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Gadzilla666 wrote: Sooooo.......World Eaters update in June issue of WD, slated for June 17th. So, codex release sometime around then?
World Eaters Codex isn't coming this edition even, i bet, given they barely have any models to show off, and those get finished a few years before relase. And the WD update is supposed to give the players some kind of an update so they don't have to wait actual years for any attention.
I think they are pulling a League of Voltan with the WE codex. Which is to say, they have a bunch of stuff ready but they bidding their time to drum up hype.
Voss wrote: @Gadzilla- yeah. Between the combat patrol and the WD article, I'd assume that by mid-June, CSM codex is out. Busy month, really. I suspect by the end of this month, so they don't water down the HH release in June.
They wouldn't have much time to hype up the codex if it's up for pre-order by the end of the month. They'd really have to pack those articles in. Either way, I bet they'll start them next week. Finally, something concrete (or at least as concrete as anything Warcom ever puts out is).
Eh? I mean, we're at the preorder for DoK and NH, and the amount of 'hype articles' they've got up is... a grand total of six (seven? one is a reference to a battle report somewhere else) between them since April 21st. And a nice derail for the Skaven vs Trees battlebox (independent of the preview show coverage of other armies).
I don't think the hype articles are really framing/guiding release dates anymore. They're just kind of happen as they shovel stuff on to trucks.
Besides (and I'm fairly serious here): what else have they got in the wings to release?
Hmm....not a lot, actually. I guess I was just thinking that finally releasing the CSM codex after all of this time would warrant a little fanfare. But, the quicker the better. I think we've had enough time to "wait and see", by now.
I think what we will see is the 2 weeks before the release, we will have many more articles.
Here's what I see them releasing before Chaos Marines:
Ash Wastes rulebook + Squats
Sylvaneth vs Skaven Box set
Random out-of-nowhere specialist game release (Blood Bowl and Underworlds are notorious for popping up with no fanfare, just suddenly out)
Chaos Knights Codex, Knight Abominant kit, and Wardog kit. (The box set is out, but individual units are not, yet)
Reboxing of Imperial Knights (announced that Castellan and Valiant would be merged to one box and Armiger types would be merged to one box)
Kill Team Moroch (Traitor Guard vs Space Marines)
That could easily be 4-5 weeks of stuff, getting us right into June. I would then expect Preorder on the 11th or the 18th. Expect the hype to start taking off much higher at the start of June.
It is rather up in the air whether or not 30k will happen before this. If 30k is out end of May, then we could see Chaos Marines pushed to end of June.
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EviscerationPlague wrote: I just wanted to point out that Haarkan is on the cover of Warzone Nachmund but it apparently doesn't have rules for him. Talk about a headscratcher.
If they put his rules in the codex CSM, why put it in the warzone?
EviscerationPlague wrote: I just wanted to point out that Haarkan is on the cover of Warzone Nachmund but it apparently doesn't have rules for him. Talk about a headscratcher.
If they put his rules in the codex CSM, why put it in the warzone?
I'd like to have an updated profile where he isn't using just a D1 Lightning Claw, I dunno...
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'd like it if he could use his spear in melee...
We shouldn't complain though: Soon he'll be the only Jump Pack Lord we can get.
Unfortunately nothing surprises me anymore, but white Knights will lick it up.
Ride on black knight, I'm sure the windmills are threatening the maidens again.
More seriously, without pictures of the codex leaking I'm withholding judgement on things like what they're doing with Raptor wargear options because all we have are some playtest tidbits that could have changed or the information could be incomplete. I'm sure someone will come to scream "I told you so" if it turns out we're losing a bunch of options but I'd rather wait for a complete picture than be some reactionary like I'm running a Youtube channel.
Still finding it amusing that we can't get images of the CSM book yet but chunks of the Slaves to Darkness book leaked and that isn't out until the end of the year.
Voss wrote: @Gadzilla- yeah. Between the combat patrol and the WD article, I'd assume that by mid-June, CSM codex is out. Busy month, really. I suspect by the end of this month, so they don't water down the HH release in June.
They wouldn't have much time to hype up the codex if it's up for pre-order by the end of the month. They'd really have to pack those articles in. Either way, I bet they'll start them next week. Finally, something concrete (or at least as concrete as anything Warcom ever puts out is).
Eh? I mean, we're at the preorder for DoK and NH, and the amount of 'hype articles' they've got up is... a grand total of six (seven? one is a reference to a battle report somewhere else) between them since April 21st. And a nice derail for the Skaven vs Trees battlebox (independent of the preview show coverage of other armies).
I don't think the hype articles are really framing/guiding release dates anymore. They're just kind of happen as they shovel stuff on to trucks.
Besides (and I'm fairly serious here): what else have they got in the wings to release?
Hmm....not a lot, actually. I guess I was just thinking that finally releasing the CSM codex after all of this time would warrant a little fanfare. But, the quicker the better. I think we've had enough time to "wait and see", by now.
I think what we will see is the 2 weeks before the release, we will have many more articles.
Here's what I see them releasing before Chaos Marines:
Ash Wastes rulebook + Squats
Sylvaneth vs Skaven Box set
Random out-of-nowhere specialist game release (Blood Bowl and Underworlds are notorious for popping up with no fanfare, just suddenly out)
Chaos Knights Codex, Knight Abominant kit, and Wardog kit. (The box set is out, but individual units are not, yet)
Reboxing of Imperial Knights (announced that Castellan and Valiant would be merged to one box and Armiger types would be merged to one box)
Kill Team Moroch (Traitor Guard vs Space Marines)
That could easily be 4-5 weeks of stuff, getting us right into June. I would then expect Preorder on the 11th or the 18th. Expect the hype to start taking off much higher at the start of June.
Meh. Half of that could come on one day. Reboxes don't need a release slot, and a skirmish game book and squad is usually an 'and also...' kind of release. (See pretty much everything Middle Earth up for preorder today alongside the AoS books and Vanguards)
I'm not sure that's true about BB or Underworlds either. A lot of people don't pay attention to those releases, but they're still usually announced. Chaos Knights separately seems way too early.
And again on the articles- DoK and NH got about 3 each over the last three weeks. It isn't a priority, nor are releases contingent on them.
It is rather up in the air whether or not 30k will happen before this. If 30k is out end of May, then we could see Chaos Marines pushed to end of June.
HH box is very definitely June, barring some sort of utter disaster (maybe a last weekend preorder with 'real release' in July). And will be followed by a long tail of kits (already announced and otherwise), which is part of the reason I suspect Chaos is before. That and they already axed the start collecting and announced the combat patrol. I doubt either would have happened without a Soon release. Tomorrow will tell us a lot.
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Gadzilla666 wrote: Sooooo.......World Eaters update in June issue of WD, slated for June 17th. So, codex release sometime around then?
World Eaters Codex isn't coming this edition even, i bet, given they barely have any models to show off, and those get finished a few years before relase. And the WD update is supposed to give the players some kind of an update so they don't have to wait actual years for any attention.
I meant the CSM codex. Sorry for assuming that everyone could work that out. Obviously they're not going to release a World Eaters update for a World Eaters Codex.
Think about it this way though; people say things as dumb if not more so, unironically, with some regularity. Someone believing that the WE codex was hitting alongside a White Dwarf update isn't implausible, unfortunately.
Voss wrote: @Gadzilla- yeah. Between the combat patrol and the WD article, I'd assume that by mid-June, CSM codex is out. Busy month, really. I suspect by the end of this month, so they don't water down the HH release in June.
They wouldn't have much time to hype up the codex if it's up for pre-order by the end of the month. They'd really have to pack those articles in. Either way, I bet they'll start them next week. Finally, something concrete (or at least as concrete as anything Warcom ever puts out is).
Eh? I mean, we're at the preorder for DoK and NH, and the amount of 'hype articles' they've got up is... a grand total of six (seven? one is a reference to a battle report somewhere else) between them since April 21st. And a nice derail for the Skaven vs Trees battlebox (independent of the preview show coverage of other armies).
I don't think the hype articles are really framing/guiding release dates anymore. They're just kind of happen as they shovel stuff on to trucks.
Besides (and I'm fairly serious here): what else have they got in the wings to release?
Hmm....not a lot, actually. I guess I was just thinking that finally releasing the CSM codex after all of this time would warrant a little fanfare. But, the quicker the better. I think we've had enough time to "wait and see", by now.
I think what we will see is the 2 weeks before the release, we will have many more articles.
Here's what I see them releasing before Chaos Marines:
Ash Wastes rulebook + Squats
Sylvaneth vs Skaven Box set
Random out-of-nowhere specialist game release (Blood Bowl and Underworlds are notorious for popping up with no fanfare, just suddenly out)
Chaos Knights Codex, Knight Abominant kit, and Wardog kit. (The box set is out, but individual units are not, yet)
Reboxing of Imperial Knights (announced that Castellan and Valiant would be merged to one box and Armiger types would be merged to one box)
Kill Team Moroch (Traitor Guard vs Space Marines)
That could easily be 4-5 weeks of stuff, getting us right into June. I would then expect Preorder on the 11th or the 18th. Expect the hype to start taking off much higher at the start of June.
Meh. Half of that could come on one day. Reboxes don't need a release slot, and a skirmish game book and squad is usually an 'and also...' kind of release. (See pretty much everything Middle Earth up for preorder today alongside the AoS books and Vanguards)
I'm not sure that's true about BB or Underworlds either. A lot of people don't pay attention to those releases, but they're still usually announced. Chaos Knights separately seems way too early.
And again on the articles- DoK and NH got about 3 each over the last three weeks. It isn't a priority, nor are releases contingent on them.
It is rather up in the air whether or not 30k will happen before this. If 30k is out end of May, then we could see Chaos Marines pushed to end of June.
HH box is very definitely June, barring some sort of utter disaster (maybe a last weekend preorder with 'real release' in July). And will be followed by a long tail of kits (already announced and otherwise), which is part of the reason I suspect Chaos is before. That and they already axed the start collecting and announced the combat patrol. I doubt either would have happened without a Soon release. Tomorrow will tell us a lot.
It is true! Tomorrow should tell us quite a bit. That said, watch GW make a big deal out of releasing each of those things individually on different weeks to stretch out the time until we get some of the later stuff.
It's exactly the sort of thing that's happened in the past and could happen again.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'd like it if he could use his spear in melee...
We shouldn't complain though: Soon he'll be the only Jump Pack Lord we can get.
Unfortunately nothing surprises me anymore, but white Knights will lick it up.
Ride on black knight, I'm sure the windmills are threatening the maidens again.
More seriously, without pictures of the codex leaking I'm withholding judgement on things like what they're doing with Raptor wargear options because all we have are some playtest tidbits that could have changed or the information could be incomplete. I'm sure someone will come to scream "I told you so" if it turns out we're losing a bunch of options but I'd rather wait for a complete picture than be some reactionary like I'm running a Youtube channel.
Still finding it amusing that we can't get images of the CSM book yet but chunks of the Slaves to Darkness book leaked and that isn't out until the end of the year.
You DID see the various unit entries this edition, right?
drbored wrote: Here's what I see them releasing before Chaos Marines:
Ash Wastes rulebook + Squats
Sylvaneth vs Skaven Box set
Random out-of-nowhere specialist game release (Blood Bowl and Underworlds are notorious for popping up with no fanfare, just suddenly out)
Chaos Knights Codex, Knight Abominant kit, and Wardog kit. (The box set is out, but individual units are not, yet)
Reboxing of Imperial Knights (announced that Castellan and Valiant would be merged to one box and Armiger types would be merged to one box) Kill Team Moroch (Traitor Guard vs Space Marines)
Just to touch on the one in bold - that's already happened, I think they went on general sale yesterday, alongside the launch of the Codex.
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Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
drbored wrote: Here's what I see them releasing before Chaos Marines:
Ash Wastes rulebook + Squats
Sylvaneth vs Skaven Box set
Random out-of-nowhere specialist game release (Blood Bowl and Underworlds are notorious for popping up with no fanfare, just suddenly out)
Chaos Knights Codex, Knight Abominant kit, and Wardog kit. (The box set is out, but individual units are not, yet)
Reboxing of Imperial Knights (announced that Castellan and Valiant would be merged to one box and Armiger types would be merged to one box) Kill Team Moroch (Traitor Guard vs Space Marines)
Just to touch on the one in bold - that's already happened, I think they went on general sale yesterday, alongside the launch of the Codex.
They also mentioned the chaos knights won't be for either a few weeks or months I forget.
I could see them dropping the chaos knight codex and kits alongside individual releases of the warpsmith and chosen. Would be thematic and a way to get all the box locked models out together before the csm book and cultist stuff.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'd like it if he could use his spear in melee...
We shouldn't complain though: Soon he'll be the only Jump Pack Lord we can get.
Unfortunately nothing surprises me anymore, but white Knights will lick it up.
Ride on black knight, I'm sure the windmills are threatening the maidens again.
More seriously, without pictures of the codex leaking I'm withholding judgement on things like what they're doing with Raptor wargear options because all we have are some playtest tidbits that could have changed or the information could be incomplete. I'm sure someone will come to scream "I told you so" if it turns out we're losing a bunch of options but I'd rather wait for a complete picture than be some reactionary like I'm running a Youtube channel.
Still finding it amusing that we can't get images of the CSM book yet but chunks of the Slaves to Darkness book leaked and that isn't out until the end of the year.
You DID see the various unit entries this edition, right?
You mean the two ruleless instruction sheets? Yes. But those aren't codex entries. And if GW did leave off traditional options like lightning claws out of a melee weapons wargear list that's not on the datasheet then raising a stink about it is something the community should do just like Eldar players did with the Autarch. I just don't light my torch and grab a pitchfork until I know I'm not jumping to conclusions based on incomplete playtester info.
Voss wrote: HH box is very definitely June, barring some sort of utter disaster (maybe a last weekend preorder with 'real release' in July). And will be followed by a long tail of kits (already announced and otherwise), which is part of the reason I suspect Chaos is before. That and they already axed the start collecting and announced the combat patrol. I doubt either would have happened without a Soon release. Tomorrow will tell us a lot.
I have also the feeling we get Codex Chaos Space Marine before Horus Heresy....
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H.B.M.C. wrote: The fact that it didn't show individual profiles for the various weapon types is pretty telling that they don't exist anymore.
I was thinking more about lightning claw access for Chaos Lords or Aspring Champions personally.
Accrused Weapon access would be a good second options even if it's not on the datasheet (could be Chosen and Terminators pay different points for them for example than everyone else if it is split).
I'll save my strongly worded, but polite emails to GW for when I can see the actual book though so I can know what is or isn't there and go from there.
H.B.M.C and EviscerationPlague were discussing the supposed unavailability of jump packs for Chaos Lords, not lighting claws. The leaks say that Chaos Lords can have "any melee weapons" besides the base loadout of hammer + plasma pistol, but not jump packs. Which I'm still putting down to these leaks being based off of old playtest rules, as those options don't even conform to GW's moronic "you get what's in the box" paradigm. The BSF Chaos Lord that the hammer + plasma pistol loadout is based on only comes with those two weapons, and converting him to anything else, or any other Legion besides Black Legion would require more conversion than just simple kitbashing. You'd need to break out the knife and files. But doing the same with Haarken would only require a kitbash. It just doesn't make sense.
On the AoS side, we've seen leaks of Alarielle's new warscroll. In previous versions, she couldn't use her spear in melee. She will be able to with the new version.
I know it's a different system with a different team, but it still brings a bit of hope.
Rihgu wrote: Regarding Haarken and using his spear in melee...
On the AoS side, we've seen leaks of Alarielle's new warscroll. In previous versions, she couldn't use her spear in melee. She will be able to with the new version.
I know it's a different system with a different team, but it still brings a bit of hope.
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Rihgu wrote: Regarding Haarken and using his spear in melee...
On the AoS side, we've seen leaks of Alarielle's new warscroll. In previous versions, she couldn't use her spear in melee. She will be able to with the new version.
I know it's a different system with a different team, but it still brings a bit of hope.
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I thought this was GW, where hope is the first step on the road to disappointment?
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Alrighty, there's the confirmation of Skaven vs Sylvaneth box coming up for pre-order next week. If we knock out the other things that I missed in various releases, the list now looks like:
Ash Wastes rulebook + Squats
Random out-of-nowhere specialist game release (Blood Bowl and Underworlds are notorious for popping up with no fanfare, just suddenly out)
Chaos Knights Codex, Knight Abominant kit, and Wardog kit. (The box set is out, but individual units are not, yet)
Kill Team Moroch (Traitor Guard vs Space Marines)
drbored wrote: Alrighty, there's the confirmation of Skaven vs Sylvaneth box coming up for pre-order next week. If we knock out the other things that I missed in various releases, the list now looks like:
Ash Wastes rulebook + Squats
Random out-of-nowhere specialist game release (Blood Bowl and Underworlds are notorious for popping up with no fanfare, just suddenly out)
Chaos Knights Codex, Knight Abominant kit, and Wardog kit. (The box set is out, but individual units are not, yet)
Kill Team Moroch (Traitor Guard vs Space Marines)
There was that Adepticon Q&A session where a gw representative said that it was "possible" that CSM would come after the CK box set but before the release of the standalone Knights codexes (which would most likely be when they'd release the new CK models separately).
drbored wrote: Alrighty, there's the confirmation of Skaven vs Sylvaneth box coming up for pre-order next week. If we knock out the other things that I missed in various releases, the list now looks like:
Ash Wastes rulebook + Squats
Random out-of-nowhere specialist game release (Blood Bowl and Underworlds are notorious for popping up with no fanfare, just suddenly out)
Chaos Knights Codex, Knight Abominant kit, and Wardog kit. (The box set is out, but individual units are not, yet)
Kill Team Moroch (Traitor Guard vs Space Marines)
There was that Adepticon Q&A session where a gw representative said that it was "possible" that CSM would come after the CK box set but before the release of the standalone Knights codexes (which would most likely be when they'd release the new CK models separately).
I bet that plan has changed since the IK codex came out with the CK boxset. I am really hoping it won't be that long between the releases here.
With the Sylvaneth v Skaven boxset up, I think this really shows that CSM should be in early June now.
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