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May I interrupt for some more rumours?

time2die wrote:To be precise, expect to see a brilliant Succubus model, Beastmasters and their beasts in late March, leading into another, larger wave in April.

75hastings69 wrote:more blood angels in february btw

Yes you may, sir! Cannot wait... must have Venom....

Kroothawk wrote:May I interrupt for some more rumours?

time2die wrote:To be precise, expect to see a brilliant Succubus model, Beastmasters and their beasts in late March, leading into another, larger wave in April.

75hastings69 wrote:more blood angels in february btw

Interesting. The Beastmasters are pretty much just Hellions minus the hellglaive, not sure they need their own model, but what the hell. The beasts would be welcome, as no one has yet produced a really good proxy that I've seen (myself included, I just use Chaos Warhounds and Fantasy Batswarms). The succubus is a WTF selection, though. You can make 'em out of a wych kit... seems unnecessary. That being said, if it's a nice model (like Lelith) I'll get it even though I'll probably never use it (like Lelith).

On the topic of wracks versus scourges, in terms of popularity... The point that you need a haemonculus to use them is valid... if you mean troops only. They are still an elite choice (though there are a lot of better choices for your elite slots). I think they would sell decently, and probably in greater number than Scourges overall. Scourges still have to compete with Reavers, Beastmasters, and Hellions, all very good FA choices, while Wracks, especially as a troop option, really offer more potential numbers (as well as transport add-on that the FA choices do not). My opinion on wracks is that they could be served by a Mandrake- or Incubi-like boxset easily enough, with maybe one optional bit sprue for a liquifier gun and the handful of Acothyst options. You really don't need a complex kit to get the job done well. Scourges have more complexity and variants, which would seem to imply a more complex sprue... erego, plastics. Bear in mind, my opinion is heavily slanted towards the "I sure as **** do not want to build metal Scourges" aspect of my hobby endeavors.

Edit:

As a side note, I put a post about my wrack, haemonculi, and Venom conversions: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/336403.page#2273558

I really don't think there is much rhyme or reason as to what models GW decides to make plastic. Look at Hellions. They are plastic(and a fantastic kit too) but are a Fast Attack unit. You have to take a special character to make Troops. Wracks just have to have a basic Haemonculus (which can be taken 3 to an HQ slot) to be a Troops choice, but are rumoured to be metal. So I think it's more just the decision between the sculptor and other GW higher-ups, as to which models are plastic and which are metal.

but either way, based on the latest Dark Eldar models, i'm sure they will be great!

airmang wrote:I really don't think there is much rhyme or reason as to what models GW decides to make plastic.

Really? You think that no actual thought goes into what they make into plastic? No reason sits behind the massive expense that making plastic moulds incurs? Really?

Kroothawk wrote:Being an elite choice normally, is usually enough to make it a metal unit, see Eldar.
On the positive side: Metal models are usually more complex and awesome than plastic sculpts. Let's hope they get 5 different models, not just 3 like with Mandrakes.

yeah,
I think Mandrakes will get more models, in a similar way to the metal LOTD marines got a LOTD wave 2...

Panic...

airmang wrote:I really don't think there is much rhyme or reason as to what models GW decides to make plastic. Look at Hellions.

A unit that uses flier bases. That alone is sufficient reason to only make them in plastic.

While plastic wracks are definitely not going to part of the second wave, I haven't seen any confirmation, nor even a real rumour that they are coming in metal either. They might be left for a (distant) future wave, whether in plastic or metal. Unless I've missed something.

I certainly think it would be a shame to put one of the three main army themes out of contention for the vast majority of people. They should get a plastic box including a haemonculus with all of the options. The haemonculi have the most options out of anything in the codex right?

I could see the Haemonculus being a 2 figure pack, similar to the Empire wizard or General mini's. I dont see GW being that concerned for our wallets by producing a 3 pack. Nor, do I forsee plastic wracks, they will probably (if released) show up like the incubi or mandrakes.

It would be nice if the talos/cronos were a combined kit to make one or the other.

Father Gabe wrote:I could see the Haemonculus being a 2 figure pack, similar to the Empire wizard or General mini's. I dont see GW being that concerned for our wallets by producing a 3 pack. Nor, do I forsee plastic wracks, they will probably (if released) show up like the incubi or mandrakes.

It would be nice if the talos/cronos were a combined kit to make one or the other.

Would LOVE plastic Haemonculi.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Father Gabe wrote:I could see the Haemonculus being a 2 figure pack, similar to the Empire wizard or General mini's. I dont see GW being that concerned for our wallets by producing a 3 pack. Nor, do I forsee plastic wracks, they will probably (if released) show up like the incubi or mandrakes.

It would be nice if the talos/cronos were a combined kit to make one or the other.

Would LOVE plastic Haemonculi.

I'd like to see something similar to the SM Captin/Chapter Master set that maybe allows for 2 Haemy's and an ancient. I highly douby that would ever happen though, I imagine it will just be a a couple of normal individual metal sculpts.

I have seen images Of Cronos/ Talos In Plastic along with haemoncalus and wracks grotestques along with bomber/fighter kit

Adam wrote:I have seen images Of Cronos/ Talos In Plastic along with haemoncalus and wracks grotestques along with bomber/fighter kit

OMG!!! MUZT SEE DEM!!! CAN YOU TAKE PIX?!?!

Adam wrote:I have seen images Of Cronos/ Talos In Plastic along with haemoncalus and wracks grotestques along with bomber/fighter kit

This reminds me of something i saw online, once.
What was it, again...?

Oh, yeah.

"Pics or it didn't happen."

: )

Eric

Panic wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Being an elite choice normally, is usually enough to make it a metal unit, see Eldar.
On the positive side: Metal models are usually more complex and awesome than plastic sculpts. Let's hope they get 5 different models, not just 3 like with Mandrakes.

yeah,
I think Mandrakes will get more models, in a similar way to the metal LOTD marines got a LOTD wave 2...

Panic...

Unfortunately, model diversity is not the Mandrakes' largest problem. Being an Elite melee unit that gets eaten alive in melee by tactical marines is more problematic.

Wow, well im glad to see they are delivering on their promise to have 90% of the models in the codex available before 2012. Guess that isnt so good for the Grey Knights fanatics or the hopes of the necron players.

I'm glad they're releasing the jetcraft; those were some of my favorite entries in the codex. I've already made a list with a fistfull of them.

And the Chronos will be good to have, too. Surely any DE army will need one of those. The Venoms will also be good to have since HQ can't be mounted on reavers anymore.

Minor rumour by BramGaunt over at Warseer:

Last thing I heard is that we won't get an incoming article about the second wave of DE, because it's due the third week of march, though I'd take that with a pint of salt.

Did the Legion of the Damned get an incoming! article by the way?

Temujin wrote:While plastic wracks are definitely not going to part of the second wave, I haven't seen any confirmation, nor even a real rumour that they are coming in metal either. They might be left for a (distant) future wave, whether in plastic or metal. Unless I've missed something.

I certainly think it would be a shame to put one of the three main army themes out of contention for the vast majority of people. They should get a plastic box including a haemonculus with all of the options. The haemonculi have the most options out of anything in the codex right?

I seem to remember something bout jes wanting to make grot riders so it stands to reason that plastic is the way to go for that. Perhaps in a box kit doing a 1 in 10 can be a rider or something like that. I would love to see the grots in plastic and some haemoncli in the kit perhaps. Also this isnt connected to your thread the scourges seem best in plastic too. and as converts to true born not so much. the fluff has them as very avian in looks to include quills and feathers added to their bodies.


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Having seen what gw can do with plastics for wfb i hope that grots and wracks get a multipart plastic kit each to themselves. The skaven hellpit critter is awesome and i think with all the 5 man squads of big guys that they have made for the fantasy side could bode well for plastic grots. the wracks seem logical also since with urien you can field up to 60 of the buggers and the still fill your leets with them. i get that the unit has little wargear for it but same with the pink and blue demons and those look really good.

Kroothawk wrote:Minor rumour by BramGaunt over at Warseer:

Last thing I heard is that we won't get an incoming article about the second wave of DE, because it's due the third week of march, though I'd take that with a pint of salt.

I want so badly for this to be true....

BrookM wrote:Did the Legion of the Damned get an incoming! article by the way?

I think so, could be wrong .

Also deldar.

Not that ive gotten if they did.

BrookM wrote:Did the Legion of the Damned get an incoming! article by the way?

I think I remember seeing the pictures in my inbox, but I am not 100% sure.

zombies make some great conversions for the wracks. All you need is some green stuff and some bits from the warriors box and you'll have a good sized unit in no time.


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TBD wrote:

BrookM wrote:Did the Legion of the Damned get an incoming! article by the way?

I think I remember seeing the pictures in my inbox, but I am not 100% sure.

I believe they got one on 01/05/2010 (MM/DD/YYYY)

For everyone that wants Haemonculi-themed troops now and isn't totally GW-loyal, I'd recommend picking up some Confrontation alchemists of Dirz minis. The basic troopers would make fine Wracks, and the bigger beasties good Grotesques. There were plastics in the line, even prepaints if that floats your boat.

Personally, I hate the idea of Wave I/Wave II. Maybe a marketing major can explain to me why they do this.

It makes no sense when valuable units (such as the heavy support section for DE) has entire models missing and lets 3rd party manufacturers jump in. For example, many 3rd party manufacturers have made a good buck off TWC. I don't get it.

Two more minor rumours by BramGaunt:

I can see them just releasing the miniatures without making a big noise about them - similar to LotR releases. Everyone who plays DE will buy them, regardless of what time they are released. If what I heard is correct, the DE release was that big of a success that they don't 'bother' to put to much promo on them, because they think it will sell anyway, and if the miniatures keep up with what we already have, they are probably right. They kind of promote themselves, don't they? =)

Yeah, they sold well -> make no promotion at all to counter that!

Black Boxes should be out much sooner in the future, same goes for preorder. It fits with GW to give us a wider frame for announcements (we had GK announcement in early january). Therefor, Black Boxes for OnG should be out the first week of febuary. About 10 more day of waiting for solid infos =)

GK Black Box is supposed to be in stores the last week of feb, btw, though this may change. I'd say first week of march is more realistic.

Of course they won't show the Grey Knights befor OnG release is done. Last I heard was that the complete OnG release will be made the first saturday of march, with the second wave Dark Eldar in the third week.

And time2die claims:

March is just the Succubi model and Beastmaster and beast models. All metal.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Personally, I hate the idea of Wave I/Wave II. Maybe a marketing major can explain to me why they do this.

It makes no sense when valuable units (such as the heavy support section for DE) has entire models missing and lets 3rd party manufacturers jump in. For example, many 3rd party manufacturers have made a good buck off TWC. I don't get it.

It has less to do with marketing and more about creating larger periods of stable sales and revenue stream for a particular product line, while simultaneously dealing with the companies relatively limited ability to produce the volume of different kits needed to support the longevity of the product line for 5+ year periods at a time.

Kroothawk wrote:
Yeah, they sold well -> make no promotion at all to counter that!

Which is idiotic, Space Marines sell well and they don't fail to advertise them.

They just fail IN advertising.