I was slightly amused to see that one of my boxes was misprinted, considering the cockups with the cards. Little more quality control with your multi million dollar projects CMON!
So, the Simon Pegg character (Fred) is pretty well broken. Being able to 2-for-1 once per action is disgusting. The player using him, despite being the only player NOT picking up more than two weapons (claw hammer and smg) and not picking up XP tokens, was in the orange extremely quickly. Best character that I've seen so far.
timetowaste85 wrote: So, the Simon Pegg character (Fred) is pretty well broken. Being able to 2-for-1 once per action is disgusting. The player using him, despite being the only player NOT picking up more than two weapons (claw hammer and smg) and not picking up XP tokens, was in the orange extremely quickly. Best character that I've seen so far.
So I don't know that this is the right place to ask, but I'm looking at getting into Zombicide and not really sure where to start. Should I get the original box or the Season 2 box, or both? Is it just new scenarios and characters or new rules as well? At this point would it be worth just waiting and getting in on the Season 3 kickstarter?
Starfarer wrote: So I don't know that this is the right place to ask, but I'm looking at getting into Zombicide and not really sure where to start. Should I get the original box or the Season 2 box, or both? Is it just new scenarios and characters or new rules as well? At this point would it be worth just waiting and getting in on the Season 3 kickstarter?
I'd say getting Season 1 is a good choice, if you can swing it grabbing Toxic City Mall at the same time would also be a good choice.
Season 1 only has the basic zombie types, and other then the A-Bomb they're pretty easy to get the hang of dealing with. TCM & PO each have new Zombie types (Toxic & Berserker) that require specific means of dealing with them.
I recommended picking up TCM as well because it comes with the Zombiviors for Season 1 along with the rules for using them, which is a good way to avoid 'Player Elimination' and have someone at the table fiddling with their phone after having died.
Starfarer wrote: So I don't know that this is the right place to ask, but I'm looking at getting into Zombicide and not really sure where to start. Should I get the original box or the Season 2 box, or both? Is it just new scenarios and characters or new rules as well? At this point would it be worth just waiting and getting in on the Season 3 kickstarter?
I found this post on BGG may be useful to folks interested in starting Zombicide:
I own all 3 Box sets (S1, TCM, PO), all the add-ons (Reg, Toxic, Angry, Z-Dogs and Companion Dogs). Like you, while I LOVE this game and play it regularily, think it’s getting VERY bloated.
I bought what I did because I really didn’t know WHAT to buy.. If I was to purchase everything again knowing what I know now, I would combine S1 with TCM and pick up an Angry Zombie expansion along with the PO tile-set and call it a day. My Reasons are below:
I don’t feel PO is a necessary purchase. I think the ability combos on the survivors, and the new weapons make the game too forgiving of mistakes/lack of planning.
However; I REALLY enjoy the mix of Toxic and Bezerker zombies. Having some immune to range, and others to melee is a great mix. Simply picking up an Angry Zombies pack allows you to always have this mix and adds difficulty of the game due to not having the PO weapons to deal with them easier.
While not essential, the PO tile pack allows you to play all the scenarios and keep your games interesting.
The Zombie Dogs add difficulty to the game. Not necessary, but it adds more variety if that’s what you want in your zombies. I enjoy them being part of the mix of zombies.
Companion dogs and are quite powerful. While we like the idea of dogs, we stopped using them as the game suggests because it made it too easy. Instead, we now place 1 or 2 dog(s) in the equipment deck at random and that’s it. When its gone, its gone.
S1 +TCM + Z-Dogs and Angry Zombies are how 90% of my games are played.
Like I said I LOVE this game, but I like it because I enjoy the game being DIFFICULT and unforgiving. I found I didn’t enjoy it as much when I used the PO weapons, and UltraRed & zombivor mode. I didn’t have that sense that every decision I make could end up losing the game. I want the game to kick my ass most of the time, because then when I do win, it actually feels like a victory..
I truly wish GG would start putting out just extra tile packs. Hospitals, Outdoor tiles, landmarks, shipping yards, banks, military bases, ect, rather then more minis..
I find the gameplay is in the scenarios and the tile more then anything else. It would be great to have 10 different tile sets to pick up to keep the scenarios fresh.
Cool, the advice very much appreciated. Looks Like I will go with the original set and Toxic City Mall and see if I want to expand from there. Should give me more than enough to paint and game with before worrying about adding more stuff!
Yeah I saw the Amazon price the other day. I believe I can get it and TCM for about $100 off Amazon with free shipping. Probably going to pick it up soon.
Received my stuff today, and it's pretty much got to go straight onto ebay along with my S1 set so I can pay off my credit card. Oh well. A good game but for the cash I can make from it, I won't be too cut up about losing some of the survivors if I choose to buy it again.
NecronLord3 wrote: It seems like they reversed the shipping order from wave 1. I was one of the last to get wave one, but one of the first to get wave two.
That makes a lot of sense. I was shipped on the first day with wave 1 (with all stretch goals) before they realized they didn't have enough. Haven't heard a peep regarding shipping of wave 2 yet.
Get my shipping notice, but when I checked the tracking, I found that it had reached my towns post office and then been returned to them because "it could not be delivered as addressed", so apparently they screwed up my address and I now have to wait for it to be sent back to them and sent again...
Yeah, I got mine early last week, and today the shipping notice arrived. Weird.
I was not happy about what appears to be injection mold marks on a bunch of my survivors. I had to send them back an email with a bunch of pictures again. We'll see what happens, I guess.
I don't know what I'll do for season 3, but I certainly won't drop anywhere near as much $$.
I've backed 62 different projects now, and they've had the most problems out of any of them with the worst communication overall. Heck, I watched a smaller business create a new piece after the kickstarter started due to demand, and they even shipped it out on time, 2 months after the kickstarter ended. I was really really impressed.
Schlyne wrote: Yeah, I got mine early last week, and today the shipping notice arrived. Weird.
I was not happy about what appears to be injection mold marks on a bunch of my survivors. I had to send them back an email with a bunch of pictures again. We'll see what happens, I guess.
Couldn't be bothered to take the 6 seconds you'd need to scrape it off with a hobby blade, eh?
No, I'm not talking about stuff left over, I'm talking about marks left in. I could scrape it off and fill it in with green stuff, but I shouldn't have to. Is quality control too much to ask? That's now 7 of my mini's I've had to send them pictures for possible replacement.
Also, one of my guys came with a broken pan anyway.
If they don't want to replace the guys with the injection marks, that's fine, but they should replace my broken pan dude at least.
I think the storage boxes are cool, so of course all the comments on the FB are vile and repugnant.
Fuckin gamers, man.
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Schlyne wrote: No, I'm not talking about stuff left over, I'm talking about marks left in. I could scrape it off and fill it in with green stuff, but I shouldn't have to. Is quality control too much to ask? That's now 7 of my mini's I've had to send them pictures for possible replacement.
Also, one of my guys came with a broken pan anyway.
If they don't want to replace the guys with the injection marks, that's fine, but they should replace my broken pan dude at least.
Perhaps you could show us some photos so we know what you're talking about.
I'm more concerned about how you get the damned things out once they're in there. There's not a lot of space around those cards - they seem to fit pretty snug-ly - so how do you claw them out without tipping the whole container?
Just got the main/basic box from Amazon (missed the kickstarter entirely). Looking forward to giving it a try. Any recommendations for must have expansions or the like?
Also, I noticed that all the character cards are available on their site. Is that just for demo, or do people print them out and stick them on card?
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'm more concerned about how you get the damned things out once they're in there. There's not a lot of space around those cards - they seem to fit pretty snug-ly - so how do you claw them out without tipping the whole container?
There appears to be a gap in the wall between the dice holder and the player cards. Not sure on the small cards, look slanted though.
Hi
I've been working on an android application to be used in Zombicide gameplays.
I´ve called it Zombicider, and with it you can keep track of your characters, levels, skills ...
You can also create and share your custom characters!
You can find it on Google Play, hope you like it and find it useful!
streamdragon wrote: Just got the main/basic box from Amazon (missed the kickstarter entirely). Looking forward to giving it a try. Any recommendations for must have expansions or the like?
I'm in the same boat pretty much. I just bought the main box and Toxic City Mall on Amazon based on some recommendations a page or so back in this thread. I can't really see the need to expand beyond what I have now. Especially considering I now have a small army of zombies to get painted.
Schlyne wrote: No, I'm not talking about stuff left over, I'm talking about marks left in. I could scrape it off and fill it in with green stuff, but I shouldn't have to. Is quality control too much to ask? That's now 7 of my mini's I've had to send them pictures for possible replacement.
Also, one of my guys came with a broken pan anyway.
If they don't want to replace the guys with the injection marks, that's fine, but they should replace my broken pan dude at least.
Perhaps you could show us some photos so we know what you're talking about.
Here's an example, and I'm sorry, it's a lousy cell phone camera picture. I don't have a better camera these days.
Schlyne wrote: No, I'm not talking about stuff left over, I'm talking about marks left in. I could scrape it off and fill it in with green stuff, but I shouldn't have to. Is quality control too much to ask? That's now 7 of my mini's I've had to send them pictures for possible replacement.
Also, one of my guys came with a broken pan anyway.
If they don't want to replace the guys with the injection marks, that's fine, but they should replace my broken pan dude at least.
Perhaps you could show us some photos so we know what you're talking about.
Here's an example, and I'm sorry, it's a lousy cell phone camera picture. I don't have a better camera these days.
My Zombivor Troy has a similar mark from the Season 1 Kickstarter. Was tempted to contact CMON about it and would have done if it had been on the survivor but as it was only the one figure effected I didn't in the end.
Yeah, there's a few marks like that on some of my regular zombies, but I wasn't going to contact them about every one of those, unless one of them was completely broken.
In one of my other kickstarter games (non coolmini) I had to send in and ask for a couple replacements. I ended up with a zombie that was completely missing a hand (which was kinda cool, actually) and one of the specialist guys was just badly molded and cracked all around. If it hadn't been for the specialist guy, I wouldn't have asked for a replacement.
The last bits of my season two KS just turned up in the UK. Shipping notice arrived yesterday, presumably at the same time as the first note from the courier company telling me I wasn't in when they tried to deliver it.
CptJake wrote: So 5 on the cover translates to what, about 83 or so during the KS?
I'm going to guess.... 16 total survivors by the end.
We should do a contest!!!
Highly unlikely. I didn't get all the extra survivors by any means, but my wave 2 box that arrived yesterday contained 14-16 survivors (off the top of my head) so the total for season 2 may well be 80 or so if you got every single mini. If you got all the promos from season 1 and season 2, you could be creeping up on 200 survivors by now. I wouldn't put it past CMON to aim for a max over all 3 seasons of 300.
The recent interviews indicated that the season 3 box would contain 12 survivors due to the more comparative nature of the game with each player controlling a small team.
A bit more info on Season 3 from Percy at GG (translated from French with a bit of a tidy up from me as google translate is a bit to literal some times)
Season 3 is called well Rue Morgue , the tiles represent a hospital ( but not just a hospital) , there is only one type of zombie in the game ( although ... well, you'll see ) there are 12 survivors and none of them are "veterans" of Season 1. The ability to form teams of survivors is present, as well as the competitive mode , although it is optional , the heart of the game remaining cooperation. There are a lot of new things in the rules, such as a different management of Invasion areas, Team Actions and many other surprises. There's an extension in the TCM box format provided , as well as additional boxes of figurines which bring their share of surprises and novelties.
Season 3 has received special care during its development . With its experience in previous seasons, the team Guillotine Games has listened to the views of players to avoid some pitfalls of S2, to find the right balance between classic and new, possibly making the best Rue Morgue box Zombicide to date .
Zombicide Season 3 : Rue Morgue should come out simultaneously in English and French .
The cooperative or competitive mode is added, any team with two or more survivors may choose Team Action cards at the beginning of the game and use during the activation of one of its members . Missions played in competitive mode have a unique winner : the team that has the most experience at the end of the game wins. The action happens over 10 years later, but in a few months , and we will find an aged version of the old Survivors. Each team will have its specialty orientation. When you enter a hospital room , we will not know right away if the beds there simply dead or zombies.
Highly unlikely. I didn't get all the extra survivors by any means, but my wave 2 box that arrived yesterday contained 14-16 survivors (off the top of my head) so the total for season 2 may well be 80 or so if you got every single mini. If you got all the promos from season 1 and season 2, you could be creeping up on 200 survivors by now. I wouldn't put it past CMON to aim for a max over all 3 seasons of 300.
Well that isn't true at all.
I have every survivor, including Audrey and Kyoko, and I have like 55 survivors. Even if you include the zombivors, that's still only hovering around 100.
I'd give anything for them to do this one as a general release non- Kickstarter with some send away deal for promo characters. My wallet can't take another Kickstart.
Highly unlikely. I didn't get all the extra survivors by any means, but my wave 2 box that arrived yesterday contained 14-16 survivors (off the top of my head) so the total for season 2 may well be 80 or so if you got every single mini. If you got all the promos from season 1 and season 2, you could be creeping up on 200 survivors by now. I wouldn't put it past CMON to aim for a max over all 3 seasons of 300.
Well that isn't true at all.
I have every survivor, including Audrey and Kyoko, and I have like 55 survivors. Even if you include the zombivors, that's still only hovering around 100.
But I get that hyperbole is really fun.
OK, so my figures were off. Sue me!
By actual count on the KS pages, season 1 started with 6 and ended with 15. Season 2 TCM and PO combined started with 10 and ended with 38*. (NOT including Zombivors) So max possible survivors is currently 53*. So possibly an increase by a further 47 making a total of 100 overall if you got every single one of them.
Oh, and I don't consider the difference between 38 and 80 to be in the realms of hyperbole. Everything else was based off that assumption, and the idea that CMoN would probably want to increase the number of survivors in each consecutive season, if at all possible. Note the use of "may be", "could be", and "wouldn't put it past". All these are terms that indicate I was talking in the realms of possibility, not actual fact.
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* Figures are approximate. I am human and may have missed one or two.
I would assume so. Or maybe a small number of the core survivors from s1/s2? Presumably some wouldn't have made it. I think it's interesting that they aren't part if the core 12 from this set. Maybe an expansion ala the dogs?
Oh, and I don't consider the difference between 38 and 80 to be in the realms of hyperbole. Everything else was based off that assumption, and the idea that CMoN would probably want to increase the number of survivors in each consecutive season, if at all possible. Note the use of "may be", "could be", and "wouldn't put it past". All these are terms that indicate I was talking in the realms of possibility, not actual fact.
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Hahaha. Dude, you said they were "presently pushing 200 and may near 300 at the end of this one". There are around 50 survivors. If that isn't the definition of hyperbole, I don't know what is.
Anyways, now that that fact session is out of the way, I still think we should do a contest. I have extra promos so I'll be happy to provide prize support.
We can do it a few ways: people can guess a number of total bonus survivors (which would be first come first served) or we can let everyone have a guess at what one of the new survivors will be inspired by.
I'd take a shot at either honestly. Though I also have all the survivors, other then the new contest chick (Big Bang theory one). Still need the green dice though. Hopefully available in this kickstarter.
Saw this on the CMON facebook page, see that image of the zombicide art behind the table? Did CMON release a carrying case or did I exciting for no reason?
If not guess I will go back to plan a and buying a plano case from Amazon and making it look like a first aid kit with my red cross stickers.
Saw this on the CMON facebook page, see that image of the zombicide art behind the table? Did CMON release a carrying case or did I exciting for no reason?
If not guess I will go back to plan a and buying a plano case from Amazon and making it look like a first aid kit with my red cross stickers.
Saw this on the CMON facebook page, see that image of the zombicide art behind the table? Did CMON release a carrying case or did I exciting for no reason?
If not guess I will go back to plan a and buying a plano case from Amazon and making it look like a first aid kit with my red cross stickers.
No reason, that's just a shopping bag.
CMoN does have a bag made by Battlefoam if your intrerested in that type of thing. I highly recommend the Battlefoam inserts that fit inside the game box, I got one from the first Kickstarter and it works really well.
Would it be asking for too much instead of a pile of survivors, GG can put efforts into a more map tiles and a large scenario book?
I have more survivors than I could ever want, I have more than have actually been used. What drives this game is scenarios and maps. Good scenarios are far and few between, especially ones that are challenging.
I can count the times I have lost one one hand.
Twice.
My group now starts every game as if were drawing zombie cards from yellow or orange.
Piston Honda wrote: Would it be asking for too much instead of a pile of survivors, GG can put efforts into a more map tiles and a large scenario book?
I have more survivors than I could ever want, I have more than have actually been used. What drives this game is scenarios and maps. Good scenarios are far and few between, especially ones that are challenging.
I can count the times I have lost one one hand.
Twice.
My group now starts every game as if were drawing zombie cards from yellow or orange.
You do know there are a ton of scenarios online on the guillotine games website, right?
And that they are coming out with a scenario book that collects the best of those....
Piston Honda wrote: Would it be asking for too much instead of a pile of survivors, GG can put efforts into a more map tiles and a large scenario book?
I have more survivors than I could ever want, I have more than have actually been used. What drives this game is scenarios and maps. Good scenarios are far and few between, especially ones that are challenging.
I can count the times I have lost one one hand.
Twice.
My group now starts every game as if were drawing zombie cards from yellow or orange.
You do know there are a ton of scenarios online on the guillotine games website, right?
And that they are coming out with a scenario book that collects the best of those....
not only have I played all of them, but had them professionally printed.
Trapthem wrote: How long did the last KS take to deliver to aus? Wondering if I ks this one and hope to get s2 and bonuses with it or just buy them in store.
They did say they're really pushing to fix all the issues they've had with the past seasons when it comes to shipping and all that.
I'm sure the last thing they want is one more season of a hundred or so disappointed/upset backers....
Trapthem wrote: How long did the last KS take to deliver to aus? Wondering if I ks this one and hope to get s2 and bonuses with it or just buy them in store.
They did say they're really pushing to fix all the issues they've had with the past seasons when it comes to shipping and all that.
I'm sure the last thing they want is one more season of a hundred or so disappointed/upset backers....
I'm assuming it's mainly just international shipping that was an issue? S1 was on time if not a bit early. S2 I think was a month and a half to 2 months late IIRC.
My expectations with KS delays 1-3 months - expected. 4-6 months sucks but them is the breaks. 6-9 months - you should have been better prepared and did better research. Over that, you really had no business creating a KS unless you give a proper updates and reasoning for such a long delay.
From what I remember, it was like 2 months, but the big issue, was absolutely horrible communication. I know I was seeing people get stuff overseas before I got mine. In, fact, I just found my comment. My first round showed up on the 18 of October, and that was after i'd made one heck of an annoyed complaint on the comments section, mostly concerning the fact that one of the things I'd backed was the base game zombicide, and that I could buy it online from amazon, ship it to myself right that second and I was still waiting for all of my stuff through the KS.
When my second round of stuff arrived, I never got a tracking number, or a notice that it was on the way, IIRC.
And now that I'm scrolling through the KS updates, seeing things like KS update #57 9/25/2013 "EU orders will begin shipping out next week due to port issues caused by the new container facility in London." and then nothing happened for 2 months. I know that upset a lot of people.
Also, IIRC that some of the retailers in the EU (germany maybe?) got packages before KS backers, did, but I don't recall the exact reasons for that. Something to do with the way the country processed the game or something, but that upset people. I don't think it was because a retailer backed the game.
I got shipped less than half of my stuff, and told that it was all of it. I got onto them and they were apologetic, but typically took 2 weeks to reply, and was promised several times that they would ship "monday" to no avail.
My personal belief is that it was only due to some assistance from a third party that I had my stuff sorted out quickly - following the dramasaga that was developing..
My only annoyance with the last kickstarter was they obvioulsy shipped the smaller ortders before the larger orders.
While I understood the mentality on their part, that smaller order should have been faster to pic, it was quite annoying on the backer end.
Half of my gaming group backed season 2, and the most fanatic players, who plunked down the most money, got their stuff weeks ,and in one cast almost a month, after the backers who went bare minimum.
I'd be happier if larger orders where shipped first this time around.
Hopefully this works (really apologise for the size, that's what they were posted as) -
There are a couple of paint sets coming out, one for Season 1 and another for Toxic City Mall. I guess the Season 2 paint set is dependent on how well the first two sell.
Per the comments of the latest WoK update they will be delivered at the same time as the rest of the Wrath of Kings stuff no early shipping for anyone that just ordered the Zc minis so September I believe
New Rules:
Team Abilities. Can create teams from the survivors for a semi-competitive feel. Teams can choose actions during their turn.
“Charge” to move everyone for free and attack, for example.
Hospital beds work similar to sewers, can spawn zombies.
Tents as well, possibly can be supplies… but maybe zombies.
New Zombie type:
Skinner zombies, When they are killed, if you roll a 1, they become crawlers. They are the last on the threat list.
A-bomb Abomination. Drags others into his space.
New human companions like dog companions - Gunman, extra die to a ranged attack, or an action to do an attack with him, for example.
New weapons such as swords and bows. Also bullet proof vest. La Guillotine axe. Urban mace. Sabers.
Angry Neighbors Expansion (for season 3):
This is the expansion for those that created custom, special heroes and zombies.
Ground holes to trap heroes and zombies.
New zombie type: seekers. They spawn and extra-activate on the same card.
Other extras:
3 New guest boxes
New zombie boxes.
New weapons.
OPTIONAL! PvP rules.
RPG elements to the game. Stand-alone product.
Plastic scenery.
New plastic tokens.
3D elements including Doors
New pets.
Tooling happening now for the plastics.
A question was raised about modern military minis.
A longer break may come before season 4. A theme of a future expansion may be something like that. It has been considered.
There will be new map sets coming after season 3.
The update to the Apple app. is coming soon. It is in the works now, including special characters from the game.
There will be a cost for the TCM and Prison Outbreak content. Unavoidably needed, but a moderate cost. (I'm not sure what this means I guess it relates to the printing of the new corrected cards)
Not exactly Zombicide related but I thought the news about the GG / Studio McVey team up was interesting.. The Others could turn out to be a tabletop version of The Secret World.
There isn't a CMoN general thread for this (and I'm not going to start one but if someone wants to start one and take responsibility for it I'll certainly add a few bits to it) but the schedule is
Kickstarter
Xenoshyft - this Friday
Last week of June into July will be Zombicide Season 3.
Then Rivet Wars Western Front. (Ruska and Ottomans)
KS delivery
Arcadia Quest is on time for now.
Dogs of War may be early.
Wrath of Kings will be August/september. (including Zombicide crossovers)
XenoShyft will be this fall.
Zombicide 3 will be late this year.
To be announced probably KS
Ron and Bones (pretty much ready to go)
Stop the Truck. Mad Max type of thing where you try to get away from raiders.
The Others - 7 Sins
Sedition Wars Expansion
I'm really liking how the Bow can take out an Abomination on a lucky shot. It will add to the excitement when a survivor is unloading arrows into an A-Bomb praying for a six.
I wasn't thinking about it only being 1D , but +1 damage for each six rolled, a +1D ranged damage ability, and 2 rolls of 6, and you have Abomb killer.
Yeah, not as good as I was thinking. I didn't think it through before posting.
There will be a cost for the TCM and Prison Outbreak content. Unavoidably needed, but a moderate cost. (I'm not sure what this means I guess it relates to the printing of the new corrected cards)
Is this in reference to the character cards that lack numbers printed on them? Dodgy as hell to be asking for money for corrected ones, especially given the cost of the survivor minis.
There will be a cost for the TCM and Prison Outbreak content. Unavoidably needed, but a moderate cost. (I'm not sure what this means I guess it relates to the printing of the new corrected cards)
Is this in reference to the character cards that lack numbers printed on them? Dodgy as hell to be asking for money for corrected ones, especially given the cost of the survivor minis.
This is talking about the Zombicide iOS App, which is getting updated soon bigtime. The way he talked about it, it sounds like you'll be able to play just using the app. The PO/TCM expansions are not free DLC.
adamsouza wrote: I wasn't thinking about it only being 1D , but +1 damage for each six rolled, a +1D ranged damage ability, and 2 rolls of 6, and you have Abomb killer.
Yeah, not as good as I was thinking. I didn't think it through before posting.
Or a character like Wallowitz, getting a +1D to his roll, if he rolls a single 6 it'll do the kill: +1 from character ability, +1 from bow. Equals a 3 in my book!
Angry Neighbors has 4 Survivors - the 3 backers that paid for I am Legend and 1 backer they selected themselves (the one in the skull t-shirt). 3 of the zombies in it are the I am Zombie backers.
The Abomb has a female alternate sculpt that is KS exclusive.
It looks like season 3 zombies are yellow in colour. Seekers will also be another colour.
Human Companions mentioned - Gunman (can fire weapons even if you don't have one all gunmen in the same zone fire at the same time even if they are not your companion) , Searcher (free search action doesn't take up a gear slot), Handyman (can build barricades), Sniper.
The guest boxes we've seen Paulos two already, Miguel Coimbra did the cheerleader and another not mentioned . Édouard Guiton did the third box it has a kid and a girl dressed like a rabbit!
The video suggests but doesn't confirm that the crows are companions not enemies.
The Military stuff might be an expansion between Season 3 and 4 not necessarily Season 4
Some Survivors can shove zombies into holes. Holes are part of the Angry Neighbors expansion.
There will be new map packs launched outside of KS.
In these days we are at full speed and busy closing the Apps and the design of our incoming games!
Tomorrow we will run a final test on the Apps and this week we closed the whole design of the cards! Here a little selection on Angry Neighbors cards.
Because it works a million times better for them than simply allowing pre-orders
It's actually fething annoying wanting to buy a product and having the experience be a gamble.
It's not a rough shot idea any more, it's a proven product with a consumer base o.O
You pretty much contradict yourself there. It's not a gamble. It's a solid product with a consumer base, and they've proven they will deliver
I would like a lot of this shown but the delivery process sounds like a nightmare most of the time.
Impatient vocal minority.
It takes them weeks, a month even, to get all the packages out the door, and longer for them to actually reach their destinations.
People who don't get it in the first wave start getting Jelly and feeling start getting hurt, for no good reason.
I have backed both zombicide kickstarters, received all my items, in well packaged boxes, in perfect conidtion, within the same quarter they have promised.
I got all my Zombicide 2 stuff in proper time, CMON has been pretty good with its Kickstarters. Sounds like you're just new to the process and don't know how it's largely successful. If it was more a flop than a success, don't you think people would have stopped using it? The fact that it continues (and that things like Z:S2 reached a million $ on day 1) should be all the proof you need that it works and it's a widely successful practice. If that doesn't prove it, then maybe you should stay out of it, wait for it to hit shelves, and don't get your promo stuff. Or you can be like us cool kids and have people like Jason Statham on your anti-undead team.
I would like a lot of this shown but the delivery process sounds like a nightmare most of the time.
Impatient vocal minority.
It takes them weeks, a month even, to get all the packages out the door, and longer for them to actually reach their destinations.
People who don't get it in the first wave start getting Jelly and feeling start getting hurt, for no good reason.
I have backed both zombicide kickstarters, received all my items, in well packaged boxes, in perfect conidtion, within the same quarter they have promised.
They sent me less than half of my W1 order, told me that everything was sent, and it took months of email ping pong and finally the intervention of someone who knows them personally to have the rest of my stuff sent out. I wasn't terribly worried about not going out in the "first wave", but the experience was not a pleasant one (up to the point where I got help there was lots of 2-weeks to reply to an email and "we'll send it Monday"-type bs.)
To be fair, my subsequent waves then arrived quickly and smoothly.
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timetowaste85 wrote: I got all my Zombicide 2 stuff in proper time, CMON has been pretty good with its Kickstarters. Sounds like you're just new to the process and don't know how it's largely successful. If it was more a flop than a success, don't you think people would have stopped using it? The fact that it continues (and that things like Z:S2 reached a million $ on day 1) should be all the proof you need that it works and it's a widely successful practice. If that doesn't prove it, then maybe you should stay out of it, wait for it to hit shelves, and don't get your promo stuff. Or you can be like us cool kids and have people like Jason Statham on your anti-undead team.
You pretty much just nailed one of the big reasons why people who might have otherwise waited for retail still go in on the KS campaigns. Limited-edition promo models.
You're an outlier Azazelx. Your experiences do not match the majority of people when it comes to Zombicide related Kickstarters, so we shouldn't use what happened to you as a typical example of what might happen. That and I'm pretty sure they did it to you on purpose because they wanted to see if you'd Hulk out if your heart rate got high enough.
H.B.M.C. wrote: You're an outlier Azazelx. Your experiences do not match the majority of people when it comes to Zombicide related Kickstarters, so we shouldn't use what happened to you as a typical example of what might happen. That and I'm pretty sure they did it to you on purpose because they wanted to see if you'd Hulk out if your heart rate got high enough.
Well, the huge packing error may not necessarily be typical, but it's an example of what might happen - and more importantly the difficulty of getting them to sort out any issues that might arise. There were some pretty angry people in the comments as well (some with similar issues), but I didn't start looking at the comments until my order arrived late and messed up, so bear that in mind.
Piston Honda wrote: so what are the chances of getting a penn and teller set of minis and a Jay and Silent bob set? with jay and bob holding a hockey sticks.
IMO Jay and Silent Bob with bong sabers would be better.
It is all well and good the people in the U.S. have had pleasant experiences but as an international customer the reviews are mostly not in the positive.
Granted people have eventually gotten their stuff but after a lot of back and forth so I was posting to gain an insight as someone who might drop a few hundred over a few people on the next KS if it is something that won't wind up totally stressing me out having to chase things up or cross my fingers.
I just want to know if it is worth the effort or not basically and so far international customers come across with a firm "eeeeeeh maaaaaaaybe"
*edit* bluntman and chronic but also dante and randall with hockey sticks
As an EU backer I haven't had any issues with both Zombicide KS everything arrived exactly as it should sure it was a bit later delivery than US backers but that was the trade off for no import charges so that's fine by me. They sold at Gencon before I got mine but I got mine plus all that extras the retail set didn't get I don't need to be the first person with the game in my hand.
The only real issue for me is the misprinted numbers on the cards but as I'm going to back season 3 it will get sorted and I get $10 credit.
CMoN have been hit and miss on their KS but Zc is in the hit category for me and I get the feeling that Guillotine Games are as much behind that plus you don't mess up your biggest cash cow.
Anytime I have had an issue CMoN have sorted it okay it took a little time and if you want something done right away you'll probably get stressed out over chasing it - they do come through in the end though (in my experience). I'm not CMoN biggest fan by any means there's some projects I wish they'd never got their hands on but it won't stop me backing/buying games thet publish that I like.
Trapthem wrote: It is all well and good the people in the U.S. have had pleasant experiences but as an international customer the reviews are mostly not in the positive.
Customer reviews in general are mostly written by people who were unhappy with a service.
8,944 backers Season 2, and I'm willing to bet we see less than 100 people who had legitimate complaints about it, that keep bringing it up.
Most of the complaints I recall were of the following nature
"I really , really want it, why isn't it here yet?" "Even though they are insanely busy, why haven't they responded to my email?" "How dare they sell box sets at a convention, before I got mine. I'm a KS backer Gosh darn it !!!"
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Personally, When I received Season 2 wave 1, I had one wrong 1 model in it. I waited until they said everything was shipped and emailed them about it. I got a responce within 48 hours, a confimration that my model was shipped within 48hours later, and the model at my door within 48 hours later.
If I had any real complaint about the Season 2 fulfillment process it's that they shipped the smallest orders first. The people who had invested the most, were the last to get their models.
I actually just emailed them over a figure that I had ordered 2 of (overpledged) but only got one. They got back to me within hours. I've had nothing but good communication for Cmon kickstarters after they are out. Havent tried while it is ongoing though.
Customer reviews in general are mostly written by people who were unhappy with a service.
This is not especially true. Many people who are unhappy with a service will just suck it up quietly just as satisfied customers will often say nothing. Unhappy people will, by and large tell more people about their experiences than happy ones, though. However, "most" is pushing it. Especially in threads where people ask for others' experiences with a company or product.
8,944 backers Season 2, and I'm willing to bet we see less than 100 people who had legitimate complaints about it, that keep bringing it up.
Here, though, you're pulling numbers out of your arse/passing your opinions off as "fact".
Speaking for myself, I bring my CMON shipping experiences up when people ask about others' experiences, or when it's pertinent to the discussion. I haven't written a blog post about "my terrible experiences with CMON" or anything. Once I got in contact with someone who was able to actually help me rather than stall and bs me, it was resolved very quickly and to my satisfaction. I've also stated plenty of times that my subsequent shipments arrived with no problem at all. Frankly, if CMON are going to continue to ship Non-US orders from China it'll be a vast improvement in many ways, and was a welcome development to see during the ZCS2 fulfilment.
Most of the complaints I recall were of the following nature
"I really , really want it, why isn't it here yet?" "Even though they are insanely busy, why haven't they responded to my email?" "How dare they sell box sets at a convention, before I got mine. I'm a KS backer Gosh darn it !!!"
I mostly recall legitimate ones. It probably helps that I didn't start browsing the comments section at all until they screwed up my initial shipment, and for the weeks thereafter while trying to get it resolved. I also tended to ignore the first two of those, excepting when people were hoping to get responses for screwed-up orders like my own.
While I'm not too fussed about the GenCon thing personally, I certainly see how people can legitimately take issue with it. It's good to see that you've decided for the rest of us that it's not a "legitimate" complaint though.
You seem to be drifting towards becoming an apologist for CMON lately. The "less than 100 people" and "legitimate" stuff above is not helping your credibility.
Azaz- I think your concerns were always perfectly reasonable. I was really glad to hear that they resolved stuff for you.
I think part of it with Zombicide is that people just have to realize that shipping for that monstrosity takes some time. There were, what? 8000 backers on ZC:S2? Each person with the potential for a different order.
And CMoN only has 3 or 4 full time warehouse employees.
I've personally never been bothered by a company selling product at at Con before it arrived to backers. I think it would behoove many to complete a survey first to get a general temperature of how the backer group as a whole feels, but for some of the smaller companies, it would be foolish for them not to take new product to the 2nd largest tabletop gaming convention in the world.
Azazelx wrote: While I'm not too fussed about the GenCon thing personally, I certainly see how people can legitimately take issue with it. It's good to see that you've decided for the rest of us that it's not a "legitimate" complaint though.
I didn't participate in either KS, but I do have strong feelings about this. People need to be more understanding about this sort of thing.
When the act of packing and shipping a huge amount of pre-orders can take weeks, and the shipping on certain items can take weeks beyond that, expecting a company to miss out on thousands of dollars in sales and absolutely crucial exposure so you feel like you're special just seems wrong. GenCon is a massive once a year event - the sort of event that companies count on for both revenue and buzz. To "sit it out" or deliberately hamper yourself to make a small group of people happy just isn't right. In fact, as supporters/backers, you would think they would want the company to do the thing that gives them the best leg up.
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cincydooley wrote: Azaz- I think your concerns were always perfectly reasonable. I was really glad to hear that they resolved stuff for you.
I think part of it with Zombicide is that people just have to realize that shipping for that monstrosity takes some time. There were, what? 8000 backers on ZC:S2? Each person with the potential for a different order.
And CMoN only has 3 or 4 full time warehouse employees.
I've personally never been bothered by a company selling product at at Con before it arrived to backers. I think it would behoove many to complete a survey first to get a general temperature of how the backer group as a whole feels, but for some of the smaller companies, it would be foolish for them not to take new product to the 2nd largest tabletop gaming convention in the world.
Azazelx wrote: While I'm not too fussed about the GenCon thing personally, I certainly see how people can legitimately take issue with it. It's good to see that you've decided for the rest of us that it's not a "legitimate" complaint though.
I didn't participate in either KS, but I do have strong feelings about this. People need to be more understanding about this sort of thing.
When the act of packing and shipping a huge amount of pre-orders can take weeks, and the shipping on certain items can take weeks beyond that, expecting a company to miss out on thousands of dollars in sales and absolutely crucial exposure so you feel like you're special just seems wrong. GenCon is a massive once a year event - the sort of event that companies count on for both revenue and buzz. To "sit it out" or deliberately hamper yourself to make a small group of people happy just isn't right. In fact, as supporters/backers, you would think they would want the company to do the thing that gives them the best leg up.
Of course. With any shipping job of any significant size, someone has to be last, and that's completely understandable. On the other hand, I do think that hiring temps/getting in the casuals/part-timers full-time for a week or two is a reasonable proposition and even expectation for something like this, rather than simply saying "We only have three staff and ten thousand orders! Oh noes! We could never have planned for this!" when they generally have a year or so to plan it.
I think the issue for people with regard to GenCon seems to be that as backers, we're usually promised the toys first, and we usually paid a year in advance (or more!) and so I do think it's a legitimate/reasonable concern when companies might air-freight in a pile of stuff so that they can sell them to con-goers while people who "made it happen" and paid upfront 6-12-18 months might still be waiting a month or even several months more for their stuff. As I've said, it doesn't personally bother me too much, (well, most of the time - Palladium would be an exception) but I can respect those who have an issue with it rather than write them off as entitled or whingers or illegitimate or what have you.
And CMoN only has 3 or 4 full time warehouse employees.
I don't know how many people they have running part time, but since it seems like I get a "we're doing a kickstarter for such an such" every other month or so, they should probably hire a few more...
cincydooley wrote: Azaz- I think your concerns were always perfectly reasonable. I was really glad to hear that they resolved stuff for you.
I think part of it with Zombicide is that people just have to realize that shipping for that monstrosity takes some time. There were, what? 8000 backers on ZC:S2? Each person with the potential for a different order.
And CMoN only has 3 or 4 full time warehouse employees.
I've personally never been bothered by a company selling product at at Con before it arrived to backers. I think it would behoove many to complete a survey first to get a general temperature of how the backer group as a whole feels, but for some of the smaller companies, it would be foolish for them not to take new product to the 2nd largest tabletop gaming convention in the world.
Azazelx wrote: While I'm not too fussed about the GenCon thing personally, I certainly see how people can legitimately take issue with it. It's good to see that you've decided for the rest of us that it's not a "legitimate" complaint though.
I didn't participate in either KS, but I do have strong feelings about this. People need to be more understanding about this sort of thing.
When the act of packing and shipping a huge amount of pre-orders can take weeks, and the shipping on certain items can take weeks beyond that, expecting a company to miss out on thousands of dollars in sales and absolutely crucial exposure so you feel like you're special just seems wrong. GenCon is a massive once a year event - the sort of event that companies count on for both revenue and buzz. To "sit it out" or deliberately hamper yourself to make a small group of people happy just isn't right. In fact, as supporters/backers, you would think they would want the company to do the thing that gives them the best leg up.
Of course. With any shipping job of any significant size, someone has to be last, and that's completely understandable. On the other hand, I do think that hiring temps/getting in the casuals/part-timers full-time for a week or two is a reasonable proposition and even expectation for something like this, rather than simply saying "We only have three staff and ten thousand orders! Oh noes! We could never have planned for this!" when they generally have a year or so to plan it.
I think the issue for people with regard to GenCon seems to be that as backers, we're usually promised the toys first, and we usually paid a year in advance (or more!) and so I do think it's a legitimate/reasonable concern when companies might air-freight in a pile of stuff so that they can sell them to con-goers while people who "made it happen" and paid upfront 6-12-18 months might still be waiting a month or even several months more for their stuff. As I've said, it doesn't personally bother me too much, (well, most of the time - Palladium would be an exception) but I can respect those who have an issue with it rather than write them off as entitled or whingers or illegitimate or what have you.
Yeah, I disagree with most of this. What you described is absolutely a feeling of entitlement. BUT... I also don't think a company should screw over their backers. Its just that I don't think missing out on a once a year event is a reasonable expectation on the part of backers.
There is a synergy... A give and take... That I feel goes along with Kickstarter. You are backing a product or an idea because you want it to succeed, and as such, you should be understanding when hiccups happen along the way or when the company makes a decision for the absolute good of the company, like attending GenCon to promote themselves. Conversely, the company should be 100% communicative about what they are doing, why, and how it will affect their backers. They aren't mind readers and they need to know that they backed the right team. Essentially, both sides of the equation need to be community minded and respectful to each other. I think that's absolutely essential.
And yes, a company can say, "wow, how are we going to ship all this crap with only 3 people?" and then hire temps. But of course, when they ran the KS, they don't factor into the equation, "Okay, we need to hire 3 temps at $10/hr for 3 weeks, 40 hours per week.... With taxes and temp fees, that's only $4000-$5000 we didn't account for. Damn it."
Yeah, they raised over $1M and 4K-5K seems like a drop in the bucket, but with shipping, production, etc on everything they promised... I don't think they're lining their pockets just yet. I could be wrong. But the overhead when you explode that quickly has to be enormous.
Long story short, both sides need to set reasonable expectations of each other and behave like a community and a team - not work against each other.
Of course. With any shipping job of any significant size, someone has to be last, and that's completely understandable. On the other hand, I do think that hiring temps/getting in the casuals/part-timers full-time for a week or two is a reasonable proposition and even expectation for something like this, rather than simply saying "We only have three staff and ten thousand orders! Oh noes! We could never have planned for this!" when they generally have a year or so to plan it.
I think the issue for people with regard to GenCon seems to be that as backers, we're usually promised the toys first, and we usually paid a year in advance (or more!) and so I do think it's a legitimate/reasonable concern when companies might air-freight in a pile of stuff so that they can sell them to con-goers while people who "made it happen" and paid upfront 6-12-18 months might still be waiting a month or even several months more for their stuff. As I've said, it doesn't personally bother me too much, (well, most of the time - Palladium would be an exception) but I can respect those who have an issue with it rather than write them off as entitled or whingers or illegitimate or what have you.
Yeah, I disagree with most of this. What you described is absolutely a feeling of entitlement. BUT... I also don't think a company should screw over their backers. Its just that I don't think missing out on a once a year event is a reasonable expectation on the part of backers.
There is a synergy... A give and take... That I feel goes along with Kickstarter. You are backing a product or an idea because you want it to succeed, and as such, you should be understanding when hiccups happen along the way or when the company makes a decision for the absolute good of the company, like attending GenCon to promote themselves. Conversely, the company should be 100% communicative about what they are doing, why, and how it will affect their backers. They aren't mind readers and they need to know that they backed the right team. Essentially, both sides of the equation need to be community minded and respectful to each other. I think that's absolutely essential.
And yes, a company can say, "wow, how are we going to ship all this crap with only 3 people?" and then hire temps. But of course, when they ran the KS, they don't factor into the equation, "Okay, we need to hire 3 temps at $10/hr for 3 weeks, 40 hours per week.... With taxes and temp fees, that's only $4000-$5000 we didn't account for. Damn it."
Yeah, they raised over $1M and 4K-5K seems like a drop in the bucket, but with shipping, production, etc on everything they promised... I don't think they're lining their pockets just yet. I could be wrong. But the overhead when you explode that quickly has to be enormous.
Long story short, both sides need to set reasonable expectations of each other and behave like a community and a team - not work against each other.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then, broadly speaking. I also don't think a feeling of entitlement is out of place when you've paid for a product upfront. CMON stuff is pretty much in pre-order territory these days. (though DUST takes the cake there!) I think a reasonable compromise would be to say upfront on the KS page that they will be at Gencon regardless of anything else or where backer shipping is at that point. Wouldn't effect me in the slightest and automagically cuts off that particular line of complaint from anyone who is to be up in arms about it. It also lets anyone who would be dissatisfied with it to vote with their dollars as well. Don't like it? Don't back it. But again, until that sort of this is said upfront I think it's wrong to disregard those who have issues there. (And like I've said a few times, I'd have an issue with Palladium there but not any other project that I've backed- and that's because Palladium has been lying to their backers since the inception of their campaign.)
At this point as well, though - I think CMON kickstarters (and Zombicide in particular) are at least as much about getting the limited-edition figures the only way they're reasonably available on the backers' side and getting a pile of that sweet, sweet cash a year upfront on CMON's. - we're not really in "it could never happen without your support" territory any more. I don't think Season 3/4/5 would have any trouble if they went through traditional channels and skipped kickstarter entirely at this point.
I do however agree with you 100% on the importance of open, honest and regular communication. The KS that seem to attract the most ire are the ones where the communication is lacking, and deservedly so.
And CMoN only has 3 or 4 full time warehouse employees.
I don't know how many people they have running part time, but since it seems like I get a "we're doing a kickstarter for such an such" every other month or so, they should probably hire a few more...
I figure you'd get a somewhat regular crew of casuals that you could call in for busy periods rather than randoms or volunteers. Do this so that you have the same, competent people rather than unknowns. Get the KS of the day shipped more quickly. More satisfied backers = more money for future campaigns.
gunslingerpro wrote: Anyone else getting a bit burnt out on Zombicide for them to already be talking about season 4?
A little. People will still buy it and eat it up with a spoon for the time being, though. Smart for Guillotine to make as much off it while they can - people will either burn out on it if they keep pumping out annual updates (with only 6 months or so between final fulfilments and new campaigns launching) or just lose interest if they leave it for too long.
gunslingerpro wrote: Anyone else getting a bit burnt out on Zombicide for them to already be talking about season 4?
At first, yes. But after reading this thread and the Season 3 news thread at Boardgame Geek I'm seriously considering pledging again. Originally, my attitude was I've got enough Z-cide stuff so there's no point in getting more, but with the new Skinner and Crawler zombies, and new equipment ... being seduced by the shiny again.
Yeah, I guess they are. Maybe I just haven't played a lot of Season 2 yet, so it seems like I've barely scratched the surface of that one (haven't even used Toxic Mall yet). But that may just be me.
Azazelx wrote:
A little. People will still buy it and eat it up with a spoon for the time being, though. Smart for Guillotine to make as much off it while they can - people will either burn out on it if they keep pumping out annual updates (with only 6 months or so between final fulfilments and new campaigns launching) or just lose interest if they leave it for too long.
It definitely makes sense from a business perspective. Though I think it may benefit slowly transitioning to have some more RPG elements, as the constant updates mean I'll never use half the survivors with the amount of games I play a year. That way I could get some more mileage out of them. Again, this may be due to me moving away from my primary playing group.
Ancestral Hamster wrote: At first, yes. But after reading this thread and the Season 3 news thread at Boardgame Geek I'm seriously considering pledging again. Originally, my attitude was I've got enough Z-cide stuff so there's no point in getting more, but with the new Skinner and Crawler zombies, and new equipment ... being seduced by the shiny again.
Ack! That's what I was afraid of. I don't frequent Geek and the photos on here are work blocked for me, so I've been able to resist. Thus far, anyway...
Azazelx wrote:
A little. People will still buy it and eat it up with a spoon for the time being, though. Smart for Guillotine to make as much off it while they can - people will either burn out on it if they keep pumping out annual updates (with only 6 months or so between final fulfilments and new campaigns launching) or just lose interest if they leave it for too long.
It definitely makes sense from a business perspective. Though I think it may benefit slowly transitioning to have some more RPG elements, as the constant updates mean I'll never use half the survivors with the amount of games I play a year. That way I could get some more mileage out of them. Again, this may be due to me moving away from my primary playing group.
The Kickstarters really play to the Poke'Mon "gotta catch em all"/collector mentality that so many of us have. Otherwise they wouldn't be absolutely brimming with Kickstarter exclusive "homage" characters. They'll keep going to the well until it's dry, I fear.
On the plus side, they are planning on having a longer period of time between seasons 3 and 4 during which time they will focus on the new horror property they have been working on with studio mcvey.
Nothing more than last week of June and with Xenoshyft starting late it might slip a week but KS creators no longer need KS approval to launch new projects under the new rules they can use Launch Now and start when ever they like so no more waiting for approval excuses.
New previews the Heilpad tile
At least 2 of the new Survivors have the Helicopter pilot skill
I have stacks of season 2 stuff, and we've barely even touched it. We haven't done much other than play with the base game, partially due to different locations and the fact that we also own zpocalypse.
Both of the zombie games we have take up a decent amount of room, so if we take board games to one of the local coffee shops, they're usually not going (table size), or we take zpoc instead. I haven't followed all the other websites out there saying "this is coming out for season 3/4/etc." So I'm kinda of waiting for the KS to see what I'll pledge and for what.
Eagles? I haven't even really used the dogs yet..while I can see a use for the dogs, what on earth am I going to do with birds?
In this game I haven't see as much of a need for the doors and stuff, but it would be useful...
I've got my $10 credit for the card number screwup, so I'll probably back something, but I have no idea what.
The Dog companions are great. We used them quite a bit the last time we played. Still haven't used the Prison Stuff (other than a scattering of Red Zombides in our last set of games), but the main thing we have an abundance of is Survivors. 40+. Don't know when we're going to use all of them, especially when we fall into patterns over the characters we like (like Wanda and CTS for me).
We use all the survivors, the dog companions, beserkers, toxic, and hound zombies, as well as all of the equipement cards on a regualr basis.
We don't use the prison and mall tiles all that much, as they seem congested with lots of tiny rooms that it's hard to fit zombies in once you get to red.
I actually mix the dogs in to the equipment pile. I also turned some of the non-English cards into "Found a survivor" cards to get a few more on the board. They start a 0 xp and no equipment, it can change the flow quite a bit.
The equipment cards are becoming a big of a problem now that there are so many of them. If Guillotine's intention is to release a kind of RPG-level expansion that encourages linked play, then they're going to need to release a whole stack of non-weapon equipment cards (like the bottled water, bags of rice, canned food, etc. cards from the original game) and make those sorts of cards intrinsic to survival within the RPG.
Right now, aside from the odd mission objective, those cards are dead cards. If you don't need any and find one whilst searching, then you just discard it. It's not a "health pack", so it doesn't do anything. Making those cards important would be a good first step.
Well that's great, and it could work, but I'm more talking about the quantity of physical cards. Each new expansion has brought with it a wealth of new weapons, but there haven't been any "non-combat" items to go with it, so we have an abundance of weapons where players are ignoring sawn-off shotguns and various blades weapons because they've already got two better shotguns and two better melee weapons. But we still only have the same amount of beans, rice and water as we did when the game came out. For this game to go beyond the basic board-game setup and include an RPG element - something I wholeheartedly support - we need more things that aren't weapons.
Just leave out a bunch of the weapons. I really don't need half a dozen chainsaws in my equipment deck so I leave most of them out, making the couple left worth haggling over. If you don't edit down the equipment deck from multiple sets, missions which require you to search for specific items can take forever as everyone discards dozens of swords, axes, pistols and shotguns while trying to find some mission critical gas among a massive stack of cards.
Also, food items are not useless in missions when they aren't objective items. Considering you must discard an equipment card whenever you are wounded, having canned food on your belt you can drop instead of that assault rifle you've been using is very, very useful.
You must drop an active card, actually. Meaning something useful currently in a hand. So the food doesn't help for that. But I do love the idea of using all food as cookies-makes total sense.
Nope. I was "scammed" once into buy some counter fit minis (confrontation and some others)
I bought them dirt cheap from china via ebay.co.uk
Thought they were legit. They look legit, quality seems to be there with the real minis, but I learned about all the counterfeits.
I was sort of surprised in the efforts to make counterfeits of war game pieces. Watches, purses, clothing seems obvious. Didn't think wargame minis would be on the list.
I've seen a number of counterfeit side show collectible statues on ebay as well. Shame.
The Dave mini without a box looks like a recast it's the wrong colour yellow Dave is a pale yellow not an orangey yellow now a camera might do that but it's to far off IMO to be legit. Marvin also looks wrong the real mini is a much darker blue. Nick and Cholo are closer in colour but still look a little off. I 'd say if it doesn't have the card don't buy it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: and in Season 3 preview news Ravage magazine #14 has some new stuff (originally from BGG)
More BBT - Kabir the pulp writer - Not Raj is in
Sandra the Taxidermist - I'm guessing Daisy Duke
EDIT: Dick Johnson the Undertaker - not Ron Burgundy
Is anyone aware of the Chinese manufacturer producing some of the KS exclusives without consent from GG/CMON?
I've see a number of the KS exclusives on ebay coming from China. No box, no stat card. Jut the mini.
Huh. Did not know this.
PMing you some ebay links in a moment.
You can judge for your self, I could be wrong, but feel as if they are counterfeits.
Well, one things for sure, GG sure can't complain that they are loosing sales due to such figures
Edit: That said, while I do detest their approach to kickstarter exclusives I do begrudgingly respect them for keeping their promise to the backers.. so this news has still gotta suck for them.
timetowaste85 wrote: You must drop an active card, actually. Meaning something useful currently in a hand. So the food doesn't help for that. But I do love the idea of using all food as cookies-makes total sense.
It doesn't actually say in any of the season 1, TCM or PO rulebooks that you have to drop an active card equipped in hand, only that you must discard an equipment card if possible and the wound card replaces it. In the more detailed example of an attack in TCM pg 8 Raoul drops cookies when wounded instead of any weapons (but then Raoul starts with webbing which doesn't really help clarify anything).
DaveC wrote: The Dave mini without a box looks like a recast it's the wrong colour yellow Dave is a pale yellow not an orangey yellow now a camera might do that but it's to far off IMO to be legit. Marvin also looks wrong the real mini is a much darker blue. Nick and Cholo are closer in colour but still look a little off. I 'd say if it doesn't have the card don't buy it.
You know, if they were reasonably priced, I'd be tempted. I've got no real qualms about buying recasts of things that aren't available - not that it's been an issue in the past. At those prices, though, you may as well just go with nicer alternative metal figures (for most characters) from Heresy, Hasslefree, 7TV, etc...
Piston Honda wrote: I will throw a fit if they don't have Jay and silent bob as well as Penn and teller.
I really don't think CMON will ever produce a knock-off of Jay and Silent Bob, they got their hand slapped by Miramax during the first Kickstarter for featuring both the Kill Bill bride 'Eva' and the Pulp Fiction 'Martin' as models and CMON were forced to change their overall designs after the Kickstarter. Miramax were the company that published both Pulp Fiction and the Kill Bill, and they were also responsible for the original Clerks movie and Jay and Silent Bob: Strike back. So i just can't see CMON touching them unless they want to potentially bring the hammer back down on themselves again.
Piston Honda wrote: I will throw a fit if they don't have Jay and silent bob as well as Penn and teller.
I really don't think CMON will ever produce a knock-off of Jay and Silent Bob, they got their hand slapped by Miramax during the first Kickstarter for featuring both the Kill Bill bride 'Eva' and the Pulp Fiction 'Martin' as models and CMON were forced to change their overall designs after the Kickstarter. Miramax were the company that published both Pulp Fiction and the Kill Bill, and they were also responsible for the original Clerks movie and Jay and Silent Bob: Strike back. So i just can't see CMON touching them unless they want to potentially bring the hammer back down on themselves again.
How come other companies have not done the same?
Don't these models fall under the use of Parody and not an exact ripoff?
From what I understand they do come under parody / fair use but fighting Miramax in court would be a costly and time consuming affair. Much easier for GG just to slightly change the figures and avoid using any Miramax owned characters in the future.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wont repost here but there is a bit more information from S3 from Ravage magazine here -
Season 1 core game and the the characters from season 2 with missing numbers are all free the rest is paid for that includes Season 1 promos. They are split into packs I think it's about $10 all in. S2 and TCM being more expensive than character packs.
Tried it on the iphone it's a bit buggy right now but it does work I think this was more designed for ipads/tablets.
And they confirmed that everyone who backs season 3 that also backed season 2 gets cards for all exclusive characters (from 1 and 2) due to numbers not showing up, right? Woot!!
I believe the plan was that season 2 backers get some credit ($10 rings a bell) which they can either use to get copies of all promotional character cards (including season 1 promos) or spend on something else if they didn't mind not having the non-numbered cards.
It’s no big secret that we will be launching Season 3 of Zombicide soon, sometime in Q2. As a way of expressing our apologies for the inconvenience having to use the dashboards with the missing numbers, we will be providing backers that backed both Season 2 and Season 3 with a $10 credit to be applied to any Season 3 optional items in the CoolMiniOrNot pledge manager; this will happen automatically if you use the same email address on S3 as you did S2 - if not CoolMiniorNot will be able to link your accounts after the S3 campaign is complete.
We will also be providing free dashboards for all season 1 and season 2 promos and exclusives to any backer of Season 3 with necessary updates and amendments made (if any), so as to include those of you who missed season 1 or any of the optional exclusives (which you can then proxy other models for). This will also have the added benefit of being inclusive to new backers who want to join us in the world of Zombicide so they aren't left out of any gameplay.
My reading of that is every S3 backer gets the reprinted cards as part of their pledge and S2 backers also get $10 credit - the $10 isn't meant to pay for the reprinted cards.
DaveC wrote: The latest CMoN newsletter confirms Sunday June 29th as the launch date for season 3.
Well,
This is good and not so good. Some set his apartment on fire, and the entire building with it on the 16th, and I lost everything from season 2 out of zombicide, except for the base game, my mustache pack and fred.
I still get my $10 credit, but I haven't a friggin' clue what I"ll back now.
I assume they mean EDT as it's summer time and CMoN are in Atlanta Georgia which uses EDT (the newsletter says EST though) but anyway BST is +5 hours CEST +6
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also remember the zombie Elvis impersonator and the village people looking Zombies they are a special box(es) of VIP zombies
This is set#10 - Season 2 got to #6 with the Companion Dogs, so lots more box sets to come
Automatically Appended Next Post: Miguel Coimbra's guest box
With them working on another game, and already stating it will be a longer, than the usual 1 year, gap between zombicide releases, I got the feeling they are going all out on this one.
There are a lot of us speculating the dice will show up as an add-on.
Season 2 had all of the season 1 dice available. It's pretty easy to just order an additional color to fill orders, and at $10 a set of 6 dice they have to be profitable.
So after it all turned out, even with my $10 credit, I ended up not backing Season 3. That was a bit of a crunch window for us in terms of just starting to replace everything after the fire. We play zombicide the least out of our zombie games, and decided not to spend the money on the KS.
Have they been better on keeping things on track thus far?
Well, a month ago they said "everything is still on track" for the Feb delivery date, and US backers have gotten their base boxes shipped to them already.
No news other than that, but also no news on boats. Not to the US, let alone AU or EU so based on other things (like WoK, and because Kickstarter) I'm expecting it to be late. How late? Who knows?
Azazelx wrote: Well, a month ago they said "everything is still on track" for the Feb delivery date, and US backers have gotten their base boxes shipped to them already.
No news other than that, but also no news on boats. Not to the US, let alone AU or EU so based on other things (like WoK, and because Kickstarter) I'm expecting it to be late. How late? Who knows?
At least they were early with the base boxes (to the U.S. at least) by about 2 months, so that might be a first for one of these large gaming Kickstarters...
While I think it's great that anyone got even some of their stuff early (seriously!), no news on shipping in a month for any of the rest of it makes me very dubious. No boat names, no "it's on it's way", just quiet (and a stream of painted pics of WoK models without any actual info on those.)
Azazelx wrote: While I think it's great that anyone got even some of their stuff early (seriously!), no news on shipping in a month for any of the rest of it makes me very dubious. No boat names, no "it's on it's way", just quiet (and a stream of painted pics of WoK models without any actual info on those.)
They shipped out season 3 early to make room at the warehouse. Why sit on product they've already sold when they can move it and make space for more product they can actually sell. Space is a premium, shipping it to Australia is an expense.
Azazelx wrote: Well, a month ago they said "everything is still on track" for the Feb delivery date, and US backers have gotten their base boxes shipped to them already.
More like they've *started* to ship to US. I'm certainly still waiting.
Azazelx wrote: Well, a month ago they said "everything is still on track" for the Feb delivery date, and US backers have gotten their base boxes shipped to them already.
More like they've *started* to ship to US. I'm certainly still waiting.
Did you finish the pledge manager before the deadline? They were saying that US backers who didn't finish it by the deadline wouldn't get their stuff in that early shipment.
Azazelx wrote: Well, a month ago they said "everything is still on track" for the Feb delivery date, and US backers have gotten their base boxes shipped to them already.
More like they've *started* to ship to US. I'm certainly still waiting.
Did you also check for a shipping confirmation in your email? I did and the fedex tracker showed their was a problem with the shipping label. I emailed CMoN and they fixed it and sent Rue Morgue out to me a couple of days later.
Azazelx wrote: While I think it's great that anyone got even some of their stuff early (seriously!), no news on shipping in a month for any of the rest of it makes me very dubious. No boat names, no "it's on it's way", just quiet (and a stream of painted pics of WoK models without any actual info on those.)
They shipped out season 3 early to make room at the warehouse. Why sit on product they've already sold when they can move it and make space for more product they can actually sell. Space is a premium, shipping it to Australia is an expense.
Not sure I see your point? Or if you even have one?
Mine was that we've heard nothing for quite awhile. I've got no issues with them shipping some stuff to local backers early. My concern is that we've not heard anything on any of the rest of it being in transit to anywhere, and we're now at a point in KS-land when talking about ship names and containers is very much a thing.
Azazelx wrote: While I think it's great that anyone got even some of their stuff early (seriously!), no news on shipping in a month for any of the rest of it makes me very dubious. No boat names, no "it's on it's way", just quiet (and a stream of painted pics of WoK models without any actual info on those.)
They shipped out season 3 early to make room at the warehouse. Why sit on product they've already sold when they can move it and make space for more product they can actually sell. Space is a premium, shipping it to Australia is an expense.
Not sure I see your point? Or if you even have one?
Mine was that we've heard nothing for quite awhile. I've got no issues with them shipping some stuff to local backers early. My concern is that we've not heard anything on any of the rest of it being in transit to anywhere, and we're now at a point in KS-land when talking about ship names and containers is very much a thing.
Have you paid attention to the updates? February has been and still is the projecting shipping date so do you have a point?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/zombicide-season-3/posts Nothing is shipping, projected to ship or in transit to anywhere accept Rue Morgue which shipped AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, to US backers simply because space was needed at their warehouse. Not sure what you are complaining. About, and in fact you have nothing to complain about.
I ask because I got a shipping notification, but I have no idea who it's from beyond "Ikon Collectables", from whom I have two other notifications yet I've never ordered anything from them, so it has to be the trading name of another business.
I ask because I got a shipping notification, but I have no idea who it's from beyond "Ikon Collectables", from whom I have two other notifications yet I've never ordered anything from them, so it has to be the trading name of another business.
Ikon Collectables are the distribution arm of Popcultcha, located in Geelong. They sell Hot Toys and Sideshow Collectables and all that sort of stuff. They also appear to be CMoN's current AU distributors, since my Arcadia Quest stuff was sent from them last year. I also got a pre-ship notice from them yesterday and something arrived today. I'm assuming that the parcel that arrived today at my place is Wrath of Kings.
Well, that really sucks. Something so last minute and so far out of their control has to be pretty frustrating, especially since it was a kickstarter that was on track to launch on time...
I mentioned above a couple of times that no updates since 18th of December was pretty suspect, to put it mildly (despite the Knight who thought he knew otherwise! ) I personally think it's most likely been off track for some time, and we've only been told now that it's actually February - when people will start expecting their stuff...
Yep...that's about what I expected. Still better than my artisan dice kickstarter..which still hasn't delivered some of its rewards to backers. Never allow your backers to throw on a bazillion add on pledges after the main KS is over....therefore increasing the campaign and not allowing for an increase in time to fulfill things...
NecronLord3 wrote: Did you also check for a shipping confirmation in your email? I did and the fedex tracker showed their was a problem with the shipping label. I emailed CMoN and they fixed it and sent Rue Morgue out to me a couple of days later.
No shipping confirmation. Read about backers who received the confirmation a few days after delivery. What problem did you see with the Fedex tracker? I did check my pledge manager, and the address is correct. I sent an email three weeks ago, with follow-up emails requesting a status, and no replies! TIA for your help!
EDIT: Just used their zendesk (website help desk), and I see the request is still open. Sent a request for a status and included the packing slips from the pledge manager. At least it doesn't say shipped, so the package hasn't been lost?
Update #60
Shipping Update 02/24/2015
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
Hi,
I just wanted to chime in on the status of shipping for Zombicide: Season 3. As previously stated in our update on 02/06/2015 we are waiting on the last few shipping containers to arrive. We still have an outstanding container that is preventing us from shipping out. This containers is stuck in the shipping slowdown that is still affecting the entire west coast. This is making it difficult to give an estimate on Zombicide: Season 3's deliver.
Regarding the EU, we had received assurance from our production and shipping facility in China that Zombicide: Season 3 would ship out prior to Chinese New Year. We are still waiting to receive the container tracking numbers for our EU shipment. We have contacted both our facility in China and our Hub in the EU for confirmation and are still waiting for an answer. As it is Chinese new year right now, we'll probably hear from the EU hub first
With the Australia and New Zealand pledges, we have confirmation that those orders have been packed and are on the water, in transit. We are still waiting on confirmation of the tracking numbers for the containers. Once we have that information we will include them in the following update.
As always, thank you for your support of this project.
We've got some updated shipping information for you guys today:
As mentioned in a previous update USA, Canada, and Central and South America are waiting on a final container to be released from the port and put on rail. We'll update you as things progress.
For EU there are multiple containers on their way to our shipping hub. These containers are going to arrive in waves, a few at a time. Here's the schedule for the estimated arrival of these containers:
Container 1 V/V.: MSC VANDYA / 505W ETD: Feb 05th, 2015 ETA : Mar 05th, 2015
Container 2-3-4 V/V.: MSC CRISTINA / 506W ETD: Feb 12th, 2015 ETA : Mar 12th, 2015
Container 5 V/V.: MSC AURORA / 507W ETD: Feb 19th, 2015 ETA : Mar 19th, 2015
EU backers' pledges are already packed in their shipping boxes in these containers, so they will ship out as the containers come in.
The container for Australia and New Zealand should be arriving soon. We have an estimated arrival date of February 28. Those packages will be sent out as they come in.
APAC pledges will begin shipping out from our factory in China in March, we will update you when that process begins and when we start sending out tracking numbers.
Things are getting close and we're just as excited as you guys are for the game to get out to you!
Mine arrived thursday, a bit of a mixup though as 1 carton was mine the other carton was zombicide but for someone else in the same suburb with the same first name lol
Hope they didnt want their pledge for the weekend, hopefully fixed on monday
Now the problem becomes how will I collect it. I go to work each morning too early to go to their early collection, and come home too late to get there before they close... and this Saturday is Easter Saturday. Hmm...
H.B.M.C. wrote: Oh wow. That's pretty cool.
Now the problem becomes how will I collect it. I go to work each morning too early to go to their early collection, and come home too late to get there before they close... and this Saturday is Easter Saturday. Hmm...
FYI: The 2 pledges I have seen were both through Toll, not Aust Post
Damn it's a lot of stuff! I'm actually starting to feel a bit overwhelmed by all my Zombicide bits. What are other people doing about storage with Zombicide? Do you keep all the single miniature/special guest boxes?
Smacks wrote: Received mine today. I live in the UK South East.
Damn it's a lot of stuff! I'm actually starting to feel a bit overwhelmed by all my Zombicide bits. What are other people doing about storage with Zombicide? Do you keep all the single miniature/special guest boxes?
I bought the battle foam trays to store my season 1 and season 2 figures, but then I painted all my stuff so I wanted quality foam storage. That being said, I'm backing a KS by Mantis Creations that will store all of my stuff in one/two boxes rather than four, five when my Angry Neighbors arrives.
Smacks wrote: Received mine today. I live in the UK South East.
Damn it's a lot of stuff! I'm actually starting to feel a bit overwhelmed by all my Zombicide bits. What are other people doing about storage with Zombicide? Do you keep all the single miniature/special guest boxes?
I have boxes of unopened characters packs around my house. they sort of become house ornaments. Kitchen table, book cases, on the tv stand, fire place.
For the pieces I do have opened, I used a large sure fresh container to keep the zombies in, separating them by type. and smaller sure fresh containers for the survivors separating them by male and female. Got them at a dollar store.
Then carry them all in a large plastic container from a really useful box company
this is how I store all my board games, they have boxes that are perfect for board games. And they stack better on my book shelves and when I take them on the go don't have to worry about cheap cardboard splitting or getting worn out.
this is how I store all my board games, they have boxes that are perfect for board games. And they stack better on my book shelves and when I take them on the go don't have to worry about cheap cardboard splitting or getting worn out.
Yeah, I think having the game spread through so many different boxes is what makes it difficult. It can be really awkward when you have to go looking for something to set up a game, and there are 5+ boxes of stuff to rummage through.
Those boxes look perfect (and available in the UK too!). Thanks for sharing the link Piston Honda.
Smacks wrote: Damn it's a lot of stuff! I'm actually starting to feel a bit overwhelmed by all my Zombicide bits. What are other people doing about storage with Zombicide? Do you keep all the single miniature/special guest boxes?
Storage for zombie minis was what originally got me walking into a GW store in the first place. "I'm looking for something to store all these zombie miniatures in..." Oops. I never did buy anything to put all my miniatures for zombicide and zpocalypse in. Haven't gotten around to painting those either, and I had originally planned on painting my Zpocalypse terrain.
Out of what was rescued from the apartment fire, I still have maybe 2 extra "bits". They stay in the extra single boxes. We tend to play Zpoc more than Zombicide when we play a zombie game, probably because that's the game we had first, and it's a bit easier to setup and explain. Also, in terms of board games, most of the stuff we lost was from zombicide...I have the base game, and maybe 2 other items now, when I had a ton of stuff from season 2 before the fire. The zpocalypse stuff that I lost I was able to replace, as well.
I think someone over at coolmini secretly despises me and makes sure my package gets shipped last.
I always pledge sweet spot with CMON with no addons and for some reason my packages always ship on the first day or the last day. I can't really think of any time when I was in the middle of the pack. No Zombicide for me yet, but I have XenShyft already.
Low_K wrote: Anyone from the EU received their pledge already? Still nothing here :(
Anyone from CA or USA not receive their pledge yet? STILL nothing here, ANOTHER follow-up email sent to customer so-called service.
Nope, I got mine two days ago.
They just started shipping in the US, so, you know, chill out and let the Aussie's get theirs first, for once.
Except for the base boxes that you guys got last year. But either way, shipping from China> Australia makes a lot more sense than China > USA > Australia, and is a hell of a lot cheaper as well as faster, too!
Except for the base boxes that you guys got last year. But either way, shipping from China> Australia makes a lot more sense than China > USA > Australia, and is a hell of a lot cheaper as well as faster, too!
Oh, I forgot about that, I guess because I'm a slacker and didn't have my PM closed then
I didn't even read the post, assuming it was an April fools joke.
Funny enough, my gaming group had come up with the same idea, after season 1. We wrote up all the weapons and some characters, but the idea stalled when they expected me to photoshop an entire decks worth of cards.
Needless to say, if they did this it would be awesome.
Also, Warhammer Fantasy and Kings Of War players would snatch these up for the zombies alone.
Something I just noticed look at the graphic under the crossbow's name versus the one under the sword. That looks to me like you have to be in orange to use the crossbow, interesting
) there are 12 survivors and none of them are "veterans" of Season 1. The ability to form teams of survivors is present, as well as the competitive mode , although it is optional , the heart of the game remaining cooperation. There are a lot of new things in the rules, such as a different management of Invasion areas, Team Actions and many other surprises. There's an extension in the TCM box format provided , as well as additional boxes of figurines which bring their share of surprises and novelties.
