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2022/06/19 19:14:50
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
cole1114 wrote: So what the heck happened to traitor guard being playable with CSM?
Who said that they would be?
Traitor guard is a whole army unto itself.
Warcom. In the article for the Killteam box in which the Traitor Guardsmen are one of the two teams, they specifically mentioned that the Traitor Guardsmen would "make a good addition to a CSM army".
Obviously, what you were supposed to take from that, was that the Traitor Guardsmen, using only some of the options in the kit, used in an allied Servants of the Abyss detachment, would make a good addition to a CSM army. Duh.
Well, apparently they promised a year of chaos. We just didn't know that meant the releases would be a fething mess.
What else could go wrong with this release?
WarCom wrote:We told you 2022 was going to be the year of Chaos – and unlike the forces of the Archenemy, we at Warhammer Community would never lead you astray.
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2022/06/19 19:44:14
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
cole1114 wrote: So what the heck happened to traitor guard being playable with CSM?
Who said that they would be?
Traitor guard is a whole army unto itself.
Warcom. In the article for the Killteam box in which the Traitor Guardsmen are one of the two teams, they specifically mentioned that the Traitor Guardsmen would "make a good addition to a CSM army".
Obviously, what you were supposed to take from that, was that the Traitor Guardsmen, using only some of the options in the kit, used in an allied Servants of the Abyss detachment, would make a good addition to a CSM army. Duh.
But they're also no longer legal...
2022/06/19 20:43:28
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Venomcrawler. I do wonder what will happen with regard to the shadowspear stuff. The MOP is due an individual release but the other sprues are all mixed together and obsolete with the new combat patrol. The range is a bit messy at the moment. I do wonder if generic csm will be the bad guys for the 10th starter set next year so they can put out another wave to complete the range.
2022/06/19 21:44:05
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
But they're SOOOO proud of the art on the cover that they're selling a print of it, despite you not being able to actually make a Chaos Lord like that.
I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
Really, really disappointed.
At least I got 30k to tide me over for the next 3 years.
2022/06/19 21:48:10
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Bikers. Seriously. The current kit only comes with Combi-Bolters, and we've already seen the box and assembly instructions for it. But the unit itself has loads of options in the points section. It's likely that the rules were written for the so far unseen (but featured in the so far incredibly accurate model leak) new Biker models, considering how gw writes rules for unit options in 9th edition codexes. It's possible that they're being held up by production issues. But they're coming. It's the only explanation for all of those options. Gw wouldn't allow them otherwise.
2022/06/19 22:18:12
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Bikers. Seriously. The current kit only comes with Combi-Bolters, and we've already seen the box and assembly instructions for it. But the unit itself has loads of options in the points section. It's likely that the rules were written for the so far unseen (but featured in the so far incredibly accurate model leak) new Biker models, considering how gw writes rules for unit options in 9th edition codexes. It's possible that they're being held up by production issues. But they're coming. It's the only explanation for all of those options. Gw wouldn't allow them otherwise.
Those biker options are the same they had in previous editions, going back all the way to even earlier editions of the game. They're not a hint of what they will have, they're more just a copy-paste of what they've had so far.
Ironic that in one datasheet they'll respect what people have built and collected and converted for 20 years, but in the next datasheet they crap all over that.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Everything is inconsistent in this book. Why do Terminators get rules for their power fists, but Chosen don't? Why do Chaos Lords have options that require kitbashing/converting, but Exalted Champions get stuck with a single loadout? Why is it ok to kitbash/convert those Chaos Lord weapons, but not a jump pack? Why does a PA Chaos Lord have to pay for melee weapons, but Chaos Lords in Terminator Armour get them for "free"?
Nothing makes sense. There is absolutely no consistency, no plan, no design parameters. It's just arbitrary rules, over and over and over. This codex was designed by madmen.
Scottywan82 wrote: I've been thinking about it and I almost wish they'd gone the Primaris route with Chaos. At least when Space Marines got Primaris models that were all kitlocked nonsense, they left the firstborn units as they were. True, they made the rules suck, but they didn't invalidate units or armies.
For Chaos they just decided to feth over everyone who'd ever converted a model instead.
Not even converted. Multiple meltas or plasmaguns in a squad has been a normal thing for a long time. Now its absolutely and utterly forbidden.
Completely unrelated, but how are Grey Hunters and BT Crusader squads allowed to be equipped these days?
It's even inconsistent in the same book, the limit doesn't look to apply to bikers.
Everything is inconsistent in this book. Why do Terminators get rules for their power fists, but Chosen don't? Why do Chaos Lords have options that require kitbashing/converting, but Exalted Champions get stuck with a single loadout? Why is it ok to kitbash/convert those Chaos Lord weapons, but not a jump pack? Why does a PA Chaos Lord have to pay for melee weapons, but Chaos Lords in Terminator Armour get them for "free"?
Nothing makes sense. There is absolutely no consistency, no plan, no design parameters. It's just arbitrary rules, over and over and over. This codex was designed by madmen.
Well, it is a Chaos codex. Madmen are to be expected
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2022/06/19 23:02:00
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Bikers. Seriously. The current kit only comes with Combi-Bolters, and we've already seen the box and assembly instructions for it. But the unit itself has loads of options in the points section. It's likely that the rules were written for the so far unseen (but featured in the so far incredibly accurate model leak) new Biker models, considering how gw writes rules for unit options in 9th edition codexes. It's possible that they're being held up by production issues. But they're coming. It's the only explanation for all of those options. Gw wouldn't allow them otherwise.
Those biker options are the same they had in previous editions, going back all the way to even earlier editions of the game. They're not a hint of what they will have, they're more just a copy-paste of what they've had so far.
Ironic that in one datasheet they'll respect what people have built and collected and converted for 20 years, but in the next datasheet they crap all over that.
They haven't "respected" anything in this codex, including the bikers. They gave Bikers those options because they have models that have them somewhere in the pipeline. Look at this mess. Nothing is being respected. Nothing. Not Terminators, not Chosen. Not our characters. NOTHING!
Their manufacturing and/or distribution has been screwed up. That's the only reason that we haven't seen the models yet. If they had written those rules with the current models in mind, then they would have Combi-Bolters, and nothing more.
2022/06/19 23:02:04
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
cole1114 wrote: So what the heck happened to traitor guard being playable with CSM?
Who said that they would be?
Traitor guard is a whole army unto itself.
Warcom. In the article for the Killteam box in which the Traitor Guardsmen are one of the two teams, they specifically mentioned that the Traitor Guardsmen would "make a good addition to a CSM army".
Obviously, what you were supposed to take from that, was that the Traitor Guardsmen, using only some of the options in the kit, used in an allied Servants of the Abyss detachment, would make a good addition to a CSM army. Duh.
No, you're supposed to obviously use them as shooty cultists, given GW doesn't give you those
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2022/06/19 23:30:34
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Bikers. Seriously. The current kit only comes with Combi-Bolters, and we've already seen the box and assembly instructions for it. But the unit itself has loads of options in the points section. It's likely that the rules were written for the so far unseen (but featured in the so far incredibly accurate model leak) new Biker models, considering how gw writes rules for unit options in 9th edition codexes. It's possible that they're being held up by production issues. But they're coming. It's the only explanation for all of those options. Gw wouldn't allow them otherwise.
Those biker options are the same they had in previous editions, going back all the way to even earlier editions of the game. They're not a hint of what they will have, they're more just a copy-paste of what they've had so far.
Ironic that in one datasheet they'll respect what people have built and collected and converted for 20 years, but in the next datasheet they crap all over that.
They haven't "respected" anything in this codex, including the bikers. They gave Bikers those options because they have models that have them somewhere in the pipeline. Look at this mess. Nothing is being respected. Nothing. Not Terminators, not Chosen. Not our characters. NOTHING!
Their manufacturing and/or distribution has been screwed up. That's the only reason that we haven't seen the models yet. If they had written those rules with the current models in mind, then they would have Combi-Bolters, and nothing more.
Agreed. There is no way those options would be in the book if the New Bikers were not coming. Add on that the super leak had new bikes and it's clear there is something holding these back from release at this time.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Everything is inconsistent in this book. Why do Terminators get rules for their power fists, but Chosen don't? Why do Chaos Lords have options that require kitbashing/converting, but Exalted Champions get stuck with a single loadout? Why is it ok to kitbash/convert those Chaos Lord weapons, but not a jump pack? Why does a PA Chaos Lord have to pay for melee weapons, but Chaos Lords in Terminator Armour get them for "free"?
Nothing makes sense. There is absolutely no consistency, no plan, no design parameters. It's just arbitrary rules, over and over and over. This codex was designed by madmen.
Well then I guess we hit peak "chaos" then.
I'd rather they nail a theme and make it make sense though.
Their manufacturing and/or distribution has been screwed up. That's the only reason that we haven't seen the models yet. If they had written those rules with the current models in mind, then they would have Combi-Bolters, and nothing more.
The models aren't in the codex, so I doubt that's the reason why. I mean this is the same company who didn't give us the updated Daemon Prince rules because it won't be out until later this year.
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ArcaneHorror wrote: I wonder if the Death Guard and Thousand Sons will be getting Let The Galaxy Burn, as the World Eaters seem to be getting it.
You don't really want warpflamers getting more hits, do you?
I mean, I do, but I'm biased.
I rather prefer to not play the flavor of the month.
I've avoided flamers in CSM so much in the past I'm having a hard time thinking of how to pack them in for fun. Honestly the +2 must be because they don't benefit from any explosions so this was the way to not make them totally worthless in context.
Their manufacturing and/or distribution has been screwed up. That's the only reason that we haven't seen the models yet. If they had written those rules with the current models in mind, then they would have Combi-Bolters, and nothing more.
The models aren't in the codex, so I doubt that's the reason why. I mean this is the same company who didn't give us the updated Daemon Prince rules because it won't be out until later this year.
No, they didn't give us the updated Daemon Prince rules because the rules writers most likely hadn't seen the new model yet. Remember, first come the models then the rules. The Bikers were part of the very accurate model leak. The new Daemon Prince wasn't. That means that the rules writers had a greater opportunity to actually see the Bikers, as those models were done further back. This especially makes sense if this codex was in the bag a long time ago. Which is how it looks, IMO.
As for your other statement, H.B.M.C covered that:
I'd rather they nail a theme and make it make sense though.
Poor/inconsistent writing =/= Chaos.
You want to say Chaos = random? I'd disagree, but you can try to make that argument. But Chaos = weird, inconsistent, directionless rules writing? No. This mess doesn't even cover "random". It's just a dumpster fire. It looks like they couldn't make up their minds what they wanted to do from unit to unit. No one could possibly think all of this aimless, directionless rules writing could = fun. Maybe if they had picked a lane and stuck with it, but they didn't. It's like everything was written in fits and spurts, with multiple changes in design philosophy along the way, but never going back to apply the new philosophy to the stuff that was done with the previous one.
Quick question- I see under Legionaires that they can take some kind on tome to make the unit Psychic but I don't see any point cost for the tome. So is the tome a free upgrade or am I missing something?
2022/06/20 01:41:08
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
That's what I suspected. But, we obviously can't expect the same rules consideration as Eldar for CSM. Much less for the "Scary" Legion. Not from the current 40k rules team. 30k, though, that's a different story. Those guys get the Legions, including the 8th.
Imagine if they had written this book. If only.....
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Leo_the_Rat wrote: Quick question- I see under Legionaires that they can take some kind on tome to make the unit Psychic but I don't see any point cost for the tome. So is the tome a free upgrade or am I missing something?
It's +20 points for the squad. Balefire Tome. First option, top of the list.
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