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 The Phazer wrote:

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Charax wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
Is there a precedent for that?

Funnily enough the precedent is the Krieg:

They go on wide release via Forgeworld, anyone can get them, but not many people do because they're super expensive (to the point where people were cutting up the inserts made for the Gorgon transport to try and get more minis). They're a novelty regiment, not really that popular.

Then they get removed from sale, people are annoyed, but it's not a huge deal

Then after several years the Kill Team comes out and people absolutely lose their minds, people who barely paid any attention to the Death Korps before are swearing blind that they will buy a whole regiment's worth of kill teams to fuel their newly discovered loooove of them, no doubt fuelled by a thousand youtube channels spouting shovel memes

But... this isn't what happened with the Krieg. The Elysians were removed from sale by FW, but the Krieg were literally available until about a month after the plastic Kill Team unit shipped. There was a few months without Death Riders, but it was pretty obvious they were coming in plastic at that point so nobody stressed out about it.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Additionally, there were a number of kitbashes shown off in the 2nd Codex and related WDs — pretty sure WD 200 has a showdown diorama between a Dragon Knight and Chaplain on bike.

One of the classic Mike McVey dioramas - if viewed from above, I seem to recall it formed a yin-yang symbol.

40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

We got stumpy Space Marines called Votann. That's new.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

We got stumpy Space Marines called Votann. That's new.

Depends if you ascribe them to squats.

Dudeface wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

We got stumpy Space Marines called Votann. That's new.

Depends if you ascribe them to squats.

They feel different from the Necromunda Squats. But I concede the point.

Honestly, what other type of army could they create that would fill its own niche and not feel like a copy/paste of another army?

Unless you had a WHFB style Bretonnian Cavalry style force?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

We got stumpy Space Marines called Votann. That's new.

Depends if you ascribe them to squats.

They feel different from the Necromunda Squats. But I concede the point.

Honestly, what other type of army could they create that would fill its own niche and not feel like a copy/paste of another army?

Unless you had a WHFB style Bretonnian Cavalry style force?

Zoats.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

We got stumpy Space Marines called Votann. That's new.

Depends if you ascribe them to squats.

They feel different from the Necromunda Squats. But I concede the point.

Honestly, what other type of army could they create that would fill its own niche and not feel like a copy/paste of another army?

Unless you had a WHFB style Bretonnian Cavalry style force?

Honestly I want some real aliens. Nids go in the right direction, the tau auxiliary forces do as well, but given somethong properly alien. Not bipedal, not something holding guns, not something that apes known biology so much.

Even as a stats point to leverage, imagine some sentient slimes or plants that have loads of wounds each, fnp or regeneration but no saves to speak of. Or an army that uses t1 or t2 profiles but has insane mitigation to balance it out.

Dudeface wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

We got stumpy Space Marines called Votann. That's new.

Depends if you ascribe them to squats.

Not enough padded armor and egg exo armor.

Dudeface wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

We got stumpy Space Marines called Votann. That's new.

Depends if you ascribe them to squats.

They feel different from the Necromunda Squats. But I concede the point.

Honestly, what other type of army could they create that would fill its own niche and not feel like a copy/paste of another army?

Unless you had a WHFB style Bretonnian Cavalry style force?

Honestly I want some real aliens. Nids go in the right direction, the tau auxiliary forces do as well, but given somethong properly alien. Not bipedal, not something holding guns, not something that apes known biology so much.

Even as a stats point to leverage, imagine some sentient slimes or plants that have loads of wounds each, fnp or regeneration but no saves to speak of. Or an army that uses t1 or t2 profiles but has insane mitigation to balance it out.

I'd agree heck its one reason I went with Tyranids years ago when starting.

Honestly a super easy win for GW would be to do Tau Auxiliaries as a separate army. Use Kroot as the core and the draft in loads of xeno reaces as support units. Tau thus gets to remain focused on the mech-suits which are very popular; and they can flesh out the whole Auxiliaries army with new units and aliens that fit the niches needed for a full army. GW can even watch sales and consider splintering any popular force off as their own army.

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k has been tapping way top much into the nostalgia aspect in the last 15-20 years or so, and hasnt release one new race since the tau/kroot (unless mistaken). Instead of expdite, id much prefer if they released a new race

Difficulty there is Where Did They Come From?

Extra-galactic is the Tyranid thing. Very long nap from pre-pre-pre-pre history is the Necron thing. Deep Core is the Votann thing. Essentially a pocket dimension is the Dark Eldar thing.

To be of any note, you need to be pretty big. The Tau are pushing their luck there. Or at least they did to begin with.

So, I don’t disagree. New Xenos are welcome Xenos. But…where have they been the past 10,000+ years, that someone or something else isn’t already from?

See that's where I kind of wanted that whole "Imperium cut in two" storyline to go. Cut the Imperium in half and let Xenos have a chance from the fringe worlds.

Tau works because we know that they are on the rim and that's basically where the last races hide out as the Imperium dominates the middle. So you could have them as part of the Tau forces.



Also lets not forget the Warp you could easily have one race that foretold the end of their worlds at the might of the Imperium (or a sneaky Eldar told them) and thus fled into the Warp in a different way; using it to jump whole world-ships into the future and restart.

FROM THE EYE OF TERROR THEY CAME!!!

"Deathworlds" would be a great faction for 40K - a whole faction of Audrey 2s! Traveling the universe by sinister means of their dreaded spore comets!

Can't we do something with the Hrud or Enslavers?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Can't we do something with the Hrud or Enslavers?

Normally I would say no because they are too small and spread out to be an actual army...but we did get standalone books for Harlequins, Custodes and the like so all common sense goes out the window I guess.

I'd be more interested in Ghoul Stars content. You know, that uncharted region of space that is incredibly dangerous and not even Nids want to go there.

Sub-factions work because they’re precisely that. Specialised sections of existing cultures/militaries.

Hurd could work, as the background repeatedly mentions Migrations. With the galaxy in chaos (little c!) that could be a trigger for them to show up in larger numbers. Especially if their background explains it was only regular Imperial oppression that kept them more or less in check.

 Overread wrote:
If that were true where the heck are the Eldar Exodites that they've been teasing for 30odd years

They didnt (to my knowledge) remove exodites from the game, they've only ever been a lore bit, at least as far as I can remember for my 23 or so years in this hobby. Even if they did, that was well before the current business model was established and in place so the model of manufacturing demand from outrage over misplaced nostalgia won't exactly work there.

That being said, Im in the pro-Exodite camp.

Charax wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
Is there a precedent for that?

Funnily enough the precedent is the Krieg:

They go on wide release via Forgeworld, anyone can get them, but not many people do because they're super expensive (to the point where people were cutting up the inserts made for the Gorgon transport to try and get more minis). They're a novelty regiment, not really that popular.

Then they get removed from sale, people are annoyed, but it's not a huge deal

Then after several years the Kill Team comes out and people absolutely lose their minds, people who barely paid any attention to the Death Korps before are swearing blind that they will buy a whole regiment's worth of kill teams to fuel their newly discovered loooove of them, no doubt fuelled by a thousand youtube channels spouting shovel memes

so GW see this enthusiasm and release them as a full plastic regiment, only the third they've ever made.

- Make product available, moderate sales
- Remove product from sale for years
- Make a limited release to spark interest
- Full release to capitalise on renewed interest

Same thing with:

Sisters of Battle
Eldar Corsairs
Yarrick
World Eaters
Emperors Children
Imperial Guard Rough Riders (they were, in fact, legendsed out of the game for a while, something that I constantly remind people of but few seem to remember)
Really like half the named characters in the game feel like they were briefly discontinued or removed from sale at some point in the past 10 years or so pending their return in a resculpted variant.

If you want to be a real cynic - theres also the entirety of The Old World.

No leaks of these new Apocalypse rules?

Looking forward to seeing what they do with it. I quite liked the boxed version they released despite its short lifespan, it was actually an interesting game design with new ideas for 40k.

I get the feeling these new rules are going to be far less adventurous....

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sub-factions work because they’re precisely that. Specialised sections of existing cultures/militaries.

Hurd could work, as the background repeatedly mentions Migrations. With the galaxy in chaos (little c!) that could be a trigger for them to show up in larger numbers. Especially if their background explains it was only regular Imperial oppression that kept them more or less in check.

Were getting off topic but id like chaos xenos. But not enslaver. That would be a very boring army

There are several sectors bottled up by the imperium because whatever is in there is too hard to eradicate. As Overread says, the disruption could be used to allow one of these to break free. These beasties also tend to be at the Cthulhu end of the cosmic horror scale, so fun couldbehad there. Something with no guns whatsoever, but just causes their opponents to turn on themselves or implode with terror. Bring back decent psychology. Although that orally goes against the current game mechanics ethos of minimising interference with opponents stuff.

What about something like the RakGol? They are in the fluff, are an established race, have a decent tech level, and aren't exactly humanoid. Bonus points for being larger than a Custodes.

my long-time pitch as been Enslavers, floating brains with tentacles and armies of mind controlled zombies.

And army list with literally 2-3 entries Enslaver, zombie hoard, and maybe a big enslaver?

And of course the ability to create more zombies as they inflict casualties.



Make a kit of Imperial civilian zombies, and throw in some Tau/Ork/Eldar heads too for folks to make their own.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
my long-time pitch as been Enslavers, floating brains with tentacles and armies of mind controlled zombies.

And army list with literally 2-3 entries Enslaver, zombie hoard, and maybe a big enslaver?

And of course the ability to create more zombies as they inflict casualties.



Make a kit of Imperial civilian zombies, and throw in some Tau/Ork/Eldar heads too for folks to make their own.

Sculpting those concepts should be at most people's reach and then just fill the army with pox walkers.

 cuda1179 wrote:
What about something like the RakGol? They are in the fluff, are an established race, have a decent tech level, and aren't exactly humanoid. Bonus points for being larger than a Custodes.

Yeah, they are meant to be a huge threat. One of the reasons why the Ghoul Stars (I think they are from there? Pretty sure the Outsider is still locked away there too, if the Nids are avoiding it) is under quarantine.

What I would want is some sort of mercenaries book that would have all sort of units for things that are not big enough to be full factions, such as tarellians etc, and then you could ally those into other forces. (And perhaps if some of them were really popular, they could be expanded into a full faction later.) Basically like Imperial Agents. But given how they neglect those as well, making more in the same style is unlikely.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Yeah, they are meant to be a huge threat. One of the reasons why the Ghoul Stars (I think they are from there? Pretty sure the Outsider is still locked away there too, if the Nids are avoiding it) is under quarantine.

They're from the region of Halo Stars north of the Koronus Sector (edit: actually just from Koronus). Ghoul Stars lie north-east of the Ultima Segmentum.

Outsider's presumed location is on the other side of the galaxy.

I don't much care for the Rak'Gol. Tyranids with guns aren't that interesting visually. Hexalimbic bats with guns on the other hand...

I once pined for the space versions of Warhammer races that were cut from 40k or never made the cut, but they're all available from other publishers now so I'm good (space Skaven from Mantic, space Slann from Diehard, and even space Lizardmen from One Page Rules - soon to be available in PVC.)

That said, I'm always down for more xenos, the more xenoey the better.

One way to mitigate the "where they been all this time?" issue would be to set them during the Scouring era and say that they weren't wiped out yet, but if they're cool and different enough, I'm not really all that bothered by how they'd make them fit any timeline. I always thought the early Compliance era would be a gold mine for interesting xenos encounters, too. Go back in time early enough and pretty much anything goes.

Also agree that Enslavers and Hrud both have great designs, but right now they seem like things that might get a one-off figure in a Blackstone-style limited release boardgame or as a bit of flavor for a Necromunda squad (like the Zoat or Piscean.)

The Imperium controls about 0.001% of the galaxy; plenty of room for all sort of other empires.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Overread wrote:
If that were true where the heck are the Eldar Exodites that they've been teasing for 30odd years

They didnt (to my knowledge) remove exodites from the game, they've only ever been a lore bit, at least as far as I can remember for my 23 or so years in this hobby. Even if they did, that was well before the current business model was established and in place so the model of manufacturing demand from outrage over misplaced nostalgia won't exactly work there.

That being said, Im in the pro-Exodite camp.

Exodites had rules in the 2nd ed Eldar Codex as well as Epic.

Valrak once again talking about a full Exodite release coming, starting with an initial kill team release (like they did with Corsairs)