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Made in us
Preacher of the Emperor






Canonesses are awesome. Their rules should be too. What follows draws from multiple past threads to reinvent the Codex:Adepta Sororitas HQ section with uber-Canonesses, Palatines, Repentia characters, Confessors, and more.

[The final (?) versions of these units & wargear -- and a couple dozen more homebrew ideas-- are now in my fandex/expandex.]

[EDITED to make modest refinements]

In brief:

New Wargear includes:
Book of Acts: Buy back your Codex:Witch Hunters menu of multiple Acts
Lots of Deny The Witch boosters: Purity Seals, a reimagined Praesidium Protectiva, and a 2+ armour for the Canoness

New Canoness options:
Upgrade w/ Jump pack, Bike, 2+ armour, and War Hymns
"Records of Service": Customize your Canoness with special rules reflecting past service as a Dominion, Seraphim, etc.
Order Relics: one for each of the Major Orders Miltant

Palatine is back!
A 2-Wound, 2-Attack mini-Canoness with fewer upgrade options -- but she can carry a Banner.

Sister Chorister:
Celestian statline + War Hymns + Zealot = Who Needs Priests?

Repentia Champion:
Canoness statline, Repentia special rules. And more.

Repentia Veteran:
Repentia character as upgrade for squads.

Sororitas Command Squad:
Can get Bikes, Jump Packs, or Furious Charge.

Ministorum Confessor & Missionary:
The Confessor's back and he's brought his little brother (W:2 A:2). The Confessor can take army-boosting Litanies.

Chariot of Fire:
Because why should Chaos have all the fun? Flaming Lord Humungous-esque mega-bike for Confessors & Missionaries.


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Add to Ranged Weapons List:
- Hand Flamer: 5 pts


NEW WARGEAR
Spoiler:

Special Issue Wargear

Blessed Armour: 35 points
Only a Canoness of the Adepta Sororitas may wear such a suit of sacramental power armour, handed down from the earliest days of the Sisterhood and elaborately consecrated by the Ministorum. Blessed armor not only provides superior protection against physical threats but inspires the faithful to resist the trickeries of the Warp.
A character in Blessed Armour has a 2+ save and generates 1 Warp Die in the opposing side's psychic phase, usable for Deny The Witch rolls only.

Praesidium Protectiva: 25 points
Commanders of the Adepta Sororitas often carry these elegant, arcane shields made ages ago of mysterious materials, said by the faithful to include a shard of the God-Emperor's own battle armour. Proof against bullets, blasts, and blows, its very presence steels the Sisters' willpower against witchcraft.
A character with a Praesidium Protectiva gains a 3++ invulnerable save. A character with Praesidium Protectiva may never gain the +1 Attack bonus for having two close combat weapons.
In addition, the character and her unit gain a +1 bonus to all Deny The Witch rolls.

Purity Seals: 15 points
Purity Seals are a wargear option for any character from the Forces of the Imperium factions, excepting Repentia Champions and Veterans.
Against the whispers of the warp and the maledictions of the witch, a purity seal can be more effective than any physical armour. When soldiers see their leaders adorned with such testimonies to their spiritual purity, it strengthens the resolution of the entire army.
Each model with a Purity Seal adds one die to its side's Warp Charge pool during the opposing side's Psychic Phase only. This die may only be used to Deny The Witch.

Sororitas Bike: 30 points
With lighter weapons and much lighter riders than their Marine counterparts, Sororitas bikes can maneuver nimbly through rough terrain, scouting far ahead of the main force to stage lightning strikes against vulnerable targets.
A model mounted on a Sororitas Bike gains the Bike unit type. In addition:
- A unit all of whose models are mounted on Sororitas Bikes gains Hit & Run, Scout, and +1 to Jink saves.
- A Sororitas bike is armed with a storm bolter (not twin-linked boltguns as on an Astartes bike).

War Hymnal: 20 points
A Canoness and her Palatines inspire intense devotion in her Battle Sisters, leading them from the fore whilst reciting the great hymns of the Ecclesiarchy.
A character with a War Hymnal gains the Hymns of War special rule.

Book of Acts: 15 points
Reciting the miraculous acts of Imperial saints, the leaders of the Sororitas can inspire their Sisters to perform feats beyond their regular training.
When the character with the Book of Acts or the squad she has joined attempts an Act of Faith, she or they may attempt one of the Acts below instead of their regular Act from Codex:Adepta Sororitas. The Book does not grant an additional use of Acts of Faith.
Divine Wind: Borne as on eagles' wings, the Sisters rush forward firing with uncanny speed, accuracy, and grace. This Act may be used in the Shooting Phase. If successful, the unit may both Run and shoot in this phase, in either order (i.e. shoot, then run; or run, then shoot). A unit cannot use this Act and fire any Heavy weapons in the same phase unless it is also Relentless.
Prophetic Warning:As if forewarned, the Sisters calmly turn their weapons on charging foes and cut them down. This Act may be used whenever an enemy declares a charge against the unit with the book, immediately before resolving Overwatch.* If successful, the unit may fire overwatch at its normal Ballistic Skill. A unit that cannot fire Overwatch cannot attempt this Act.
The Whole Armour of Faith: The Sisters steel themselves both spiritually and physically against the unbelievers' blows. This Act may be used whenever an enemy attacks the unit with the Book, immediately before the enemy rolls to hit.* If successful, all models in the unit gain an invulnerable save equal to their normal armour save for the remainder of the phase.
The Quick and the Dead: The Sisters slice through their enemies with miraculous speed. This Act may be used in your Assault Phase, immediately before a unit charges.* If successful, every model in the unit adds +2 to its Initiative.
* These Acts are exceptions to the normal rule that units can only attempt Acts before they move, shoot, run, or strike blows.


Design notes:
Spoiler:

Blessed armor: Marine artificer armour but (a) less widely available and (b) half a psyker mastery level, in effect (see "Purity Seals" below). 20 pts + (30)/2 = 35.

Praesidium Protectiva:
The old favorite, back with an extra twist that it's a psychic defense.
The save's half as good as a Storm Shield, since you can only use it half the time, but then It's basically a Storm Shield that also gives you extra Adamantium Will, so it's 15 pts + 10 = 25 20 pts / 2 = 10, +10 = 20 again.

Purity Seals:
Turning a vanilla Inquisitor into a Mastery Level 1 psyker costs 30 points, which gives you one Warp Die for offensive in your own psychic phase and one Warp Die for defense in the enemy's psychic phase. This wargear just gives you the equivalent of one Warp Die for defense only, so I figure its half as valuable.

Sororitas Bike:
Why these SRs? I wanted Biker Sisters to be distinctive, sleeker and more elegant -- but less sturdy -- than their male counterparts. But on reflection giving them all Skilled Rider seemed overkill and trespassing on Dark Angels and White Scars territory: Why should all Sisters bikers be that good, even with a more agile bike?
Costing: Upgrading a Marine leader to ride a bike costs 20 points.
Then the Sororitas Bike gets, essentially, limited versions of
- Scout -- which normally conveys from one model to an entire unit;
- Hit & Run -- ditto;
- and of Skilled Rider -- which is both a +1 to Jink and difficult terrain bonuses.
So, for independent characters, who lose the ability to convey Hit & Run and Scout to a unit they join, all three SRs are at half the normal value (10 pts, per Ovion): that's 3*(10/2) = 15 points.
For squads, downgrading Skilled Rider to just a Jink bonus reduces that SR's cost to five points -- but the value of H&R and Scout are unchanged, 10 points each: that's 5+2*10 = 25 pts.
A Storm Bolter has identical performance to a boltgun with Relentless. So the difference is losing twin-linked, which I guesstimated at -5. (Ovion's guidelines for TL pricing are tricky).
Net:
IC: 20 points for Bike + 15 points for adding SRs - 5 points for losing TL = 30 points.

War Hymnal:
The intent here is to reflect the fluff - which explicitly says Canonesses lead their Sisters into battle singing war hymns -- and to reduce the army's dependence on Priests.
Why 20 points? Yes, I know, the Priest only costs 25 points and gets both Hymns of War and a rosarius, but that seems undercosted. Besides, the Canoness and Palatine are significantly more survivable, with multiple Wounds and better stats all round, so they're more likely to live long enough to use the Hymns multiple times.

The Book of Acts:
The intent here is to recapture the flexibility of the old list of Acts, where any Sisters unit had multiple options for its AOF, without getting rid of the great flavor that unit-unique Acts add to the army. In short, the best of both worlds.
Costing is rough, but I figured getting to pick one of four Acts instead of being stuck with one is at least as useful as a Simulacrum Imperialis granting you an extra Act and probably more so.
Divine Wind is the same as Eldar Battle Focus.
Prophetic Warning is similar to the psychic power Foreboding.
Whole Armour of Faith is the Codex:Witch Hunters version of Spirit of the Martyr.
The Quick and the Dead is similar to the C:WH version of the Passion.



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CANONESS: New Options

A Canoness may take any of the following:
- A second bolt pistol: 2 points
- Jump pack: 15 points
- Blessed Armour: 35 points
- Book of Acts: 15 points
- Blessed Armour: 35 points
- Praesidium Protectiva: 25 points
- Purity Seals: 15 points
- Sororitas Bike: 30 points
- War Hymnal: 20 points

(See "New Wargear" section above for rules)

Records of Service
Sisters of Battle live -- and die -- to serve. Each begins as a humble Battle Sister and ascends by proving her merit, martial and spiritual, against the enemies of the Emperor. A few saintly geniuses soar through the ranks at an early age, but most Canonesses have spent decades in one of their Order's specialist forces, and the experience has marked them to the bone.
A Canoness may take one and only one of the following for 20 points:
Spoiler:

Canoness Veterana
This Canoness has served long, grinding years in the ranks of the regular Battle Sisters. She has not forgotten the lethal zeal of the Order's humblest soldiers, nor their bitter hatred for many foes who kill them, and she can inspire both in her subordinates.
A Canoness Veterana has the Preferred Enemy (everything) and Hatred special rules.

Canoness Celestial
The elite Celestians provide many of the Sisterhoods' leaders, and this Canoness has had a particular long and distinguished career in their revered ranks. The battle-fury of charging Celestians is about her always, intoxicating and infectious.
A Canoness Celestial and her squad have the Furious Charge special rule.

Canoness Dominant
Aggressive even for Sisters of Battle, Dominions tend to die young or be very, very, very good. This Canoness is one of the later. She brings the agility and aggression of the Sororitas scout corps to her entire Order.
A Canoness Dominant may replace her boltgun with an item from the Special Weapons list. She has the Scout and Ignore Cover special rules.

Canoness Enthroned
The Sisters of Battle honor the infantrywoman above all others, and their leaders generally lead on foot. Some Orders Minor, however, place such a high value on bike-mounted cavalry that they even draw their leaders from among the most experienced and skillful riders.
A Canoness Enthroned must buy a Sororitas Bike. She has the Skilled Rider and Acute Senses special rules.

Canoness Redemptia
How the mighty have fallen -- and risen again to glory by the grace of the God-Emperor. This Canoness has served in the Repentia with such distinction as to cleanse herself of her crime and not only return to regular duties, but rise to the highest rank of her Order.
A Canoness Redemptia has the Feel No Pain (5+) and Rage special rules.

Canoness Retributant
Retributors are famous for their lethal level-headedness under fire. This capacity for calculation well befits a commander. This Canoness has extensive service as a Retributor and can direct her sisters' fire with lethal accuracy even on the move.
A Canoness Retributant may replace her boltgun with an item from the Heavy Weapons list, paying the normal points cost. She and her unit gain the Relentless special rule.

Canoness Seraphic
The Seraphim are living, flying icons of the Sisterhood and provide many of its leaders. This Canoness has served as a Seraphim long enough that, even when not wearing a jump pack, she retains their distinctive style of fighting -- and, some say, their angelic visage.
A Canoness Seraphic must take two pistols of the same type (2 bolt pistols, 2 hand flamers, 2 inferno pistols, 2 plasma pistols), paying the usual points cost. All her Shooting attacks have the Shred special rule. All friendly units within 12" of her may reroll failed Acts of Faith.

Canoness Vigilant
Notoriously cold and aloof, the Sororitas infiltrators known as Vigils rarely rise to positions of leadership. Those that do, however, are truly terrifying commanders, leading not by inspirational hymns but by sheer icy competence.
A Canoness Vigilant has the Infiltrate and Precision Shots special rules. She may take replace her boltgun with an item from the Special Weapons list, paying the normal points cost.


Design notes:
Spoiler:

The "Records of Service" let you customize your Canoness to reflect her prior service -- and in most cases to buff her squad as well as herself. I prefer this own "build your own special character" approach to pregenerated SCs. Most of the special rules being added are straight of Ovion's cookbook. Except the Canoness Seraphic, who's basically a living Laud Hailer (and gets a free extra pistol, because, c'mon).


Order Relics
The most powerful relics of the Adepta Sororitas are the particular treasures of the six Major Orders. Each has its one artifact of its founder, wrapped in myth and mystery, which trembling hands only take to war in times of direst need.
One Canoness per army may take one of the following:
Spoiler:

Grail of Ages : 60 points
The Grail of Ages is the relic that gives the Order of the Ebon Chalice its name. Blackened, battered, and beyond all price, the Grail is the tangible symbol of the terrible knowledge Saint Dominica received before the Golden Throne and the centerpiece of the Order's most secret rites. When a Canoness of the Ebon Chalice brings the Grail on campaign, she and her Celestians drink from it in a grim communion before they enter battle. Having thus imbibed the wisdom of their founder and fighting with the Grail in their sight, they strike with preternatural fury.

The Canoness, all Celestians in one Sororitas Command Squad, and all Celestians in Celestian squads in the Canoness's detachment gain +1 Strength. All friendly models within 12" of the Canoness may reroll failed Leadership tests when attempting an Act of Faith.

The Skull of Vandire: 60 points
Of all the Sisterhood's founding saints, it was Lucia who felt most bitterly the guilt of having served the monster Goge Vandire and the need to expiate that guilt with blood. Legend and art portray her contemplating the tyrant's severed head. To this day Vandire's meticulously preserved skull is the central relic of her cult, less a holy of holies than a grim reminder that all have sinned. Unsurprisingly, Lucia's own Order of the Valorous Heart and its daughter Orders are remarkable in the number of Sisters who self-exile themselves as Repentia. When the Canoness of such an Order -- often one of the rare redeemed Repentia herself -- carries the Skull into battle, it drives both her and her Sisters to desperate deeds of self-sacrifice.
The Canoness carrying the Skull of Vandire gains the Fearless special rule. She, her squad, and all Repentia Squads within 12" gain Feel No Pain (5+).

The Shroud of Silvana: 60 points
Martyred in her youth, Saint Silvana has become the paragon of selfless purity for the Adepta Sororitas, above all for the Seraphim for her Order of the Argent Shroud is famous. The great icon of the Order is Silvana's own death shroud, which bears the miraculous imprint of her skull in such brilliant silver that Sisters say it lights the way for the faithful and burns the eyes of the unclean. Though tattered by millennia of use as both relic and battle standard, the Shroud is still brought out for battle on dire occasions. Worn by the Canoness as a tabard over her armour, it inspires her Sisters, especially the Seraphim, and dismays their enemies.
All the wearer's melee attacks have the Blind special rule. All friendly models within 12" may reroll failed Morale, Fear, and Pinning tests. All Seraphim within 12" add +1 to all Leadership rolls.

The Broken Halo: 75 points
The fiercest of the Sisterhood's founders, Katharine ripped the iron halo from a Space Marine champion she slew in the battle for the Ecclesiarchal palace and slew several of his comrades with its spikes. Even after the Sisters made peace, Katharine refused to return her bloody trophy. To this day, her Order of Our Martyred Lady and its offshoots are infamous even among Sisters for the hateful determination of even their rank and file. While the halo's force field has never functioned since Katharine tore it loose as her trophy, its spikes inflict gaping wounds, and its mere presence on the battlefield makes the Battle Sisters more unyielding than ever.
The Broken Halo of Saint Katharine counts as a power axe. Its wielder, her squad, and all Battle Sister squads within 12" gain the Hatred special rule.

Hatred's Fire: 60 points
None of the other founding saints equaled Mina in sheer headlong aggression, and Dominions in particular take her as their inspiration. The vicious saint was ever in the vanguard, her sanctified melta -- named Hatred's Fire -- always ablaze to light her Sisters' way and to root the enemy out of their darkest hiding places. A powerful but erratic piece of archeotech that was ancient when Mina was born, Hatred's Fire can char its wielder as horrifically as the enemy. Nonetheless, the saint's successors in her Order of the Bloody Rose still take her weapon in their hands and put their lives in the hands of the Emperor to lead their Sisters in savage, swift assaults.
The Pillar of the Fire is a meltagun with the Ignores Cover and Gets Hot! Special rules. Its wielder, her squad, and all Dominion squads within 12" of her may both run and shoot in the Shooting Phase, in either order (i.e. run, then shoot; or shoot, then run).

The Light Undying: 60 points
Ardent in prayer but calm in crisis, Arabella was the most level-headed of the Sisterhood's founding saints. Retributors in particular still pray for her spirit to steady their nerves and their aim. Arabella wielded a wide variety of shooting weapons in her many battles, but she always affixed to them an arcane targeting scope of unknown origin, whose pure and piercing beam -- the Light Undying -- guided her Sisters' aim and steadied their hearts. This relic remains in the possession of her Order of the Sacred Rose, and whether by its ancient technology or some lingering blessing of the God-Emperor, when the targeter's beam pierces the fog of war, the sight of it grants Arabella's heirs some of her famous steadiness in battle.
The Canoness bearing the Light Undying may replace her boltgun with an item from the Heavy weapons list. She gains the Night Vision and Twin-Linked special rules on all shooting attacks. So do her squad and all Retributors within 12" if and only if they fire at the same target as the Canoness.


Design notes:
Spoiler:

Dominica's Grail of Ages:
+1 Strength (better than Furious Charge because it's always on) for the Canoness and four other units: 5 * 10 = 50. Also acts as, in effect, a Laud Hailer: +10.

Lucia's Skull of Vandire:
The biggest complaint about Repentia in the current codex is that their permanent 5+ FNP has turned into a one-time 3+ FNP; this relic fixes that and makes the Canoness and the squad she joins, whatever its type, as Fearless as Repentia.
Costing: Fearless and FNP for the Canoness: 10+10. FNP(5+) for her squad and for a maximum of three Repentia squads in a normal CAD: 4x10 = 40. Total: 60.

Shroud of Silvana:
This gives Seraphim back something of the old Angelic Visage rule (though that boosted morale for everyone around Seraphim, not the Seraphim themselves). Fluff says the Argent Shroud is famous for Seraphim and Celestians, but I don't want to give any Order a bonus to two troop types, and, as the uber-Sisters, Celestians seemed the best fit for the uber-Order, Dominica's own Ebon Chalice.
Costing: Blind in melee: 15 points? Reroll Ld tests within 12": basically a Blessed Standard, 15 points. +1 to Leadership of 3 Seraphim Squads in a normal CAD: 3x10 = 30. Total: 60 points.

Katharine's Broken Halo:
I love this bit of backstory I made up for Katharine.... She's such a raging bitch, and all of us deserve her wrath. The fluff for her Order speaks of their determination but, unlike any of the other Big Six, doesn't suggest a buff for any particular unit type - so Furyou Miko suggested the rank-and-file Battle Sisters.
Costing: Power axe: 15 points. Hatred for Canoness, her squad, and (on average) 4 BSS: 6x10 = 60 points.

Mina's Burning Brand:
Mina's character and her Order's connection to Dominions are established in fluff. I wanted something that make the Canoness and Dominions even faster to plunge into combat than regular Dominions, so Scout for her and Eldar Battle Focus seemed a good model. A super melta that can burn the user to death also seemed appropriate for her brooding hatred.
Costing: Meltagun: 10 points. Ignores Cover & Gets Hot cancel out: 0 points. What's effectively Eldar Battle Focus for her, her squad, and three Dominion squads in a normal CAD: 5x10 = 50 points. Total: 60.

Arabella's Light Undying:
Twin-Linked pricing is all over the place, generally 5-10 points or +50% of the weapons' base cost according to Ovion. Let's call it 10 points for the Canoness's single weapon; then the Canoness's squad and the three Retributor squads in a typical CAD get a limited form on multiple weapons, so let's say those four units get it for 10 points apiece as well: 40 points.
Night Vision on the Canoness and four squads: 5x5 = 25, but again it's in limited circumstances, so discount it down to 20 points.



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Palatine: 30 points (HQ)
WS:5 BS:5 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:4 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:3+/6++
Spoiler:

Unit Composition: 1 Palatine
Unit Type: Infantry (character)

Wargear: Power armour, bolt pistol, chainsword, drag grenades, krak grenades

Special Rules: Acts of Faith, Shield of Faith, Independent Character

Aide-de-Camp:
When not assigned an independent command, Palatines serve by the side of their Canoness or other Ecclesiarchal leaders.
In addition to Palatines taken as regular HQ choices (if any), you may take one Palatine for each Canoness, Confessor, or special character in a Detachment. These Palatines do not use up any Force Organization slots.

Act of Faith: Yield Not
The Palatine inspires her comrades to stand their ground, soaked with their Sisters' blood though it may be.
One use only. This Act of Faith may be attempted in either player's Assault phase. If successful, the Palatine and all models in her unit gain the Stubborn special rule until the end of the current phase.


Options:
- may replace bolt pistol with boltgun: free

May take any of the following:
- A second bolt pistol: 2 points
- Melta bombs: 5 points
- Jump pack: 15 points
- Book of Acts: 15 points
- Praesidium Protectiva: 25 points
- Purity Seals: 15 points
- Sororitas Bike: 30 points
- War Hymnal: 20 points

May take one of the following:
- Blessed Standard: 15 points
- Sacred Banner of the Order Militant (one per army): 40 points

A Palatine may take items from the Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, and Ecclesiarchy Relics lists.

The Canoness of a larger Order may select especially experienced Sister Superiors -- or fervent young prodigies -- as her Palatines. These lieutenants assist the Canoness, command small detachments in her absence, and often carry her standard into battle.


Design notes:
Spoiler:

A Palatine starts from the Canoness statline and builds down from there:
-1 Wound: -10 pts
-1 Attack: -10 pts
No Stubborn: -10 pts
No Martyrdom: -5 pts?
Change AOF from Hatred to Stubborn: +/-0
SUBTOTAL: -35 pts
65 - 35 = 30



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Sister Chorister: 45 points (HQ)
WS:4 BS:4 S:3 T:3 W:1 I:3 A:2 Ld:9 Sv:3+/6++
Spoiler:

Unit Type: Infantry (character)
Unit Composition: 1 Sister Chorister

Wargear: Power Armour, bolt pistol, chainsword, frag and krak grenades

Special Rules: Independent Character, Shield of Faith, War Hymns, Zealot

Preacher Woman:
In addition to any Choristers taken as regular HQ choices, you may upgrade any Priest to a Chorister for 20 points. You may not take a Battle Conclave for a Chorister.

Options:
- May take melta bombs: 5 points
- May take purity seals: 15 points
- May take a jump pack: 15 points
- May take a laud hailer: 10 points
A Sister Chorister may take items from the Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, and Ecclesiarchy Relics lists.


All Sisters of Battle are trained to sing hymns to the God-Emperor. Only those with the purest voices, hearts, and hatred, however, are selected for the intense choral training and indoctrination that earns them the title of "Sister Chorister." While less tactically sophisticated than those selected for the rank of Sister Superior, the Choristers complement the Superiors' military experience with their religious zeal. Their pure, sweet voices carry high above the roar of battle, inspiring their Sisters to kill and die in the Emperor's name.

Design Notes:
Spoiler:

The Chorister uses the Celestian statline. So compared to the Priest, the Chorister gets +1 WS (10 pts), +1 BS (10 pts), and, most crucially, +2 Ld (10 pts), which means her War Hymns are much more likely to work. That's worth 30 points.
She also has Power Armour for a 3+ save, which is 1 better than the Priest's 4++ (his flak armour is really irrelevant). That's +5 points more.
On the other hand, she doesn't have a Rosarius, just Power Armour and Shield of Faith, so her invulnerable save is 1 worse. Adding a Rosarius to PA & SoF costs a Canoness 15 points.
So the Chorister nets out at +20 points more than the Priest, i.e. 45 points: Still affordable for key units, but not an obvious and easy choice to spam.
In this revision, I also decided to make her available as an HQ choice, since that simplifies the rules a little bit, she's a colorful option for an HQ in a small force, and (unlike the priest) she's not crazily inexpensive, especially now I've upped her cost by five points from my original version.




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Repentia Champion: 95 points (HQ)
WS:5 BS:4 S:3 T:3 W:3 I:3 A:3 Ld:9 Sv:-/6++
Spoiler:

Unit Type: Infantry (character)
Unit Composition: 1 Repentia Champion

Wargear: Eviscerator

Special Rules:
Act of Faith, Fearless, Fleet, Rage, Shield of Faith
Feel No Pain (4+)
Shred
Independent Character
Martyrdom

Outcast:
Driven forth by her sisters' condemnation and her own shame, the Repentia Champion may not fight alongside pure Sororitas, let alone lead them into battle.
A Repentia Champion may never join a unit that has the Acts of Faith special rule, except for a Repentia Squad. She may however join Frateris units, Battle Conclaves, allied Battle Brothers, etc. normally.

Act of Faith: Death, Be Not Proud
The mortally wounded Champion gathers her strength for one last strike. With a prayer on her lips and blood on her blade, she will die for her Emperor, but not alone.
One use only. You may attempt this Act of Faith during either player's Assault Phase when the Repentia Champion has lost her last Wound. If successful, do not remove the Champion from play until she has made all her normal attacks.
The Champion may attempt this Act even if she has joined a unit whose models lack the Acts of Faith or War Hymns special rules.
Note this Act of Faith is an exception to the normal rules on when Acts may be attempted.


No, Cardinal, I am not a "proper Sister," not at all. But I am the only one you've got -- and I am taking command.
-- Sister Repentia Olga Kislev (later Canoness of the Order of the Burning Dove) before the Battle of Drevalyan Cathedral


Magnificent even in disgrace, these fallen heroes of the Adepta Sororitas walk a lonely, bloody road. They range from condemned Canonesses too useful to imprison in a Penitent Engine, to ordinary Battle Sisters who prove far more effective as Repentia than they ever were as Sororitas in good standing. While untainted Sisters will not tolerate their proximity, these Repentia Champions often lead lesser mortals into battle, from fellow Repentia to Frateris Militia to allied Imperial Guard.


Design notes:
Spoiler:

Based on Canoness (65 points)

-1 Ballistic Skill: -10
-1 Initiative: -10
-1 Leadership: -5
3+ armor save becomes no save at all (per PM with Ovion): -20
No krak grenades or bolt pistol: -3 points, going by Codex:Astra Militarum
No frag grenades: -1 point?
Outcast rule plus no access to Ranged Weapons, Melee Weapons, or Relics: -1 point?
Total reductions: -50

Replace Stubborn with Fearless: +/-0 points

Fleet: +10 points
Rage: +10 points
Shred: +10 points
Permanent FNP (4+) on a T:3 model (per Ovion): +20 points
Eviscerator: +30
Total additions: +80

Net total: 65 points base -50 pts + 80 pts = 95 points




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Repentia Veteran: 35 points (Elite)
WS:4 BS:4 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:3 Ld:9 Sv:-/6++
Spoiler:

Unit Type: Infantry (character)
Unit Composition: 1 Repentia Veteran

Wargear: Eviscerator

Special Rules:
Act of Faith, Fearless, Fleet, Rage, Shield of Faith
Feel No Pain (5+)
Shred

Lived Long Enough To Lead:
A few exceptional Sisters Repentia hew their way towards redemption by winning, rather than by dying. These veteran Repentia may become the de facto leader of their fallen fellows if the Mistress of Penitents is slain, be recruited by a priests as his bodyguard, or even, as the last survivors of their squad, find themselves at the head of a ragged band of Frateris militia.
Each Battle Conclave, Repentia Squad, and Frateris Militia Mob in your army may be joined by one Repentia Veteran for 45 points. Alternatively, a Repentia Squad may replace its Mistress of Penitents with a Repentia Veteran for 6 points.
Note that a Repentia Veteran is not an independent character and may never leave her unit or join another.
Note also that a Repentia Veteran may only use her Act of Faith if part of a Repentia Squad, as Battle Conclaves and Frateris Militia have neither Acts of Faith nor War Hymns.

Act of Faith: Live for Redemption
Hope flashes through the Repentia: If the veteran can survive this, perhaps they can too?
One use only. This Act of Faith can be used in the enemy Shooting phase, immediately after the opposing player has selected the Repentia Squad as a target but before rolling any die (note this is an exception to the normal rules about when Acts may be attempted). If successful, all models in the Sisters Repentia unit, including the Repentia Veteran, gain the Feel No Pain (3+) special rule until the end of the current phase.


Damn you all for cowards! My sins may be too great for the Sisterhood, but at least I know my duty to the Imperium. If you love your soul more than your life, take up your sword and follow me!
-- Sister Repentia Maria Annikova (redemptio postumus) to the Frateris Militia before the last charge at Yeshua's Gate

Sisters Repentia seek absolution in death -- but sometimes they survive. A handful even endure battle after battle. Some of their Sisters see these veteran Repentia as failures, incapable even of dying properly, but the most see their survival as a sign of grace. Veteran Repentia are usually granted greater respect and greater freedom from the lash. Often the Sisterhood would welcome a veteran Repentia back into their ranks, redeemed by countless battles, but her own shame is too deep to accept forgiveness.



Design notes:
Spoiler:

Note her AOF basically gives the Repentia an extra round of Spirit of the Martyr that they can use to live long enough to get into Assault.

Based on regular Repentia (14 points)

Add:
+1 Wound: +10
Shred: +10
Permanent FNP (5+) on a T:3 model (per Ovion): +10 points
Subtotal: 30, divide by 3 for elite infantry (per Ovion) = +10 pts

Standard upgrade to "sergeant"-style character (+1 A, +1 Ld): +10

Total: 14 base + 10 + 10 = 34, round up to 35

Replacing Mistress of Penitents: 6 pts
Repentia squad is 85 points for 4 Repentia and 1 Mistress. Repentia cost 14, so 85 -4(14) = 29 points must be the cost of the mistress.




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Sororitas Command Squad: new options
Spoiler:

The Sororitas Command Squad may select a Rhino, Immolator, Repressor, or Deliverer Assault Vehicle as a Dedicated Transport.

Any Celestian may take a Storm Shield: 10 points per model
For each Canoness that takes a jump pack, one Sororitas Command Squad may also take jump packs for 15 points.
For each Canoness that takes a Sororitas Bike, one Sororitas Command Squad may also take Sororitas Bikes for 55 points.

The Sororitas Command Squad may take Stigmata of Fury: 10 points
The elite of the elite, those Celestians selected to protect the Canoness herself have combat experience unequalled among the Sororitas. After so many battles and so many scars, the sacred fury that other Celestians must pray for comes to these veterans as easily as breathing.
A unit with Stigmata of Fury has the Furious Charge special rule.




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Ministorum Confessor: 100 points
WS:4 BS:4 S:3 T:3 W:3 I:3 A:3 Ld:9 Sv:5+/4++

Ministorum Missionary: 80 points
WS:4 BS:4 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:3 Ld:8 Sv:5+/4++
Spoiler:

Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Unit Composition: 1 Confessor or 1 Missionary

Wargear: Flak armour, laspistol, close combat weapon, frag grenades, krak grenades, rosarius

Special Rules: War Hymns, Zealot

Conclave Commander:
For each Confessor and/or Missionary in your army, you may take one Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave. Such a conclave may take a Deliverer Assault Vehicle as a Dedicated Transport.
A Confessor or Missionary who does not take a Conclave may instead take a Chariot of Fire (q.v.) as a Dedicated Transport.

Options:
May replace laspistol with one of the following:
- Autogun - free
- Bolt pistol - 1 pt
- Boltgun - 1 pt
- Plasma gun - 15 pts
- May take melta bombs - 5 pts
A Confessor or Missionary may take Purity seals: 15 points
A Confessor or Missionary may take items from the Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons and Ecclesiarchy Relics lists.

One Confessor per detatchment may take Litanies of War (see below).

Far more ferocious than ordinary priests and largely independent of the normal hierarchy of Cardinals and dioceses, Confessors and Missionaries are wide-ranging holy warriors. Backed by their personal battle conclaves, Battle Sisters seconded from the Adepta Sororitas, and ad hoc Frateris militia, they carry the Emperor's Light into the darkness -- whether that darkness is a world light-years beyond human space, a rebellious Imperial planet, or a nest of heretics down the street from their cathedral.


Design notes:
Spoiler:

Both these characters are based on the Ministorum priest. The Confessor's stats are lower than in the White Dwarf codex because I don't want a generic HQ to outshine Uriah Jacobus and I don't want a non-Sister to outshine the Canoness as a combatant (which I suspect is why the codex writers toned downed Jacobus). The Missionary simply exists to provide a second-tier HQ for smaller games or to back up your primary HQ character.

Compared to the Priest, the Confessor has +1 WS (+10), +1 BS (+10), +2 W (+20), +1A, (+10) +2 Ld (+10), each a 10-point improvement per Ovion: +60 points
+15 points for War Hymns on a 3-wound, WS:4, Ld:9 model instead of a one-hit wonder
Total: 100 points

The Missionary has +1 WS (+10), +1 BS (+10), +1W (+10), +1A (+10), and +1 Ld (+5): +45 points
+10 points for War Hymns on a 2-wound, WS:4, Ld:8 model
Total: 80 points


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Litanies of War: 40 points
The greatest of Confessors can inspire miraculous brutality. Their hymns of holy hatred rise above the roar of battle and orchestrate the scattered faithful into a single choir of destruction.
Spoiler:

A Confessor (not a Missionary) may take one and only one of the Litanies of War listed below. Once per game, at the beginning of an appropriate phase, he may attempt to invoke the Litany by taking a Leadership test. If he fails, nothing happens and the hymn is lost. If he succeeds, the hymn affects all Imperium of Man units within 6", and the effect described lasts until the end of the current phase.

Anathema:
The Confessor pronounces a dreadful curse upon a particular evildoer, which his followers then execute.
The Confessor may use this hymn at the beginning of his side's Shooting Phase or of either side's Assault Phase. Designate a single enemy model within the Confessor's line of sight to be anathematized. All friendly units within 6" of the Confessor gain the Preferred Enemy special rule towards the anathematized model and its unit until the end of the phase.

Fear No Evil
The Confessor's contempt for death inspires undying courage.
The Confessor may use this hymn at the beginning of any phase. All friendly units within 6" gain the Fearless special rule until the end of the phase. Any affected unit that was Falling Back immediately regroups, regardless of what phase it is, and may move, shoot (or run), and charge normally this turn.

The Fear of the Lord
The Confessor fills his followers with the terrible wrath of the God-Emperor, and His enemies quail.
The Confessor may use this hymn at the beginning of either player's Assault phase. Until the end of the phase, every friendly unit within 6" gains the Fear special rule and is immune from Fear itself.

Thy Sisters' Keeper
Filled with love for their comrades and hatred for the enemy, the faithful protect each other with withering crossfire.
The Confessor may use this hymn at the beginning of the enemy's Assault Phase. If any affected unit is charged, any other affected units may fire Overwatch just as if they were the targets of the charge themselves, except that no template weapons may be used. Remember that no unit can fire Overwatch more than once per turn.


Design Notes:
Spoiler:

Originally the "Hymns of Hatred" were "Litanies of Command" for the Canoness, but I decided their "cleric buffs the party" quality fit the Confessor better and gave him something special.
They are very roughly costed on (1) Ovion's rule of thumb that adding one special rule to one unit is worth 10 points (except for Fear @ 5 pts, and immunity from Fear without fearless I figures should be the same) and (2) the assumption that you'll probably be able to get 3-4 units within 6" of the Confessor, but (3) each hymn only works once and has a small chance of not working at all, so they deserve a slight discount.



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Chariot of Fire: 75 points (Fast Attack)
BS:1 Armour:12/12/10 Hull Points:3
Spoiler:

Unit Composition: 1 Chariot of Fire
Unit type: Vehicle (Chariot, Open-Topped)

Transport Capacity: 1 (independent characters only)

Wargear: Twin-linked heavy flamer

Special Rules: Furious Charge

Mobile Pulpit:
As long as they are within 6" of a Confessor or Missionary riding a Chariot of Fire, any Imperium of Man units gain the War Hymns special rule. However, they may only use the "The Emperor Protects" and "Righteousness of the Emperor" hymns.


An enormous, flame-belching, three-wheeled variant of the standard Space Marine and Sororitas bikes, the Chariot of Fire is reserved for the most elevated and vicious of the Ecclesiarchy's clergy.


Design notes:
Spoiler:

Based on the Blood Throne of Khorne (which costs +75 pts as a dedicated transport for a Herald)

Add:
+1 BS = +10
TL heavy flamer: +15
Replace Totem with Mobile Pulpit: +0
Subtotal: +25

Subtract:
Replace Daemon of Khorne (Furious Charge, Hatred:Slaanesh) with Furious Charge only: -5 points
Remove Deep Strike: -10
Remove Gorefeast: -10
Subtotal: -25

Net: 0!


[EDITED 11/26 to change Canoness Retributant's power from Rending to Relentless, and to clarify that Canonesses eligible for Special or Heavy Weapons must pay for them.]

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Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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I think the question that bears asking is - to put it bluntly - what the point all of this is. While I get why you've introduced the jump pack and bike options for the Canoness (especially in light of your bike squad idea, for the latter), I'm not really sure about near everything else. Basically, what I'm saying is that it's difficult to comment without knowing your thought process and intent behind the new units and/or options. The reason why this hasn't been too much of an issue before is because most regular units tend to have more clearly defined roles and are simpler with less overall options/utility/flexibility within the army.

I'd also warn against giving the Canoness too many options; the reason being the current does give the unit certain weaknesses that instead need to be filled by other HQs/units (most notably Priests). More so, it potentially allows for broken combinations (either with some of the other new units/options or with preexisting ones). Instead, I'd say to instead create new special characters instead for better control.
   
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First thing: the point is definitely not making the Sisters "the Overpowered Order of Saint Mary Sue." So there's almost certainly stuff I need to tone done or cut out altogether -- maybe the War Hymnal. So you ask a good and helpful question, because I definitely need to articulate this better and maybe think more clearly.

The overall objective of everything I'm doing is to make Sisters a "complete" army, with the range of choices and variety of builds you have for most Codexes in the game -- without losing their strong, unique character. That means both new units and new options to improve under-used units like the Canoness.

In this thread in particular, I'm trying to make the Canoness more useful without making her an un-Sisterly beatstick. Instead, most of the new wargear, the Records of Service, and the Order Relics buff the Canoness's unit and/or the rest of the army -- which is what I think HQs should really be about in general. (Oops, pun not intended).

The Records of Service and the Order Relics also try to give the Sisters the equivalent of Chapter Tactics -- which I consider the coolest new idea in the current Marine 'dex -- without just saying "ok, my Sisters are in Order X so they all get Special Rule Y and I don't pay any points for it." Each Record and Relic ties into a specific kind of Sisters unit and either buffs that kind of unit (Relics) or gives the Canoness some of that unit's abilities (Records).

Yes, this is a lot of customizability, and that can get borkened pretty quick. But I strongly prefer being able to customize HQs and "build your own special character" to being handed a list of Special Snowflakes someone else thought of (and usually wrote absurdly over-the-top fluff for...).

Another intent here -- and maybe it's problematic, as you suggest -- is to make Priests unnecessary or at least replaceable. I got annoyed that the best unit in our new digital dex was a dude. Hence the Chorister and the War Hymnal. Priests are still the cheapest way to get War Hymns, though, and because there are three Hymns, you still can benefit from multiple characters with War Hymns in the same unit. That said, maybe I should take away the War Hymnal so Canonesses (and Palatines) can focus on leadership rather than singing, and thereby protect the distinct supporting role of the Priests, as well as my new Choristers, Missionaries, and Confessors.

As that list suggests, another of my objectives is to give a wide variety of HQ options, both high- and low-level, with a variety of abilities, like the Marine HQ section. Repentia Champion is there as a very Sisterly beatstick -- a suicide beatstick, basically. And then finally, with the Repentia Veteran, I'm trying to buff Repentia Squads by giving them the option an extra character and an extra phase of Feel No Pain.

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Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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Well, there's nothing saying that a Priest cannot be a Priestess. The Ecclesiarchy does not, at least afaik, forbid female clergy.

I also don't see much of a problem with "too many options" for a Canoness. Yes, perhaps she will be the center of a sort-of-deathstar HQ unit... but, given that such a unit build would hardly be unique in 40K, is that really so bad?

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Priestesses are definitely the easy fix -- though there is a suggestion in Codex:Adepta Sororitas that only male Progena go to the Ministorum, Navy, or Guard -- and I'm less irritable about male priests than I was when they first came out.

As for Deathstar Canonesses, there are a few options that might lend themselves that way, especially the Record of Service that gives you a ex-Repentia Canoness with Feel No Pain and Rage. I don't think most of the other options are too dangerous, but someone with more rules savvy than me should go through these and look for cunning/broken combos -- I'd be grateful.

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Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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On a glance, I disapprove of the repentia HQ.
I find it unlikely that a repentia will be given command of a force, even if she is a former cannoness.
At the very least they should not qualify as mandatory HQ.


Chorister is worth 50 points, that 2 LD boost made the hymm itself much better as a chain reaction, its a clear case where additive statlines alone do not do.

Burning brand REALLY needs a new name, given that its a chaos relic already x_X

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Not all priests are progena, though, which still leaves openings for female Priests.

The other option would be to make them Sisters Sabine, which is the route I've gone down - same stats as Priests because I use them casually, but custom models.

Why does the Chorister have a 5++? Surely it should be 6++ SoF or 4++ Rosarius?

Palatine is severely undercosted. She loses a minute amount for the cost difference - most of the differences will never be felt, especially since you can get them as auxiliaries and still have the stubborn squads.

The Orders of Battle... Retributant is just... I mean, can you imagine... A full command squad with six heavy flamers, including hers, rending every round? Aiya.

The others look more balanced, since they don't affect the whole squad she's with, but perhaps the Seraphic one should unlock hand flamers? She can already take a second bolt pistol by swapping her chainsword for one off the wargear list.




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Thanks for thoughts. Lemme see.

BoomWolf wrote:On a glance, I disapprove of the repentia HQ. I find it unlikely that a repentia will be given command of a force, even if she is a former cannoness. At the very least they should not qualify as mandatory HQ.


Good point. I originally toyed with a rule like this, but I wanted to carve out an exception for all-Frateris forces, and then I thought "what about desperate circumstance when the Canoness and all the Palatines are dead?", and I got myself tied in knots. Maybe I should just say "can never be your mandatory HQ choice or your Warlord" and leave it at that.

BoomWolf wrote:Chorister is worth 50 points, that 2 LD boost made the hymm itself much better as a chain reaction, its a clear case where additive statlines alone do not do.


Quite possibly. But I'm a little worried about a 50 point, 1-Wound character who only makes a "Look out, sir/ma'am!" on a 4+. she's an IC and I'm an idiot

BoomWolf wrote:Burning brand REALLY needs a new name, given that its a chaos relic already x_X


Dangnabbit.

Furyou Miko wrote:Why does the Chorister have a 5++? Surely it should be 6++ SoF or 4++ Rosarius?


Whoops. Typo now fixed.

Furyou Miko wrote:Palatine is severely undercosted. She loses a minute amount for the cost difference - most of the differences will never be felt, especially since you can get them as auxiliaries and still have the stubborn squads.



Furyou Miko wrote:The Orders of Battle... Retributant is just... I mean, can you imagine... A full command squad with six heavy flamers, including hers, rending every round? Aiya.


Don't you mean "yay"? And I'm not sure it's so unbalanced, since it's a 20-point upgrade for a single squad that ends up costing 200 points.*
* Canoness @ 65 pts + Retributant @ 20 pts + Sororitas Command Squad @ 65 pts + 5(Heavy Flamers @ 10 pts) = 200 pts

That said, my other "super-Retributor" option I've looked at is Relentless. It breaks the theme of Records of Service giving a permanent form of what a normal unit only gets as an Act of Faith, but it would make the heavy-weapons SCS scarily mobile, which is fitting for a commander moving to the critical point and opens tactical options in a way that Rending doesn't. What do folks think?

Furyou Miko wrote:The others look more balanced, since they don't affect the whole squad she's with, but perhaps the Seraphic one should unlock hand flamers? She can already take a second bolt pistol by swapping her chainsword for one off the wargear list.


Good call. I'm tempted to just add Hand Flamers to the Ranged Weapons list, actually -- Inferno Pistols are already on there -- so any character in the army can take one, but that means every squad Superior could take one. Too powerful?

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Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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No, sounds fair to me. It's basically a trade off of killing power against targets hit.



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Ah, because a plasma pistol (or inferno pistol) has much better Strength and AP than a hand flamer.

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Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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Eeeem, the Chorister is an IC, by default she passes LoS! (LoM?) at a 2+. that's hardly an issue than.

As for Retributant, defiantly should not pass along her rending, opens up TOO much abuse with allies. (rending guard blob HELLO) and even without it opens the door to some incredibly cheesy builds anyway by the mere fact it gives a heavy weapon to a cannoness.
I'd make it an always-on rending but only the the cannoness herself, or that shared relentless option that you mentioned-that also works alright.


And I feel all records of service that allow weapons trades should note that you still need to pay for the new weapon, its not 100% clear as written (and if you meant they don't-many are OP)

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Holy sh*t rending Guard blob. I did not think of that. I didn't think of allies at all, actually. Maybe I should write the Records of Service and Order Relics as only conveying special rules to a Sisters squad, both for fluff reasons and to prevent ally abuse?

For the Canoness Retributant I'll go with Relentless on her and her squad. It's more interesting than just "these guys shoot real good now m'kay?"

And I'll clarify the bit about paying for the weapons.

Also: d'oh Chorister is an IC I am an idiot.

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Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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 SisterSydney wrote:
Holy sh*t rending Guard blob.


That's what SHE said!



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Why am I not surprised this is miko's first response XD

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It's not, I posted up the page a bit :p



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Looking at all of these wargear items with allies in mind, the two that pop out as potentially abusable -- now we've fixed the Rending thing -- are

1) the Skull of Lucia relic, which gives the Canoness's squad FNP(5+). Potentially nasty on either a Guard blob (especially with War Hymns) or any number of Space Marine squads.
2) Arabella's targeter, which gives the Canoness's squad twin-linked.
Both of these are 60-ish points, not 20 points like the Record of Service we just changed. (They also affect nearby Sisters squads of a specific type, in these cases Repentia and Retributors respectively). But even so, are they dangerously abusable?

The last thing I want is some OP item discrediting the rest of my homebrew, so I'm eager for advice.

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Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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Always good to see these threads - I don't currently play 7th ed - sticking to 6 (or 6.5) but for what its worth my opinion

New Wargear:

Blessed Armour is good, needed and characterful
Pres - interesting may be a bit clunky and think a straight Storm Shield with the deny would be good for the appropriate points
Purity Seals: good, needed and characterful - the only querry would be why this is only available to Sororitas - it should be a Astartes thing as well?
Bike - For some reason I am not keen on the Sororitas Bikes...........
Way Hymnat good, needed and characterful
Book of the acts - maybe should be a relic given its power?

New Options: All good as above.

Records of Service:
In the spirit of current 40k rules writing - this really should be a random table......... I'd actaully prefer straight "Order Tactics".

Not keen on the Redemptia one - seems unlikely but may be likely on the table if you see what I mean.

Relics - Also needs to be clear that a Cannoness can take more than one relic - like Astartes
Grail: cool fluff and seems good. Do you need to say its +1 to profile if power weapons are being used?
Skull; Again good fluff (*)
Shroud - as above
Broken Halo - as above, maybe some negative effect on Allied Astartes or can't include them from the specific Chapter the axe was taken from - Black Tempars was one can't recall the others Imperial Fists?
Burning brand - donlt like the name and does seem a bit awesome?
Light undying - great fluff - although I am not sure that if specific relic ranged weapon would be better?

Palatine is very good and much needed.

Sister Chorister - perhaps Sororitas Chorister but good fluff etc

Repentia Champion - I would base on the Palatine?

Command Squad Options
Rather than jet packs perhaps give the option to take a Serpahim Command Squad?




(*) need to make sure I have the fluff stuff recorded as realy enjoying

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Thanks. I'll ponder making the Praesidium a Storm Shield w/ + DTW; that would certainly be simpler in rules terms. Maybe vanilla Storm Shields could be an option for the SCS?

I've gone back and forth on the appropriate bodyguard for a jump pack Canoness: Celestians, Seraphim, or something new. In the end I decided giving jump packs to the SCS was best because they have two attacks per model and access to power weapons -- and maybe now we should add Storm Shields? -- which lets you field a genuine "close combat angels" unit if desired. (Whereas Seraphim be shooty). Yes, SCS unit Act of Faith is largely useless if they become jump infantry, but that's where the Book of Acts comes in!

(also now I realize the Chorister needs the option to take a jump pack so your jump assault SCS can have Hymns! Editing that in forthwith)

Other things:
1) Repentia Champion is meant to be absolutely terrifying and insane. For a Palatine-level (two-wound) Repentia character, see the Repentia veteran.
2) Purity Seals are for any "Forces of the Imperium" character -- so slap 'em on your Astartes all you like! It's the Sisters who need them most, though, given the 7E nerf to Deny the Witch (you can't get dice to Deny without psykers of your own).

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 Psienesis wrote:
Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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Well, are Bolt Pistols in the weapon list? 'cause if they are, they can swap their bolter for a bolt pistol and be Seraphim anyway.



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It's not, strangely. The Canoness comes with a bolt pistol and chainsword, and her army list entry specifically says she may swap the bolt pistol for a boltgun, but nothing about swapping out the chainsword. The Ranged Weapons list, meanwhile, doesn't include the option for a bolt pistol. Go figure.

Maybe I should I just add bolt pistols (1 point each) and hand flamers (5 points each) to the Ranged Weapons list. (Inferno pistols are already on there). Then I can just say "the Canoness Seraphic may take two pistols of any kind from Ranged Weapons list, paying the usual points cost).

What do people think about Storm Shields being an option for the Sororitas Command Squad, so they can get really medieval on your ass?


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P.S.: Based on Space Marine precedents -- Command Squads and Vanguard Veterans -- Storm Shields would cost the Sororitas Command Squad 10 pts per model. They'd cost independent characters 15, but ICs would also have the option for a Praesidium.

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 Psienesis wrote:
Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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Sounds good to me, on all counts.



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Ok, I've updated the original post with various tweaks & fixes suggested. I'm still anxious about potentially broken combos on two of the Order Relics, though:

 SisterSydney wrote:
Looking at all of these wargear items with allies in mind, the two that pop out as potentially abusable -- now we've fixed the Rending thing -- are

1) the Skull of Lucia relic, which gives the Canoness's squad FNP(5+). Potentially nasty on either a Guard blob (especially with War Hymns) or any number of Space Marine squads.
2) Arabella's targeter, which gives the Canoness's squad twin-linked.
Both of these are 60-ish points, not 20 points like the Record of Service we just changed. (They also affect nearby Sisters squads of a specific type, in these cases Repentia and Retributors respectively). But even so, are they dangerously abusable?

The last thing I want is some OP item discrediting the rest of my homebrew, so I'm eager for advice.

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 Psienesis wrote:
Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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The final (?) versions of all these are now with all my homebrew in one post: Sisters of Battle Fandex/Expandex: 30 New Units For The Adepta Sororitas. I'm eager for comment & critique.

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 Psienesis wrote:
Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.

I’m updating that fandex now & I’m eager for feedback on new home-brew units for the Sisters: Sororitas Bikers, infiltrators & Novices, tanks, flyers, characters, superheavies, Frateris Militia, and now Confessors and Battle Conclave characters
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