Roughing in Ada
Here you can see Ada as a WIP, she looks a little thick but trust me, when she is made into a real world object she will appear trimmer. It’s just one of those things about the translation from CAD to a physical model, what looks right on the screen will look too thin when you have it in your hands.
I have tried not to make the model too effeminate, no chainmail bikinis here, these are soldiers! I tweaked the profile, the hips are wider, the feet are smaller the shoulders more narrow and she is slightly smaller overall when compared to the male stormtroopers.
I will post more later as she nears completion.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Oh my God that's horrible I want to cancel my entire pledge right now!!!
(/typical Dakka KS over-reaction)
Sorry, I'm just preempting the people who will scream bloody murder that the model doesn't 100% match the sketch. Personally I think it looks fine!
Heh, I was about to say that is one of the most amazingly faithful transitions I have ever seen!
The proportions look just amazing: subtle, but a definite feminine quality to the bodywork.
A question; have you tried a version without the integrated belt/suspenders element? It does give her a slight square-ness to the torso, I'm wondering what she would look like without the vertical elements.
To think, all it took for plastic, armored females was... a start-up company and the power of the internet.
I think it's a pretty brilliant start. I'd have to throw a box or two of the "Black Widows" onto my order when the pledge comes I think mixing them in with the normal troops will be awesome and make for a nice, diverse force.
Buzzsaw wrote: Heh, I was about to say that is one of the most amazingly faithful transitions I have ever seen!
The proportions look just amazing: subtle, but a definite feminine quality to the bodywork.
A question; have you tried a version without the integrated belt/suspenders element? It does give her a slight square-ness to the torso, I'm wondering what she would look like without the vertical elements.
To think, all it took for plastic, armored females was... a start-up company and the power of the internet.
This is a great post
And I highlighted the part I'm curious about, too. I think it is looking great! But if anything needs a bit of tweaking, it's the torso. From the waist down I think you've nailed it, and the rest is looking good.
nemesis5490 wrote: hey loving the news about this and so cant wait to get the figures im just wondering if anyone can tell me how the game works or who are the bad guys
please forgive my ignorance lol
The Iron Core game is still in it's infancy. There will be one developed and playtested, but it's only bare bones as of now.
Check out the Dream-Forge Games website for Faction information. The only real bad guys are the Shadokesh and the Dar-Hazier alien races. Everyone hates Shadokesh, and Dar-Hazier are opportunistic predators.
Unless there is drastic abuse, I do think they'll be quite happy to sell more stuff. Drops in the ocean, so to speak.
You should be glad, MrMoustaffa, it'll give you time to add the stuff you wanted! :-)
When you think about it, November is really just around the corner...
That's the thing. i thought I was safe from buying more. Now they tell me I may have another month to add on to the pledge? My wallet! It hurts!
Also, those new renders are awesome
Also, How varied will the poses on the black widows be? Will they be fairly monopose, or will they have a bit of variety and customization (like the regular stormtroopers.) Also, will you be trying to make them compatible with the extra bits pack?
Reason why is I'm on the fence between ordering a couple more black widow squads, or just buying some more regular stormtroopers, and customization is what will be the "dealbreaker" for me. If I can make them nice and varied, awesome. If not, no biggie, but I'll probably only get one box.
Speaking of which, it mentions on the kickstarter page that you only get 1 free upgrade pack after your first $39 worth of stormtroopers. However, on the calculator, it shows you getting one free pack for every 20 you buy (I.E. I got the hold the line deal, and it said I was due for 2 upgrade packs) Which of these is "correct"? I'm cool either way, but if I only get 1 no matter how many dudes I buy, I need to know so I can add another 20 bucks or so for the relevant upgrade packs.
And finally, in that heavy valkir package (the one with the heavy weapons) you only get 1 of each weapon right? Not 5 of each? Which would mean they all have a different weapon right?
AGH I want to buy so much why whywhywhywhywhywhywhywhywhywhy
I suppose I need to add another squad of Black Widows to my pledge. 20 bad ass girls with Ada at the head of the platoon? Yes. Please. Dammnit.
At this point I'm just getting paranoid because I think Mark's been reading my Diary or has gotten ahold of some of my letters to Santa Claus, affordable titan scale models, female infantry that look great/effeminate without being oversexualized/bad ass? The only way I could be happier is if they get to me sooner then currently projected!
MrMoustaffa wrote: Wait, those giant robot things are the same size as a titan? I mean, I knew they were big, but I didn't know they were THAT big.
How big is a reaver titan then? 8" or so? I thought all the GW titans were a lot bigger than that.
The FW titan line starts with Warhounds at about 10" counting stacks as I recall, the Leviathan Crusader comes in at 8.5" so it's in a similar weight class to a warhound. I believe a lot of people (myself included) are purchasing 28mm Leviathans specifically as Warhound counts-as.
Commander Cain wrote: Now how tricky was that? In only a few days Mark manages to make one of the only realistic, well proportioned female plastics on the market today!
Great work man, very impressed with the work so far!
Mark must be the lost fifth chaos god. I mean if he can design realistic scifi female troops in near days to satisfy the desires of the gaming community, he must be omnipotent. GW after all has been working on the same thing for years with no success......unless they've been lying to us about new sisters of battle.
Love the Ada render, but without the lines the male figure has on his thigh armour, hers give the impression of thunder thighs, at least from that angle. The proportions seem right for armour, just it doesn't really seem like armour being that smooth maybe.
Must resist adding even more troops to my order.... I'm largely sorted for infantry (over 200) but is 3 APC's enough? Should I add some walkers? Curse these sweet models!
MrMoustaffa: You get an accessory pack for every 20-man troop you buy. I do not see why they wouldn't be compatible with the ladies, I think I read that you can equip the black widows with regular rifles, I would assume submachine guns as well, then.
T'was a good question about the poseability of the black widows. Again, since he made everything modular, I'm assuming they will be. Ada seems to be the only monopose fig.
Yonan: Mark explained that the renders look thicker, because the product always comes out thinner.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: MrMoustaffa: You get an accessory pack for every 20-man troop you buy. I do not see why they wouldn't be compatible with the ladies, I think I read that you can equip the black widows with regular rifles, I would assume submachine guns as well, then.
T'was a good question about the poseability of the black widows. Again, since he made everything modular, I'm assuming they will be. Ada seems to be the only monopose fig.
Yonan: Mark explained that the renders look thicker, because the product always comes out thinner.
The little voice in my head that likes spending money says these girls would make excellent Celestines/Stormtroopers (IG) so I desire flamer bitz for them for use as multi-meltas
Mathieu Raymond wrote: MrMoustaffa: You get an accessory pack for every 20-man troop you buy. I do not see why they wouldn't be compatible with the ladies, I think I read that you can equip the black widows with regular rifles, I would assume submachine guns as well, then.
T'was a good question about the poseability of the black widows. Again, since he made everything modular, I'm assuming they will be. Ada seems to be the only monopose fig.
Yonan: Mark explained that the renders look thicker, because the product always comes out thinner.
The little voice in my head that likes spending money says these girls would make excellent Celestines/Stormtroopers (IG) so I desire flamer bitz for them for use as multi-meltas
Yeah I'm going to add on another 20 guys to my deal so I can make some regular old stormtroopers too. On the fence about a second black widow unit.
I REALLY want them, but the question is do I want them more than everything else
After seeing the prices for the new chaos monstrous walkers I'm going to be down for another 3 15mm fellas. Even with 2 extra weapons each they are 2/3's the price. And since the new models look awfully tall I think it's gonna be perfect!
Excellent work, Mark. The WIP shot of Ada looks great. Something about the facial expression seems a bit off to me, though, but I can't quite figure out why.
The rifle is a magnetic linear accelerator (the barrel housing contains coils) so it should be rather plain as it is just a covering.
In game terms it’s a ‘Capacitor Rifle’ each shell is a highly charged capacitor with a ballistic tip coated in Nano fibers. The capacitor charge powers up the coils in the barrel and accelerates the projectile much faster than conventional solid or liquid combustibles. It will punch a small hole through very thick armor. A nasty rifle with a big kick, the Valkir use a similar weapon but they ware power armor and have considerably more mass to deal with the recoil. Ada has learned how to lean into the shot and lock her body into position, When the round is discharged she will remain standing but is driven back a foot or two.
Love the background for it... but it doesn't mean it can't have a racing pin-stripe or two (doesn't have to be that, obviously, but even a small surface detail added somewhere, perhaps around the end, could do a lot for it!)
NoseGoblin wrote: The rifle is a magnetic linear accelerator (the barrel housing contains coils) so it should be rather plain as it is just a covering.
In game terms it’s a ‘Capacitor Rifle’ each shell is a highly charged capacitor with a ballistic tip coated in Nano fibers. The capacitor charge powers up the coils in the barrel and accelerates the projectile much faster than conventional solid or liquid combustibles. It will punch a small hole through very thick armor. A nasty rifle with a big kick, the Valkir use a similar weapon but they ware power armor and have considerably more mass to deal with the recoil. Ada has learned how to lean into the shot and lock her body into position, When the round is discharged she will remain standing but is driven back a foot or two.
Heh, I'm impressed by the depth of thought that went into the design, but if the interest is in realism, wouldn't a weapon such as you describe be either impossible/impractical to fire from the shoulder while standing? Actually, in fairness, even excluding the (immense) recoil, that gun is amazingly unbalanced, giving the appearance of having a huge amount of the weapon's mass beyond her resting hand. In order to balance such a weapon while standing, she would have to lean way back, not forward.
All that is by way of saying, perhaps in the interest of both sculptural spice and ergonomics, slap a bipod/monopod on there, so that it could be imagined being shot from a prone/kneeling position. This is in keeping with the real-life analogues, things like 50-calibur anti-material rifles... which are also (to the best of my knowledge) fired from a bipod and prone position.
NoseGoblin wrote: The rifle is a magnetic linear accelerator (the barrel housing contains coils) so it should be rather plain as it is just a covering.
In game terms it’s a ‘Capacitor Rifle’ each shell is a highly charged capacitor with a ballistic tip coated in Nano fibers. The capacitor charge powers up the coils in the barrel and accelerates the projectile much faster than conventional solid or liquid combustibles. It will punch a small hole through very thick armor. A nasty rifle with a big kick, the Valkir use a similar weapon but they ware power armor and have considerably more mass to deal with the recoil. Ada has learned how to lean into the shot and lock her body into position, When the round is discharged she will remain standing but is driven back a foot or two.
Heh, I'm impressed by the depth of thought that went into the design, but if the interest is in realism, wouldn't a weapon such as you describe be either impossible/impractical to fire from the shoulder while standing? Actually, in fairness, even excluding the (immense) recoil, that gun is amazingly unbalanced, giving the appearance of having a huge amount of the weapon's mass beyond her resting hand. In order to balance such a weapon while standing, she would have to lean way back, not forward.
All that is by way of saying, perhaps in the interest of both sculptural spice and ergonomics, slap a bipod/monopod on there, so that it could be imagined being shot from a prone/kneeling position. This is in keeping with the real-life analogues, things like 50-calibur anti-material rifles... which are also (to the best of my knowledge) fired from a bipod and prone position.
Magnificent model, just an odd duck of a gun.
Right you are...
The stormtrooper armor is not power armor in the sense of a completely enclosed unit where each component is joined to the next, but they are ‘power assisted’, that muscular structure you see in the under suit is supposed to represent a synthetic muscle of sorts that encases the troopers in an under suit and allows the troopers to lift and carry much more weight than you or I. Using a ungainly weapon should not be an issue and the shock from heavy recoil would be mostly absorbed as the suit distributed the effect over a large area as the synthetic muscle momentarily stiffens to deal with the shock.
NoseGoblin wrote: The rifle is a magnetic linear accelerator (the barrel housing contains coils) so it should be rather plain as it is just a covering.
In game terms it’s a ‘Capacitor Rifle’ each shell is a highly charged capacitor with a ballistic tip coated in Nano fibers. The capacitor charge powers up the coils in the barrel and accelerates the projectile much faster than conventional solid or liquid combustibles. It will punch a small hole through very thick armor. A nasty rifle with a big kick, the Valkir use a similar weapon but they ware power armor and have considerably more mass to deal with the recoil. Ada has learned how to lean into the shot and lock her body into position, When the round is discharged she will remain standing but is driven back a foot or two.
Heh, I'm impressed by the depth of thought that went into the design, but if the interest is in realism, wouldn't a weapon such as you describe be either impossible/impractical to fire from the shoulder while standing? Actually, in fairness, even excluding the (immense) recoil, that gun is amazingly unbalanced, giving the appearance of having a huge amount of the weapon's mass beyond her resting hand. In order to balance such a weapon while standing, she would have to lean way back, not forward.
All that is by way of saying, perhaps in the interest of both sculptural spice and ergonomics, slap a bipod/monopod on there, so that it could be imagined being shot from a prone/kneeling position. This is in keeping with the real-life analogues, things like 50-calibur anti-material rifles... which are also (to the best of my knowledge) fired from a bipod and prone position.
Magnificent model, just an odd duck of a gun.
Right you are...
The stormtrooper armor is not power armor in the sense of a completely enclosed unit where each component is joined to the next, but they are ‘power assisted’, that muscular structure you see in the under suit is supposed to represent a synthetic muscle of sorts that encases the troopers in an under suit and allows the troopers to lift and carry much more weight than you or I. Using a ungainly weapon should not be an issue and the shock from heavy recoil would be mostly absorbed as the suit distributed the effect over a large area as the synthetic muscle momentarily stiffens to deal with the shock.
Actually, it's a common cinematic misconception that "if only you were strong enough you could X", in this case, if only she were strong enough she could stand with that rifle at her shoulder. Similarly, if only she was strong enough, she could stand still when hit by the recoil.
The problem is, of course, that it's nothing to do with strength, and everything to do with distribution of weight.
Imagine, for example, she is not a human, but a statue made of some mysterious material 100 times as strong as human muscle, but the same weight. Could she hold that rifle at he shoulder standing upright? Of course not. Not because of strength, but because her center of gravity is way, way out in front of her. In order to counterbalance, she would have to put one foot under the rifle, extending it as far as she could while lowering herself on the other, shifting her center of gravity forward so she doesn't topple over by moving her body under the rifle.
Could that work? It would be crazy awkward (and why, in reality, people use tripods/bipods/monopods and shoot from the prone position), but it might be possible.
Unfortunately, the position she would have to be in to balance the rifle would be exactly opposite the position she would have to be in to not topple over from the recoil. Again, imagine she is totally rigid and arbitrarily strong: she fires a weapon that has a recoil strong enough to push her back several feet. The result? She falls flat on her back (presumably to the guffaws of soldier that know better then to try and fire an anti-tank weapon standing straight up).
Why? Quite simple, at the moment the recoil hits her shoulders, her feet are engaged with the ground. The force of ground friction at her feet is moving forward, the force of recoil is moving back at her shoulder: even if we assume she is capable of becoming completely rigid, the only likely result is that she rotates around her waist and spins end over end.
Could she possibly be in a position that satisfies both requirements? Yes, sorta. She could have one foot way in front, the other way in back... basically, she would have to be doing the splits. Personally, I think the bipod and the prone position would be more dignified, but... *shrug*
EDIT: Just to point out, I'm not arguing solely for the sake of being a gun-nut/interest of physics, I really think that gun could benefit from some sort of mount on the end. It's kinda... sausage-like at the moment.
Vain wrote: Physics can appear pretty messed up sometimes.
Spoiler:
I'll take "Rule of Cool" and "Junk-Science" most days of the week.
That's a great example of center-of-gravity/mass actually. Basically, Ada would have to be doing that with her legs (say, 130 degree angle?).
Remember though, I prefaced my comments with "if the interest is in realism"; if the interest isn't realism, then it's magic and shut-up that makes it work. It's a great model regardless (although, sausage), I'm just pointing out something that I think would work both from a sculptural and realistic POV.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: KalashnikovMarine: It is a long way off, but I might be able to send them bitz your way. I'll make a sticky note in my brain.
Would make my... random day in may if you did. XD
I don't think any of us are going in where so I'm sure we can all wheel and deal. Sounds like Ava has a special weapon unique to her so the Blackwidows might surprise us with their weapons options already.
Buzzsaw wrote: It's a great model regardless (although, sausage), I'm just pointing out something that I think would work both from a sculptural and realistic POV.
And taking into account what Mark said about it just being a cover, the weight may not be as much toward the end of the barrel as people think. However, Mark, how about running a groove along the length of it either top and bottom or each side? At least that way it gives a little extra interest and shows a method of opening the cover up for maintenance. Whether you go top/bottom or sides depends on which is easier for you to mould.
RiTides wrote: Love the background for it... but it doesn't mean it can't have a racing pin-stripe or two (doesn't have to be that, obviously, but even a small surface detail added somewhere, perhaps around the end, could do a lot for it!)
Agreed - "Rule of cool" applies. She looks great, the weapon does not. Let's not get too tied up with "realism" when the main weapons of the factions are giant walking bipedal robots.....
As a student studying 3d sculpting, I LOVE these updates! Keep them coming! If there's anyway we could see a wireframe of the the finished ones, I'd be in heaven.
Are Ada's arms going to be like the stormtroopers where the supporting hand is attached to the arm not the gun? If so I can live with the gun otherwise please add some sort of detail.
The reason I ask is because when doing a barrel swap, gun - barrel = easy, on the flip side hand - barrel = pain in the rear.
That's exactly what I was thinking... if her supporting left hand and arm are cast as their own piece (with the gun being attached to the trigger hand instead) then this will be an easy fix for anyone who wants to swap barrels
I hope that's possible, as I'm planning on using her as a sniper in my IG platoon (made up of stormtroopers ) so was thinking to put on a long and thinner barrel.
Maybe venting of some kind on her barrel? Coilguns IRL have heat issues don't they? Also maybe a scope or optic wouldn't be amiss. I really do get the sniper vibe off her. Also the ridiculous bad ass vibe. Holy crap how hard core do you have to be to regularly fire a weapon that's recoil kicks you back TWO FEET and that's only if you have a stable position, and the average person who uses it is not only larger then you but wears a full suit of power armor. That's Ava and possibly the Black Widows looking every single Valkir or power armored soldier right in the eye and not evening having to call them pussies.
Have I mentioned how happy I am to get legit female sci-fi troopers that look awesome in 28mm?
I agree about adding a scope. I think that would look great. Maybe some venting or something on the barrel would make it more interesting.
Are we going to get more information on the Black Widow squad before the survey goes out? I'd really like to know that will be included, what they will be armed with, etc. Will they all have those large anti-tank guns? Will any of them? Or will they have the standard rifles? It does call them tank hunters, so I'm curious about what will be included.
any ETA on the surveys? the KS has been done for 5 days and, amazing though it may seem, not all 782 kickstarter backers are in this thread looking at updates
Charax wrote: any ETA on the surveys? the KS has been done for 5 days and, amazing though it may seem, not all 782 kickstarter backers are in this thread looking at updates
reaper's KS has been done for about a month now, still no surveys. Just hold on to your pants and don't get your knickers in a bunch. It'l come when it comes.
Charax wrote: any ETA on the surveys? the KS has been done for 5 days and, amazing though it may seem, not all 782 kickstarter backers are in this thread looking at updates
Amazon payments take 7 days after the KS to (try) and collect the money
After than KS take up to 14 more days (usually at least 7) to process it and take their cut before passing the remainder and the backer details on to the project creator
So it's going to be a couple of weeks before the survey process can start
(and that's assuming Mark or WGF has the software written, it's taking Reaper much longer than they thought, It took CMON longer than they thought and all they had to do was modifiy their program Zombicide program for Sedition Wars)
True, but the relatively shorter window of time between the end of this KS and the first phase of goodies means we ought to see it sooner rather than later.
Here are a couple of screen grabs from a Skype conversation today. The picture quality is moderate but should give you an idea of the details they were able to capture. Wai Kee will be sending me a set of legs and I will get you some clearer shots once I have them in my grubby little hands
WGF is working on the pledge manager coding and we hope to have it available, barring any issues, by Thursday of next week. As you can see the production side is moving forward regardless of the pledge manager, so I would ask for your understanding as they work out the coding and test the pledge manager.
Shouldnt she have a scopw, or at least iron sights? :p
No cheek weld for a scope or iron sights... The armor is too bulky to use sights. The sniper units have a flip up display on the side of the rifle; I could not fit that here due to the pose and how close it is to the chest, so it needs to be a sci-fi, techno babble explanation with some sort of holographic or retinal projection of a targeting system. You are welcome to kitbash whatever you want
Shouldnt she have a scopw, or at least iron sights? :p
No cheek weld for a scope or iron sights... The armor is too bulky to use sights. The sniper units have a flip up display on the side of the rifle; I could not fit that here due to the pose and how close it is to the chest, so it needs to be a sci-fi, techno babble explanation with some sort of holographic or retinal projection of a targeting system. You are welcome to kitbash whatever you want
<3 I love how you've actually gone through and worked out if it's even possible to get a proper cheek weld with a rifle in this gear.
Gun looks super now Mark. That extra detail is perfect!
Those plastic parts... Wow, I knew they were supposed to be just as good as the resin kits but I always thought that they would come down in quality ever so slightly. But no! If anything details look a tad sharper due to the nice clean edges, this bodes very well for the rest of the model!
Shouldnt she have a scopw, or at least iron sights? :p
No cheek weld for a scope or iron sights... The armor is too bulky to use sights. The sniper units have a flip up display on the side of the rifle; I could not fit that here due to the pose and how close it is to the chest, so it needs to be a sci-fi, techno babble explanation with some sort of holographic or retinal projection of a targeting system. You are welcome to kitbash whatever you want
Just you wait until i have that dev forum access tough guy!
Maybe I missed the infos, but for the ladies, will it be possible to mix them in with the normal troopers? So your squad can have both boys an girls? or will they just be a one special unit?
Necros wrote: Maybe I missed the infos, but for the ladies, will it be possible to mix them in with the normal troopers? So your squad can have both boys an girls? or will they just be a one special unit?
I will try to outfit them with some variation. You need to get your tank killers to the target and to do that you need a good variation of weapons.
Will the weapon be unique to her, or will it be available in Valkir or Black Widow kits?
To be honest, I have not decided.. I know they will have AT rifles but perhaps not the coil gun 'Capacitor Rifle', Ada is supposed to be something special
I think he was asking if they could mix into a normal stormtrooper unit... but it is fantastic to hear they'll get a variety of weapons
I'll have a lot of leftover guns from the accessory sprues I think, so if the ladies' guns aren't too integral to the model, I can probably do some easy conversions (I imagine the arms won't be able to swap on directly since they might be shorter on the female models, but at least the guns themselves should be usable ).
Moopy wrote: As a student studying 3d sculpting, I LOVE these updates! Keep them coming! If there's anyway we could see a wireframe of the the finished ones, I'd be in heaven.
No wire frames to show you, Rhino is a NURBS modeler, so no mesh is used.
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RiTides wrote: I think he was asking if they could mix into a normal stormtrooper unit... but it is fantastic to hear they'll get a variety of weapons
I'll have a lot of leftover guns from the accessory sprues I think, so if the ladies' guns aren't too integral to the model, I can probably do some easy conversions (I imagine the arms won't be able to swap on directly since they might be shorter on the female models, but at least the guns themselves should be usable ).
Ahh I see, yes, no reason men and woman would not serve in the same unit. As far as the conversion, the parts should work fine.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Forgot to mention.... Ada will be a multi part plastic just like the Stormtrooper sets ENJOY!
NoseGoblin wrote: Barrel detail. I hope you like it because I am done with the revisions on Ada
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Ah, artists! Gotta have her standing while she shoots her suicide gun eh?
Seriously though, much better (still looks like a sausage, but a better kind of sausage... a merguez, perhaps, rather then a ballpark frank); but the female troopers are compatible with the upgrade arms for normal troops? Outstanding!
NoseGoblin wrote: Barrel detail. I hope you like it because I am done with the revisions on Ada
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Ah, artists! Gotta have her standing while she shoots her suicide gun eh?
Seriously though, much better (still looks like a sausage, but a better kind of sausage... a merguez, perhaps, rather then a ballpark frank); but the female troopers are compatible with the upgrade arms for normal troops? Outstanding!
LOL Buzzsaw..
It should be said that the arms will not look right, the female ST have smaller arms. but the accessories, packs etc. should work out fine. I will provide enough arms in the female box set to deal with having a nice selection to choose from.
Ada's just so awesome I HAD to write some fluff... word of warning this is probably in horrible need of an editor and to be beaten into line with the proper Eisenkern rank structure and the like. I ended up using terminology from the Bundeswehr/Herr because I guessed they'd be a little similar at least. I also made it kinda generic by necessity. I wasn't sure what to call a Keilerkopf APC with the Stuka zu Fuss upgrade for example, and I didn't want to use any of the factions specifically simply because we don't have enough information on them.
Spoiler:
1700 Hours
Ambush Position Gamma 7
This frozen canyon had to be one of the most miserable hellholes she'd ever had the pleasure of serving her people. She took a final drag of the rough tobacco, herr issue, probably less painful to get shot then keep smoking them but they all still managed. She surveyed the steep and craggy cliff faces below her, uninspiring and snow covered grey as far as the eye can see, trained markswoman's eye seeking the well hidden explosives packages at either end of what was about to be become a choke point... and a violent end to the enemy force.
A slightly out of breath female junior officer, the commander of one of the Black Widow squads, raced up behind her, knocking the Hauptmann from her slight revery and back in to the realities of command.
"Hauptmann Ada! sentries report that the enemy armored convoy is at the first picket!"
"Excellent Oberleutenant, pull the sentries back, get everyone in position and alert the vehicle crews, they'll fire their rocket barrage on my mark!"
"Jawohl!"
The lieutenant's heels clicked together as she turned to carry out her orders, a little formal for the field but the younger woman clearly didn't want to be seen as lacking in any way under the eyes of her famous superior. It's not every day one's unit was hand picked by a legendary anti-tank specialist for her ambush.
The plan was simple enough, an enemy armored column was moving up this pass. Intelligence had managed to confirm it after the capture of some senior officers last night by a unit of Valkir deep behind enemy lines. The remote detonated explosives the pioneers under Ada's had laid early would trap them, combined fire from her troops and the rocket artillery fire from their Keilerkopf would crush the enemy, assault troops would clean up any survivors once the smoke cleared.
Ada stretched and flicked the cigarette away, grinding it under her heel as she strode slowly towards her chosen fighting position. It offered a commanding view of the engagement zone, the prize pick of any marksman, so what if she hunted tanks instead of men? They were simply that much more challenging. The huntress grinned as she dropped into position bracing hard into the the stock of her capacitor rifle, wanting to feel the pressure even through her armor before settling into a more relaxed shooting stance. Her shrouded holographic sights pop up as she begins to regulate her breathing, the soft hum of the capacitor charging keeping her company as the second line of pickets report visual contact with the enemy and the sound of heavy vehicles began to fill the canyon.
She whispered into her head set "All troops, weapons tight, radio silence at this time. Engage on my order."
A chorus of "acknowledged" rang back in her ear as the officers and SNCOs on her command circuit set about a fast and quiet final check of their troopers. The dull thud of an enraged sergeant smacking one of his charge's helmets over a critical mistake of some kind echoing across the fighting holes for a soft second before the first heavy tank turned the corner. Seconds dragged by like minutes as the convoy moved deeper into the stretch of canyon that had been chosen as their graveyard, the lead vehicle finally crossing the invisible line that marked the point of no return. A silent cutting motion across her throat, directed at the Pioneer Feldwebl that was crouched down next to her was all it took. She tightened up on her rifle, scope fixed on what she knew had to be a weak point in the vehicle's armor, one breath, one half breath, hold, one breath, one half breath, hold. The rhythm was familiar and comforting, as easy to fall in to for her as others walk through out their day. A second of that routine was all it took, and she issued the command, sharp and terse.
"First rank! Fire!"
The canyon was filled with the sharp cracks of heavy anti-tank rifles, followed by the booming discharge of her own capacitor rifle as her practiced finger whispered across the trigger of the big rifle, breath caught in her throat at the exact instance of discharge. The recoil kicked Ada back, her dug in toes dragging furrows in the hardened earth. She recovered instantly, all ready on the radio.
"Second rank! Fire!"
The softer roars of panzerschreck rockets leaping from launchers, the sharp booms as they found their target. Ada moved back into her shooting position, lining up another target already. As she continued to work her radio, resenting the machine keeping her from her hunt.
"All forces, fire at will, Hauptmann Konnig, you may fire your bombardment when ready."
The crisp and taciturn vehicle commander responded at once, letting his force's missiles report the launch, the deep roar of the boosting vehicle launched heavy rockets filling the air as the heavy missiles arched down into the canyon, a rain of death and flame.
It ended quickly. The assault troops were not even needed to go into battle, no call to repel a counter attack, or clean up survivors came. The enemy simply died as they were bidden, the funeral pyres of their vehicles the only things left to mark them. Another job well done.
NoseGoblin wrote: Barrel detail. I hope you like it because I am done with the revisions on Ada
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Ah, artists! Gotta have her standing while she shoots her suicide gun eh?
Seriously though, much better (still looks like a sausage, but a better kind of sausage... a merguez, perhaps, rather then a ballpark frank); but the female troopers are compatible with the upgrade arms for normal troops? Outstanding!
LOL Buzzsaw..
It should be said that the arms will not look right, the female ST have smaller arms. but the accessories, packs etc. should work out fine. I will provide enough arms in the female box set to deal with having a nice selection to choose from.
More seriously, so the arms are particular to the female STs, but they are compatible with the guns from, for example, the "Eisenkern Trooper Accessory Pack" (the panzerfaust, the SMGs and rifles)?
Ada's just so awesome I HAD to write some fluff... word of warning this is probably in horrible need of an editor and to be beaten into line with the proper Eisenkern rank structure and the like. I ended up using terminology from the Bundeswehr/Herr because I guessed they'd be a little similar at least. I also made it kinda generic by necessity. I wasn't sure what to call a Keilerkopf APC with the Stuka zu Fuss upgrade for example, and I didn't want to use any of the factions specifically simply because we don't have enough information on them.
Spoiler:
1700 Hours
Ambush Position Gamma 7
This frozen canyon had to be one of the most miserable hellholes she'd ever had the pleasure of serving her people. She took a final drag of the rough tobacco, herr issue, probably less painful to get shot then keep smoking them but they all still managed. She surveyed the steep and craggy cliff faces below her, uninspiring and snow covered grey as far as the eye can see, trained markswoman's eye seeking the well hidden explosives packages at either end of what was about to be become a choke point... and a violent end to the enemy force.
A slightly out of breath female junior officer, the commander of one of the Black Widow squads, raced up behind her, knocking the Hauptmann from her slight revery and back in to the realities of command.
"Hauptmann Ada! sentries report that the enemy armored convoy is at the first picket!"
"Excellent Oberleutenant, pull the sentries back, get everyone in position and alert the vehicle crews, they'll fire their rocket barrage on my mark!"
"Jawohl!"
The lieutenant's heels clicked together as she turned to carry out her orders, a little formal for the field but the younger woman clearly didn't want to be seen as lacking in any way under the eyes of her famous superior. It's not every day one's unit was hand picked by a legendary anti-tank specialist for her ambush.
The plan was simple enough, an enemy armored column was moving up this pass. Intelligence had managed to confirm it after the capture of some senior officers last night by a unit of Valkir deep behind enemy lines. The remote detonated explosives the pioneers under Ada's had laid early would trap them, combined fire from her troops and the rocket artillery fire from their Keilerkopf would crush the enemy, assault troops would clean up any survivors once the smoke cleared.
Ada stretched and flicked the cigarette away, grinding it under her heel as she strode slowly towards her chosen fighting position. It offered a commanding view of the engagement zone, the prize pick of any marksman, so what if she hunted tanks instead of men? They were simply that much more challenging. The huntress grinned as she dropped into position bracing hard into the the stock of her capacitor rifle, wanting to feel the pressure even through her armor before settling into a more relaxed shooting stance. Her shrouded holographic sights pop up as she begins to regulate her breathing, the soft hum of the capacitor charging keeping her company as the second line of pickets report visual contact with the enemy and the sound of heavy vehicles began to fill the canyon.
She whispered into her head set "All troops, weapons tight, radio silence at this time. Engage on my order."
A chorus of "acknowledged" rang back in her ear as the officers and SNCOs on her command circuit set about a fast and quiet final check of their troopers. The dull thud of an enraged sergeant smacking one of his charge's helmets over a critical mistake of some kind echoing across the fighting holes for a soft second before the first heavy tank turned the corner. Seconds dragged by like minutes as the convoy moved deeper into the stretch of canyon that had been chosen as their graveyard, the lead vehicle finally crossing the invisible line that marked the point of no return. A silent cutting motion across her throat, directed at the Pioneer Feldwebl that was crouched down next to her was all it took. She tightened up on her rifle, scope fixed on what she knew had to be a weak point in the vehicle's armor, one breath, one half breath, hold, one breath, one half breath, hold. The rhythm was familiar and comforting, as easy to fall in to for her as others walk through out their day. A second of that routine was all it took, and she issued the command, sharp and terse.
"First rank! Fire!"
The canyon was filled with the sharp cracks of heavy anti-tank rifles, followed by the booming discharge of her own capacitor rifle as her practiced finger whispered across the trigger of the big rifle, breath caught in her throat at the exact instance of discharge. The recoil kicked Ada back, her dug in toes dragging furrows in the hardened earth. She recovered instantly, all ready on the radio.
"Second rank! Fire!"
The softer roars of panzerschreck rockets leaping from launchers, the sharp booms as they found their target. Ada moved back into her shooting position, lining up another target already. As she continued to work her radio, resenting the machine keeping her from her hunt.
"All forces, fire at will, Hauptmann Konnig, you may fire your bombardment when ready."
The crisp and taciturn vehicle commander responded at once, letting his force's missiles report the launch, the deep roar of the boosting vehicle launched heavy rockets filling the air as the heavy missiles arched down into the canyon, a rain of death and flame.
It ended quickly. The assault troops were not even needed to go into battle, no call to repel a counter attack, or clean up survivors came. The enemy simply died as they were bidden, the funeral pyres of their vehicles the only things left to mark them. Another job well done.
Well done! I loved it.
Sooo much better than my writing style, you painted a great mental image as I read it.
"More seriously, so the arms are particular to the female STs, but they are compatible with the guns from, for example, the "Eisenkern Trooper Accessory Pack" (the panzerfaust, the SMGs and rifles)? :
Correct, the shoulders are thinner and ams smaller but the weapons will be the same size... as they should be
Nope.. what you will have, is basically an open shopping cart to pick and choose but there will still be a limit of 5 Ada to each backer ( 1free 4 optional adds.)
Nope.. what you will have, is basically an open shopping cart to pick and choose but there will still be a limit of 5 Ada to each backer ( 1free 4 optional adds.)
Excellent, just what I was hoping for (regarding the cart/manager)
Ada's just so awesome I HAD to write some fluff... word of warning this is probably in horrible need of an editor and to be beaten into line with the proper Eisenkern rank structure and the like. I ended up using terminology from the Bundeswehr/Herr because I guessed they'd be a little similar at least. I also made it kinda generic by necessity. I wasn't sure what to call a Keilerkopf APC with the Stuka zu Fuss upgrade for example, and I didn't want to use any of the factions specifically simply because we don't have enough information on them.
Spoiler:
1700 Hours
Ambush Position Gamma 7
This frozen canyon had to be one of the most miserable hellholes she'd ever had the pleasure of serving her people. She took a final drag of the rough tobacco, herr issue, probably less painful to get shot then keep smoking them but they all still managed. She surveyed the steep and craggy cliff faces below her, uninspiring and snow covered grey as far as the eye can see, trained markswoman's eye seeking the well hidden explosives packages at either end of what was about to be become a choke point... and a violent end to the enemy force.
A slightly out of breath female junior officer, the commander of one of the Black Widow squads, raced up behind her, knocking the Hauptmann from her slight revery and back in to the realities of command.
"Hauptmann Ada! sentries report that the enemy armored convoy is at the first picket!"
"Excellent Oberleutenant, pull the sentries back, get everyone in position and alert the vehicle crews, they'll fire their rocket barrage on my mark!"
"Jawohl!"
The lieutenant's heels clicked together as she turned to carry out her orders, a little formal for the field but the younger woman clearly didn't want to be seen as lacking in any way under the eyes of her famous superior. It's not every day one's unit was hand picked by a legendary anti-tank specialist for her ambush.
The plan was simple enough, an enemy armored column was moving up this pass. Intelligence had managed to confirm it after the capture of some senior officers last night by a unit of Valkir deep behind enemy lines. The remote detonated explosives the pioneers under Ada's had laid early would trap them, combined fire from her troops and the rocket artillery fire from their Keilerkopf would crush the enemy, assault troops would clean up any survivors once the smoke cleared.
Ada stretched and flicked the cigarette away, grinding it under her heel as she strode slowly towards her chosen fighting position. It offered a commanding view of the engagement zone, the prize pick of any marksman, so what if she hunted tanks instead of men? They were simply that much more challenging. The huntress grinned as she dropped into position bracing hard into the the stock of her capacitor rifle, wanting to feel the pressure even through her armor before settling into a more relaxed shooting stance. Her shrouded holographic sights pop up as she begins to regulate her breathing, the soft hum of the capacitor charging keeping her company as the second line of pickets report visual contact with the enemy and the sound of heavy vehicles began to fill the canyon.
She whispered into her head set "All troops, weapons tight, radio silence at this time. Engage on my order."
A chorus of "acknowledged" rang back in her ear as the officers and SNCOs on her command circuit set about a fast and quiet final check of their troopers. The dull thud of an enraged sergeant smacking one of his charge's helmets over a critical mistake of some kind echoing across the fighting holes for a soft second before the first heavy tank turned the corner. Seconds dragged by like minutes as the convoy moved deeper into the stretch of canyon that had been chosen as their graveyard, the lead vehicle finally crossing the invisible line that marked the point of no return. A silent cutting motion across her throat, directed at the Pioneer Feldwebl that was crouched down next to her was all it took. She tightened up on her rifle, scope fixed on what she knew had to be a weak point in the vehicle's armor, one breath, one half breath, hold, one breath, one half breath, hold. The rhythm was familiar and comforting, as easy to fall in to for her as others walk through out their day. A second of that routine was all it took, and she issued the command, sharp and terse.
"First rank! Fire!"
The canyon was filled with the sharp cracks of heavy anti-tank rifles, followed by the booming discharge of her own capacitor rifle as her practiced finger whispered across the trigger of the big rifle, breath caught in her throat at the exact instance of discharge. The recoil kicked Ada back, her dug in toes dragging furrows in the hardened earth. She recovered instantly, all ready on the radio.
"Second rank! Fire!"
The softer roars of panzerschreck rockets leaping from launchers, the sharp booms as they found their target. Ada moved back into her shooting position, lining up another target already. As she continued to work her radio, resenting the machine keeping her from her hunt.
"All forces, fire at will, Hauptmann Konnig, you may fire your bombardment when ready."
The crisp and taciturn vehicle commander responded at once, letting his force's missiles report the launch, the deep roar of the boosting vehicle launched heavy rockets filling the air as the heavy missiles arched down into the canyon, a rain of death and flame.
It ended quickly. The assault troops were not even needed to go into battle, no call to repel a counter attack, or clean up survivors came. The enemy simply died as they were bidden, the funeral pyres of their vehicles the only things left to mark them. Another job well done.
Well done! I loved it.
Sooo much better than my writing style, you painted a great mental image as I read it.
Glad you enjoyed it, if you want to use to for real I'll clean it up, run it past my elite team of editing ninjas and send it to you.
Edit:
And yesssssss very excited to get to the pledge manager, hopefully my pay gets worked out shortly!
NoseGoblin wrote: Barrel detail. I hope you like it because I am done with the revisions on Ada
While not amazing, it's still much better. (I'd rather give honest feedback than be a fanboi and blow smoke up your arse.) (note, I'm not suggesting that anyone who actually does love the new barrels is nothing but a fanboi.)
It should be said that the arms will not look right, the female ST have smaller arms. but the accessories, packs etc. should work out fine. I will provide enough arms in the female box set to deal with having a nice selection to choose from.
Will they have some weapon options (SMG/Rifles/LMG?) or just those antitank rifles?
scipio.au wrote: It should be said that the arms will not look right, the female ST have smaller arms. but the accessories, packs etc. should work out fine. I will provide enough arms in the female box set to deal with having a nice selection to choose from.
Yep, I agree… not fantastic but I just don’t have time to tweak it any more, she is a phase 1 shipping so the model needed to be at the manufacturer yesterday. Luckily I will have more time for the other new models, but anything new in stage 1 was a major time issue
"Will they have some weapon options (SMG/Rifles/LMG?) or just those antitank rifles? "
I will try to outfit them with some variation. You need to get your tank killers to the target and to do that you need a good variation of weapons.
NoseGoblin wrote: Yep, I agree… not fantastic but I just don’t have time to tweak it any more, she is a phase 1 shipping so the model needed to be at the manufacturer yesterday. Luckily I will have more time for the other new models, but anything new in stage 1 was a major time issue.
You should consider making single hero/HQ models in metal/resin accompanying the Eisenkern plastic troops.
I was just on the GW website checking the new releases...
Either I get a dragon for a FA slot for 90$, or I get an awesome leviathan from Dreamforge for 75$... and those 15mm leviathans are in a league of their own, we don't even need to magnetize them to switch from full assault to full shooty!
Gents, I think we have just spent our money very wisely.
Ada's just so awesome I HAD to write some fluff... word of warning this is probably in horrible need of an editor and to be beaten into line with the proper Eisenkern rank structure and the like. I ended up using terminology from the Bundeswehr/Herr because I guessed they'd be a little similar at least. I also made it kinda generic by necessity. I wasn't sure what to call a Keilerkopf APC with the Stuka zu Fuss upgrade for example, and I didn't want to use any of the factions specifically simply because we don't have enough information on them.
Spoiler:
1700 Hours
Ambush Position Gamma 7
This frozen canyon had to be one of the most miserable hellholes she'd ever had the pleasure of serving her people. She took a final drag of the rough tobacco, herr issue, probably less painful to get shot then keep smoking them but they all still managed. She surveyed the steep and craggy cliff faces below her, uninspiring and snow covered grey as far as the eye can see, trained markswoman's eye seeking the well hidden explosives packages at either end of what was about to be become a choke point... and a violent end to the enemy force.
A slightly out of breath female junior officer, the commander of one of the Black Widow squads, raced up behind her, knocking the Hauptmann from her slight revery and back in to the realities of command.
"Hauptmann Ada! sentries report that the enemy armored convoy is at the first picket!"
"Excellent Oberleutenant, pull the sentries back, get everyone in position and alert the vehicle crews, they'll fire their rocket barrage on my mark!"
"Jawohl!"
The lieutenant's heels clicked together as she turned to carry out her orders, a little formal for the field but the younger woman clearly didn't want to be seen as lacking in any way under the eyes of her famous superior. It's not every day one's unit was hand picked by a legendary anti-tank specialist for her ambush.
The plan was simple enough, an enemy armored column was moving up this pass. Intelligence had managed to confirm it after the capture of some senior officers last night by a unit of Valkir deep behind enemy lines. The remote detonated explosives the pioneers under Ada's had laid early would trap them, combined fire from her troops and the rocket artillery fire from their Keilerkopf would crush the enemy, assault troops would clean up any survivors once the smoke cleared.
Ada stretched and flicked the cigarette away, grinding it under her heel as she strode slowly towards her chosen fighting position. It offered a commanding view of the engagement zone, the prize pick of any marksman, so what if she hunted tanks instead of men? They were simply that much more challenging. The huntress grinned as she dropped into position bracing hard into the the stock of her capacitor rifle, wanting to feel the pressure even through her armor before settling into a more relaxed shooting stance. Her shrouded holographic sights pop up as she begins to regulate her breathing, the soft hum of the capacitor charging keeping her company as the second line of pickets report visual contact with the enemy and the sound of heavy vehicles began to fill the canyon.
She whispered into her head set "All troops, weapons tight, radio silence at this time. Engage on my order."
A chorus of "acknowledged" rang back in her ear as the officers and SNCOs on her command circuit set about a fast and quiet final check of their troopers. The dull thud of an enraged sergeant smacking one of his charge's helmets over a critical mistake of some kind echoing across the fighting holes for a soft second before the first heavy tank turned the corner. Seconds dragged by like minutes as the convoy moved deeper into the stretch of canyon that had been chosen as their graveyard, the lead vehicle finally crossing the invisible line that marked the point of no return. A silent cutting motion across her throat, directed at the Pioneer Feldwebl that was crouched down next to her was all it took. She tightened up on her rifle, scope fixed on what she knew had to be a weak point in the vehicle's armor, one breath, one half breath, hold, one breath, one half breath, hold. The rhythm was familiar and comforting, as easy to fall in to for her as others walk through out their day. A second of that routine was all it took, and she issued the command, sharp and terse.
"First rank! Fire!"
The canyon was filled with the sharp cracks of heavy anti-tank rifles, followed by the booming discharge of her own capacitor rifle as her practiced finger whispered across the trigger of the big rifle, breath caught in her throat at the exact instance of discharge. The recoil kicked Ada back, her dug in toes dragging furrows in the hardened earth. She recovered instantly, all ready on the radio.
"Second rank! Fire!"
The softer roars of panzerschreck rockets leaping from launchers, the sharp booms as they found their target. Ada moved back into her shooting position, lining up another target already. As she continued to work her radio, resenting the machine keeping her from her hunt.
"All forces, fire at will, Hauptmann Konnig, you may fire your bombardment when ready."
The crisp and taciturn vehicle commander responded at once, letting his force's missiles report the launch, the deep roar of the boosting vehicle launched heavy rockets filling the air as the heavy missiles arched down into the canyon, a rain of death and flame.
It ended quickly. The assault troops were not even needed to go into battle, no call to repel a counter attack, or clean up survivors came. The enemy simply died as they were bidden, the funeral pyres of their vehicles the only things left to mark them. Another job well done.
Good stuff.
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RiTides wrote: Any chance of seeing a render of the Shadokesh KS model? I have to decide if I want more of them...
NoseGoblin wrote: Yep, I agree… not fantastic but I just don’t have time to tweak it any more, she is a phase 1 shipping so the model needed to be at the manufacturer yesterday. Luckily I will have more time for the other new models, but anything new in stage 1 was a major time issue.
You should consider making single hero/HQ models in metal/resin accompanying the Eisenkern plastic troops.
Ill agree. I know Dreamforge wants to go plastic, but some resin or metal hero/HQ models would really help flesh out the line until its practical to remake them in plastic.
From what I've been given to understand, you can make reasonable runs in resin from a garage that is properly equipped. So he could technically even go so far as do these in-house (in a sense).
I'd probably pay $10 for a single hero... Cheaper than GW anyway
Something to consider once the KS madness dies down! Or even just tweaking the command box contents for a diversity of commanders (or an upgrade pack like for the troopers). Whatever's easiest
Either I get a dragon for a FA slot for 90$, or I get an awesome leviathan from Dreamforge for 75$... and those 15mm leviathans are in a league of their own, we don't even need to magnetize them to switch from full assault to full shooty!
Gents, I think we have just spent our money very wisely.
Yeah, depending on when the pledge manager comes out and how long we have to play with it, I could see adding another 4 of the 15mm Levis (to the existing 4 on order). - and hopefully some money for arms as well.
The Ada model being multipiece and posable is the best news I've heard yet. Means I can buy 5 and they won't be identical. Originally I was just going to spread them out and hope nobody noticed, but this is even better!
you could always stay away from the super characters for HQs and leave it to the players idear or a diffrent paint scheam be nice to see a game where the commander hasnt got a cape lol but its all looking sweet well done
Yes, capes are a hazard and over-rated. Officers did have a different uniform than warrant, nco and line soldiers in WW1, though. A bit like the longcoat ad cap of the cadian squad box would be sufficiet, imho, and since we already have caps in the accessory sprue... that might be enough?
helmet decoration might work just something to pimp up your leader not a whole new kit or having to go back to metal cause you can tell it wont look as nice as the plastic
I'd have thought that, like GW's IG, the main comms gear would be carried by a comms specialist, not the CO.
Maybe something like more ornate shoulder pads or epaulettes? That would go well with the peaked cap from the accessory sprue.
However, as that would appear to be already finalised as it's a stage 1 delivery, adding stuff may just be wish-listing despite Mark's obviouse desire to keep his customers happy.
And I have got to add a set of those female tank hunters to my pledge. I only hope that the free seated marines that come with the APCs are muti-part as I may have to add a second unit of black widows and use parts from them to make seated versions in the back.
Meh. I can wait. My "to paint" pile is friggin huge. Not like I'll be able to get a game in any time soon anyways. No close store and all my gaming friends live like 30 miles away.
I guess I could put together the Leviathan and show it off at the mini-GW outlet near me
Does anyone know if the Black Widows will be availableafter the Kickstarter? I would normally think they wouldn't go through the effort and expense to make molds only to use them once, but they say Ada will not be available outside of the Kickstarter project. Does that go for her squad as well then?
Sounds good. I love the look of Ada, and definitely think I'll have to get a bunch of the Black Widows. But, I don't think I should try to add them onto my Kickstarter list because so much may change between now and when they are finally released next year.
I am currently in the market for a new wargame to replace 40k yet still keeping with a similar scale of game. If I invest heavily in another game like Dystopian Legions I may not want more than just Ada. Of course I may also be moving out of my apartment by mid next year so it probably isn't a good idea to order something unavailable till then.
These days, anyone could be moving by mid next year. I'm sure you will be able to arrange delivery to another address, even if your delivery address changes between stages.
The only risk is if you move as a stage ships, and then you ought to be able to get it forwarded.
I'd be more certain of that if you lived in the UK, true, but it ought to be the same in the US.
I don't foresee myself moving but the issue is more that I don't have any way to predict where I will be in my wargaming life/mindset then. Because I'm in such a state of flux in my search for a game that I don't want to tie myself down to 20 models in half a year. I'll likely forget that I ordered them after the bunch of releases next month.
roadkizzle wrote: Because I'm in such a state of flux in my search for a game that I don't want to tie myself down to 20 models in half a year. I'll likely forget that I ordered them after the bunch of releases next month.
Imagine how suprised and delighted you'll be when they show up on your doorstep.
I'd prefer the ends of those wing cases to be reworked a little to be honest. They just look a little too similar to GW Eldar backpacks to me. Even just making the ends spherical would be a massive improvement in my mind.
However, as I'm currently more likely to be playing Eisenkern anyway, it's no biggie. (And even if I do end up getting a Shadokesh force later on, it's no big deal to make the ends spherical anyway. I have loads of plastic BBs left from airsoft weapons.)
The shadowkesh is very cool. Menacing, and definitely not "evil space elf." I like how tall it is; helps avoid the "humans in makeup" look that so many aliens have. As sad as it makes my wallet to say this, I would definitely be interested in some of these.
Usually with legs you can rotate the torso or change the angle a little to give the illusion of variety, it looks like with this sort of design you won't be able to do such a thing, which worries me a little.I think special attention needs to be given to making sure there are plenty of leg variations
also I think the fingers should be longer and creepier
I don't see a problem with the KS only Shadokesh, and am sure that the Shadokesh KS, when it gets produced, will include plenty of leg options judging from the leg options available for the Eisenkern troops.
However, I asked Mark if there was a possibility of getting female seated legs for people who wanted to do a squad of Black Widows in an APC (I have plans to do a full squad of 10 inside a black APC with a red hourglass symbol on the roof) and the reply I got was ....dissapointing.
"Mark Mondragon says:
Hi Gary, good question. I need to remember that when it comes time to make the legs. I wont have enough seated legs for the whole set but it would be nice to offer a couple of them in the set so you can have some mixed in."
I don't mind paying extra for a full set of 10 seated female figures, or even for a set of 10 seated female legs, but I would like to know how much it would cost before I go through the pledge manager. After all, if all I can get are the seated legs, I will need to get two sets of Black widows so I can use the arms, torsos, heads, etc to complete the seated variants.
How many APCs would I need to order (I have already pledged for 3, so I hope that will be enough to make 2 male troop variants and 1 female.) so that I can get enough parts to ensure I can make 1 of them a dedicated BW transport?
I feel we have been very lucky with this KS, and maybe we have begun to ask a bit too much of Mark's credit? I certainly wouldn't see much of a difference in a sit-down version of the armour if a few were "males" but with female torsos.
RiTides wrote: Offering a full set of females sitting is a tall order. It definitely couldn't be free... would make a nice upgrade sprue, though.
Maybe I have been misunderstood.
I was not asking for free, I was not asking for "now", I was giving him the idea of - at sometime in the future - offering seated females to go in the APCs to represent Black widows or mixed sex units. (I would also be in for making my Eisenkern forces mixed).
I wanted to know if they would be available later, would it just be legs, or would it be a female version of the male seated troops we were getting with the APCs.
I have no problem with paying extra, or waiting longer, just so I know what I am doing. I am going to add a set of Black Widows into my pledge anyway, and IF Mark had come back with "It's do-able at some point in the future, sometime next year, for about what I could have charged for the seated males, and will be a full upgrade sprue as the males are." then I'd have been on cloud 9.
I think Mark has done an amazing job on this KS, he has shown certain other companies what "Customer Service" actually means with the way he has listened to his backers and taken it on board during the KS. The last thing I would want is for him to think he was being forced into something which maybe would stretch him too far.
This is why I would think it better to leave tanks for another time. Presumably the Shadokesh will be next to get a release, and I look forward to finding out what their releases will be, then maybe the Protectorate and the tanks rather than walkers.
For this quality, I am preparred to wait a long time as I know Mark had done a good job of keeping us in the loop so far, and am confident he will continue to do so.
RiTides wrote: Offering a full set of females sitting is a tall order. It definitely couldn't be free... would make a nice upgrade sprue, though.
Maybe I have been misunderstood.
I was not asking for free, I was not asking for "now", I was giving him the idea of - at sometime in the future - offering seated females to go in the APCs to represent Black widows or mixed sex units. (I would also be in for making my Eisenkern forces mixed).
I wanted to know if they would be available later, would it just be legs, or would it be a female version of the male seated troops we were getting with the APCs.
I have no problem with paying extra, or waiting longer, just so I know what I am doing. I am going to add a set of Black Widows into my pledge anyway, and IF Mark had come back with "It's do-able at some point in the future, sometime next year, for about what I could have charged for the seated males, and will be a full upgrade sprue as the males are." then I'd have been on cloud 9.
I think Mark has done an amazing job on this KS, he has shown certain other companies what "Customer Service" actually means with the way he has listened to his backers and taken it on board during the KS. The last thing I would want is for him to think he was being forced into something which maybe would stretch him too far.
This is why I would think it better to leave tanks for another time. Presumably the Shadokesh will be next to get a release, and I look forward to finding out what their releases will be, then maybe the Protectorate and the tanks rather than walkers.
For this quality, I am preparred to wait a long time as I know Mark had done a good job of keeping us in the loop so far, and am confident he will continue to do so.
Ahh I misunderstood you as well. I can only speak to what is planned and I will try to fit one to two seated legs into the Black Widow set. Each mold had a limited amount of space and costs many thousands of dollars, so it is a balancing act. Is the space better spent on making sure they have enough weapons to work with the male ST? Likely so... I doubt very much that there will be a seated only leg set for all ten Black Widows, I just cannot see the investment paying for its self.
Understood, okay thanks for keeping your customers in loop. Now back to modeling no more typing breaks Mark we want models so get our plastic crack flowing. Lol
NoseGoblin wrote: Ahh I misunderstood you as well. I can only speak to what is planned and I will try to fit one to two seated legs into the Black Widow set. Each mold had a limited amount of space and costs many thousands of dollars, so it is a balancing act. Is the space better spent on making sure they have enough weapons to work with the male ST? Likely so... I doubt very much that there will be a seated only leg set for all ten Black Widows, I just cannot see the investment paying for its self.
Just a thought, but would you ever consider partnering with one of the various bits manufacturers out there to make licensed Iron Core odds and ends like that? It would be cheaper than having to make a full plastic sprue and you could just send them a file of the seated model and they could get it 3D printed and cast up. Or they could make some weapons that would fit the models, but that could be used to represent options found in other systems. It would be a way to expand the usefulness of the models without having to extend yourself any further and it would be another means of marketing them as well as a (probably small) revenue source for you with little to no risk or effort.
Well, it was supposed to be last week, but as long as the stuff isn't shipped to the Americas, they can afford to wait a little bit and make sure everything is squared away.
Creator Mark Mondragon about 6 hours ago
I don’t have a lot to update right now.
Last week was a Chinese holiday; everything shuts down while the entire country takes eight days off.
We have been pushing forward on the pledge manager. I expected us to have it up and running last Thursday, then Friday, then Saturday now?.... I know we are getting close because we are running out of areas that the software can affect but I still do not have an exact day, obviously the sooner the better.
I have been working overtime trying to get the box art completed for all Stage 1 and 2 kits, to provide them with enough time to get the boxes done ahead of production. We should have a lot of images for an update next week but this week is a bit sparse.
That’s about it… I will post news when there is news to post
I think it would be cooler if tanks were given over to another faction, like the Protectorate. They shun walkers, after all.
A full range does not come about in a single year!
The impression I got from the fluff was that Eisenkern use the Leviathan walkers as their armor, while it directly says that the Protectorate uses actual tanks.
Maybe, but the fluff also makes it clear that Leviathans must be extremely expensive:
Independent households often barter away vast planetary resources to acquire a Crusader
Emphasis mine on the "vast."
Eisenkern uses this Leviathan as a powerful bartering chit with the Brotherhood. Tithing ten per year to the order, they have managed to make themselves indispensable.
And giving them only ten per year makes Eisenkern "indispensable." I'm sure Eisenkern would use tanks, especially since they can't have so many Leviathans everywhere to fill the tank's role in combat in all engagements.
Are you planning on fleshing out the Shadokesh with a miniatures range? I missed the KS and sadly missed the Kesh and Handlers ( I would have bought a ton of them..=( )
I love the look of that model set sooo much.. Is it too late to get in on some level?
Also, the Dhar-Hazier is the armored one leashing the Shadokesh, right? Are they getting a minis line?
Both the models in the pic are shadokesh. The one on the leash is feral, and the one in armor is the more advanced bad@$$. It looks like he will be developing the shadokesh next. Max you coul get of the pair was 5sets. Pm me if your interested, I'll be maxing out my order cause I know others might want them.
Still waiting to finalize my order, but as long as nose goblin is designing stuff I'll wait impatiently.....you done yet?
Fun indeed, but only if you don't use IE, apparently.
Selecting "None" on leviathan pledges calls up and "Illegal selection" error as IE 'autocorrects' the data for these. The problem has been advised to them and they are working on it, but as I only have IE I can't complete my pledge at the moment. Firefox and Chrome are unaffected.
Or is Mark rtying to push more Leviathan sales by making sure that you have to order at least a single 28mm Crusader, a 28mm Mortis, and a 15mm on every pledge?
Selecting "None" on leviathan pledges calls up and "Illegal selection" error as IE 'autocorrects' the data for these. The problem has been advised to them and they are working on it, but as I only have IE I can't complete my pledge at the moment. Firefox and Chrome are unaffected.
Or is Mark rtying to push more Leviathan sales by making sure that you have to order at least a single 28mm Crusader, a 28mm Mortis, and a 15mm on every pledge?
I had exactly the same problem, downloaded firefox and retried and it went without a hitch- now just for the hard part- the waiting
Selecting "None" on leviathan pledges calls up and "Illegal selection" error as IE 'autocorrects' the data for these. The problem has been advised to them and they are working on it, but as I only have IE I can't complete my pledge at the moment. Firefox and Chrome are unaffected.
Or is Mark rtying to push more Leviathan sales by making sure that you have to order at least a single 28mm Crusader, a 28mm Mortis, and a 15mm on every pledge?
I had exactly the same problem, downloaded firefox and retried and it went without a hitch- now just for the hard part- the waiting
Although it seems I spoke too soon, the credit card processor declined to process my card (there was a very brief failure message and then the confirmation screen popped up)
So even if you have the confirmation screen/e-mail don't be too surprised if WGF contact you telling you the payment hasn't been processed.
Selecting "None" on leviathan pledges calls up and "Illegal selection" error as IE 'autocorrects' the data for these. The problem has been advised to them and they are working on it, but as I only have IE I can't complete my pledge at the moment. Firefox and Chrome are unaffected.
Or is Mark rtying to push more Leviathan sales by making sure that you have to order at least a single 28mm Crusader, a 28mm Mortis, and a 15mm on every pledge?
Looks like its an IE9 issue? I know he has the error code so at least he knows where to look to fix it.
On the one hand I am eager to get my pledge amount finalized so that I'm closer to receiving my stuff, but on the other hand, the more time I have to wait, the more money I can set aside to get a few more goodies...
catharsix wrote: On the one hand I am eager to get my pledge amount finalized so that I'm closer to receiving my stuff, but on the other hand, the more time I have to wait, the more money I can set aside to get a few more goodies...
-C6
Didn't Amazon already charge your card? I thought they charged mine a while ago.
catharsix wrote: On the one hand I am eager to get my pledge amount finalized so that I'm closer to receiving my stuff, but on the other hand, the more time I have to wait, the more money I can set aside to get a few more goodies...
-C6
Didn't Amazon already charge your card? I thought they charged mine a while ago.
Oh, they did. But if I'm not mistaken, there's the opportunity to add additional things to your order, and pay the additional cost of this. I'm strongly leaning toward getting some Black Widows, though of course it'd be nice to see some renders/pics of what they'll look like before committing to buying some.
Yes, Dreamforge, RElic Knights, Reaper AND Sedition Wars caused the Fraud team to inquire if some CRAZY gamer had Hijacked my card... I confirmed that I indeed had... and my wife has reprimanded me for this ;-)
Fixed the problem with the -None- order quantities, now it's not allowing me to add the extra 28mm leviathan arms I wanted!
Wish I could try Firefox, but I'm on a work PC and only have IE. Won't have internet access on my home PC until possibly 20th, but when I do, it'll be through Firefox so shouldn't have this problem.
If the internet doesn't have walls or fences, why do we need Windows and Gates?
Edit: At least if I can get it put back until after the 15th, I get paid and can add even more goodies to my pledge!
My receipt for my increased pledge is sitting in my hands. Everything ran smoothly, asked for the difference between what I now stated I wanted and my original pledge, took it from my mastercard, no problems.
Hope everyone else gets a smooth ride from now on.
Well, I'm glad I paid all that I plan on getting up front.
Some asshat totaled my wife's car while I was driving it, then fled from the scene and reported his car stolen a couple hours later.
The insurance company is trying to deny the claim, and the car was so old we only had liability on it.
Needless to say, no new gaming stuff for me for a while.
ski2060 wrote: Well, I'm glad I paid all that I plan on getting up front.
Some asshat totaled my wife's car while I was driving it, then fled from the scene and reported his car stolen a couple hours later.
The insurance company is trying to deny the claim, and the car was so old we only had liability on it.
Needless to say, no new gaming stuff for me for a while.
Yes, ski2060. Cars are ultimately pieces of metal. You didn't mention if you're ok or not! Not only from the car crash, but also from your wife beating you for crashing her car!
Seriously, bro, the crack can wait.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And they finally got my money. W00t, Black widows a-plenty!
And having received an e-mail update this morning, the pledge manager has now gone live for everyone.
Hope the sudden influx of demands for such amazing quality stuff doesn't shut their system down again.
Now ALL I have to do is wait patiently for it to arrive.
wake me when it gets here!
Although it's probably going to be more like ( is it here yet? is it here yet? is it here yet? no )
As I said last night to my group: I'm not worried in the least about having to submit my credit card information thrice for it to work. After all, I love our future Chinese overlords!
Darn, no email for me yet! You all must have pledged day 1 or something (I believe they're going out in the order that people pledged). I think I didn't pledge until maybe a week - a week and a half in.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Yes, ski2060. Cars are ultimately pieces of metal. You didn't mention if you're ok or not! Not only from the car crash, but also from your wife beating you for crashing her car!
Seriously, bro, the crack can wait.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And they finally got my money. W00t, Black widows a-plenty!
Sorry, I'm relatively OK. Just a few tweaks here and there that are being taken care of.
Looking forward to my stuff. At least that might bring me a bit of enjoyment. Or maybe sit on my Paint pile in a place of reverence at least
Speaking of paint pile... I'm officially out of MY stuff to paint. I've resorted to asking friends to lend me their figs so I have something to do.
Although that scratch built Hell Talon does need a bit of love at the moment. Anyone have any idea where I can get my hands on a detailed/inexpensive jet exhaust?
I saved a PDF from the online calculator of what I was getting, then forgot to update it when I upped my pledge at the last minute for the the final stretches. Got me most of the way though, and now I join the others twiddling their thumbs and awaiting their plastic crack. It was a tough call between 2 more squads of Black Widows or another APC, but given my track record on painting vehicles I opted for more ground-pounders.
I must say that it was a very good pledge manager. I know that's a somewhat weird thing to say, but it was nice the way it gave you the breakdown and subtotal as well as what you had already pledged. It also did the leviathan mix-and-match correctly. Not that the methods other companies use are "bad" when they opt to get it out fast, but big kudos to WGF and DFG for doing it up right.
And again, thank you to the people who tested that whole system out; my pledge submission went as smooth as possible.
man now waiting on pledge manager to get emailed to me is slow death. I want pledge manager now.
Automatically Appended Next Post: 2 minutes after whining email came, man wife is going to kill me just drop more money into dreamforge. And this is after buying forgeworld stuff this month. I guess, I can join the cast of the walking dead because when she sees my credit card bill that is what I going to be.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Speaking of paint pile... I'm officially out of MY stuff to paint. I've resorted to asking friends to lend me their figs so I have something to do.
Although that scratch built Hell Talon does need a bit of love at the moment. Anyone have any idea where I can get my hands on a detailed/inexpensive jet exhaust?
>Looks at roughly 150 unpainted guardsmen and 10 or so tanks...
Tell ya what, since you're such a cool guy, I'll lend you my IG army to paint, that'll keep you busy for a while I won't even charge you shipping to mail it to you in new York!
same thing for me. Inquisition henchmen/Guardsmen, got the 60 coming in and might add at least one of everything else including the smaller mechs. man...im gonna be broke for a bit.
How long to we have to fill this thing in? My main PC died today with my want list on it, so I'm using a borrowed laptop while I try to resurrect and recover my stuff...
scipio.au wrote: How long to we have to fill this thing in? My main PC died today with my want list on it, so I'm using a borrowed laptop while I try to resurrect and recover my stuff...
From the KS update
Please be aware that the pledge manager will be taken off line near the end of October, I will be sending out a ten day warning on Kickstarter to allow any late entries time to finalize their pledge.
MrMoustaffa. I'd hate to be slammed with the import duties on your minis, if we get singled out.
But I'll take the compliment, that you'd trust me to paint your stuff. Please don't look at my Thunderhawk as a sample, it was left pretty bland for my friend to complete.
Ugh...this talk of painting piles reminds me of the mountains I have... :(
I wonder when all the pledges are in if Mark can give us a breakdown of what seemed to be the most popular item(s). I'm just curious if it was leviathans, tanks or infantry (of the various types) that brought home the bacon, as it were.
Well I did it. Spent another 200 bucks on troops. At least ill forget i spent about 150 of my total until May. Looks like i have more tight budgeting for a couple months.
scipio.au wrote: How long to we have to fill this thing in? My main PC died today with my want list on it, so I'm using a borrowed laptop while I try to resurrect and recover my stuff...
From the KS update
Please be aware that the pledge manager will be taken off line near the end of October, I will be sending out a ten day warning on Kickstarter to allow any late entries time to finalize their pledge.
so about 2 weeks or less
That's alright - as long as I can do it on the weekend instead having to try and work it out after work one night when I'm braindead.. I just hope that online Pledge Manager is still around. I can't remember exactly what I paid for.
Got my login to the WGF pledge manager! $838 final total for me. (had to chip in an extra $30 to cover from the final pledged total... )
My wallet now officially hates Mark. Much.
I, however, love Mark! Can't wait to build up a small Panzergrenadier (in space!) -platoon, with the support of a heavy "Heer" (in space!) -detatchment and a Leviathan pair. *evil grin*
I believe that Mark and WGF are going to open up another avenue of pay for people that missed out on the KS due to only having Paypal or other means of pay.
This means new people will be able to get in at the KS level before things go into the retail supply chain starting next month.
I was unable to find the budget to get into this KS, any update on when they parts will be available to the general public, even just for pre-order?
No, but I only follow a few threads very closely. Believe it or not, I enjoy the sense of community Your fault for making us all feel so welcome.
And since I poured almost a grand in this project (not all my own, no worries), I want to know if WIPs, previews, news come in. Also trying to jazz myself to write some proper background to submit it to Mark. I have also offered him my services to translate business material in French and to present his company and products to FLGS in my area, if he so wishes. I know they're chomping at the bit to see the Leviathans.
Looking at finalising my order - "Twin Vulkans: (free) " - just making sure, does that mean each 28mm leviathan gets both left and right vulkan arms free? I thought that stretch goal just unlocked them for purchase.
Fishborne wrote: I got my email with my user name and password, but when I try to log into the link provided I says they dont match up. Who do I send questions to?
Your best bet would be WGF itself seeing as it is their pledge manager. If that fails, contact Mark I guess!
If you look at the render for Ada, they will have realistic proportions and not huge bowls of metal for chest armour. Also, Mark said they would come with a slew of different weapons, not only AT weapons.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If you look at the render for Ada, they will have realistic proportions and not huge bowls of metal for chest armour. Also, Mark said they would come with a slew of different weapons, not only AT weapons.
Which is precisely why I ordered them. Well proportioned females in realistic armour are just too good to resist!
Finalised my order, very nice pledge manager. The web dev in me is jealous of who worked on it!
60 Troopers
20 Femtroops
4 Ada's
15 Support Valkir
15 Assault Valkir
2 28mm Crusaders
2 28mm Mortis'
2 Nova's, 2 Hel's.
(a mates getting half the leviathans)
And a nasty shipping fee, damn the location of this big island : p Would have liked more Valkir, but was getting a bit too close to the 1K mark, where Aussie customs start laying on the 10% GST.
I'll enjoy looking through the rules for these models, but since it's unlikely to get a game until after the Shaddokesh release, if then, has anyone thought of how they'll 40kerise these? Not just "counts as SM's", but specific modelling plans such as replacing weapons with Horus Heresy weapons, applying aquilas and decals etc. Or largely just planning to run them out of the box with "counts as bolters" and so forth?
Not specifically, I'll have to wait till I have them in hand, but like many of us I've got a lot of stuff I can use as parts, from GW to FW to Anvil, etc.
What is the exchange rate? You are expecting $1,000 per shipment, my hat's off to you sir.
My entire order was only about US$430, with the most of that coming in the first stage. The second stage is only 4 arms, so they may not even bother hitting me for that one.
@yonan If I were to use them in 40k then I would use them as henchmen for grey knights, or say they were the missing 2nd legion or 11th legion who refused to give up their tech secrets to the mechanicus when the emperor arrived, the rift later caused their extermination as the big E didn't like someone else having better tech. Their elimination cost the imperium another legion of marines and various mechanicus assets in exchange.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If you look at the render for Ada, they will have realistic proportions and not huge bowls of metal for chest armour. Also, Mark said they would come with a slew of different weapons, not only AT weapons.
Which is precisely why I ordered them. Well proportioned females in realistic armour are just too good to resist!
It's always better than a binder full of women, at any rate.
I was going to use them as IG stormtroopers, and just have the boy and girl figs mixed in together. The rest of the army is going to be sedition wars guys counting as IG vets My tanks will all be based on the Secret Weapon Minis 6-wheeler tank.
But I'll have to wait till they're all released, decided to get the leviathan after all. I hope November hurries up and gets here.
I forward mail from 4 different accounts to my gmail one, and unbeknownst to me the Pledge Manager was in a Hotmail junk folder! Well ive sorted it now, 60 troopers, 3 15mm leviathans.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If you look at the render for Ada, they will have realistic proportions and not huge bowls of metal for chest armour. Also, Mark said they would come with a slew of different weapons, not only AT weapons.
Which is precisely why I ordered them. Well proportioned females in realistic armour are just too good to resist!
It's always better than a binder full of women, at any rate.
But since they only cost 75% of the points, you can afford to have a binder full.
Manchu wrote: Reminder: Political commentary goes in the OT forum ONLY. Thanks.
Sorry Manchu, but doesn't that comment belong in the OT forum?
Not seen any political commentary in the last couple of pages of this topic, so don't quite get your point - or was it just a general hint? We've all been discussing the plastic goodness we have all been ordering and hoping that we'll see it early in November rather than later.
Although given that it has to travel from China to the USA, and then in my case USA to the UK, I'm probably going to have to wait a little longer than I expect to. Even when I factor that into the equation.
My guess is the offending post(s) were already removed and he was encouraging whomever to not do so again.
Also I don't know if WGF is handling the entirety of distribution where they might ship directly to other countries or if it's going to the USA first and then out. Regardless, the answer to "when will it be here?" is certainly "not soon enough".
I can tell you for sure it will not be early November, right now its looking like late November. Sea travel takes any where form 20 to 27 days from China then it is shipped from WGF, USA the US orders will get them in 2 to 3 days after they are shipped and international orders may take up to 14 days depending on how efficiently their customs dept. handles the order.
Has any one started looking at potential conversion stuff? Especially the many amongst our number looking to use various troopers for 40k. For example my 10 assault troops are joining the ranks of my SM army as "Sword Brethren Terminators" using "Ancient Advanced Power Armor from before the Dark Age of Technology" and I was wondering how these pre heresy termie shoulder pads from Chapterhouse would fit up to them.
Thankfully they have those heavy backpacks to run their heavier duty (for Iron Core) power armor...
as seen here, which should take say a cyclone missile launcher easily enough.
The political commentary was mine, sorry about it. I have to say, we have very savvy mods on these boards.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I have to admit, I will run these as close to Eisenkern as possible, just because they look gothic enough for 40k, but functional as well, so there will be very minimal stylistic clash with my more modern infantry. They will have a certain ceremonial feel to them, not unlike the Jantine Patricians in the early Dan Abnett novels.
I don't really know what I am going to do with them! I had the thought of giving them Anvil Industry guns as Joel has just launched a plethora of new bits. Might pick some up to see if they fit, if not they will just go to my Thousand sons!
Spoiler:
Seeing as the transoprt did not really suit what I was looking for I may just get the Bitspudlo APC although I have a feeling it will be too small for a full squad.
Spoiler:
I might also use the leftover rifles from the Stormtroopers to kit out my dreadball figures. Not decided how that is going to work, probably need all the models with me.
I am aiming for a relatively sleek, sci-fi army made up of DF models as well as dreadball and Sedition Wars minis. Should look impressive when they all arrive.
I intend to use the Tempus Fugitives Fandex, or just the Grey Knights one. I play for fun, and my local group house rules and uses fandexes all the time.
If I open that door, to house rules and fandexes, then it'll never be closed. I'm all for making a game fun and unique, but the main motivation can't be "I want the most powerful army that makes yours useless no matter what."
Thanks for the feedback, I'll suggest Grey Knights. It's powerful enough, right?
I was just going to buy a truckload of bolters and female heads and run them as sisters of battle. Should be a stupid easy conversion. Here's hoping they look cool!
Cain I'm glad you pointed Anvil out to me! Two of their missile launchers to replace those cyclones I want is the price of a single official piece shipped.
Looking at this it looks like stormtroopers are a better size to SMs, with Valkir being better terminators. It's a shame SM heads and shoulders generally look poop, because swapping those in (ie. big chunky ones) would make STs a very convincing marine. Maybe boots too. Valkir are definitely chunkier than standard SM's.
Given the already existing Iron Cross and eagle icons, this would be a pretty straight forward ST's as SMs and Valkir as Termies.
Things to convert might be: backpacks for the troopers, larger gloves and boots, SM heads, and possibly SM weapons such as bolters as I'm not sold on the eisenkern pistols and rifles. The swords and heavy weapons look fantastic though. The Valkir are pretty much straight up better than termies in every way from what I can see.
The Assault Troopers have as I mentioned above always been my "perfect" stand in for termies with a minimal amount of conversion effort for anything except personal taste. I think their giant revolvers or their box fed pistols make for good storm bolter stand ins.
We've also seen that in a five man squad, one figure has a blade in the style of the "Executioner's Blade" from the Crusader class Leviathans. So mark that as your chain fist, convert one of the other swords with SM parts (from termies) or hook up a thunder hammer or what have you to designate your sergeant (add iconography/purity seals across the board) and designate the normal swords as power fist counts as. Instant terminator squad.
Pretty damn cheap too, even if you want to add custom bits up the whazoo, change the shoulder pads out like I'm thinking, fresh weapons, Crux Terminatus, Purity Seals, whatever you're up for you shouldn't be looking at more then $40 for a fully decked out pair of squads... unless you go GW official for your missile pods if you want them. Things are $13 a piece!
Warning boring fluff justifications follow: For my Space Marines I'm designating these two unique Terminator squads as part of the Chapter elite, the "Sword Brethren" these Space Marine heroes have been granted access to rare archeo-tech terminator armor the Chapter recovered in such and such glorious battle. Each member of the Sword Brethren must prove his mastery of all aspects of warfare before being granted a blade. While Sword Brethren do deploy in battle squads of five, many are scattered through out the chapter serving as Terminator Sergeants, company champions and as the leaders of veteran squads. The sergeants in command of regular tactical squads are not Sword Brethren but are members of the "Silver Helmed" veteran members of the Chapter who must prove their worth to join the ranks of the Sword Brethren by displaying leadership ability and sound tactical sense as well as personal valor in combat.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Cain I'm glad you pointed Anvil out to me! Two of their missile launchers to replace those cyclones I want is the price of a single official piece shipped.
You're welcome mate. Yeah Anvil does some amazing stuff. Constantly impressed with his work!
Hulksmash wrote: I just sold some of my metal sisters....I don't know what it means when I sell 2 tanks and 16 models will get me 120 plastic infantry....
Has anyone gotten notice of the end of pledge manager date and expected shipping times?
Also, I know your busy mark, but any more pics of test pieces from the leviathan kits. I'm having plastic krak withdrawals, and have been looking at that GW stuff again.
But I've got two-thirds of my marine chapter built, I really should finish them, but They are still in the moving boxes and I don't feel like breaking them out. I stopped by the local flgs yesterday after church to look at the chaos codex (ironic huh). Wanted to see if it was worth the $50.00 price tag. I'd definitely order it through a discounter, but still not turned on by it. and not that type of turned on.
YES!!! Finally a game company that we can get behind!! If I understood the Kickstarter page correctly, we can have an impact on the DESIGN of the game? Sounds GREAT!! Im already onboard!!
Andyman
I think there may still be time to pledge outside of KS Andyman- but if so, just barely. Might be worth emailing to ask, or just wait till models are available, probably around the end of the year.
Was going to order the blackwidows, but then they would charge $7 for shipping, 10 for $20 is ok, but 10 for $27 not such a deal anymore. Yes I know I could avoid the additional shipping if I was willing to wait 6 more months for my stormtroopers, but im not.
Andrew1975 wrote: Was going to order the blackwidows, but then they would charge $7 for shipping, 10 for $20 is ok, but 10 for $27 not such a deal anymore. Yes I know I could avoid the additional shipping if I was willing to wait 6 more months for my stormtroopers, but im not.
I made up for the shipping difference by picking up some assault troopers as well XD
If there was a single negative aspect of this kickstarter beyond me having a limited toy budget so I can't buy ALL the things it was the phased shipping costs, which in the grand scheme of things are perfectly understandable. Unfortunate, but them's the breaks right?
@NoseGoblin: The Kickstarter exclusives should, at a minimum, not be exclusive to this Kickstarter. To be blunt, it is absurd to make the feral Shadokesh model only available to people who bought non-Shadokesh models a year or more before the Shadokesh army exists.
wake me when it gets here!
no ) 
and not that type of turned on.
