Apparently 200 people haven't, which is about 1 in 4 of the backers!

UPDATE!

For customers that missed the Kickstarter or were unable to pledges due to the credit card restrictions of Amazon Payments, we are opening up the pledge manager to accept new backers.

You can find the pledge manager here: https://www.wargamesfactory.net/

We are accepting two payment formats, each has specific instructions below. Please note: The pledge manager will not be available after November 1st.

We are opening up the Kickstarter pledge manager to new customers.
For customers that missed the Kickstarter or were unable to pledges due to the credit card restrictions of Amazon Payments, we are opening up the pledge manager to accept new backers.
You can find the pledge manager here: https://www.wargamesfactory.net/
We are accepting two payment formats, each has specific instructions below. Please note: The pledge manager will not be available after November 1st.

-Please be aware-
If you were a backer of the original Kickstarter DO NOT USE THIS! Your account will not show the amount that you have already paid and you will end up double paying. If you have not received the email, please contact dfg@wargamesfactory.com and ask them to re-send.


For new backers that will be paying via credit card:
1) Follow this link https://www.wargamesfactory.net/
2) In the upper right corner, use the link “Create new account”
3) Fill in the pledge with the items you wish to receive and finalize your payment with your credit card

For new backers that wish to pay via PayPal:
1) Follow this link https://www.wargamesfactory.net/
2) In the upper right corner, use the link “Create new account”
3) Fill in the pledge with the items you wish to receive to get your PayPal total DO NOT SEND
4) Pay the total for the items you wish to receive via PayPal. Send payment to : admin@wargamesfactory.net
5) Wargames factory will set up your account with the total amount paid.
6) Log back into your pledge manager account and finalize your order.

If you have any questions regarding the use of the pledge manager or payments please contact dfg@wargamesfactory.com

All the best!
Mark Mondragon
DreamForge-Games

New account created and just waiting on the email.

I was just wishing last night I had paid more attention to this KS when I saw the APC! Any dimensions out for that monster?

I'm going to be building a mechanized IG vet army around that APC But gonna just wait till it's finished since at this rate it'll take me about 18 years to finish painting the troops.

I'm sure this is already addressed, so I apologize for being unable to find the answer, but will the 15mm Leviathans/Mortis-s be available for ordinary purchase in the future? Or should I bite the bullet and buy one now, if the possibility of them being available down the road is slight? I really want one, but am pretty tight on funds right now...

Much obliged if anyone can help on this question!

-C6

Cathar they'll be around in the future, be silly to make high quality molds for them then not have them!

I serously doubt this will be a once-only run. This isn't Dreadfleet, after all.

Got my pledge in! Wow, November is right around the corner!

I wonder where the first stage of items is in the production phase. To ship out to us in November, they'll need to be on a boat for the US soon.

It might slip to early December... as long as I have mine by Christmas, I'll be very happy

catharsix, the main advantage of buying now, imo, is being able to get the separate arm weapons. There's no guarantee those will be offered later- in fact, it's very possible they will only be offered on the leviathan chassis they were intended for.

wondering if the pledge manager is open, and if there's anyone in alberta who's pledge i might piggyback off of.....

Poda, I already added your squad of Valkir to my pledge. I haven't sent you a request for money yet because I was moving between computers.

I have an accessory sprue for ski2060 ordered, as well. Don't let me forget

I can use paypal you say? Well hello completely frivolous paypal credit line...

I get a message that says my account isn't yet activated or is blocked. Is that just because the manager isn't active until the 1st?

I think that's when the manager closes. You may want to send Mark or WGF an email about it.

RiTides, I won't let you forget

Got an interesting email from kickstarter today.

Project Update #68: Sprue layout and change to 20man Stormtrooper set
Posted by Mark Mondragon Like

I wanted to get your feedback and approval on a change to the 20man Stormtroopers set.

What I am proposing is adding more rifle arms to the 20 man set so that all twenty figures can be equipped with rifles. This would not remove any of the options that were listed but expand the options with additional rifles and enough drum magazines to make them all support weapons if you choose.

Why do this?

1) This will allow me to use the same sprue set up as the 10 man rifle squad. From an economic standpoint this would make the most sense.

2) This will allow you to have all twenty equipped with rifles or twenty support weapons if you choose.

If this looks like something you would like, I may modify the accessory pack to remove some of the additional rifle arms as they will no longer be needed. If there is space on the accessory pack sprue I can use that for other options.



Let me know your thoughts.

So it sounds like they are still making changes to the sprue. Fine by me though I don't think we will get these by November, but im not in a rush. As for changes to the sprue, here is what I would like to see.

Assault rifle type weapon. The guns they have are just too long for modern battlefield.
Targeter on the rocket launcher.
Flamethrower
Officer helmets.

Huh, Surprised this was not the layout all along tbh!

If the sprue has not been sorted out yet, we would probably see stuff shipping December time which works fine for me. I always doubted that he could get them to us in November as it seemed too soon, especially if the parts have not been sorted yet!

I also had another look at the accessory sprue in closer detail. Never noticed it came with a pistol and the grenades. Cool!


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Its kind of a strange set up though. Now all your guys have these squad automatic weapons. Something more compact between the big rifles and the submachine gun makes more sense to me. Even if they just cut down the length a little it would be fine.

This seems more logical, happy to go with this change.

 NoseGoblin wrote:
We are opening up the Kickstarter pledge manager to new customers.
For customers that missed the Kickstarter or were unable to pledges due to the credit card restrictions of Amazon Payments, we are opening up the pledge manager to accept new backers.
You can find the pledge manager here: https://www.wargamesfactory.net/
We are accepting two payment formats, each has specific instructions below. Please note: The pledge manager will not be available after November 1st.

Now if I can find a way to jump on board now... November 1st budget calculations now underway!

Thanks for opening this up to the 'rest of us'!

...Damn I kinda want a couple squads of stormtroopers now

and some Valkir


.....


Damn it all Mark! You're beaming cocaine into my brain through my computer or something aren't you?

Two comments from Mark on the KS page for this update:

I spoke with Wai Kee about the expected delivery yesterday. He said it will be close but he still anticipated it hitting the US in late November. My gutt is telling me that it will be closer to early December. I will not know one way or the other until the boat is on the water, that’s why I have not posted an update... I just don’t know yet.

So I guess it depends on how quickly the factory makes the stuff, and perhaps how long the shipment sits in Customs once it gets here. A quick Google search says it takes about two weeks for a cargo ship to cross the Pacific. I wonder how many sprues the equipment can make per hour?

It’s too late to add anything 'new' I can only add more of the same items that have already made it through the mold draft/split steps.

So, too late to add anything new to any of the Stage 1 sprues (including the accessory sprue), so while I would have liked a flamethrower or other weapons added, I'll just have to settle for the rest of the awesome I'm already getting. Oh well.

Early December would suit me just fine, it will make a great birthday present!

 Alpharius wrote:

 NoseGoblin wrote:
We are opening up the Kickstarter pledge manager to new customers.
For customers that missed the Kickstarter or were unable to pledges due to the credit card restrictions of Amazon Payments, we are opening up the pledge manager to accept new backers.
You can find the pledge manager here: https://www.wargamesfactory.net/
We are accepting two payment formats, each has specific instructions below. Please note: The pledge manager will not be available after November 1st.

Now if I can find a way to jump on board now... November 1st budget calculations now underway!

Thanks for opening this up to the 'rest of us'!

I think it closes November 1st, so you might want to do Oct 31st . That'd be sweet if you joined in!

Oops!

Yes, that's what I meant - good catch though!

 Slinky wrote:
Apparently 200 people haven't, which is about 1 in 4 of the backers!

And I'm one of those people.

I'm still deciding whether I want to go ahead or not. It's a money situation I'm afraid.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
Apparently 200 people haven't, which is about 1 in 4 of the backers!

And I'm one of those people.

I'm still deciding whether I want to go ahead or not. It's a money situation I'm afraid.

I can understand that. Just don't forget to claim what you've already pledged for. I'm sure Mark would love the free money, but I bet you would like the models more.

Aren't all pledges accounted for money wise? I thought the pledge manager was just to make sure you get what you pledged for, or to add more stuff to your order.

My payment was drafted almost immediately after the kickstarter ended.

Sigh... only a few days left to finish up, and so many great options...

I was hoping to see a render of the Female Troopers before the manager closed, but perhaps it's for the best... if they look as good as I'm suspecting, my poor wallet may never recover!

Has anyone been able to create a new account on the pledge manager since they opened it up to new backers?

They are paid, ski2060, but people need to finalize what they're expecting to get for that money, and compare it to the total they paid. If it's not right, they need to add funds, etc...

It took me forever to remember what I ordered (although the extra accessory sprue for you ski was the first thing I put in)


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 Buzzsaw wrote:
Sigh... only a few days left to finish up, and so many great options...

I was hoping to see a render of the Female Troopers before the manager closed, but perhaps it's for the best... if they look as good as I'm suspecting, my poor wallet may never recover!

I doubt we'll see that, as it seems he's scrambling to finalize the accessory sprue contents, for instance- and that's phase 1. With the black widows being phase 3, I expect their renders to come later.

Something to look forward to, at least!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Two comments from Mark on the KS page for this update:


So I guess it depends on how quickly the factory makes the stuff, and perhaps how long the shipment sits in Customs once it gets here. A quick Google search says it takes about two weeks for a cargo ship to cross the Pacific. I wonder how many sprues the equipment can make per hour?

I work in injection molding, so let me throw an estimate. Lets say these are on a sprue about the size of GW infantry sprues...Id expect a cycle time of 30 seconds or less, so 2 sprues per minute, 120 per hour, etc. In other words, they will crank them out fast once it gets to the molding stage.


Could even be as low as 10-15 seconds per cycle depending on the size of the machine and how well the machine/process is dialed in.

 Lansirill wrote:
Has anyone been able to create a new account on the pledge manager since they opened it up to new backers?

I was able to set up an account following the instruction on the site.

Tim

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Two comments from Mark on the KS page for this update:


So I guess it depends on how quickly the factory makes the stuff, and perhaps how long the shipment sits in Customs once it gets here. A quick Google search says it takes about two weeks for a cargo ship to cross the Pacific. I wonder how many sprues the equipment can make per hour?

I work in injection molding, so let me throw an estimate. Lets say these are on a sprue about the size of GW infantry sprues...Id expect a cycle time of 30 seconds or less, so 2 sprues per minute, 120 per hour, etc. In other words, they will crank them out fast once it gets to the molding stage.


Could even be as low as 10-15 seconds per cycle depending on the size of the machine and how well the machine/process is dialed in.

Plus the safety margins can be pretty low. China and all.

Nov 1 needs to hurry up and get here so I don't find a way to buy more stuff

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Two comments from Mark on the KS page for this update:


So I guess it depends on how quickly the factory makes the stuff, and perhaps how long the shipment sits in Customs once it gets here. A quick Google search says it takes about two weeks for a cargo ship to cross the Pacific. I wonder how many sprues the equipment can make per hour?

I work in injection molding, so let me throw an estimate. Lets say these are on a sprue about the size of GW infantry sprues...Id expect a cycle time of 30 seconds or less, so 2 sprues per minute, 120 per hour, etc. In other words, they will crank them out fast once it gets to the molding stage.


Could even be as low as 10-15 seconds per cycle depending on the size of the machine and how well the machine/process is dialed in.

Plus the safety margins can be pretty low. China and all.

not really much workplace safety involved in the speed of those machines; these things run automated once set up (and have done so since, what? the eighties?) and having to throw some raw material bits into the hopper every few minutes doesn't involve anything which slows down or speeds up the casting process.

not even if impurities, say a stray worker or an embarassing witness, were to fall in?

Interesting. I'll have to remember that...

....some of those hoppers might have a sufficiently large opening to fit a head through, but certainly not someones shoulders. Not even a really puny Chinese dude

...I'll shut up now

You know you need another update from Mark when the conversation goes this way...

 Commander Cain wrote:
You know you need another update from Mark when the conversation goes this way...

Maybe Mark has narrow shoulders.

Why, yes. I do believe Mark should inform us whether WGF's PS hoppers could potentially swallow a tiny Chinese sweatshop-employee whole.

...inquiring minds want to know!

@KM I know the feeling. Im so tempted to start another account and use paypal to buy a pair of leviathans of each type and size. I need more money!!!!

Actually I am not having much luck getting their log in to work after getting my account activated.

8x5 Heavy Assault Troopers and 2x5 Heavy Support Troopers.

Count as Grey Knights here we come.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
not even if impurities, say a stray worker or an embarassing witness, were to fall in?

Interesting. I'll have to remember that...

Unless the safety gates have been removed, and/or the interlocks bypassed, stray large objects really cant get into the mold area without deliberate effort. Very small material contamination is possible. Even in China I would doubt that the interlocks would be bypassed, with the cost of molds you dont want large foreign objects getting in there and damaging the mold itself. On a funny note, the son of the guy who owns the company I work for just left for China for 6 weeks to learn to process the machines. We are partners with a company over there, and I gather their processors are top notch.


* processing an injection mold machine is the term for setting up and adjusting the programming (or manual settings on older machines) to make the molding process work right. They ansure there are no shorts, warp, sink, etc...as well as diagnosing/fixing problems with the machines, setting cycle times, etc.


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Bolognesus wrote:
....some of those hoppers might have a sufficiently large opening to fit a head through, but certainly not someones shoulders. Not even a really puny Chinese dude

...I'll shut up now

We have several machines that are large enough to stand inside the mold area, with the molds weighing several thousand pounds. I think our largest machines are rated at 1000 tons clamp hold pressure, IIRC.

The ones that really suck run materail melt temps around 720 degrees (F) with hot oil keeping the mold temps around 400 degrees. Luckily there arent a lot of parts that run material that hot, just the parts we make for firefighters sensor pods. However, if you accidentally touch the mold while removing the parts...you are burned instantly.

 Ghiest1 wrote:
Actually I am not having much luck getting their log in to work after getting my account activated.

Are other's who signed up after the KS working?

 RiTides wrote:

 Ghiest1 wrote:
Actually I am not having much luck getting their log in to work after getting my account activated.

Are other's who signed up after the KS working?

I'm not. Even tried signing up a second email in case that was the problem, but no luck.

 RiTides wrote:

 Ghiest1 wrote:
Actually I am not having much luck getting their log in to work after getting my account activated.

Are other's who signed up after the KS working?

I was successful at logging in and placing a pledge (#849).

Once you get a approval email, you should be able to log in and click on the different phases to order.

tim

Ok, I solved the money issue (as much as money issues can be solved). I've plugged in all the things I wanted, hit "ship when complete", and found I had enough spare pledge left over to get another box of Heavy Troopers.

So my total was only AUD$2.99 higher than what I pledged, so I can live with that.

How dare you make us feel bad by showing us you can manage your finances so well?

For those looking to convert your leviathans into Titans, I guess the decorative panels on the new Wall o'dead Cadians can be used to spruce it up. If you have 200$ to spare, that is.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
How dare you make us feel bad by showing us you can manage your finances so well?

For those looking to convert your leviathans into Titans, I guess the decorative panels on the new Wall o'dead Cadians can be used to spruce it up. If you have 200$ to spare, that is.

I actually like the "slick" look myself. I like to pretend not everything has to be High Gothic art/baroque in this bloody millenium XD

Yeah, that's why I'm putting capacitor coolers instead of the smokestacks on mine (nice that there's an option!). I'm sick of gothic... there are so many other looks to be had!

AlexHolker wrote:@NoseGoblin: The Kickstarter exclusives should, at a minimum, not be exclusive to this Kickstarter. To be blunt, it is absurd to make the feral Shadokesh model only available to people who bought non-Shadokesh models a year or more before the Shadokesh army exists.

Only those particular sculpts are exclusive to this kickstarter. There's nothing stopping Mark from releasing new – and, if the evolution of the Eisenkern is any indication, better – sculpts when the Shadokesh kickstarter comes around.

That said, Mark, it might be an idea to restrict future kickstarter exclusives to the kickstarter AND conventions. Still a pain in the ass to obtain outside the kickstarter, just not impossible. Oh, and before I forget again, you absolutely need to start putting 'WIP' on your WIP images – and possibly the DFG logo and/or an URL too – because for many of them we just can't tell otherwise. Not an issue for those of us following these threads but for those who just see a random image out in the wild...

Mark Mondragon wrote:This will allow me to use the same sprue set up as the 10 man rifle squad.

You...were...bu...wha...*ow*

 Cyb3rw0lf wrote:
I was just wishing last night I had paid more attention to this KS when I saw the APC! Any dimensions out for that monster?

Keilerkopf = 2.25" H x 3.25" W x 7.25" L
Landraider = 2.50" H x 3.75" W x 7.25" L
Monster is right!

__________

Okay, my turn: Does the 15mm Mortis come with the Leviathan's arm and leg armour? I know it was discussed previously, but my search-fu is weak.

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, that's why I'm putting capacitor coolers instead of the smokestacks on mine (nice that there's an option!). I'm sick of gothic... there are so many other looks to be had!

Whilst I am not as sick of gothic as most people, I do think the capacitor coolers look better than the smokestacks (and they fit my idea of Knights better). I'm only getting 15mm Crusaders (2 of those, and 1 Mortis) - none of the big ones - so the left over smoke stacks should be the right size for CoD buildings.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
For those looking to convert your leviathans into Titans, I guess the decorative panels on the new Wall o'dead Cadians can be used to spruce it up. If you have 200$ to spare, that is.

Why are there dead Cadian all over my titan? How did they even get up here?

 Construct wrote:

 Cyb3rw0lf wrote:
I was just wishing last night I had paid more attention to this KS when I saw the APC! Any dimensions out for that monster?

Keilerkopf = 2.25" H x 3.25" W x 7.25" L
Landraider = 2.50" H x 3.75" W x 7.25" L
Monster is right!

The only big thing about it is the 251 nose. Otherwise it would be no larger than a Rhino.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why are there dead Cadian all over my titan? How did they even get up here?

*scrub* *scrubscrub* *scrubSCRUBSCRUBSCRUB* Dammit, I just had this thing valeted!

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Construct wrote:

 Cyb3rw0lf wrote:
I was just wishing last night I had paid more attention to this KS when I saw the APC! Any dimensions out for that monster?

Keilerkopf = 2.25" H x 3.25" W x 7.25" L
Landraider = 2.50" H x 3.75" W x 7.25" L
Monster is right!

The only big thing about it is the 251 nose. Otherwise it would be no larger than a Rhino.

Rhino = 2.00" H x 3.00" W x 4.75" L

Even if you went in for maximum rhinoplasty and chopped it off flat in front of the windscreen – removing the middle wheels and moving the front wheels and side doors immediately in front of the rear wheels – it would still be slightly larger than a Rhino. That nose isn't as oversize as all those three-quarter shots make it look.



Edit: Random question, but does anyone know what's up with the weird kink in the submachine gun stocks? I thought it was length adjustment at first but but they look fully-extended in what would have to be the fully-collapsed position so that can't be it.

I actually like the long look, these things are awesome APCs.

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, that's why I'm putting capacitor coolers instead of the smokestacks on mine (nice that there's an option!). I'm sick of gothic... there are so many other looks to be had!

I agree completely.


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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I actually like the long look, these things are awesome APCs.

Agreed. When they hit general sale Ill be buying 2...one APC and one with the big gun.

Remember Kids the pledge manager ends at the end of october (2 days to go)

and Mark says 140 folk have not sorted out their orders yet

DON'T MISS OUT

Here's the latest info from DreamForge.

Mark Mondragon wrote:
Project Update #70: Current production status.

As we close in on the end of the month many of you may be wondering where we are in the process and if we will meet our expected shipping dates. I am hesitant to post updated based on conjecture but I will share with you where we are and what the plan is.

The Leviathan Crusader is nearly complete and many of the sprues have already gone through the test shots and are in the final mold tweaking phase where they enlarge some of the gates to deal with any under pressure issues that could cause sink marks in the models surface.

The ten man and twenty man sets are in the mold cutting phase.

The accessory set and the support weapons have completed the mold draft and will be going into tooling within the next couple of days.

As we are closing in on the shipping day, a fast boat has been chartered from China, leaving the first week of November with an expected sea travel time of 16 to 18 days, this shipment will contain the Leviathan Crusaders and Left Vulkans along with the 10 and 20 man sets. The Ada, Shadokesh, accessory set and support weapons set will be airmailed to the US so that all of stage 1 will be available to ship before the end of November.

I do not have specific dates at this point but the goal is to get our domestic and international customers their items before Christmas.

All the best!

Mark

Interesting that a "fast boat" will still take 16+ days to make the crossing. I guess the biggest uncertainty in the timeframe will be how long it takes to clear Customs.

Well Tann it's still an entire OCEAN. It'd take months to make that kind of crossing even just a couple decades ago.

I think it's not unreasonable to have the date slip into early december. I mean, I'll have two weeks to assemble and paint. Yay!

I thought the time estimate was always December? Maybe that is Dreadball I am thinking of. Too many kickstarters!

It was always November for Stage 1, but most Kickstarters tend to have delays in shipping product anyway. Honestly, I would be surprised if they really did ship in November (ship from WGF to us, anyway, as I would expect them to ship from China in November).

Yeah, but the guys in my gaming group are now saying that it's taking a lot of time to get their stuff. And considering some of them want Mortii rather than Crusaders, I'm going to be hearing "Is it here yet?" a lot.

How did Yoda teach patience to his students, already?

Just tell them Crusaders by Christmas, Mortis by Easter

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yeah, but the guys in my gaming group are now saying that it's taking a lot of time to get their stuff. And considering some of them want Mortii rather than Crusaders, I'm going to be hearing "Is it here yet?" a lot.

How did Yoda teach patience to his students, already?

pretty sure he threatened a force choke while asking "Whos gonna make Yoda choke a b...."

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Interesting that a "fast boat" will still take 16+ days to make the crossing. I guess the biggest uncertainty in the timeframe will be how long it takes to clear Customs.

Well if you consider a "fast" cargo ship (of reasonable charter cost) is probably running about 15 knots (around 17 MPH), it takes a long time to cross the Pacific.

IIRC the newest, most advanced (and expensive) generation of super freighters can do a little over 30 knots full out, cruise would typically be more like 25 knots.

still 70 backers not completed the pledge manager! If it is not completed by 5th November, those orders will not be included in the air shipment and those components that would have been shipped by air (I presume the KS exclusives and freebies from Stage 1) will be delayed until the next SEA shipment!

Mark Mondragon wrote:We still have 70 backers of the Kickstarter that have not completed the pledge manager. We are at the point that the manufacturer needs the total from all of the backers to identify how many of each product will need to be produced in order to satisfy the outstanding orders.

If you have not completed the pledge manager, we have no idea what to send you.

If you still need to complete the pledge manager, do so now.

If you do not have your login information to complete the pledge manager please follow these instructions, posted in update #66 ‘Ten day warning’

“The pledge manager will be taken off line November 1st, you will need to complete your pledge manager information before November 1st so that we can get your orders finalized.



You should have received an email with the link and sign on information for your account.

If you have not received the email, please contact dfg@wargamesfactory.com and ask them to re-send.”

Wargames Factory will try one more round of emails to contact the backers that still need to complete the pledge manager, if your spam filter is not letting the emails through, please check their first. We will of course honor your pledge but it may be subject to shipping delays, as outlined below.



PLEASE BE AWARE

Backers of the Kickstarter who have not completed the pledge manager may be subject to shipping delays if they do not complete the process by November 5th as the air shipment of some of the kits will not contain their orders and they will need to wait until a second sea shipment can be arranged.

For new backers that have registered an account but have not completed your pledge manager and payment. This is your last opportunity to do so. The pledge manager will be taken off line tomorrow morning, and any open accounts that have not completed an order and made payment will be deleted with no opportunity to participate in the Kickstarter pricing or other benefits given to Kickstarter backers.

**The pledge manager will stay online for review purposes but you will not be able to place an order or make any changes.

Once again, a huge thank you to all the supporters!

Mark Mondragon

DreamForge-Games

Free money for Mark I guess.

Except some of those missing pledge manager forms seem to be from people who jumped in after it closed, so haven't paid yet.

Then it's no harm done, I guess. Sure, the extra orders would have been nice, but worse comes worse they get their stuff in March, like my lovely, lovely 15mm Mortii (Mortises? Mortis'?).

I tried to jump in after the KS but never got any emails saying my account was activated.

Ah well, maybe stompy robots in a few years time for me then.

You'll still be able to get the stuff from Wargames Factory, just at a slightly higher price.

Nuwisha wrote:
I tried to jump in after the KS but never got any emails saying my account was activated.

Ah well, maybe stompy robots in a few years time for me then.

Double check your spam folder, then e-mail them and ask them to re-send it. You should be able to join in, but you might not get the pledge manager in in time to take advantage of the air shipping - you would then receive your stage 1 and 2 components together around next May if I have read things right, so not too much of a wait.

I think Mark was aiming at March for Stage 2, May was stage 3, but I suppose we can expect a bit of slippage between now and then.

I've lost/misplaced/forgotten my user name and password for the DreamForge Pledge Manager - and there doesn't seem to be an automated 'click here if you forgot this stuff' link!

I've emailed the address given that we were told to contact if we had trouble... no reply yet.

I've only got until the end of the day tomorrow - so I hope someone answers and helps me out soon!

Ummm it's not in a deleted or spam folder in your email somewhere?

Sucks to be you. Hope that they get back to you ASAP so you can get in on this.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I think Mark was aiming at March for Stage 2, May was stage 3, but I suppose we can expect a bit of slippage between now and then.

I'd guess we'll actually see positive slippage as fast as the manufacturer seems to be on the ball with this stuff.

Oh no, that sucks really sucks Alpharius good luck!

Mark seems to be quite amicable in these matters, I'm sure a good faith mistake wouldn't net Alpharius more than a shipping delay

The fine folks at DF/WGF have reset my password!

Pledge will be going in later today!

I expect the later stages will be on time. They've probably already scheduled the manufacturing timeslots with the factory, so it may really just be a matter of Mark getting the 3D files to them in time for the tooling. I doubt they would be done earlier, unless someone else who had a project scheduled with the factory has to cancel, thus freeing up their timeslot. I assume that's how it works with these Chinese factories: they basically contract their manufacturing services to multiple clients?

 Alpharius wrote:
The fine folks at DF/WGF have reset my password!

Pledge will be going in later today!

Nothing like waiting until the last possible second, eh?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I assume that's how it works with these Chinese factories: they basically contract their manufacturing services to multiple clients?

That's how it works in all countries in the main. I can't name a single company these days that does all their moulding 'in-house' and therefore has an eclusive set-up. Moulding companies like to do large batch runs of stuff as it saves them time swapping out the tooling on a frequent basis. The smaller the run, the more time they lose and the higher the cost per unit. Larger runs are more desirable as it gives the moulder a certain stability of income and reduces their downtime for mould changes, material purges and the like.

 Breotan wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The fine folks at DF/WGF have reset my password!

Pledge will be going in later today!

Nothing like waiting until the last possible second, eh?

More like... nothing like waiting until funds were available in the gaming budget!

Nothing puts the limit on the gaming budget like buying a house!

Anyway - I'm in!

Pledge Number 971, successfully submitted - glad I cold finally join you guys!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The fine folks at DF/WGF have reset my password!

Pledge will be going in later today!

Nothing like waiting until the last possible second, eh?

More like... nothing like waiting until funds were available in the gaming budget!

Nothing puts the limit on the gaming budget like buying a house!

Anyway - I'm in!

Pledge Number 971, successfully submitted - glad I cold finally join you guys!

I hope they send your order to me.....after all I am Alpharius

@Alpharius: I have to find a car, and the sheer price is terrifying me. I can't even fathom having to buy a house.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
@Alpharius: I have to find a car, and the sheer price is terrifying me. I can't even fathom having to buy a house.

Ha!

The kicker here is that real soon we're going to need another car too!

So much so that I couldn't afford getting any of the transports from this Kickstarter!

Well, they're big enough you could have used those as a car.

Man, is it normal that a cheap vehicle will set me back 20K?

Yeah, that's about normal. About what I paid for my Chevy Cruze. There's cheaper cars, and used cars, though. But you get what you pay for.

Yeah but like my grandfather always said"...Buying a used car , is like buying the misery of someone else...", he was a car addict.

some people don,t realize how good a deal they have sometimes, so others can better appreciate it. I'm not talking about cars, if you get my drift.

Am I the only one counting the days to December on this thread? It's like, 96, right?

December. Nnnnnngh..... :(

December can't get here soon enough, but I also want all my other stuff that ships next year, too.

Yeah, most of my stuff is in wave 2 or 3, so December isn't a big priority for me.

Other than that it is my birthday month, of course!

Yeah, I'm more excited about the 4.5" leviathans, and wish they'd come in February for my birthday....

I have troops and Leviathan in wave 1, with a small selection of arms in 2, then 3 APC's and the black widows in 3, so I can get real excited December/January, then basically nothing until probably June/July by the time it gets shipped to the UK.

Speaking of which, is there anyone in the UK who doesn't recon they'll need their seated female legs when we get them and would be willing to swap for some components from a troop accessory sprue? I just want to ensure I can get a squad of 10 Black Widows seated in an APC.

I have a nice spread of packages over the next couple months.

Two titans next month, four arms in march and black widows and assault troops in may.

I went for the 15mm Leviathans too - Counts As Knights, I think, for me...

Have to wait a while for them and their additional arms, but it will be worth it!

I have a good chunk of stuff coming in each phase so I am pretty pumped for this, sedition wars and dreadball to all arrive around the same time!

@Alph, we share the same birthday month!

Going by model count I think most of the stuff comes in this wave. Going by dollar cost, phase 3...

Given my existing mountain range of unpainted models, plus DFG plus Dreadball (also squee for that!) will keep me busy for a while.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Yeah, that's about normal. About what I paid for my Chevy Cruze. There's cheaper cars, and used cars, though. But you get what you pay for.

I payed just under $20k for my 2004 Chevy Cavalier LS Sport 4 door. It now has 159,000 miles on it, without a single engine related breakdown. Only problems I had was replacing the front wheels bearings at around 108,000 miles. Still looks and runs like new. A few minor problems and some maintenance items that will be done in spring when we get tax refunds back.

We're veering may off topic here, so I guess we can take the Real World Car discussion to the Off Topic forum? It looks to be an interesting one, especially as you can get a really good new car for well under $20K, and you can certainly get a really good used one for well, well under $20K!

So - anyone care to start that conversation there, so we can free up this topic for real updates?

Sir, yes, sir!

Back on topic, somewhat, I wonder if my scratchbuilt Warhound will look *that* bad next to a DFG leviathan. I know mine is taller... but detail wise, I don't think I can pull off as much as a molded piece of plastic.

 Krinsath wrote:
Going by model count I think most of the stuff comes in this wave. Going by dollar cost, phase 3...

Given my existing mountain range of unpainted models, plus DFG plus Dreadball (also squee for that!) will keep me busy for a while.

Same here! Most models coming Phase 1, but my biggest investment was APCs in Phase 3. That and the black widows add-ons were perfect for him!

 Alpharius wrote:
I went for the 15mm Leviathans too - Counts As Knights, I think, for me...

Have to wait a while for them and their additional arms, but it will be worth it!

Me too. No real interest in the big ones (besides novelty factor), but the little 'uns seem to be the right fit for 'counts as'. Perfect heavy support for my AdMech army. Plus, the first HH book mentions Knight Heavy Walkers, so we may even see some official rules for them eventually!!!

New sprue pics up:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/something-wicked-this-way-comes-crusader-plastic-m/posts/344405?ref=activity

The sprue pics look fantastic! Just like GW quality, from what I can see.

Is this the same mob that did the Ex Illis sprues? They're very similar in design.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is this the same mob that did the Ex Illis sprues? They're very similar in design.

My Googling says "Yes".

Ghost Studios supposedly made the miniatures for Ex Illis and also WarGames Factory. Later, in the drama over WGF, Ghost Studios absorbed the WGF brand. So, it would seem logical that the manufacturer remains the same.

Nice pics though, looking very yummy.

Looking at the infantry sprue I noticed a few things.

1 back and backpack look to be two separate parts, which is nice, I was not sold 100% on that back pack.
2 I don't see any other weapons besides the main rifle, no rocket launchers, smgs or smgs with grenade launcher, not really happy about that as it makes the accessory sprue almost mandatory.

At this point, I'm not expecting anything to actually turn up this year (to Australia), so if something does, it'll be a pleasant surprise.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Looking at the infantry sprue I noticed a few things.

1 back and backpack look to be two separate parts, which is nice, I was not sold 100% on that back pack.
2 I don't see any other weapons besides the main rifle, no rocket launchers, smgs or smgs with grenade launcher, not really happy about that as it makes the accessory sprue almost mandatory.

That is the ten man rifle squad, the 20 man Stormtroopers have another sprue for the other weapons and arms.... I would NEVER change somthing to remove items, but if there is space I may add items

Anybody else notice how well the sprues stack? GW sprues don't do that, they barely fit back in the box after you take them out. Nice bit of design there, Mark.
Any higher res photos? I'd love to zoom in close to see some more details.

WGF sprues stack very well. I've got a bunch of their historicals. They're designed in a special way on the outer to do so. With WGF so involved in the process (contacts, etc) I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same company.

 scipio.au wrote:
WGF sprues stack very well. I've got a bunch of their historicals. They're designed in a special way on the outer to do so. With WGF so involved in the process (contacts, etc) I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same company.

also my greatcoat troop sprues came with funky little discs in the middle of the sprue that i chopped off and used as scenery

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Anybody else notice how well the sprues stack? GW sprues don't do that, they barely fit back in the box after you take them out. Nice bit of design there, Mark.
Any higher res photos? I'd love to zoom in close to see some more details.

Just like the Ex Illis ones. Makes 'em very easy to store. Quite a nifty design feature.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Looking at the infantry sprue I noticed a few things.

1 back and backpack look to be two separate parts, which is nice, I was not sold 100% on that back pack.
2 I don't see any other weapons besides the main rifle, no rocket launchers, smgs or smgs with grenade launcher, not really happy about that as it makes the accessory sprue almost mandatory.

That is the ten man rifle squad, the 20 man Stormtroopers have another sprue for the other weapons and arms.... I would NEVER change somthing to remove items, but if there is space I may add items

Nice that the creator checks on here and posts to clarify stuff like this so quickly. Cheers, Mark

Aaaah...i wish i had enough cash this month to buy those right now...

Well gotta wait for next year...

Anyway congrats Mark, i was a fan of your Titans 10 year ago before the GW IP-Banhammer, missed the chance to have one, i will be so thrilled to see the whole range of your new models.

Also wanted to ask if you had an estimation as to when next year the mass production will gain enough speed for mass selling online, i definetly want to make an army out of it.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Looking at the infantry sprue I noticed a few things.

1 back and backpack look to be two separate parts, which is nice, I was not sold 100% on that back pack.
2 I don't see any other weapons besides the main rifle, no rocket launchers, smgs or smgs with grenade launcher, not really happy about that as it makes the accessory sprue almost mandatory.

That is the ten man rifle squad, the 20 man Stormtroopers have another sprue for the other weapons and arms.... I would NEVER change somthing to remove items, but if there is space I may add items

Ok great, I got the idea from your update that the 20 man boxes were just going to be two of the ten man sets for ease of production. I had no idea you were making a separate weapons sprue besides the already separate accessory kit. Nice.

Mark graces us with a truly tantalizing update today!

Stormtrooper 20 man half sprue and Shadokesh sneak peak.
Update #73 · Nov. 09, 2012 · 2 comments

Here we have the half sprue of weapons that is added to the twenty man set and a sneak peak at the Feral Shadokesh and Handler.

Can not wait till I get my stuff now I want a new Shadokesh kick starter damn you Mark you are taking all my hobby budget.

Is it still possible to pledge?

I really want some of these awesome minis!

Those are definitely WGF-style sprues. It really is a smart and excellent design.

I like how the Shadokesh has evolved from it's humble initial render. Not sure it's an army I'd acquire based on one unit, but it's awesome to see some really unique ideas for aliens in this space versus some of the more established motifs which are, shall we say, inspired by more traditional fantasy archetypes?

Awesome work Mark! December gets here way too slowly...

Can't wait for these to show up in my local store.

Headclot, might be worth giving Mark an e-mail, but I wouldn't count on being able to get anything as the pledge manager closed on the 5th.

Very excited now! Shakodesh is looking great and I think that it will look even better in the flesh as those curves don't show that well in a 3d render.

Shadokesh is looking good .. wondering if they could be a Not Deldar army some day...

Loving the Feral Shadowkesh and Handler, can't wait to paint them!

The Shadowkesh is just marvelous... I was initially skeptical of the design, but it's really showing amazing ingenuity.

As an aside, that armored kilt (skirt?) looks quite good, and puts me of a mind that the excuse GW has given for not working on new Sisters of Battle is difficulty with fabrics. At this rate, Mark will have designed and produced entire ranges in the time it takes them to figure it out!

That is bull. I know I would take plastic snapfit sisters over none any day.

I just noticed something about that sprue, it's got round stacker things that don't exist on most plastic kits. Are you guys using the same plastic company that Wyrd Games uses?

 Breotan wrote:
I just noticed something about that sprue, it's got round stacker things that don't exist on most plastic kits. Are you guys using the same plastic company that Wyrd Games uses?

I'm pretty sure they're using Ghost Studios - the same company that owns Wargames Factory.

Beautiful, this is my first real purchase outside of GW. Been buyin 2nd hand off ebay for a while since i stopped playing and just modelled. Anticipating the 1st wave with much deserved hype.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
That is bull. I know I would take plastic snapfit sisters over none any day.

I just realized, taking into consideration the remarkably good Dark Vengeance sculpts, that the "fabric is hard to sculpt/make into minis" line seems like total malarkey.

 catharsix wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
That is bull. I know I would take plastic snapfit sisters over none any day.

I just realized, taking into consideration the remarkably good Dark Vengeance sculpts, that the "fabric is hard to sculpt/make into minis" line seems like total malarkey.

Yeah! All my shiny new Dark Angels have lots of fabrics to them! Albeit I kinda like my metal sisters, one of my IG falls off a table "Noooooooo!" one of my sisters falls off a table "Is the floor okay?"

While I'd like to see Iron-Core succeed on its own, it's not hard to see where some Black Widows and/or alternate parts for the Val'kir would address yet another gap in GW's model lines...

Just not sure it'd get enough to justify the cost for any new parts. Something else to watch for when the Black Widows get a general release I suppose; are they showing up as Sisters of Battle?

I don't want to play these as counts as anything, I want the iron core rules to kick GW in the rear and play it in tournaments. Shadokesh look awesome, but I want previews of all the factions with the next ks. Couldn't get myself to order blackwidows, as that was in phase 3. I need the quicker gratification.

Christmas is officially coming when my present arrives at the door in the mail.

I would love to see some tanks. Actual treaded tanks, done in the Dreamforge style. Im thinking Mark could draft up a pretty mean MBT if he was so inclined...

If there is another KS, I think fleshing out one or two unit(s) per faction would breathe life into this new universe much better than having a whole kickstarter hoopla for each faction.

I am assuming this KS will end up being successful enough to give Mark a good standing with Wargames, and they will be willing to support the line little by little. Call my a dreamer. We just can't expect a "codexful" of units every time, in such a short time span, from a one man show.

Even more than the KS will be if the leviathans & troopers sell when they hit general retail

They should do well, but the question will be how well once they hit the stores

On the other hand, this game will not take off, however good the rules might be, until he gets a distinctly different faction like the Shadokesh in production. the heavy troopers aren't so radically different from the marines as to make for good-looking opponents for each other.
Now of course they'll sell plenty for counts-as use but I don't think Mark wants to stay in that market segment any longer than he has to

Mark teases us with glorious images...

Guess what landed on my doorstep
Update #74 · Nov. 14, 2012 · 5 comments

Here is a look at some of the sprues and an assembled trooper. It’s a bit dark out so I needed to use my desk magnifier lamp to get some shots. I will try to get some larger clearer images when I can get some decent lighting.

I am quite frankly amazed at the level of crisp detail they were able to reproduce while dealing with the direction of pull from the mold halves. WGF did an amazing job…. My hat is off to them.

Freaking awesomely true to the digital sculpts. Im impressed.

Well that's Defiance Games Germans rendered redundant then
(and everybody elses space germans too)

they look great

Wow, those are nice!
Too bad I already had a bunch of Kriegsmarine models in metal.
I ended up with a couple Leviathans, extra arms, and exclusives.

I would have been all over those if Eisenkern were to be my main faction for Iron Core.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well that's Defiance Games Germans rendered redundant then

Indeed. I was never a fan of the Defiance models, these look far more detailed, better quality and more easy to convert as well!

Seriously impressed with this, especially as I can't see the slightest loss of quality in their conversion to plastic.

Wunderbar!

Very happy that I picked up 60 of those. They put GW IG to shame.

Can't wait to see renders of the heavy troopers now. Because these look very good theyshould be fantastic. And the black widows I'm so glad I picked up some them they will be excellent.

The casts are looking great. Nice work, both you and Ghost Studios.

While I know it won't be at least until after you've done that first alien race, have you considered making the next human faction predominantly female, to go with the predominantly male Eisenkern?

I....I....I think I just drooled on my keyboard...
Amazing work, Mark.

Wow...wanted to say something about how the butt looked, but couldn't find a way that woyldnt get me banned from here. Needless to say very impressed with the models coming out. Reading the night lords books by adb, and wondering how these would look in midnight clad.

Wish I'd grabbed some of these troopers to go with my Assault Heavys, Crusaders and widows

Those glorious glutes are going to make converting these guys into Sisters of Battle a hilariously awkward experience.

"wow these look great! Hows the back look?"
...
*MrMoustaffa's awkward silence*

"So, got a thing for dat ass huh?"

"IT"S NOT MY FAULT THEY"RE SCULPTED THAT WAY!!!"

I don't think it'd be all too hard to just GS some more... natural looking pants out of that
edit and really, with the bondage look of current sisters? yours can only be better, even if you don't do a thing about this

To summarize accurately:

While I knew Mark wouldn't work with someone who couldn't bring his ideas to life, that is simply incredible. Excellent work all around!

Yep I think there's definitely some stormtroopers in my future. Once I get my 40k armies done I'll do a proper Eisenkern force with a mix of light and heavy infantry... and plenty of heavy fire power from my Crusaders.

I see empty spots mark< EMPTY SPOTS THAT COULD HAVE BITZ!

Yes, beautiful, and should have made some of those bases as tokens, so that they could be distributed to non-believers...

 Grundz wrote:
I see empty spots mark< EMPTY SPOTS THAT COULD HAVE BITZ!

That would be what the accessory sprue is for mate!

My will to resist making these stormtroopers my IG is weakening. They are just shiny! I was waiting for Defiance to put out their female marines, but I think this, with some Black Widows, is just going to be perfect for me...

Those details are so sharp, it is amazing.

I don't know what I can say that hasn't already been said. Just... wow.

The transition to plastic from digital sculpt looks absolutely flawless to me. I love them!

And I am set to get 60 plus the heavy weapons. Woot! Troopers to shoot my upcoming trollforged aliens

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
My will to resist making these stormtroopers my IG is weakening. They are just shiny! I was waiting for Defiance to put out their female marines, but I think this, with some Black Widows, is just going to be perfect for me...

Those details are so sharp, it is amazing.

High quality materials, hyper high quality sculpts, reasonable costs. I know a certain wargaming company that's not getting money from me any more so I can give it all to DFG instead.

Wow, those look awesome! Very happy that I got some of them and now wish I had gotten more...

Well done all around.

~Eric

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
My will to resist making these stormtroopers my IG is weakening. They are just shiny! I was waiting for Defiance to put out their female marines, but I think this, with some Black Widows, is just going to be perfect for me...

Those details are so sharp, it is amazing.

High quality materials, hyper high quality sculpts, reasonable costs. I know a certain wargaming company that's not getting money from me any more so I can give it all to DFG instead.

Amen to that. Maybe, just maybe this might get themto wake up.....probably not. They'll think it's a fad like the internet

looking real good!!! December can't come sooner. wish I got a Levi though. actually I kinda forgot what i bought already...

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
My will to resist making these stormtroopers my IG is weakening. They are just shiny! I was waiting for Defiance to put out their female marines, but I think this, with some Black Widows, is just going to be perfect for me...

Those details are so sharp, it is amazing.

High quality materials, hyper high quality sculpts, reasonable costs. I know a certain wargaming company that's not getting money from me any more so I can give it all to DFG instead.

I also am planning to send as much money as I can Mark's way, especially when the Mortis 15mm becomes available... somehow.

-C6

With the quality and price I'm paying for these at the moment, even including the inevitable rise when they go retail and the shipping costs, I will still get more of these.

I now wish I'd had the money to pledge for even more than I did. Another 40 troops, a Mortis, some more leviathan weapons, 4 more APCs, command squad, specialists, and another unit of black widows to use for conversion and I'd have been set. Still, either ordering direct, or from a UK distributor if Mark gets one, I'll get them some time next year.

And if those pictures are not top quality, what must those sprues REALLY look like!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well that's Defiance Games Germans rendered redundant then

Given the history between WGF and DG, I imagine there's a Cheshire Cat-sized smile in China right now because I suspect outside of hardcore DG fans you're right (barring huge price difference at retail). I still can't get over how good those sprue pics look, and I knew what Mark had gotten done in metal.

This bodes well for the whole project, and I can't wait to see more of the Phase 1 stuff (as if I wasn't already chomping on the bit to get these models...)

SO glad that I added a squad of these guys to the pledge manager!

I love these models, but I want my giant stompy things. :(

WOW, those are great. Assuming that the other troops, Leviathans, APC, etc come out just as crisp and clean Dreamforge may set the new standard for plastic gaming minis.

Well we already know that the Leviathans are going to be good from a previous update, and I see no reason to doubt the quality of the later items, the specialist troops like the Widows, and the APCs.

So I'd say the bar has been well and truly raised!

Agreed! Only uncertainty for later items are things like the skirting on the models. But these armored troops came out more perfect than I thought possible.

Yeah it seems DG has come up a little short in this pairing, though I do like the DG weapons a lot more. If only they'd sell them separately.

Infantry look very nice. I'll most likely pick some up when they go retail down the line.

I imagine they will be up for retail sale (at least online) sooner rather than later! If they are able to deliver infantry and crusaders by Christmas, I will be very happy... a much faster turn-around time than most Kickstarters that require molding.

That would be cool if we could hear from Mark or WGF when there's going to be a shelf date for the first wave models. I'd be outside the metaphorical door with cash in hand that's for sure!

don't you go catching a metaphorical cold, KM. They are rampant at this time of the year.

Another thing that DFG has over DG is the sheer level of communication and updates. Sure, his blog posts aren't super frequent but the KS has just been excellent on that side of things.

Heh, imagine that... long previews for a product, mounting excitement and a loyal fan base, who'd've thunk...

I just posted this update #75 but thought I should also post it here.

This is not a message I anticipated writing or one that I take lightly. I know all of you (myself included) were excited about the prospect of little boxes of DreamForge goodness settling beneath your Christmas trees but I must apologize to all of you. Despite our best efforts to get your stage one items to you before Christmas, I am sorry to say we will miss this goal.

We have been trying desperately to keep to our original goal. The staff over at Ghost Studios/WGF have been working VERY long days trying to keep us on target pushing the box printers, the engineering staff , the manufacturing plant employees and myself, but despite our best efforts, it all came down to how long it takes to machine the mold halves and the sheer volume of molds that we needed to produce.
Simply put, we underestimated the number of tools that would need to be cut in order to complete the stage one deliveries. As we arranged the models into sprue layouts, the number of molds needed to complete each set grew beyond our initial estimation. With the entire CNC machine inventory running 24/7, we simply did not have enough machines to cut the large number of molds (close to 60 mold halves) this project required within the time limitations I provided in the Kickstarter.

Today, I received confirmation that we had missed our target date. I debated on holding this news until I had a firm revised date but I decided that it was better to share this information with you sooner rather than later.
So, where are we and what can we expect?

The vast majority of the items have already finished production, the sprues have been cast and many are boxed or in the process of being boxed. The remaining molds are being test shot or are to be test shot this week and any last minuet changes made before final production runs. The information I have, is that the shipment will be in the Wargames Factory warehouse around the Christmas week and will be shipping out shortly after. I wish I could give you better news or a firmer date but with the information I have I can only provide a generalized date. Once I have any firm news I will update you ASAP.

How does this affect the stage two and three? We are currently on track to provide these stages within the estimated window.

All the best,
Mark Mondragon
DreamForge-Games

Edit: Ninja'ed by Mark himself, so edited out the text of the update. Thanks for posting here, Mark, and for working so hard on this. It is a bummer! But if Stage 2 and 3 do not slip, I will still be happy with the timeframe for this project.

It looks like that first delivery date for Stage 1 was just too ambitious. It's the Kickstarter curse...

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
That would be cool if we could hear from Mark or WGF when there's going to be a shelf date for the first wave models. I'd be outside the metaphorical door with cash in hand that's for sure!

These will be in the supply chain late January or February?

At the end of the day you still have the word ‘dragon’ in your name, so that makes up for it I guess.

Thankfully (?) this doesn’t impact me as I was only getting the 15mm Knights and some big heavy troopers.

I appreciate the heads up. I'm a little saddened that I won't be painting up my Leviathan over the holiday break I tend to get from work but I'll forgive you when all my pretties come in I'm sure.

<== Feels your pain! Hang in there

I'm still waiting with baited breath for my leviathan, but on the bright size I have some time to finish painting everything that it was going to push aside

Man both of my kickstarters were pushed back past Christmas. It was going to be glorious, now I'll have nothing under the tree. I'm a sad.

Issues will always come up in life that ruin plans. While disappointing that we'll be a month longer waiting for the shinies, I do appreciate you taking the time to come here and post the information yourself.

Slippage and similar issues are easier to abide by when there's communication instead of uncertainty and "I heard from a guy wearing a vermillion shirt that..."-type rumormongering that some companies like to engage in.

Bummer. My painting queue has been dry for a little spell. I do have some tanks to airbrush though...

Mark, you get us our goodies. At least we cannot fault you for not being communicative and open about it. Not like another company that I have in my sights lately, say.

Also, the soft update on the supply chain for general release is good. Now I know I'll have a few months to get Phase 1 ready to spruce up interest locally.

I thank you for the update. I guess I should use this time to start on my painting backlog. I hope this doesn't affect wave 2 and 3 thats is what I really hoping for. Im one of the lucky ones I own one of the resin ones.

officially postponing Christmas. And if Santa comes down the chimney without my packages then I'm afraid I'll just have to stomp a leviathan sized hole in him.

gogo early February arrivals!

oh right... man, sucks to be any pledgers from down under.

Thanks Mark for keeping us in the loop, both via email and here on Dakka.

One of the reasons I went in for this Kickstarter is the considerable degree of professionalism that you have consistently displayed, and this is an ideal example.

Of course, I'm sure we're all a little disappointed that we won't have our toys on Christmas morning (or the 8th night of Hanukkah, etc.) but I think we all also realize the enormity of this project, and the level of dedication you've shown in making this happen. We can wait a few more weeks, as I'm sure we all have way too many toys as it is!

Keep up the hard work, and thanks for keeping us in the loop.

-C6

 scipio.au wrote:
gogo early February arrivals!

Best Valentines Day Ever for Mrs. Scipio.au?

No biggie about the delay Mark, thanks for the update. Wouldn't say no to some more high res sprue pics and assembled/painted models to tide us over ; )

Considering the level of awesome that is going into this product, as evidenced by the pictures we have already seen so far, I can wait a little longer. It's not like my head is going to explode from sheer anticipation...or will it?

 plastictrees wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:
gogo early February arrivals!

Best Valentines Day Ever for Mrs. Scipio.au?

It probably will be, actually. But not because of any Dreamforge or Sedition Wars or RBG packages....

Deep down I knew this would probably happen, I am still amazed at how much progress has been made already though. Speaking of which, do you have any idea how long it would have taken to get to this stage without a kickstarter? After all, it seems like you went from next to nothing to gorgeous plastic molds in the space of a couple of months!

I have to echo carthasix, everything is being dealt with in a very professional manner so while I may be dissapointed, I bear no hard feeling whatsoever!

 Yonan wrote:
No biggie about the delay Mark, thanks for the update. Wouldn't say no to some more high res sprue pics and assembled/painted models to tide us over ; )

This Crusader pics when plastic one is done would be great

Yes, pictures are a good substitute for now... Especially renders of any of the later stuff, like maybe the Black Widows?

 Commander Cain wrote:
Deep down I knew this would probably happen, I am still amazed at how much progress has been made already though. Speaking of which, do you have any idea how long it would have taken to get to this stage without a kickstarter? After all, it seems like you went from next to nothing to gorgeous plastic molds in the space of a couple of months!

I have to echo carthasix, everything is being dealt with in a very professional manner so while I may be dissapointed, I bear no hard feeling whatsoever!

I agree completely with the rest of my brethren in this thread. We've got your back Mark, we're a little disappointed but I know I and probably the rest of us in here are still drooling like you have pavlov's bell on hand at the thought of our plastic crack. You've been professional and EXTREMELY transparent about this whole process with us from the very start and that honesty, letting us know exactly what's going on behind the scenes is what's making it all work out for us all.

Dreamforge is slipping. McVey is slipping. My Mantic stuff doesn't even arrive before Q2 2013. Le sigh...

If the Mayan theories are right, it wont matter. If not, then its something to look forward to. Ive been hit with worse news, so its all good.

Tyrant,

The Mayan calendar won't have any bearing on our delivery dates. This December is the end of, IIRC, the 3rd or 4th 'world' in the Mayan calendar - which was just a cycle, not the prophesied destruction of the planet.

As to the delay, well being from the UK, I was not expecting anything to arrive on my doorstep before the new year anyways, so dissapointment is kept to a minimum. I still have nothing but confidence in Mark as he has shown us all the progress so far, impressing me with every picture and render. I just hope I can do his work justice when it does arrive.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Tyrant,

The Mayan calendar won't have any bearing on our delivery dates. This December is the end of, IIRC, the 3rd or 4th 'world' in the Mayan calendar - which was just a cycle, not the prophesied destruction of the planet.
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Actually it's not, it's something like 2017 by the Mayan calender, so the cycle's already ended and rebooted. Gotta love leap years eh?

The calender of my watch ends 2099, that's when the worlds ends, honest

Can't be Kroot, I've got calendars uip to 2160 something, and can easily get further than that.

I'll try and hunt them up if I can get home over Christmas, then I can let you know what day of the week any day in history was going back to the 1900's at least, and going forward to at least 2100.

Could I, mayhaps, interest you in a new watch when the time comes, instead?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Could I, mayhaps, interest you in a new watch when the time comes, instead?

This immediately came to mind when I read that:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Could I, mayhaps, interest you in a new watch when the time comes, instead?

I'm sorry Mathieu, but if you think you can track your plastic shinyness with a WATCH, then you're sadly mistaken.

Oh god, that so reminds me of some lyrics from "The Beautiful South" which I am tempted to change my sig to.

"I bought a watch
to time your beauty
but I had to fit a Second hand"

No big deal for me, it was unlikely Id do more than open the box to check it out before the new year anyways.

In the same boat as Mad4Minis. I'd love to get it sooner, but later is just fine as my pile of unpainted will tell you.

Thanks for the updates

We should all take a picture of our piles of unpainted minis and post them here to make Mark feel better.

Who's got the biggest pile?

I know I would be in the running 1 reaver 2 thunderhawks stromeagle 100 guardmans with transports 100 or so hersey marines with 3 land raiders fellblade. and a resin levithan from dreamforge. And 4 super heavies for my guard. And the pile grows weekly I'm addicted to plastic crack.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
We should all take a picture of our piles of unpainted minis and post them here to make Mark feel better.

Who's got the biggest pile?

not me, by a long shot, but i may have the biggest bits pile! i am a crazy bits hoarder/buyer/seller/trader... i've been assembling bits to Chaos-ify my Leviathan Crusader for my CSM army. Chaos Warhound Titan for $~$70 + the cost of a few bits? yes please!

now i wish i had bitten the bullet and bought a 15mm Mortis + a couple arms when the pledge manager went up. oh well, maybe i can sweet talk another one of you loveley gentlemen with an extra one to sell it to me? or i could, dare i say it, wait until they become available outside the Kickstarter...

oh who am i kidding - i can't WAIT!

-C6

 inqscott wrote:
I know I would be in the running 1 reaver 2 thunderhawks stromeagle 100 guardmans with transports 100 or so hersey marines with 3 land raiders fellblade. and a resin levithan from dreamforge. And 4 super heavies for my guard. And the pile grows weekly I'm addicted to plastic crack.

Sorry, I've got you beat. Stompa, 2 Baneblades, 3000pts of IG, 5000pts of GKs, 2000pts of Orks, 4000pts of Red Scorpions, the contents of 4 Dark Vengeance boxes, marines from 5 Black Reach boxes I need to convert into Chaos, about 2500pts of Eldar, and three WarmaHordes armies, too. Oh, and a Dwarf and Bretonnian army stored away somewhere, plus armies for Reaper's Warlord and CAV games.

I'm a very slow painter, but a very fast buyer and assembler, apparently.

Hmmmm, I think Tannhauser might have me beat. Not by all too much, though (those KoW armies add up like nothing I've ever seen before; youch!)

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 inqscott wrote:
I know I would be in the running 1 reaver 2 thunderhawks stromeagle 100 guardmans with transports 100 or so hersey marines with 3 land raiders fellblade. and a resin levithan from dreamforge. And 4 super heavies for my guard. And the pile grows weekly I'm addicted to plastic crack.

Sorry, I've got you beat. Stompa, 2 Baneblades, 3000pts of IG, 5000pts of GKs, 2000pts of Orks, 4000pts of Red Scorpions, the contents of 4 Dark Vengeance boxes, marines from 5 Black Reach boxes I need to convert into Chaos, about 2500pts of Eldar, and three WarmaHordes armies, too. Oh, and a Dwarf and Bretonnian army stored away somewhere, plus armies for Reaper's Warlord and CAV games.

I'm a very slow painter, but a very fast buyer and assembler, apparently.

Is that all I have at least one bankers box full of stuff for each 40k army (with 3 full for Space Marines, Chaos Marines) and IG. High Elves, Orks, Dwarfs, Wood Elves, Empire, Minas Tirith . That's just the stuff out of original boxes(also have an entire 3'x2'x6' shelf of GW stuff in boxes). Then there is Trollbloods, Khador, A bankers box full of Dragons, All of Reapers Large Dragons, all of the CAV figures, A flames of War British army(to go with the painted one) and the list goes on and on including Dreamforge's Original Knight Titan Model (Reaver sized) and a scratch built Warlord Titan.

All this unpainted plastic goodness is nothing to be boasting about folks, get cracking and finish them!

Is it bad that I finished everything I own in preparation for my new Eisenkern stuff, and now it's delayed by another month? This past week has seen 25 infantrymen and 2 tanks completed, as well as the whole army based.

Oh well, at least I can put my 2000 points of Guard down on the table and have a fully converted, painted, based army.

 Joshh wrote:
Is it bad that I finished everything I own in preparation for my new Eisenkern stuff, and now it's delayed by another month? This past week has seen 25 infantrymen and 2 tanks completed, as well as the whole army based.

Oh well, at least I can put my 2000 points of Guard down on the table and have a fully converted, painted, based army.

No, not bad at all, that makes you a considerably more responsible modeler than the rest of us!

Except for those of us that like to brag about our disposable income, the only reason most of us (myself included) brag about how much unpainted stuff we have is to distract from our lack of self control and slow painting.

I you a full 4 count bow of respect for your self control and diligence.

Yes, I too have more than I can actually paint. I blame it on the logic of "Well it's Games Workshop, so we know it's not getting cheaper..."

The first wave will not even represent a 10% increase in the number of unpainted models I have based on my inventory....which is probably only 70% accurate. I don't really know what that translates to because the math to figure it out becomes very depressing (as is the fact that I need to maintain a detailed inventory of my collection to avoid buying things I already have too many of).

I do have about 50 models that are very, very close to being "finished"...so there is that at least.

You know what...I don't mind a month's delay nearly as much now...

I have my full 2000 point Space Marines army and my Infinity army to work on, and... roughly half of my Sisters of Battle army.

But I had a reason! I wasn't going to buy the Space Marines! It was just supposed to be the sisters ^^;

but then I did the points math with the current DA codex and a DV box. Doubling my SM with another DV box's worth of SM (traded for free) with a Ven. Dread, a modified Mortis Dread, one of the conversion sprues, a custom Master of the Deathwing from bits, a custom champion, and an attack bike ran me approx a dollar a point. I couldn't let that go ^^;

Yeah. no self control at all ^^;

I still have about 3-4 battle companies to paint along with half my terminator 1st company, 3 stormguppies, 5 land raiders of different styles,umteen rhinos and varients. That's just the plastic space marines. Have chaos, nids and assorted I.g. also

I'll be in the corner, trying to avoid touching any of you.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that I'm buying a ring for Christmas, so I'll have to lay low on the mini buying front. Don't we guys ever learn?

I haven't learned yet. Didn't even finish my list as I had to get off break and go back to work. When I bought my wife the engagement ring all I could think about was the 14k stood for hope many points of marine I could have bought. Before you ask I'm still happily married....she tells me so every night.

It didn't work the first time. And not because she didn't like the wargaming, though she'd have been a mite happier if I hadn't.

But this one's a keeper. Bought a one of'em crusaders, after all. Picked it's name, too. Jellybeans. It'll go over well with my Warhound, which she baptized "Mr Giggles" after seeing this:

Just found this on Facebook.

Might have been nice to get it as a backer update as well. Not everyone lives on Facebook.
/sigh

Oh my good god, those are beautiful

 scipio.au wrote:
Might have been nice to get it as a backer update as well. Not everyone lives on Facebook.
/sigh

Having said that... I agree!

I don't like it when companies update on Facebook first/only - Soda Pop has this bad habit, as does Knight Models too.

I doubt Mark is heading that route though!

Are those the 15mm leviathans? They don't look to be much more than 5 inches tall, 6 max.

Those are the full sized ones. Go to the facebook. That shot doesn't show the scale as well as one of the other ones. They are impressively large.

What is the facebook page? I tried finding it but my facebookfu is lacking this morning.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/DreamForge-Games/170122359762854

There ya go

This picture shows the Leviathan scale a bit better...

really, really regretting not getting one.

 Alpharius wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:
Might have been nice to get it as a backer update as well. Not everyone lives on Facebook.
/sigh

Sorry, but he'll never beat Agamemnon2...

 vitki wrote:
In the same boat as Mad4Minis. I'd love to get it sooner, but later is just fine as my pile of unpainted will tell you.

Thanks for the updates

I simply meant for a lack of time, not because of stuff to be done in front of it, but if I wanted to clear out my current backlog it would be a very long time.

Off the top of my head:

1/2500 Enterprise C (needs paint)
5 15mm T-34 tanks (need paint)
5 15mm M4 Sherman tanks (need paint)
12 Warriors of Chaos, new plastic style (some need paint, some still unassembled)
10+ WoC, old plastic style (same as above)
8+ Metal OOP WoC (need paint)
10 Anvil Industries Steam Knights (unassembled)
Hordes Trollblood starter (needs paint)
3 Hordes Legion beasts (need paint, 1 unassembled)
2 Hordes Warpwolves (1 needs paint, 1 unassembled)
Several fantasy figures in various stages from unassembled to needing paint.

As you can tell, I have a bad case of ADD. I buy stuff, build some of it, paint even less of it, get another cool idea and move on.


However, the Leviathan Crusader will get moved ahead of a lot of that. Im far better about finishing a single model than I am about groups similar ones.

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 vitki wrote:
In the same boat as Mad4Minis. I'd love to get it sooner, but later is just fine as my pile of unpainted will tell you.

Thanks for the updates

I simply meant for a lack of time, not because of stuff to be done in front of it, but if I wanted to clear out my current backlog it would be a very long time.

Off the top of my head:

1/2500 Enterprise C (needs paint)
5 15mm T-34 tanks (need paint)
5 15mm M4 Sherman tanks (need paint)
12 Warriors of Chaos, new plastic style (some need paint, some still unassembled)
10+ WoC, old plastic style (same as above)
8+ Metal OOP WoC (need paint)
10 Anvil Industries Steam Knights (unassembled)
Hordes Trollblood starter (needs paint)
3 Hordes Legion beasts (need paint, 1 unassembled)
2 Hordes Warpwolves (1 needs paint, 1 unassembled)
Several fantasy figures in various stages from unassembled to needing paint.

As you can tell, I have a bad case of ADD. I buy stuff, build some of it, paint even less of it, get another cool idea and move on.


However, the Leviathan Crusader will get moved ahead of a lot of that. Im far better about finishing a single model than I am about groups similar ones.

That's it? Lightweight.

I'm glad for the delay for the same reason myself. I'm planning on using my Dreadball stuff to learn to airbrush. It's the only way the huge mountain of plastic I ordered isn't going to overwhelm me.

Figure this ought to get put up;

A small update with some scale comparisons.
Update #76 · Nov. 27, 2012 · 5 comments

I apologize for the quality of the lighting and the fish eye nature of the shots but it should give you a fairly good idea.



Disclaimer: The miniatures from the other manufacturers are shown for scale comparison purposes only, all rights reserved by their owners.



First up, we have a SM and a DFG Stormtrooper, you can see with the added mass difference from the original metal miniatures, the plastic models hold up well in a scale comparison. The SM is 36mm tall from the bottom of the base to the top of the head. The Stormtrooper is 35mm tall from the bottom of the base to the top of the head.



Next is a Guard and a DFG Stormtrooper. The Stormtrooper is just a little taller but the mass of the model looks good. I used a leg set and weapons pose that closely matches the Guard so you can compare apples to apples. The Guard is 33.9mm tall from the bottom of the base to the top of the head. The Stormtrooper is 34.9mm tall from the bottom of the base to the top of the head.



Next is a Dust mini. The Stormtroopers have slightly more mass but are very close in height. The additional mass does not look out of place due to the armor difference in the miniatures, as the Stormtroopers are wearing full carapace armor. The Dust fig is 34.89mm tall from the bottom of the base to the top of the head. The Stormtroopers are 33.9mm and 35mm tall from the bottom of the base to the top of the head.



Last we have a couple of larger shots of the Stormtroopers.



To wrap things up I have a couple of images sent to me from the folks that are making this happen.

In the center, is Wai Kee, to his left, Daisy and Paul. The other people in the shot are the engineering team for WGF.



You can see some larger formats of these images here.

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/p/kickstarter-28mm-stormtroopers.html

What a fantastic update

Ha, in the first picture it looks like the stormtrooper is thinking about shooting the space marine, but in the second, he's definitely shooting the guardsman!

They've done you proud there Mark

It all looks great

roll on retail

Funny how the stormtrooper scales well with everything. Perfect for a stand in SM, IG, or Dust figure! So glad I ordered some when I did.

Yeah, the models look great... lovely and sharp.

I would be using different bases for them, though... These are going to suffer from the same problem as all those detailed resin bases out there: the flat bottom surface makes them a cow to stand on anything other than flat table.

The stormtroopers turned out absolutely beautifully. The detail is crisp, intricate and well defined. The Space Marine looks like Mr. Blobby by comparison.

Behold the face of utter, utter perfection.

Nice, very nice.
And Mark is just like us; he has unpainted space marines, too!

 Alpharius wrote:
This picture shows the Leviathan scale a bit better...

I had assumed those boxes of stormtroopers would be the same size as the Great Coats one. Which were nigh 4 inches tall, but these seem more like the regular fare from GW, so yeah, much bigger than I thought.

Well, only one more month (more or less) until January comes around and then maybe DFG can make me forget all the new Dark Angels shinies.


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Which is just as well, since I did spring for a ring, and I'll be hurting for a bit. But I'll be happy... right? RIGHT?!?!?!??!

The next time I see someone talk about GW's unparallelled quality, the urge to post


will be overwhelming...

These guys are gonna make some bitchin Sisters of battle.

All I gotta do is greenstuff a cloak/cape here, some more gothic looking backpacks, and some female heads, and I'm golden.

And sadly, they'll still be cheaper than if I bought metal sisters from GW

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
These guys are gonna make some bitchin Sisters of battle.

All I gotta do is greenstuff a cloak/cape here, some more gothic looking backpacks, and some female heads, and I'm golden.

And sadly, they'll still be cheaper than if I bought metal sisters from GW

You probably won't even need to do that, remember that the female Storm Troopers will have a full range of interchangeable weapons, you will almost certainly be able to make whatever load-out you are looking for.

Well I was going to use the 40 stormtroopers I'm getting in the mail soon as my generic sisters.

The "black widows" I'll use for some sort of special unit that I haven't decided on yet...

Celestines and Retributors (heavy weapons Sisters) seem the obvious pick for the Widows Moustaffa. That's just my perspective of course

 Buzzsaw wrote:
The next time I see someone talk about GW's unparallelled quality, the urge to post

will be overwhelming...

In fairness, that one is comparing a sprue not more than a few months old to one that dates back to what, the late 90s? I would use the IG one as its a much more recent kit and the contrast is just as stark (and again, I love the Cadian models). The DFG model looks categorically better than any shown or that I've seen in this genre, and as a hard plastic will be much more scalable than companies who produce fantastic models but never enough to offer them reliably at reasonable prices..

Where GW has prevailed is above average models at a massive production scale. Companies that compete on quality tend to fail on scale, and those with competitive scaling tend to have poorer quality sculpts overall. This is the first real combination that I feel throws down the gauntlet in the market. Assuming their prices are roughly equal, this will hopefully lead to more DFG products and move them up with the big boys in the market.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Who's got the biggest pile?

Perhaps I might.

That's maybe, maybe a 5th of my Guard army. Or a 6th. That was taken in 2006.

Also, please don't mistake my "these will make awesome sisters" for not thinking the figures have promise for a game genre of their own. Far from it. I just know that it will be a long time until the game picks up steam in my area. Once it does though, I'll have an awesome (hopefully) converted army to give it a try!

In the meantime, I'll support this company however I can, while playing an army that hasn't been supported in ages Just because the game isn't getting started in my area yet doesnt mean I cant buy awesome minis!

I feel like there's a message in there or something.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I had assumed those boxes of stormtroopers would be the same size as the Great Coats one. Which were nigh 4 inches tall, but these seem more like the regular fare from GW, so yeah, much bigger than I thought.

Extrapolating from the 30mm bases, the full-size sprues are 200x150 (8"x6") and the half-size sprues are 150x95 (6"x4").

Which is just as well, since I did spring for a ring, and I'll be hurting for a bit. But I'll be happy... right? RIGHT?!?!?!??!

What are you asking us for? From now on she's the one who decides if you're happy or not!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Who's got the biggest pile?

Perhaps I might.

That's maybe, maybe a 5th of my Guard army. Or a 6th. That was taken in 2006.

Words cannot describe how jealous I am. MULTIPLE super heavies! I mean I technically have two titans now, but I still covet a baneblade for my guard, and I want to do a baneblade conversion for my Sisters. Plus a couple more generic IG vehicles to round out my lists. A Vanquisher LRBT, a Manticore, another Basilisk, a Hellhound or two...

That's the best part about being a Guard player in my humble opinion, an unending tide of armor rolling forward to glorious victory!

@Moustaffa, I don't think any one in here doubts the viability of the coming Iron Core system. I know I personally look forward to playing Iron Core and am very pleased that my Leviathans can serve double duty for two games not just one. I think your counts as Sisters of Battle will make a sick army for Eisenkern as well. Which may make it even better, an entire army that can pull double duty? That's an epic win there. What female heads are you using for your conversions on the Storm troopers? I might take a leaf out of your book when I pick some troopers up after they hit retail.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Words cannot describe how jealous I am. MULTIPLE super heavies!

That's not all of 'em either. My complete Super-Heavy Company is:

Hellhammer x1
Stormblade x1
Baneblade x3
Shadowsword x2
Macharius x3 (1 Regular, 1 Vanquisher, 1 Vulcan Mega-Bolter)

Those pictures omit my other Russ Company (Annihilator, 3 Exterminators, 6 Demolishers). And my 12 Chimeras. And the 20 Sentinels. And the 400-ish infantry. I have a very large Guard army... I'm a bit crazy.

I like tanks, and you're right, that is the best part about the Guard, and one of the many reasons I wrote the vehicle rules for this game. (/shameless plug)

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Sorry, but he'll never beat Agamemnon2...

In light of my comments posted above, I think it's safe to say: Bite me, MGS. I give credit where credit is due, I'm not some kind of mindless automaton hatemonger.

I don't think anyone thinks that of you Aggy. You are this site's resident Eeyore though.

I was going to point out Ag's comment above, too... personally, I find his brutally honest / "call a spade a spade" critiques refreshing at times.

As for the sculpt comparison- it's one of GW's most common, so quite fair imo.

 RiTides wrote:

As for the sculpt comparison- it's one of GW's most common, so quite fair imo.

Oh there's no doubt that the Space Marine is probably THE iconic GW sculpt and the natural comparison. I'm just pointing out the very credible defense that GW produced that sculpt around 15 years ago and technology has advanced just a smidge since then. Then they could switch to saying that the marine is even in the same conversation as a hot-off-the-press sprue shows how good GW has been for a long time. GW haters aside, those things are actually true. However, they gloss over that GW designs haven't dramatically improved since then, as the Cadian pic (which isn't a spring chicken either) illustrates. They're better now, sure, but no where near what Mark is bringing to the table in plastic. It'd be more interesting and fair to compare the new raptors or dark vengeance marines; the Chosen probably compete on details, but fall flat on versatility.

Thanks HBMC for making me feel better about my pile. I only have five super-heavies, so clearly I'm not the craziest for IG at least. I probably win on number of armies though...

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, the models look great... lovely and sharp.

I would be using different bases for them, though... These are going to suffer from the same problem as all those detailed resin bases out there: the flat bottom surface makes them a cow to stand on anything other than flat table.

Insaniak, try using the ones from Anvil Industries then.


Not actually used them yet, but certainly not a flat bottom surface, and they say they can stand on most surfaces.

I would be totally turned off by the idea of having so much gray plastic left in my army. I saw some eldar in there as well? It's a good thing airbrushes exist.

I was thinking about using them as SoB as well, but the lack of female heads on the market has me a bit turned off. I can't wait to try these out in a proper Iron Core game. Speaking of which, anyone know when the design board is supposed to open up?


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Also, anyone notice that those Chinese arcologies seem to be skimping on interior decoration? Sure, white looks clean, but a a splash of colour, maybe a painting or a framed poster?

Haha I thought that, too

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I would be totally turned off by the idea of having so much gray plastic left in my army.

TBH eventually you don't notice it. It becomes 'the norm', so you don't see it that way.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I saw some eldar in there as well? It's a good thing airbrushes exist.

You mean these three photos. Not my army (at the time). Now that army's been broken up into about 5 pieces, and I have about 3k-ish of it.

Can someone link directly to the picture scale picture of the big walker next to a person. I found the facebook page, but not that particular pic.

Oh, and the troopers look awesome. I really don't like the larger bases but that's an easy fix.

 insaniak wrote:

I would be using different bases for them, though... These are going to suffer from the same problem as all those detailed resin bases out there: the flat bottom surface makes them a cow to stand on anything other than flat table.

I must be the only person in this hemisphere with a drill press and ten seconds of time to bore out the bottom of my resin bases.

 Grundz wrote:
I must be the only person in this hemisphere with a drill press and ten seconds of time to bore out the bottom of my resin bases.

2 things there... I'm not in the same hemisphere as you
And the fact that you can alter them to be better doesn't change the fact that the way they come has issues. Personally, I would find it easier to just make my own scenic bases on standard plastics rather than paying all that money for resins and having to bore out the bottoms.

And for the actual topic at hand, looking at how thin these bases are, boring out the bottom doesn't really look like a practical option.

 insaniak wrote:

2 things there... I'm not in the same hemisphere as you
And the fact that you can alter them to be better doesn't change the fact that the way they come has issues. Personally, I would find it easier to just make my own scenic bases on standard plastics rather than paying all that money for resins and having to bore out the bottoms.

Yeah, life is rather hard when the world doesn't cater to your every whim.

 insaniak wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
I must be the only person in this hemisphere with a drill press and ten seconds of time to bore out the bottom of my resin bases.

2 things there... I'm not in the same hemisphere as you
And the fact that you can alter them to be better doesn't change the fact that the way they come has issues. Personally, I would find it easier to just make my own scenic bases on standard plastics rather than paying all that money for resins and having to bore out the bottoms.

And for the actual topic at hand, looking at how thin these bases are, boring out the bottom doesn't really look like a practical option.

You are correct, thats why they do not have a dished bottom, the thickness is about 2mm thick where the mini slots, simply not enough space to provide a hollow area large enough to make any difference. This was a side effect of making a thinner base so the figures could keep their bulk but still keep human proportions while looking correct next to a wider verity (read heroic scale) of miniatures

Thank you for all the feedback everyone! I am Sooooooo happy you like the way they turned out.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I I can't wait to try these out in a proper Iron Core game. Speaking of which, anyone know when the design board is supposed to open up?


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Hey Mathieu, I am still elbow deep in work to complete all the Kickstarter models for production and the mountain of box artwork. I will not be able to get to this until we have completed my #1 priority of getting all of you your KS rewards.... I thought about setting something up now but I want to be able to dedicate some time and interact with everyone, so I decided it may be better to wait until I can give it more time and attention.

Cheers,
Mark

Mark, I think you are on the right track, stay the course.

agreed, its kind of nice to see someone focusing on getting his current kickstarter out the door before moving onto the next thing...anyone that wants to discuss the game can come hang out in this thread with us!

Yes, Mark we really appreciate your staying dedicated to getting all the Kickstarter models out (and getting your models up for sale separately, too!). I think having work on the rules follow on after when you can devote more time to it (and folks have models to try it out with!) is the way to go, as you say.


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Eilif wrote:
Can someone link directly to the picture scale picture of the big walker next to a person. I found the facebook page, but not that particular pic.

Oh, and the troopers look awesome. I really don't like the larger bases but that's an easy fix.

Egad... that really IS large! (Meaning the outer diameter) That can't only be 30mm, can it?

I'll probably get some more proxie models bases to use for these... since I want them to be usable for 40K, too.

Mark, is it just that they would not fit on a 25mm diameter base?

I wasn't trying to be pushy, I was just trying to see if there is genuine interest in fleshing out that system.

Because I tell you right now, I need someone to help me understand the different infantry formations. Mark, you can keep on doing your awesome work!

Am I right in assuming that scenery is either going to be sparce, or a lack of template weapons will allow us to keep our minis rather bunched up to ease movement?

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, Mark we really appreciate your staying dedicated to getting all the Kickstarter models out (and getting your models up for sale separately, too!). I think having work on the rules follow on after when you can devote more time to it (and folks have models to try it out with!) is the way to go, as you say.


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Eilif wrote:
Can someone link directly to the picture scale picture of the big walker next to a person. I found the facebook page, but not that particular pic.

Oh, and the troopers look awesome. I really don't like the larger bases but that's an easy fix.

Egad... that really IS large! (Meaning the outer diameter) That can't only be 30mm, can it?

I'll probably get some more proxie models bases to use for these... since I want them to be usable for 40K, too.

Mark, is it just that they would not fit on a 25mm diameter base?

Looking at this comparison shot;


The stormtrooper I would say will clearly fit on a GW sized base, but because of the added height, he'd be a few millimeters taller then a marine.

Right, which is great for me and I don't mind the model being a hair taller than a marine.

 Grundz wrote:
Yeah, life is rather hard when the world doesn't cater to your every whim.

The what to the who now?

I wasn't complaining about it being 'hard'. I was mentioning that the design of the bases isn't ideal. Hyperbole can be left at the door... I'm not likely to lose sleep over the whole thing.

Yeah, the downside is that with that large diameter (which probably helps offset the fact that they're flat on the bottom) a lot of people probably won't use the bases. But, with a smaller diameter they would've needed to not be flat on the bottom, and thus taller.

I think he took a good stab at it, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see them... but I'll likely want 40K legal bases, so 25mm diameter.

 ironicsilence wrote:
agreed, its kind of nice to see someone focusing on getting his current kickstarter out the door before moving onto the next thing...anyone that wants to discuss the game can come hang out in this thread with us!

Agreed. Absolute credit to you for this.


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 RiTides wrote:
Right, which is great for me and I don't mind the model being a hair taller than a marine.

Yep. As long as they're not Dystopian Legions-level out of scale, I'll be happy with them on GW bases. Or Proxie Models ones.

Those pics look really impressive, they've done an excellent job with the tooling work. I'm quite blown away by this and wishing I'd been able to toss in on the KS. Having Zombicide & Sedition Wars so close together totally nuked my gaming budget for a while.

Eilif wrote:Can someone link directly to the picture scale picture of the big walker next to a person. I found the facebook page, but not that particular pic.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/76248519/15mm%20Leviathan%20Crusader.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/76248519/15mm%20Leviathan%20Crusader%202.png

RiTides wrote:Yeah, the downside is that with that large diameter (which probably helps offset the fact that they're flat on the bottom) a lot of people probably won't use the bases. But, with a smaller diameter they would've needed to not be flat on the bottom, and thus taller.

I think he took a good stab at it, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see them... but I'll likely want 40K legal bases, so 25mm diameter.

I'm thinking likewise. Easier to add a ring/circle to bump 'em up 5mm (or 15mm and a shield drone for makin' termies) or just leave them spaced out a bit, and less likely to have issues with using non-standard base sizes in an Iron Core game than in a WH40K one. Plus the Stormtroopers are kinda swimmin' around on the 30s. I would like to use 25s in that style though since it's smexy and I don't care about stability, mental or otherwise. I'm guessing (hoping) the bases-intermixed-with-the-figures is just a convenience for production and handling – from Mark's comments the physical tooling costs sound likely to be low enough* to justify this and anyway, unless the sprue bushing can be moved slightly off-centre, which may not be possible on those machines (but what do I know; injection moulding isn't my field of engineering) the sprue couldn't be divided into a half-spue of figures and a half-sprue of bases anyway (the layout's actually pretty good, empty spaces notwithstanding, but certainly, like everything else, a step-up from WGFs previous work in that regard *cough* missing tantos *cough*), but I ramble and digress – and that they'll be available seperately.

RiTides wrote:Mark, is it just that they would not fit on a 25mm diameter base?

I did this a while back to see how 25mm bases would work. You wouldn't be able to use the foot-peg with the kneeling (Stormtroopers) or assaulting (Heavy Troopers) poses – quelle horreur! – but otherwise they look like they'd fit fine. SMs hang a bit off the edge of a 25mm anyway:



*Which reminds me: everyone still have a fancy for plastic shipping containers à la AT-43? Mould design should be dead simple for those, so if the tooling costs really are low enough...

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Mark, I was going to wait until after the first wave had shipped to raise this but with the delays I may as well do it now: what's the best way to contact you guys regarding shipping/invoicing instructions? There was no 'write random stuff here' field in the pledge manager – and no 'add $15 so you can split across multiple packages to slip under the de minimus for customs fees without having to create a separate order and lose any multiple-unit discounts' either, come to think of it – and I could be looking at a couple of hundred dollars in customs fees depending on where the NZD-USD exchange rate is when the packages arrive if they're just sent with an invoice in USD rather than in NZD at the then-current exchange rate of 0.81 so, you know, litle anxious here.

If you don't like the bases that come with them and feel that GW bases would be too thick, Wargames Factory sells 2mm thick, 25mm diameter bases cheap, cheap, cheap - http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/individual-sprues-and-bases/25-mm-round-bases.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I wasn't trying to be pushy, I was just trying to see if there is genuine interest in fleshing out that system.

Because I tell you right now, I need someone to help me understand the different infantry formations. Mark, you can keep on doing your awesome work!

Am I right in assuming that scenery is either going to be sparse, or a lack of template weapons will allow us to keep our minis rather bunched up to ease movement?

No need to apologize - I too was hoping for more info on the proposed game system!

I'm more than ready to find something else other than 40K, especially with the disappointment that is 6th edition.

Of course, it is going to be a while until we have enough faction variety to make it truly interesting...

That comparison shot between the Stormtrooper and Space Marine... man. I feel like I've wasted the money that I've put into GW products. It's not like I didn't realize there were better sculpts out there, but for whatever reason that shot just really made GW look mediocre.

 Gitkikka wrote:
If you don't like the bases that come with them and feel that GW bases would be too thick, Wargames Factory sells 2mm thick, 25mm diameter bases cheap, cheap, cheap - http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/individual-sprues-and-bases/25-mm-round-bases.

Or Renedra
http://renedra.co.uk/webstore.html#

 Lansirill wrote:
That comparison shot between the Stormtrooper and Space Marine... man. I feel like I've wasted the money that I've put into GW products. It's not like I didn't realize there were better sculpts out there, but for whatever reason that shot just really made GW look mediocre.

Amazing isnt it?

Not only is Dreamforge making a plastic titan scale robot/mech/walker, something that GW wont, despite constant customer begging...but they are also releasing plastic troopers that put GW minis to shame.

Even better...this is all just the start, there is so much more in the Dreamforge world waiting to be done.

I seriously think this will be the dawn of a new age of mini wargaming. Behold the future!