Stranger83 wrote: Would you need to pay an import tax though? I can only speak for the UK as i dont know other countries laws but here you would only pay tax on something you buy, which is not what you do with kickstarter. Kickstarter gives you free rewards (or gifts) in exchange for the money they need to make the project happen - i havnt bought anything. Now since tax is charged at 20% of what it cist me 20% of nithing is still nothing.
I guess a lot will depend on how they ship it, but in my mind this is a gift and should be free from tax ( in the UK at least)
Belgium is a horrible country when it comes to mailservices and import taxes.
1.If you send it as a gift you don't have to pay taxes if the value is lower then 45 Euro (about 65USD).
2.If you send it as a non-gift it the following rule. If the VAT on the object would be worth more then 22 EURO you have to pay, since BE customs sayt here is not VAT on US products (since they don't pay VAT I think?, different system) You have to pay an extra 22%
For example you buy goods worth 100EUR you pay 122EUR. + 20 Administration cost from the belgian postal service (extra rip off).
If you are unlucky I think there is even a 6% or maybe 15% import tax, it only applies to some goods or the goodwill of the custom services (which they don't have lol).
Indeed, other contries will have their own rules, but I do think kickstarter stuff should be sent as a gift - despite many people using it as a shop Kickstarter themselves clearly state that it is not a shop and any goods are a gift. If gifts in your country are free of tax then you shouldn't really pay tax on anything you get via kickstarter - atleast thats what I think, but as always it'll depend on how it is packaged and on the opinion of the individual custom officer who deals with it.
I'm going to plan on paying the full import tax - but I hope that it won't be required.
Zombicide was sent as a gift, a sneaky one at that with a lower overall total value on the customs slip, something some of the American backers did not approve of one bit.
Well, I guess the value declared on Zombicide might have been the value of the items to the sender. As in closer to what CMON paid for the goods than what a consumer might pay at retail.
There are varying levels of "value", after all. When GW imports product into places like Australia, the stock is valued (for customs) at a tiny fraction of what it will eventually retail for, as a sale from GWUK to GWAU. (I saw some paperwork many years ago when a friend worked in AU Trade, and I assume it's much the same today.)
That value will be far different to what the wholesale price would be, and different again to the RRP. All of which are valid, but different "values" to the same products.
Stranger83 wrote: Not according to kickstarter its not. Im not meanimg you cant think of it as a shop but if you thought a spoon was a knife it doesn't make it one, even if it can be used as one if you wish.
The point is kickstarter are very clear they are not a shop - and that the rewards are a gift given for your help in making the project a reality. If it is just a free reward then it shouldn't be taxed, according to UK law as it stands at the moment. Obviously it'll depend on how they ship the stuff - if they include an invoice and send it marked as sold goods then it'll get taxed, but I think it could just as legitimately be sent as a gift with an insert that says something like "thanks very much for your help in making the project a reality, please find enclosed your agreed gift" in which case it would not be taxed.
Edited it make it sound a little less confruntational.
So you would, honestly, tell me that you would think it was alright if Adam Poots, at the end of the KS, tells everyone thanks for the support but that he will not ship any of the "gifts". Because if you are just happy to support the project then what difference would it make?
No, I am sorry, but I believe that most people demand that they get the goods for which they pledged for.
The thing with Kickstarter, at least as it applies to our miniatures gaming projects is that it straddles the line between "make it happen" (or make more of it happen, faster) and pre-order. Pretty much all of the projects do this, so despite the "it's about supporting the artists" crowd, it's also about pre-orders.
There's a lot of other stuff like that on KS, and it seems that the "donations, not purchases" clause must be to some degree at least to insulate Kickstarter itself legally as a go-between for when people occasionally disappear without a word after taking in $80k.
For us though, we are helping the creators to make more toys, but if it walks like a duck...
Stranger83 wrote: Not according to kickstarter its not. Im not meanimg you cant think of it as a shop but if you thought a spoon was a knife it doesn't make it one, even if it can be used as one if you wish.
The point is kickstarter are very clear they are not a shop - and that the rewards are a gift given for your help in making the project a reality. If it is just a free reward then it shouldn't be taxed, according to UK law as it stands at the moment. Obviously it'll depend on how they ship the stuff - if they include an invoice and send it marked as sold goods then it'll get taxed, but I think it could just as legitimately be sent as a gift with an insert that says something like "thanks very much for your help in making the project a reality, please find enclosed your agreed gift" in which case it would not be taxed.
Edited it make it sound a little less confruntational.
So you would, honestly, tell me that you would think it was alright if Adam Poots, at the end of the KS, tells everyone thanks for the support but that he will not ship any of the "gifts". Because if you are just happy to support the project then what difference would it make?
No, I am sorry, but I believe that most people demand that they get the goods for which they pledged for.
I didnt say that, ive pledged at a level that'll get me the free gifts i want, but if Adam did just walk off without giving the models i wouldnt have a come back as i havn't actually bought anything. If a shop doesnt give you something you buy you can claim the money back through the courtsor the payment provider, you wouldnt be able to do so via kickstarter as it isnt a shop. Since it isnt a shop (speaking from a legal point of view, i know many view it as a shop and use it as such) then you should pay tax as, legally, you havnt bought anything.
Sadly (for the UK at least) it wouldn't matter what Adam declared the stuff as, gift or commercial item as from the HMRC website
2.2 Do I have to pay import duties and/or import VAT on goods sent to me?
Most goods arriving in the UK from outside the EU are liable to any or all of the following taxes:
■ customs duty
■ excise duty (fortunately boardgames seem to be zero rated at present)
■ import VAT
and must be paid whether:
■ you purchase the goods or receive them as a gift
■ the goods are new or used (including antiques)
■ the goods are for your private use or for re-sale
Which was my point, legally you dont pay tax on a gift (in the UK) and legally this is a gift, so logicaly you shouldnt pay tax on things that come via kickstarter.
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Sadly (for the UK at least) it wouldn't matter what Adam declared the stuff as, gift or commercial item as from the HMRC website
2.2 Do I have to pay import duties and/or import VAT on goods sent to me?
Most goods arriving in the UK from outside the EU are liable to any or all of the following taxes:
■ customs duty
■ excise duty (fortunately boardgames seem to be zero rated at present)
■ import VAT
and must be paid whether:
■ you purchase the goods or receive them as a gift
■ the goods are new or used (including antiques)
■ the goods are for your private use or for re-sale
Wow, that must have changed in the last couple of years. I used to regularly get gifts from a relative in Canada and never paid tax. Oh well, guess ive learned my something new for today.
We have achieved our 875k goal and the Dragon King Expansion has been upgraded! This means that every copy of the Expansion now comes packed with the Dragon King ( human form ) miniature, additional AI, Hit Location, Resource cards and rules. Even has a man, he stands nearly 12ft tall and will tower over any survivors that challenge him!
Just to be clear, there is nothing additional you need to do in order to get him. If you have pledged for the Dragon King Expansion then you will get the miniature and it's rules.
Stranger83 wrote: Which was my point, legally you dont pay tax on a gift (in the UK) and legally this is a gift, so logicaly you shouldnt pay tax on things that come via kickstarter.
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Sadly (for the UK at least) it wouldn't matter what Adam declared the stuff as, gift or commercial item as from the HMRC website
2.2 Do I have to pay import duties and/or import VAT on goods sent to me?
Most goods arriving in the UK from outside the EU are liable to any or all of the following taxes:
■ customs duty
■ excise duty (fortunately boardgames seem to be zero rated at present)
■ import VAT
and must be paid whether:
■ you purchase the goods or receive them as a gift
■ the goods are new or used (including antiques)
■ the goods are for your private use or for re-sale
Wow, that must have changed in the last couple of years. I used to regularly get gifts from a relative in Canada and never paid tax. Oh well, guess ive learned my something new for today.
You do have an allowance, for gifts I think it's £32 (it used to be £36), and for purchaces £15 (used to be £16?) based on actual values so small presents would never have had tax to pat
and customs are generally less concerned with personal stuff so a single package is unlikely to attract attention.... but 100+ (guessing what the number of KD boxes coming into the uk will be), somebody will probably 'see' those
I don't get the whole freebie part tbh. When I look at the Kingdom death and others. Just being able to get a deduction RRP is good enough for me. Cause in the end they have to make bank or just flip over due to bad judgement or else. Nobody wants that. Also when I see how people are crying about the shipping I don't really get that either.
I have been buying Kingdom Death miniatures since well since it first popped up on my radar and allmost have them all.
It's about 15 dollar shipping for each release I bought (mostly these were 2 miniatures)
Now I can get the box+expansion+all the rest for international shipping fees of 45 dollar. Wich seems awfully cheap in comparison, if I had to buy them later through COMON or Adam's site (or chose to buy em later). Since Adam does not really wholesale I don't see him working together with the kinds of maelstrom anytime soon.
So all in all it's cheaper then retail. You do get free stuff not as much but still there is enough to go around. You got a gakload of options.(bases, extra armor kits and what not) and a relative cheap upfront shipping when you go big. Wich saves you money later on as well. So yeah sounds good to me.
Negatives still no 2nd gameplay movie. This is sad and should been up ages ago. First video was not really high end made so there is no real justifcation for the delay. It does'nt have to be flashy it has be informative. Also why 1 extra pheonix and watcher and those 5 knights. Do I need those for play or is it just added stuff for painting and what not. It seems like HUGE models wich could've gone to a lot better options (for example a free expension regardless of 300$).
Just for painting from what I can tell, useless in-game. Which is probably why people are complaining about the lack of freebies for this one, the only real upgrade the game got is completely pointless since you don't need the duplicate models.
I guess you could say the same thing for Sedition Wars, but at least that game has potential to become a wargame later on and is just starting out small for now, in which case the mountain of extra minis you got through that KS will be useful later. Somehow I don't see Kingdom Death doing the same and expanding much beyond the style of game that is Monster, so more unique models would have been good for this one, especially if you're into painting. Of course this is Kingdom Death, so I imagine most people are just delighted that they have a chance to buy the models without fear of them selling out before they can finish the check-out process.
raven2100 wrote: I don't get the whole freebie part tbh. When I look at the Kingdom death and others. Just being able to get a deduction RRP is good enough for me. Cause in the end they have to make bank or just flip over due to bad judgement or else. Nobody wants that. Also when I see how people are crying about the shipping I don't really get that either.
I have been buying Kingdom Death miniatures since well since it first popped up on my radar and allmost have them all.
It's about 15 dollar shipping for each release I bought (mostly these were 2 miniatures)
Now I can get the box+expansion+all the rest for international shipping fees of 45 dollar. Wich seems awfully cheap in comparison, if I had to buy them later through COMON or Adam's site (or chose to buy em later). Since Adam does not really wholesale I don't see him working together with the kinds of maelstrom anytime soon.
So all in all it's cheaper then retail. You do get free stuff not as much but still there is enough to go around. You got a gakload of options.(bases, extra armor kits and what not) and a relative cheap upfront shipping when you go big. Wich saves you money later on as well. So yeah sounds good to me.
Negatives still no 2nd gameplay movie. This is sad and should been up ages ago. First video was not really high end made so there is no real justifcation for the delay. It does'nt have to be flashy it has be informative. Also why 1 extra pheonix and watcher and those 5 knights. Do I need those for play or is it just added stuff for painting and what not. It seems like HUGE models wich could've gone to a lot better options (for example a free expension regardless of 300$).
Other then that it's perfect.
You have to also calculate that the higher your pledge total will be the higher your VAT and taxes and additional fees will become. For example, in Sweden, you don't have to pay VAT or tax on packages with a value less than X amount and above that, you'll have to add 25% VAT and on toys another additional 6-7% plus a customs fee. So while I save on shipping by getting them all from this KS, I will lose out on the VAT, tax and customs fee. So on a $300 pledge I will have to pay roughly $400. So the extra $100 I'll have to pay for a big package I could instead get 5-6 orders without needing to pay extra.
Starweaver wrote: The final push will probably be small by comparison.
Then again, i have no doubt it will hit 1 million and that seems like a damn fine achievement.
More than "damn fine" I would think. In the (admittedly comparatively short) history of Kickstarter, only a mere 17 projects have knocked down the magic mark of [Dr. Evil Voice] a Million Dollars!.
I am saying 90mm for total height. That is just a guess. I am not an expert on miniature scales but I think it can get confusing because people assume you measure from the bottom to the top of the head. I think the correct way is the bottom to the eyes. So if you assume the 12 ft dragon in human form would be at least 70 mm from bottom to eye level then all that other stuff above the eyes like the headgear/hair could add quite a bit more to the miniature.
That was my BF Survivor that popped up. Been wrestling with spending $400+ on a board game I'd probably never get to play for a while, and having to put $1k in to our car over Christmas pushed me over the edge.
I definitely have some qualms about how up in the air the plastic quality is, but might get back in for just the exclusive survivors and a Flower Knight at the last minute.
A poster "Mason" put up a series of links regarding Object Source Lighting and skintone that I thought I might repost (since I'll never find them otherwise!);
plastictrees wrote: That was my BF Survivor that popped up. Been wrestling with spending $400+ on a board game I'd probably never get to play for a while, and having to put $1k in to our car over Christmas pushed me over the edge.
I definitely have some qualms about how up in the air the plastic quality is, but might get back in for just the exclusive survivors and a Flower Knight at the last minute.
I'm kinda wrestling with a similar dilemma but am holding onto my BF Survivor until the last moment. My brother and I don't have the same time available that we used to for this sort of thing. Might be good but no telling when we'd actually play (assuming we liked it).
Good luck in your situation! whichever way you decide to go.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I belive Adam may be waiting to see how the Sedition Wars 3rd party shipping works out before making a decision as he's concerned things may not run to his high standards without him to supervise things. If the SW stuff goes well he may be persuaded otherwise
But at present I'd say it's unlikely (and we won't get a decision before the KS ends), so plan to pay the import tax/VAT and concider it a bonus if it does happen
(and if Adam does get something set up consider it a bonus)
That's a shame, because there are probably a few europeans dithering about supporting, including me.
For smaller orders (the special editions only), the postage seems pretty steep, but for larger orders the biggest concern is the VAT, import taxes and fees, which will probably add up to more than an additional 30% to the cost.
I've got a BF survivor pledge I'm still undecided about yet purely because of the above and the lead time; I may just be better off buying it from a UK retailer in a years time.
I can certainly understand the hesitation around import taxes (i'm going to be hit there too) but a few points to consider
Adam is leaning towards NOT going into traditional distribution, maybe only via select partners (eg CMON) so as his UK partner has gone (Maelstrom) it may well not be available without importing it anyway (he definatly won't be making it available to online retailers that provide deep discounts)
He's said the basic game box now looks like it will have to retail at $120 to make financial sense so there is some discount there, and the expansions have significant discount so even with tax you'll probably end up only paying roughly retail rates
now that may still be too much for you (it is an expensive game no doubt about that) but if you can afford it, and do want the game (eventually) this is still probably the best point to get it
If he wants to have lots of non-US sales in the future, he's going to need to have a UK partner or the like, though. I'm not saying he needs to have it for this KS (although it would've been great), but just because he hasn't committed to having one long-term doesn't mean much imo. To do otherwise would limit a lot of future sales he could otherwise have.
I think part of the issue is finding somebody who doesn't demand the normal huge discounts a distributor gets, and who is understanding about small restocks
(he's certainly mentioned this in regards CMON, so I'm presuming he had a similar setup with Maelstrom)
I guess it's a question of whether any other UK/European outfit is willing to deal on those terms. I hope Adam will find somebody, I really do (if only for selfish reasons about buying the resins without international postage)
Came across an interesting read this morning in The Penny Arcade Report with regards to kickstarting board games: Link to Article
Minion Games has just launched a new Kickstarter campaign for their upcoming board game Hegemonic. That’s not very newsworthy. What is impressive is the fact that this is the company’s sixth Kickstarter campaign, and they’ve finished and shipped a board game for each one.
“I wouldn’t say that we made many actual mistakes because we started using Kickstarter early and much wasn’t known about how to approach it as a board game maker,” James Mathe, the owner of Minion Games, told the Penny Arcade Report. Kickstarter allows the company to release games that are profitable right out of the gate. So I had to ask, what were they doing so right?
It mentions some of the pitfalls of making board games and some of the benefits to kickstarting them.
especially as Sedition Wars had a lucky escape from problems with their Chinese Printer and might even have made Xmas deliveries at least for the US if the containers had not at at the docks in China for a couple of weeks
and
Mantic had significant problems with their out of house stuff for Dreadball (stuff not packed ready to ship, QC issues with the figures and printing issues that meant they had to get the card counters printed by a UK firm on very short notice)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I can certainly understand the hesitation around import taxes (i'm going to be hit there too) but a few points to consider
Adam is leaning towards NOT going into traditional distribution, maybe only via select partners (eg CMON) so as his UK partner has gone (Maelstrom) it may well not be available without importing it anyway (he definatly won't be making it available to online retailers that provide deep discounts)
He's said the basic game box now looks like it will have to retail at $120 to make financial sense so there is some discount there, and the expansions have significant discount so even with tax you'll probably end up only paying roughly retail rates
now that may still be too much for you (it is an expensive game no doubt about that) but if you can afford it, and do want the game (eventually) this is still probably the best point to get it
But if I'm going to end up paying roughly retail prices via kickstarter now, with a lead time of a year, wouldn't it make more sense to put the money aside and buy it at retail when it gets here? I know kickstarter is about making projects happen, but lets be fair here, at $900,000 of a $35,000 goal, it's going ahead. At the moment it probably makes more financial sense for me to leave it until launch, because there's very little incentive after importing, which is a shame.
I'd hope he'd have some UK retailer support eventually, or he's missing a fair bit of the market.
And it's here (the glue literally just finished drying on the model from what Adam posted
New Years Eve! 900k Stretch Goal attained!
Update #40 · Jan. 01, 2013 · 7 comments
We did it everyone!
The Lion God Gameplay expansion can be added to your pledge level for +$25, the final MSRP will be $40 ( or maybe even a little more ) due to the models huge size. The Lion God is both a monster your survivors can hunt and an upgrade for the White Lion monster that comes in the core game box. This expansion has a few new gameplay features including mixing some of the AI cards from both monsters to create unique challenges and a revenge mechanic, wherein if you kill too many of the God's younger kin ( making all those lion armor sets no doubt ) there is a chance the Lion God may roll up to your settlement to take you out!
Since most encounters with this legendary entity are so "high level" I felt it was important to add a bit more campaign depth and extend the life of the good ole White Lion. That way its not just pure boss content that only enduring campaigns get to mess around with.
The Lion God was sculpted by Allan Carrasco and I worked on the concept Illustration with Danny Cruz. It was really a 3 part team that brought the final creature together to life.
I'll be adding some more glamor shots, after I finish my next most important mission. GAMEPLAY VIDEO #2. My drop dead finish date for it is jan 3rd.
950k unlocks our next stretch goal & 1 Mill will unlock the FINAL gameplay expansion!
The long... thing coming out of it's face doesn't connect on the far side, right?
And he's got hands coming out of his rear, holding a long penile tail... honestly, at this point his models are becoming a bit of a parody of themselves.
I must've been confused by the concept art- I thought the "trunk" for lack of a better word, was coming out of the lion's ear, and that it's face was facing upward as if roaring. But from what I can tell here, the "trunk" is coming out of the center of it's face, and it's looking directly at the camera, right?
So yeah... that model's kind of a miss for me. I'm sure the King will blow it out of the water, though.
6 days for 1 million. It might be close, but hopefully it gets there.
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RiTides wrote: The long... thing coming out of it's face doesn't connect on the far side, right?
Nope. At least, it didn't in the concept art.
And he's got hands coming out of his rear, holding a long penile tail... honestly, at this point his models are becoming a bit of a parody of themselves.
If you checked the BoLS preview, the phoenix had a bunch of hands doing a Goatse with its rear end. This whole perversity has been part of KD from the beginning, and I'm glad it's being carried on further, since it's been skipped by a large part of the kickstarter.
I must've been confused by the concept art- I thought the "trunk" for lack of a better word, was coming out of the lion's ear, and that it's face was facing upward as if roaring. But from what I can tell here, the "trunk" is coming out of the center of it's face, and it's looking directly at the camera, right?
That trunk is the lion's actual face. And it wasn't an ear, it was a vulva.
It's an interesting, and certainly unique model, but I'm not sure if it'll fit in my budget.
And he's got hands coming out of his rear, holding a long penile tail... honestly, at this point his models are becoming a bit of a parody of themselves.
If you checked the BoLS preview, the phoenix had a bunch of hands doing a Goatse with its rear end. This whole perversity has been part of KD from the beginning, and I'm glad it's being carried on further, since it's been skipped by a large part of the kickstarter.
Exactly, I agree completely that it's being carried on further, but was skipped by a large part of the KS. Which is why it appeals to me less and less- as "perversity" and my gaming table don't go together all that well.
It's another reason why I may go after some of the sculpts I absolutely LOVE (twilight knight, flower knight, white lion armor kits) at a later date, rather than being a part of this now. If the Phoenix has hands coming out of its' rear, too... well it's just not what I'm looking for in a model I guess
I had the impression he'd be shying away from the perversity (leaving the furthest "out there" sculpts out of the campaign), but I guess we've gotten far enough along that he's gone back to it a bit. I can't personally see this most recent being a model with a ton of mass appeal, and maybe that's not his goal, but it certainly is on the road to that with this campaign going to make WELL over a million. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out when folks have a chance to see up close the models they're planning to put on their gaming tables
I'd also like to clarify that I don't see anything Wrong at all with this model, it's just weird / creepy / odd, and not for me, and I'm betting in the long run won't be for a lot of others, either (of course in the frenzy of this campaign many will re-up for it, though, as "gotta catch 'em all" sets in ).
Creator Kingdom Death about 3 hours ago
Yes, that is correct. I cannot allow rewards to be traded in or swapped, and I will not be offering a way for people to add additional funds after the campaign ends. The logistics of managing either of these is a pure nightmare and both are not really in the "spirit" of kickstarter, which is neither an e-commerce solution or a group on.
That's a definitive no to after KS additional funds pledge for what you want now as there will be no option to add later
I apologize for the inconvenience but we will not be allowing people to increase their pledge total after the kickstarter ends. It is a logistical nightmare and kickstarter is not an e-commerce platform, increasing a pledge after the campaign, while convenient is not in the spirit of kickstarter.
RTides--- just want to let you know you aren't alone with this or the other strangely perverse models: I don't know how many I'll be getting either. I really like this mini aside from the cock-tail and the weird ass trunk face.
I'd love to hear some more info I regards to the background for why they look like that. Maybe with some functional perspective I could change my tune. Until then ill be sticking to the more "normal" monsters and the incredibly curvaceous, barely clothes women ;-)
Kingdom Death is a very personal vision of nightmare horror, I fully understand that many of the creature designs & content may be deeply disturbing for people, but in many cases that was part of the creative process.
I will also add that details and nightmare elements are not added simply for effect, every part of a creature and the world often has a very specific function in respect to itself, it's environment and the world around it.
Think of it like a nightmare "animal planet". And as a player you take a human perspective, struggling to both understand and survive the world around you.
Bear in mind Adam I'm not offended by any of it and I very much appreciate the artistry of it. I just need to better understand the purpose of some of the phallic appendages in order to place it.
They certainly are unnerving though, which I think is what you're driving for.
Like, the wet nurse doesn't bother me because I "get" the function of the phallic appendages and multiple breasts. This one I'm just not there yet. But then again, I don't know that I've ever had any nightmares concerning sexuality, which is obviously something this world is intended to evoke.
I love the models that Adam's put together, and even if I don't like a certain part, likes hands coming out of the phoenix's butt, it's nothing a knife can't handle. Not that I plan to cut mine up!
greywulf wrote: I love the models that Adam's put together, and even if I don't like a certain part, likes hands coming out of the phoenix's butt, it's nothing a knife can't handle. Not that I plan to cut mine up!
Lol. Yeah, I'd love to hear the justification for that for one
greywulf wrote: I love the models that Adam's put together, and even if I don't like a certain part, likes hands coming out of the phoenix's butt, it's nothing a knife can't handle. Not that I plan to cut mine up!
Lol. Yeah, I'd love to hear the justification for that for one
Adam any word on how EU and others will get shipped to as some other people have raised issues about paying a butload of tax while others use a distributor settled in the UK or any other relevant part?
@Raven, I think I answered you on the comment section of the kickstarter but this is worth repeating :
RavenX2000, at this time there is still no official word on how everything will be delivered. There is a lot of business development that can take place between the end of this kickstarter and late next year when rewards begin to ship. I have not yet secured a partner I fully trust to handle EU fulfillment for me so for now I plan on shipping packages from the states via USPS Priority international. I will do the best I can as far as declaring value and I am need to consult with a few export specialists before I can fully weigh in and give official word on how it will be handled.
For now, please expect international orders to be shipped from the states via USPS priority international and have a declared value of your pledge total. ( from what i understand this is exactly how reaper handled it ) Which will be significantly lower then the cost of the goods at MSRP price.
kingdomdeath wrote: [...] For now, please expect international orders to be shipped from the states via USPS priority international and have a declared value of your pledge total. ( from what i understand this is exactly how reaper handled it ) Which will be significantly lower then the cost of the goods at MSRP price.
That's a shame. This will most likely drop my pledge for around $7-800 to around $300. I am also seriously pondering, in the case it tips the way I still want to go the route of $7-800, about gettng 2 copies to split the value of each package up, and also make sure I get "rewarded" for putting in that amount of money into the KS (double rewards and then sell the core game on ebay or something).
AFAIK Reaper are declaring the value as your pledge level not your pledge total so if you picked the $100 level that's what they declared even if you add $200 of extras for a pledge total of $300 they will only declare $100 as the value there's a big difference between pledge level value and pledges total value especially when it comes to KD:M
Either way I'm fully prepared to have to pay import VAT next December but it has restricted how much I put into the KS I had intended in getting all of the expansions and pin ups however I 've now restricted it to just Survivor plus expansions and will probably finish at around $400 from a budget of $650.
The Lion God looks great better than the artwork definitely getting him still in two minds about the Gorm money is in but it may get allocated to something else. I hope the
Goat thing appears at some point in the future
The Lion God Gameplay expansion can be added to your pledge level for +$25, the final MSRP will be $40 ( or maybe even a little more ) due to the models huge size. The Lion God is both a monster your survivors can hunt and an upgrade for the White Lion monster that comes in the core game box. This expansion has a few new gameplay features including mixing some of the AI cards from both monsters to create unique challenges and a revenge mechanic, wherein if you kill too many of the God's younger kin ( making all those lion armor sets no doubt ) there is a chance the Lion God may roll up to your settlement to take you out!
Since most encounters with this legendary entity are so "high level" I felt it was important to add a bit more campaign depth and extend the life of the good ole White Lion. That way its not just pure boss content that only enduring campaigns get to mess around with.
The Lion God was sculpted by Allan Carrasco and I worked on the concept Illustration with Danny Cruz. It was really a 3 part team that brought the final creature together to life.
I'll be adding some more glamor shots, after I finish my next most important mission. GAMEPLAY VIDEO #2. My drop dead finish date for it is jan 3rd.
950k unlocks our next stretch goal & 1 Mill will unlock the FINAL gameplay expansion!
Oh... now I get it, the head is turned to the side... when I saw the artwork I thought the face was coming out of his ear or something.
Awesome model though, you've literally outdone yourself with this kickstarter... I can't wait to see the last two.
Schmapdi wrote: Yeah - I think had it just been a big nightmarish lion with a human face it would have been pretty spifffy.
But I just don't understand what that giant thing coming out of his face is or is supposed to be.
I don't mind a lot of the KD style but am not thrilled about the hands holding the 'face' open for the crowned head.
On the other hand, though it may be the Spider Silk Assassin pinup, I'm hoping the $950k goal is based on the Dung Beetle Knight instead. Looks as though it could be.
If so, then it would be the first pin-up based off a minor expansion monster, and seeing how one-million is the final expansion and he confirmed the spider silk pin-up is coming, I find it being based off the Beetle Knight unlikely.
Hey; new to this whole kickstarter thing and decided to pledge, love the Berserk/Loftcraftian vibe.
I was just wondering exactly though how the pledge works; if I donate say 200 dollars and only pick the 100 dollar game box reward but want the expansions (etc) Is that asked later or is there some special way of putting down which expansions(etc) you wish to purchase with your pledge? Thanks.
Unfortunately I just had to cancel my pledge of 300$ due to a massive medical bill for my gf's cat i just had to take care of. Best of luck to Adam, glad to see this kickstarter has worked out so well for him.
I can't wait to see what it is, what it costs, and what the final (?) stretch goal will be - even though it has to be the King, right?
I would both guess and hope so. In addition to a kick-ass model, hopefully it'll have really cool in game stuff too. Oh! And an armor set, right? Assuming it is indeed a major expansion.
I really hope it is the King in addition to some other nice bonus for the Heralds of Death or Survivors.
Also, I hope that Adam plays his card right the final few days. Even if he has run out on stretch goals, he can easily have more items commissioned. He could get several new miniatures funded.
he only said this was the last gameplay expansion, so pinups/armour kits remain a real possibility,
as do, I guess possibly, re-doing older stuff that he wouldn't reissue as the printing/sculpting stuff he's getting done now has improved since the early days of KD
Right. So according to what's been said so far in comments, there wont be any more game content (read: expansions) as stretch goals after the $1M mark. It'll be interesting to see what he plans for post-$1M though.
Some have suggested that future stretch goals could be used for:
• Offsetting the cost of international shipping
• Tossing in more free stuff to existing pledge levels
• Getting a hardcover (special/collector's edition) for the rule book
I'd be fine with any of those or as OrlandotheTechnicolored - can I call you Orlando? - suggested re-doing or doing additional runs of existing KD miniatures.
I don't mind existing KD miniatures being added to the game. However, this is the survivor/monster game. Adam has mentioned the next one will be focused on the Heroes. I guess it would make more sense to "save" the character classes miniatures for that game rather than adding them here already.
Dentry wrote: Right. So according to what's been said so far in comments, there wont be any more game content (read: expansions) as stretch goals after the $1M mark. It'll be interesting to see what he plans for post-$1M though.
Some have suggested that future stretch goals could be used for:
• Offsetting the cost of international shipping
• Tossing in more free stuff to existing pledge levels
• Getting a hardcover (special/collector's edition) for the rule book
I'd be fine with any of those or as OrlandotheTechnicolored - can I call you Orlando? - suggested re-doing or doing additional runs of existing KD miniatures.
Yup, Orlando's cool
I suspect he's going to surprise us
and while an art book would be excellent a real quality product on those line (adam wants leather covers, vellum etc) as as I know folk in the publishing industry, would be eyewateringly expensive so I'm pretty sure that's out
and even though I'm in the UK so would benefit from shipping offset it would be a bit sad for the US backers (I can't belive I'm saying this) so I think Adam could give this idea a miss...
I like the idea of more stuff for survivor or herald of death (or maybe even the box game, but limited to KS backers rather than expanding the content going to retail)
I'd also quite like more art for the digital art book, alternate views of pinups, armours monsters and survivors as so much of the art is so good
950K Reached! Next up... THE MILLION DOLLAR STRETCH GOAL!
Update #41 · Jan. 02, 2013 · 8 comments
I think the sugar rush from the bag of skittles I woke up and ate for breakfast is just starting to kick in, there are about a bazillion things I want to say and I've been staring into this text box trying to figure out how to fit them all in.
I guess I will just be concise and say the simple conglomeration of it all...
THANK YOU
We've hit the 950k goal and unlocked the Spider Silk Assassin. I happen to love cliche Assassin Type Characters tho... for KD:M the idea of an Assassin is a bit out of place. There wouldn't be any steady work! Pinups are not canon to the game world, so the artist and I decided that for her it would be ok. For +$15 you can add her plastic version to your rewards and for +$25 the resin. She will be sculpted by Jon-Troy Nickel, the same artist that sculpted the Pinup Twilight Knight, White Speaker, Pinup Preacher and Pinup Architect.
You can now also optionally pledge for additional sets of the Dragon Armor Miniature Kit. Update #20 has some WIP images of their respective sculpts. For +$25 you'll get enough to make 4 more miniatures and for +$50 there will be enough parts to make 20 miniatures! I know some people were excited about using them for regiment building for other game systems, so I hope this helps you out! Oh, weapons will of course be included with the kits but work on these won't begin until after the kickstarter campaign.
1,000,000 Stretch Goal - The Lantern Festival The Lantern Festival takes the survivors beyond the Watcher and introduces a greater and much older threat. ( Maybe 1,000,000 years old? hehe ) I will divulge the details if we get there!
Gameplay Video #2 - Things are on track and I think my estimate of having it uploaded late tomorrow night is currently on target. I am skipping editing fanciness for just pure content. It touches upon much more of the gameplay aspects and will hopefully give everyone a better sense of the game in its entirety.
It's the King alright. Looks like Adam changed the text from the Lantern Festival to the King. :p I guess too many people refered to it as the King that it caught on.
So the Lantern Festival will include the Scribe and another figure - speculation is it may be the Lantern armour Pin Up as it's the only armour set without a pin up and the pin ups are based on armour kits all that for $45 ish very nice (price based on Adam's previous comment that it will cost roughly the same as other Major expansions)
Just to Clarify, the monster is indeed called the King. I wanted to call the expansion "the lantern festival" since it will include more then just the king. But I think I might have confused some people! hehe
Yep, Adam just said it's not a Watcher pinup, but it's Watcher related. Since you get the Lantern Armor from killing the Watcher (at least from my understanding), it would stand to reason it's the lantern armor pinup
Goddamnit, I was wrong again. It isn't the Watcher Pin-up. :p
It's a shame that Adam isn't posting a list on what of these items will be available in resin later. I really dont want to spend money on getting the plastics only to know I'll have to ebay them and pick up resin instead. :/
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: and even though I'm in the UK so would benefit from shipping offset it would be a bit sad for the US backers (I can't belive I'm saying this) so I think Adam could give this idea a miss...
I like the idea of more stuff for survivor or herald of death (or maybe even the box game, but limited to KS backers rather than expanding the content going to retail)
I'd also quite like more art for the digital art book, alternate views of pinups, armours monsters and survivors as so much of the art is so good
As an American backer, I wouldn't mind a strech goal being conducive toward helping non-American backers with their shipping woes. It might be the final push that many fence-sitters need to back this thing - it'd certainly increase spending by international backers, I'm sure.
All the same, I agree with you that it's not likely as the shipping rates have been pretty much set in stone. I don't even know if it's something that can be adjusted at this point in the kickstarter or if it would simply be applied as a credit towards optional stuff ( though I suppose it could be argued that this is already the case as it does count towards Herald of Death).
Regardless, Mr. Poots likely has nice surprises in store.
I know. I had hardlined myself at $301 (I'm a BF Survivor #3), but I'm finding that $336 seems to fit me so much better. I don't think I can possibly pass up the Lantern Festival, but I needs my resin CE Watcher.
Oh man, the King model is even more gorgeous than in the teaser! This expansion looks so awesome, seems I got what I was hoping for in terms of sweet content! As for the silk pin-up, I was going to get the Phoenix Dancer and Dragon Sacrifice (limiting myself to two pin-ups, since I'm getting every major expansion minus the Gorm), but now, I'll replace the Sacrifice with the Assassin.
Watcher pinup, perhaps. Otherwise, it's a Watcher armour set. I'd consider this to make sense, since it was never distinctly said that the Iron Armour was a Watcher armour set. Furthermore, with the Watcher being the final boss without the inclusion of the King, there'd be no reason to include Watcher armour in the first place. But now that we have something higher up than the Watcher...
Fafnir wrote: Watcher pinup, perhaps. Otherwise, it's a Watcher armour set. I'd consider this to make sense, since it was never distinctly said that the Iron Armour was a Watcher armour set. Furthermore, with the Watcher being the final boss without the inclusion of the King, there'd be no reason to include Watcher armour in the first place. But now that we have something higher up than the Watcher...
Adam commented: "Haha, no its not a Watcher Pinup, but you are right to think it's watcher related!"
arkhamjack wrote: If anyone has a Black Friday Survivor level they're going to let go, I'd love to coordinate with you to try to get my greedy hands on it!
Where are you at? I don't know what I'm pledging yet, but it's not going to be my BF 3 Survivor ($131)
As an American backer, I wouldn't mind a strech goal being conducive toward helping non-American backers with their shipping woes. It might be the final push that many fence-sitters need to back this thing - it'd certainly increase spending by international backers, I'm sure.
All the same, I agree with you that it's not likely as the shipping rates have been pretty much set in stone. I don't even know if it's something that can be adjusted at this point in the kickstarter or if it would simply be applied as a credit towards optional stuff ( though I suppose it could be argued that this is already the case as it does count towards Herald of Death).
Regardless, Mr. Poots likely has nice surprises in store.
For me the shipping rate is not such a big deal as I prefer a safe shipping (e.g. my Zombicide box suffered during the shipping).
I still hope he can arrange something about the declaration (or better a European base to send the stuff from). In Germany I have to pay 19% VAT to the declared amount. Thats why up to now, I ust support the project with a Black Friday survivor. I'll wait until Saturday or Sunday to see if something can be arranged. I would like to get most of the expansions and the pinups, but then I have to pay approx. 100$ extra for import taxes in addition to the shipping fee.
BrookM wrote: I've got a feeling we might be hitting the million today.
No kidding? Man, I haven't been following this one as closely because I've been trying (to no avail) to affect change elsewhere. The rate at which this KS is moving is, quite frankly, amazing! Sorta dispels the "holiday lull" rumour floating about .
I really dont know where I'm going to spend my money on this. Too many options.
I screwed up and didn't get a Black Friday special when it was being offered (they kept selling out) and took the regular Survivor level instead. Still, I think I'm getting more than fair value for my dollar at that price and won't be holding out to try to get a lower price. I also want to support Adam as much as possible.
Even at that, I see myself upping my pledge amount to around $330 - $380 easily. The only thing I'm concerned about is the lifecycle of the game and expansions/addons beyond what is offered in the kickstarter.
My guess is while KS backers will get all the expansions (that they pay for) in a lump Adam may well spread them out and treat them as individual releases for the game....
That will provide a solid pipeline of support for the game in the wider world which should be good for the long term player base....
(I may even restrain myself and not open the expansions all at once, and save some of the bigger ones that change your start up state like the Sunstalker and Dragon King for later games....... honest, LOL)
I'd hope that there is also opportunity to transition survivors (or maybe settlements) that thrive into the 'Heroic' game Adam has plans for later, sort of live running your new RPG campaign in the city state the characters from your old party ended up running
Yeah, I got one of the first Survivor BF deals and, quite frankly, I feel like that $20 savings is like I'm stealing. The amount that's going to be in that starter box alone is startling.
I've set my budget at 3 bills so I get the Herald of Death Stuff. I think, at this point, here's what I'm looking at getting:
Survivor BF - $129
Dung Beetle Knight - $25
Flower Knight - $15 (and this seems like I"m ripping him off at $15)
Dragon King - $30
Holiday Nico - $20
All the Pin Ups - $105
Puts me at $324 with 5 Game Expansions and over 70 minis. That just seems like a TON of game and really, really nice miniatures.
Dammit. Now that I'm looking at it, I could add Gorm and Spidey and Up my minis count to close to 100.
987k! Sweet fancy Moses, I hope we do hit the big one today! Anyone else feel like an addict for these updates, or is that just me?
Orlando: I may *try* to do the same thing. And while I haven't much faith in myself for actually waiting (I know I won't be able to wait to open the Flower Knight first, because that's one of my all-time favorite miniatures out of any line) so maybe if I limit myself to building my pin-ups and the Flower Knight first, then do the game box, it may be able to keep me busy enough to not attempt to build everything at once.
The Fragile Breath wrote: 987k! Sweet fancy Moses, I hope we do hit the big one today! Anyone else feel like an addict for these updates, or is that just me?
Orlando: I may *try* to do the same thing. And while I haven't much faith in myself for actually waiting (I know I won't be able to wait to open the Flower Knight first, because that's one of my all-time favorite miniatures out of any line) so maybe if I limit myself to building my pin-ups and the Flower Knight first, then do the game box, it may be able to keep me busy enough to not attempt to build everything at once.
I feel like an addict, waiting for my next fix with these updates. I'm really looking forward to the lore behind "The Lantern Festival" and The King!
An important point for people to consider with this campaign as compared to others is that it's been repeatedly confirmed that tere will be no post-campaign pledge manager. It's very important therefore to be sure that your pledge is exactly what you want it to be before the close on Monday.
@Buzzsaw: I think it is a clever ploy to make sure people over-pledge in case there are extra stretch goals being added in the last day or couple of hours. :p
grefven wrote: @Buzzsaw: I think it is a clever ploy to make sure people over-pledge in case there are extra stretch goals being added in the last day or couple of hours. :p
Hehe, perhaps, Adam is cunning...
I am wracked with indecision on my pledge, I am holding onto a Black Friday launch special Deluxe Survivor ($250), and I'm just not sure if the 6 resins are a better investment then other stuff (hehe, I'm also holding a BF Survivor, ).
Every time I think "Aw, I don't need those guys..." I look at this and say, "crap, maybe I do..."
Need to hurry up and work out my final pleage for this one, currently at surviour and only a few days left. Cant decide between more expansions or all of the pin-ups, more gameplay or more T&A, a very hard choice if I do say so.
Does anyone know if the Pin-ups are going to be available after the kickstarter? I know Nico isn't but what about the normal ones?
I think they will be, although at a higher price. I believe it was mentioned somewhere, you'll have to either look around or hope Poots can answer that one for you.
On a slightly off topic note, my Forsaker arrived (number 233 of 450), and he looks awesome. I can't wait to put him together.
One question for Poots though, my Twilight Knight (I'll post pictures some day, I promise!) came without a numbered certificate. is the TK not part of a numbered run? I figured that I originally lost it, but looking at the way my Forsaker's certificate was packaged, I know that this cannot be the case. I ordered them both from CMON, if that means anything.
Yeah, the scantily clad ladies are pretty close to retail, so if you need to wait on purchasing anything they're the ones to put off, imo (and to wait and see how the artwork translates to the sculpt).
RiTides wrote: Yeah, the scantily clad ladies are pretty close to retail, so if you need to wait on purchasing anything they're the ones to put off, imo (and to wait and see how the artwork translates to the sculpt).
I wouldn't trust anything from them to be purchaseable, after their initial release.
Almost anything from their webshop is and has been "sold out" for months. And likelyhood of reprint is uncertain.
Less than $1000 left to hit the magic million dollar mark. I expect the total to easily hit the 1.2 mil mark as pledges get adjusted upward (to buy expansions and such) on the last day or two.
RiTides wrote: Yeah, the scantily clad ladies are pretty close to retail, so if you need to wait on purchasing anything they're the ones to put off, imo (and to wait and see how the artwork translates to the sculpt).
I wouldn't trust anything from them to be purchaseable, after their initial release.
Almost anything from their webshop is and has been "sold out" for months. And likelyhood of reprint is uncertain.
That's their limited edition resins. Part of the whole point of this campaign is to make the models out of plastic and have them be more widely available! He has already said that the pin-ups will all be available later (with the exception of holiday Nico, I think).
cincydooley wrote: That may change my perspective on mine then. Trying to convince myself I like Carassco enough (and I do) to get past the penis tail. :-)
Or you could use some greenstuff and change it to a proper tail ending in a tuft of fur.
Thanks for all the help guys, I didn't notice the Pin-ups had a MSRP on them either, thats a sure-fire they will be released later. Since thats the case I'll aim for expansions for the main game, gonna cap myself at $400 for this one, which should get me the base game (survivor level) and bunch of expansions, mostly major ones.
Now that were've hit the 1mil mark and all of the planned expansions are done I'm very curious to see where the kickstarter will go from here, we still have 3 days left after all.
I can't remember from what he said earlier, but this is the final "expansion" that he said he would offer, right?
Yes, this is correct RT, it was mentioned on the christmas/sunstalker update.
Here you go:
I have only 2 more gameplay expansion planned! If there is more demand for gameplay content after that, I'll have to get very creative as the production pipeline is pretty much pack! Adding any more large content will make the nov 2013 date nearly impossible to hit and I will really have to be extra careful! I think some super small stuff can get squeezed in, but certainly no more major expansions!
I'm so happy that this $1mil expansion was hit with a respectable time before the campaign deadline. I had my doubts.
Personally, it gives me time to assess all the options and see how much I should increase my pledge. As of right now, I'm just base game plus some arbitrary amount.
cincydooley wrote: That may change my perspective on mine then. Trying to convince myself I like Carassco enough (and I do) to get past the penis tail. :-)
cincydooley wrote: That may change my perspective on mine then. Trying to convince myself I like Carassco enough (and I do) to get past the penis tail. :-)
Or you could use some greenstuff and change it to a proper tail ending in a tuft of fur.
FYI, someone (with a BGG posting privileges) might want to point out that while the armor kits are not "KS exclusive" per se, they will not be available for individual purchase afterwards. That is, right now you can buy 5 Dragon Armor kits (for example) for $50, once the KS is over, you will only be able to get those in the Dragon King Expansion.
The thing that is really ballooning my pledge is getting extras of the Silk and Dragon armor kits.
FYI, someone (with a BGG posting privileges) might want to point out that while the armor kits are not "KS exclusive" per se, they will not be available for individual purchase afterwards. That is, right now you can buy 5 Dragon Armor kits (for example) for $50, once the KS is over, you will only be able to get those in the Dragon King Expansion.
The thing that is really ballooning my pledge is getting extras of the Silk and Dragon armor kits.
Out of curiosity, what do you plan on doin with them?
Also, Adam, if you read this, I really need an updated wine list so I know which vintages ill be ordering ;-)
I'd imagine that the Lantern festival is something that would be very sexualized, probably involving fertility (judging from what we've seen so far, the society of your settlement in Monster seems to be quite tribal). Such a celebration would probably lead to an orgy of some sort at some point.
Either way, this expansion looks amazing, I'm already down for it, and I want to see what the next goal is already. It looks quite interesting.
Schmapdi wrote: Penis monsters left and right no problem, but a pair of exposed breasts on a statue/lamp thing gets a censor bar and an optional shirt!
I backed this Kickstarter early on, but there are a couple of issues that are tempting me to pull out, hopefully some of you who are more informed than me can help to allay my fears. Here are my issues:
1) IIRC It still hasn't been confirmed how the plastic models will be produced. There was talk about producing them in Ed's Trollcast which would be great, but I really wouldn't be interested in dropping $300-$500 if all the miniatures were cast in the same stuff used in the "experiment of death" figures. From what I have seen of them the quality simply wasn't good enough.
2) Quality control / casting issues; I've had problems when buying from the Kingdom Death store in the past which surprised me considering it was (and maybe still is) a 1-2 man operation. I purchased a first run collectors pinup Twilight Knight which came without a base or certificate. There was also a problem with the cast around the hood, like part of the mold had broken off in a previous casting. A pinup White Speaker that I purchased through ebay had a mold slip which pretty much ruined the model, I was 99%sure that it wasn't a recast.
I really like a lot of the miniatures and artwork (except for the rather ridiculous hands, or rubber gloves, which spoil certain miniatures a a tad), so I'm hoping that peopple can reassure me on the two issues above.
No one noticed the Kingdom Death x ??? On the next goal yet so it looks like it's another cross over miniature and that looks like a soda pop bottle in her hand could we be about to see Candy and Cola the Kingdom Death Version! We'll find out in $12k should be this evening
The lantern festival is such a great set and the great hunters such a surprise addition I think if all you had was $200 to back this the Survivor and lantern sets are the way to go - I wish was still at $200
500, or 600 for all the expansions and additional armor kits of fifty bucks each?
As much as the CMON turn off, (for me,) I'm really leaning tword this one for the deal it is. As long as they don't gak it up it is an amazing game system, and pretty new concept to me in a "Board" game that continues to grow the game board.
In the beginning, I was going to build a KD board from some styro and scrap... That game play video is really making me want to go back in and readdress this project.
I am not a number.....
Question- You put your guys together, they make some advances, and then they get ganked... What happens to the dead guys? do you just throw the models away, or recut the stuff apart and rebuild it, or what?
Basic survivors, then you get some add ons, is there a way to gather up extra equipment sprues, and mix and match armor kits?
As well as that- this is really looking to buid up into a RPG/ tabletop, and in some instances, I can easily see settlements coming across each other... what happens with the inevitable chaos of fighting another settlement? Do you gain the added settlement, just the territories, the survivors AND the settlements resources, or do you just rob rape and pillage the whole lot and add in another settlement, basicly building up a kingdom?
Question- You put your guys together, they make some advances, and then they get ganked... What happens to the dead guys? do you just throw the models away, or recut the stuff apart and rebuild it, or what?
The models are actually pioneering a new technology that has them automatically combust the moment they die in game.
But in all seriousness, the character models are completely interchangeable, but do not have any snap on attachments. You'll have to pin or magnetize them if you want the models to dynamically represent the equipment of their respective characters.
Basic survivors, then you get some add ons, is there a way to gather up extra equipment sprues, and mix and match armor kits?
As I noted above, all the armour kits are modular and completely interchangeable with one another, so you can mix and match to your heart's delight.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I backed this Kickstarter early on, but there are a couple of issues that are tempting me to pull out, hopefully some of you who are more informed than me can help to allay my fears. Here are my issues:
1) IIRC It still hasn't been confirmed how the plastic models will be produced. There was talk about producing them in Ed's Trollcast which would be great, but I really wouldn't be interested in dropping $300-$500 if all the miniatures were cast in the same stuff used in the "experiment of death" figures. From what I have seen of them the quality simply wasn't good enough.
2) Quality control / casting issues; I've had problems when buying from the Kingdom Death store in the past which surprised me considering it was (and maybe still is) a 1-2 man operation. I purchased a first run collectors pinup Twilight Knight which came without a base or certificate. There was also a problem with the cast around the hood, like part of the mold had broken off in a previous casting. A pinup White Speaker that I purchased through ebay had a mold slip which pretty much ruined the model, I was 99%sure that it wasn't a recast.
I really like a lot of the miniatures and artwork (except for the rather ridiculous hands, or rubber gloves, which spoil certain miniatures a a tad), so I'm hoping that peopple can reassure me on the two issues above.
1. Nothing has been confirmend about what plastic will be used, however the figures for the KS have been designed with plastic production in mind (so less ultra thin stuff like the twilight sowrd, and less ultra shalllow detail.. for example he's said no Illuminated Lady in plastic even though many people have asked for her as her textures would not translate),
Adam has gone on record that the Experiment of Death was that, ie an experiment, and the quality for these releases should be better. (he may even end up going for a hybrid set up with a different plastic for fine stuff that might not cast properly otherwise if needed)...
Ed at Trollforged has certainly done some test casts (which we've seen) to show Adam what his material could do and it would be my personal preference too, but nothing is signed yet (with all the other work Trollforged has committed to Adam would have to be sure Ed could complete everything on time, and neither can be sure until the numbers are solidified after the post KS survey)
2. I've never personally had QC issues with a KD mini (not to say they don't happen, just that i've not seen any)
but if you purchaced via the KD web store I'd have got back to Adam to ask for a refund/replaceent/spare part (although i guess he might not be able to re-issue a certificate if he couldn't track what number you should have got)
If it was via CMON (or another partner) or ebay I'd have done the same although you'd probably have to settle for a refund there based on how fast stuff sells out
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I backed this Kickstarter early on, but there are a couple of issues that are tempting me to pull out, hopefully some of you who are more informed than me can help to allay my fears. Here are my issues:
1) IIRC It still hasn't been confirmed how the plastic models will be produced. There was talk about producing them in Ed's Trollcast which would be great, but I really wouldn't be interested in dropping $300-$500 if all the miniatures were cast in the same stuff used in the "experiment of death" figures. From what I have seen of them the quality simply wasn't good enough.
2) Quality control / casting issues; I've had problems when buying from the Kingdom Death store in the past which surprised me considering it was (and maybe still is) a 1-2 man operation. I purchased a first run collectors pinup Twilight Knight which came without a base or certificate. There was also a problem with the cast around the hood, like part of the mold had broken off in a previous casting. A pinup White Speaker that I purchased through ebay had a mold slip which pretty much ruined the model, I was 99%sure that it wasn't a recast.
I really like a lot of the miniatures and artwork (except for the rather ridiculous hands, or rubber gloves, which spoil certain miniatures a a tad), so I'm hoping that peopple can reassure me on the two issues above.
1. Nothing has been confirmend about what plastic will be used, however the figures for the KS have been designed with plastic production in mind (so less ultra thin stuff like the twilight sowrd, and less ultra shalllow detail),
Adam has gone on record that the Experiment of Death was that, ie an experiment, and the quality for these releases should be better. (he may even end up going for a hybrid set up with a different plastic for fine stuff that might not cast properly otherwise if needed)
2. I've never personally had QC issues with a KD mini (not to say they don't happen, just that i've not seen any)
but if you purchaced via the KD web store I'd have got back to Adam to ask for a refund/replaceent/spare part (although i guess he might not be able to re-issue a certificate if he couldn't track what number you should have got)
If it was via CMON (or another partner) or ebay I'd have done the same although you'd probably have to settle for a refund there based on how fast stuff sells out
I'll add my thoughts about this.
1.) I agree that I wouldnt put in a lot of $$ into this if the plastics were the same as in the Experiment of Death. But, as stated, nothing has yet been finalized. I hope, and I believe, that it will be Trollcast that will get the honour. What have I got to back that up? Nothing apart from that I know that Adam and Ed has been discussing this for several months PRIOR of this KS started. We also know that Ed already has supplied test casts for complicated KD miniatures. So I believe this will be the end result.
2.) I agree with Orlando here. I own just about all of the KD miniatures (and several doubles). The only issue I've ever had with any of these is that a single foot from the Forsaker pin-up had a miscast. Other than this, everything else has been top notch. You've must have been extremely unlucky. However, I also agree that QC can become an issue with THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of miniatures when you are 1 or 2 that will have to controll them and then package everything, etc. This will be no easy task.
Grot 6 wrote: As well as that- this is really looking to buid up into a RPG/ tabletop, and in some instances, I can easily see settlements coming across each other... what happens with the inevitable chaos of fighting another settlement? Do you gain the added settlement, just the territories, the survivors AND the settlements resources, or do you just rob rape and pillage the whole lot and add in another settlement, basicly building up a kingdom?
No rules for this as yet,
(I've seen several folk ask/speculate about it so I anticipate some fan made options appearing for example of Boardgame Geek
but Adam has said he is also planning a future game featuring the more 'heroic' characters from the Kingdom Death catalogue like the Twilight Knights, Achivists, White speakers etc si it might not be impossible for some of this to be addressed in that. There is one 'big' human 'civilization' in Kingdom Death where characters like the Great Game Hunters come from which might fit too
Question- You put your guys together, they make some advances, and then they get ganked... What happens to the dead guys? do you just throw the models away, or recut the stuff apart and rebuild it, or what?
The models are actually pioneering a new technology that has them automatically combust the moment they die in game.
But in all seriousness, the character models are completely interchangeable, but do not have any snap on attachments. You'll have to pin or magnetize them if you want the models to dynamically represent the equipment of their respective characters.
Basic survivors, then you get some add ons, is there a way to gather up extra equipment sprues, and mix and match armor kits?
As I noted above, all the armour kits are modular and completely interchangeable with one another, so you can mix and match to your heart's delight.
I think that the best way to use these armour kits is either 1.) magnetize them all so you can change (this will require a lot of patience and skills to do), - a true WYSIWYG or 2.) glue one armour kit on that you like the look of and use it to represent. I will go down the #2 route at least. Create a few awesome looking miniatures, since your cards will tell you anyway what armour etc. you have.
I hope so too. Helping KD go beyond $1M would probably have included a freebie if Adam hadn't decided to include more into the major game expansion pack instead.
More like building up a few of the basic guyds, use the added cards till you decide what you want, THEN worry about the upgrades.
Much in the same way as a Necromunda gang or Mordhiem Warband. I will probibly be adding the additionals in at a later date, and hopeing they continue to sell the sets in the future.
Added sprues of armor kitds might also be in order here, as well.
Finally got a chance to watch the second video and I'm hooked now, some very interesting mechanics on display here. Also super glad that the hunters are in the final expansion, what can I say? Love my guns!
I am workblocked from BBG - can some kind soul summarize what's in that post?
It will help me plan my KD budget, as I think I'm going to have to wait on some (or all!) of the pin-ups.
Thanks!
Question:
Meaning lets say i opt in to the K.S. just for the basic game. Will i be able to purchase the expansions and additional miniatures, and if yes, where? Just through the webstore or will these be in brick and mortar stores? Thank you in advance.
Answer:
Yes, everything will be available at the kingdom death webstore. Nothing from the kickstarter will be available until backers get their rewards AND anything labeled as a kickstarter exclusive will not be available in any other way.
Only Adam and Anna are kickstarter exclusives. Everything else will be available in some form at a later date.
The holiday special Nico might be hard to get later, but I suspect it will pop up for the holidays maybe next year again. It isn't KS specific, though.
"(Yes, everything will be available at the kingdom death webstore. Nothing from the kickstarter will be available until backers get their rewards AND anything labeled as a kickstarter exclusive will not be available in any other way."
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here... but the Lantern Festival package is like, a ridiculous deal, right? 3 Human Sized minis. 2 Large Monster Sized minis. All the cards. Even at the MSRP of $65 it seems like a bargain. But at $45?
WHAAAAAAT?
Seriously, this last update has me going a little insane on this Friday morning.
The other thing that looks to be KS exclusive is the Multi-pack armour kits
1 for $25 (4 minis) or 5 for $50 (20 minis) (not all kits are available this way, you'll need to check if the one(s) you might want are
Adam has said they only make sense from his point of view as part of the KS, not as a steady prescence in the shop (though that may change if there is enough post KS demand)
so after the KS the only way to get them would be another game or expansion box
so if you need a regiment of very tall fantasy warriors (35mm figures remember) grab them now
cincydooley wrote: Someone correct me if I'm wrong here... but the Lantern Festival package is like, a ridiculous deal, right? 3 Human Sized minis. 2 Large Monster Sized minis. All the cards. Even at the MSRP of $65 it seems like a bargain. But at $45?
WHAAAAAAT?
Seriously, this last update has me going a little insane on this Friday morning.
Oh yes, it's the best deal of the lot IMO
(but it doesn't come with the 4 armour kit minis of the previous big expansions, but presumably that's because you can only get a single cloak from a defeated watcher)
LOL, this things going to hit 2 million by the end of the day there.
As to the project, it is really interesting in concept and game. Too bad they have to add in the additional gimmick of soda pops stuff. Not enough publicity, I guess.
I'd like to see her getting chewed up by one of those monsters, then that bottle of coke there to wash her down with. Only reason I'd get that model would be to chop up the bits and add them to the bases. Maybe give her to the spiderman for some cheap thrills and spills.
Aside from my misgivings of CMON being involved, I'm back in for the game and the added stuff. I have a local game area thats going to gak themselves over this one. I had to redgumicate a few of them on the KS projects. They didn't even know anything about kickstarter if you can believe that.
Grot 6 wrote: LOL, this things going to hit 2 million by the end of the day there.
As to the project, it is really interesting in concept and game. Too bad they have to add in the additional gimmick of soda pops stuff. Not enough publicity, I guess.
I'd like to see her getting chewed up by one of those monsters, then that bottle of coke there to wash her down with. Only reason I'd get that model would be to chop up the bits and add them to the bases. Maybe give her to the spiderman for some cheap thrills and spills.
Aside from my misgivings of CMON being involved, I'm back in for the game and the added stuff. I have a local game area thats going to gak themselves over this one. I had to redgumicate a few of them on the KS projects. They didn't even know anything about kickstarter if you can believe that.
Yeah, if that is in fact a Candy/Cola mini, it's a weird add, as it's directly associated with Soda Pop MIniatures and not CMON (which, while partnered, are definitely different companies).
However, perhaps that would indicate that they're looking at some similar plastic tooling to the Sedition Wars/Relic Knights games, which, based on what I've seen, could be a very good thing.
So I'm just going to throw this out there and encourage you all to help: Lets get Battlefoam in at ground level and have them work with poots so all the base game items will fit in the box. As much as I love my dreadfleet foam, it drives me a little crazy that the box nearly doubles in height.
So who's with me for battlefoam inserts for this gorgeous, gorgeous game?
Sorry, but I'll pass. I'd much rather see stretch goals for more KD items (pinups or game expansions) rather than other things, because those I can get anyway if I want. But to have Adam commission another few miniatures that he will have produced during this year will not be possible for me to get from somehwere else.
He may well enjoy playing Soda Pop games and/or collecting the minis
or he may even know/be friends with some of the soda pop crew
If so a Candy pinup would be complelty apropriate (if it is a Candy, he's surprised me before, LOL)
Cadace's Email has some variation of Flesh Tuxedo in it...so I wouldn't doubt they're friends
I think it would be an interesting little homage, and I have no problem with the "boutique" miniature shops having a collective/brotherhood.
"Cadace's email"?
One of the things I have enjoyed about this campaign and Adam's running of KD itself has been his openness about not operating in a vacuum. But such things are like director cameos: what some people enjoy, other people find cheesy or ego-driven, even as others find them charming and self-deprecating.
cincydooley wrote: With that in mind, Poots....I expect to see you at GenCon 2013 with Marie-Claude dressed as Nico......
Well, there is only one appropriate response to that...
John Cadace is one of the owners/founders of Soda Pop. I remember the first time we exchanged emails being surprised by his email name of FleshyTuxedoMan or something along those lines. Pretty funny.
I think CMON is becoming a really great vehicle for getting all of these art driven boutique minis guys together. Between Sedition Wars, Relic Knights, Kingdom Death and the upcoming Wrath of Kings and Confrontation Phoenix, we have a lot of beautiful, small publisher minis on the horizon.
Coincidentally with all that in mind, I've barely looked at all the new Dark Angels stuff.....
John Cadace is one of the owners/founders of Soda Pop. I remember the first time we exchanged emails being surprised by his email name of FleshyTuxedoMan or something along those lines. Pretty funny.
I think CMON is becoming a really great vehicle for getting all of these art driven boutique minis guys together. Between Sedition Wars, Relic Knights, Kingdom Death and the upcoming Wrath of Kings and Confrontation Phoenix, we have a lot of beautiful, small publisher minis on the horizon.
Coincidentally with all that in mind, I've barely looked at all the new Dark Angels stuff.....
Ah, thanks, didn't know that!
Not to minimize C'MoN, but I would put a primacy more on the virtue of kickstarter itself, if for no other reason then one venture I think may, 2-5 years from now, be the most consequential is the Dreamforge Games and their campaign. Especially given the credit crunch in the US, the ability of fledgling companies to bypass the traditional gatekeepers of finance and draw directly from their customers is simply transformative.
Your mention of the Dark Angels stuff is a case in point: previously, if you wanted plastic miniatures, your choices were so restricted... but that's all changing. DFG will soon have... uh, 5-8(?) very impressive plastic infantry kits on the market. Now, they will start with a particular look (all being from one faction), but can we doubt to see more from him (I know that, unless the kits I'm waiting for fall far short of their pictures, I'll be going in on the Shadowkesh campaign, presuming there is one). But why should he be alone?
There is a huge hunger out there for things other then the aesthetic/style of GW, but we are approaching the point where small makers like Poots or Mondragon or Cadace are able to turn the unmet desire of the consumers into start-up capitol. It's an exciting time for this industry and the consumer!
Still Standing you'll get a survey to fill out after the KS ends for now just select Survivor $155 as your pledge level and enter the total of all of the above as the amount pledged that's all you have to do for now.
Still Standing wrote: I have a question for you guys about my pledge. I wish to pledge for the following stuff:
Survivor Pledge $155
International Postage $45
Dung Beetle Knight Expansion $25
Flower Knight Expansion $15
Dragon King Expansion $30
Gorm Expansion $40
Lantern Festival Expansion $35
Rawhide Dame $15
Pheonix Dancer $15
Lioness $15
Dragon Sacrifice $15
Leather Queen $15
Regeneration Suit $15
Holiday White Speaker Nico $20
50x Face Base Inserts $40
I adjusted my pledge on the website, but nowhere does it ask for the stuff I want. Any idea where / how I tell it what I actually want?
Many thanks!
You pledge for the "level" of game you want (Survivor). Then you total up the extra add-ons you want and manually add that much to the pledge.
If you want the Survivor Level ($155) and the Gorm Expansion ($40), you select the Survivor level in the radio buttons area of your pledge, and manually enter $195.00 ($155+$40) in the top.
After the campaign is over, you'll get an e-mail asking you how exactly you wish to allocate the extra money you have in your pledge.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Gorm Expansion comes with a Regeneration Suit included.
After watching the second video - I'm a little worried about the logistics of keeping the shear number of cards straight.
Think about it - if you have the game, plus a few of the expansions. You'll easily have 500+ cards. Then you'll have keep them straight. Like one campaign you play with the Sunstalker, so you'll have to mix all his cards in the appropiate piles - then the next you play with the dragon king - so you'll have to sift out the SS cards, and add the dragon cards, etc.
Sweet goodness, the Lantern Festival kicks even more ass than I had expected, and I expected it to kick ass and take names like it's got nothing to lose! Being as I even asked Adam about the chance of the female Great Game Hunter appearing, this makes me very, very happy.
Currently, the list of goodies for my girlfriend and I will be looking like this:
Survivor, Flower Knight, Dragon King, Spidicules, Sunstalker, Lantern Festival, Phoenix Dancer, Spider Silk Assassin, Primal Huntress (for my buddy), and Regeneration Suit (for my girlfriend). A lot of money, but man, is that going to be worth it.
On the topic of my pledge, I hit the "manage pledge" button this morning, and upped it to $390 (I believe that's the price I'm at) and hit confirm, though now when I press "manage pledge", it still says I've pledged 155. Does anyone know why this might be? I want to be sure I get my extra stuff!
And as far as a Sodapop crossover goes, not my cup of tea, but I can see why some would be excited about it.
I know Adam said you can loot dead bodies after a monster is slain, but do you think if, out of a group of four, my character gets slaughtered while wearing a full set of armor, do you think my buddies can take it all and bring it back to the settlement? Even though I just now thought about how it's kind of rude to just leave your freshly dead friend naked on the ground while you make off with their stuff.
Schmapdi wrote: After watching the second video - I'm a little worried about the logistics of keeping the shear number of cards straight.
Think about it - if you have the game, plus a few of the expansions. You'll easily have 500+ cards. Then you'll have keep them straight. Like one campaign you play with the Sunstalker, so you'll have to mix all his cards in the appropiate piles - then the next you play with the dragon king - so you'll have to sift out the SS cards, and add the dragon cards, etc.
I'm getting worried about storing them all too.
It's funny. As tabletop wargamers these are the things we worry about, whereas all the boardgame people are worried about the minis. The level of cards here is large ish, but I promise some of the larger games in the board game world by FFG make the number of cards in Monster pale by comparison. I've seen people use those brocure holders from rest stops to organize all of their Arkham Horror cards. I think the cool thing is that in the 2nd video Adam says how modular the game is, and I think that's a great move. That way, if you don't "need" everything visible, it doesn't have to be. No reason you can't simply stack all of your settlement boards and then simply flip to the one you need to reference when the time comes.
Oh man. Idea. What if someone developed a settlement app? Sweet mother of god...
I'm more interested in how big this box of wonderful is going to be.
He may well enjoy playing Soda Pop games and/or collecting the minis
or he may even know/be friends with some of the soda pop crew
If so a Candy pinup would be complelty apropriate (if it is a Candy, he's surprised me before, LOL)
Could be that the King Expansion was all Adam had planned for. We are now seeing fluff and last minute ideas being tossed out. Expect to see a couple more of these random ones.
cincydooley wrote: It's funny. As tabletop wargamers these are the things we worry about, whereas all the boardgame people are worried about the minis. The level of cards here is large ish, but I promise some of the larger games in the board game world by FFG make the number of cards in Monster pale by comparison. I've seen people use those brocure holders from rest stops to organize all of their Arkham Horror cards.
Yeah, but I kind of hated Arkham Horror, largely because of the setup time (also because the scenario we played was impossible to win and the loss condition was random...)
I'm actually a bit worried about KD being that style of board game, as I haven't had a ton of fun with super-complex board games (Dominion is about the most complexity I've liked in a board game).
It's interesting that it seems to be more of a light RPG than a board game, but I'm feeling more conservative about how much I'll go in for...
cincydooley wrote: It's funny. As tabletop wargamers these are the things we worry about, whereas all the boardgame people are worried about the minis. The level of cards here is large ish, but I promise some of the larger games in the board game world by FFG make the number of cards in Monster pale by comparison. I've seen people use those brocure holders from rest stops to organize all of their Arkham Horror cards.
Yeah, but I kind of hated Arkham Horror, largely because of the setup time (also because the scenario we played was impossible to win and the loss condition was random...)
I'm actually a bit worried about KD being that style of board game, as I haven't had a ton of fun with super-complex board games (Dominion is about the most complexity I've liked in a board game).
It's interesting that it seems to be more of a light RPG than a board game, but I'm feeling more conservative about how much I'll go in for...
Oh, I'm right with you. There's a reason I have Elder Sign on my iPad and not the Arkham Horror suite .
With that being said, I think the # of cards here SHOULD be manageable. it should really only be 3-5 decks today, which isn't terrible and is easy to manage. You know what would help? Kingdom Death deck boxes. And Card sleeves.
Jesus... this game is going to cost me some serious cheddar.
The Fragile Breath wrote: Sweet goodness, the Lantern Festival kicks even more ass than I had expected, and I expected it to kick ass and take names like it's got nothing to lose! Being as I even asked Adam about the chance of the female Great Game Hunter appearing, this makes me very, very happy.
Currently, the list of goodies for my girlfriend and I will be looking like this:
Survivor, Flower Knight, Dragon King, Spidicules, Sunstalker, Lantern Festival, Phoenix Dancer, Spider Silk Assassin, Primal Huntress (for my buddy), and Regeneration Suit (for my girlfriend). A lot of money, but man, is that going to be worth it.
On the topic of my pledge, I hit the "manage pledge" button this morning, and upped it to $390 (I believe that's the price I'm at) and hit confirm, though now when I press "manage pledge", it still says I've pledged 155. Does anyone know why this might be? I want to be sure I get my extra stuff!
And as far as a Sodapop crossover goes, not my cup of tea, but I can see why some would be excited about it.
I know Adam said you can loot dead bodies after a monster is slain, but do you think if, out of a group of four, my character gets slaughtered while wearing a full set of armor, do you think my buddies can take it all and bring it back to the settlement? Even though I just now thought about how it's kind of rude to just leave your freshly dead friend naked on the ground while you make off with their stuff.
First off just to be safe I'd redo my pledge (click manage, put in the correct amount/level, and complete via Amazon), it's probably a KS glitch and it's not worth risking leaving it alone just in case..... You can't end up getting charged twice as every new pledge on your cc removes the authorization for the previous one
second It looks from the skull face masks in the Latern Festival picture as if they might not only loot your gear but maybe ake your head home for a decoration as well
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The excellent 'Death Toll' visual pledge calculator put together by Jamie has had to move web address as we 'ate up' all his free bandwidth stunningly fast. I belive it's now being hosted by another backer (sorry I can't give them credit but I missed that bit of the comments stream)
Okay Dakkafriends, I need you to help me make a decision. Hypothetically, I have around $340 set aside for this KS. I have around $100 left beyond what I'm definitely buying with the following monsters remainging:
Gorm
Spidercules
Lion God
ANd all the pin ups minus Holiday Nico.
So, please, just tell me what I should get. I'm having the hardest time deciding.
cincydooley wrote: Okay Dakkafriends, I need you to help me make a decision. Hypothetically, I have around $340 set aside for this KS. I have around $100 left beyond what I'm definitely buying with the following monsters remainging:
Gorm
Spidercules
Lion God
ANd all the pin ups minus Holiday Nico.
So, please, just tell me what I should get. I'm having the hardest time deciding.
I'd suggest that you go for the Game expansions. The pinups, while the plastics is on a discount, it isn't as big as the ones with the gameplay. The resin pinups, aren't discounted at all. That's how I reason at least.
cincydooley wrote: Okay Dakkafriends, I need you to help me make a decision. Hypothetically, I have around $340 set aside for this KS. I have around $100 left beyond what I'm definitely buying with the following monsters remaining:
Gorm
Spidercules
Lion God
And all the pinups minus Holiday Nico.
So, please, just tell me what I should get. I'm having the hardest time deciding.
Get:
•Spidicules
Edit: Just noticed I'd misunderstood something.
Anyway, Spidicules is a must. Not a fan of Gorm (even as a major expansion) or Lion God.
The Gorm (40) comes with a Free Regeneration suit pinup so that would be my value bet. Game play expansion : 1 big fig, 5 small ones
Spidercules (40) is very cool looking. Game play expansion : 1 big fig, 4 small ones
then i'd look at the pinups (15) and the Lion God (25) and decide what figure I liked best and either save 5 and go for may favorite pinup or spend an extra 5 and get the gameplay Lion God
cincydooley wrote: Okay Dakkafriends, I need you to help me make a decision. Hypothetically, I have around $340 set aside for this KS. I have around $100 left beyond what I'm definitely buying with the following monsters remainging:
Gorm
Spidercules
Lion God
ANd all the pin ups minus Holiday Nico.
So, please, just tell me what I should get. I'm having the hardest time deciding.
I don't understand, are you saying you have to choose between those 3 monsters? in that case go for Spidcules. It's a Major Expansion, and one of the best looking monsters for sure.
cincydooley wrote: Okay Dakkafriends, I need you to help me make a decision. Hypothetically, I have around $340 set aside for this KS. I have around $100 left beyond what I'm definitely buying with the following monsters remainging:
Gorm
Spidercules
Lion God
ANd all the pin ups minus Holiday Nico.
So, please, just tell me what I should get. I'm having the hardest time deciding.
I don't understand, are you saying you have to choose between those 3 monsters? in that case go for Spidcules. It's a Major Expansion, and one of the best looking monsters for sure.
He's saying he's got everything else and now he's choosing how to spend his remaining $100. Those expansions are the only ones he hasn't decided on yet. Also, the pinups.
cincydooley wrote: Okay Dakkafriends, I need you to help me make a decision. Hypothetically, I have around $340 set aside for this KS. I have around $100 left beyond what I'm definitely buying with the following monsters remainging:
Gorm
Spidercules
Lion God
ANd all the pin ups minus Holiday Nico.
So, please, just tell me what I should get. I'm having the hardest time deciding.
I don't understand, are you saying you have to choose between those 3 monsters? in that case go for Spidcules. It's a Major Expansion, and one of the best looking monsters for sure.
He's saying he's got everything else and now he's choosing how to spend his remaining $100. Those expansions are the only ones he hasn't decided on yet. Also, the pinups.
This. I'm just terrible at making decisions like this. I just want someone to tell me why I should pick one over the other here
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was leaning towards the Spider.
For some reason, when I look at Gorm, I can't help but think he's one of the hybrid toys the villain kid in the 1st Toy Story movie puts together and then destroys with fire crackers.
I know Adam said you can loot dead bodies after a monster is slain, but do you think if, out of a group of four, my character gets slaughtered while wearing a full set of armor, do you think my buddies can take it all and bring it back to the settlement? Even though I just now thought about how it's kind of rude to just leave your freshly dead friend naked on the ground while you make off with their stuff.
From the man himself.
90% of the stats / abilities come from gear which can be taken from fallen survivors and passed thru generations. Having a clean slate survivor is often great, because he won't be missing any limbs or have any disorders!
I'm having second thoughts about my Black Friday Deluxe Survivor (250)--anyone interested in working something out who has one of the Black Friday (regular) Survivor deals?
Personally, the one thing that isn't an expansion that I'm getting is a resin collector's Watcher. I figure if I get it from the KS, I don't have to worry about never being able to get one for this cheap again.
My pledge has defiantly changed from where I first thought it would go, I am now looking at the Survivor level w/ Spidicules, Dragon King, The King for a total of 215.00. Money got tight on me but these expansion imho add the most to the game. As much as I wanted the Deluxe Survivor I am having a difficult time justifying the cost for a shirt I am prob to fat to wear and two survivors I would prob not use and a bunch of spare models that will most likely also not be used.
At least all that is the way me justifying how broke I am and still supporting the game. Wish this did not run over X-Mas.
Just pledged to the kick starter. I've been watching this game from pretty early on and have been so pumped. I just waited for all the expansions to drop to choose which I wanted... I ended up getting them all.
$420.00
Deluxe Survivor plus all expansions. November 2013 can't come soon enough.
mechanicalhorizon wrote: I apologize if my question has been answered already, but will the resin versions of the pinups be available outside of the Kickstarter?
So from the video, we learn that you can injure your arms from rocking out too hard, and that lion gonads are very useful for.....something.
spiralingcadaver wrote: I'm actually a bit worried about KD being that style of board game, as I haven't had a ton of fun with super-complex board games (Dominion is about the most complexity I've liked in a board game).
It's interesting that it seems to be more of a light RPG than a board game, but I'm feeling more conservative about how much I'll go in for...
This is the main reason I'm probably not buying the game itself (just the artbook and a bunch of single minis / accessories). It looks awesome, but the level of detail is a bit much for me--a total runtime of about 15-20 hours? It sounds less like a traditional board game, more like a kind of semi-RPG. That said, I get the feeling observing / reading about other people's campaigns is going to be awesome and hilarious. Kind of like Dwarf Fortress, which this strongly reminds me of, actually.
One thing I wonder about is, just how available are the miniatures going to be after the KS finishes? I'm specifically thinking of the Great Game Hunter, which was formerly a limited edition.
Elemental wrote: One thing I wonder about is, just how available are the miniatures going to be after the KS finishes? I'm specifically thinking of the Great Game Hunter, which was formerly a limited edition.
This question has been asked a lot. Anyway, the only miniatures that will NOT be available after the KS ends are "Adam and Anna" (I am not counting the kits or base inserts here). Everything else will be available after the KS. "Holiday Nico" will be available in a restricted fashion, possibly at conventions and/or for holidays. It might be harder to get hold off than the others. Also, don't expect the other miniatures to be available 24/7. Adam has mentioned that he most likely will continue the small scale. So expect small and limited re-stocks of his items. Furthermore, none of the KS produced items will be available for general until after game/content has been delivered to the backers. So expect getting some maybe around Christmas 2013, or possibly even later depending on production delays.
Adam has also mentioned that during this full year that will pass, there might be a few limited releases for items that are not linked to this KS.
Sasori wrote: at 395, I nabbed every gameplay expansion, except the Lion God (Because I really didn't like it).
I did the same except that I left out Gorm and took the Lion God. To each their own, I guess.
Anyway, has anyone checked to see if there are any Armor Suits that are "missing" if you buy all the expansions? I ask because it seemed like some expansions didn't include them, some were put as "freebees" to Survivor level, and some were included in the expansions. I'm a little concerned that I might miss out on a set of armor somehow. Also, is the Gorm armor available separately at all?
One last thing, if I want stone face inserts for all my figs, am I looking at dropping $100 or what?
cincydooley wrote: For some reason, when I look at Gorm, I can't help but think he's one of the hybrid toys the villain kid in the 1st Toy Story movie puts together and then destroys with fire crackers.
That's been one of the things I don't like about the Gorm since I first saw it. It reminds me of Sid.
The Gorm model can always be altered or replaced. So if that's a big detractant to getting the expansion, it's not without remedy. The game content is a good value when factoring in the kickstarter discount compared to retail price. I'd say you have to ask if you're more interested in the miniatures or the game. If it's the game, then go for the expansions first and worry about the pinups later. If you care about miniatures more than game content, grab whatever the heck you think looks coolest and are most excited about.
Many people have talked about forgoing the pinups until later. Usually dismissing them and other miniatures as superfluous to this campaign and sidelining or ignoring the difficulty associated with procuring Kingdom Death products. This, of course, does not even factor the extra cost of the models at full retail price, sales tax, and shipping costs - though they vary depending on location. These same added costs will exist for the KD: Monster game expansions as well, but it's something rarely brought up.
We also run into the issue, as most will point out, of availability. Scarcity and perpetually out-of-stock online shops will still be the name of the game post-launch. We don't even know when Launch will be either. We do know that the target date for pledge fulfillment on kickstarter orders is November 2013 but I'm expecting it to run late - and it's not a criticism, merely an expectation of unexpected delays - into December 2013 or Q1 2014. Once the backers are taken care of, then Adam can focus on production for retail release.
All of this is just meant to say that there are many fine offerings in the Kingdom Death: Monster Kickstarter which don't directly contribute to gameplay. And if you or anyone else is so inclined, they should not feel restricted to only purchasing 'content'. Ultimately everyone has a Limit that they absolutely will not or cannot cross - even setting my 'limit' at $300 hasn't stopped me from exceeding it.
While I like the game ideas I can't get another board game. That said I pledged for the King expansion, the Dragon expansion, and a Watcher. I plan on turning them into some insanely cool 40k minis and giving my friend (who is getting the game) the extras I don't use.
Sasori wrote: at 395, I nabbed every gameplay expansion, except the Lion God (Because I really didn't like it).
I did the same except that I left out Gorm and took the Lion God. To each their own, I guess.
Anyway, has anyone checked to see if there are any Armor Suits that are "missing" if you buy all the expansions? I ask because it seemed like some expansions didn't include them, some were put as "freebees" to Survivor level, and some were included in the expansions. I'm a little concerned that I might miss out on a set of armor somehow. Also, is the Gorm armor available separately at all?
One last thing, if I want stone face inserts for all my figs, am I looking at dropping $100 or what?
If you get every expansion, you'll have every armor kit. The survivor level only gets some duplicate sets of armor kits. Stuff already included in the game box.
And another Candy and Cola to add to my collection given this is a KS exclusive I'll get it now I was going to wait and get the pin ups later to save some money
The next pin up looks like a tribute to Link from the Legend of Zelda
DaveC wrote: And another Candy and Cola to add to my collection given this is a KS exclusive I'll get it now I was going to wait and get the pin ups later to save some money
The next pin up looks like a tribute to Link from the Legend if Zelda
I am super excited of that being a possibility, Dave. Like, really excited.
Alpharius wrote: I wish there was a Dung Beetle Knight armor set!
This. Where's my Sophia Drake?!
Wait a sec. Wrong kickstarter.
Haha. Too funny. I actually like candy and cola and, I won't lie, I enjoy that she's making an appearance in other games. I like this fun collaboration between companies, and if that means that I'd maybe see a white speaker chibi for SDE I might just lose it.
Some of the minis are pretty nice but this obviously is appealing to the young male demographic which turns me off a little bit with the whole pin up series but I can skip buying those.
How long does the game take to play and is it stand alone?
The expansions really bring up the price significantly but the dragon looks pretty nice along with the king. If someone could please provide me a review of the game I would greatly appreciate it.
I was thinking of getting this to play at my board game group which is a mix of men and women. Super Dungeon Explore and Zombicide were both big hits with my board game group. I also ordered Sedition Wars.
How fast is the assembly on these? Is there a lot of flash or issues with assembly? Still need to finish painting Super Dungeon Explore and the Zombicide Abomination pack.
Has there been any word on the final t-shirt design? I remember saying it wasn't ready yet near the beginning of the kickstarter, and it's been very quiet on that front since then.
Some of the minis are pretty nice but this obviously is appealing to the young male demographic which turns me off a little bit with the whole pin up series but I can skip buying those.
How long does the game take to play and is it stand alone?
The expansions really bring up the price significantly but the dragon looks pretty nice along with the king. If someone could please provide me a review of the game I would greatly appreciate it.
I was thinking of getting this to play at my board game group which is a mix of men and women. Super Dungeon Explore and Zombicide were both big hits with my board game group. I also ordered Sedition Wars.
How fast is the assembly on these? Is there a lot of flash or issues with assembly? Still need to finish painting Super Dungeon Explore and the Zombicide Abomination pack.
Here's a link to what we've managed to put together about the gameplay, it's not out yet so there are no reviews
Adam estimates that the base game will provide 10-20 sessions of 60-90 minutes play
Adding the different gameplay extras will add variety but proably not extend the gameplay time (but they will add replay value)
If you watch the video below you'll see Adam assembling one of the minis (it will have been cleaned). In terms of flash nobody has seen any of these KS plastics as they arn't yet made, but his resins are very clean
Some of the of the KD mini incorporate body/sexual horror (stray breasts and penises galore) so if your group might take offense beware
Some of the minis are pretty nice but this obviously is appealing to the young male demographic which turns me off a little bit with the whole pin up series but I can skip buying those.
How long does the game take to play and is it stand alone?
The expansions really bring up the price significantly but the dragon looks pretty nice along with the king. If someone could please provide me a review of the game I would greatly appreciate it.
I was thinking of getting this to play at my board game group which is a mix of men and women. Super Dungeon Explore and Zombicide were both big hits with my board game group. I also ordered Sedition Wars.
How fast is the assembly on these? Is there a lot of flash or issues with assembly? Still need to finish painting Super Dungeon Explore and the Zombicide Abomination pack.
Here's a link to what we've managed to put together about the gameplay, it's not out yet so there are no reviews
Adam estimates that the base game will provide 10-20 sessions of 60-90 minutes play
Adding the different gameplay extras will add variety but proably not extend the gameplay time (but they will add replay value)
If you watch the video below you'll see Adam assembling one of the minis (it will have been cleaned). In terms of flash nobody has seen any of these KS plastics as they arn't yet made, but his resins are very clean
Some of the of the KD mini incorporate body/sexual horror (stray breasts and penises galore) so if your group might take offense beware
hope this helps
Thank you. Reading up on that now. It seems interesting. Seems like there different scenarios you can play in under 2 hours like Zombicide or Super Dungeon Explore so that might be a good fit.
As a woman I am turned off by some of the models they were blatant sells to a young male demographic. Some of the other ones are really nice and I would like to paint. So definitely a mixed bag here.
I thought this was out already as I saw some of the minis on CoolMini or Not store for sale before.
Avariel wrote: Thank you. Reading up on that now. It seems interesting. Seems like there different scenarios you can play in under 2 hours like Zombicide or Super Dungeon Explore so that might be a good fit.
As a woman I am turned off by some of the models they were blatant sells to a young male demographic. Some of the other ones are really nice and I would like to paint. So definitely a mixed bag here.
I thought this was out already as I saw some of the minis on CoolMini or Not store for sale before.
As Orlando mentioned, Adam's been selling miniatures for awhile based in his Kingdom Death IP.
The miniatures that come in the base game and expansions aren't the eye-candy variety - they're sensible. The women might be considered sexualized, but no more than the men. You can have a look here at a review of the starting Survivors done on Bell of Lost Souls website (these are RESIN, not the plastic ones we'll get).
The pinups, however, are all cheesecake. They are pinups, after all.
Edit:
Adam adjusted the stretch goal: it's now $150k instead of $175.
Exactly. For the most part, aside from the pinups, the KD female models tend to be fairly reasonable.
There are some more blatantly sexualized minis, such as the White Speaker, but considering the fluff behind the Speaker, and the more tribal nature of her character, I find this to be fairly reasonable.
Alpharius wrote: Not looking forward to another hard $15 decision though!
Edit: I was wrong.
Kingdom Death about 1 hour ago
@Charlie Shannon,
There is indeed a FINAL planned reward of the herald of death. I am still working out the details but I hope we can include it in the next 70 hours!
Alpharius wrote: Not looking forward to another hard $15 decision though!
It's a Herald of Death freebie.
Edit:
Kingdom Death about 1 hour ago
@Charlie Shannon,
There is indeed a FINAL planned reward of the herald of death. I am still working out the details but I hope we can include it in the next 70 hours!
It's not confirmed that the next stretch is freebie for Heralds just that Heralds will get another reward before the end, I'd rather that the Herald reward is an actual Kingdom Death mini or is KD:M related rather than an homage character.
DaveC wrote: It's not confirmed that the next stretch is freebie for Heralds just that Heralds will get another reward before the end, I'd rather that the Herald reward is an actual Kingdom Death mini or is KD:M related rather than an homage character.
My my my... a bit of cross pollination going on now, and Cadice is happy to share the scantily clad love.... [N.B., this update is from the Relic Knights KS]
If you're like us you have been watching breathlessly as the Kingdom Death Kickstarter shatters records with its unique (and awesome) brand of fantasy horror. You can imagine our delight to have the opportunity to join in on the fun; as our own intrepid pair, Candy and Cola, make their debut as a very special Survivor Pin-up.
