Vitruvian XVII wrote:
2.5" high, 3.75" wide and 7.25" long.

Approximately.

The Eisenkern APC is pretty close to a Landraider in size, 2.25" high 3.25" wide and 7" long. Large but not too bad I may be able to tighten it up a bit but I do not see it being more than - .25" in any direction.

I can't wait to see some more variants on the APC chassis, a mobile command center or medic car would be amazing!

 malfred wrote:
I'll probably buy a kit when it's released.

At this point I'm a bit confused. I thought that the point of Kickstarter was to start small companies, not simply fund one-off projects. Of course, maybe it can be used to to one and/or the other, but what is this one? Is this just to make a bunch of great plastic kits, to perhaps expand later, or is this really starting up the company now? When all the molds for this stuff are made, will Mark be making stuff in the future, available in stores or at his site, or will we have to wait for another Kickstarter, or what?

 catharsix wrote:

 malfred wrote:
I'll probably buy a kit when it's released.

At this point I'm a bit confused. I thought that the point of Kickstarter was to start small companies, not simply fund one-off projects.

actually as per their FAQ the point is specifically to fund projects, *not* funding the start of a company.
of course, if that KS projects happens to make a company viable they're fine with it but it's incidental to the primary purpose of KS.

Mark is using the kickstarter to basically fund the creation of the molds and such for his models, hes already got a deal in place to sell the stuff through WGF I believe so sometime next year you will see his stuff in your LGS

 catharsix wrote:

 malfred wrote:
I'll probably buy a kit when it's released.

At this point I'm a bit confused. I thought that the point of Kickstarter was to start small companies, not simply fund one-off projects.

As above. The point is "officially" quite the opposite. KS is to fund one-off projects, in particular those of a "non-profit" kind that couldn't possibly get investments or money from capital markets. It is specifically not to be used for starting a business.

It is their first point in their guidelines, though it is not enforced with much rigour

kickstarter wrote:
1. Funding for projects only.
A project has a clear goal, like making an album, a book, or a work of art. A project will eventually be completed, and something will be produced by it. A project is not open-ended. Starting a business, for example, does not qualify as a project.

The plastic kits will be made by Wargames Factory, and will also be distributed by them. So these will be available in stores, but I think it is currently unknown what the final retail price will be.

And I'm sure WGF is very interested in this product. Like I said on the project comments, I bet WGF has given considerable thought to the benefits of having a good, flagship product for their sci-fi catalog (I find their shock troops lacking). To be able to offer a fairly complete army (troops, heavy weapons, command, heavy troops, vehicles) could really set them up as an alternative to a certain other company.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Vitruvian XVII wrote:
2.5" high, 3.75" wide and 7.25" long.

Approximately.

The Eisenkern APC is pretty close to a Landraider in size, 2.25" high 3.25" wide and 7" long. Large but not too bad I may be able to tighten it up a bit but I do not see it being more than - .25" in any direction.

I wouldnt change a thing. Its properly scaled for the Iron Core universe, and anyone who is going to use it as a counts-as in other games probably wont mind a bit of size difference for something very cool and unique.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The plastic kits will be made by Wargames Factory, and will also be distributed by them. So these will be available in stores, but I think it is currently unknown what the final retail price will be.

And I'm sure WGF is very interested in this product. Like I said on the project comments, I bet WGF has given considerable thought to the benefits of having a good, flagship product for their sci-fi catalog (I find their shock troops lacking). To be able to offer a fairly complete army (troops, heavy weapons, command, heavy troops, vehicles) could really set them up as an alternative to a certain other company.

A mutually beneficial deal for sure. WGF can capitalize on a very awesome (and expanding) line of products, and Dreamforge can take advantage of the WGF retailer and distribution network.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The plastic kits will be made by Wargames Factory, and will also be distributed by them. So these will be available in stores, but I think it is currently unknown what the final retail price will be.

And I'm sure WGF is very interested in this product. Like I said on the project comments, I bet WGF has given considerable thought to the benefits of having a good, flagship product for their sci-fi catalog (I find their shock troops lacking). To be able to offer a fairly complete army (troops, heavy weapons, command, heavy troops, vehicles) could really set them up as an alternative to a certain other company.

Thanks for the clarification guys.

And I sure hope that WGF picks this up and supports it as a core line. I'd love to see Iron-Core as a real, fleshed out, alternative to GW. I am also underwhelmed by the design of the WGF Shock Troops - Marl's stuff is so much better. I really really hope that by this time next year we have a regular Iron-Core product line available.

Well it cant be to start a company, as Dream Forge has been in business for a while already.

This KS is to, well, kick start the plastic kit production and to fund the tooling start up costs which are substantial to say the least.

I was wondering if anyone else out there who is getting a 28mm Crusader or Mortis would be willing to go half-sies with me on 4 weapon arms. I can't afford $75 for 4 arms (when I really only want 2) but could do $37.50 for 2 weapon arms.

Anyone else out there in the same boat? If so, let me know, in thread or PM.

-C6

had you been in the EU I'd have gladly done that. now, it's not such a good idea

Cathar, I'm about to head out the door with the family right now, but might be able to help you out, also if anyone is wanting extra shadoketh let me know, I can at least order the four. US only please.

Theophony wrote:
Cathar, I'm about to head out the door with the family right now, but might be able to help you out, also if anyone is wanting extra shadoketh let me know, I can at least order the four. US only please.

Me too! (out the door w/ffamily) but I'll get in touch. Thanks

-C6

...added two of the little mechs. couldn't resist.

Only about $500 to go until we hit $100K!

Hey were going the wrong way!

Yeah, it was bouncing back and forth by that $100 as someone fidgeted with their pledge I guess

 catharsix wrote:

 malfred wrote:
I'll probably buy a kit when it's released.

At this point I'm a bit confused. I thought that the point of Kickstarter was to start small companies, not simply fund one-off projects. Of course, maybe it can be used to to one and/or the other, but what is this one? Is this just to make a bunch of great plastic kits, to perhaps expand later, or is this really starting up the company now? When all the molds for this stuff are made, will Mark be making stuff in the future, available in stores or at his site, or will we have to wait for another Kickstarter, or what?

I should have said if.

I won't fund a kickstarter for models. My money is already tied up
in models I want now. If the kickstarter leads to a wider release, great.

If not, oh well.

$377 to go till we hit 100k.

And it's GOOD! 100k baby! Can we make the assault troopers that I'm so drooling over? Will Iron Core conquer the earth? Find out sunday sunday sundaaaaay!

Woot woot! We made it, easily getting 15mm mortis and weapons now, should make the heavies too, at least the first.

Great!!! And now please please 5K more, i want that command squad!!! OK and all the other goodies too!!

Kicktracker is projecting that we'll be just shy of the 130k marker... unless a big miracle happens it seems my dream of $22 for 10 sexy termies won't happen. Ah well. These I will be bloody well pleased to buy retail.

I can't quite understand the KS page - it's not clear. Are the 15mm weapons and the Heavy Trooper Support at $11 for 1/$19 for 2 $25 for 3/+$8 for each box past 3

Or is it the Heavy Trooper Support and Assault?

Maybe not. The projection cone is from $120K and $150K. Average that and you're looking at $135K.

Why not help yourself out and add some to your pledge anyway.

Scipio, the 15mm arms are $10 + postage, buy 3 get 1 free. So the $11 etc are for the heavy trooper 5 man sets.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Maybe not. The projection cone is from $120K and $150K. Average that and you're looking at $135K.

Why not help yourself out and add some to your pledge anyway.

Scipio, the 15mm arms are $10 + postage, buy 3 get 1 free. So the $11 etc are for the heavy trooper 5 man sets.

The extra money for my assault troopers will be on my pledge till the 0 hour. Should we fail. If we succeed it shall remain.

$100K!

You little ripper...long range shooty goodness by 2 for my Crusader!!!

Good on you, Mark!!!

 Padre wrote:
$100K!

You little ripper...long range shooty goodness by 2 for my Crusader!!!

Good on you, Mark!!!

Almost enuff dakka right Padre? Now if only we could stick a third one on there...

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Maybe not. The projection cone is from $120K and $150K. Average that and you're looking at $135K.

Why not help yourself out and add some to your pledge anyway.

Scipio, the 15mm arms are $10 + postage, buy 3 get 1 free. So the $11 etc are for the heavy trooper 5 man sets.

No - check out the page right under



the $11 prices are listed twice. Above and below the Heavy Trooper Support. I'm trying to figure out exactly what is offered at that price. Besides the obvious - of the HTS.

Or if it being up there twice is a typo.

Yes, the $11 are for the 5 man heavy trooper SETS.

The Heavy trooper support unlocked at $120K

and

Heavy trooper assault. unlocked at $130K.

check it out in the online calculator.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Padre wrote:
$100K!

You little ripper...long range shooty goodness by 2 for my Crusader!!!

Good on you, Mark!!!

Almost enuff dakka right Padre? Now if only we could stick a third one on there...

Yep, almost enough... wonder how it would look with a "top mount" like a Reaver...

(mutters to self insanely, "Guns, yes guns, my precious.....")

Scipio- I have the answer, it's because the Heavy Trooper Assault and Support 5-man boxes cost the same (so the second entry is actually for the Assault boxes, which are next).

Here's a cheat sheet I converted from someone's comment on the Kickstarter page

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Pledge Cheat Sheet

Full-size Leviathan Crusader/Mortis
Leviathan - $89 per or - $165 (2) - $240 (3)- $300 for 4
Weapons - $25 per or - $75 for 4

4.5" Size Leviathan Crusader/Mortis
Leviathan - $44 per or - $79 (2) - $105 (3)
Weapons - $10 per or - $30 for 4

Troopers
Troopers (box of 20) - $39 per or - $69 for 2 - $88 for 3
Trooper Support Weapons (box of 9 with 3 heavy guns) - $33 per or - $60 for 2 - $79 for 3
Trooper Command (box of 10) - $30 per or - $57 for 2 - $75 for 3
Accessory Pack - $10 (1 comes free with each box of 20 Troopers)

Heavy Troopers
Heavy Assault Troopers (box of 5) - $11 per or - $19 for 2 - $25 for 3
Heavy Support Troopers (box of 5) - $11 per or - $19 for 2 - $25 for 3
Heavy Core Troopers (box of 20) - $42 per or - $75 for 2 - $99 for 3

Shadokesh
Feral with handler (2 figures) - $4 per, maximum of 5 (one comes free with any pledge of $20 or more)

Vehicles
APC - Unknown

Quantity Discount Note: Further models on top of the highest quantity discount cost the same unit price (i.e. a 5th full-size Leviathan would be $75)
Shipping Note: Stage 1 items ship free in the US. However, to have Stage 2 and Stage 3 items shipped separately, there is a $7.00 fee for each stage.

International shipping should be calculated by entering everything you want in the online calculator, using the "International" tab at the top:
http://www.dreamforge-games.com/kickstartshipping/DFCalc.htm

Note, you no longer need to download this... it's pretty sweet!

Hmm...$152 for a 28mm Mortis with two Maulers. Might have to wait and go for the 15mm version

@charax. Depends on what your wanting to use it as. If you wanting a Titan then go for the 28mm....you won't be disappointed.
If your wanting a or daemon engine stand in then 15mm, still won't be disappointed.

But if you want some real fun get both

Female Variant:

WIP - Dreamforge Kriegsmarine body with Statuesque Minis Female Resistance Fighter Head - will be used as New DAK Bodyguard Trooper
The Water Bottle and Cloth are from a 1/48 Tamiya German Infantry Plastic set.

Works for me.
To be honest I would love to see the Kriegsmarine upper bodies and backpacks as a Stretchgoal, since I really do not like the Heavy Troopers so much.
They look too much like Fantasy to me and are IMO not fitting to the "normal" troopers. The weird war feeling is definitely gone.

AAN wrote:
Female Variant:

The shoulders need to be narrower, but apart from that, it's a good fit.

The "leggy" metals lend themselves decently well to a female mini. The tweaked legs (slightly thicker/shorter) of the plastic ones might not do as well, though.

Thanks for the pic

AAN wrote:

To be honest I would love to see the Kriegsmarine upper bodies and backpacks as a Stretchgoal, since I really do not like the Heavy Troopers so much.
They look too much like Fantasy to me and are IMO not fitting to the "normal" troopers. The weird war feeling is definitely gone.

Was Dream Forge ever about "Weird War 2"?

I mean the Mortis was their first set no? That would seem to indicate sci fi fantasy

I say it looks perfect! There would be no doubt in my mind that it is a female inside the armour instead of just a quick head swap. I do agree that the shoulders look a little large but that is in comparison to the helmet and not a bare head, be it male or female.

And yay for $100k!

 kenshin620 wrote:

AAN wrote:

To be honest I would love to see the Kriegsmarine upper bodies and backpacks as a Stretchgoal, since I really do not like the Heavy Troopers so much.
They look too much like Fantasy to me and are IMO not fitting to the "normal" troopers. The weird war feeling is definitely gone.

Was Dream Forge ever about "Weird War 2"?

I mean the Mortis was their first set no? That would seem to indicate sci fi fantasy

Short version:
Less Weird War 2, and more Weird War 1. The Eisenkern origin is that they're WWI Germans in SPPPAAACCCEEEE! (couldn't resist)
You can read the Iron Core fluff here: http://www.dreamforge-games.com/game.html

Interesting, I never noticed it before but as I was going to up my pledge for more than the listed amount, I saw that the the 'everything beyond the listed quantities' is listed at the median price. Why is that?

Example: heavy trooper 5 man units
1 - $11
2 - $19 (difference of $8)
3 - $25 (difference of $6)
4 - $33 (difference of $8)

The same could be said for any of the other items. Wouldn't a 5th Crusader be $60 instead of $75 if there was no further price break?

I'm not a salesman (anymore), but doesn't this seem really weird to anyone else that it would go up? In bulk usually means lower prices.

Charax wrote:
Hmm...$152 for a 28mm Mortis with two Maulers. Might have to wait and go for the 15mm version

That seems high, you know that he comes with one mauler right?

 AlexHolker wrote:

AAN wrote:
Female Variant:

The shoulders need to be narrower, but apart from that, it's a good fit.

Honestly, not for me. I can easily see a big sporty woman in that huge armour, the pads alone are adding a lot to the mini.
(BTW - I was considering to simply not adding the should pads, but it just did not looked right to me.)

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 kenshin620 wrote:

AAN wrote:

To be honest I would love to see the Kriegsmarine upper bodies and backpacks as a Stretchgoal, since I really do not like the Heavy Troopers so much.
They look too much like Fantasy to me and are IMO not fitting to the "normal" troopers. The weird war feeling is definitely gone.

Was Dream Forge ever about "Weird War 2"?
I mean the Mortis was their first set no? That would seem to indicate sci fi fantasy

Short version:
Less Weird War 2, and more Weird War 1. The Eisenkern origin is that they're WWI Germans in SPPPAAACCCEEEE! (couldn't resist)
You can read the Iron Core fluff here: http://www.dreamforge-games.com/game.html

According to the fluff yes, but the whole mini design is IMO firmly based on WW II German troops.
And I agree completely, Dreamforge is not weird WW II - more Grey Knight superdreadnought, titan stuff.
And following that line the heavy troper fit in...

But the "Eisenkern" and "Kriegsmarine" troops are another story...
I had a hard time to explain the customs offer here in Germany that Eisenkern Sturmtruppen are not some Nazi devotional stuff!

Stumped up for a 15mm crusader, my kickstarter budget has been dangerously depleted already by sedition wars and relic knights.

Kaiohx- It's not done as median price, but the same price-per-unit that the best discount offers. I.e. 3 for 25 = $8 apiece. This is how Mark explained it

Silly question, but since there are so many available swaps and substitutions, I think I should ask.

If you spend $19 for two 5-man heavy boxes, can you take one box as assault and one as support? Or do they both need to be the same type, i.e. both assault?

I ask because I want to pledge for both kinds, but I'm worried the stretch goal might not be met for both...

RiTides wrote:Kaiohx- It's not done as median price, but the same price-per-unit that the best discount offers. I.e. 3 for 25 = $8 apiece. This is how Mark explained it

I know my basic math is really rusty, but wouldn't that put it at $24 (3*8=24) then? Any way you slice it, it doesn't make sense.

He rounds down the fractions, rather than rounding up. Sure, you save only a few cents here and there, but I prefer it that way to, say, paying the higher price no matter how many boxes you buy.

Like some companies.

Yeah, it's rounded . The only one that isn't, I think, is the 20-man stormtrooper box, which is $29.33 to add more of after the maximum discount. That was decided early on, and I think since then he decided rounding was easier for everyone.

We're getting close to 500 backers (8 to go!), and the command squad stretch goal (1.6K to go!)

Command Squad soon, and it seems like the mini-Mortis won't be all that far behind.

If there is a last-minute influx/rush of pledges (and/or upped pledges for more/newly unlocked stuff) then hopefully we might see the Heavy Trooper Support Squad, but I'm not holding my breath for the Assault Squad or Valkir (but I could be wrong. be pretty great if I was!)

C/mon $110,000!

-C6

Well, Kicktraq has it trending towards 130K (with a range of 120K - 150K). So, I guess we'll see but I anticipate hitting the Support and Assault squads, and hopefully the Valkir!

If all of that does happen, I am very curious if he will go ahead and release the APC with a next year timeframe (i.e. without a kickstarter to fund it). I hope so, as I would certainly preorder some directly

I'm in for a mini-me.

Why, KS, why do you take all my money?

Cant wait for a few more hours,then another KS will be done and those who are addicted to them will come here to spend money glad were passed the $100k and I think well be on the higher end of the kicktraq guestimate when all is said and done.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I will be bloody well pleased to buy retail.

I agree. Right now Im not in the best financial situation, so my contribution is pretty limited, but by next spring Ill be in a much better spot, and looking to throw some $$$ at Dreamforge, especially as the Shadokesh and eventually Protectorate get developed.

Tannhauser42 wrote:Less Weird War 2, and more Weird War 1. The Eisenkern origin is that they're WWI Germans in SPPPAAACCCEEEE! (couldn't resist)

Everything's better in SPPPAAACCCEEEE! WWI Germans, curiosity cores, annoying neighbours...

AAN wrote:To be honest I would love to see the Kriegsmarine upper bodies and backpacks as a Stretchgoal, since I really do not like the Heavy Troopers so much.

The arms are the only piece kept between the two sets of armour (since they work just as well with either and enable the accessory sprue etc. to be shared). I cropped together two older renders to show the difference (click to cromulently embiggen):



If you're wanting a Weird WWII vibe then the Kreigsmarines are definitely the way to go. Conversely, Stormtroopers are obviously the more betterer choice for future sci-fi.

The female head-swap doesn't really work. The shoulders are already a hair too wide for most men (in order to ease the fit of the weapons) and it's just too much with a woman inside. (Though the smaller head does have the interesting side effect of improving the look of the backpack since its top section looks too small by default.) That said, a head AND torso swap should work.

scipio.au wrote:Or if it being up there twice is a typo.

That threw me too – I was sure it was supposed to be $11 etc for the 15mm arms, $42 etc for the boxes of 5 Support or Assault Heavy Troopers, and a then-undisclosed price for the box of 20 Valkir Heavy Troopers with optional weapons and accessories, since that would be more consistent with how the other infantry boxes had been priced – but Mark confirmed in the last post on page 36 that it's just poor layout.

But don't the new renders show that the shoulders on the plastic kits are going to be tighter than these older ones? It would probably mean all my women are olympic east german swimmers, but still...

On the other hand, bombshell babes got my curves fix covered.

Yes, the shoulders were one of the things he tweaked, from what he posted on the KS- not sure if that image represents the tweaked form or not.

As noted on the image those are not the current version; they're the renders from the metal ones for comparison between the Kriegsmarine look and the Sturmtruppen.

Now that RK is over hopefully this will get more love there was no competing with that on its' final day yesterday.

Bumped my total a few hundred, managed to resist relic knights, luckily my boss kept us late and I missed the last few hours . Don't tell me I can still order from them, mark won't like it.

And I've just bumped mine by $50. Jeez, I hope I can resist adding to it again, but I think I've got everything that I will need now.

And I've had to write up what I've now pledged for. I've changed my mind several times, and added stuff about 4 times now, so I keep forgetting what I was going for, had to look again, and decided that I had not pledged enough money for what I really wanted.

Hopefully this has now finished thanks to me having it all written down, as I really can't afford more at the moment.

Still, I'm hoping to see another kickstarter for the APC next year, and maybe one for one or more of the other factions.

Sweet, only $200 away from command squad

And we're over $105k..

If you need to write down what your wanting that shipping calculator works great and then just hit print.

Woo! Command squad achieved!

Theophony wrote:
Bumped my total a few hundred, managed to resist relic knights, luckily my boss kept us late and I missed the last few hours . Don't tell me I can still order from them, mark won't like it.

Im sure you can, but the kickstarter estimated delivery is May, so no point in ordering for around 6 months or so.

Mark did some sneaky stuff last night..

The heavy Valkir were unlocked along with the command squad at $105!

Decisions, decisions...

Reaper still offered people the chance to get the minis after their KS ended, if I remember. At that price, mind you, not full retail.

I would have loved me a Cthulhu...

Come on, peeps, an extra 5K and we can all glory in the greatness of the miniature mortis. If you can call 4,5'' high miniature...

What I am really stoked about though is that we'll be getting goodies before the holidays, if everything goes well. And technically, I suppose the Leviathan moulds are paid for, so Mark can relax vis-à-vis his credit, I guess? The man will sleep for a week after this is over.

I would be pretty shocked if this thing doesnt blow past 120k by the end

I'm expecting 130, I wouldn't be surprised it if it ended up at 140 or 150 in the last minute rush.

I wonder, is there going to be an added accessory sprue for the Valkir like the regular infantry have?

Valkir contents up. 20 troops. 20 Heavy rifle, 5x Heavy Grenade Launchers, 5x Heavy Flamers.
Pouches and accessories to kit out all 20 troops.

if you don't have any Phase 1 pledged, has anyone noticed the online calculator doesn't update to include the bonus shadokesh model? Ex: I have a box of valkir pledged but it doesn't update to show I'm getting a feral handler. I would assume it's a bug?

Man i wanna see the flamer!

Well adding some more heavy's to the shopping basket now! Guess Mark was as eager to make them as I was to buy them!

 kaiohx wrote:
if you don't have any Phase 1 pledged, has anyone noticed the online calculator doesn't update to include the bonus shadokesh model? Ex: I have a box of valkir pledged but it doesn't update to show I'm getting a feral handler. I would assume it's a bug?

Yep, any backing of $20 or more gets a Shadokesh.... Just lots of formulas at work in the spreadsheet so it may not reflect that fact right now.

Awesome that heavies are in! Next 3 stretches are very close... Hoping APC gets added as a final one

My individual pledge is 378$. I'm shocked Mark was able to coax that much money out of me. My group and I amount for about 1% of the cost of the moulds.

It's crack, I tell you.

Now that APC does look sweet, don't get me wrong, but I would gladly see it released next year, outside of a kickstarter, as part of a successful business model that took off with all of us chipping in. And getting goodies.

@Matt, by that price I would guess you did what I did and just got one (maybe two) of everything!

And yeah, it would be nice to see the money we are chipping in now affecting the business in the long run. Gives one a sense of achievement along with piles of cool minis.

My pledge is ~$500 atm, but i consider roughly £300 a great price for a Knight Maniple and supporting Skitarii

We have a pretty good day going guys, anyone still one the fence just needs to hop on now. Less than a week left until we finalize, and if we start the push now I'm sure mark probably has a few ideas stashed away. You can always add/change later, but if the numbers aren't there he might not add them to this ks.

Just added another 20 stormtroopers, couldn't resist!

I'm still deciding what exactly I want and dropping the valkir screwed all the up...

While the price isn't an issue (I believe I mentioned I buy GW regularly), I'm just not sure what I want (TWO OF EVERYTHING! AT LEAST!) is going to line up with what I'll be able to make use of (as the pile of metal Sturmtruppen still in their baggies glare at me...).

I'll figure it out eventually tho...even if it means doubling my already-more-than-I-thought-it-would-be pledge...

I will buy at least 2 of the APC's when they are available. I've already grabbed 20 stormtroopers. I may grab a 15mm Crusader if I end up having extra money this month.
Great work, I hope to buy more of your plastic models!

Well, I wanted to make sure I could bring enough models to present them to local gaming stores, see if I can jazz up interest in carrying the line.

See, it almost sounds rational when I say it like this?

I seem to be doing the exact same as you! Heck, just this second I decided to have three sets of support weapons instead of the one...

Current pledge is a nice round $290 because I am impatient and want my stuff as soon as possible!

It would be great to see the APC come out, though I would be able to get in on it now, I would be all over at least 1 as soon as it went up for general sale.

Ive got to say though, this kickstarter is well set to have Eisenkern well started, so next should be some other factions. I know Shadokesh is slated for ASAP, but I think another human faction should follow soon as well...I would like to suggest the Protectorate...

I'd prefer the republic...

If he wants something less stressful, and to give the universe more flavour, he could focus on the independent states next. Not a full faction release, but a few kits to act as mercenaries to other factions.

We are at 110K even so 15mm weapons and Mortis are a go!!

Yeah today is a good day for pledges! At this rate we may see the APC in the kickstarter as well (Mark has confirmed that should the pledges get high enough it will be an option!)

Sigh... welp that's another $50 down the drain, getting me some Valkir and 10 heavy assault troopers ^^

Heavies are in?????

Ah hell, there goes my money...

Anyone know if the Mortis right arm is locked outward like that or if that's just a possible pose? Might be interested in 3 of the baby Mortis for my Iron Warriors.....

Another 9k, and we have a complete alternative to a Grey Knight army including 2 different dreadknights
The Keiler is Land Raider sized you said?

$9K until until the last of the heavies are unlocked.
The newest update states the following as the next goals:
$115k Heavy Trooper Support Weapons Set
$120k Heavy Trooper Assault Squad
$$$$$ APC

While I can't up my pledge to include the heavies (already did that over the weekend ), if the APCs unlock, that may push me over the $1000 mark, as I want at least six of those.

I already own one of the resin mortis.. already pledged for 2 more titans, now 40 of those infantry guys..

Probably will want 40-60 of those awesome looking heavy troopers too.

15mm Mortis Unlocked

All 15mm scale weapons Unlocked

Valkir Unlocked

$111k movint to $115k

Here is a scale comp of the Heavy

Scale pic is nice!

APC tease in the update... hmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Two things are for sure if that happens:

1) You will get more money out of me
2) Despite "1", I would probably additionally redirect some of my current pledge to be APCs... as right now I pledged for a lot of extra light infantry items but need the APCs more than something like a second command squad. But either way, it will get more funds out of me!

 NoseGoblin wrote:
15mm Mortis Unlocked

All 15mm scale weapons Unlocked

Valkir Unlocked

$111k movint to $115k

Here is a scale comp of the Heavy

Hmmm gentlemen (and ladies if there are any) I firmly believe that with the Heavy Assaults proportioned as they are to the silhouette of the model for "that other company" that with the beefy look they have, the could substitute for heavy infantry of said "other company". This has been my belief from the start but I feel this reinforces it. Thoughts?

I will be using the heavy infantry as Artificer Armour units for "that other company"

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 NoseGoblin wrote:
15mm Mortis Unlocked

All 15mm scale weapons Unlocked

Valkir Unlocked

$111k movint to $115k

Here is a scale comp of the Heavy

Hmmm gentlemen (and ladies if there are any) I firmly believe that with the Heavy Assaults proportioned as they are to the silhouette of the model for "that other company" that with the beefy look they have, the could substitute for heavy infantry of said "other company". This has been my belief from the start but I feel this reinforces it. Thoughts?

that silhouette reinforces my repeated decision to scream shut up and take my money

 Kroothawk wrote:
Another 9k, and we have a complete alternative to a Grey Knight army including 2 different dreadknights
The Keiler is Land Raider sized you said?

This makes me wonder...Will the heavies' heads fit on the normal stormtroopers?

Pledge is fully updated for a pair of Crusaders, 4 weapons arms and 4x Heavy Assault Trooper sets, shipped as they come.

Under $300 for approximately $1200 of stuff from... some other company.

I hearby submit Mark's name for King of the Universe.

Edit, off by $100 on my "Other Company" estimate. ^^;

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Pledge is fully updated for a pair of Crusaders, 4 weapons arms and 4x Heavy Assault Trooper sets, shipped as they come.

Under $300 for approximately $1200 of stuff from... some other company.

I hearby submit Mark's name for King of the Universe.

Edit, off by $100 on my "Other Company" estimate. ^^;

Mark for the "counts-as" Golden Throne!

Yes, I seriously considered that possibility- however, I already have excellent counts-as marines, which is why I'm here for the stormtroopers and hopefully soon APCs

Edit: And now today's funding is the highest yet... even more than Day 1!

This is the chart I'm referring to, from Kicktraq:

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, I seriously considered that possibility- however, I already have excellent counts-as marines, which is why I'm here for the stormtroopers and hopefully soon APCs

Edit: And now today's funding is the highest yet... even more than Day 1!

This is the chart I'm referring to, from Kicktraq:

Yep, if it holds, we beat our first day totals.....

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, I seriously considered that possibility- however, I already have excellent counts-as marines, which is why I'm here for the stormtroopers and hopefully soon APCs

Edit: And now today's funding is the highest yet... even more than Day 1!

This is the chart I'm referring to, from Kicktraq:

Yep, if it holds, we beat our first day totals.....

Beat it out by $28!

I'm glad we got some people off the fence yesterday, and now the upward projections have bumped even higher. Let's keep the trend going. I don't know how much its costing mark for the tooling of the sprues for some of these other sets, but at least the crusader is paid for. Is love for us to help him get the mortis paid for or even the mini guys set up as I think over the long haul those will probably produce more in returns as counts as dreadknights.

Only thing that bugs me is that I wish you could get the Valkir in 5 man groups for $11 like the assault and support guys. I just can't swing the cash for 20 of the guys, but would buy 5 or 10 in a heartbeat. I'm not even sure what I would do with them, but their main rifles just look awesome.

Have you considered doing just a 5 or 10 man increment of the valkir? I'd imagine you had to abandon it because of manufacturing or shipping concerns correct?

How is the total affecting the eventual retail prices of the kits? Would you be able to release the crusaders for, say $10 or $20 less than you're currently planning if you didn't have to fund any more stretch goals?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Only thing that bugs me is that I wish you could get the Valkir in 5 man groups for $11 like the assault and support guys. I just can't swing the cash for 20 of the guys, but would buy 5 or 10 in a heartbeat. I'm not even sure what I would do with them, but their main rifles just look awesome.

Have you considered doing just a 5 or 10 man increment of the valkir? I'd imagine you had to abandon it because of manufacturing or shipping concerns correct?

I'd probably take a 10 man Valkir increment, I think it's because they're a core infantry choice though. The support gunners and assault troopers are elites, while the Valkir are heavy troopers they're "basic" so you want to buy those particular squaddies en masse.

On a side note I must revise my earlier math yet again on how much this would cost me from a certain other company.

Roughly: $1326

You could put it up another $72 if you wanted to count ALL the vulcan cannons. I didn't count the CCW arms.

So... ahh Mark, will DFG accept direct deposit of my paycheck? XD

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
How is the total affecting the eventual retail prices of the kits? Would you be able to release the crusaders for, say $10 or $20 less than you're currently planning if you didn't have to fund any more stretch goals?

I doubt that would change for the pennies (comparatively) left on the stretch goals here. From my understanding it's a math problem to set the price high enough that you can give the retailer a discount and still make a profit yourself, let the retailer make some money and still not rape the customer's wallet with a razor edged vacuum hose.

Yeah that's what I figured. I was just going to buy them so I could have some "spess mehreens" for playing around with, and these guys look like they beat up GW marines and steal their lunch money on a daily basis. And since my store doesn't care about 3rd party, and my storm troopers are becoming sisters of battle...

I wish I had another $40 laying around, I'd buy those guys in a heartbeat. Oh well, at least we know they'll be for sale in retail for sure now!

I'm in for some Heavy Assault troopers to go with my 15mm Crusader.

Good KS campaigns like this are just too hard to resist

Wham, bam and thank you ma'am, that's the 115k marker and the sane population of the United States hasn't even thought about waking up yet.

I finally stopped fooling myself that i was going to wait for these to go retail and pledged for 20 troopers and 1 set of support weapons. At the very least they'll be a decent contribution to my mixed IG regiment allies.

heh, running out of stretch goals now...

On the one hand I want more stretch goals, but my wallet says noooooo. I don't know if it would be better for mark to not put any more up and just take the extra financing to work on paying down mold debt, or if he can get wgf to create a stage 4 scenario. I would think he needs to hold onto something for the next kickstarter like the apc, or the next Titan design.

Charax wrote:
heh, running out of stretch goals now...

APC baby that's all I ask for! 4 days left, pace picking up... we can do this!

If the APC does end up going up, I'll have to get one. The only problem is, you'll hear my wallet creaking under the strain all the way to America!

MrMoustaffa wrote:Have you considered doing just a 5 or 10 man increment of the valkir? I'd imagine you had to abandon it because of manufacturing or shipping concerns correct?

From the listed contents, it sounds like the Valkir box consists of two copies of a sprue of ten armless Heavies and one copy of a sprue of arms/weapons. Presumably Mark felt a single sprue of five Heavies and their arms/weapons lacked enough variety for a core unit choice, and I'd have to agree.

RiTides wrote:Edit: And now today's funding is the highest yet... even more than Day 1!

This is the chart I'm referring to, from Kicktraq:

Wait, what? The chart I'm seeing looks like this:



Even the 29th didn't exceed Day 1. What does the chart you're seeing look like?

Hulksmash wrote:Anyone know if the Mortis right arm is locked outward like that or if that's just a possible pose?

It's just a possible pose.

 AlexHolker wrote:
I don't agree with the reasoning. It's a wheeled vehicle instead of a half-track, and powered by a supertech powerplant instead of a 1930s vintage ICE, so it shouldn't need such a big engine. Giving it one anyway as a shout-out to the 251 comes at the cost of usefulness as a gaming piece and crossover appeal.

Perhaps grooves could be added to the inside to indicate cut-lines for a Holker-pattern Keilerkopf with a smaller engine. That would require almost zero changes to the model and leave those who prefer the full-fat version unaffected, whilst aiding converters in cutting straight lines in the same places. Plus, once someone uploads templates of whatever pieces of plasticard they'd determined via trial-and-error to best join the two retained sections together everyone else can simply print them out on a big label, stick it on to a sheet of plasticard and cut out the pieces. Much easier.

I think maybe youve got the old one stuck in your cache or something?

This is what i see

Well, if the Valkir look that good, why stop myself from getting them, right? I'm already waiting for some stage 3 stuff, so I'll just add a box... just one box, it shouldn't hurt the wallet too much... hopefully.

As KalashnikovMarine just said, I was shocked to see that today's total was already in the 3K range, and it's not even 9:00 AM on the East Coast.

At least that money should go towards making this experience decidedly different from the whole hullabaloo WGF went through last time.

What hullabaloo would that be?
Oh.. and Hooray! Maybe we'll see something other than the APC... maybe the Puma?

The whole Wargames Factory takeover. I think there are still people on both side of the fence on this argument. I'm not sure if it is PC actually discuss it in the open. Can anyone weigh in on this before I actually do something bad?

I'd take it to pms so we don't derail the ks.

Also mark has a video up, I think it's new, hadn't seen I yet. Shows where we're at now.

I'll just say that the idea that Ghost Studios might try to seize control of DreamForge Games's work is rather less credible now than it was before Tony started Defiance Games. After all, Tony might have shed the so-called millstone around his neck, but I can still count the deadlines he hasn't missed on one finger.

True as well, Alex. Although data seems to imply that the more successful a KS is, the more delays there will be. Mark might make them lie, however.

Oh how I would love to see that.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Although data seems to imply that the more successful a KS is, the more delays there will be.

Based on my own, yes, that is totally true :/

 Necros wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Although data seems to imply that the more successful a KS is, the more delays there will be.

Based on my own, yes, that is totally true :/

Yeah!

All joking aside, I think dreamforge might be getting some of my money now. I just have to decide what I want to buy. I don't NEED 60 stormtroopers, but who knows!

sparkywtf wrote:

 Necros wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Although data seems to imply that the more successful a KS is, the more delays there will be.

Based on my own, yes, that is totally true :/

Yeah!

All joking aside, I think dreamforge might be getting some of my money now. I just have to decide what I want to buy. I don't NEED 60 stormtroopers, but who knows!

like you said...you have to decide what you WANT...not what you need

So close to the 120k stretch goal... we need a new one !

APC ?

Pretty please

Okay, time for me to get off the fence, pull the trigger and pledge ...

Do we have a general idea what these kits will be when they hit the street ? I have to weigh what I spend now against what it will cost later.

@Myrthe

More than the Kickstarter price, especially if you go in on the multiples. My guess is since he's added so much stuff that the pricing will be at least 20% than the base kickstarter price. That's just an estimate but since he threw all the extra stuff in I'd say it's a solid one.

Okay, took the plunge and helped the project to reach 120k

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Myrthe

More than the Kickstarter price, especially if you go in on the multiples. My guess is since he's added so much stuff that the pricing will be at least 20% than the base kickstarter price. That's just an estimate but since he threw all the extra stuff in I'd say it's a solid one.

Great, thanks !! Now to go beat my whimpering wallet into submission. SO many Kickstarters, so little money !!!

Okay Mark, bring forth the APC we are real close now to unlocking everything and I need some rides for my stormtroopers and heavy troopers to ride in.

Tooling for the Leviathan Legs! Update #44
There has been a lot of re-engineering of these components from the resin model you have seen. The only thing left to add is the numbers on the sprues, they will cut these into the mold after they have done the test shots.

When assembled, this kit will stand on its own and hold a pose… You will be able to play with it quite a bit before using a dab of glue to lock it into place. I don’t know about you, but I am excited!

The 15mm kits will share the same part layout!

Exciting, isn't it

 Vitruvian XVII wrote:
I think maybe youve got the old one stuck in your cache or something?

This is what i see *SNIP*

Linking directly to the image doesn't help! But you were right about the cache. CTRL+F5 fixed things.


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 Slinky wrote:
The 15mm kits will share the same part layout!

Heh, guess that explains the relative pricing of the kits if the molds for the 15mm versions are – runners etc. aside obviously – just the 28mm ones cut at half-scale. Little dudes' gonna be so detailed.

We only need one nice big pledge to get us to $120k! Anyone who is wanting to pledge put hasn't made the plunge, do it now!


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Huh. That was fast. $120k!

120k blown!

Uppened my pledge to accomodate for the heavy troopers and to have everything shipped when ready!

Now, only the APC might come and <force> me to uppen the pledge further... *hint hint* *wink wink*

Wooooo! 20 fresh Termies to fill out my death wing!

Another good day for pledges, let's keep it going, the more in the better off mark will be for the next set of kits.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Only thing that bugs me is that I wish you could get the Valkir in 5 man groups for $11 like the assault and support guys. I just can't swing the cash for 20 of the guys, but would buy 5 or 10 in a heartbeat. I'm not even sure what I would do with them, but their main rifles just look awesome.

Have you considered doing just a 5 or 10 man increment of the valkir? I'd imagine you had to abandon it because of manufacturing or shipping concerns correct?

I'd probably take a 10 man Valkir increment, I think it's because they're a core infantry choice though. The support gunners and assault troopers are elites, while the Valkir are heavy troopers they're "basic" so you want to buy those particular squaddies en masse.

Unless it's a tooling issue, it would be good to see them offered in the smaller amounts, just as the regular (base) infantry are. While there will be an eventual DreamForge game, many of us are realistically buying them for use in other games or as painting projects so making them only available (in the KS) "by the book" isn't as useful to the project as it might otherwise be.

A question - probably answered in the preceding 45 pages, but will the 28mm and/or 15mm Mortis come with the extra gatling arm/power plant?

The 28mm Mortis will come with the extra Vulcan and Capacitors.

Mark, with all these stretch goals coming so thick and fast it puts a lot of pressure on backers to decide what they want now. Would you like me to create a pledge manager for you? It would allow an extra month and a half to convince friends to buy in or to come up with the funds for a larger order.

Sorry I didn't offer earlier. I assumed the pledge calculator was a...web-stuff-thingy, which I'm not especially au fait with. It was only upon looking at the page code on a whim that I discovered it was just a converted Excel sheet. That makes it completely trivial compared to some of the stuff I've done in the past. I can send you samples of similar work if you'd like proof of this.

Essentially, you would send out the Kickstarter survey as planned, it would just become a preliminary guide for producing enough stock for the November orders rather than the final say. The data from that gets used to automatically populate a second page on your spreadsheet, random passwords are generated and mail merge is used to email each backer their password and a link to the pledge manager page (which would now include validation for, for example, ensuring no more than four additional feral Shadokesh and handlers are included, and only if the pledge is at least $20). Once the backer chooses to finalise their order (or at the end of October if they haven't already) they are redirected to Paypal (or sent an email containing the relevant link) to make up any shortfall, either with their Paypal account or with their credit card via Paypal. There's even specific functionality in SpreadsheetConverter to make it completely foolproof. Easy.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Wooooo! 20 fresh Termies to fill out my death wing!

Interesting - I plan to use them (initially) as PA marines alongside my metal GK terminators. Not sure which will look better, we'll see next year

Yeah I was just going to use them as space marines too. They look like actual power armored figures, unlike the GW space marines, which look a little small compared to my guardsmen.

ski2060 wrote:
The 28mm Mortis will come with the extra Vulcan and Capacitors.

It's not really an "extra" vulcan in the case of the Mortis, it's just "A Vulcan"

 Slinky wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Wooooo! 20 fresh Termies to fill out my death wing!

Interesting - I plan to use them (initially) as PA marines alongside my metal GK terminators. Not sure which will look better, we'll see next year

My fluff excuse is that they're Dark Age of Technology era Tactical Dread armor.

I dunno, when I saw them it immediately screamed termie counts as to me.

Charax wrote:

ski2060 wrote:
The 28mm Mortis will come with the extra Vulcan and Capacitors.

It's not really an "extra" vulcan in the case of the Mortis, it's just "A Vulcan"

The Mortis (15mm/28mm) is shown with claw and scythe, so any other weapon is extra and AFAIK not mentioned. Therefore I included an extra weapon in my pledge.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Charax wrote:

ski2060 wrote:
The 28mm Mortis will come with the extra Vulcan and Capacitors.

It's not really an "extra" vulcan in the case of the Mortis, it's just "A Vulcan"

The Mortis (15mm/28mm) is shown with claw and scythe, so any other weapon is extra and AFAIK not mentioned. Therefore I included an extra weapon in my pledge.

"Capacitor coolers and 100k stretch goal left hand Vulkan will be included! The Mortis will gain all Leviathan stretch goals but the excalibur sword"

So does that also apply to the 15mm Mortis?

Afaik no.

The 15mm only come with capacitors (and the extra blade for crusader pledges).

Kind of confused. If I just wanted the heavy troopers, what is the min pledge level I would have to make? Could I just pledge the amount for them + shipping?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Okay, took the plunge and helped the project to reach 120k

Awesome!

Construct- You may want to post that offer on the Kickstarter page. I know someone else made the web-based calculator for him and that was a big help. He'll be more likely to see your comment that way

I think the main thing keeping him from confirming a pledge manager is working out the details with the manufacturer... i.e. when they would need finalized numbers by. So, get your pledges in now just in case (I would love a pledge manager too, though, but am not going to be counting on it)

We have blown past the 120K stretch, at 122K now! My personal opinion is that Mark is working on a render / etc and will reveal the APC as the next stretch goal tonight or early tomorrow... let's see . I think it is Very likely this blows past 140K, and 150K as well... and the APC will probably need to be at one of those levels because it sounds like a large kit that would require a lot of additional tooling. I cannot wait to find out... that thing's awesome!

I would like be shifting some of my pledge items- i.e, pledging for APCs instead of the support weapons for my troopers, then buying the support weapons when they're available at the end of the year. Wouldn't make my pledge go down, though- if anything, I'll be adding to it.

Today is looking like we could make another huge leap, possibly another 1st place by day total.

Mark, I for one am pro-skirt on the heavies, I'm limiting myself to the leviathans for this ks, but just love the look with the skirt. After all if this is going to be the only ks ever to not have boobs then we should at least have skirts.

Sining wrote:
Kind of confused. If I just wanted the heavy troopers, what is the min pledge level I would have to make? Could I just pledge the amount for them + shipping?

He doesn't have a specific pledge for them, but he has said it doesn't matter what level you pledge at, anyway. Just pick a level and enter the correct total for the heavy troopers you want, and you'll fill out what items you were pledging for in the survey at the end.

Make sure to use the online calculator to figure out shipping, under the international tab at this link:
http://www.dreamforge-games.com/kickstartshipping/DFCalc.htm

 Construct wrote:
Mark, with all these stretch goals coming so thick and fast it puts a lot of pressure on backers to decide what they want now. Would you like me to create a pledge manager for you? It would allow an extra month and a half to convince friends to buy in or to come up with the funds for a larger order.

Sorry I didn't offer earlier. I assumed the pledge calculator was a...web-stuff-thingy, which I'm not especially au fait with. It was only upon looking at the page code on a whim that I discovered it was just a converted Excel sheet. That makes it completely trivial compared to some of the stuff I've done in the past. I can send you samples of similar work if you'd like proof of this.

Essentially, you would send out the Kickstarter survey as planned, it would just become a preliminary guide for producing enough stock for the November orders rather than the final say. The data from that gets used to automatically populate a second page on your spreadsheet, random passwords are generated and mail merge is used to email each backer their password and a link to the pledge manager page (which would now include validation for, for example, ensuring no more than four additional feral Shadokesh and handlers are included, and only if the pledge is at least $20). Once the backer chooses to finalise their order (or at the end of October if they haven't already) they are redirected to Paypal (or sent an email containing the relevant link) to make up any shortfall, either with their Paypal account or with their credit card via Paypal. There's even specific functionality in SpreadsheetConverter to make it completely foolproof. Easy.

Is it possible to increase the time of the KS now that it is already going? (and almost done). Extra time, if possible, and a pledge manager would be a great boon to a number of us pledgers, but maybe a headache for Mark, and possibly delay the ship dates. But anything that makes more stuff available to more people, and helps Mark get a firmer footing for future releases sounds good to me!

I don't know what ks rules are but couldn't we finish this one and give mark a week or two to sleep (or get our stuff figured out), then create a new one where it would have the stage 2 and above items along with new stuff like the apc. Or have the apc be the big goal and have all the rest available, but just slightly more than this ks so that people don't feel cheated that they ordered and it's available again.

I think it's best just to finish it off in one big shabang, and get all the momentum from that like other KS have done

And I don't think there's any way to change it, regardless... although certainly a pledge manager is a possibility, but one he can't confirm up to this point (hopefully he'll know one way or the other soon).

I think it might be nice to have a break - I think a lot of people's gaming income is just tapped out. I know I want more infantry particularly, but just can't afford to buy it now. Another Kickstarter a the start of 2013 though... I can save my pennies for that!

Agreed... although I'd love a future one to be for Shadokesh since this one is so focused on Eisenkern.

@ Mark

Good job so far =)
Any idea how the shipping value will be handled ? Like Reaper and the amount declared on the package will be the amount related to your pledge option ?
(Regardless of any options, if you took the 100$ option, they will declare 100$ for the value of the package)
Or if I pledge 500$, will it be 500$ on the package ? Because it will probably influence if I want the items to come in 3 steps or all at once.

And I just remembered... I hope he does ship with USPS. UPS, Fedex and DHL just charge so much for duty fees it's not even funny.

I had an order from FW cost me more in shipping and duties than the actual item once.


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Seeing those sprues was very, very cool, even if they were just renders, because you know if this is the case, then pre-prod isn't far behind, and then plasticky leviathan goodness...


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Oh and it seems the original thread on Warseer was deleted, I think because Mark was on there, and it's against their policies. So if anyone wants to, they should go over there and jazz it up a bit.

He said he will be using USPS, Mathieu

Oh good, chalk me relieved, then. I can go pick it up at my local PO, rather than having to rent a car to get to the depots on the other side of the island.

Woohoo!!! New #1 pledge day. Over $10,000 today.

Mark Mondragon wrote:I will try to get a stretch goal or two up for you tomorrow… I have some serious number crunching to do tonight and an AM call to China to go over a few things.

He posted the above on the Kickstarter comments. So, that's good! Only problem is, he's west coast time so that's going to be a bit of a wait yet

And we are over 125K!

and there are still quite a few hours until the west coast goes to sleep.

So, anyone here thinking about painting their leviathans in proper Iron-Core faction colours?

Mathieu I have no idea what I'm painting these death machines in color scheme wise. I have so many possibilities...

So about that new "catch all" pledge box, who should be using that?

At present I have my pledge listed at "I Need A Wing Man" as the two Crusaders are the bulk of my pledge. Should I change it? it all gets worked out in the post-KS survey any way no?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
and there are still quite a few hours until the west coast goes to sleep.

So, anyone here thinking about painting their leviathans in proper Iron-Core faction colours?

I'm not sure what proper colors are, it looks like gunmetal and heraldry for the most part from what ive seen (?)

Well, yes, the colours we've seen so far seem to indicate steel and heraldry.

And one thing I am not too sure about: The background mentions the Mortis being the reason Eisenkern still exists 200 years after meeting the Shadokesh (dates approximate) and we can assume the Crusader is also Eisenkern. Seeing as these are tithed to the Brotherhood as well [hello Warzone, I say], but is it fair to assume that the Republic or some wealthy independent would use these as well?

If I were a state at war, I would be leery of selling these to factions who cannot help me survive the invasion of a species bent on my annihilation. Call me conservative.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well, yes, the colours we've seen so far seem to indicate steel and heraldry.

And one thing I am not too sure about: The background mentions the Mortis being the reason Eisenkern still exists 200 years after meeting the Shadokesh (dates approximate) and we can assume the Crusader is also Eisenkern. Seeing as these are tithed to the Brotherhood as well [hello Warzone, I say], but is it fair to assume that the Republic or some wealthy independent would use these as well?

If I were a state at war, I would be leery of selling these to factions who cannot help me survive the invasion of a species bent on my annihilation. Call me conservative.

I believe it's said in the fluff that ALL the factions almost use Leviathans. I think it'd possibly be Eisenkern's principle export. "We'll give you one... for all this gak we need" "DEAL!"

I'd expect other factions to use Lev's that look vastly different. However Mark has not gotten to the point where he can design them yet being a very small and relatively new company.

All goals met! What do we hope for now? The APC?

Looks like it. Trés cool imho, too.

Although I think it would be sufficient to just be able to pay for all this goodness in tooling etc. without problem.

That is a sweet ride by the looks of that APC!

Yeah it is . Just waiting for Mark to wake up and call his manufacturer...

If not the APC, I'd like to see Mark have a go at a knightly not!Sisters sort of unit. Not that it's likely, of course.

Ok, I'm confusing myself again (big surprise, right? Hey, I'm old). I'm currently in for the "Serious Stompin'" pledge, which I'm going to choose a Mortis for. Now the Mort is a 2nd level item, meaning that I'll need to pay an extra $7.00 for shipping. Do I add that amount to my pledge, or pay it after the survey? This thread and the KS has changed so much and so fast that I can't find the answer to this.

they've got an online calculator here to help you out

http://www.dreamforge-games.com/kickstartshipping/DFCalc.htm

If you're paying shipping as it looks like you are add it to your pledge now

Yes, but I don't think you are entitled to ask for a Mortis at that level.

"Yes! When the Mortis gets unlocked, you can use group pricing (2 or more Leviathan kits pledged) and mix and match between the two Leviathan variants."

From the Q & A section at the bottom of the page.

I may be wrong though.

You can order a single Mortis, he was just clarifying they get group discounts, too.

Also, you only pay extra shipping if you want separate shipments. If all you are ordering will go out, or can be held till, stage 2, then you don't have to pay $7.00, as one shipment is included in the pledge cost.

I have to wait until Friday to pledge, but I'll likely be getting two kits, plus the arm bundle. I can't wait.

 RiTides wrote:
Also, you only pay extra shipping if you want separate shipments. If all you are ordering will go out, or can be held till, stage 2, then you don't have to pay $7.00, as one shipment is included in the pledge cost.

Ah, that's where my confusion was - thank you RiTides. I may yet pledge for infantry, so I needed to get the shipping straight.

Saphos wrote:
Looks like it. Trés cool imho, too.

Although I think it would be sufficient to just be able to pay for all this goodness in tooling etc. without problem.

So I think he's got a nice down payment, but he isn't in the clear by any means. He can manage it, no doubt, but ain't buyin' a Rolls right away.

Personally I think tooling another large kit at this point might not be the best idea. But that's just my opinion. He's already provided so much more than we expected on this. I think he should just ride it out to the end. But that's just me.

Justyn wrote:
I'd expect other factions to use Lev's that look vastly different. However Mark has not gotten to the point where he can design them yet being a very small and relatively new company.

All human factions use the Leviathans, which ones and how many varies by faction. The ones that will be drastically different will be the equivalent war machines from the Shadokesh and Dhar-Hazier.

As far as paint schemes go, from everything that I can tell scanning the Dreamforge forums is coloring varies by faction, house, and pilot.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So I think he's got a nice down payment, but he isn't in the clear by any means. He can manage it, no doubt, but ain't buyin' a Rolls right away.

True, but factor in that the Crusader tools were going to cost $100K, and he was only setting the goal at $30K, should mean that he had another $70K of finance available elsewhere. The Mortis tooling should be slightly cheaper as the developement costs should be slightly lower given the comonality of parts. (Both variants can share weapons/arms, so the connectors must be compatible at the very least, I suspect much more is compatible. However, all the tooling for the troopers, heavy troopers, and APC will also have to be designed then made, and I suspect you are certainly in the right ballpark. Even simple blow moulding tools for things like plastic bottles can cost more than £40K over here, so if anything you may be under-estimating a touch.

Now I don't believe that gives us the expectation that Mark can afford to tool for the current pledges AND the APC. I think the money raised should be enough to set up for the tooling on the Crusader, the stage 1 "Freebies" for the crusader (Excalibur, coolers, and possibly the LH Vulkan), and the basic troops and accessory sprue. The tooling for the stage 2 goodies will likely be financed by the stage 1 sales, and the stage 3 goodies by the continued stage 1 sales, and the new stage 2 sales.

The last thing anyone here wants is for the project to become overstretched trying to meet everyones wants and finding that in the end, just about everything in the first month of sales is 'given away' so far as cash flow is concerned due to it being pre-paid for.

I will be more than delighted to wait say 6 months for an APC kickstarter which could include some of the other Leviathan variants. I would not mind it going straight to retail and the next kickstarter being the Shadokesh or another faction. (Shadokesh seems more likely). Much as I am wanting an APC myself, I hope Mark does not release it too soon. I will still be here, waiting for it, when it does arrive.

There is another thing missing except the APC: Characters!
Mike might add a worthy general or hero in metal or resin. The extra shoulder pads in the command box are not impressive enough.

So I'm going to add a Lev to my Custodes army and my Flesh Tearer army, was thinking of just giving them both Crusaders, however I'm kicking around may be using the mortis for the Flesh Tearers. Just to add a little variety. Any thoughts?

Kroot- I agree command box characters could stick out more. Since they're stage 3, should be time for revision?

Ironicsilence- Mortis for flesh tearers imo

I hope Mark rolls out the Shadokesh next for a strech goal, I agree with Conrad the apc be nice but I can wait, for we need two factions for a system to be viable.

A good point, Mathieu.

So, I personally don´t need further strech goals and hope Mark gets plenty of extra money to make it easier to pay for everything in the long run.

So, what am I able to afford? ^^

No more stretch goals! My wallet can't handle it!

I love all this stuff but had to make hard decisions about what I could afford.

Extra arms or heavy troopers, hmm....

I agree with everyone who is saying that maybe the stretches should stop where they are. Sure I would love to see more stuff but I want to see Mark succeed even more than that!

Special characters are a good idea though, they could be done in metal or resin making them far easier to produce.

You know, I followed it from the time before it even went live (loved Dreamforge's stuff for 10 years), and I've been checking it every couple of hours to see where it was at. I'm glad it made well past its goal and I'm looking forward to finally seeing the Dreamforge models as a regular staple in game stores.

That said, am I seriously the only one who was very disappointed in this KS? It was all over the place, rewards were shifted around and moved, and some of it was downright confusing for some folks (phased shipping?). To me as a backer, I just didn't feel there is anything to make me want to pledge even though I did so early on. The only exclusive thing in the entire KS is the shadokesh handler, which everyone gets. The problem with this is, the model doesn't even go with the theme of the kickstarter, which is all Eisenkern.

The few rewards there are, are all over the place as well. Capacitor Coolers, Excalibur Blade, and an extra Vulkan. Ok, those are neat, but hardly exclusive to the kickstarter. Infantry get a single accessory sprue, again, hardly KS exclusive. The entire KS is really just a bunch of pre-orders for stuff that won't be available for up to 9-12 months from now.

Sure, if you HAVE to have some of it before all your friends, you can pledge for it. Everything past the 30k funding goal is gravy. And don't tell me "No, it has allowed Mark to make more and more stuff". True, but the project was for the Crusader Leviathan, not everything else under the sun. It's great he can make a bunch more minis, but here's the meat of it.

Why should people pledge when they can just wait and buy it off of Warstore or their FLGS when it becomes available? It's cheaper if you order it through the KS. Oh yea? How do you know? It can't be much more expensive retail or whats the point of competing against other companies who have long established histories in this market? Bash GW all you want, I can still find a game of 40k anywhere I go and most places might let you proxy a model or two, maybe a squad, but not an entire army. Certainly very few tournaments will let you get away with it.

From the beginning, there were suggestions to add things to the pledge option, things like:
1. Have your name credited in the Iron-Core rulebook as a backer
2. Create a character for use in the game
3. Painted sets of models
4. Lunch with Mark / learn first hand how he comes up with the models
5. Ect, ect, ect...

None of this would have cost anything (except 'maybe' the painting thing) and would have opened up all kinds of new pledges and made us backers feel a bit special. As it is, there is nothing in this project that waiting wont solve. I know I dropped my pledge from $240 down to $32, simply to throw a little bit into this and get some heavy assault troops a year from now. It's really a shame, such cool things could have come from this, but for now I'll just wait till my game store can order it.

I'm sure I'm the vast minority, since 99% of those backing it have been too wide-eyed with "Oooo...look at the shinies".

Nah, not wide eyed, just supporting a great company. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not after exclusives- I'm after making the creation of awesome plastic models possible. The fact I get a quantity discount for ordering 3 boxes of troops, the free acessory sprues, and the free Shadokesh is all gravy.

And my stuff will be delivered in November

For APC awesomeness, I can wait till next year, and would love to order them now.

So while you have every right to that opinion, I think you're missing out, pure and simple. Mark has a different style- just because he didn't put up any "lunch with creator" pledges doesn't mean he didn't put heart and soul into this KS.

To anyone else- please don't flame, alternate views are always good to hear, however much I disagree in this case.

While I agree that the KS does seem a more than a bit cobbled together it was only because us, the backers, asked for more options in the first place! Had he just stuck with the Leviathans I know I wouldn't have pledged and there are probably many in the same boat as me.

You have to remember that Mark is genuinely using the KS as a way to fund these kits whereas the larger companies (looking at you Mantic!) are using it as a fast way to get their product out into the world. They have the resources to offer all the stretches and extras that they have.

Yes it is just a big preorder. I am fine with that and if I get a hefty discount off the retail and some free goodies then I am even happier!

140K and 155K stretch goal placeholders are on the main page! I think we can hit those... I bet APC is 155, I wonder what 140 is? Or, hopefully, I have them backwards

IMO with just 3 days left Id let it ride, or add a small but very cool final goal...a character mini maybe.

I would do the APC independent from the kickstarters.

If I were to make a future kickstarter schedule Id go faction specific. Next Id do Shadokesh. After that either Brotherhood or Protectorate, as church and Russian stuff is pretty popular. Then back to a xeno, the Dhar-Hazier, then back to humans.

I do completely agree that some character/special minis in either metal or resin would be awesome. Relatively small investment on Dreamforges end so it wouldnt interfere with the plastics, but would surely be popular as people love special minis.

 RiTides wrote:
Nah, not wide eyed, just supporting a great company. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not after exclusives- I'm after making the creation of awesome plastic models possible. The fact I get a quantity discount for ordering 3 boxes of troops, the free acessory sprues, and the free Shadokesh is all gravy.

And my stuff will be delivered in November

For APC awesomeness, I can wait till next year, and would love to order them now.

So while you have every right to that opinion, I think you're missing out, pure and simple. Mark has a different style- just because he didn't put up any "lunch with creator" pledges doesn't mean he didn't put heart and soul into this KS.

To anyone else- please don't flame, alternate views are always good to hear, however much I disagree in this case.

Fully and 150% agree with you on this, I backed this kickstarter because I believe dreamforge is a great company that could put out an amazing product. I dont need any fancy exclusives or credit for anything, just knowing that I helped in a small way to get some awesome models made is more then enough for me.

Yeah, I might be dirt broke right now, but this really is one diamond of a kickstarter.

For one simple reason:

There is currently not a single company other than GW making a large range of high-quality hard plastic sprues for sci-fi gaming.

The ambition is amazing too, none of this "There isn't a market for big vehicles in hard plastic/ its too difficult/ its too expensive" etc, just a straight up "I'm making a plastic titan". Good raw talent + "can do" attitude = win.

 kaiohx wrote:
...

I can see your point and can understand the frustration as the KS evolved (mutated, even) as it was picking up steam. It's almost like this campaign could have been split into two separate ones.

Yes, it was definitely run as more of a "pre-order" generator and, really, I can't find fault with that if that is how Mark wants to proceed. He's been very careful and deliberate about what he's done to date (prior to KS) and I expect him to continue with that analytical and logical approach moving forward. I don't expect him to over-promise and I don't expect he would compromise future release goals by giving away endless freebies like some of the other KS campaigns we've seen recently.

That being said, I agree, some little- or no-expense pledge levels would have been nice. Who knows, maybe one of those last stretch goal place-holders will be for a cool free character to drive up pledges as the KS winds down.

 ironicsilence wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Nah, not wide eyed, just supporting a great company. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not after exclusives- I'm after making the creation of awesome plastic models possible. The fact I get a quantity discount for ordering 3 boxes of troops, the free acessory sprues, and the free Shadokesh is all gravy.

And my stuff will be delivered in November

For APC awesomeness, I can wait till next year, and would love to order them now.

So while you have every right to that opinion, I think you're missing out, pure and simple. Mark has a different style- just because he didn't put up any "lunch with creator" pledges doesn't mean he didn't put heart and soul into this KS.

To anyone else- please don't flame, alternate views are always good to hear, however much I disagree in this case.

Fully and 150% agree with you on this, I backed this kickstarter because I believe dreamforge is a great company that could put out an amazing product. I dont need any fancy exclusives or credit for anything, just knowing that I helped in a small way to get some awesome models made is more then enough for me.

Ill also agree. I only wish I had more $$$ to put towards it.

A new stretch goal at 140K has been posted

but we can't see it as the image is broken
(marks working on it)

Edit: It's the APC, but the image is still broken, no details on price yet

The APC !!! =D

Crap, my wallet

 kaiohx wrote:
The few rewards there are, are all over the place as well. Capacitor Coolers, Excalibur Blade, and an extra Vulkan. Ok, those are neat, but hardly exclusive to the kickstarter. Infantry get a single accessory sprue, again, hardly KS exclusive. The entire KS is really just a bunch of pre-orders for stuff that won't be available for up to 9-12 months from now.

If you follow Dream Forge that long, you should know better. As said before, all those established companies misusing kickstarter as hidden preorders may cloud the vision, when a project really in need appears. Mark simply has not the funds to pay for all the expensive plastic moulds. No kickstarter, no products, simple as that. So people like us jump in and pay several months in advance, satisfied that these products will see the light (and probably getting a discount). Doesn't need a crappy T-Shirt to pull us in. Or huge 50% discounts. Because we believe in the project and trust the man behind it to do the best he can.

and all for $46, where a Land Raider looks to come in at $55
(well converted from the UK price anyway) without any crew


and if that comes with the driver, passenger and 10 crew as Mark was discussing it's a pretty spectacular bargain

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


and if that comes with the driver, passenger and 10 crew as Mark was discussing it's a pretty spectacular bargain

I missed that part!

So... does it?

$39 apiece if you get 3 or more

It's as I predicted! Mark is getting another $100 from me tonight. Shifting funds away from support weapons, which I'll hope to buy at the end of the year, and into APCs. I am in for 3 boxes of infantry, 3 extra accessory sprues, and 7 APCs... a few bucks shy of $400.

Man, those things are beautiful


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Alph, he said so in the comments (seated troopers) we should see if he can confirm, though.

I got two of my fellow game club in and we're in for 3 Leviathans, 4 additional 28mm weapons, 5 15mm Leviathans, and 12 15mm weapons. Almost $600....and we might get a few more takers from my gaming group. Here's hoping

Buncha guys in my club jumped in. I had to lower my pledge and just get some troopers though, funds too tight right now :( But they'll make some nice Stormtroopers soon. Gonna most likely do a full mech guard army when the APC is released.

Mark should update the calculator to include shipping costs for the APC.

A couple of bits pulled of the comments about the APC

1. Just an FYI on the size of the APC The Eisenkern APC is pretty close to a Landraider in size, 2.25" high 3.25" wide and 7" long. Large but not too bad I may be able to tighten it up a bit but I do not see it being more than - .25" in any direction

2. Will the APC include passengers? I suppose a driver and gunner are a given with the kit but it would be nice to be able to field one with a full compliment. The kit will have all the crew and trooper compliments Driver, gunner/Comms and 10 Stormtroopers all in seated positions.

you'd need to check this is still the case, but I'd think it will be


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 Kroothawk wrote:
Mark should update the calculator to include shipping costs for the APC.

Marks just posted it's a large box, and will use the Leviathan shipping costs (but I'm sure the calculator will be updated)

WEEEE!!!

Promptly added 5 APCs to my pledge... Now to hope that the project reaches at least 140k to unlock the sweet rides!

 Kroothawk wrote:

 kaiohx wrote:
The few rewards there are, are all over the place as well. Capacitor Coolers, Excalibur Blade, and an extra Vulkan. Ok, those are neat, but hardly exclusive to the kickstarter. Infantry get a single accessory sprue, again, hardly KS exclusive. The entire KS is really just a bunch of pre-orders for stuff that won't be available for up to 9-12 months from now.

If you follow Dream Forge that long, you should know better. As said before, all those established companies misusing kickstarter as hidden preorders may cloud the vision, when a project really in need appears. Mark simply has not the funds to pay for all the expensive plastic moulds. No kickstarter, no products, simple as that. So people like us jump in and pay several months in advance, satisfied that these products will see the light (and probably getting a discount). Doesn't need a crappy T-Shirt to pull us in. Or huge 50% discounts. Because we believe in the project and trust the man behind it to do the best he can.

VERY well said.

While the APC is very nice I find it's not tempting me. I'm in for twenty assault troopers, four arms and a pair of Crusaders (the Mortis is cool but I like the heavier armored look of the Crusaders better) what is tempting me is a box of Valkir and maybe some support weapon gunners... but since in the end I really am using these as "counts as" for now I will force myself to refrain... but also cause this is beating my wallet with a rape stick XD.

Interested to see what the 155k goal is though, every backer getting an Eisenkern special character or something would be really cool.

Added 5 APC's too to my pledge!!
It looks awsome! And really has that modern/retro german WW II feel to it he aims for for the Eisenkern faction in his Iron Core game! Cool!

So, after predicting the APC for another stretch goal (though I'm no psychic, it seemed the only remaining item we've seen that wasn't available) I'm happy it's available. I presume that Mark isn't throwing stuff in that he can't produce, or that he won't make perhaps a little money on (or at least be able to put money to cover existing debts incurred in these projects).

That said, I think criticism of this Kickstarter is a little off-base. It was a little wonky, and unpredictable, but I think that most of this was because Mark responded to pledger requests. People wanted infantry - Done. People wanted smaller Leviathans - Done. People (like me!) wanted the Mortis - Done. Everything people have wanted has been made available (at least potentially, but I think we'll see the APC unlock at this rate).

Perhaps Mark has been *TOO* accommodating of pledger demands, and I think that is the real reason that the Kickstarter wasn't more streamlined and slick. I think that this provides a really fantastic platform from which to launch a future Kickstarter, and the Iron-Core line in general. Mark's probably learned quite alot from this, and can better plan and tweak future Kickstarters to really maximize the potential of his ideas and work, as well as the potential of an eager and now expanded fan-base for Iron-Core.

I think it bears repeating that Dream-Forge is the only non-GW company to have really awesome-looking PLASTIC kits, at really reasonable prices. I never though I'd own a "Titan" scale model. But for $90? And one that looks equally as cool (if not cooler) as the Forgeworld ones, but in PLASTIC? I mean, everyone else has already said it, but all the rest is gravy. Delicious, inexpensive, awesome-looking gravy, and you can feel good about supporting an independent company and all-around nice guy. What's not to love?

-C6

Car needs new brakes and an axle replacing so what do I do? Buy a dreamforge APC of course!

I have a strong feeling the next stretch will be some variant of the APC chassis, command vehicle or AA car, one can only hope!

Well, if we hit $140k Ill probably have to get in on that APC.

Kroothawk wrote:If you follow Dream Forge that long, you should know better.

I should know what exactly? I'm not sure of your context here. Until now, Dreamforge has been limited in how many models that can be produced, that's it.

Kroothawk wrote:As said before, all those established companies misusing kickstarter as hidden preorders may cloud the vision, when a project really in need appears.

He's partnered up with WFG who does bunches of minis for many companies these days. You act like hes making each and every sprue by hand.

Kroothawk wrote:Mark simply has not the funds to pay for all the expensive plastic moulds. No kickstarter, no products, simple as that.

He hit the 30k goal of the KS a few days into it. EVERYTHING else is extra. Maybe you forgot that. Again, partnered with WFG, see above.

Kroothawk wrote:So people like us jump in and pay several months in advance, satisfied that these products will see the light (and probably getting a discount). Doesn't need a crappy T-Shirt to pull us in.

Oh yea? Those 'crappy t-shirts' are what draw people. The little bits of extras are what separate high-grossing kickstarters from ones who could have potentially been great. Lets take Relic Knights, shall we? All told, they probably have less overall sprues designed than this entire project does, since many of the factions are probably on the same sprues. Is it because their game is better? I have no idea, but I doubt it since the majority of the people are pledging this for 40k. Are their models better? Hrmm...depends on if you like that style, but they aren't anywhere near as configurable.
Then why have they brought in 8x the amount of revenue this has? Because of a few simple extras, that's it. All their 'extra' figs are probably on one or two sprues as well, and will be cut as needed, because I seriously doubt they made a single mold for each and every one of those 'extras'. Does this cost extra? Probably a little, but probably not as much as you think. Coolmini isn't exactly the juggernaut some other companies are.

Also, you didn't even read my post, because I stated the 'extras' I suggested wouldn't have cost him really anything and would have most likely added a big incentive to people.

Kroothawk wrote:Or huge 50% discounts.

Really? Cause many, MANY people have claimed just how awesome it is to get these at such a great deal and that's why they are doing it.

Kroothawk wrote:Because we believe in the project and trust the man behind it to do the best he can.

And who said I don't? Whether I pledged $2000 on this or just $1, I'm still a financial backer and as such, I'm allowed to have my own view on it. Maybe in whatever country your from the people are all as giving and altruistic as you are, but here in the US, some of us are still capitalists. No one pledges money without getting something in return, that's the name of the game with kickstarter. You aren't donating your money free of charge, so don't try to play the saint card.

Those that say "well I'm glad he put in the infantry, apc, mortis, minis, ect... or I wouldn't have backed him". So yea, you don't get to criticize either, cause your just as guilty of being selfish. Everyone wants something and that's all I saw this entire time. That's why this KS was all over the place instead of being focused. "Mark, make this and I'll buy 50 of them" "Oh I hope we hit the X goal, cause ill sell my firstborn to pay for it." Yea....ok. And apparently I'm the bad guy for wanting this to do better than it did by suggesting a few extras. God forbid the backers feel a little special they helped get this off the ground.

And yet no one has still really answered the question: Why pledge now when we can wait and get it in a few months from a retailer? Because then the models won't get made? Sure they will, it'll just take longer and maybe take another project to fund. Because we believe in Mark? Ok...again...we hit the 30k goal, I'd say that's some good backing. No, its GOTTA HAVE IT ALL NOW NOW NOW! Quite the demanding lot, aren't you?

*Sighs* As stated before: I'm glad Mark got the funding for the whole range of models. It's about time. Its just a shame that it could have been so much more lucrative. And no, I didn't support Relic Knights. I like how their models look, but I have no use for them beyond the Gabe & Tycho models. This is the first KS I have ever backed (though Planetary Annihilation got some money since). Do I think Mark is a great guy and makes awesome mini's? Yup, but when dealing with income for hobbies, you have to pick and choose, and in the end there just hasn't been enough incentive for me to pledge near as much as I had originally. I guess I'm just a bit more capitalistic and outspoken than the rest of you.

Congrats Mark, Dreamforge, and WFG! I look forward to seeing your models gracing the shelves of FLGS everywhere!

Ooh! I like what he just put out about the free PDF of the completed rules. I hadn't heard about that! Very nice little extra... *glares at other game company that charges $75 for their rule book* I'm excited about participating in the development group as well.

Fluff writers unite!

Well, adding 6 APCs to my pledge didn't quite take me over the $1000 mark as I had expected, but I'm damn close.

I'd really love to see the APC done up in all kinds of not-chimera variants.. Hydra, Medusa, Griphon? gimmie!

And also an upgrade kit to make it a half track instead of 6 wheels.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
...my pledge didn't quite take me over the $1000 mark as I had expected...

0.o

And I thought my handing $325 to McVey was excessive.

Dang, Mark you got another 100.00 bump in my pledge up to 500.00 now wife may kill me on Sunday. I hope her football team wins maybe she will forget. I m glad that you got everything going I own one of the resin Crusaders casn't wait to get new arms can't wait on the infantry to add to the metals I got from you last time I hope they are not to different.

I do hope there will be more detail work, especially on the front. I am not jumping into APCs right now (I just finished converting my 9th Merkava tank, fer cryin' out loud!) But if they do get a grille and variants, then buying one of them down the road to play Iron-Core will be nice.

Personally, yes, I do cherish the opportunity to get my Leviathans cheaper and before everyone else. Call me a simple guy, I'm satisfied with this. I wear shirts and ties 6 days a week, so even a good quality t-shirt would not have drawn me in (why are t-shirts automatically crappy?) but I suppose that could have been an incentive that would have worked.

What I was really looking forward to was the Iron Core dev. group, and thus get my name to grace the "thank you" page of the book. Hopefully. Translate it in French, in my off time, sure!

I'm not sure I get where the whole capitalist argument was going, but I don't think it was ever meant for that philosophy to preclude either charity or less-than-optimal returns on investment. Backers get what they want. It's like a massive red-paper clip experiment, this KS thingy.


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But I do respect your opinion. You were hoping for something, didn't get it, you pulled your pledge. I think it's super fair. And even if you had not pledged a single dollar, you'd still be entitled to voicing your opinion.

Hi,

I was just looking to ask a question to those of you who have resin kits.

How articulate are the fingers on the Mortis hand/gauntlet? I'd like to model it holding a sword. Would it be possible to make it look good? Or would it end up looking a bit strange at the grip point (like this):

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=contemptor+dread&start=65&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1440&bih=780&tbm=isch&tbnid=CfFV7Q140jyCWM:&imgrefurl=http://spacewolves13th.blogspot.com/2011/09/contemptor-dread-wip-lone-wolf-and.html&docid=88YsPfjegUWnYM&imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1TCkVwm44fo/Tn4yOwIN2BI/AAAAAAAAHpU/464DJc30sf0/s1600/P9240065.JPG&w=1600&h=1200&ei=Mx9RUMH8AoWW0QXIsoG4AQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=729&vpy=475&dur=1714&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=156&ty=127&sig=115601946004694306889&page=3&tbnh=140&tbnw=187&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:31,s:65,i:103

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and all for $46, where a Land Raider looks to come in at $55
(well converted from the UK price anyway) without any crew

and if that comes with the driver, passenger and 10 crew as Mark was discussing it's a pretty spectacular bargain

Unfortunately, I don't look at the APC and see a cheaper Land Raider, I see a more expensive Rhino. The width and height are about the same, the real difference is the pseudo-251 nose.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't look at the APC and see a cheaper Land Raider, I see a more expensive Rhino. The width and height are about the same, the real difference is the pseudo-251 nose.

But it's so much more AWESOME than a Rhino.

@Breotan
I look at it this way: I'm getting an Imperial Guard army, a Space Marine army, and a Warhound titan of this deal.
And someday I may even get to play the Iron Core game, too.

I have to admit the APC is not all what I had envisioned. The design seems to pull a little to heavily the older aspects and does not have enough sci-fi there to make it an instant buy.

Chances are I will get one anyway and fiddle around with the front a bit to make it more to my liking!

 Commander Cain wrote:
I have to admit the APC is not all what I had envisioned. The design seems to pull a little to heavily the older aspects and does not have enough sci-fi there to make it an instant buy.

Chances are I will get one anyway and fiddle around with the front a bit to make it more to my liking!

I think Mark said that the images he posted are only about 70% complete, so we'll see what kind of extra details he adds.

And a $145K stretch goal has been posted (unless I missed it earlier). At that level, the APC will come with a set of 10 seated troopers.

Well if he shrinks the front just a tiny bit I will have to get one! The 10 seated troopers are a great addition. them along with two crew are an even better incentive to buy one!

The fingers have a great deal of personalization to them.

Upped my pledge by $100 now planning to divide it up as:

3 boxes of stormtroopers
3 extra accessory sprues
7 APCs

Those things are so beautiful to me . And with more details still to be added to the exterior, it's even better. 10 seated troopers should be easy to reach, less than $11K to go and 2 days to reach it, and it's been averaging something close to $10K per day the last few days

 RiTides wrote:
Upped my pledge by $100 now planning to divide it up as:

3 boxes of stormtroopers
3 extra accessory sprues
7 APCs

Those things are so beautiful to me . And with more details still to be added to the exterior, it's even better. 10 seated troopers should be easy to reach, less than $11K to go and 2 days to reach it, and it's been averaging something close to $10K per day the last few days

I find it amusing our quotes are just about the same rate wise, but with such different compositions. I admit I rather /like/ the varied nature of this kickstarter. It's what really makes it worth it.

I think this is my final tally:
2x Crusader Leviathans
4x Weapons Arms (2 HEL lasers, 2 Nova Cannons)
4x Assault Heavy Troopers

Really fighting to talk myself out of an extra $40 for a Valkir unit.

Title updated per Steve's request

Thanks! Mark is too busy making renders etc to update his OP but I bet he will be back on here more often after the campaign ends. 3 strong days could put us in the 170K range (at 135K now, averaging around 10K per day the last 3 days, and usually the last few days pick up the most so if they are 10K as well... it will be great for Dreamforge ).

 ironicsilence wrote:
So I'm going to add a Lev to my Custodes army and my Flesh Tearer army, was thinking of just giving them both Crusaders, however I'm kicking around may be using the mortis for the Flesh Tearers. Just to add a little variety. Any thoughts?

A Mortis would seem a little more apt for FTs. Keep the power fist and add on the assault cannon instead of the scythe. Job done!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't look at the APC and see a cheaper Land Raider, I see a more expensive Rhino. The width and height are about the same, the real difference is the pseudo-251 nose.

But it's so much more AWESOME than a Rhino.

Only if I ignore the nose - the back section looks great. If you're looking for a Space Sd.Kfz. 251 for your Space Wehrmacht the vehicle is right up your alley, but I'm not.

If a future faction has an APC or light tank that doesn't devote half the footprint to a WW2 shout-out (especially if it includes a dozen female crew), I'll look at getting that.

Female troops /would/ be awesome. I'd empty my savings account right there.

Also to weigh in on the Leviathan question above. The Mortis is tailor made for Chaos to my eye. I'd ditch the power fist for an assault cannon and keep the scythe though. That bad boy is rule of cool.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't look at the APC and see a cheaper Land Raider, I see a more expensive Rhino. The width and height are about the same, the real difference is the pseudo-251 nose.

But it's so much more AWESOME than a Rhino.

Only if I ignore the nose - the back section looks great. If you're looking for a Space Sd.Kfz. 251 for your Space Wehrmacht the vehicle is right up your alley, but I'm not.

If a future faction has an APC or light tank that doesn't devote half the footprint to a WW2 shout-out (especially if it includes a dozen female crew), I'll look at getting that.

Of course it's more awesome than a Rhino. You can get 10 troops inside it, try that in a Rhino! And all for the equivalent of £26, so it's only just more expensive than a Rhino, but you get so much more than a rhino. In fact, with the roof mount, it's fairer to say it's a HB Razorback equivalent, which means you are paying £1 for at least 400% more Awesome.

OK, it may be less awesome if you are buying to put it into a WH40K game, but for Iron Core, what more could you ask? (Different turrets, or a turret ring that accepts the weapoons from the support weapons set, maybe?)

Have to stop myself refreshing this page, the Kickstarter one, and Kicktraq . I am going to go ahead and predict an ending value of $160-$165K... a rate of $8K a day would hit the lower of those two, and we've been above that rate for the last 3 days (although with some sweet reveals to boost things, too). If anything, maybe it will go higher, but I think that range is a safe bet with how it's been progressing.

I hope this oes all the way to it's highest current projection of almost $180K, and yes, I've just upped my pledge (Slightly) to include 2 APCs for the 20 man squad I already had. Shame I had to remove some arms and stuff, but it was the only way I could have afforded it. (And now I have a perfect excuse to keep an eye on Iron Core when it goes retail. I will end up with the things I have had to drop!)

Agreed!

And made the last change to my pledge, I'm committing! Dropped 2 APCs but added in 3 sets of support weapons (as those will come out much sooner, and I want them now so I have something to shoot with!). Total is almost identical to what it was before, just a few dollars more...

So now I'm at:

3 boxes of stormtroopers
3 boxes of support weapons
4 extra acessory sprues
5 APCs (+$7.00 shipping fee to come separate from the rest)

I'm with you guys my finally talley:
2 squads of stormtroopers
1 support weapons squad
1 Crusader/ Nova/Hel cannons
1mini crusader/nova/mauler
1 command squad
2 heavy support squads
2 heavy assault squads
2 heavy valkir squads
2 apcs
and no more my wallet needs cpr.lol

Oh yes, my final tally.

Boots on the Ground (1 squad of 20)
Serious Stompin (Single Crusader)

Paired Beowolf/Grendels
Paired HELs

and a pair of APCs

I'll get the Mortis, Mauler Claws, Nova Cannon, and Ripper Saw, Support weapons, command squad, Valkir, heavy weapons, and assault retail when I have more money. In fact, it's a shame as I'm looking at an extra input of cash in October for the overtime I have been working this month.

I'm personally in for a bit less, I see. Good, I can always tell people that I'm not as crazy as *those* guys.

1 28mm Leviathan
3 28mm arms
2 15mm Mortis
4 15mm arms
20 Stormtroopers
20 Valkir
10 Heavy Assault.
3 extra Shadokesh sets.