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Several months ago, I started searching for a way to improve the quality, lower the price and bump the production level to meet my customers’ expectations. I am happy to say that I have met and exceeded these goals. The Leviathan Crusader has made it to the pre-production phase (mold draft and parting line establishment for metal tooling) and is ready to become a plastic injected model kit. Not Resin, not Restic, not some soft plastic hybrid, but injected high impact styrene. The same kind of model kit you will find in any hobby store.

One of our largest stumbling blocks has been keeping up with customer demand for our resin kits. We have found it increasingly difficult to produce our large kits in a quality, quantity and price point to meet my high standards. The constant search for a suitable service provider and manufacturing method for our resin kits has stifled design and production, taking me away from the important work of product design and game development.

On August 16th; the first day of Gencon, we will open up our Kickstarter campaign to help fund this switch from resin and metal miniatures and models to an all plastic line.

You can read more and possibly win a Leviathan Crusader kit by liking our Facebook page and leaving a comment so we can find you again later.

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Plastic dreamforge?

Ooooh goody!

Come on, this can't be true... a kickstarter I might contribute to!

Please update your title with 'Dreamforge' so people know what the thread is about...








Oh ya! Almost forgot! Effin Awesome! Congrats!

So like real plastic model kits, or plasticy/resiny stuff?

Necros wrote:So like real plastic model kits, or plasticy/resiny stuff?

Plastic, not resin, not restic, not soft plastic hybrid.... PLASTIC! injected styrene PLASTIC

Any idea on the final price? Or what the contribution level of the kickstarter is to actually get one the models?

Holy Crap! Going straight to injection molded plastic? Damn, color me impressed...

To be honest, the biggest and possibly only obstacle preventing me from buying from Dreamforge was the cost. Not saying the cost isn't justified on the amazing model, but it's tremendously prohibitive to buy one of your Leviathans without serious forethought.

If you're going plastic, that has me sold.

Absolutionis wrote:To be honest, the biggest and possibly only obstacle preventing me from buying from Dreamforge was the cost. Not saying the cost isn't justified on the amazing model, but it's tremendously prohibitive to buy one of your Leviathans without serious forethought.

If you're going plastic, that has me sold.

I would like to second this. Going plastic by itself doesn't necessarily guarantee that I'll buy one of your AWESOME MACHINES, but if GOING PLASTIC = SIGNIFICANT PRICE REDUCTION, then I am totally in (I also second the notion that your great design perhaps merited the price, but it was still out of reach for a gamer like me). I am also excited about the idea of a Kickstarter, as those other ones floating around Dakka look cool, but none have blown me away in terms of the minis' quality and utility to me personally. But for your stuff, I'll MAKE a reason

Additionally, I worry about the potential health hazards of resin, so this would eliminate that problem too.

So, provisionally count me in - just don't tell my wife!

-C6

Nosegoblin,


I would just like to say that I am a great fan of yours. I allready own 28mm and 15mm scale leviathans, (heck I even have an old Gabriel Knight). I will surely buy a plastic Leviathan as well. Your product thus far has been outstanding.

This is the first kickstarter project I have serious considered contributing to in any way, and I WILL contribute. You can count me in for at least two of these when they become available.

Absolutionis wrote:To be honest, the biggest and possibly only obstacle preventing me from buying from Dreamforge was the cost. Not saying the cost isn't justified on the amazing model, but it's tremendously prohibitive to buy one of your Leviathans without serious forethought.

If you're going plastic, that has me sold.

Same situation. Bring on the Kickstarter!

With all this in mind, you can see why the starting pledge is higher than you may be accustomed to in a Kickstarter.

-from the DreamForge blog linked in OP

This part has me a little worried - since I only stopped myself from buying one before due to the prohibitive cost, the above caveat doesn't inspire much confidence that the Kickstarter will move closer to a price range that is affordable for folks like myself. I hope I'm worng on this. I guess when the Kickstarter details come out, we can all decide if our respective wallets can justify this.

Still, regardless of my own ability to get in on the Kickstarter, or buy stuff later, I'm glad to see a great design and great potential get some attention and support. A great addition to the hobby world at large, and hopefully a great option for us hobbyists far into the future.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Sorry about the caps... but there is no other way to ask for this.



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I assume that they will be 'around' the cost of the titans themselves ~$300

That is MUCH higher than most Mini Game Kickstarters. I hope that's what is meant by that

Makaleth wrote:
I assume that they will be 'around' the cost of the titans themselves ~$300

That is MUCH higher than most Mini Game Kickstarters. I hope that's what is meant by that

Hmm true but what if we just want a few boxes of the infantry if one of the big guys is the starting pledge? Unless they're one of those add on stuff

Kenshin: Good point... I am ONLY interested in the titans. They do have other stuff so maybe they are in this too.

But to be honest, just doing the titans on this and waiting to see how MUCH they can get with the small fries being added on afterwards or as optional extras (to smaller $1 pledges) might be the best bet.

DreamForge Games wrote:Plastic Eisenkern Stormtroopers? Yes

You have my undivided attention.

Amazing!!! So who will be producing the kits?

Very, very cool!!

I have to admit to a tiny twinge of disappointment that I won't be as unique in my hording of your creations but it's awesome that more people will have access to them, and I think I remember you saying they would be made in a slightly different scale (slightly smaller? than the 15mm ones, which are still really tall... or maybe I'm mis-remembering).

I hope the Kickstarter has the option for some of your troops, as well, although it sounds like it may be just for the 8.5" tall leviathan crusader.

What about converting the old models? The first plastic kit is a very ambitious project. We will be releasing the Leviathan Crusader at full scale (28mm 8.5” tall).

And for the future:

What can I expect for the next releases?
Plastic Eisenkern Stormtroopers? Yes.
More vehicles, Tanks, APC’s etc.? Yes.
More factions for the Iron-Core universe? Yes.
More Leviathan variants? Yes.
Optional arms for your Leviathans? Yes.
15mm scale kits? Yes.
All in plastic? Yes, yes and YES!

About the goal of the Kickstarter, I think:

As you can imagine, the initial startup costs involved with this production method are substantial. The tooling costs for this kit will exceed $100k, but moving in this direction is the best and most logical choice not only for my company but for my customers. We are offering this project in order to pay for the tooling, an expense far outside the ability for most small companies (such as DreamForge-Games) to absorb.

Anyway, all really, Really interesting! I am very interested in more Dreamforge products, although unfortunately I pretty much tapped out my hobby budget for this year by buying so many of the resin ones . But this is really awesome!

If there's a $100 to $150 "sweet spot pledge", I'm in. If the good pledges start at $300, I (and probably many others) will pass.

Starting pledge will be under $100.00 with a better discount per kit when you purchase multiples. They will Kickstart for less than 1/4 to 1/5 the cost of a resin kit I have some nice extras on tap for stretch goals and quite a few add X to get Y for after we cover the mold costs.....

I don't want to give any more away, but I wanted you to know they will be substantially less than the cost of a resin kit.

Great news about the price. Sounds like they'll be a premium priced injection kit, but still well under the resin kit cost.

NoseGoblin wrote:I don't want to give any more away, but I wanted you to know they will be substantially less than the cost of a resin kit.

Give it all away! GIVE IT ALL AWAY!

Can we at least get a vague date? I would love to get a Titan so want to know when I should be particularly "Fiscally Solvent"

Vain wrote:

NoseGoblin wrote:I don't want to give any more away, but I wanted you to know they will be substantially less than the cost of a resin kit.

Give it all away! GIVE IT ALL AWAY!

Can we at least get a vague date? I would love to get a Titan so want to know when I should be particularly "Fiscally Solvent"

On August 16th; the first day of Gencon, we will open up our Kickstarter campaign to help fund this switch from resin and metal miniatures and models to an all plastic line.

So... 3 Titans for $50? No?

Ok... $40?

Bananas.
I'm hoping that this goes through before we hit the KS saturation point. The international community of nerds can only remortgage their houses do many times.

NoseGoblin wrote:Starting pledge will be under $100.00 with a better discount per kit when you purchase multiples. They will Kickstart for less than 1/4 to 1/5 the cost of a resin kit I have some nice extras on tap for step goals and quite a few add X to get Y for after we cover the mold costs.....

I don't want to give any more away, but I wanted you to know they will be substantially less than the cost of a resin kit.

Oh happy days

The 16th will be very exciting

NoseGoblin wrote:On August 16th; the first day of Gencon, we will open up our Kickstarter campaign to help fund this switch from resin and metal miniatures and models to an all plastic line.

SHUT UP! I want to be told things without reading!

Sweet, time to crank that overtime!

Wow, this is awesome, although the timing is terrible for me financially...in in the Soda Pop kickstarter for a good amount, GW starter with chaos goodies in a couple weeks, and my family is making a long distance move in 5 weeks.

If the kick in for a full kit is around $100, I might b able to get in on it.

Hmm. definitely something to think about. A Crusader would make a bitchin' Imperial Knight, but I could never afford the resin price..

OMG getting excited

I'm of course in- I am very interested in those Troop figure options, as well.

Can't have too many evil Cobra looking guys.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/4 or 1/5 of the price... this might be seeing 3/4/5 for me :(

My poor wallet!!
Darn, might need to cancel other kickstarters for this... will have to see...

that remortgage option is sounding REALLY good right now.

What the hell. I didn't want to move into a condo this year anyway. :/

Wow... this is almost too good to be true.

plastictrees wrote:Bananas.
I'm hoping that this goes through before we hit the KS saturation point. The international community of nerds can only remortgage their houses do many times.

Clever observation! And I agree

As to price, I was fearing something like $250+, so if I can get in on the ground floor, get a nice model, and support this project/company for something closer to $100 (or more, depending on the enticements), then that extra money I'd saved up for GW stuff to go with the 6th Ed. Starter Set will be going your way instead

-C6

This is incredible news.

Exciting~! Was going to back the Soda Pop project, but I'll hold off til the 16th and see what's up. I hope the infantry kits are part of this kickstarter /crossfingers

Thursday it is, then!

I am very curious...... but again with 10 of the smaller resin ones I doubt I personally will need another (although having a bigger one could be cool... hmmmmmmmmmmmm).

Anyway, an ambitious and awesome project, I really hope it succeeds!!

catharsix wrote:

plastictrees wrote:Bananas.
I'm hoping that this goes through before we hit the KS saturation point. The international community of nerds can only remortgage their houses do many times.

Clever observation! And I agree

As to price, I was fearing something like $250+, so if I can get in on the ground floor, get a nice model, and support this project/company for something closer to $100 (or more, depending on the enticements), then that extra money I'd saved up for GW stuff to go with the 6th Ed. Starter Set will be going your way instead

-C6

Funny Ive been thinking the exact same thing. Skipping out on the GW starter would save me over $100, I could also back off on my Soda Pop kickstarter pledge without losing anything substantial, that would free up a bit more. The only thing holding me back is I want the limited edition Chaplain in the limited starter set...hmmmm....decisions...




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Interesting to see you are using slide-core tooling. We have several slide-core molds where I work (im an injection molding machine operator) and they can be quite complex, but will give you any shape you desire. Id actually like to see the molds as well as the models.

That sounds like the first kickstarter I´ll participate in. Excellent. Looking forward to the 16th.

Take my money! I'll be shoving it down your throat by the barrel full (now that I actuall have a steady income)

SoSOSOSOSO excited!

Awesome, finally some PLASTIC sci-fi models from another company with good sculpting.

I'm not sure if I'm up for a leviathan, but if some of your infantry make it to plastic, I'm definitely in.

Don't know if I'll have the funds to get in on this, but I shall if I can. Always wanted a Mortis, so if you make a pastified version I'll be getting one eventually

Hope this goes well for you. Expect me to copy off you for my game if it does

Anyone know how big that thing stands next to a Warmachine Colossal?

I think I'm on board with most other people here. I could definitely pledge in the 100 to 150$ range, but above that, for a kit, this will have to wait. Having knights to run around my warhound would be nice though.

I've seen comparison shots to a warhound but not a colossal, Spiggott.

George Spiggott wrote:Anyone know how big that thing stands next to a Warmachine Colossal?

Its about 8.5 inches tall, the colossals seem to be around 6 or so...so they are a bit taller.

They would make such awesome Mars pattern Knights.

Congratz! Good for you and what a great problem to have: keeping up with demand!

Definitely tempted to get one of these (or three!) for our store. They'd go great in our monthly Apoc Games.

I am interested in your product and/or service.

The resin kits were amazing, I had the first preorder in. If the plastic stays pretty true to the resin, it will be an amazing kit.

Im also hoping this gets great success, and puts GW and FW back on their heels. GW has so far ignored calls for a plastic titan, and FW sticks to overpriced resin kits. seeing a small company make a very awesome titan sized kit will likely drive them nuts.

Just wanted to say thank you for all the support everyone.

I was worried that we may have been too late to avoid Kickstarter fatigue, not only the mental drain from ten thousand projects but the financial drain on your poor wallets. Even if you find yourselves broke and unable to participate, this project has a large price tag on the back end to get it rolling. Any help you can give getting the word out, Tweets, Facebook game forums would be a HUGE help. I am trying to cover all the major sites…Dakka at the top, and buy advertising on all the major stops… but I don’t want to spam my wherz and drive everyone nuts.

Thanks again!
Mark-

We love hearing about it here, Mark, so keep it coming!

Agreed, but I suppose the actual KS is soon coming!! So I can wait a day

NoseGoblin wrote:Just wanted to say thank you for all the support everyone.

I was worried that we may have been too late to avoid Kickstarter fatigue, not only the mental drain from ten thousand projects but the financial drain on your poor wallets. Even if you find yourselves broke and unable to participate, this project has a large price tag on the back end to get it rolling. Any help you can give getting the word out, Tweets, Facebook game forums would be a HUGE help. I am trying to cover all the major sites…Dakka at the top, and buy advertising on all the major stops… but I don’t want to spam my wherz and drive everyone nuts.

Thanks again!
Mark-

Have you tried Bartertown? There are certainly plenty of folks there who'd be interested (there's a good bit of crossover - many users, like myself, even have the exact same handles).

You can advertise in certain threads, maybe talk about it in other threads, and buy adverts on the site. Every little bit helps!

Hope you can spread the word far and wide, so you can make this happen, and we can all get reasonably priced, awesome titans, and stick it to GW and FW by voting with our wallets - voting for you!

-C6

Bah, I was a day off, was thinking this would launch tomorrow (Wed)... I am very curious, although hopefully my wallet will stay in my pocket!

I hope those really big armoured infantry guys become part of this Kickstarter. They'd make excellent Mechanicus Myrmidons.

YESS! great to hear!

H.B.M.C. wrote:I hope those really big armoured infantry guys become part of this Kickstarter. They'd make excellent Mechanicus Myrmidons.

Ooh yes, I cant remember the last time they had an update

Awesome, eagerly awaiting more news.

Any chance your first product might look something like this?

It very well could do. It would be the last product as well, but still very nice.

Oh god. So awesome. Kickstarter is going to be death of me.

Actually, now this is in plastic, surely an upgrade pack would be possible.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Awesome, eagerly awaiting more news.

Any chance your first product might look something like this?

Lol, my second product WAS that and GW did not like that much


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Makaleth wrote:Actually, now this is in plastic, surely an upgrade pack would be possible.

Hmmm have to wait and see

Saphos wrote:That sounds like the first kickstarter I´ll participate in. Excellent. Looking forward to the 16th.

+ 1 to this.

Fantastic news, Mark.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Awesome, eagerly awaiting more news.

Any chance your first product might look something like this?

You're so lazy Kyoto. Just make one yourself:

NoseGoblin wrote:

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Makaleth wrote:Actually, now this is in plastic, surely an upgrade pack would be possible.

Hmmm have to wait and see

But I want it now!!
*hitting refresh on Kickstarter page for next 36 hours!!*

^ You no longer have to click refresh on Kickstarter, the website auto-loads the latest total for you!

I do have a couple questions regarding the new models themselves. I have a couple spare resin weapons from the resin Crusader. Would they be compatible with the new plastic model, or will the plastic one have completely new attachment points?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

You're so lazy Kyoto. Just make one yourself:

Jeebus, Marty and the Spacial Emporer of Space!

Whose is that?

I want one.

cuda1179 wrote:I do have a couple questions regarding the new models themselves. I have a couple spare resin weapons from the resin Crusader. Would they be compatible with the new plastic model, or will the plastic one have completely new attachment points?

The design and scale is the same, but the tolerances may be a bit tighter, so you may need to sand down the tab? but it should work fine

Looking forward to the kickstarter...Im going to pass on the 40k 6th ed starter in favor of this project.

Congratulations on making the switch to plastic. I won't be getting the Leviathan due to GW putting the kibosh on the army where it might fit, but the foundation units like infantry and APCs are definitely something I'll be looking at.

One thing I have been thinking about:

Games Workshop REALLY hates it when someone else excels in an area they themsleves are not willing to tread.

What if GW decides to quickly kick out a plastic Warhound to enter the market as well? Kind of the Big-Mac to the Wopper. This coule either be a new era for modelers, orflood the market with similar product.

NoseGoblin wrote:Starting pledge will be under $100.00 with a better discount per kit when you purchase multiples. They will Kickstart for less than 1/4 to 1/5 the cost of a resin kit

...so that's in the $75-$95 range, tops? do you have a ballpark for intl. shipping yet?
also, kudos for those instructions with the current resin kit. extensive does not begin to describe what those are

edit: preview would be my friend.

cuda1179 wrote:One thing I have been thinking about:

Games Workshop REALLY hates it when someone else excels in an area they themsleves are not willing to tread.

What if GW decides to quickly kick out a plastic Warhound to enter the market as well? Kind of the Big-Mac to the Wopper. This coule either be a new era for modelers, orflood the market with similar product.

The Warhound is actually a good bit bigger than the Crusader, and likely to be much more expensive...so Id say it wouldnt be a huge bit of competition. However, if they released a Knight, which is closer in size to the Crusader, that might a different issue. However, GW is big enough that its not likely to snap release a product, it would take many months of development, design, etc.

can't remember but was the plastic baneblade cheaper than the old FW version? I doubt GW would make a cheap plastic warhound. I'd expect like $150 minimum.

Plus the leviathans look better than the warhound anyways.

Cheaper? Yup, hella lot cheaper. Can't remember the price, but I could buy three plastics for one of those resin pieces of gak.

Nose Goblin, do you plan to do a Mortis soon? I'd much rather have the skull-head one than the knight-head one. I want in on this start-up, but definitely can't afford TWO titans (not in the same year, at any rate...)

Necros wrote:.

Plus the leviathans look better than the warhound anyways.

QFT. Dreamforge puts GW to shame.

I'm very curious what the price will turn out to be (tomorrow!). I actually thought that the 15mm ones were already an insane deal... not that much more than a FW Contemptor, but SO MUCH BIGGER

The full size one, that I think this Kickstarter is for, definitely has room to come down in price due to it being even larger and thus pretty high in price (although still a great deal, I thought).

So... can't wait to see what it is tomorrow, I assume you'll be posting it up at 12:01AM, yes?

AlexHolker wrote:... I won't be getting the Leviathan due to GW putting the kibosh on the army where it might fit...

What did GW do to you exactly?

God, I can't wait to see what the Kickstarter holds. I can't afford one right now, but if they are priced around the $100 mark, I will definitely be getting one when they are in production in the future.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:... I won't be getting the Leviathan due to GW putting the kibosh on the army where it might fit...

What did GW do to you exactly?

Inquisition maybe?

Imperial Guard?

Allied unit for any Imperial faction?

Mad4Minis wrote:

Necros wrote:.

Plus the leviathans look better than the warhound anyways.

QFT. Dreamforge puts GW to shame.

That really, really is a matter of taste. I like the dreamforge models, but if my budget allowed for it I'd get a warhound for sure.
Dreamforge's models are definately better in a technical sense - it's just a matter of taste.

And at the price point sugested here I'll certainly get one, if just for kicks

Already have a warhound... but that was the Chaos version as I just love the specific detail.

For my Grey knights I have the 15mm version of this already, I love it.

For well... everything else, I wouldn't mind the larger version (1 of each, more if there are options... being plastic this will be MUCH easier to use magnets)

I just want the big armoured troopers!

So what time does the kickstarter get going?

It's up, About $80 per crusader I would say

Well then. $90 for one and $83ea for two seems absurdly welcoming!
Free shipping too?
Delicious!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:... I won't be getting the Leviathan due to GW putting the kibosh on the army where it might fit...

What did GW do to you exactly?

Charge $9.60 per model for Sisters of Battle. McVey's Vanguard or DFG's UAMC are not Gothic SF, so a forty foot tall robotic knight would look out of place.

Only one would get lonely, thats why 3 is the perfect number yes?

I am getting 2 to go with my little one,
but if the mortis comes out... THEN 3

this really seems like it's one of those "Use Kickstarter as a preorder" things, a couple of $1 and $5 pledge markers to get a name on a page of contributors or something wouldn't have gone amiss for people who want this to work but don't necessarily want a full kit.

I'll be significantly more interested when the Mortis gets the same treatment

I'd agree that they've missed an opportunity by not adding some low value pledge levels at this stage most KS have the $1, $10 or $25 with our thanks/signed artwork options for people who want to support but not go all in.

I am surprised that there are no discounted infantry either. Don't mind these pledge levels, but agree that there are not that many LOW options.

But $80 is REALLY low for the first one


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Also,

From the comments sections on the actual Kickstarter, the Mortis will be made available as one of the stretch goals (This is after $100k)

Really hope it gets there

Also, the arms on these are interchangable without magnets, that's fantastic for me (the left assault cannon esque arm being a stretch goal suddenly becomes even more inticing)

If the Mortis will be a stretch, I'm sure the mauler claw will be- it is quite popular!

Also, already about 10% of the way to the minimum goal of 30k.

So I'll have to spend $115 on a Leviathan if I want to go on to get troopers when that stretch goal is reached?

Hmm, same situation as the Reaper one.. expensive international shipping + 33% customs fees as soon as the thing hits UK shores kills it dead for non-US backers.

Going to give this one a miss unless a small pledge level for a bunch of the infantry is added at a later date, but best of luck with it!

Hopefully the Leviathan will be enough to make this work, it's certainly a very ambitious first kit which could attract a lot of eyeballs, even if basic infantry would be be a "safer" bet, there's a certain wow factor there that might be enough to carry it.

The slide moulding is interesting. Superior moulding tech to what GW uses most of the time is very welcome.

Quite interested in plastic sci-fi infantry - despite what some might say, the market really isn't saturated at this point... the WGF and DFG sculpts suck, and while Mantic has good sculpts, they lack options, are expensive and the material could be better (£3/model and hybrid metal/restic for most of the new Enforcers).

So, there's still that gap in the market for affordable sci-fi infantry that has multiple parts, multiple weapon options, quality sculpts and hard plastic. No-one has really "hit the button" so far and actually made a product that fires on all barrels instead of screwing up something.
Sculpt quality, Posability, Options, Price, Material, Casting quality. If any one of those 6 bullets is a blank, then the product isn't quite what the market wants. GW fails on only one, price (which is why they are still the most popular option). The other companies fail on 2-4 of those points. Don't fail on any!

The key problem here is that none of those companies are actually run by artists... WGF is run by manufacturers, and Mantic/DFG are run by marketing men, which often leaves obvious errors in the quality of the product that get missed because they're focused on the business and bean-counting end (lets make hybrid metal/restic for our awesome new sculpts because plastic is too expensive and risk not selling.. that kind of thinking) and less on micro-managing the quality of the product... whereas with an artist leading a company, you get a much more picky "perfectionist" approach, every last little thing is thought through. Dropzone Commander is a good example of this sort of thing, one very hard-working man with an extremely focused approach.

I'm in.. good luck

I would suggest though a couple of high backing levels for special stuff. Like a $500 get a special character in the game named after you, or $1000 design-your-own leviathan that will be produced in the future, or something like that. And get a quote from a pro painter based on the resin model and offer a couple limited slots for a pro painted leviathan, even if it's just a tabletop standard. They seem like they're too high to most folks, but all it takes is a couple rabid fans

I'll agree! More pledges

People love to get their stuff painted


Though I do get the feeling once Infantry are unlocked then there might be infantry pledges....


I'll be waiting on infantry. I dont think I'll be sane enough to build one of these puppies...

oh and also I'd love to see a Mortis stretch goal even if you make it just a head and weapon swap kind of thing

scarletsquig wrote:So I'll have to spend $115 on a Leviathan...expensive international shipping + 33% customs fees as soon as the thing hits UK shores...

Still makes it cheaper than a FW kit. The $89 single Leviathan level would cost a UK customer aprox $150 USD with shipping and tax added, thats aprox 95 GBP. I call that absolutely great for what you would be getting.

I built one of the resin kits this is based on, and it was amazing. I really urge you to (and anyone else) to get in on this kit.

Yeah, a low bid for something tiny and random would have been good. As it is only people really into the idea of a titan will be purchasing at this price point. And since there are only so many of those people I'm not sure it's going to hit as high as it could if they'd started out with infantry and mechs. Or just the smaller version that could be used as dreadknights/contemptors.

Necros wrote:oh and also I'd love to see a Mortis stretch goal even if you make it just a head and weapon swap kind of thing

Maybe make at least the skull head an option or goal.

If I understand things right, this is nearly identical to the resin kit, just made of plastic instead. Maybe its possible that the resin Mortis head would fit the plastic Crusader kit...

Hulksmash wrote:Yeah, a low bid for something tiny and random would have been good. As it is only people really into the idea of a titan will be purchasing at this price point. And since there are only so many of those people I'm not sure it's going to hit as high as it could if they'd started out with infantry and mechs. Or just the smaller version that could be used as dreadknights/contemptors.

Very true. Assuming roughly 70% of the people jump on the first pledge, in order to hit the infantry goal there would be at least 629 people buying the first pledge


I do hope this doesnt end up the opposite of Relic Knights, great stretches but poor pledge selection. Similar to Redbox who had to reorganize and wrestle with the KS a bit till they hit what worked

I guess the big problem is tooling cost and risks

To tool an infantry kit in styrene will be at least $20,000 so it would still need a lot of backers

and if you then drop in the titan you still have the 'must get at
least $100,000 to fund it' problem.

That's still going to depend on folk who want a titan, not 'spare' change from an infantry kit,

so I think this IS the best approach, if they fund the titan, then the stretch to smaller kits is much easier,

Folk who can aford a titan are more likely to have extra cash to drop, and If they add a low level infantry only pledge it will attract new backers

My point wasn't just for the infantry or the titan. Honestly I'd have gone for what has the most appeal across the range of players they are depending on. Counts-as dreadknights, dreadnoughts, contemptors, and the new chaos dready thing have more functionality among the player base.

The fact also remains that their big "titan" is still 20% smaller than a warhound so it's not like getting a real titan, more of a knight, which is cool but does limit that group as well.

Granted if it even looks like they'll hit 60k I'll be in for 2 just because I think they are pretty cool but I'm holding off to see if it gets off the ground which I might not do if the units were something I could use more easily. Just my opinion though.

Mine's gonna be a counts-as warhound for my high-tech elite guard army that's gonna be the figs from sedition wars, and tanks based on the secret weapon mini's 3-wheeler tank

Some very interesting info on the kickstarter page. This will be produced by Wargames Factory. I also didn't know that WF is behind the Malifaux plastics.

I hope this goes well for Mark. He truely has a passion for this and I love that he did not give up after his initial setbacks with GW legal years ago.

^ For some reason counts-as Dreadknight hadn't occured to me, but yeah, this craps all over the official model, and the helm and shield on the model are perfect for fitting in with the rest of the models.

Can definitely see some grey knights players wanting 3 of these, I know I would if I collected that army.

If the $100k stretch gets hit for the dual assault cannons, then they'll work great as psyflemen too.

Hulksmash wrote:Granted if it even looks like they'll hit 60k I'll be in for 2 just because I think they are pretty cool but I'm holding off to see if it gets off the ground which I might not do if the units were something I could use more easily. Just my opinion though.

Huh? You are holding off pledging to see if it gets off the ground, as in funded successfully?

But if it doesn't get off the ground you don't get charged anything....why the wait....gah my brain broken.


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As for what SSquig said, yeah, the Helm is perfect for that.

@Vain

It's not just funded. It's funded up to the amount for the different back packs. I don't really care for the current back packs and they are the only thing on the model I'm not really a fan of. Although I'm not huge on the sword but that changes at 60k. Hence me holding off until it looks ilke it'll hit what I'd want from it. Because If I commit and it barely clears 30k then I'm in for two items that aren't as good as I'd like. See how that works?

As for counts-as dreadknights this intial model is way, way to big but when they get around to the 5.5" model it'll be perfect.

Necros wrote:Mine's gonna be a counts-as warhound for my high-tech elite guard army that's gonna be the figs from sedition wars, and tanks based on the secret weapon mini's 3-wheeler tank

Necros, you and I think alike! Provided the backpack stretch is reached I may just be in for one of these fellas.

I'm a bit disappointed in the higher end pledges... was planning on putting more than 300 dollars into this, but I'm kinda bummed that all that will get me is just 4 kits :( Was hoping for cool stuff like the previous kickstarter, like getting to name something in universe or something lol.

In any case, I'm figuring he'll need about 250-300 backers to fully fund the project, so its not out of the question by any means.

chaos0xomega wrote:I'm a bit disappointed in the higher end pledges... was planning on putting more than 300 dollars into this, but I'm kinda bummed that all that will get me is just 4 kits :( Was hoping for cool stuff like the previous kickstarter, like getting to name something in universe or something lol.

In any case, I'm figuring he'll need about 250-300 backers to fully fund the project, so its not out of the question by any means.

I hope I did not drain your wallet yet I have a lot of stretch rewards planned, infantry, heavy infantry, APC, tank, light walker, Mortis.... on and on.... but we need to clear the first hurdle.
One of the reasons I did not offer these in the basic pledge, is that the “pledge” boxes are locked once the project starts. That severely limits my freedom to add or change rewards.

I have a kit at Gencon right now, that is a potential of 30k viewers… time will tell what kind of impact this may have.

Kinda sad to see people holding off to see if the stretch goals are reached...that is likely to cause it to not get funded at all.

What should be considered is...if you watch his video on the KS page it tells what happens if the funding is not reached...no funding = no plastic, back to business as usual (expensive resin kits only). That would be truly sad to see.

@mad4minis

I'm all for supporting kickstarters. I've got a ton of money in Sedition Wars right now. But they offered something I wanted right off the bat. It's not a cheap additional purpose for something that won't see much use in the games I play (unlike the 5.5" one) so why should I put down on something that isn't going to be what I want? I can justify it if asthetically it meets something that's cool to me. But right now it's just not quite there for the limited use.

Considering how many mini "titan" kits he needs to sell to even fund I'm questionable we'll hit the levels I'd like. But it's starting off decent strong and GenCon will probably help. I'm definitely in if the 40k goal is reached. Without that I'm not putting money in for fear of getting something I don't really want.

And if it doesn't get funded and he goes back to resin and business as usual then thems the breaks. It means he didn't offer a product enough people were interested in. Happens in business all the time.

Mad4Minis wrote:Kinda sad to see people holding off to see if the stretch goals are reached...that is likely to cause it to not get funded at all.

What should be considered is...if you watch his video on the KS page it tells what happens if the funding is not reached...no funding = no plastic, back to business as usual (expensive resin kits only). That would be truly sad to see.

Well that is the conundrum isnt it though?


For the people "putting off", pledging money right now would just be charity

Sure you may say, they are getting a cool big robot

But what if they dont really like the robot and are waiting for the infantry or the other big robot they have? Or perhaps even if they liked the robot, they would much rather have the alternate sword and backpack. Say they do pledge now in hopes of reaching those goals, and it doenst quite make it. Well looks like they're gonna be stuck with a big model they may not have exactly wanted


I'm not saying "Oh no Dreamforge is a terrible company for limiting our options!", I know how terribly risky plastic can be. It is expensive and requires mass amounts of selling a product to make a decent profit. I do wish them the best of luck but unfortunately KS is a place for people to fund ideas they like and most of the time get a product they like in return. Not many people are willing to possibly shell out cash for a product they dont want

chaos0xomega wrote:I'm a bit disappointed in the higher end pledges... was planning on putting more than 300 dollars into this, but I'm kinda bummed that all that will get me is just 4 kits :( Was hoping for cool stuff like the previous kickstarter, like getting to name something in universe or something lol.

In any case, I'm figuring he'll need about 250-300 backers to fully fund the project, so its not out of the question by any means.

Ill agree, some of the stuff like your name in the book sells the small pledges, and getting to be a part of the fluff can sell the big ones...Im a little surprised to see neither in the offering.

Im really pulling for this to get off, even if it just skims by. With the proper advertising and distribution this kit (and its variants) could be huge sellers.

Judging by current pledges, it'll reach its goal within the space of 2-3 days.

I don't think not funding this is likely to be a concern, what I am interested in is if this is going to go far enough to release the Eisenkern faction with infantry and APCs and everything else in plastic, that's the real appeal that is on offer here.

Post-$80k will be where this thing really takes off, as the Dreamforge infantry are brilliant, and lots of people will want to buy ~100 of them in hard plastic.

COBRA!!!!!!


Shut up and take my money!!!

scarletsquig wrote:Judging by current pledges, it'll reach its goal within the space of 2-3 days.

Hmm yea $5k up already. 1/6 the way there

By the end of gen con I bet there will be a frenzy by those who saw the details

As a side question-

How is thier own game? Does anyone else play it, and how does it look as far as staying power?

These troops are Ace, if I say so myself, especially seeing those Sadukarr looking troops, that remind me of DUNE. Only thing missing is either a Sandworm, or a herd of dinosaurs.

I have never helped fund a kick starter so i have a question or two on how this works, And the model itself. If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away? or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens? As for the model itself. How well does it fit in the stand in titan size? Is it large enough for me to proxy it as a Wolfhound? Or is it only a bit larger then a dreadknight?

I'd be interested in the 'smaller' version of this one - and I'l admit to not knowing if this has already been discussed, so my apologies!

8" puts this squarely in Knight and/or Warhound territory.

I'd love to have one as a 'counts as' Dreadknight - is that size coming too?

In plastic (preferred!) or resin?

Alpharius wrote:I'd be interested in the 'smaller' version of this one - and I'l admit to not knowing if this has already been discussed, so my apologies!

8" puts this squarely in Knight and/or Warhound territory.

I'd love to have one as a 'counts as' Dreadknight - is that size coming too?

In plastic (preferred!) or resin?

they had that. It was limited and sold out lightning fast though.

Arrathon wrote:If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away?

They haven't made the model yet, so you'll have to wait a while.

or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

You only pay at the end; if they don't meet their goal, you don't pay anything.

As for the model itself. How well does it fit in the stand in titan size? Is it large enough for me to proxy it as a Wolfhound? Or is it only a bit larger then a dreadknight?

It's 8.5" tall: a bit over 20 cm. I'd expect that to be a lot bigger than a Dreadknight.

AlexHolker wrote:

or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

You only pay at the end; if they don't meet their goal, you don't pay anything.

Do note that as soon as you pledge, the money is set aside on whatever account you used. You cannot use that money.

If the Kickstarter is successful, Paypal or Amazon Payments will deduct the money from your account and send it over.

I would love to see then release the smaller crusader again, I can find many more uses for something at that scale!

@Alph

It's 2" shorter approximately than a Warhound so it's 80% as tall and looks to be significantly thinner from the photos. As for a dreadknight I think it would simply be to big. That's why I mentioned the 5.5" one would have been the optimal one to start with.

AlexHolker wrote:

Arrathon wrote:If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away?

They haven't made the model yet, so you'll have to wait a while.

It says that it should ship in October on the kickstarter, not too bad!

As I'm not aware of the size of any titan, I used this picture to figure out how big it is.
So close to twice as high as a dreadknight.

Absolutionis wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

You only pay at the end; if they don't meet their goal, you don't pay anything.

Do note that as soon as you pledge, the money is set aside on whatever account you used. You cannot use that money.

If the Kickstarter is successful, Paypal or Amazon Payments will deduct the money from your account and send it over.

incorrect, money is not set aside at least that hasn't been the case with the past four kickstarters I pledged. money is paid via Amazon on the last day on the last minute of the pledge drive.

I'm in at the $89.00 level right now but will be increasing that if funds allow closer to the end.

I'm not sure if I'll field it in the 40k universe or the war machine universe I think it would make an excellent titan or colossal

This looks great, but the kickstarter really needs to have at least one picture of the Leviathan standing next to either a 28mm figure or a silhouette of a 28mm figure. The measurements are present, but it means little unless you can see directly how big it is.

scarletsquig wrote:the Eisenkern faction with infantry and APCs and everything else .

I would really like to see some APC and Tank designs.

While I am a big fan of mecha, Im a huge treadhead.


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Eilif wrote:This looks great, but the kickstarter really needs to have at least one picture of the Leviathan standing next to either a 28mm figure or a silhouette of a 28mm figure. The measurements are present, but it means little unless you can see directly how big it is.

That is true.

For anyone who wants a comparison I have pics of the resin Crusader I built in my gallery, several of them have a AoBR SM for size comparison.


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Gamingdog wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

You only pay at the end; if they don't meet their goal, you don't pay anything.

Do note that as soon as you pledge, the money is set aside on whatever account you used. You cannot use that money.

If the Kickstarter is successful, Paypal or Amazon Payments will deduct the money from your account and send it over.

incorrect, money is not set aside at least that hasn't been the case with the past four kickstarters I pledged. money is paid via Amazon on the last day on the last minute of the pledge drive.

Gamingdog is correct, you will not be charged until the kickstarter closes. You can raise or lower your pledge as you see fit right until the last second. If the funding doesnt get met, you get charged nothing.


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Grot 6 wrote:As a side question-

How is thier own game? Does anyone else play it, and how does it look as far as staying power?

These troops are Ace, if I say so myself, especially seeing those Sadukarr looking troops, that remind me of DUNE. Only thing missing is either a Sandworm, or a herd of dinosaurs.

The rules are still in development/testing. The difficulties with the resin kits have kept Mark from devoting the proper amount of time to game development. The shift to plastic will free up a lot of his time, meaning more rules, fluff and new vehicles, Leviathans, troops, etc get designed.

Von Skyfury wrote:As I'm not aware of the size of any titan, I used this picture to figure out how big it is.
So close to twice as high as a dreadknight.

So..whoever owns all that...are they looking to adopt a old crabby man? because....wow. But jokes aside, I might just pitch in the 80'ish bucks or buy one when it comes out. I can it fitting my GK's as a Wolfhound stand in. I'll find a way to make wolfhound guns work on it...somehow.

Hulksmash wrote:@Alph

It's 2" shorter approximately than a Warhound so it's 80% as tall and looks to be significantly thinner from the photos. As for a dreadknight I think it would simply be to big. That's why I mentioned the 5.5" one would have been the optimal one to start with.

I would have been all over this if they were "Dreadknight" sized!

As it is, they are too big for me to realistically ever use on the table...

Still, I might be tempted at 'only' $89...

Either way, I wish him the best of luck and a very successful Kickstarter!

When Mark does eventually make the smaller version, it may need to be shorter than the 15mm 5.5" tall one that he had made, which is too big for most folks to use. But I love mine

Good to see this taking off, can't wait for the heavy infantry!

RiTides wrote:When Mark does eventually make the smaller version, it may need to be shorter than the 15mm 5.5" tall one that he had made, which is too big for most folks to use. But I love mine

Good to see this taking off, can't wait for the heavy infantry!

Good point - I guess I mean I want them to be 'DreadKnight' sized, whatever that actually is?

Does anyone have one they can measure?

Having the models myself I can tell you this:

The 8.5 inch Leviathan doesn't look as small as you'd think when placed next to an Armorcast Warhound. People aren't afraid those are out of scale, so this should work as a Warhound too.

The now OOP 5.5 inch leviathan is darn-near the same scale as the old Epicast Knight Paladin titan. (I actually have one of those too). It still towers over a Dreadknight however.

I believe Mark stated once that if the smaller Leviathans were to reappear that they would be slightly smaller. If that's the case they would look perfect as a Dreadknight if they were around 4.5 inches tall.



As a side note, I also have one of Mark's Gabreil Knights back from his old Dragon's Den days. Those are the same scale as an Armorcast Reaver without the carapace weapon.

Hello,
Personally I would like to see a option of the Mortis varient or the Crusader variant, this could come in handy for the wingman level pledge. I beleive it would bring in alot more pledges as well. Due to many playing Chaos, and Imperial, you may then also get multiple people on the same pledge tier as well.

Regards,
Carl

Ghiest1 wrote:Hello,
Personally I would like to see a option of the Mortis varient or the Crusader variant, this could come in handy for the wingman level pledge. I beleive it would bring in alot more pledges as well. Due to many playing Chaos, and Imperial, you may then also get multiple people on the same pledge tier as well.

Regards,
Carl

I would like to second this.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have a Mortis variant (at least a head!) I'd much rather have that then the alternate sword or vents or extra cannon arm.

And to those others who are worried this might not get as much funding due to "Kickstarter Fatigue," can't you back off of other Lickstarters that haven't ended yet? I've been tempted by others, but if I'd pledged for other stuff, I'd pull my money for this instead!

-C6

Just a tease.... This is one of the groups that will be in the Support Weapons Set.

Arrathon wrote:I have never helped fund a kick starter so i have a question or two on how this works, And the model itself. If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away? or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens? As for the model itself. How well does it fit in the stand in titan size? Is it large enough for me to proxy it as a Wolfhound? Or is it only a bit larger then a dreadknight?

What you are doing is helping fund a project. You start out with the basic, no mess sweetspot for what you want to pledge. If it is 10.00, that is going to get you whatever the tener gives you. If you go higher, in this case, say 80.00, you start there and everyone else will begin to get in on that action as well. As you see the project funding raise, then you go on and add in a couple of more $$$, and watch the fundings. As you see more and more of the project increases, you can either or not, add in more, compound into your pledge, and then as the projects "Add Ons" increase, you can continue to increase as well.

Most of the projects have a "Sweetspot" funding level when you can get high gain for your pledge, but make a note that the increases can substantially get higher then you expected, UNLESS YOU HAVE BUDGETED THE FUNDING BEFOREHAND.

I say that, because it is a good chance that you get caught up in the funding side of it and just keep dropping dimes into the till, as soon as its over, your over funded more then you expected, and then "The Next" shiny shows up and you end up with no scratch for that next one.

I would recommend- That you go in for 80, if your not already set for the higher amounts that you want. And then if you change your mind, let it ride and add in to your funding within the time limit.

I myself fund quite a few of these, so I have to budget it by the project, and I have a set limit of around 300 or so, depending- as a base number that I spend per project. I had a few that I overstepped myself in and questioned after the fact, but in ranging out the long term third and fourth order effects of the funding, you quickly can guage the success or failure of the personal effort to fund the project.

A lot of people see this as a way to get lickeys and chewies, and the new shinies. Me, I like seeing a well thought out project with effort and a good backing of alot of us here. ( We're kinda in this together to grow a hobby, sort of thing.) I was in on that Shadowrun game, until I guaged that there was more then enough effort backing the game, and then had to rethink my pledging when I had seen THIS project in the making.

Long story short, we're backing projects within the wargaming community, and these people will pretty much be people within our circle. WE KNOW THESE PEOPLE, if by reputation, and thier past efforts.

So with that, I would say, start with a plan, don't go deeper then you really want to, and in the end, if you are in on the project your good, but don't be married to it if it in the long run- it isn't really on your radar.

Because if we have seen over the past few months, there is no shortage of good gaming that is in need of funding.

How they deal with the funding is that you pledge the funds, they mark it down, and your going to go over to the Amazon page and they will track it in thereas a pledge. After they make mission on dates, they will take the funding( The total funding of the pledge through the whole project) out of your account( either amazon, or Paypal) Issues that KS have are that they take it out of an Amazon account, and after the fact, Paypal is in the discusion. In Indigogo, they take it right out of the account, right there after the pledge.( Indigogo is sucky, because they take the $$$ out right away, there is no increases as the project goes forward.You end up having to pledge even more, and theres a substantial increase in the action after the distribution of the funds, whereas with Paypal, they usually wait, and take it all out at the end of the project.( more messing with the credit card, means more fees later.)

Hope that helps.

Delicious AA guns!

I like the AA team even if 3 guys makes it seem a bit busy. As a sidenote this is almost 25% funded which isn't to bad for a first day. Here's to hoping it keeps plugging away.

Hulksmash wrote:I like the AA team even if 3 guys makes it seem a bit busy. As a sidenote this is almost 25% funded which isn't to bad for a first day. Here's to hoping it keeps plugging away.

Normally you would run this with two, the spotter is included because "in game terms" he helps your roll to spot targets, and it would cost more as a game troop choice to include him. But hell, it can be an unmanned sentry gun if that’s what you wanted to do

I love the AA gun! Three people seem to fit pretty well to me, and of course if you only want 2 then it is a free man for you!

Oh, what bases will you be using for the infantry? I know you are using the rounded bases atm but I never really liked them, any chance of the flat ones instead? It makes then so much easier to mix with other game systems.

Commander Cain wrote:I love the AA gun! Three people seem to fit pretty well to me, and of course if you only want 2 then it is a free man for you!

Oh, what bases will you be using for the infantry? I know you are using the rounded bases atm but I never really liked them, any chance of the flat ones instead? It makes then so much easier to mix with other game systems.

Sorry, the bases are already a done deal and in the tooling phase

cuda1179 wrote:I believe Mark stated once that if the smaller Leviathans were to reappear that they would be slightly smaller. If that's the case they would look perfect as a Dreadknight if they were around 4.5 inches tall.

I remember this, too, and hope it's true! I think that size would work a lot better than 5.5" for most folks.

Love the AA gun!

I am soooo turning one of these into a lord of battles.

A number of people have asked about Mortis variants, or head options (such as myself).

Could you address this question, Nose Goblin?

catharsix wrote:A number of people have asked about Mortis variants, or head options (such as myself).

Could you address this question, Nose Goblin?

Well, it is not an easy question to answer… I can take in the request and look at the costs but all that take a bit of time and confirmation from the manufacturer before I can commit. I do not have endless pockets so each new step needs to have some assurance that ti will be able to pay for its self.

I also need to consider where it is in the manufacturers queue, have they done the mold draft? Have I signed off on the final model if there are any changes? What will drive sales? What will be of more use to growing the Iron Core game (in the immediate future) What are the expected delays and turn around times? If this is something many people want but it will be three months before it sees the molds cut, then is it an effective tool for the kickstarter campaign?
And on and on…..

The advantage to resin is that it’s fast and comparatively cheap to turn on a dime… I cannot do that with this process. Everything must be weighed. A mistake or misjudgment can cost tens of thousands…. I cannot afford those kinds of mistakes.
Soooooo….. unfortunately, I do not have an answer for you right at this time but it is something that was already in discussion.

I personally would like to see weapon options. Either bought separately or as stretch goals.

While the stretch of the extra weapon is nice, I'm kind of underwhelmed at the stretch that just gives a pointed versus squared off sword. A totally different weapon would be more interesting- hopefully that comes with more stretch goals.

Mostly I want a different gun, because using the existing one as a Vulcan Mega-Bolter is ok for anti troop, but not really utilizing what a Knight can do. I wanna see a battle-cannon style weapon! Although either way the bottom of that gun is screaming for a nice banner to hang from it.

have to say I am suitably impressed after seeing the picture next to the Dreadnights.

Mark must hate me.

Every time he offers his products it happens to be the worst possible time for me. Right now were buying a house and can't put anything on the charge card. I have a big check coming but it's a week after this closes.

Whatever I did mark I'm Sorry.

I will find a way to get the $300 dollar pledge though. I already have the resin crusader, but he needs some friends......and infantry buddies......and sentry guns.......and left handed battling cannons......

AegisGrimm wrote:I personally would like to see weapon options. Either bought separately or as stretch goals.

While the stretch of the extra weapon is nice, I'm kind of underwhelmed at the stretch that just gives a pointed versus squared off sword. A totally different weapon would be more interesting- hopefully that comes with more stretch goals.

Mostly I want a different gun, because using the existing one as a Vulcan Mega-Bolter is ok for anti troop, but not really utilizing what a Knight can do. I wanna see a battle-cannon style weapon! Although either way the bottom of that gun is screaming for a nice banner to hang from it.

have to say I am suitably impressed after seeing the picture next to the Dreadnights.

I, myself, would like to see some more weapon options myself. The ones Mark currently has designed look wonderful. I totally understand the expense that plastic causes though. Perhaps there might be a happy medium here? Have the plastic Leviathan be a base, but release resin bits later on for those that want alternate weapons. When time, money, and ability all align, figure out which conversion parts are worthy of making into plastic.

cuda1179 wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:I personally would like to see weapon options. Either bought separately or as stretch goals.

While the stretch of the extra weapon is nice, I'm kind of underwhelmed at the stretch that just gives a pointed versus squared off sword. A totally different weapon would be more interesting- hopefully that comes with more stretch goals.

Mostly I want a different gun, because using the existing one as a Vulcan Mega-Bolter is ok for anti troop, but not really utilizing what a Knight can do. I wanna see a battle-cannon style weapon! Although either way the bottom of that gun is screaming for a nice banner to hang from it.

have to say I am suitably impressed after seeing the picture next to the Dreadnights.

I, myself, would like to see some more weapon options myself. The ones Mark currently has designed look wonderful. I totally understand the expense that plastic causes though. Perhaps there might be a happy medium here? Have the plastic Leviathan be a base, but release resin bits later on for those that want alternate weapons. When time, money, and ability all align, figure out which conversion parts are worthy of making into plastic.

THIS... The weapon upgrades and options will be made available as separate items. That is a foregone conclusion and is why I made the arms a simple twist on and off, to allow you options.

The plan as it is currently implemented is to release each Leviathan variant and at the same time, release the arms as optional purchases for whatever you would like to do. The main difference between the variants is often the head, shoulders feet and weapons. So you need to choose a core look that the variant supplies and then mod to your heart’s content. First variant up will be the Mortis, I just need to determine if I can do this in this Kickstarter or if it needs to follow soon after. It is all riding on the success level of this project. The funds generated go right to buying more tooling, and funding my extravagant lifestyle of Mac-n-cheese dinners

kenshin620 wrote:But what if they dont really like the robot and are waiting for the infantry or the other big robot they have?

No. Stop. I'm sorry, but that's just really faulty logic there.

Why would you pledge (READ: buy) a robot if you really didn't like the robot? That's absurd.

Approaching 10K on day 1... I know they often jump a bit at the beginning, but that's good work!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:But what if they dont really like the robot and are waiting for the infantry or the other big robot they have?

No. Stop. I'm sorry, but that's just really faulty logic there.

Why would you pledge (READ: buy) a robot if you really didn't like the robot? That's absurd.

Which was my point

There will be people sitting on this fence for a while until the thing they want is going to appear. Lets hope the basic leviathan can garner enough funds for those

People should buy mini titans because I SAY SO!
That should be enough.

Thank you, from your benevolent leader

Speaking of the 15mm ones... I am looking for a single set of the Capacitor Coolers for the 15mm size (this item). If another Dreamforge fan from this thread could help me out, I have lots of Dreamforge 15mm bits to trade (such as alternate arms) and, of course, Paypal. PM me please

AlexHolker wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:... I won't be getting the Leviathan due to GW putting the kibosh on the army where it might fit...

What did GW do to you exactly?

Charge $9.60 per model for Sisters of Battle. McVey's Vanguard or DFG's UAMC are not Gothic SF, so a forty foot tall robotic knight would look out of place.

I agree, yet I think it will fit in well with my Dark Angels. I am also using UAMC marines and modified Merkavas for my APCs and once I put it all on the table, it should pass muster.


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NoseGoblin wrote: The funds generated go right to buying more tooling, and funding my extravagant lifestyle of Mac-n-cheese dinners

Yeah, but you could buy really expensive ketchups to go with it... dijon ketchups.

Pledged! Hell. yes.

Arrathon wrote:I have never helped fund a kick starter so i have a question or two on how this works, And the model itself. If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away? or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

Just to add a bit here, Kickstarter is halfway between an investment and a preorder. They make no guarantee a project will happen (even if funded) or that supporters will get their products in a timely, or any, manner.

Who is responsible for fulfilling the promises of a project?

It is the responsibility of the project creator to fulfill the promises of their project. Kickstarter reviews projects to ensure they do not violate the Project Guidelines, however Kickstarter does not investigate a creator's ability to complete their project.

Creators are encouraged to share links to any websites that show work related to the project, or past projects. It's up to them to make the case for their project and their ability to complete it. Because projects are usually funded by the friends, fans, and communities around its creator, there are powerful social forces that keep creators accountable.

The web is an excellent resource for learning about someone’s prior experience. If someone has no demonstrable prior history of doing something like their project, or is unwilling to share information, backers should consider that when weighing a pledge. If something sounds too good to be true, it very well may be.

http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/backers#WhoIsRespForFulfThePromOfAProj

So it's up to supporters to do due diligence before pledging funds.



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NoseGoblin wrote:

catharsix wrote:A number of people have asked about Mortis variants, or head options (such as myself).

Could you address this question, Nose Goblin?

Well, it is not an easy question to answer… I can take in the request and look at the costs but all that take a bit of time and confirmation from the manufacturer before I can commit. I do not have endless pockets so each new step needs to have some assurance that ti will be able to pay for its self.

I also need to consider where it is in the manufacturers queue, have they done the mold draft? Have I signed off on the final model if there are any changes? What will drive sales? What will be of more use to growing the Iron Core game (in the immediate future) What are the expected delays and turn around times? If this is something many people want but it will be three months before it sees the molds cut, then is it an effective tool for the kickstarter campaign?
And on and on…..

The advantage to resin is that it’s fast and comparatively cheap to turn on a dime… I cannot do that with this process. Everything must be weighed. A mistake or misjudgment can cost tens of thousands…. I cannot afford those kinds of mistakes.
Soooooo….. unfortunately, I do not have an answer for you right at this time but it is something that was already in discussion.

Would you consider making runs of resin add-ons to the basic kit?

I know you mentioned the older resin weapons should be compatible but I think a lot of questions like this would be best answered by explaining how well the existing resin parts can be used with the new plastic one.

BTW I'm very excited, will be pledging.

I think Mark answered the arms question already, KK (see below), although now that I'm reading it again I'm not sure if he was talking about plastic-only arms, or resin add-ons... perhaps he just meant plastic.

NoseGoblin wrote:

cuda1179 wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:I personally would like to see weapon options. Either bought separately or as stretch goals.

While the stretch of the extra weapon is nice, I'm kind of underwhelmed at the stretch that just gives a pointed versus squared off sword. A totally different weapon would be more interesting- hopefully that comes with more stretch goals.

Mostly I want a different gun, because using the existing one as a Vulcan Mega-Bolter is ok for anti troop, but not really utilizing what a Knight can do. I wanna see a battle-cannon style weapon! Although either way the bottom of that gun is screaming for a nice banner to hang from it.

have to say I am suitably impressed after seeing the picture next to the Dreadnights.

I, myself, would like to see some more weapon options myself. The ones Mark currently has designed look wonderful. I totally understand the expense that plastic causes though. Perhaps there might be a happy medium here? Have the plastic Leviathan be a base, but release resin bits later on for those that want alternate weapons. When time, money, and ability all align, figure out which conversion parts are worthy of making into plastic.

THIS... The weapon upgrades and options will be made available as separate items. That is a foregone conclusion and is why I made the arms a simple twist on and off, to allow you options.

The plan as it is currently implemented is to release each Leviathan variant and at the same time, release the arms as optional purchases for whatever you would like to do. The main difference between the variants is often the head, shoulders feet and weapons. So you need to choose a core look that the variant supplies and then mod to your heart’s content. First variant up will be the Mortis, I just need to determine if I can do this in this Kickstarter or if it needs to follow soon after. It is all riding on the success level of this project. The funds generated go right to buying more tooling, and funding my extravagant lifestyle of Mac-n-cheese dinners

Looks like the pledge levels have changed to add in more troop options.

I approve.

I noticed that as well. Seems like a good idea, a few people have been asking for troops, and it lets people get in at lower $$ levels too.


Also of note, 33% at the end of the first 24 hours...pretty good.

NoseGoblin wrote:

catharsix wrote:A number of people have asked about Mortis variants, or head options (such as myself).

Could you address this question, Nose Goblin?

Well, it is not an easy question to answer…

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Soooooo….. unfortunately, I do not have an answer for you right at this time but it is something that was already in discussion.

Thanks Nose Goblin for addressing my question in detail. All of your points are well taken, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain. You must be kind of overwhelmed with all the positive reaction, as well as everyone and his brother screaming "I want this!" and "I want that!"

Frankly, even a $90 Crusader is a really awesome thing, so if it gets awesomer, that's just gravy. Glad I was able to move out some dust-collecting GW stuff and save a few extra Paypal pennies for the rainy day that your Kickstarter is turning out to be.

Thanks again!

-C6

(but if you could make that Mortis variant/head, then I guarantee I'll find SOME way to sneak another $100 or so past my wife! Just don't tell!)

NoseGoblin wrote:

catharsix wrote:A number of people have asked about Mortis variants, or head options (such as myself).

Could you address this question, Nose Goblin?

Well, it is not an easy question to answer… I can take in the request and look at the costs but all that take a bit of time and confirmation from the manufacturer before I can commit. I do not have endless pockets so each new step needs to have some assurance that ti will be able to pay for its self.

I also need to consider where it is in the manufacturers queue, have they done the mold draft? Have I signed off on the final model if there are any changes? What will drive sales? What will be of more use to growing the Iron Core game (in the immediate future) What are the expected delays and turn around times? If this is something many people want but it will be three months before it sees the molds cut, then is it an effective tool for the kickstarter campaign?
And on and on…..

The advantage to resin is that it’s fast and comparatively cheap to turn on a dime… I cannot do that with this process. Everything must be weighed. A mistake or misjudgment can cost tens of thousands…. I cannot afford those kinds of mistakes.
Soooooo….. unfortunately, I do not have an answer for you right at this time but it is something that was already in discussion.

For what it's worth, if I decide to go in, it'd probably be for one, maybe two if there's only the "knight helm" variant (I have 2 resin models). If the Mortis variant was also offered, I'd likely get two-three, and an outside chance of four. If both options were offered int he same kit, I'd definitely be in for 4. Basically, the more that's in the kit, the more I'll be encouraged to purchase. I only speak for myself, obviously, but there you go.

Also - the infantry that are listed right now - metal? plastic? resin? restic? hybrid? I can't seem to find that information listed on the KS page (probably worth adding that info there!)

Core Stormtrooper box set now available and a nice 1/2 box size as an entry level $20.00






Plastic, everything is injected styrene plastic, no resin, no restic, no soft plastic hybrid.... Good ole Arafix plastic

You need to have combined forces pledge levels. Suppose someone want's a platoon of infantry for their Leviathan to hide behind?

Oh, and.... PLEDGED!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Just to add a bit here, Kickstarter is halfway between an investment and a preorder. They make no guarantee a project will happen (even if funded) or that supporters will get their products in a timely, or any, manner.

I think this is worth remembering always.

Kickstarter gives you no "investors-shares" of a projects future profits for supporting a project early on, nor does it give you "customer-rights" in the way a regular pre-order of products would.

It's cool for what it is, funding by crowd-driven fan-hype, but it's should never by confused with either an investment or a purchase (even a pre-order).

Not to say anything bad about DreamForge. They have done previous Kickstarters, their reputation is spotless, their products top-notch. This particular Kickstarter is as safe as it gets.

But IF (at some other Kickstarter) you'd run into problems, you'd be largely on your own.

Just put in my pledge for the Wingman reward, looking forward to seeing this come through as I always regretted not jumping in on the resin Crusader. Should you expand into plastic arm options, I will most definitely be looking towards those as well.

I did notice however that the current pledges are for the 50K and 60K stretch goals, but you have multiple other stretch goals and no 50K stretch goal? Are these things that may be expanded upon in the coming days?

Very, very nice. I'm likely to jump in on the infantry at this point and maybe a big guy. But I'm definitely looking forward to the 4.5" one if that stretch is made. You'll see some more cash out of me then. My Iron Warriors could use some cool new daemon engines

Zweischneid wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Just to add a bit here, Kickstarter is halfway between an investment and a preorder. They make no guarantee a project will happen (even if funded) or that supporters will get their products in a timely, or any, manner.

I think this is worth remembering always.

Kickstarter gives you no "investors-shares" of a projects future profits for supporting a project early on, nor does it give you "customer-rights" in the way a regular pre-order of products would.

It's cool for what it is, funding by crowd-driven fan-hype, but it's should never by confused with either an investment or a purchase (even a pre-order).

Not to say anything bad about DreamForge. They have done previous Kickstarters, their reputation is spotless, their products top-notch. This particular Kickstarter is as safe as it gets.

But IF (at some other Kickstarter) you'd run into problems, you'd be largely on your own.

It is worth remembering that this is a donation. Period. The companies that have been doing them have offered something for your donation making it seem like an investment or a pre-order (even to me) but it is neither of those things. This seems to be causing quite a bit of issues with other KS campaigns, so I thought I'd throw it out there again.

Also, definitely gonna pledge now that the infantry are in.

~Eric

Oh thank you thank you thank you for the stormtroopers! I have a feeling that they will pull in many more supporters. Some nice low-level pledges should appeal to a much larger audience, especially when it is only $2 a miniature!

I wish you could get a mortis too :(

You think you will be able to do that NoseGoblin? Or have it unlocked at a certain goal :p

How much will the storm troopers and Crusader cost when they are released to retail?

Mark, are you sure you know how a kickstarter works? It's not supposed to be a shopping cart. You added infantry, but took them away from the stretchgoals. What happens if I want a leviathan AND infantry? Sorry, I'm not pledging twice. Just a suggestion, But I would go look at some of the other kickstarters like Zombiecide or Sedition Wars, those projects knew how to rake in the $$ by offering a base product and then adding onto them with extras.

Holding my pledge till this all gets sorted out.

kaiohx wrote: You added infantry, but took them away from the stretchgoals. .

From what I can tell the stretch goal was to UNLOCK them to order, not give them out to people who pledged for a leviathan



I know it is a bit risky to go in for those infantry, but I think it is going to pay off!

You also need to do updates for the people who have already pledged, such as telling us about the 15mm crusader stretch goal which incidentally I am looking forward to quite a bit!

kenshin620 wrote:
From what I can tell the stretch goal was to UNLOCK them to order, not give them out to people who pledged for a leviathan

Correct. They were originally a stretchgoal, now they aren't. Now, it is impossible to get infantry and a leviathan without two separate pledges, Why not just make the infanty an addon at X per box?

@kaiohx

Actually the pledge for the big guys specifically said you had access to the 50k & 60k (meaning 40k & 60k) stretches. Nothing said anything about free infantry being added on at 80k. I assumed that they would be a purchase unlock, similar to sedition wars extra characters or suits.

Either way I'm excited for the 4.5" model!

Ahhh I see what you are getting at!

There isnt an add on system yet. I thought there was

kaiohx wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:
From what I can tell the stretch goal was to UNLOCK them to order, not give them out to people who pledged for a leviathan

Correct. They were originally a stretchgoal, now they aren't. Now, it is impossible to get infantry and a leviathan without two separate pledges, Why not just make the infanty an addon at X per box?

Actually that is not completely correct.

It was late and I needed to go to bed, but I will add this into the project notes: To pledge for multiple rewards, simply add the totals together for all rewards you would like to participate in and increase your pledge. When the project ends, you will be sent a survey, simply list the reward levels and quantity you pledged for.

So basically how every kickstarter for miniatures has worked

kaiohx wrote:Mark, are you sure you know how a kickstarter works? It's not supposed to be a shopping cart. You added infantry, but took them away from the stretchgoals. What happens if I want a leviathan AND infantry? Sorry, I'm not pledging twice. Just a suggestion, But I would go look at some of the other kickstarters like Zombiecide or Sedition Wars, those projects knew how to rake in the $$ by offering a base product and then adding onto them with extras.

Holding my pledge till this all gets sorted out.

Combining into a package deal limits your options ans we offer other add-ons or step rewards to the project. I have found it better to simply have the customer make adjustments to their pledge based on what they wanted.

NoseGoblin wrote:
Actually that is not completely correct.

It was late and I needed to go to bed, but I will add this into the project notes: To pledge for multiple rewards, simply add the totals together for all rewards you would like to participate in and increase your pledge. When the project ends, you will be sent a survey, simply list the reward levels and quantity you pledged for.

Ahh I see now! Thanks for these clarifications. Really nice we can get this info asap

The figs look great, but I'm a bit concerned about the mix of weapons. The supplied arms keep you from being able to arm them them all the same way or quite in the standard proportion of a GW squad.

Clearly these are being intended for the in-development game system, but it seems like a golden opportunity is being missed here to add two more sets of rifle arms and really hit the cross-over market. I suspect there are also alot of non-GW players who would like the option of arming a higher proportion with standard rifles.

Also, the price is all right, being in between mantic restic corporation troopers and the lower price plastics from Defiance and WGF, but nothing like the special-early-deals that we have come to expect from kickstarter pledges.

Eilif wrote:

Clearly these are being intended for the in-development game system,

That is something that people need to remember. These may be able to be converted for use in 40k, but they were not designed for that purpose.

I actually give Mark lots of credit for sticking to his guns and keeping to his own game system, instead of doing the easy money grab and catering to the 40k crowd like many other companies have.

And $1.46 per model for plastic infantry is pretty damned impressive. Especially for multi-part plastics.

alright, I have a month to save up, the infantry are a no brainier I have the metal ones from a previous kickstarter and they are gorgeous so with two crusaders and 60 infantry I'll pledge $253

Ill be pledging in bout 600-800 by the end of the month, just 300 for now.

Mad4Minis wrote:
That is something that people need to remember. These may be able to be converted for use in 40k, but they were not designed for that purpose.

I actually give Mark lots of credit for sticking to his guns and keeping to his own game system, instead of doing the easy money grab and catering to the 40k crowd like many other companies have.

What about the smaller crowd of gamers who play games (games that already are available) like Tomorrow's War, Warpath, Warengine, etc who could really use just a bit more options in their troopers.

I give Mark credit for troopers that look exquisitely done and will probably be far better quality than most other plstic troopers. Also, having looked further down he pledge list, they are a great deal at the $88 option.

However, I give exactly no credit to the efforts of any company to try to purposely limit their minis to "just their game", especially when it would be so easy to make them more widely useful. I don't know Mark's reasoning, so I'm not saying that he is being intentionally limiting, but IMO, the miniatures hobby doesn't need more exclusivity, especially for a game that doesn't exist yet.

Look at Defiance as an example. Nothing about the troopers is GW'ish (different gear, much different weapons). They don't have as much variety in poses as the DreamForge troopers, and don't look to be as sharply scupted. However, they come with a variety of weapon options that makes them suitable both for Defiances own game, and virtually any other game.

Eilif wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:
That is something that people need to remember. These may be able to be converted for use in 40k, but they were not designed for that purpose.

I actually give Mark lots of credit for sticking to his guns and keeping to his own game system, instead of doing the easy money grab and catering to the 40k crowd like many other companies have.

What about the smaller crowd of gamers who play games (games that already are available) like Tomorrow's War, Warpath, Warengine, etc who could really use just a bit more options in their troopers.

I give Mark credit for troopers that look exquisitely done and will probably be far better quality than most other plstic troopers. Also, having looked further down he pledge list, they are a great deal at the $88 option.

However, I give exactly no credit to the efforts of any company to try to purposely limit their minis to "just their game", especially when it would be so easy to make them more widely useful. I don't know Mark's reasoning, so I'm not saying that he is being intentionally limiting, but IMO, the miniatures hobby doesn't need more exclusivity, especially for a game that doesn't exist yet.

Look at Defiance as an example. Nothing about the troopers is GW'ish (different gear, much different weapons). They don't have as much variety in poses as the DreamForge troopers, and don't look to be as sharply scupted. However, they come with a variety of weapon options that makes them suitable both for Defiances own game, and virtually any other game.

Might I suggest you pledge multiples of the $20.00 (10 man rifle squad set)... I think that will take care of what you’re after. I provided this option for a low cost entry and to take care of concerns such as yours. I'm looking out for you

If we hit some of the strech goals I can start adding a few things... A detail/accessory pack to pimp out your troopers (it will have additional rifles as well) But we need to start hitting thos stretch goals.

Eilif wrote:

However, I give exactly no credit to the efforts of any company to try to purposely limit their minis to "just their game", especially when it would be so easy to make them more widely useful. I don't know Mark's reasoning, so I'm not saying that he is being intentionally limiting, but IMO, the miniatures hobby doesn't need more exclusivity, especially for a game that doesn't exist yet.

Ill disagree a bit...I dont think every miniatures manufacturer should be required to have 40k compatibility built into their product. Maybe Im taking what your saying wrong, but thats how it came across to me...

Also should be noted that GW themselves limit the use of their miniatures to their games. They dont allow other manufacturers miniatures used in GW games, and they surely would turn thier nose up at the idea of GW minis being used with anything thats not GW rules. They are the ultimate example of what you are speaking out against other manufacturers doing.


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NoseGoblin wrote:
Might I suggest you pledge multiples of the $20.00 (10 man rifle squad set)... I think that will take care of what you’re after. I provided this option for a low cost entry and to take care of concerns such as yours. I'm looking out for you

If we hit some of the strech goals I can start adding a few things... A detail/accessory pack to pimp out your troopers (it will have additional rifles as well) But we need to start hitting thos stretch goals.

I would love to get in on some troopers, but dont think Ill be able to do it. Im already invested in another kickstarter besides this one, and Im making a long distance move in 4 weeks...but if I can come across a few extra bucks...

NoseGoblin: I have a question concerning the timeline. The pledge levels say you have a target date of October 2012. Does that mean you are literally 2 months away from actually making and shipping kits? Or starting production?

Mathieu Raymond wrote:NoseGoblin: I have a question concerning the timeline. The pledge levels say you have a target date of October 2012. Does that mean you are literally 2 months away from actually making and shipping kits? Or starting production?

Those are the dates they start shipping to you

WOW. If I could have made this font-size bigger, that emphatic "wow" would have been much bigger.

My god, a 4 1/2 inch model of the Crusader is gong to be in so many GW armies..............

I really want a Crusader- bad.....but after pledging for SedWars, I'm pretty tapped. But now that I see them....I'm very tempted to get a squad or two of the Stormtroopers to provide a human (non-strain) opponent to the Infantry in Sedition Wars when it shows up from the Kickstarter. They have the same plausible future hard-scifi look to them.

Here are a few widgets for anyone who would like to support the DreamForge-Games Kickstarter project. You don’t need to be a contributor to help out....

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/kickstarter-supporters-widgets.html


If you would like to make these click links; refer to this url http://dreamforge-games.com/kickstart

As an aside... why do I have to desire the products from two separate DFG... though I hear Defiance wants to be referred to themselves as DG, probably to avoid this confusion.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Eilif wrote:

However, I give exactly no credit to the efforts of any company to try to purposely limit their minis to "just their game", especially when it would be so easy to make them more widely useful. I don't know Mark's reasoning, so I'm not saying that he is being intentionally limiting, but IMO, the miniatures hobby doesn't need more exclusivity, especially for a game that doesn't exist yet.

Ill disagree a bit...I dont think every miniatures manufacturer should be required to have 40k compatibility built into their product. Maybe Im taking what your saying wrong, but thats how it came across to me...

Also should be noted that GW themselves limit the use of their miniatures to their games. They dont allow other manufacturers miniatures used in GW games, and they surely would turn thier nose up at the idea of GW minis being used with anything thats not GW rules. They are the ultimate example of what you are speaking out against other manufacturers doing...

I couldn't care less about GW compatibility. As you say, they are one of the chief pusher of the "our-minis-our-game" and anything that smacks of that rubs me the wrong way. From a sales perspective though, I think the more GW compatible a miniature set is, the more $ it will make for it's creator.

I care about general customization for any game system, which is why I think that in a box with 20 figs it makes sense to have more, rather than less options. That should also explain why I was a bit confused that there weren't more options in the trooper box. Having awesome looking troopers and plenty of leg options yet having arm sets whose only extra option is SMG's with or without grenade launchers seems a bit odd. I would have expected a 20 figure box to have enough weapons to arm all the troopers with SMG's or rifles, but that's just me...

Not trying to be overly harsh here. I'd love to see these do well, and if I wasn't tied into the Reaper kickstarter, I'd pick up the trooper box just to play around with and make some "Not-Sandtroopers". I just think it'd be an obvious choice to include enough options in a new figure line to give it as wide an appeal as possible.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:WOW. If I could have made this font-size bigger, that emphatic "wow" would have been much bigger.

Fixed it for you

While it won't be relevant for a while, would you mind saying how much inspiration the Eisenkern APC is going to draw from the Wehrmacht look?

That 80K Stretch goal is the one I'm hoping gets unlocked!

Go team go!

AlexHolker wrote:While it won't be relevant for a while, would you mind saying how much inspiration the Eisenkern APC is going to draw from the Wehrmacht look?

The basic shape will be quite recognizable but very updated and contemporary, a good fusion of past and future..... I hope to be able to offer this as a stretch reward....

NoseGoblin wrote:Here are a few widgets for anyone who would like to support the DreamForge-Games Kickstarter project. You don’t need to be a contributor to help out....

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/kickstarter-supporters-widgets.html

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When i pledge, I'll put one in my Dakka and Bartertown sigs - the more people we can get on board the better!

And BTW, Nose Goblin, I suggest that you should put a big shiny advertisement for this in YOUR sig. I wanted to go straight to the Kickstarter from a post by you, but had to click through several pages. You want to make it as fast as possible for someone to get to your KS page. I highly recommend putting a link in your sig with pretty pictures of all the shinies! (like the Crusader!)

Basically what you have made for us!

-C6

catharsix wrote:

NoseGoblin wrote:Here are a few widgets for anyone who would like to support the DreamForge-Games Kickstarter project. You don’t need to be a contributor to help out....

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/kickstarter-supporters-widgets.html

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When i pledge, I'll put one in my Dakka and Bartertown sigs - the more people we can get on board the better!

And BTW, Nose Goblin, I suggest that you should put a big shiny advertisement for this in YOUR sig. I wanted to go straight to the Kickstarter from a post by you, but had to click through several pages. You want to make it as fast as possible for someone to get to your KS page. I highly recommend putting a link in your sig with pretty pictures of all the shinies! (like the Crusader!)

Basically what you have made for us!
-C6

Haha why did I not think of that..... sign... too many late nights.

Commander Cain wrote:Oh thank you thank you thank you for the stormtroopers! I have a feeling that they will pull in many more supporters. Some nice low-level pledges should appeal to a much larger audience, especially when it is only $2 a miniature!

Damn right! Already there are a whole 3 supporters....mmm I really hope that is just coz people are asleep and not that lots of people here asked for them and now aren't following through.

To to be serious, I hope this lower buy-in does cut the mustard and we start seeing the money roll in. After all, close to 45% in two days is just way too slow!

Vain wrote:

Commander Cain wrote:Oh thank you thank you thank you for the stormtroopers! I have a feeling that they will pull in many more supporters. Some nice low-level pledges should appeal to a much larger audience, especially when it is only $2 a miniature!

Damn right! Already there are a whole 3 supporters....mmm I really hope that is just coz people are asleep and not that lots of people here asked for them and now aren't following through.

To to be serious, I hope this lower buy-in does cut the mustard and we start seeing the money roll in. After all, close to 45% in two days is just way too slow!

I am with you, I want to get to some of those step rewards....


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Anyone know how to post the code for the sig without it being active? I need to find a way for people to copy paste.... If not you can find the code on my blog. http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/kickstarter-supporters-widgets.html


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^ Use the "code" tags!

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They even come with a handy copy to clipboard button.

scarletsquig wrote:^ Use the "code" tags!

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They even come with a handy copy to clipboard button.

Ahhh thank you!

Eilif wrote:
I couldn't care less about GW compatibility. As you say, they are one of the chief pusher of the "our-minis-our-game" and anything that smacks of that rubs me the wrong way. From a sales perspective though, I think the more GW compatible a miniature set is, the more $ it will make for it's creator.

I care about general customization for any game system, which is why I think that in a box with 20 figs it makes sense to have more, rather than less options. That should also explain why I was a bit confused that there weren't more options in the trooper box. Having awesome looking troopers and plenty of leg options yet having arm sets whose only extra option is SMG's with or without grenade launchers seems a bit odd. I would have expected a 20 figure box to have enough weapons to arm all the troopers with SMG's or rifles, but that's just me...

Not trying to be overly harsh here. I'd love to see these do well, and if I wasn't tied into the Reaper kickstarter, I'd pick up the trooper box just to play around with and make some "Not-Sandtroopers". I just think it'd be an obvious choice to include enough options in a new figure line to give it as wide an appeal as possible.

I have to agree with Elif here. Sci-fi troopers (actually, any miniatures) in my collection are expected to participate in whatever game I plunk them down on the table for, and it'd be nice if these kits were a little more flexible to have all the options on the sprue in one box.

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Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Just to add a bit here, Kickstarter is halfway between an investment and a preorder. They make no guarantee a project will happen (even if funded) or that supporters will get their products in a timely, or any, manner.

I think this is worth remembering always.

Kickstarter gives you no "investors-shares" of a projects future profits for supporting a project early on, nor does it give you "customer-rights" in the way a regular pre-order of products would.

It's cool for what it is, funding by crowd-driven fan-hype, but it's should never by confused with either an investment or a purchase (even a pre-order).

Not to say anything bad about DreamForge. They have done previous Kickstarters, their reputation is spotless, their products top-notch. This particular Kickstarter is as safe as it gets.

But IF (at some other Kickstarter) you'd run into problems, you'd be largely on your own.

Thank you for the confidence and for your awsome page! http://blog.pinsofwar.net/dreamforge-kickstarter/

I've put down $20. I'd put in more, but I just have no use for more. Still, excited for this project, and hope that it's incredibly successful.

100th backer. I wanted one of these in resin, but 350 was a bit too steep for my wallet. Might even up it to two Crusaders, one to leave unmolested, the other to convert into a Khorne worshipping superheavy.

Thank you for the support!

Speaking of support, here is the Eisenkern Support Weapons Set.

those are awesome, my only complaint is the bullet shields need a little jazzing up

You've got my support.

And I'm in. First kickstarter and first No-GW mini (hopefully). Good luck mate!

Those heavy weapons are stunning!

The three man teams with gunner, loader and spotter also seem very realistic, though I'm not enough of a military buff to be able to speak authoritatively.

NoseGoblin wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:While it won't be relevant for a while, would you mind saying how much inspiration the Eisenkern APC is going to draw from the Wehrmacht look?

The basic shape will be quite recognizable but very updated and contemporary, a good fusion of past and future..... I hope to be able to offer this as a stretch reward....

Thanks for the reply. If you're referring to features like sloped sides and V-hulls that are common to both the iconic Sd.Kfz. 251 and modern mine-resistant vehicles, chances are good that it won't look out of place carrying other forces.

NoseGoblin wrote:Speaking of support, here is the Eisenkern Support Weapons Set.

Do you think the weapons themselves will be on the same sprue as the crew?

Considering there are still 28 days left as of this posting and the kickstarter is already halfway to it's goal, I'm glad I have supported this and look forward to seeing my own Leviathan in the mail.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
Considering there are still 28 days left as of this posting and the kickstarter is already halfway to it's goal, I'm glad I have supported this and look forward to seeing my own Leviathan in the mail.

It is a good start, but most kickstarters have big jumps on the first days. The question is will it hold out to the end or not. Im pulling for it hard, not just because this is a very cool project, but because it will open the door for many more.

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 CrashCanuck wrote:
Considering there are still 28 days left as of this posting and the kickstarter is already halfway to it's goal, I'm glad I have supported this and look forward to seeing my own Leviathan in the mail.

It is a good start, but most kickstarters have big jumps on the first days. The question is will it hold out to the end or not. Im pulling for it hard, not just because this is a very cool project, but because it will open the door for many more.

It opened alongside GenCon, obviously that was intentional but I don't think you can assess that initial bump until at least next tuesday given the timing.
It also has recieved over half of it's goal pledges in two days, and is probably the most niche of the "Kickstarters Dakka is excited about" that we've seen. I think it's doing just fine.

Yeah it'll get funded, though i suspect a lot of people are really hoping for the 80k stretch goal to be reached. I know i am.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 CrashCanuck wrote:
Considering there are still 28 days left as of this posting and the kickstarter is already halfway to it's goal, I'm glad I have supported this and look forward to seeing my own Leviathan in the mail.

It is a good start, but most kickstarters have big jumps on the first days. The question is will it hold out to the end or not. Im pulling for it hard, not just because this is a very cool project, but because it will open the door for many more.

It opened alongside GenCon, obviously that was intentional but I don't think you can assess that initial bump until at least next tuesday given the timing.
It also has recieved over half of it's goal pledges in two days, and is probably the most niche of the "Kickstarters Dakka is excited about" that we've seen. I think it's doing just fine.

Im anticipating a good bump or two after a couple weeks, once people get a paycheck or two to recover from Gencon and the last couple big kickstarters.

I really like these models. Is this a game with rules, or are they just models that can be adapted?

Any thoughts on a 40K//Apocalypse application?

Paul

jason2250 wrote:
I really like these models. Is this a game with rules, or are they just models that can be adapted?

Any thoughts on a 40K//Apocalypse application?

Paul

There is a game in the works, but the difficulties with the resin products have hurt its development. Once the models have started the move to plastic there will be more development of the game rules, fluff, etc.

As far as 40k goes...the 28mm Crusader (main subject of the kickstarter) is closest to a Warhound in size, being only a little bit shorter. Its too big to be a Knight or Dreadknight. If/when the 15mm Crusader gets done it will be perfect size for a Dreadknight or even Contemptor.


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Sigmundr wrote:
100th backer. I wanted one of these in resin, but 350 was a bit too steep for my wallet. Might even up it to two Crusaders, one to leave unmolested, the other to convert into a Khorne worshipping superheavy.

In thinking of some heavy conversions for one of mine as well. Starting with either an axe or wrecking ball in place of the sword.

Yeah, the group I play with likes to throw random apoc battles, or use superheavies in a normal 40k game (usually both sides have one, or a 25% point handicap). I'm thinking the Lord of battles, modifying that datasheet a bit. Mostly making it a superheavy walker, and changing the d6 roll chart to be 6th edition compatible.

Just pledged. My gaming group was stoked about it and we went for the 300$ pledge!

If the Heavy Infantry come up, will grab some more of that (along with the gaming group) but at the moment it seems that I am the only one dipping the toe in for this kickstarter from my group.

 Makaleth wrote:
If the Heavy Infantry come up, will grab some more of that (along with the gaming group) but at the moment it seems that I am the only one dipping the toe in for this kickstarter from my group.

Remind them that even the $89 level is less than regular retail will be later on...this is the best time to get in on it.

Yes, and compared to other manufacturers, this is a steal.

So, NoseGoblin, how was/is GenCon? Are you surviving the onslaught? Was there a lot of positive noise over the project?


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Also, it's interesting that the pledges at higher levels include the opportunity to weigh in on the Iron Core gaming system, as well as a copy of the rules. Since it seems to be more vehicle-oriented with infantry support, this could fit my style of play very nicely... and maybe ween some of my group off the GW fetish.

I understand, they have kids, and big jobs, but there is so much gaming out there to be experienced...

I'm in...pledged, and will be checking everyday.

Best of luck, Mark - personally, I'd love to see the $100K twin gatling cannon level reached. That would look fantastic on a display model!

Padre^.

Past the 50% mark, 27/28 days to go...

I'll be honest, the one stretch goal I am looking forward to is the $40,000 one. The Capacitor coolers simply make the Leviathan look a little more sleek, plus it would fit in with my Gabriel Knight.

The Sword is nice, and the gun arm is awesome, but those capacitor coolers just change the feel of the model for me.

I agree cuda,
Will be using them on all of my ones that I make from now on.

Also MUCH easier to store (as the extra height is from the stacks is annoying in foam)

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'll be honest, the one stretch goal I am looking forward to is the $40,000 one. The Capacitor coolers simply make the Leviathan look a little more sleek, plus it would fit in with my Gabriel Knight.

The Sword is nice, and the gun arm is awesome, but those capacitor coolers just change the feel of the model for me.

Agree as well - they make it much more pleasing on the eye.

A Gabriel? Lucky you!

I'm extremely interested in the $80,000 stretch goal for the 15mm scale Leviathan. If the Kickstarter hits that amount is there any chance of adding those as a separate level like the Eisenkern Troopers. I'd buy three instantly to use as Dreadknights and I've got a feeling that quite a few other people would as well!

I'm suprised that so few pledges have come in for the troopers, considering the number of folk initially saying,

'why start with the not-titan, we want SF troopers...'

or is it another case of 'the internet' making assumptions for everybody else?

maybe there like me. I'm very interested in the infantry. but I pledging for them through the titans by increasing the pledge amount to include both.

Or waiting for the non regular troopers.

fair points guys

I'm just hoping this goes well (despite being KSed out to the point of affording neither Titan or troops..yet)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
fair points guys
I'm just hoping this goes well (despite being KSed out to the point of affording neither Titan or troops..yet)

Exactly why I'm down for only $1 at the moment.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
or is it another case of 'the internet' making assumptions for everybody else?

well, some injection-molded SF troops are nice, but we've seen that before.
something the size of that leviathan has much more wow-factor. It'll put dreamforge on the map a lot more noticeable than those SF troopers would.

Oh I agree the Leviathans are much better eye candy, and somehting of this scale not in resin is great

what I was commenting on was the apparent number of folk here and elsewhere asking for an 'afordable' entry point with troops (although as others above had pointed out, maybe not the troops DF have listed at present, LOL)

I think what could be a winner more than SF troopers or cool leviathans, are game rules.

If the Iron Core system really allows me to use my leviathan(s) and other vehicles without plunking down loads of infantry, that could make it really fun.

Personally, it would remind me of Battletech, but with a much more interesting scale, vehicles would be powered-up to be a threat to the mechs and I'd be a happy puppy.


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So remember, included in the pledges are invitations to help shape the game system, and some of the GW haters should focus on that. This is a golden opportunity to do something positive, rather than just moan.

If the trooper box is $40 on Kickstarter, how much will it be in retail? I really wonder how successful a $50 infantry box could possibly be when it has the words "Wargames Factory" on it somewhere...

Here's to hoping they look dramatically better than the greatcoats. And 50$ for 20 pairs of boots, with all the options like AT and SMGs isn't too far off the mark of G-dub.

My only nagging reservation is what will happen if we reach the 30K level, but not much more. Mark mentioned that the molds were going to cost him at least 100K, so what happens between then and there?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Here's to hoping they look dramatically better than the greatcoats. And 50$ for 20 pairs of boots, with all the options like AT and SMGs isn't too far off the mark of G-dub.

My only nagging reservation is what will happen if we reach the 30K level, but not much more. Mark mentioned that the molds were going to cost him at least 100K, so what happens between then and there?

He's posted that he has alternative funding in hand to handle the difference, BUT my guess is if he needs to use it the risk is pretty high (especially as he may have committed to expensive moulds of troopers etc),

but hopefully he's done his sums right (or the KS does well enough that it does not matter)

I'd rather it comes to the second option too. Once the word spreads, I can see this campaign reaching the 100K mark, especially at the pledge levels this offers.

*stomp, stomp, stomp!*

 Padre wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'll be honest, the one stretch goal I am looking forward to is the $40,000 one. The Capacitor coolers simply make the Leviathan look a little more sleek, plus it would fit in with my Gabriel Knight.

The Sword is nice, and the gun arm is awesome, but those capacitor coolers just change the feel of the model for me.

Agree as well - they make it much more pleasing on the eye.

A Gabriel? Lucky you!

Ill agree as well. Id also love to see the smaller Crusader level get hit too. However, Ill be plenty happy with anything past 30k funding. Im going to try to kick in a little bit more towards the end, only question will be for troops or mini-Crusader.

Ill also be looking forward to all the cool stuff this will kick off. Not only would I love some of the other Leviathan variants, but Id like to see some heavy tanks get designed too.


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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:


Personally, it would remind me of Battletech, but with a much more interesting scale, vehicles would be powered-up to be a threat to the mechs and I'd be a happy puppy.

Hmmm a Battletech-ish game played in 28mm scale...Maybe throw in some tanks for fun too. Leviathans, Baneblades, some cool scale model tank conversions...maybe some aircraft. Play it in a public park, or someones house with a big lawn. All weapon ranges measured in feet, or even meters. Epic.

Probably less a stretch goal than some limited "high-end" pledges, but you might want to consider getting in touch with some quality painters and promise a select few high-end people a painted-up Crusader for a "luxury pledge".

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Here's to hoping they look dramatically better than the greatcoats. And 50$ for 20 pairs of boots, with all the options like AT and SMGs isn't too far off the mark of G-dub.

Well that's good to hear. No one could ever complain about GW's prices.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Probably less a stretch goal than some limited "high-end" pledges, but you might want to consider getting in touch with some quality painters and promise a select few high-end people a painted-up Crusader for a "luxury pledge".

A very good idea! Seems to have been successful for others.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Probably less a stretch goal than some limited "high-end" pledges, but you might want to consider getting in touch with some quality painters and promise a select few high-end people a painted-up Crusader for a "luxury pledge".

I would love to see what some of these commission painters could do with a Crusader, nothing short of amazing Im sure.


Also...67%...go baby go.

Oh please, please let them come out with the 15mm bits in plastic. This is on the table yes? Please let this be on the table. I have a 15mm crusader who wants his capacitor coolers.

Yeah baby! Over the 2/3 mark in three days! One of my gaming group friend had me pledge more for the 60 pairs of boots on top of the crusader. If they hit the 50K stretch goal, I might invest in a 20-man box as well.

As for Battletech outside... with the crazy weather I've seen this year, those minis had better be heavily weatherized.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yeah baby! Over the 2/3 mark in three days! One of my gaming group friend had me pledge more for the 60 pairs of boots on top of the crusader. If they hit the 50K stretch goal, I might invest in a 20-man box as well.

As for Battletech outside... with the crazy weather I've seen this year, those minis had better be heavily weatherized.

Hey, war doesnt wait for nice weather. Leviathans hip deep in snow would be just like Hoth...

Target the main power generator, maximum firepower.

Excellent work, and I will get my pledge in as soon as I figure out other financial stuffs (you would pick the ONE timeframe in the past few years that includes a vacation... ). I was very pleased by the other KickStarter, and look forward to the results of this one.

Would it be possible to get another "flyer" image like the one in the initial post that includes the stormtrooper options? As many have said here I can see that being a good hook if I were to be able to post something at the FLGS since I don't know what the market would be for large models like the Crusader.

Fell back and bounced back a bit. Still just over 66%. Here's hoping it picks up. I wanna see that 4.5" mini!

Lots of days left yet!

I just got off a very long call with the manufacturer...... I have some great news. The Leviathan Motis will be an option for a stretch goal !

I have a lot of things to add and some renders to work up but you will see it added today. VERY exciting!

Great news! Lets hope we get there!

Great news, Mortis is what I really want You may see some slow down in backers in the middle of the campaign but don't panic, it always happens. I'm sure it will get to 30k pretty soon and keep climbing, and then a huge surge at the very end

 Necros wrote:
Great news, Mortis is what I really want You may see some slow down in backers in the middle of the campaign but don't panic, it always happens. I'm sure it will get to 30k pretty soon and keep climbing, and then a huge surge at the very end

I hope so, looks like it dropped several hundred $$s today...was over 20k, now high 19s.

Backer number hasn't changed though. Might be some people making money available for things that are ending sooner. Oh well, fingers crossed it goes off for the smaller ones. They'd be great Iron Warrior add-ons.

If Reaper can get it into the 1G mark, I'm sure a nice kit like this one can reach the 100K mark.

Although it looks incredibly good, I'm not quite sure I buy into the design philosophy of something like the Mortis. As an example, Battletech had the Axeman, which at 65 tons was just enough for a one hit one kill attack if you got lucky on the dice. I had the hardest time keeping it alive long enough to reach CC though.

Mortis option is good; might bring in more backers! But for my part; I'll stay with the vanilia with the upgraded "backpack" and "sword".

However; I realy realy realy hope the Eisenkern Heavy troopers will join in in the end as stretchgoals so I can ad them to my pledge and get a REALY nice plastic footslugger kit!

I notice the Mortis is now a 90K stretch goal.

Mark, I know you said this was a possibility, and you've had a conversation with your manufacturer... isn't a Mortis quite a bit more work than a second one of those gatling guns?

Don't forget to, you know, sleep, with all of this going on.

Hello guys, I'd too like to pledge for a couple of Leviathan and a few dozen Eisenkern Stormtroopers (I expecially hope the pledge reaches the 50k stretch...), but, unfortunately, I seem to lack a credit card... Do any of you venerable sirs know if it's possible to pledge on a debit card? I'd really, really like to, if possible...

I dont have a credit card, and have pledged for multiple kickstarters with my debit card. As long as amazon accepts your type of debit card it should be golden.

LastCameTheRaven wrote:
Hello guys, I'd too like to pledge for a couple of Leviathan and a few dozen Eisenkern Stormtroopers (I expecially hope the pledge reaches the 50k stretch...), but, unfortunately, I seem to lack a credit card... Do any of you venerable sirs know if it's possible to pledge on a debit card? I'd really, really like to, if possible...

It should work exactly like a credit card.

I just got off a very long call with the manufacturer...... I have some great news. The Leviathan Motis will be an option for a stretch goal !

I have a lot of things to add and some renders to work up but you will see it added today. VERY exciting!

OOOOH....A Chaos Knight....

Although i have to admit as I would use it for 40K I would love a Crusader, with the normal chain-cannon but with the Mortis power claw instead of the sword.

Ok so, I'm confused.

At 50k we unlock the support weapons to pledge more money to, but no bonus is actually added to existing pledges.

At 80k we unlock the 15mm crusader, I assume to pledge money to as well. Nothing actually gained by existing pledges.

At 90k we unlock the mortis...to pledge in addition to the crusader? Or do we get the conversion pieces needed to turn our crusader into one? Still nothing gained.

Maybe I've missed the point or become jaded from all the crazy free stretch goal stuff Zombicide, Sedition Wars, Avatars of War, and other kickstarters offered from theirs, but it still seems like there's not a whole lot of incentive to pledge beyond getting a cheaper Leviathan. Really the only "extra's" backers get so far are the backpack and a sword that looks almost identical to the one it comes with. Oh and the way far away 100k extra cannon.

I talked with Wargames Forge at GenCon and they were very interested to know what was going on with this, but also stated that they didn't have any control over the actual details of the kickstarter. The model looked awesome, but like I said, beyond the 30k-40k mark, there is no real incentive for anyone, which is a shame because I've always loved Mark's models and had hoped there would eventually be a KS to get Iron-Core going strong.

As others have stated there should have been smaller and larger pledges as well. $1 gets you a thank you email or something. $1000 gets you a painted Crusader. At $2500 Mark brings you in and shows you how he develops and casts the models for a day. Something. As it is right now, its just a bunch of wishful pre-order items.

I'd also like a bit of clarification for the new stretch goals as to what I'd get if I say, pledge 300 and it hits the stretch goals...

Yeah, the one down side to this kickstarter is that the stretch goals are a bit wonky. Little in the way of rewards (backpack is nice and so is the sword but that's about all that's out there) and a bit of a mix.

Still glad I put in for a crusader but I think the stretch goals could be worked on a bit.

Here is a freebie.
http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/stormtrooper-accessory-pack.html

well i'm sold, I'm in for the biggest batch of infantry too, maybe more later, are the heavy weapon or CC infantry planned for the immediate future?

Why are we only getting 4 drum magazines per box if we get like 16 mg42's? :(

I'd love to see a size comparaison with minis from other compagnies such as GW and Infinity.

Thanks Nosegoblin. That'll teach me to type something before checking the site.

I'm not complaining because I feel I'm getting an excellent value for what I've already pledged.

 Von Skyfury wrote:
I'd love to see a size comparaison with minis from other compagnies such as GW and Infinity.

$90 for a baddass Warhound shipped? Yes, please!

Thanks !
Now how big are these other minis compared to a GW guardsman or space marine ? =P

 Von Skyfury wrote:
Thanks !
Now how big are these other minis compared to a GW guardsman or space marine ? =P

There are some pics around I just can't find atm, they are a bit thinner and slightly taller than a SM iirc

 Grundz wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:
Thanks !
Now how big are these other minis compared to a GW guardsman or space marine ? =P

There are some pics around I just can't find atm, they are a bit thinner and slightly taller than a SM iirc

Thanks for the info !

Mathieu Raymond wrote:I notice the Mortis is now a 90K stretch goal.

Mark, I know you said this was a possibility, and you've had a conversation with your manufacturer... isn't a Mortis quite a bit more work than a second one of those gatling guns?

Don't forget to, you know, sleep, with all of this going on.

It is a bit of kit, but the files are allready at the manufacuter and the mold draft angles are allready in process, so time wise it is about the same.

kaiohx wrote:Ok so, I'm confused.

At 50k we unlock the support weapons to pledge more money to, but no bonus is actually added to existing pledges.

At 80k we unlock the 15mm crusader, I assume to pledge money to as well. Nothing actually gained by existing pledges.

At 90k we unlock the mortis...to pledge in addition to the crusader? Or do we get the conversion pieces needed to turn our crusader into one? Still nothing gained.

Maybe I've missed the point or become jaded from all the crazy free stretch goal stuff Zombicide, Sedition Wars, Avatars of War, and other kickstarters offered from theirs, but it still seems like there's not a whole lot of incentive to pledge beyond getting a cheaper Leviathan. Really the only "extra's" backers get so far are the backpack and a sword that looks almost identical to the one it comes with. Oh and the way far away 100k extra cannon.

I talked with Wargames Forge at GenCon and they were very interested to know what was going on with this, but also stated that they didn't have any control over the actual details of the kickstarter. The model looked awesome, but like I said, beyond the 30k-40k mark, there is no real incentive for anyone, which is a shame because I've always loved Mark's models and had hoped there would eventually be a KS to get Iron-Core going strong.

As others have stated there should have been smaller and larger pledges as well. $1 gets you a thank you email or something. $1000 gets you a painted Crusader. At $2500 Mark brings you in and shows you how he develops and casts the models for a day. Something. As it is right now, its just a bunch of wishful pre-order items.

Thats a question that will require a rather lengthy answer.... I will try to address that at the end of this post.

Nuwisha wrote:I'd also like a bit of clarification for the new stretch goals as to what I'd get if I say, pledge 300 and it hits the stretch goals...

Depends on which stretch goals we hit and if you are only going for the Leviathans. If this is the case then at 40k you get free Capacitor Coolers, at 60k a sword swap at 100k a free left hand Vulkan.

agnosto wrote:Yeah, the one down side to this kickstarter is that the stretch goals are a bit wonky. Little in the way of rewards (backpack is nice and so is the sword but that's about all that's out there) and a bit of a mix.

Still glad I put in for a crusader but I think the stretch goals could be worked on a bit.

Let’s see if I can go over the rewards and the stretch goals and why they are what they are. If you are looking for a ton of free items, you may find the project rather sparse. The simple fact is that the molds need to be paid for. That is the core goal for this Kickstarter. I cannot offer anything that cannot be paid for and I refuse to make promises to my backers that I cannot deliver on.

Each stretch goal and reward is carefully planned not only at what level it will appear but also where the steps in backing fall on the total dollars needed to fund that reward and the time it will take to deliver the reward (how much time I am using from the production queue of the manufacturer) I would dearly love to give more freebies to all of you but I have reached the limit of my available backing to deliver the items promised. If we start hitting higher total pledge amounts through more backers then I will start to have a little more wiggle room. As it is currently the stretch goals up to $100k have used every last bit of available credit my company has.

It’s the old dilemma the chicken or the egg. I need more backers, but I cannot offer more freebies until I have more backers .
Thank you all for the questions and your support!

The goals are looking better, but until some of them are unlocked this will still go slow.

Sad, I really want a Mortis in plastic NOW!


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Thanks NoseGoblin,

Totally understand the limitations of the company, I think people are just spoilt at the moment with KS choice.

If this came 6 months ago... it might have been a different story