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 Nevelon wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Great. The terminators on their own sprue so I guess we won’t get a multipart kit any time soon…

Though the arms not being attached is a plus

IIRC the assault intercessors from the indomnus box were the same, and we didn’t have long of a wait there.

Also, ETB AI kit was good in that it had some options, too, only really missing the power fist (which every SM player had multiple spares of anyway). I really hope this is the case here as well and you're not forced to take the assault cannon and/or there is extra spare fist so you can built 10 strong squad...

 Nevelon wrote:
I can’t see them wanting to have these guys as the tactical terminator kit on the shelf next to the old assault one. I could see them just merging them into one duel build kit, just to remove some of the SKU bloat of the range.

Zero chance of it. Smaller HH termies need whole extra sprue merely to consolidate dual claws into tactical termie kit, storm shields and hammers would take so much more frame space the combined kit would need to be the size of old Start Collecting box for 5 strong unit. Sure, GW can do that, if you don't mind paying 100$ for 5 dudes with static/running poses that don't make sense for one half of the loadout

EightFoldPath wrote:
It looks like this edition is about to be a fun game of find the pair.

The Falcon and Hekaton Land Fortress both have the Fire Support rule. Guard Squads and Squat Squads have the same CP refund rule. Genestealers and Legionaries have the same re-roll wounds on objectives rule. As long as they have hired a competent copy and paste servitor/intern and can keep the wording consistent it should be ok. I have noticed they always explain certain USRs for guns on the data sheets, so far being one shot, conversion and pick from two profiles, which is odd. It seems like GW picked what they think will be hard to remember rules for this, but one shot feels very easy to remember, so I'm not sure.

Speaking of - this dude has a pair (the reroll charge thing) all to himself

The only option the ETB Assault Intercessors had for the Sarge was to give him a Plasma Pistol. It had none of the melee options nor the hand flamer.

Using the right parts from that EZ build Assault Intercessor kit, you could have an Assault Intercessor Sergeant with a Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Plasma Pistol and two helmets!

 Platuan4th wrote:
The only option the ETB Assault Intercessors had for the Sarge was to give him a Plasma Pistol. It had none of the melee options nor the hand flamer.

It can build chainsword either in hand or sheathed, with the latter being one minute of conversion work from power sword in sheath. There, done.

But yeah, my bad, it doesn't have so-useless-no-one-ever-takes-it pistol I genuinely forgot exist. Which would be an issue if anyone ever wanted it

One thing that the ETB assault intercessors and the new ETB terminators share are the EZ-clip arm pegs. One quick snip and you are free for arm swaps

So if you just need bodies to mod, they should be fairly easy to kitbash.

Unlike the 8th edition intercessors, who’s arms were often cut at the elbow, or shoulder, or all sorts of places which made it real hard to build them as anything but stock.

Nothing really to swap them with yet, though, given that these are up-scaled Terminators.

We'd have to wait for the full kit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing really to swap them with yet, though, given that these are up-scaled Terminators.

We'd have to wait for the full kit.

True. We’ll see how much the scale has changed. But even with just this kit you should be able to swap the arms around amongst them so if you were building 2 sets of 5 they would not have to be identical. That’s something.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well I am just happy that Votann got their ass kicked by nerfhammer.

So you know all rules and points to be able to say so? From what gw has shown they could be #1 wr in 10e and thus got buff

Yeah, seems short-sighted to me. We don't know how 10th really functions, so being happy that an army got "nerfed" in a rule set we haven't used seems premature. Unless it's Tau. Screw the Tau!

GW nerfs things between editions because they have this weird gold-fish memory when it comes to balance, but being happy about it strikes me as odd.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

Khahandran wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
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The Falcon and Hekaton Land Fortress both have the Fire Support rule.

Funny thing that no one has noticed, but the Falcon and Hekaton have different wording on Fire Support rule. Falcon says till the end of turn and so supports melee, Hekaton end of phase and so only supports shooting.

Admittedly a fair point, but unless either supports a charge after disembarking if the vehicle moves, shouldn't provide much actual difference.

Why wouldn't it make a difference? One supporting just shooting, and the other supporting shooting and melee is a difference. If Falcon keeps Cloudstrike as well, that's pretty much a guarantee it'll make a difference. Even without, it'll still get used.

It's also written as a USR seeing it even has the same name and got called out as such in the transport article. It should have the same wording.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well I am just happy that Votann got their ass kicked by nerfhammer.

Which faction(s) do you play, Sotahullu?

I think its certain the multi part Terminator kit is coming for a few obvious reasons.

Assault Terminators
Cyclone missile launcher
Deathwing Terminators
Wolf Guard Terminators

I did not notice a cyclone on the new sprue so that is a big indicator another kit is coming, Assault, space wolf and Deathwing Terminators are completely different looking and equipped than standard terminators.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, seems short-sighted to me. We don't know how 10th really functions, so being happy that an army got "nerfed" in a rule set we haven't used seems premature. Unless it's Tau. Screw the Tau!

GW nerfs things between editions because they have this weird gold-fish memory when it comes to balance, but being happy about it strikes me as odd.

Hearthkyn with Ion-Blasters, whilst short ranged, look proper tasty when targetting something with two Judgement Tokens. Hit on a 3+, S5, -2, D1 with….+1 to wound.

That’s…wounding even Marines on 2+, with a decent, especially for what we’ve seen of 10th, armour modifier.

All gonna be in the points of course.

Though it is odd to my eyes to see Conversion weapons with just 24” range.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

Khahandran wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
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The Falcon and Hekaton Land Fortress both have the Fire Support rule.

Funny thing that no one has noticed, but the Falcon and Hekaton have different wording on Fire Support rule. Falcon says till the end of turn and so supports melee, Hekaton end of phase and so only supports shooting.

Admittedly a fair point, but unless either supports a charge after disembarking if the vehicle moves, shouldn't provide much actual difference.

It's possible that it's written differently to account for other special rules unique to that faction. Perhaps the Falcon isn't a standard assault transport, but there is a datasheet ability or stratagem somewhere that allows specific units like Howling Banshees to disembark & charge.

 Formosa wrote:
I did not notice a cyclone on the new sprue so that is a big indicator another kit is coming, Assault, space wolf and Deathwing Terminators are completely different looking and equipped than standard terminators.

With at least one new multi-part terminator kit looking inevitable, I wonder if it will be developed with chapter-specific add-on sprues in mind. If designed at the same time, it would be fairly simple to design the core models with replaceable parts like shoulder pads & greaves and then release compatible upgrade kits to build Deathwing or Wolf Guard without needing to re-do the full terminator kit. Other chapters like Blood Angels could have simpler upgrades like terminator should pads included in their general purpose upgrade sprue alongside parts for other armour.

Valrak found (via website-mining by hand, lol) parked websites for a 'Battle of Oghram': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAO0tLDiH-k

Tsagualsa wrote:
Valrak found (via website-mining by hand, lol) parked websites for a 'Battle of Oghram': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAO0tLDiH-k

Via google:

The Battle of Aughrim was the decisive battle of the Williamite War in Ireland. It was fought between the largely Irish Jacobite army loyal to James II and the forces of William III on 12 July 1691, near the village of Aughrim, County Galway.

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Valrak found (via website-mining by hand, lol) parked websites for a 'Battle of Oghram': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAO0tLDiH-k

Via google:

The Battle of Aughrim was the decisive battle of the Williamite War in Ireland. It was fought between the largely Irish Jacobite army loyal to James II and the forces of William III on 12 July 1691, near the village of Aughrim, County Galway.

It was a typo by me, due to Valraks pronunciation and the youtube captions The Warhammer version is 'Oghram'

 xttz wrote:
With at least one new multi-part terminator kit looking inevitable, I wonder if it will be developed with chapter-specific add-on sprues in mind. If designed at the same time, it would be fairly simple to design the core models with replaceable parts like shoulder pads & greaves and then release compatible upgrade kits to build Deathwing or Wolf Guard without needing to re-do the full terminator kit. Other chapters like Blood Angels could have simpler upgrades like terminator should pads included in their general purpose upgrade sprue alongside parts for other armour.

I wouldn't be surprised if GW does new bigger upgrade sprues for DA/BA/SW like BT got and uses that to also release terminator shoulder pads

This is the first time I've clicked on a Valrak video. That tin foil hat is sufficient for me to NEVER do that again.

They nerfed votan good from a 3+ army to a 4+ army, rail rifle from 30 to 18 inch.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
This is the first time I've clicked on a Valrak video. That tin foil hat is sufficient for me to NEVER do that again.

I'm still extracting everything of value from them (excluding livestreams, because i do not have unlimited amounts of time and patience ) so you don't have to, it's just that there has been little of that since Warhammerfest His baby-teeth and fatty lips fill my mind with dark visions...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
One of the biggest causes of USR bloat was them giving USR to rules only 2-3 units in the game had.

And one of the biggest way to stop escalating rules bloat is to plan your USRs out in advance so that things like this don't happen.

Moreover, failure to apply USRs isn't a failure of the USR system. It's a failure of the people using the USR system.

not every rule needs to be an USR in an USR system

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
This is the first time I've clicked on a Valrak video. That tin foil hat is sufficient for me to NEVER do that again.

Ditto!

 skeleton wrote:
They nerfed votan good from a 3+ army to a 4+ army, rail rifle from 30 to 18 inch.

Ah how many tournaments with 10 been played already?

Until we get to actually see complete rules and preferably at least couple events claiming something is nerfed or buffed just means you don't know what it means. Are they nerfed if they clock 80% win rate?

Weird to talk about nerfs when the game is being rewritten from the ground up and we've seen about 2% of the units

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
This is the first time I've clicked on a Valrak video. That tin foil hat is sufficient for me to NEVER do that again.

Ditto!

In the interest of fairness, the foil-hat thing is a joke he does on fridays ('Foilrak Friday'), where it is understood (at least by him and his followers) that he's more free-form speculating and talking about gossip than usual. He has some of these insider jokes for his channel members.

I have to admit, "Yahtzee" isn't the first thing that leaps to mind when I think of World Eaters.

So the person designing the WE book is a big fan of Warcry?

And Angron isn't Towering, or whatever that keyword was.

Also:

"Units forced to disembark when their ride goes boom are automatically Battle-shocked that turn."

Instead of taking insta-death casualties?

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
not every rule needs to be an USR in an USR system

Never said it had to be. But if you're repeating rules verbatim across different sheets, I'd think about maybe turning those ones into USRs.

World eaters faction focus
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/12/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-world-eaters/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=focusworldeaters120523&fbclid=IwAR0ipzO9tEpatIt000mqp-oOvH1YIzougxkuWQnPN2wU1KIQvRti66aYLI0

 Asmodai wrote:
I have to admit, "Yahtzee" isn't the first thing that leaps to mind when I think of World Eaters.

I thought 'Murder Yahtzee' as well immediately Shame that they did not go the extra mile and had an extreme event on the equally extreme(ly unlikely) octuple roll