhorn some time in the future.

All in all its a big "yieks....." from me. I don't care if its even a £1. I need another subscription about as much as I need a gaping wound on my head...

I give it a year at most before both their app and this thing disappears entirely.

This honestly feels like the first major mistake that GW have made since Rountree took over. They're going to take a big old loss on this.

If they want to make TV series with the Warhammer universes, the only sensible way is working with established media companies that can get them on Amazon Prime/Netflix etc and provide a reasonable budget. Not run their own, inevitably poor streaming services with a number of poorly funded shows.

Well I for one am interested in this. There is a lot of potential here, and many of the shows they announced today sound very interesting. Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

I was pleasantly surprised to see a couple of AoS shows in there as well. Also, I'd love to see battle reports come to a service like this, painting tips, hobby stuff and upcoming releases. Building a digital platform in todays market is very ambitions and smart, not even their largest competitors have tried it.

Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo

Yay, more carnography!

I mean... I bought a year of DC Universe when that service started, only to find they had limited movies and shows. The a year later they all go to HBO Max, and the wanted to charge the same for just the comics? I don't see how this could be any worse.

BTW I find trying to read comics on a computer annoying and unenjoyable.

Cronch wrote:

Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo

Looks pretty quality to me, not much different from stuff I watch for Star Wars on D+. Astartes 2 looks pretty neat.

I'm really excited for this, and what will come after. I really enjoyed the preview of angles of death.

Really? To me most of the stuff looked like 2010s in-game renders, like stuff you'd see done by fans on SFM or Blender.
And the 2d animation was choppy as heck and looked just..not great?

 Londinium wrote:
This honestly feels like the first major mistake that GW have made since Rountree took over.

...pardon?

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what do you consider "the increasingly toxic way in which they're marketing their products"?

They increasingly lump exclusively models behind bundles and they have also moved to a games + dlc model (look at necromunda).

Slipspace wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...

I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".

The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.

This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.

So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).

Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?

Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.

Cronch wrote:

Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo

Yeah, based on some numbers I've seen recently, a 22 minute animated episode is about $880,000*. And takes about a year or so from start to finish (a series will overlap in various stages of production as it moves from one team to another).
GW has an absurd number of shows in production at once for some reason, so they're going all in on this. (Probably about 60 million for these eleven shows assuming about 110 minutes each (either as 5 22 minute episodes or a single long feature). Now some of these probably won't cost as much because the animation style and quality varies pretty wildly. But their own 'bespoke' service is going to cost a pretty penny, too.

*going off what the animated Critical Role episodes are costing, by the same studio (Titmouse) that did Venture Brothers, ST: Lower Decks, and a bunch of other stuff.


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Finally got around to watching the Angels of Death preview- uh, huh. Not sure the color thing isn't a cost-cutting measure rather than 'artistic vision.' The lip sync is definitely terrible. A reasonable and friendly chaplain is just _weird_. As is a captain and deathwatch veteran as a twitchy little ferret.

But still, burying it behind their own little wall makes no sense to me. They don't have enough, and nothing jumps out as worth making an effort for. Sticking to their existing audience rather than reaching out just seems backwards.

As long as they're paying me to watch these cartoons, this app should do great. Obviously if it costs more than that, like free or something stupid, it won't garner much of the market.

It ALL depends on what the other benefits to subscribing are. They have a huge catalogue of audiobooks and audio dramas which would bulk out the offering substantially. They could throw in subscriptions to Azyr and the 40k app. They could say that anyone who subscribes for a year will get all the event/store opening models.

One thing to point out is that gw is growing massively. They recently announced that they made £150million profit this year. That's more than they made in revenue 5 years ago. They can afford a risky failure.

Voss wrote:

Cronch wrote:

Animation is a great medium for Warhammer as opposed to live action because it's cheaper to produce and they can do a lot more with it.

Not if you want quality animation. Which...did show imo

Yeah, based on some numbers I've seen recently, a 22 minute animated episode is about $880,000*. And takes about a year or so from start to finish (a series will overlap in various stages of production as it moves from one team to another).
GW has an absurd number of shows in production at once for some reason, so they're going all in on this. (Probably about 60 million for these eleven shows assuming about 110 minutes each (either as 5 22 minute episodes or a single long feature). Now some of these probably won't cost as much because the animation style and quality varies pretty wildly. But their own 'bespoke' service is going to cost a pretty penny, too.

*going off what the animated Critical Role episodes are costing, by the same studio (Titmouse) that did Venture Brothers, ST: Lower Decks, and a bunch of other stuff.


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Finally got around to watching the Angels of Death preview- uh, huh. Not sure the color thing isn't a cost-cutting measure rather than 'artistic vision.' The lip sync is definitely terrible. A reasonable and friendly chaplain is just _weird_. As is a captain and deathwatch veteran as a twitchy little ferret.

But still, burying it behind their own little wall makes no sense to me. They don't have enough, and nothing jumps out as worth making an effort for. Sticking to their existing audience rather than reaching out just seems backwards.

If it even cost Half.that.amount, i cant see this being anything but a complete financial disaster

Great I can watch orks go WAAAAAAGGHH!!!! all day long

I mean they even called it "Warhammer+".

I mean seriously, who do they think they are?

Chikout wrote:
It ALL depends on what the other benefits to subscribing are. They have a huge catalogue of audiobooks and audio dramas which would bulk out the offering substantially. They could throw in subscriptions to Azyr and the 40k app. They could say that anyone who subscribes for a year will get all the event/store opening models.

One thing to point out is that gw is growing massively. They recently announced that they made £150million profit this year. That's more than they made in revenue 5 years ago. They can afford a risky failure.

I'd feel much better about the service if it had access to a digital archive, maybe a package with White Dwarf or some kind of bonus. I don't have much faith in any of the animations beyond Astartes because he delivered an excellent finished product all on his own. I thought the clip they showed today was honestly the weakest one they showed. That does not look finished, especially the audio. I don't want them to fail, I want them to make smart decisions about the IP. They couldn't do something on youtube? They offer some "premium" services, and they'd be able to use the algorithm in their favor. Someone watching a battle report could go on to their channel. Why doesn't GW produce high quality battle reports? The fanbase does that, they should do so as well. They need a digital White Dwarf presence or something.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?

Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...

I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".

The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.

Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.

This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.

So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).

Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?

Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.

Tune in on June 23rd to get those kinds of answers. That's what the article said.

I feel weird about this. I think some of this has potential but if it's a streaming service I'd rather not pay much for it. Honestly most streaming services don't have much valid to watch. At least I like 40k and most of these series are 40k.

Maybe I'm the weird one here that didn't see the original title when I looked at warhammer community and honestly I have a serious bone to pick with GW in many ways but the 7 mins preview they showed seems decent. Somehow the art style of it reminds me of the aesthetic of the old starship troopers and starcraft cinematics from the 90s. It's gritty, dark, dirty and chunky. I've been missing that aesthetic for a long time now.

As far as wait and see goes I was dreading how my dark eldar would be too weak in games of 40k and now we are top tier with some really valid builds. We could still use new toys for dark eldar and gw disappoints a lot but I'm mixed these days instead of entirely disappointed.

Saw this a mile away. Of course they would enter the realm of streaming services. I would hope they price a subscription pretty low, the quality of animation they have shown so far is amateur at best. Not that that's a bad thing, they are giving smaller creators a job, which is always good. But they should charge accordingly.

That's fair but would you prefer something that looks sterile or very hollywood-esque. Maybe high budget takes away from the small company vibe the company used to have. I'd rather have low budget hardcore fans doing their thing than some faceless mega corporation.

Ofc the ultramarines movie from years back was terrible. GW can fail hard.

Modern animated fantasy sets the bar pretty high.

Castlevania oozes grimdark and is as close to classic old world Warhammer as anything is likely to get.

Then for high fantasy, there's stuff like The Dragon Prince, if GW took its 40k adventures approach and made it a little more serious in tone it could make something similar.

The only GW movie I watched was the Ultramarines movie, probably the worst animation I've ever convinced myself to sit through. Hopefully there's at least one gem in the dozen or so series worth watching.

I'd really rather see them do a single series well and have it succeed on Netflix than the scattergun approach.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
$1 a month, painting videos, weekly exclusive previews, access to BL digital content...

It COULD work.

Fold in a working army builder and rules access and then it could be worth $5.

Personally I find GW tutorials very lacking and on you tube, twitch etc you can find considerably better and the abundance is amazing ( free of charge).
Weekly news I would not pay 1 cent for Warhammer fest thing... I don't find paying for previews/publicity a good value for my money.
I don't consume BL.

Their painting lacks any sort of creativity or theory behind it. There is no "HEre is how you properly edge highlight, here is glazing too) They lack alot of concepts/

Warhammer+

"+"

Isn't it obvious?

This is part of Disney+ now.

Mark my words.

Stranger things have happened in the last year.

 CMLR wrote:
Warhammer+

"+"

Isn't it obvious?

This is part of Disney+ now.

Mark my words.

Stranger things have happened in the last year.

Oh I'm not doubting it. Disney own marvel and marvel is helping them along. Just would rather gw not get bought up by Disney but what you gonna do.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Warhammer+

"+"

Isn't it obvious?

This is part of Disney+ now.

Mark my words.

Stranger things have happened in the last year.

Oh I'm not doubting it. Disney own marvel and marvel is helping them along. Just would rather gw not get bought up by Disney but what you gonna do.

GW is not going to get bought by disney. worst case scenario someone from marvel put execs from both in the same room and they came to an agreement I would think