scipio.au wrote: I have to say that the timing is not great on this one. Sedition wars has a lot of people holding cash for the CKPM, and Reaper's KS is also swallowing a lot of people's cash. The audiences aren't exactly the same of course, but there's obviously a lot of crossover.
Yeah, that's what kept me to just the Crusader...
Ah well, I believe it will be funded and then I can pick up some awesome model goodness later down the road.
Do you plan on offering different weapon loadouts in the future? (not talking about the kickstarter but afterwards) It'd be nice to buy some different weapon arms later on down the road.
Yep, each new variant that gets released will make available arms for a separate purchase. swap as we grow
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Mathieu Raymond wrote: @Agnosto: If you look at the kickstarter blurb, it says that because the arms are twist-off, you will be able to exchange them with future variants and releases.
I'm going to go against the general feeling here and say that the stretch goals are done very smartly. If the funding hits the 45K and 50K stretch goals, this will encourage people to pledge extra money to get those unlocked goodies. Like Xbox Live extra characters for fighting games. The the funding will grow on its own. Brilliant.
I understand limitations, everything has to be paid for somehow. But what about utilizing the things you already have? Not every stretch goal need to be something brand new. After all, everyone could probably use more infantry to protect their leviathan's feet, whether they pledged infantry as well or not.
As is, I'll probably pledge something soon (after I've recovered from GenCon), since I've always loved your models. Its too bad I've never been able to talk my acquaintance out of his Gabriel. 9 years and he's still holding strong (though he's never really done anything with it, it just sits in a case).
I'm really looking forward to seeing the heavy infantry, whether in the kickstarter or down the road.
Looks nice. Same as the heavy weapons, it would be a good idea to try to put the Mule on its own sprue(s) so you can also cast them up separately in case people want to use them with other factions. I'd also suggest adding a set of wheels that could be used instead of the legs.
Very much interested it both a leviathan and some foot troops however do you have any tax estimates for all us abroad? I have never done anything like this......
And fellow brits help me out here??
Edit: I found a calculator, I calculated for a leviathan and two lots of twenty troops and that came to £24.20 tax and duty, so I'm still in for sure!!
I'm going to go against the general feeling here and say that the stretch goals are done very smartly. If the funding hits the 45K and 50K stretch goals, this will encourage people to pledge extra money to get those unlocked goodies. Like Xbox Live extra characters for fighting games. The the funding will grow on its own. Brilliant.
Ill agree completely. This is what a real kickstarter looks like...a small company raising funds to do something outside its normal means.Something that, if successful, will allow it to grow into a larger company, but without the weight of high interest loans/funding.
Many of the recent big kickstarters were from big companies that didnt need the advance funding, so they could afford to pile on the freebies.
Im quite satisfied with whats being offered in this kickstarter. Ive got a stake in the Soda Pop one for my freebies fix.
Welcome aboard. I had one of the resin Crusaders, and it was epic. I made a few errors assembling it, so I sold it before it was completely finished, partly to fund my share in this kickstarter. With my previous experience with the kit, and the plastic kit updating some of the problems with the resin kit, I see great things coming.
Unfortunately I'm in the middle of moving, but this has me wanting to complete my crusader. I'll be in for a pretty penny once we get closing taken care off. I hope with these being plastic that it will be more hollow to put in some electronics or to make the cannon spin. I definitely want a Morris and a whole mess of troops.
Yeah me too! By the time this is up i should be in for about 120 infantry and some misc dudes :p
The new infantry sprue is blurry, are there any extra magazines or hands holding one?
Grundz wrote: Yeah me too! By the time this is up i should be in for about 120 infantry and some misc dudes :p
The new infantry sprue is blurry, are there any extra magazines or hands holding one?
Drum mags? yes, twenty of them The reason the core box set has four is because it was meant to represent a realistic distribution of SAW gunners based on current military doctrine. But I wanted to give everyone a way to get nuttin but rifles or SAW gunners, if that suits them. In addition, I wanted to add some fun extras for “serious bling” and the MULE's should be interesting for any near future/sci-fi games.
I hear ya on that. We are going to be making a 600 mile move the day after this kickstarter closes. Unfortunately its a blind move, we dont have jobs waiting for us, so we will be living off savings until we get jobs. If it wasnt for that Id probably be in for at least double what I have pledged currently.
I hear ya on that. We are going to be making a 600 mile move the day after this kickstarter closes. Unfortunately its a blind move, we dont have jobs waiting for us, so we will be living off savings until we get jobs. If it wasnt for that Id probably be in for at least double what I have pledged currently.
CRAP! now that takes some gumption.... Are you moving to find better employment? lord know things are rough here in Cali.
Ever think of doing a medical mule? You could have the same basic set up just with an IV bag holder and some wounded soldier parts as well as doctor-soldiery (non-apothecary) stuff. It would make sense as a field medic could stabilize the wounds and then the mule takes the soldier back to the mash hospital, stops by and picks up more supplies and returns to the combat zone for the next victim. It would free up resources for the fight by not having troopers escort the wounded. The doctor could have a homing backpack so the mule knows we're to return.
I'm going to convert one when I get them, but your sculpts are much better than what I could do.
Ever think of doing a medical mule? You could have the same basic set up just with an IV bag holder and some wounded soldier parts as well as doctor-soldiery (non-apothecary) stuff. It would make sense as a field medic could stabilize the wounds and then the mule takes the soldier back to the mash hospital, stops by and picks up more supplies and returns to the combat zone for the next victim. It would free up resources for the fight by not having troopers escort the wounded. The doctor could have a homing backpack so the mule knows we're to return.
I'm going to convert one when I get them, but your sculpts are much better than what I could do.
That already in the Command squad with the medic will post a pic later today. Doh IV bag.... I did not model that in..... hmmmmmm
I would make the iv packs just hook around the supports to not risk a super fiddley ftame sticking out.
Id mold some surgical tools or somesuch onto the lunch tray too.
Now this is what I was talking about. This takes the troopers from being a mostly single-option force for use in one game to being a versatile kit that could be used in any game!
Very nice.
Must resist... using the stormtroopers... as IG...
Seriously, though, if they had been a tad smaller... I want my humans to be smaller than Space Marines, and I know I'm the only one that'll notice on the tabletop...
Seriously, though, if they had been a tad smaller... I want my humans to be smaller than Space Marines, and I know I'm the only one that'll notice on the tabletop...
They are a tad smaller, 1mm shorter than the metal figs and the base is 1mm thinner than a GW base. This makes them the equivalent to a 28mm fig in height but leaves enough bulk so not to look emaciated next to most figs. I also thickened them up ever so slightly. I am not saying they are "heroic" scale, just that they should look great as long as you’re not mix and matching with the space dwarves in the same force
This shows the legs that result in the tallest profile.... May as well show you worst case But you can see by thinning out the base I was able to keep bulk on the mini while reducing its height. This also allows you to re-base for use in games like DUST and MERCS to have it fit with those slightly taller minis.
Seriously, though, if they had been a tad smaller... I want my humans to be smaller than Space Marines, and I know I'm the only one that'll notice on the tabletop...
They are a tad smaller, 1mm shorter than the metal figs and the base is 1mm thinner than a GW base. This makes them the equivalent to a 28mm fig in height but leaves enough bulk so not to look emaciated next to most figs. I also thickened them up ever so slightly. I am not saying they are "heroic" scale, just that they should look great as long as you’re not mix and matching with the space dwarves in the same force
But will there be female heads in the sprues? I refuse to think all gothic/grimdark futures do not use 50% of the population in its fighting forces. This is the one thing that makes me want to invest in Defiance rather than Eisenkern right now. Although I did check my army list, and I am now looking for stormtroopers... the Eisenkern with a few stretch goals might look great.
Female heads, please? Or is some part of the fluff I am not familiar with makes this logical?
Seriously, though, if they had been a tad smaller... I want my humans to be smaller than Space Marines, and I know I'm the only one that'll notice on the tabletop...
They are a tad smaller, 1mm shorter than the metal figs and the base is 1mm thinner than a GW base. This makes them the equivalent to a 28mm fig in height but leaves enough bulk so not to look emaciated next to most figs. I also thickened them up ever so slightly. I am not saying they are "heroic" scale, just that they should look great as long as you’re not mix and matching with the space dwarves in the same force
But will there be female heads in the sprues? I refuse to think all gothic/grimdark futures do not use 50% of the population in its fighting forces. This is the one thing that makes me want to invest in Defiance rather than Eisenkern right now. Although I did check my army list, and I am now looking for stormtroopers... the Eisenkern with a few stretch goals might look great.
Female heads, please? Or is some part of the fluff I am not familiar with makes this logical?
Sorry, no female heads... No fluff reason, I just went with the norm when I sculpted them.
Just saw the customer video of the 5.5" Crusader. Seeing it in a video painted up makes a HUGE difference in determining quality, and it's the resin one. I have super high hopes for this kickstarter =) (Less than 5k to go!)
Sigmundr wrote: Just saw the customer video of the 5.5" Crusader. Seeing it in a video painted up makes a HUGE difference in determining quality, and it's the resin one. I have super high hopes for this kickstarter =) (Less than 5k to go!)
Yeah I'd really hate to have to throw that much money at dreamforge but a guys gotta do what he's gotta do ;D
Mathieu Raymond wrote: But will there be female heads in the sprues? I refuse to think all gothic/grimdark futures do not use 50% of the population in its fighting forces. This is the one thing that makes me want to invest in Defiance rather than Eisenkern right now. Although I did check my army list, and I am now looking for stormtroopers... the Eisenkern with a few stretch goals might look great.
Female heads, please? Or is some part of the fluff I am not familiar with makes this logical?
Sorry, no female heads... No fluff reason, I just went with the norm when I sculpted them.
Eh, the body shape is wrong for it anyway. But if one of your future releases is an all-female squad for some faction or another, that would get me to look at more than just your mechanical units.
I know people are really wanting the smaller version, but I am after the mortis. These being released now are breaking me of GW. With everything packed up right now, I don't have that desire to complete my marine chapter. Now if only I could sell all that off and invest it into dreamforge.
Anyone interested in a full terminator first company, three full battle companies and enough bits to make 2-3 more with tanks and all let me know.
I noticed that no matter what is being built, sprues are almost always trapezoid shaped straight pieces, would it be horrifyingly more expensive to put small designs and such on them to make them usable as scenery additions and such?
chaos0xomega wrote: I wanna know why the funding keeps fluctuating.... pretty sure wed have hit 30k already if people didn't seemingly keep droppin out etc
Happens with all of them. I think at around $35,000 on the Red Box kickstarter Tre said that we'd be at $45,000 if everyone had pledged up until then had stayed in at their initial pledge level.
chaos0xomega wrote: I wanna know why the funding keeps fluctuating.... pretty sure wed have hit 30k already if people didn't seemingly keep droppin out etc
Hmmm not sure what you are seeing? When I look at the project dashboard on my end I have not had any drops or downward pledged adjustments for 16 hours.
I noticed that no matter what is being built, sprues are almost always trapezoid shaped straight pieces, would it be horrifyingly more expensive to put small designs and such on them to make them usable as scenery additions and such?
There's a manufacturer that does this with their metal sprues, putting sculpted rubble detail on them so you can cut them up and put them on bases. I suggested something similar to Defiance Games, suggesting that they could modify the tabs from their sprueless plastic so they're usable as Jersey barriers.
hmm, to do that would take additional tooling time; those things are cnc'ed which takes quite a bit more time for a complex design as opposed to a simple trapezoid.
it wouldn't make a difference in casting once the tooling is done.
of course it doesn't matter for tooling a rubber mold either; those are just cast around whatever original you want to replicate.
I could see Jersey barriers but anything with undercuts would be out. They also need to consider the flow of plastic, the overall shot size and if these additions would cause lower cycle time due to cooling issues.
Trying to decide what to pledge for right now! Probably 20/40 troopers because they are too cool to pass up! Hopefully I can pick up a heavy weapon squad and a 15mm leviathan if we reach those goals as well. Might even be interested in some of the heavy armoured guys if they show up too.
I am liking the accessory pack as well, some freebies always make me happy! Am I right in reading that it comes with three cargo mules?
Commander Cain wrote: Trying to decide what to pledge for right now! Probably 20/40 troopers because they are too cool to pass up! Hopefully I can pick up a heavy weapon squad and a 15mm leviathan if we reach those goals as well. Might even be interested in some of the heavy armoured guys if they show up too.
I am liking the accessory pack as well, some freebies always make me happy! Am I right in reading that it comes with three cargo mules?
Yep three mules! Use them for troops or the three Support Weapons kit.
Being very tempted by these infantry, as well! The fact that they are tall is actually very good for me, as I use truescale (or even larger) marine models- so I'd actually be likely to put them on normal bases. But the thin bases are just genius for making them versatile for everyone
The Mortis will be fantastic, and I do think this will get there... with the Chaos 'dex coming out, it's obviously a sweet Chaos knight model. And for folks wanting to use them for Iron-Core, it'll give them another "side" to fight against (i.e. Mortis vs Crusaders).
Personally, I'm pretty stoked for the upcoming stretches. 40K for the Capacitor Coolers, imo this really broadens the appeal of the model, and they're free! 45K for the accessory pack for the stormtroopers, which looks fantastic and is also free, and then 50K to unlock the heavy weapons.
I passed on Sedition Wars after feeling like the models would be too small for me to use as guardsmen (but again I've got true scale marine allies). These look really good for that role with the unhelmeted heads. So, more than likely I'll be pledging for "Git-some!" (3 20-man units) and some heavy weapons... if not more!
I totally agree on the stretch goals that are upcoming, while the capacitors didn't thrill me at first, I never liked the stacks on the back of my resin crusader. I think they look fantastic on the back of the mortis however. I haven't played 40k in years as I moved away from my previous game group and the nearest store was miles, all the groups around here were role playing, and I couldn't make time with family, school, and work. I'm buying big as soon as we close on the house were moving to, and my guardsmen I'll be from a world where they "grow em big". If anyone has a problem with that then I guess my kids are just about old enough to start playing nd I can wait.
No one will have a problem with tall guardsmen, Theophony. It's short ones you'd have to worry about
NoseGoblin, any chance of a small 35k stretch to grease the gears all the way to 50k (as then there will be a stretch every 5k up to that point)? Something really easy...
Question on the mortis and 15mm guy. If (when) we hit those goals, will new pledge options open up for them or will they just be add ons to throw onto the current pledge?
Well, this thread has won me over. I'll be pledging for the 60 troopers when I get home, to help get us closer to those heavy weapons that I'll want to add once they unlock, too.
This would look great with my chaos marines and daemons...
If Defiance games doesn't get it's act together soon, I could end up with a bunch of UAMC for sale. Mark, your marketing-fu is impressive.
Lolz… my Marketing Fu is in some ways failing but as a single person juggling many tasks right now with an adverting budget of about $100.00 I think I am doing the best I can You guys helping with the banners and cross posting to other forums is a HUGE help!
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RiTides wrote: No one will have a problem with tall guardsmen, Theophony. It's short ones you'd have to worry about
NoseGoblin, any chance of a small 35k stretch to grease the gears all the way to 50k (as then there will be a stretch every 5k up to that point)? Something really easy...
Sorry to say I have used 100% of my available credit for the existing rewards as they now stand ;(
Lolz… my Marketing Fu is in some ways failing but as a single person juggling many tasks right now with an adverting budget of about $100.00 I think I am doing the best I can You guys helping with the banners and cross posting to other forums is a HUGE help!
Pledge added, sig updated . Will add to it once we unlock the heavy weapons, too!
As for marketing fu, you're doing fine . What always takes control of these is the viral aspect, and I see this one as about to take off. Tracking is pointing towards a great number right now, as well.
Any chance of a sig banner with the awesome unhelmeted model pictured here?
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Or alternatively, perhaps a rendered / action shot of the stormtroopers, like you have of the Crusader in its' sig banner (and have in the flyer for the acessory pack spoiler tagged above)? Might help draw in more folks
The Wargames Factory video from GenCon had a nice Crusader, I enjoyed how she did not hesitate one bit to talk about the kickstarter, it was refreshing not to feel competitiveness in her tone or demeanour.
So if Mark could start another campaign to buy his own machines, he could offer those at an even lower cost? I'm in. I don't need a living room. I could turn it into a huge Leviathan display room. :-)
RiTides wrote: Any chance of a sig banner with the awesome unhelmeted model pictured here?
Or alternatively, perhaps a rendered / action shot of the stormtroopers, like you have of the Crusader in its' sig banner (and have in the flyer for the acessory pack spoiler tagged above)? Might help draw in more folks
My system is tied up for about 6 hours while I render out some other items.... Render damn you!
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Mathieu Raymond wrote: The Wargames Factory video from GenCon had a nice Crusader, I enjoyed how she did not hesitate one bit to talk about the kickstarter, it was refreshing not to feel competitiveness in her tone or demeanour.
So if Mark could start another campaign to buy his own machines, he could offer those at an even lower cost? I'm in. I don't need a living room. I could turn it into a huge Leviathan display room. :-)
Yeah but then I would need to rent a warehouse and hire shipping staff.... the price would go up Right now I have an agreement with WGF for the distribution end, as they have the staff and facilities to deal with this stuff I dont see the advantage in doing it any other way..
Best day so far since day one in actual pledges. Almost the highest number of new pledgers today. Might start to see a little more movement as we get closer to the free additional items.
I like the look of the Mortis. But does anyone have thoughts on what it could be used for in 40K? A chaos titan of some kind? If this makes it to $90,000, I'd probably get a Mortis if I thought I might be able to use it for something in 40K.
At the price it'll be worth, and the minimal height difference (well, at those scales), You could own a full lance of chaos "warhounds" for the price of a single one, with the Mortis. Since one of the stretch goals seems to be a left arm gatling-cannon-of-doom, then I assume the right arm will also be available as a separate order at one point.
But you'd have to play Apoc, not 40K. Unless...
Mark, not to put any pressure on you, but is there a way of seeing tidbits of the Iron-Core fluff or rules? I want them rules! All asked respectfully, of course.
Looking forward to the "Iron-Core game development group" access that most of the pledges will come with... folks who are invested are the best folks to have giving input, imo. I had joined the forum on his site a while back and looked at some of the development, but I imagine it will pick up quite a bit after this.
Although I am buying the stormtroopers for use in 40k currently, I would welcome an alternate system that they could be used for! I think pretty much everyone feels that way, too
Less than $200 from hitting $35K, when it was at $30K this morning!
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Wow man congratulations. I've followed you since it was a concept.
I must say you guys have a really cool look. the multi part seems to fit well lots of bits. I think you guys might get some of my money.
Those new troops look sick.
Dude where can I see the rules? I'm down to help test it if you got NDC sign me up.
I was looking at the art in you kickstarter... I'm drawn in very interested. Will you be able to play with out the giant mechs? Not too keen on those but the troops are beyond awesome
If the world is going where it seems to be from the look of it you guys might be on to something new. New is nice so are clean plastics. We should talk.
I'm Khorne-ifying the one I'll get, mixing the rules for the brass scorpion and the lord of battles (That is a good base, I think, datasheet is free on Gee dubs site).
Something like 700-750, 4 sp, no voids, bs3 ws 4, possessed, 14/13/12, probably the "rage" rule that khorne superheavies have, a TCCW, the lord of battles gatling cannon, and some sort of molten brass flamer from the two nozzles either side of the head =D
@Sigmundr: Interesting using the Brass Scorpion as a base. the size is about the same... and really a daemon engine on 2 instead of 6 legs. I like the idea.
Mhmm, It would be more daemon engine and less corrupted titan, being that it is a radically different pattern. Depending on how things go, I want a mortis one for the obvious nurgle conversion.
NoseGoblin wrote: Right now I have an agreement with WGF for the distribution end, as they have the staff and facilities to deal with this stuff I dont see the advantage in doing it any other way..
This stuff is going to end up at my local store. They carry WGF's full line.
Makaleth wrote: @Sigmundr: Interesting using the Brass Scorpion as a base. the size is about the same... and really a daemon engine on 2 instead of 6 legs. I like the idea.
Sounds like a good idea! With DA and CSM coming out for 40k, it's definitely a perfect time for the Mortis! Looking great to get there for 90K, too, for the full-size one.
Edit: Now over $37K! It's picking up speed . I also just noticed that apparently this was a 30-day kickstarter, while some others seem to be 40 day. Not sure if one or the other is better, but it seems like longer Could be better... although I don't want to wait any longer than necessary for this, obviously the more folks who get it on it and help get more units/options made in plastic, the better!
It seems to be a delicate balancing act. Too long of a kickstarter might chase people away, too short and it might not get funded or hit stretch goals. Also, they found a positive correlation between overfunding and delays in getting pledge rewards out. I think it was kicktraq or some other site that ran the study.
Yeah, I'm in for two of the four our gaming group is ordering right now and I'm hoping one of them gets to be a mortis.
@Thread
Almost to the cooler, more sleek power plants!
Sidenote: Mark, for the 4.5" is there going to be a mortis style on that one too? The skull head on the smaller model would probably help it sell like made.
Vitruvian XVII wrote: Its mighty tempting atm to hold off buying the 2 40k starter sets i was going to and just sinking the money into this. Time will tell.
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I skipped out on the limited edition starter to go in on this. So....I say do it, feth GW, you can buy that stuff anytime, but this is only good for a few more weeks.
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SickSix wrote: Oh boy... how do I hide this from the wife.....
My wife told me to pledge for the 2 Crusader level.
I am excited for stretches if the trending continues. Left hand claw, 15mm Mortis, command troops, heavy troops, APC... All would be awesome if it keeps going! What I love about this are the true plastic, mult-part, mult-pose models with tons of extra sprue options, that honestly only GW has done well before now. Dreamforge doing it could start a whole new trend, and with their lineup, if APC and heavy troopers eventually get funded, my Entire army could be Dreamforge!
Hi everyone... I just wanted you to know I am up to my ears in work trying to get some things done for the project and a special item as a thank you gift for all of the supporters.... The latter was not planned and will take some work to get it done.
Sooooo. I may not be as available as I am now to answer questions and chat, but I will check in as time allows.
All the best!
Mark-
5deadly wrote: Wow man congratulations. I've followed you since it was a concept.
I must say you guys have a really cool look. the multi part seems to fit well lots of bits. I think you guys might get some of my money.
Those new troops look sick.
Dude where can I see the rules? I'm down to help test it if you got NDC sign me up.
I was looking at the art in you kickstarter... I'm drawn in very interested. Will you be able to play with out the giant mechs? Not too keen on those but the troops are beyond awesome
If the world is going where it seems to be from the look of it you guys might be on to something new. New is nice so are clean plastics. We should talk.
You can find some of the advanced rules in PDF form on my Forum: http://www.dreamforge-games.com/forum/index.php?board=15.0 just look at the bottom of the first post in each of these sections to see the small .pdf link (sorry about all the hoops to join the forum, I get about 50-100 spam bots attempting to sign in each day....
In a nutshell here is where I would like to take this.
Core (fast play rules)= Beer and nuts game, fast to set up, fast to play with enough variation to keep it interesting.
Plug-in rules (more complex) Each plug in addresses a rules section that is completely encapsulated. I.e. you can add the section with unit formations or leave it out, your choice. You choose what plug-ins you wish to use with your gaming group.
By going this rout (assuming I can balance each plug-in) you can have a game that is as simple or as complex as you like in the areas you like complexity.
Example: You like WWII tank sims. You opt to use the “Armor Penetration plug-in” but could care less about infantry, so to hell with using the “Formations plug-in”. The point is to allow YOU to tailor the game you want to play, I simply provide rules and a framework to guide you.
vitki wrote: Sat on the fence for awhile after fundinf Red Box and Sedition Wars, but this looks too cool to pass up.
In for one Leviathan.
Welcome aboard. I had a resin Crusader, and let me say it was amazing. Since the plastic model is directly based on the resin model Im sure you (and everyone else) will be quite pleased. The fact that I will be getting 2 plastic Crusaders for 1/2 what I paid for the resin is amazing. With prices like this Ill be getting all the other versions as they get released, even the Mortis, which is probably my least favorite.
Agreed about the high quality of the resin kits, and hard plastic will be even better And much cheaper! I still have my resin ones, which is why I am in for the equally amazing looking infantry . May ponder head swaps for the helmets, but I am in love with the unhelmeted ones!
Plug-in rules modules sound like a really cool idea!
Let's blow past the stretches so we can reach an APC and those awesome heavy infantry
I love these current models and I am looking forward to future releases in the years to come. The things I am most eagerly awaiting include a Nova Cannon arm, the Gabriel Leviathan, and and armored APC.
I hope that Shadokesh reward hints that we are looking at other factions. This, I think, will be crucial to getting Iron Core off the ground, rather than DFG being another provider of 40KIG count as.
Gee-dub figs could even be used as Iron Core count as... imagine how funny that would be.
I am defiantly feeling the sort of Jin roh theme to the troops , I love it.
Between the standard troops and the expansion pack the troops seem to have an immense level of build options.
Let me ask you guys. How important is it to you that the models are so customizable and come with so many parts? Does that up the value of the kits for you.
I know for me it’s a deciding factor. But does it help give you guys a push to purchase?
Mathieu Raymond wrote: I hope that Shadokesh reward hints that we are looking at other factions.
oh please do tell I can't seem to find "Shadokesh"
Interesting read as I recall (it's been a while since I read it last though). It's worth noting that Mark is a one-man show so if there's any typos...well, you've seen how busy he is. Also I'm sure if he asked he'd have a bevy of volunteers to help with those things as well.
Dreamforge Kickstarter wrote:The rewards and where they appear in the project are planned so that as we reach each new funding goal, I can get to work on the next item and afford to pay (at least in part) for the hard tooling to make these items. This is a carful balancing act between my available credit and the estimated tooling costs for these rewards.
Right now, I am at the full extent of my available credit…
Wai Kee Hui, the owner of WGF and manufacturer, is as excited about this project as I am. He has graciously offered to produce a Kickstarter special item as a way to say thank you to the supporters. I am working on the art for this right now and hope to post something up on the project page in the next day or two.
What is it? All backers at the $20.00 level or above will receive a 28mm figure of a Shadokesh warrior, the mortal enemies of the Eisenkern faction. The Shadokesh will be the next faction launched so that you all will have an opposing force for your Eisenkern Stormtroopers and Leviathan mechs.
I will go into more detail when I upload the art for this Kickstarter exclusive.
All the best!
Mark Mondragon
The Shadokesh sound cool, although all I'm going off of is the name . Can't wait to see the concept art!
Also, a free figure is a great way to get people excited about the new faction . So that is awesome!
Also, as to multi-part, customizable, plastic models as you mention- that is the primary reason I am so excited about this Kickstarter. GW does plastic so much better than everyone else, due to the upfront costs- but this could be a game-changer. That's why I'm so pumped about this one, not just for the rewards (which, admittedly, are the main reason I'm contributing- to order models!) but for the direction this company could take, influencing other minis companies to do the same. Hard plastic is just so much easier to work with than anything else! And cheap enough to produce to make including loads of extra options, like those shown on the troopers, feasible.
To me, having them customizable is really important, I can't stand having little tin men in a row. That is why I gave up on WFG shocktroops, and Cadians are just boring. I'll come out and say it, I am willing to pay a premium for customization.
There is a concept art image on the Kickstarter, completely at the bottom. I'll probably only get Eisenkern, but a fully fleshed out universe is important.
I've been trying to register for the forum, and I know Mark probably runs those too, but if anyone has the pdfs, can anyone PM me so they can share them? Please?
Cliff's notes version:
Dhar-Hazier: Sociopathic, orks with hybrid tech/organic tech base.
Kraggen: Not sociopathic. Seem to be Force-based.
Shadokesh: Sociopathic, tech-based hive mind race.
No, the human factions are:
Brotherhood: Church
Commonwealth: Europe
Eisenkern: Germans
Protectorate: Soviet Union
Republic: America
Independent States: Criminals
Households: Little factions
I assume that the different Leviathans (i.e. Crusader and Mortis) come from different human factions, right? But still fieldable in the same army since they're both human?
Thanks for the cliff notes version, . And we are almost to the $40K stretch!! Free Capacitor Coolers
Mathieu Raymond wrote: To me, having them customizable is really important, I can't stand having little tin men in a row. That is why I gave up on WFG shocktroops, and Cadians are just boring. I'll come out and say it, I am willing to pay a premium for customization.
I agree making sure "mine are unique" is growingly important in this Hobby. Enough bits like on the expansion and some GS an you really could make a cool force... full of exciting poses.
I think a alternate head would be great. not just the officer caps but an alternate helm sprue... then you can really mix it up. maybe as a stretch goal.
Damn my girls gonna be pissed when she finds out I'm buying more model... I just got Zombicide and told he it would "last me for a bit" but I'll invest...
RiTides wrote: The "say it was preordered months ago, and combine it with flowers" idea above might work
Only just over 1K to go will we hit the first stretch! I am thinking we (in the states) will wake up to it having been hit
I will definitely be going the "flowers" route as well...
What thrills me is that I committed to a Crusader, and now Mark is throwing a free figure at me (the shadokesh) as well as cool tech-gribblies for my Crusader... when I was just thrilled to get the original model by itself for that price!
All backers at the $20.00 level or above will receive an exclusive 28mm figure of a Feral Shadokesh and Handler, figure set.
The Shadokesh are the mortal enemies of the Eisenkern faction. Shadokesh have no conscience, no ability to empathize with the world around them, they only understand what they want or need and are oblivious to joy or suffering. Shodokesh possess an immense curiosity and a love for new experiences; they will twist the knife in your belly just to study the look on your face.
That fiction is a bit one dimensional to the point of sillyness. Atleast add in something about how they view their own people because a society of individualistic sociopaths is kind of lame.
frozenwastes wrote: That fiction is a bit one dimensional to the point of sillyness. Atleast add in something about how they view their own people because a society of individualistic sociopaths is kind of lame.
frozenwastes wrote: That fiction is a bit one dimensional to the point of sillyness. Atleast add in something about how they view their own people because a society of individualistic sociopaths is kind of lame.
There's more detail on this here. I still think they're kind of lame - a sociopathic hive mind is pretty much a one trick pony. The Kraggen are the best of the three alien races in my opinion, due to having more depth than "Rar! Sociopathy!" or "Rar! Piracy!".
frozenwastes wrote: That fiction is a bit one dimensional to the point of sillyness. Atleast add in something about how they view their own people because a society of individualistic sociopaths is kind of lame.
There's more detail on this here. I still think they're kind of lame - a sociopathic hive mind is pretty much a one trick pony. The Kraggen are the best of the three alien races in my opinion, due to having more depth than "Rar! Sociopathy!" or "Rar! Piracy!".
That was the point, to provide a few iconic stereotypes; you gravitate to the Jedi-like race others may prefer Evil or Greedy... If you don’t like those motivations, settle on a Human faction. I tried to add some depth and character to each but there is not a huge amount you can do with a single page of fluff...It is just a starting point to expand upon.
Feral Shadokesh are not mentioned in the fluff. But they have a story… These are members of society that through illness or damage can no longer communicate with the hive mind. They are ostracized for Shadokesh society to live like animals and are treated with distrust and disdain. Hunted for sport and forced into games of combat.
Doesn't sound bad to me for a single page. From seeing the Dropzone Commander rulebook, background is something that's hard to have expansive amounts of at the very beginning, particularly when it's a one man show doing it all!
Maybe after the Kickstarter Mark can have either some volunteers or hire someone to take the background to the next level
RiTides wrote: I think it was just a teaser line, frozenwastes- not a complete background in just a few sentences
I love the look of them, and that's what's important to me . Although, I look forward to seeing more background in the future.
I think of all the text in that preview, it was probably the worst line to choose as a promotional teaser.
How about this one instead:
The first human contact with the Shadokesh was made by a delegation from Eisenkern. The Shadokesh met with the human delegation, studied them and when they were satisfied they were of no use to the Shadokesh Empire they were violently dispatched. The Dhar-Hazier were given a similar reception over seven hundred years before. The outcome was quite different, the Shadokesh were forced to re-evaluate the danger this race may pose to the Shadokesh Empire. The Dhar-Hazier have now been at war with the Shadokesh for 753 years.
RiTides wrote: I think it was just a teaser line, frozenwastes- not a complete background in just a few sentences
I love the look of them, and that's what's important to me . Although, I look forward to seeing more background in the future.
I think of all the text in that preview, it was probably the worst line to choose as a promotional teaser.
How about this one instead:
The first human contact with the Shadokesh was made by a delegation from Eisenkern. The Shadokesh met with the human delegation, studied them and when they were satisfied they were of no use to the Shadokesh Empire they were violently dispatched. The Dhar-Hazier were given a similar reception over seven hundred years before. The outcome was quite different, the Shadokesh were forced to re-evaluate the danger this race may pose to the Shadokesh Empire. The Dhar-Hazier have now been at war with the Shadokesh for 753 years.
frozenwastes wrote: That fiction is a bit one dimensional to the point of sillyness. Atleast add in something about how they view their own people because a society of individualistic sociopaths is kind of lame.
I'd recommend if you do a quick blurb, you add in some of the cool stuff that's in the larger article. They sound pretty cool, but the promo blurb doesn't do what you've got justice. Maybe try to work in some sort of mention of the mind meld thing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: EDIT: I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I see that there's some tone issues in my posts about this.
I like the lack of empathy bit, but I think it needs the working together bit added as well. Or just add that their lack of empathy is towards anyone who's not one of them.
I think we're all staying up waiting for it to tip over the $40K stretch just needs like 1 more person to do so. But I may have to give in and go to sleep at this point
frozenwastes wrote: That fiction is a bit one dimensional to the point of sillyness. Atleast add in something about how they view their own people because a society of individualistic sociopaths is kind of lame.
I'd recommend if you do a quick blurb, you add in some of the cool stuff that's in the larger article. They sound pretty cool, but the promo blurb doesn't do what you've got justice. Maybe try to work in some sort of mention of the mind meld thing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: EDIT: I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I see that there's some tone issues in my posts about this.
I like the lack of empathy bit, but I think it needs the working together bit added as well. Or just add that their lack of empathy is towards anyone who's not one of them.
Not to worry. I don’t expect everyone to like the fluff, aside from the story line, I have a rather casual writing voice and atrocious sentence structure and punctuation I seriously need to hire an English major or a technical writer to go over this stuff. I just prefer people actually see what is available before they decide if it is rubbish or not
Not to worry. I don’t expect everyone to like the fluff, aside from the story line, I have a rather casual writing voice and atrocious sentence structure and punctuation I seriously need to hire an English major or a technical writer to go over this stuff. I just prefer people actually see what is available before they decide if it is rubbish or not
I should have read the entirety of the fiction behind them. It was just that the blurb seemed to really paint them in a certain light that made me not think there was any real depth to them. But there is. Their unified society with those unable to participate in the meld being ferals is really quite excellent. And I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit when it comes to grammar and punctuation.
And I love the four eyed helmets. Fantastic looking.
Also- is that Rigormortis available? Is he going to be a choice?
I'd like one of those, if for no other reason that it is a pretty impressive looking guy. I can think of a few uses for a giant skull headed robot. ( Superheros gaming is only one...)
Grot 6 wrote: How do I get 4 boxes of guys and 2 robots?
You'll want "I need a wingman!", "Git some!" and "Boots on the ground"
That's $165 + $88 + $39 = $292, plus $25 + $3.50 + $2.50 = $31 for shipping.
All up, you pledge $323 and pick the "I need a wingman!" option.
Ok. Question. What about shipping the infantry accessory packs unlocked at 45K (hopefully soon)? The KS says US$ 2 per accessory pack shipping, as well as that one will come free with each 20-man box of Eisenkern.
So? If I have "Git some!", that would be 3 boxes of 20 and thus 3 Accessory packs? US$ 7,- shipping for the boxes if you have no Leviathan. US$ 3.50 if you do.
Now if I get 3 extra accessory packs (for each "git some" box), do I have to:
A) add US$ 6,- to shipping (US$ 2 per accessory),
B) US$ 3,- to shipping (US$ 2 per accessory, but half shipping costs) or
C) no added shipping (cause they come "with" the stormtroopers)?
Zweischneid- It should be option C on your list (no added shipping, it's included in the infantry boxes for free once we hit that pledge. You'd only add shipping if you added more extra sprues, if that's even possible... not for ones included for free).
Grot 6- Alex Holker's list looks right, except that the 4th infantry box only costs $29.33, not $39. He posted in the comments that every box after the 3rd will be that price (the same price as the ones in the "Git Some!" pledge).
So you would just select whatever the highest pledge level that applies (i.e. "I need a wingman!" for the 2 walkers) then when it asks you for the total just put in the correct amount (see below). He'll have a survey at the end like these things usually do, to sort out any gaffs .
Also, for additional items after the first you only pay half of the shipping, rounding down. So I believe your total would be like this:
$165 + $88 + $29.33 = $282.33, plus $25 + ($3.50 + $2.50)/2 = $28 for shipping.
Total = $310.33, and you'd have 2 full-size knights, 4 boxes of 20 infantry, and of course all the extras that get added in in the stretch goals for free
RiTides wrote: Also, for additional items after the first you only pay half of the shipping, rounding down. So I believe your total would be like this:
$165 + $88 + $29.33 = $282.33, plus $25 + ($3.50 + $2.50)/2 = $28 for shipping.
Almost right: the $3.50 and $2.50 are already the halved costs, no need to halve them again.
I'm sitting her waiting for the movers to show up..... An hour and a half late right now and the said it will be another hour, at least it gave me time to watch the gencon video and see the plastic leviathan. I didnt think I could get any more stoked. Wish they had spruce picks to show it right out of the box.
Nose goblin are the plastic components the Same as the resin only hollow or are they solid. I'm thinking of led lights in the pilot compartment to have he glow coming out and thinking from memory that their will be enough space for a battery pack. Also will try to make the sensor/light on the head be a searchlight if spac allows. Is the helmet one big lump or did that get retooled for cost.
If you have spruce pics hat would be awesome and might help to get more interest in the kick starter.
Here's to halving our second goal met by Sunday night.
Edit: Mark, how willing are you to let some of us propose, and not impose, fluff and background for those races?
Yep, thats one of the goals of the game development group, play testing fluff expansion etc. I just don't have the time to do that right now but it will be open for expansion and revision.
Well they've got to be done already don't they? The gencon video had one assembled and they said it was the plastic one. It could have been a one off, but if the tooling is that much then I don't see them doing a one off. I think they are just waiting for the kick starter to get done with to type in how many to make the press the start button on the assembly line.
The gal said it was plastic iirc. It had that plastic sheen to it. She also said they would retail for $90.00. The kick starter price is still great because of the free shipping and supporting the cause. Check the video yourself I believe it's around the 5-7 minute mark.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong......I am married and used to it.
Theophony wrote: Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong......I am married and used to it.
Theophony.
Hahah That made me laugh... I feel your pain I know she said $90 but that was the Kickstater. I don't have a retail yet. It depends on the final bill and how successful the Kickstarter is, i.e. how much debt I still hold at the time these hit the supply chain.
Yeah, we're discussing what they could look like with headswaps or the like in the DCM forum... seems like a few folks are eyeing them for AdMech conversions
RiTides wrote: Yeah, we're discussing what they could look like with headswaps or the like in the DCM forum... seems like a few folks are eyeing them for AdMech conversions
I just watched the two videos on the Kickstarter site from Wargames Factory... looked like good quality stuff overall, and was very impressed with the enthusiasm that the girl presenting had for Dreamforge's project.
There's a huge discussion going on in the latest backers-only update to the Kickstarter about stretch goals. Personally, I think it's rolling along fine and any further goals could come after it hits the $100K mark to fully fund the Leviathan molds, but we'll see if he decides to pull anything else to an earlier slot!
And now we're in agreement. I'm in the same boat. It's moving along fine now and I'd rather this just be successful for him over him trying to overstretch.
I think I'll use the infantry models mixed with dust tactics large walkers...
I'm going to build my guard from these guys and those big walkers, using the smaller one as sentinels
Here you go Matthieu, i photoshopped a banner for you, just use this code:
To get this in your sig:
Also, to NoseGoblin, are we going to see any additional weapons and extras for the leviathans? People seem to be clamouring for them on the kickstarter and it made me think that i would be more than happy to add money to my pledge for extra weapons.
Also, starting the new race before adding too much more to Eisenkern is probably a good thing. It would give Dreamforge some variety besides human troops, probably draw in new customers.
They are awesome, Vitruvian! Already sigged . I think it might be a hair taller than the originals since I was able to fit in a line after the banner before, and now I can't.
Finished getting all my big furniture and household moved at 11 pm last night, movers were 7+ hours late showing up. The destroyed the sides of the fridge, and damaged some walls, but deducted about $600.00 from the move total......guess where that will be going.
Good for you on the move Theophony. I'm still verklempted from my last one 3 years ago... not moving until I have a really good reason.
@Mad4Minis: I just commented on the update about thinking rather of a second faction, rather than more Eisenkern as well, I think variety in the offer has a chance of reaching a more diverse market as well. Mark is giving us so much at the moment for Eisenkern.
Thank you Vitruvian, that is one sweet sig you just did. I wish I had your internet-fu. Especially since our business is due to update our website and we don't want to be beholden to another company for our code and the frequency of changes.
I'm thinking 15-20$ for a set of three, later MSRP would be around 25-30$ for a set.
If he priced it as such, I think they would sell like hotcakes.
I know some people would love to see the Mortis being an exchange for a previous crusader pledge, but since I am fired up about having one of each, I'd rather just see it as an additional pledge and get two awesome machines. I've officially given up in my mind about the Gee-dubs starter set in favour of this Kickstarter.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Did anyone notice that the backing drops down significantly during the weekends?
Yes and No. Not exactly.
Thursday was the best day for this one yet (launch-day aside). But both Friday and yesterday added a solid 4000+ dollars, certainly among the better days of this KS so far.
Yes, those goals are very sweet. Speaking of which, can I throw a crazy idea out there?
What if that 125K stretch was the 15mm version of the Mortis? See where I'm going?
@Grudnz:I refuse to entertain the notion that geeks have things such as "lives" and "family" that could interfere with gaming and funding this amazing project.
I think a 15mm Mortis is a fantastic idea, personally. I know Mark is carefully deciding what else to add in, but that one would, I think, do really well.
All I'm here for is the infantry, though since I have the resin walkers. Will be upping my pledge as soon as we know what the heavy weapons cost!
According to the pics on the page, yes they will be. I think that is something he needs to / will clarify, as folks are clamoring to be able to purchase separate arms (for example, when the Mortis unlocks if someone wants a Mortis, but wants to add a gatling cannon arm, like you say).
I think Mark is a little snowed under today but we should find out soon!
Come on heavy weapons!!! Those are really all I need although if he does end up doing heavy infantry, I'll be all over it!
Went ahead and upped my pledge for 3 of the boxes. While not quite as good of a deal as the infantry, now that the upgrade sprue for the infantry has been unlocked (giving them lots of options), they look really sweet and are pretty much the reason I'm here (counts-as IG for now).
So that's me in for 3 boxes of 20 infantry, and 3 boxes of heavy weapons. We'll see if anything can entice me further, but that's all I'll need, I think... unless the rumored APC shows up, of course
Yes, the Shadokesh to use Leviathans of their own. In fact, the human Leviathans are basically reverse engineered Shadokesh technology after they were able to capture one in a semi-intact state.
giothulu wrote: I'm looking at this seriously, but will have to assess it closer to its end to see the whole picture of investment to return.
Well, the prices on the kickstarter are better than regular retail will be, and the money is going to fund further product development, so that means the better it does the faster we get more cool stuff.
If your just looking for a metric ton of free stuff...sorry the Reaper and Sedition Wars kickstarters have already closed, but the Relic Knights one is starting to stack on some good stuff. Seriously though, that whole angle was discussed pages back, this kickstarter is as pure as it comes, its for people who like the product and want to support the guy/company behind it. Its already been established that this is a small company and there wont be a lot of freebies. Really, considering how small the company is, the few free add-ons already offered are quite generous...
...but then again Im somewhat biased, I totally fell for the Leviathans when the resin kits kicked off a year or so ago, and in the process of waiting for those I got into the fluff behind the Iron-Core universe, the work of the artist behind it, and saw first hand what a stand-up guy Mark is, and how passionate he is about his creations. That really sold me, and Ive been a fan ever since. Ive seen several familiar names in this thread from the resin Leviathan days, so Im sure more than a few others will echo my sentiments.
Mark just posted this update titled "Something miraculous happened."
In update number 11, I asked my backers for their opinion on adding another troop option to the mix; the heavy troopers.
Many thought they were great and would love to see them, but perhaps later, many were worried that I may overextend myself, but the overwhelming feedback was that nearly everyone wanted more weapon options for the Leviathans. When I say overwhelming,out of 130+ comments… well over 90% agreed that they would like to see more weapon options for the Leviathans! Do you know how rare it is when we are dealing with this kind of product to get a 90% unanimous viewpoint? Rare enough for me to sit up and take notice!
If you know me, and many of you don’t, I like to listen to my customer base, and where possible make changes to keep the majority of them happy and supply them with cool things they want and need.
Based on the feedback, I will be re-visiting some of my offerings for the $100k+ stretch rewards to include some weapon options for your Leviathans.
I look forward to posing up some of these goodies for your enjoyment
Thank you for your help!
Mark Mondragon
So, pretty darn sweet the way he's listening to feedback! Leviathan weapon options it is!! Probably not until we hit $100K, but we are only $1K shy of $50K at the moment with about 20 days left. At the current pace, we may hit $100K in about half that time, leaving some at the end for a push for more extra weapons.
However, at $90K the Mortis unlocks, so that is two extra weapon arms right there that he can offer for add-on purchases or the like.
@Mad4Minis- Agreed! Mark makes a great product, and this is about quality over quantity for me. Although, being plastic, the quantity isn't half bad, either
I hope this does well for a variety of reasons - not the least of which is as I've soured on 40K, I'd love to replace it will something else, and I'd love for it to be a fully supported and fleshed out game set in the Iron Core world!
Very excited about the new weapon options. I also think this thing is going to blow up once we hit the 90k mark...people will want the mortis so it should bring in a fresh influx not to mention current backers adding more funds to get the unlocks
It's looking pretty solid at this point. Even taking out the first day surge it's been consistant so hitting the 100k mark shouldn't be an issue, especially once we hit 80k and the 4.5" one. I think that and the Mortis are gonna be huge. If he's also planning the mini one and isn't locked in I'd suggest the mortis head as an option on that one along with the updated coolant backs as it'd sell like crazy with the new Chaos book coming out.
Just by the way kickstarters always go.. now that it's in the middle period it will slowly trickle up for the next 2 weeks or so, and then there will be a big surge at the end. I'm pretty confident this will end at over $100k.
Necros wrote: Just by the way kickstarters always go.. now that it's in the middle period it will slowly trickle up for the next 2 weeks or so, and then there will be a big surge at the end. I'm pretty confident this will end at over $100k.
agreed. I know I'm going to be upping my pledge amount before this kickstarter finishes as I need a second Leviathan I'm just playing the waiting game to see what the options for the 15mm scale as well as the mortis end up looking like. This kick starter is going to turn into a shut up and take my handfuls of money before its over
Necros wrote: Just by the way kickstarters always go.. now that it's in the middle period it will slowly trickle up for the next 2 weeks or so, and then there will be a big surge at the end. I'm pretty confident this will end at over $100k.
I'd expect to see surges each time a new product is added. The 15mm Crusader will be the big one, I think.
Necros wrote: Just by the way kickstarters always go.. now that it's in the middle period it will slowly trickle up for the next 2 weeks or so, and then there will be a big surge at the end. I'm pretty confident this will end at over $100k.
agreed. I know I'm going to be upping my pledge amount before this kickstarter finishes as I need a second Leviathan I'm just playing the waiting game to see what the options for the 15mm scale as well as the mortis end up looking like. This kick starter is going to turn into a shut up and take my handfuls of money before its over
Necros wrote: Just by the way kickstarters always go.. now that it's in the middle period it will slowly trickle up for the next 2 weeks or so, and then there will be a big surge at the end. I'm pretty confident this will end at over $100k.
I'd expect to see surges each time a new product is added. The 15mm Crusader will be the big one, I think.
Undoubtedly!
Though I wonder how the 15mm versions will fit into the Iron Core world/game?
Alpharius wrote: Though I wonder how the 15mm versions will fit into the Iron Core world/game?
"Wait... these plans were meant to be in inches? Administrator Kreiger is going to kill me!"
Hulksmash wrote:Squad support in enclosed environments? Hunter-killer teams in rough terrain for taking out larger walkers? I can see some places for them.
Right - what I meant was, does Mark already have plans for them, or will he have to shoehorn them in now, coming up with some valid reason why they look exactly like the Leviathans, only smaller!
There,I'm just altering my pledge from a single Levi and a Stormtrooper troupe to:
2x 20-man Stormtrooper troupes (and thus 2x Accessory sprues to go with them)
2x Heavy Weapon team Stormtrooper squads
2x Leviathans
with the addition of international shipping thus $330 USD!
If Heavy Troopers and Command is unlocked I will add to that pledge as well! (And if the Shadokesh bonus mini can be pledged for additional sets, that WILL DEMAND a pledge increase! )
Well, I'm betting the 15mm Leviathans will be useful for 15mm armies.
The Iron-Core game will be scale neutral I believe. So you'll be able to build out 15mm armies when they become available. Mark has shown the Stormtrooper infantry in 15mm test models.
In the meantime, there are plenty of non Iron-Core uses for a 15mm Leviathan.
Dread-knight, Knight Titan, Giant homicidal A.I robot, 15mm sci-fi game centerpiece.
I have one of the 15mm Resin Crusaders to do double duty. I'm using it for my Gruntz 15mm game, and also for Secrets of the Third Reich 1949 as an advanced Alien Tech German Walker.
Like me! Going to add 3 extra accessory packs when I get home. That will be it for me... Unless Mark adds a command set as it puts me at about $200 here (3 20man boxes, 3 heavy weapon boxes, 3 extra accessory packs).
A use for the 4.5" Leviathans in Iron-Core would be sweet as I'd love to use my 5.5" resin ones for it. If not, I'll probably just count them as taller since they're in between.
I might up mine for some troops towards the end, but not a lot, Im making a long distance move the day it closes, so finances wont be good. However, once the wife and I are working after the move I will be grabbing some stuff later on, prob direct order from Dreamforge if possible.
True, but dont forget all the weapons will be exchangeable with any VR5 variant Leviathan, so you could put the same weapon on a Crusader, Mortis, Azazel, Gabriel or Azriel.
Additional long-range weapon options for these would be great. Especially great if they are also offered on the 15mm version. Because now I'm thinking that those 15mm versions would be great as counts as Leman Russ's in an Imperial Guard army. Instead of tanks, your guard could use all walkers. With the Gatling Cannon, you'd probably count it as the one with the quad auto cannon turret. But with some of those other options, you could represent a lot of different tank variants, and get a really great looking force.
I think it will make $80,000 easily and unlock the 15mm Crusader, so hopefully people will push for extra 15mm crusader weapon options as well as the options for the big one.
Theophony wrote: Finished getting all my big furniture and household moved at 11 pm last night, movers were 7+ hours late showing up. The destroyed the sides of the fridge, and damaged some walls, but deducted about $600.00 from the move total......guess where that will be going.
well for what its worth i'm happy for your loss! Support weapons unlocked any second now!
NoseGoblin wrote: I just wanted to pop in and express my appreciation for all the help you all are giving. Not just in pledges but in helping to promote this project!
I have a lot of fun things in the works and a lot of time to spend prepping for some of the stretch goals, so I am not on as much as I would like.
All the best!
Mark-
Any chance we will see a true tank in the near future? Id love to see the Dreamforge (Iron Core) take on something like a Tiger II, or just a big MBT in general.
If you have any concepts done up, Id love to see them...perhaps a link if you would be so kind.
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RiTides wrote: Yes, it will be interesting to see how he offers them for sale after. Certainly direct, but he should finally have stock to use a distributor, too!
I think at least for the shorter term Ill be buying direct. I dont mind catching a good internet discount on things that larger companies are selling/producing in bulk, but while Dreamforge is still small and growing Id like to have my money go directly to the company.
When these are finally in production, I think I'll tour the local shops and ask them if they'd like to stock DFG minis. I'm sure Mark wouldn't mind having a few FLGS carrying his stuff, even if they are north of the border.
Welcome aboard von skyfury. You won't be sorry. As an owner of a resin crusader I can say its the best model out there for realism and detail. Anyone who would compare it to forgeworld should be shot because I have a battle company of forgeworld mark iv armored marines who didn't look this nice coming out of the box.
I really wanted to to stop myself from spending even more money on miniatures...
Lots of promised minis from different kickstarters but nothing here yet...
But hey, it's a giant robot =) At that price, it couldn't be stopped =P
Any chance of getting a size comparaison picture of those lovely troopers versus that MERC miniature ?
Mathieu Raymond wrote: When these are finally in production, I think I'll tour the local shops and ask them if they'd like to stock DFG minis. I'm sure Mark wouldn't mind having a few FLGS carrying his stuff, even if they are north of the border.
Get them to email Mark and see if he minds them pledging the KS stuff and selling it to the public...
Automatically Appended Next Post: For those that are curious about the infantry size, Mark posted this in the comments of the kick starter...
Skyfury, also note he is at the stage of just finalizing mold parting, and paying for them... Hence the Kickstarter . Turnaround should be faster than other projects (I.e. a few months, listed on the page for each item that we've unlocked so far).
So they are, on the whole, taller than marines. I guess I'll have to use more of the running or braced legs to make them look a smidge shorter.
Which reminds me, my grandfather was in WW2, and as such, was always a giant in my mind. He died many years ago, so the impression had stayed. When I got access to his medical history for a paper on his company's role in Normandy, I was shocked to read that he was all of 5'2'' tall. I'm short for an adult male, but I still stand almost 6 inches taller than the man.
So when I ordered a repro uniform to have a copy of his (I have a single picture of him in his P37), they swore it was sized to original specs, and yet I have quite a bit of room in it... either they lied or troopers must have felt lost inside their own uniforms.
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I've decided that mine will not be from a low grave world or one where the people are just giant, but mine are from the iron core dimension and have come through a dimensional rift of pure awesomeness to kick the imperium right in the jimmy. The emparah better get of his golden throne and ask the necrons or miss for help. Thinking of basing my guys with dead marines for fun.
And I'm now in for a few more Heavy Weapons teams...eyeing a Mortis, but I think I might be done outside of that.
If I can hop on my soapbox for a minute, I like miniatures. I eye just about every rack at the FLGS (and they have multiple aisles of ranges there...awesome store) and I flip through most of the Kickstarters and new model threads here and drool over the work in the galleries and CMON and the like. However, in the interests of disclosure I mainly buy GW, and I would rate them as the standard to which I compare models. In the nearly 15 years I've been spending irresponsible amounts of money on toy soldiers, I've not seen too many other ranges that make me get out my wallet for more than the odd blister. Most manufacturers have some awesome characters, but then the rank-and-file fall flat. Or they go the route of having lots of good sculpts, but very little tying them together across the sea of models they make. Say what you will about GW (and they have more than a few "WTF?" entries) for the most part they produce a good product; just at a horrible price point for most people.
Dreamforge, however, has wow-ed me enough to shell out a decent amount of coin, certainly the most any company other than GW has garnered. Sure, he cheated by giving me "World War-era German Army meets Imperial Stormtroopers" (you can't unsee that, btw), but the execution of his ideas is excellent. Those aren't just pretty renders; based on his previous work and WGF's GenCon footage I'm sure that is how the models will look in-hand. His designs are well-engineered based on the accessories he can just drop in for us which IMO puts it on par with GW's kits; no mean feat for what amount to a one-man company. Unlike some companies the models have a sense of the laws of physics and anatomy, with stances and ammo feeds being visible and believable. Plus, anyone can look at just this forum to see how he engages with his customers to provide the experience they want to have in his world.
While I'm biased as a supporter, I do think everyone who throws in with Mark on this will be quite happy they did so.
It's just one of each weapon, although maybe you can trade with others if you're after certain ones. I figure I may want the options
Just upped my pledge for 3 extra accessory packs, so that I can give all of my guys (including the heavy weapon teams) unhelmeted heads. I'll still be 3 heads short, but figure I can probably buy a few off someone
Thanks everyone! We are back to making good numbers but unfortunately the number of new participants are down.... I try not to obsess on such things as it can change day to day and I have far too much to do already but 100k is a bit much to have our current backers shoulder. Hmmmmmm
My quick Google failed me--but I recall someone posting a chart showing that most Kickstarter projects make a majority of their money the last few days. I hope this rings true in your case as well, you've been a good presence on Dakka!
/Plus--hey in all honesty I want to do a Word Bearers Mortis
RiTides wrote: It's just one of each weapon, although maybe you can trade with others if you're after certain ones. I figure I may want the options
Just upped my pledge for 3 extra accessory packs, so that I can give all of my guys (including the heavy weapon teams) unhelmeted heads. I'll still be 3 heads short, but figure I can probably buy a few off someone
I was thinking only my command squad(s) sarges and similiar would have unhelmeted heads so I may have a few for ya, if I can have some helmeted ones for conversions
AgeOfEgos wrote: My quick Google failed me--but I recall someone posting a chart showing that most Kickstarter projects make a majority of their money the last few days. I hope this rings true in your case as well, you've been a good presence on Dakka!
/Plus--hey in all honesty I want to do a Word Bearers Mortis
I will have some unhelmeted heads to trade for if you need them. I am one of the die hards that cringe every time I see a terminator withoutba helmet. Maybe I've watched too many movies with snipers. Waiting for funds to clear, but probably won't in time so hear goes the credit card.
Don't worry, new backers will come. You're stuck in the middle of the campaign and that always slows down for everyone.
Every time you hit a new stretch goal, send news of it out to all the news sites. They'll post it and you'll see more people signing up Post it on Table Top Gaming News, The miniatures page, beasts of war, bell of lost souls, board game geek and rpg.net. It might not be a board game or rpg, but you'll still get traffic to your page from there BGG even has a whole forum just for advertising kickstarters, can't find the link though.
Grundz wrote: Hey Nose: are there going to be any more revisions of the heavy weapons or are those the finished plans?
The Support Weapons Pack? These are the done deal
Okay, they look great, I just don't like the shield on the cannon (not enough rivits or details of any sort on the front of it IMHO, unlike the quad gun which looks FKING AWESOME)
From the pics it looks like a short howitzer? (or big .50cal?) very different from the metal anti tank gun right(?)
Also, are there missles inside the missle pod extra ammo pods? (you cant tell this is just me being nitpicky) the way you have this as both a possible mortar and rocket launcher is awesome.
I love the models and just went in on 3 sets of squads, at first i was a little concerned as to how those mg42's weren't going to snap but saw you have the quad mount supporting them all the way up to the heat shield and they dont overhang much, so thumbs up there
Grundz wrote: I was thinking only my command squad(s) sarges and similiar would have unhelmeted heads so I may have a few for ya, if I can have some helmeted ones for conversions
Helmeted for unhelmeted sounds like a perfect swap to me
Theophony- Normally, I feel that way too, but for guardsmen I think it makes them look perfect
Necros wrote: Don't worry, new backers will come. You're stuck in the middle of the campaign and that always slows down for everyone.
Every time you hit a new stretch goal, send news of it out to all the news sites. They'll post it and you'll see more people signing up Post it on Table Top Gaming News, The miniatures page, beasts of war, bell of lost souls, board game geek and rpg.net. It might not be a board game or rpg, but you'll still get traffic to your page from there BGG even has a whole forum just for advertising kickstarters, can't find the link though.
Yep I keep my posts up on all but BoW and rpg.net and bbg need to post to the last two.... BoW is a bit rough to get news on, at least for me. I send them news but they rarely post it or even respond…. Ah well not their cup of tea I guess
Grundz wrote: Hey Nose: are there going to be any more revisions of the heavy weapons or are those the finished plans?
The Support Weapons Pack? These are the done deal
Okay, they look great, I just don't like the shield on the cannon (not enough rivits or details of any sort on the front of it IMHO, unlike the quad gun which looks FKING AWESOME)
From the pics it looks like a short howitzer? (or big .50cal?) very different from the metal anti tank gun right(?)
Also, are there missles inside the missle pod extra ammo pods? (you cant tell this is just me being nitpicky) the way you have this as both a possible mortar and rocket launcher is awesome.
I love the models and just went in on 3 sets of squads, at first i was a little concerned as to how those mg42's weren't going to snap but saw you have the quad mount supporting them all the way up to the heat shield and they dont overhang much, so thumbs up there
That is a short 37 cannon good for a mobile light gun, mostly useful against heavy troopers but lacking against Mechs. Those are not missiles but a three barreled Mortar. You can barrage with a single Mortar
I just realized, and I am buying for a group, but my own pledge just raced past 500$. That is a big hole in my credit card, if my friends bail on me. I guess we'll see the strength of that bond, heh?
Any idea of a price point on that mortis, though? Hopefully in the same price range as the crusader? hmm?
I am hoping that the Mortis is identical in price to the Crusader. I think the campaign is going to see a huge surge from the 15mm Crusader and from the full-size Mortis. We just have to get there!
As mentioned previously by Hulk, a 15mm Mortis would sell insanely due to the new chaos 'dex coming out. Not sure if it's an option or not, but it would be a Big hit!
I know I'd be down for probably 2 of each type of 15mm (maybe more) if we got a mortis variant head on it. Otherwise I'll pick up 2 of the 15mm ones once their available. I'm already planning on us hitting the Mortis level though since I'm down for two Leviathans out of the 4 for my gaming group
AgeOfEgos wrote: My quick Google failed me--but I recall someone posting a chart showing that most Kickstarter projects make a majority of their money the last few days. I hope this rings true in your case as well, you've been a good presence on Dakka!
/Plus--hey in all honesty I want to do a Word Bearers Mortis
Who knows, could be tons of reasons. paydays, other projects, Monday... lolz
If I were you, NoseGoblin, I'd analyze those graphs and numbers closely. Why, for example, is there a spike in pledges on 8-19, 8-21, & 8-23? But only a spike in supporters on 8-21 & 8-23? If you can figure out patterns, maybe you can adjust your marketing strategy accordingly, and try to maximize whatever is driving the numbers.
If it keeps on the same rate, it will hit $100,000. Of course, many who are going to join have already done so - the question is whether you, and the existing supporters, can drum up further interest to keep it chugging along to that 100K goal.
Maybe some more neat-o special prizes or add-ons? You probably are already over-extended in terms of product creation, but maybe some more enticements like having an in-universe character named after you? Or signed prints of something, or those kinds of premiums that I've seen on other Kickstarters. I dunno, I'm new at this, but I hope you make it to the 80K and 90K goals... I want little guys and a Mortis!
-C6
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RiTides wrote: I am hoping that the Mortis is identical in price to the Crusader. I think the campaign is going to see a huge surge from the 15mm Crusader and from the full-size Mortis. We just have to get there!
As mentioned previously by Hulk, a 15mm Mortis would sell insanely due to the new chaos 'dex coming out. Not sure if it's an option or not, but it would be a Big hit!
Good point about the Mortis - Chaos connection. That's why I want it too! Sounds like a way to sell this to many other curent and future Chaos players
Can't hide it do easily from the fiancé when we are meant to be saving for a wedding!
