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Santtu wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
but his original rules were barely BL tied anyways!

Originally he only buffed BL Raptors, but people complained enough to cause GW to amend his rules.

No, GW had said in their previews he buffed all Raptors. In the final rules, he didn't - so people forced them to correct this.

Is there any link that has all of the pics for the leaks? I can only find them scattered in this tread and it is hard to find due to the debate on the equipping the models.

A link would be appreciated if someone has it handy.

As to the equipment load outs it sucks when people converted models that they can't use now as the squad they intended or weird ones like CSM not being able to duplicate weapons, but under the old rules there were probably to many options, many of which were never used (how many mace wielding combi-flamer terminators do you see?) I mean the simple solution would be to sell an upgrade pack (you know like they do for Horus Heresy) for terminators, chosen etc. but I guess they don't like money that much. I am a fan of the accursed weapons just for the reason that power maul, sword, ax don't need different profiles with minor differences.

The thing that really does get my blood up though is the removal of the jump pack lord. I mean they were selling a model for that literally 6 months ago. And the fix is easy, just make it a separate data sheet, Lord with Jump pack, and he comes equipped with two "Demonically infused close combat weapons" i.e. lightning claws. Yes it would suck that he would not have options for guns etc., but at least a jump pack lord could be used as most people don't have a problem with proxying a weapon or two. And Harkan could also be used as a generic in that way as he is armed with two close combat weapons. Maybe if enough people email GW after the book release they will drop a dataslate for a jump lord based on the model kind of in the same vein as they did for the Autarch for Eldar.

Sorry I know it isn't a whine about kit restrictions, flavour or jump packs but this scheme makes the possessed look wayyy better

Dudeface wrote:
Sorry I know it isn't a whine about kit restrictions, flavour or jump packs but this scheme makes the possessed look wayyy better

hmm, i'd love to see them in wb scheme instead. Or WE for that daemonkin feel.

Article title really worried me for a moment (the preview clipped it). I thought for a moment they were going to last-minute introduce another stupid mechanic for random spawnhood for characters.

But its just the Crusade article:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/24/codex-chaos-space-marines-turns-you-into-a-spawn-or-a-warlord-with-new-crusade-rules/


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I actually don't like that color scheme. Seems too flat/unremarkable

Are they showing off the new daemon prince in the other pic?

I think that is just a conversion of the current DP.

Sometimes the simplest conversions can look great. The simple "I added an extra head" is a great example of that in this case.

I really like the pale flesh contrasting with the dark armour on the possessed.

The current DP is more than a little basic but it can look decent with some minor conversions, I've seen plenty that look way better than the vanilla out-of-the-box look.

Does anybody know why they haven't released the new one yet? it seems odd that they previewed it a while ago but the old version is still in the new codex.

It leaked, but wasn't intended to come out until Sigmar's STD or the Daemon Codex. But they didn't want to leave the potato cam pic as the only thing.

... and I suspect they realized by Warhammer Fest that they needed to generate as much good will towards Chaos as they could, while they still could.

That conversion of the DP is so simple and yet is looking awesome!

Ok, so at least some options for the new possessed. Mace hand can have a stabby hand, and the boney possessed does not need to be built dismantling a primaris

Also, not really an option, but for those who hate the big meaty obliterator thighs that half of the models have, you can just paint it like armor. The champion looks a little less silly now

The Crusade rules sound like they have a lot of potential.

The negative consequences are a bit of a concern, as many factions DON'T have drawbacks this severe built into their bespoke content...

I'll hold off with further speculation til I've seen the full rules... But it's definitely going to be interesting.

PenitentJake wrote:
The Crusade rules sound like they have a lot of potential.

The negative consequences are a bit of a concern, as many factions DON'T have drawbacks this severe built into their bespoke content...

I'll hold off with further speculation til I've seen the full rules... But it's definitely going to be interesting.

Our group is holding out for this book before starting a crusade campaign using the Vigilus map from Risk. I’ll probably be running Iron Warriors and maybe chaos knights as a second faction. Been really digging crusade recently.

Any hints as to when GW will sell Obliterators again?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Any hints as to when GW will sell Obliterators again?

Who knows, it might be never.

blood reaper wrote:

Spoiler:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, WHACKY IDEA folks: just allow the Harkon model to be built as either Harkon or a Chaos Lord with a Jump Pack. That way, anyone who wants to use Harkon (all three of them) can have him. And everyone else, can have a Jump Lord.

I've been over this about a hundred times, but again: it is far easier to convert the Harkon model into a Jump Lord from another Legion, and with different weapons, than the Obsideus Mallex model. Harkon has the same basic construction of standard CSM infantry models, IE: Legionaries, Chosen, Raptors, Warp Talons, and Havocs. You can use any arms, weapons, shoulders pads, or heads from those kits with it with no problem. All you need is glue. Obsideus Mallex? Not so much. If it's ok by gw for people to use the Obsideus Mallex model as a Chaos Lord in an Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, or Night Lords army, and arm it with all of those weapons that don't come in the kit, then the same should apply to the Harkon model.

Yeah I didn't explain myself super clearly. I'm not saying we remove Harkon from the lore. I'm saying we keep him in the lore, but make his rules generic - i.e., he is no longer tied to the Black Legion - but his original rules were barely BL tied anyways!

Ok, but that isn't what I'm suggesting. I'm saying that the model should be usable as both Harkon and a generic Chaos Lord with a Jump Pack, in the same way that the Obsideus Mallex model can be used as just a generic Chaos Lord.

Otherwise, there's going to be only one character in the whole of the Traitor Legions that has figured out how to operate a jump pack. Which is just silly.

Rogerio134134 wrote:Where's the rest of the leaks.....

I'm sure all will be revealed tomorrow when the NDAs drop.

@Dudeface: That particular color scheme makes everything look better.

Though they really skimped on the lighting, IMO.

PenitentJake wrote:
The Crusade rules sound like they have a lot of potential.

The negative consequences are a bit of a concern, as many factions DON'T have drawbacks this severe built into their bespoke content...

I'll hold off with further speculation til I've seen the full rules... But it's definitely going to be interesting.

Can't speak for the disgusting Death Guard, but the Thousand Sons also have a system for Chaos Boons and can suffer Spawndom as a result.

I don't know if this has been discussed yet:

I like the new Abaddon rules, I really do. However, even after the balance patch from earlier this week, Abaddon will utterly curb stomp Roboute Guilliman.

I know they are trying to give every faction their "uber character" and that's fine. It just kind of confuses me when a marine can do that kind of stuff to a Primarch.

Yes, I know RG's fluff is mostly that he's a buffing character, but seriously, even the physically weakest Primarch should beat the best marine. I know Abaddon has the blessings of 4 gods and great artifact weapons, but even with those I think he should edge out a win, not totally dominate.

Hard disagree. Basically if the chaos gods juice you your as strong as they want you to be. Realistically chaos matines should be far more powerful then regular marines. After all a simple primarch stomped big E.

Guilliman slept for 10k years while Abby went to the Gym.

Boosykes wrote:
Hard disagree. Basically if the chaos gods juice you your as strong as they want you to be. Realistically chaos matines should be far more powerful then regular marines. After all a simple primarch stomped big E.

It's still hilarious that Primaris Marines were basically supposed to even the odds with Chaos, but then CSM spent years playing catch up instead.

Looks like Drach'nyen is also stronger than the Emperor's Sword

Yeah, if Chaos ascendant blessing put a Primarch above the Emperor it makes sense it would put a marine above a Primarch. Abby also has WAY more experience than Guilliman at this point, and better wargear to boot.

There's a translation of the Disco lord from a Spanish copy on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/vk8p4a/lord_discordant_datasheet_translated_from_spanish/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Thats pretty lame for a vehicle hunter. Getting into melee with an enemy vehicle wont be easy. Fast vehicle will just move away, other vehicles will be screened. AP-3 and -2 isnt much when imperial vehicles benefit from armour of contempt, some even have a 2+ sv.

 p5freak wrote:
Thats pretty lame for a vehicle hunter. Getting into melee with an enemy vehicle wont be easy. Fast vehicle will just move away, other vehicles will be screened. AP-3 and -2 isnt much when imperial vehicles benefit from armour of contempt, some even have a 2+ sv.

He's fantastic into medium-heavy infantry by contrast. I don't think he should be viewed as a vehicle killer so much as a vehicle manipulator.

The drop to 9W is a big buff, the loss of the aura is a big nerf. Reckon he's just a prince alternative now.

Liam Dempsey's review of the codex goes live at 5 AM. It's subtitled "Ruined before release". Doesn't sound positive. And Liam is a pretty chill guy........

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Yeah, if Chaos ascendant blessing put a Primarch above the Emperor it makes sense it would put a marine above a Primarch. Abby also has WAY more experience than Guilliman at this point, and better wargear to boot.

But it didn't make Horus better than the Emperor. The Emperor spent the majority of the fight trying to talk Horus down, and didn't want to kill his son. Horus basically got a bunch of free hits without a threat of any major return hits. Even after mortally wounding the Emperor the Emperor took out Horus with a single psychic blast.

Dudeface wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Thats pretty lame for a vehicle hunter. Getting into melee with an enemy vehicle wont be easy. Fast vehicle will just move away, other vehicles will be screened. AP-3 and -2 isnt much when imperial vehicles benefit from armour of contempt, some even have a 2+ sv.

He's fantastic into medium-heavy infantry by contrast. I don't think he should be viewed as a vehicle killer so much as a vehicle manipulator.

The drop to 9W is a big buff, the loss of the aura is a big nerf. Reckon he's just a prince alternative now.

I expected the aura to go away, since daemon engines are now 3+.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Liam Dempsey's review of the codex goes live at 5 AM. It's subtitled "Ruined before release". Doesn't sound positive. And Liam is a pretty chill guy........

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