The hope is that postal costs to send the whole thing from the US are now so high that it will be cheaper (or at least basically cost neutral) for Adam & KD to
containerise the whole lot (after packing and labelling in the US, paying an independent service elsewhere to do it with the variety of options is going to be expensive) send it to somewhere in the EU (thus paying the VAT himself) and then pay a shipping service to post it the EU
so he does not loose any (significant amount of) money, and we EU backers don't get big nasty tax bills
(although said tax bills were something we all should have been prepared for as we were never guaranteed we wouldn't get them)
NoseGoblin wrote: There is no dodging the tax man, not in any meaningful way. Without manufacturing and or assembly within the EU there are really no options.
You can use a freight forwarder to bring a bulk shipment in but there will be someone paid to send it to the backers that will cost. That cost will be passed to you. It essentially becomes a wash.
He could have it assemble in the EU, chances are, the same result as above. This is why I have a link on the front page of my website to my overseas retailers. Even if I run a 30% off sale it costs the customer a small amount more than if they had purchased it locally at full retail.
Given that Mark here has actual experience fulfilling Kickstarter internationally (3 Waves, no less!), I think his comment holds a bit of weight.
Logistics is expensive, and there is not much in the way of getting around it.
Now, where Adam has some advantage over Mark, is that Adam could be sending a container to Europe, versus pallets or packages. That scale could help bring cost down, but it surely won't help the fulfillment timeline.
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: (although said tax bills were something we all should have been prepared for as we were never guaranteed we wouldn't get them)
This should have been people's default expectation all along.
I'm just hoping that shipping doesn't break the bank.
zedmeister wrote: Please have an European distribution plan. Please oh please oh please
At this stage, don't count on it. It was never a high priority and it has never been researched. But hey, we paid a small fee for the shipping of something so colossal, so the only problem we'll be having is the inevitable customs bill. It's not a win-win, but as far as US Kickstarters go, this one is still more favourable than many others out there who, to quote a certain despicable witch on these forums, hide behind "ROW doesn't count in our eyes" as the perfect excuse.
I saw a few people posting that there were still looking for individuals who might be willing to part with their pledges... If anyone does, feel free to message me, as I may indeed need to part with my gigantic pledge.
Aside from that, I have to say that Adam has been great to interact with. Seeing how transparent, humble, and candid he has been throughout this process has made what could have been miserable, long wait, instead been fascinating. It really feels like we have been on the journey with him.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I saw a few people posting that there were still looking for individuals who might be willing to part with their pledges... If anyone does, feel free to message me, as I may indeed need to part with my gigantic pledge.
Aside from that, I have to say that Adam has been great to interact with. Seeing how transparent, humble, and candid he has been throughout this process has made what could have been miserable, long wait, instead been fascinating. It really feels like we have been on the journey with him.
I bumped from the Game & Dragon to Herald level when the PM reopened, and I had felt like I had spent both too much, and not enough. I still feel that way, but realistically, I wasn't going for completion and will have plenty enough regardless.
Adam is a great person, just not an excellent project manager. Still, things are getting done on a huge scale, so that's pretty good.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Since I pledged for a lot of add ons and not the main box, I don't believe I benefit from any of these time consuming improvements. Whatever. I just want it to arrive before Torn freaking Armor does. I doubt I'll have it before Total Extinction, Deadzone 2 or even MEdge.
You can at least count on it looking better than all of those at least.
That's something...
Right?
I guess. Surely I'll never find another mini with such sharply-sculpted baby fingers.
But I've never been as obsessed with sculpting and casting quality as I have with the conversion utility and aesthetic of a miniature.
I'm still impressed by the sculpts, aside from the unarmored multi-poses, so as a models & minis person, I'm pretty happy with it.
And it's not like Adam didn't add a bunch of conversion bits to the game, because he could (though extra legs and torsos would have been a better decision).
At the end of the day, I believe Adam will deliver everything, and it will be awesome. OTOH, from a casual look at Torn, Alyssa looks to be out of funds and out of time, with no good options to recover and deliver.
Is it terrible that I don't even care about the models any more? I mean, I do... but I have mountains of great models. I personally want an amazing RPG-esque, campaign cooperative game.
The Civilization/Monster Hunter fan in me backed this one. :-p
Right there with you. I purchased the Experiment of Death in plastic and was not impressed. Dont get me wrong, I fully understand this is a board game and im not expecting Show quality miniatures but I do not look forward to assembling any for this board game,
18lbs is also absurd, and looking back and now thinking about it, armor kits for every individual monster encounter seems like over kill. I cant imagine how long its going to take me to muster up the energy to assemble and paint each kind so someone can swap out the fur armor guy for the bone armor guy...
We've agreed to just magnetize the heads and work it out from there. Magnetizing every bit and bob of a model would be too much work, not to mention fiddly.
Chopxsticks wrote: Right there with you. I purchased the Experiment of Death in plastic and was not impressed. Dont get me wrong, I fully understand this is a board game and im not expecting Show quality miniatures but I do not look forward to assembling any for this board game,
18lbs is also absurd, and looking back and now thinking about it, armor kits for every individual monster encounter seems like over kill. I cant imagine how long its going to take me to muster up the energy to assemble and paint each kind so someone can swap out the fur armor guy for the bone armor guy...
Just to clear something up- the Experiment of Death is PVC, what the game was originally going to be made in. The quality wasn't up to snuff, so it was changed to HIPS. You can buy an example of that quality with the Pinups of Death set. It's miles better than the experiment.
No problem. It's really easy to compare the quality difference between the two since they both include Twilight Knight Pinups. Detail is a lot crisper, and the sword isn't nearly so...wavy as it is in PVC.
Yeah, WGF has done an incredible job in capturing resin detail as they moved it to HIPS. Plus the scale-ups of the largest models. It's very much improved over the early PVC stuff.
Yeah, the Experiment was made in PVC a good while ago too- at least 2-3 years. PVC manufacturing itself has evolved some since then. Hopefully the newer kickstarter projects coming out have resolved some of the issues with the earlier iterations of the material.
I understand that there was a variant of the Lion Knight miniature that was released only via the Black Friday grab bags.
I'm looking rather desperately for one, so if anyone is willing to sell it, please do let me know! I'm willing to consider any price quotes, even those with 3 figures..
Please please sell it to me if you have it!
P.S: actually, I'm also interested in any other variant sculpts that exists, please do contact me for those as well!
That Mountain Man really feels like he belongs in Berserk.
I'm glad that it sounds like we'll finally be getting our stuff soon. I do hope that either he or Wargames Factory will be selling the monster and armor addons for the game afterwards.
I'm not surprised that he's got some expansions planned. I really like the designs for these two.
BrookM wrote: Loving the Distracted pin-up, nice and cheeky.
I'm a little flustered I missed it, but I have a slim hope there'll be a few copies at gencon. I know the CMoN booth has had miniatures that were out of stock for sale there before. The Forge God for one example.
BrookM wrote: Loving the Distracted pin-up, nice and cheeky.
Aren't all the pinups cheeky?
Much like the fighter and (especially) the thief, I love the mage. I really hope he eventually does a box set of the fantasy hero classes in plastic. I love all the new stuff, actually. Mountain man is creepy. That ring-tailed fox expansion for Monster sounds delightful, and I love the armor concept art. I don't care how much the major expansions are going to be outside of the KS (I bought everything I wanted the first time around ), I'll need to get that one.
BrookM wrote: This one in particular though gives off a good pin-up vibe in my opinion.
He mentions in the description it's not technically a pinup- it's sorta half and half. Reminds me most of the Scribe. Her features aren't really exaggerated like the Pinups.
I do enjoy the larger size models for the pinup line since they're intended primarily as show pieces and don't have gaming applications, the 54 mm scale is nice.
I'm also a fan of the Archivist model and having a pinup-esque version is very neat. Especially as others have pointed out that this particular iteration wasn't intended as a pinup in the first place.
Curious about the price tag. Most of the comparable KD figures of this size are between $20 and $40. Maybe the books make it more expensive?
I'd also suspect there may be more rejects during casting as it's called out as for experienced modelers only and for resin that usually indicates plenty of thin, fragile tricky to assemble (and cast) stuff
Which was only frustrating because it included game content
Which I ended up buying! My new rule when it comes to any potential KD purchases - No Game Content, No Buy. I've got enough decorative and collectable pieces littering my miniature todo bins
Marco Garcia was hired to digitally scan previously hand sculpted miniatures that are/have been available in resin the only reason I can think of for this is for future plastic production.
Marco Garcia was hired to digitally scan previously hand sculpted miniatures that are/have been available in resin the only reason I can think of for this is for future plastic production.
Was he the guy that converted the Gorm, etc. from resin to plastic?
Scan from resin to plastic happened in KD:M for several models - you'd have to hunt through the Updates, but Adam covered many of them, with the digital enhancements as he moved from resin to plastic.
Just received a shipping notification for my last KD store purchase, so I'm assuming everyone's orders should be shipping out soon, if they haven't already.
Sinful Hero wrote: Just received a shipping notification for my last KD store purchase, so I'm assuming everyone's orders should be shipping out soon, if they haven't already.
I don't think so - Adam is assembling things into the boxes, which then need to be sent overseas through customs to the various distribution hubs. We're at least a month out.
Sinful Hero wrote: Just received a shipping notification for my last KD store purchase, so I'm assuming everyone's orders should be shipping out soon, if they haven't already.
I don't think so - Adam is assembling things into the boxes, which then need to be sent overseas through customs to the various distribution hubs. We're at least a month out.
Are you talking about store orders or the kickstarter? I was talking about the store.
The problem with creating limited edition minis is that it creates a chinacast market. I really wanted the Ammo slave but price was too much and when I saw it for the first time it was sold out anyway and on ebay for $150. Got 5 of them for $4 each from China, will be the same with the Distracted. Saw it for the first time in this thread today, $150 on ebay, I'm sure I will be able to get it from china for $4-6 each.
10second search and it's available for $16 from china, normally KD models cost 45Yuan, this one is 100 for some reason.
You could wait for reissues, like with the ammo slave.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also Gencon is coming up soon- the CMoN booth usually has a selection of KD minis. I'd be happy to post a list of what they have available on Thursday morning of the convention(first day that the dealer hall is open).
I'd be willing to pick up items and ship them for a few folks if need be. I'd expect them to cover the expenses though.
Sinful Hero wrote: You could wait for reissues, like with the ammo slave.
I thought Limited Edition, Limited Run etc meant they would never create any more? So it's just false advertisement to create demand? Similar to Nintendo and those amebo things that or whatever it is Nintendo isn't producing enough of so people sell them at 500% markup.
Also $25 for a single model is too rich for my taste. It's a problem of item costs to much and isn't available so recasters sees an opportunity to make a little bit of money.
You can't claim original is always better quality or whatever since recasters in my experience makes models of better quality than originals since they don't want people to do chargebacks and such.
I've been following the recast market for years and at first it was just a few FW items, now it's whole GW kits and 99% of the FW lineup, after this came a few KD limited edition models here and there, now it's the entire KD model range including everything that was limited edition. Raging Heroes models are now popping up here and there.
I've never seen Gundam recasts or other chinese or japanese models as recasts, I'm sure they exist but I have never seen any.
Recasters are becoming a huge problem and will always be a problem for things that are too expensive. Mantic models will never get recast because they are priced appropriately. It's no longer worth buying anything second hand either as it's probably recast stuff you are getting, heck I see stores claming to sell KD originals, FW, GW etc etc etc at discounts every week yet I don't believe for a second that they are original kits as claimed.
People who can afford it will buy original kits from the creator, once that is sold out and people who can't afford them will get them from other sources. This is how society has always worked and always will work. Someone will always take advantage of someone elses work as long as it is profitable to do so.
Bah, enough of me, don't want to derail this thread.
Limited run means he only casts about 500 or so. The first run comes with a collectors card signed and numbered.
So to answer your question, yes. One could also argue that as a boutique miniature line he can't afford to make a lot of something just to not have it sell. He still has first run male and female apotheosis's in his shop I believe.
Ammo slave was just rereleased. Some things are still hard to get hold of even when they reissue. It does get frustrating some times, because unless you watch your email like a hawk(after signing up for it of course) you can wake up at 7am and everything is sold out.
Sinful Hero wrote: Just received a shipping notification for my last KD store purchase, so I'm assuming everyone's orders should be shipping out soon, if they haven't already.
I don't think so - Adam is assembling things into the boxes, which then need to be sent overseas through customs to the various distribution hubs. We're at least a month out.
Are you talking about store orders or the kickstarter? I was talking about the store.
Sinful Hero wrote: Just received a shipping notification for my last KD store purchase, so I'm assuming everyone's orders should be shipping out soon, if they haven't already.
I don't think so - Adam is assembling things into the boxes, which then need to be sent overseas through customs to the various distribution hubs. We're at least a month out.
Are you talking about store orders or the kickstarter? I was talking about the store.
Kickstarter, of course. Sorry for the confusion.
No problem. But hopefully the kickstarter will start shipping soon too.
Sinful Hero wrote: You could wait for reissues, like with the ammo slave.
I thought Limited Edition, Limited Run etc meant they would never create any more? So it's just false advertisement to create demand?
This is correct. The "Limited Edition" comes with a signed card of authenticity, but after that, more copies will be available eventually. The ONLY figure that is truly limited is the #1 Ed of the Forsaker, simply because it was too hard to cast properly. This is the only figure Adam has said will never be released again.
There are also certain other things which can be considered truly limited. Such as some of the items contained in the Black Friday Grab Bags which I was, very unfortunately, too late to procure.
I have been truly blessed! Poots must have chosen me as the one true White Knight! I will spread word of his glories far and wide, and do my best to quell the spiteful rage of the haters!
100 years from now a scientist will break into the museum where the box will be held in state and steal it to reverse engineer the genetic material on the box. Time and again the scientist will fail and abhorrent creatures covered in genitalia will be released into the world creating havoc. Later once finally successful it will be determined that it's not the great Adam Poots that was resurrected, but some unknown postal worker. News will spread far and wide in a short time and society will collapse upon itself in a rage and the creatures that were previously released will hunt down the survivors. So in some ways YOU have created the future.....Thanks for the Penis Dogs
DaveC wrote: I think Adam has just saved me €170 in VAT and fees! Happy days (mine will definitely be heavy)
..... We do have a warehouse in Germany and currently the heavy EU rewards will be fulfilled from there. I will go into hyper specific detail once I finish this big fulfillment update!
DaveC wrote: Looks like it's split shipping with the expansions shipping later
Creator Kingdom Death about 1 hour ago
Upcoming shipment is everything except expansions. Those are still in print and assembly. Tho the miniature production for them as been finished since feb 2015. I am happy with the factories we worked with, however in the future I can say I'll have a much better idea of what a "factories-timeline" actually looks like. Being that this is my first mass production product (and that its bigger and heavier then any similar game on the market) I shouldn't have taken the initial time estimates at face value. I am of course responsible in the end, I just thought some of you might like to know. No big deal!
It seems it might actually be cheaper to split the orders
Creator Kingdom Death about 1 hour ago
... I honestly wish we could group them. But the box dimension and weight of a typical order took it to FREIGHT class shipping! hahahaha Its just not possible!
It looks like the plan is still to control online sales to prevent discounting but it will be available to FLGS.
Creator Kingdom Death about 4 hours ago
Retail. My current plan is a little different then the usual. (Unless a distributor comes along and makes me an offer I can't refuse for business reasons!) We are going to continue to keep everything close to our chest and limit the number of places our inventory is available online. However, i DO want to support local stores that are interested in Kingdom Death, to the very extent of our ability. I feel there is tremendous value in organized events and bringing the community closer together. Online sales... they just can't do that. I envision us creating special decks that go out to stores, that may even have unique rewards for players bringing them down. Maybe even a monster of the month, or even of the week! It would be pretty easy for us to print a unique variant of a miniature that could be unique to an individual gaming store. Imagine, going on a road trip with some friends to go and battle the Silver Eyed Cat of (your local game store) or the Black Tailed Phoenix of (a faraway friends local game store). You could even bring along your hall of hero's fallen miniatures that met their grim end and have been painted up nice for their retirement!
but I fear once in the hands of an LGS (at appropriate wholesale price) said store owners may not be able to resist discounting
and intriguing as the special store decks might be the completionists heads are going to explode.....(Aaaargh the Bucket of Blood in Austin Texas USA has a special deck, but I live in Japan)
Estimated shipping October 2015 directly following backer distribution
* EU Orders ship from our EU Warehouse.
* Australian Orders ship from our Australian Warehouse.
* Ships separately from other orders.
I'd say that EU and Australia distribution is limited to preorders by July 20th as they will be going in the same containers as backer orders after that taxes are your responsibility
Good catch, Dave. The best bet for anyone wanting to get a copy before the price balloons to full retail + shipping & import duties.
I wonder what, if anything, Adam will come up with as far as pricing KD:M more competitively. It's boutique to be sure, but a cheaper version of the game would certainly lower the barrier to entry.
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Also, want to mention again that there is a KD store restock for those that missed it on the previous page.
DaveC wrote:It looks like the plan is still to control online sales to prevent discounting but it will be available to FLGS.
Creator Kingdom Death about 4 hours ago
Retail. My current plan is a little different then the usual. (Unless a distributor comes along and makes me an offer I can't refuse for business reasons!) We are going to continue to keep everything close to our chest and limit the number of places our inventory is available online. However, i DO want to support local stores that are interested in Kingdom Death, to the very extent of our ability. I feel there is tremendous value in organized events and bringing the community closer together. Online sales... they just can't do that. I envision us creating special decks that go out to stores, that may even have unique rewards for players bringing them down. Maybe even a monster of the month, or even of the week! It would be pretty easy for us to print a unique variant of a miniature that could be unique to an individual gaming store. Imagine, going on a road trip with some friends to go and battle the Silver Eyed Cat of (your local game store) or the Black Tailed Phoenix of (a faraway friends local game store). You could even bring along your hall of hero's fallen miniatures that met their grim end and have been painted up nice for their retirement!
Micro-exclusives. Wonderful
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:and intriguing as the special store decks might be the completionists heads are going to explode.....(Aaaargh the Bucket of Blood in Austin Texas USA has a special deck, but I live in Japan)
Yep. Ebay scrapers are going to have a field day with this one.
It appeared to me that the special monster/deck would be a one-of used by the store- not for sale.
Essentially to go to a store to fight the monster, not to buy it.
Missed out on the thief before- glad I had to get up earlier than usual today.
Sinful Hero wrote: It appeared to me that the special monster/deck would be a one-of used by the store- not for sale.
Essentially to go to a store to fight the monster, not to buy it.
Missed out on the thief before- glad I had to get up earlier than usual today.
Well I cant see a single local store around me playing this game on a table for just anyone to walk up and see Penis monsters. Maybe an hour drive up to Portland since they are throwing dildos over their power lines now. I really dont see this game being a thing outside of the website and a few specialty shops.
cincydooley wrote: Yeah, I'm in no way, shape, or form a fan of these "regional micro exclusives..." Ugh....
Why? From the sound of it the player reward might be a unique gear card or something.
Because I'm never going to be trekking to nowhere Iowa to get said gear card.
I guess it just depends on what this hypothetical reward would be. If it's just a "reskinned" weapon for the event, or something like a certificate of accomplishment, I personally wouldn't be too bummed out about missing it.
I am just noticing now... is the front of her lamp made of vulva? Or is it just residual Google dreams in my head?
It must be your dreams, because I'm seeing a helmet.
And it's not shaped like a vulva, at least not like any of the ones that I have encountered.
Yeah, clearly a helmet, though it looks too small for her to actually fit her head in, as the neck alone way smaller than her head circumference . As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Flower Witch is up a again (5 available at this point). Edit: Aaaand she's gone.
As for the store exclusives, my interpretation is that it'll be an event (a monster or other encounter) rewarded by a unique-to-that-store variant model. So theoretically it's an incentive to host KD:M narrative scenarios thereby promoting / supporting the game. Dunno how it'll play out in practice.
Chopxsticks wrote: Well I cant see a single local store around me playing this game on a table for just anyone to walk up and see Penis monsters. Maybe an hour drive up to Portland since they are throwing dildos over their power lines now. I really dont see this game being a thing outside of the website and a few specialty shops.
This is a very good point. A lot of the monsters are a little, ahem, graphic. The back of the Sunstalker for example is extremely, well, glans-like shall we say. The gorm is, well, yes. So, I can see a lot of shops selling this but discouraging public plays of the game with the more graphic pieces. The kind of shops that would allow those to be played would, in all likelyhood, be the dwellings of various stinky troglodytes with the social niceties of an un-flushed toilet that people would run from before they've even caught sight of the miniatures! And those kind of shops would most likely game the micro-exclusives for the benefit of their friends...
Bossk_Hogg wrote: I really don't get tooling for plastic, the option that really benefits most from mass production, and then intentionally limiting your market.
It's "boutique"! And if the last five years have taught me anything, it's that "boutique" is actually the French word for "gakky business".
Bossk_Hogg wrote:I really don't get tooling for plastic, the option that really benefits most from mass production, and then intentionally limiting your market.
It was mentioned in the last couple pages that the armor kits would be available separately, so it seems he will be taking advantage of HIPS.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: I really don't get tooling for plastic, the option that really benefits most from mass production, and then intentionally limiting your market.
It's "boutique"! And if the last five years have taught me anything, it's that "boutique" is actually the French word for "gakky business".
What problems have you had with Poots? Other than everything selling out so fast, I don't think there's much to complain about business wise.
Sinful Hero wrote: I guess it depends on how well the Pinups of Death set is selling. I imagine that would be a good indicator for Adam if HIPS is worth it for him.
Plus he may not want to be boutique forever.
I feel like the content will force him to be boutique, don't you?
I mean, I can't exactly stick The Penis Lion or Multi-Mammaried Wet Nurse on a store shelf at the LGS... That's part of the reason the Slaneesh models no longer look as awesome as they did in the past.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: I really don't get tooling for plastic, the option that really benefits most from mass production, and then intentionally limiting your market.
It's "boutique"! And if the last five years have taught me anything, it's that "boutique" is actually the French word for "gakky business".
What problems have you had with Poots? Other than everything selling out so fast, I don't think there's much to complain about business wise.
I wasn't talking about Kingdom Death in particular but "boutique" manufacturers as a whole: Kingdom Death, Studio McVey, Raging Heroes, Avatars of War, even GW post-2011. Unless Impact Miniatures counts as boutique, they've all been pretty crap for one reason or another.
I don't care for the $400 freakshow that is Kingdom Death: Monster, but I could definitely see using those female survivors to build an Amazon army. If it was possible to just head on over to Waylands and buy a bunch at a reasonable price, that's something that would have appealed to me.
Sinful Hero wrote: I guess it depends on how well the Pinups of Death set is selling. I imagine that would be a good indicator for Adam if HIPS is worth it for him.
Plus he may not want to be boutique forever.
I feel like the content will force him to be boutique, don't you?
I mean, I can't exactly stick The Penis Lion or Multi-Mammaried Wet Nurse on a store shelf at the LGS... That's part of the reason the Slaneesh models no longer look as awesome as they did in the past.
Well, they do sell Playboys and Hustlers behind the counter at BAM! and Barnes and Noble. I'm sure they could just keep it behind the counter if they wanted to sell it.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: I really don't get tooling for plastic, the option that really benefits most from mass production, and then intentionally limiting your market.
It's "boutique"! And if the last five years have taught me anything, it's that "boutique" is actually the French word for "gakky business".
What problems have you had with Poots? Other than everything selling out so fast, I don't think there's much to complain about business wise.
I wasn't talking about Kingdom Death in particular but "boutique" manufacturers as a whole: Kingdom Death, Studio McVey, Raging Heroes, Avatars of War, even GW post-2011. Unless Impact Miniatures counts as boutique, they've all been pretty crap for one reason or another.
I don't care for the $400 freakshow that is Kingdom Death: Monster, but I could definitely see using those female survivors to build an Amazon army. If it was possible to just head on over to Waylands and buy a bunch at a reasonable price, that's something that would have appealed to me.
You may be able to. He mentioned selling the armor kits seperately. No details on how though.
Not sure if the survivors would be available either.
It'll be interesting seeing how things proceed after Kickstarter fulfillment is complete.
The Pinup set has been available on the Kingdom Death webstore since it was released, I believe. As the only plastic offering (not including the Experiment of Death and the limited Xmas Twilight Knight) it may be indicative of what can be expected with general release plastics going forward(?) such as the armor kits mentioned in the KS comments. Whether that will affect pricing is another matter; again, it's the cost of plastic tooling vs KD-sized production runs. Seems like a lot of it would depend on Kingdom Death's production and distribution networks especially warehousing. Since Adam doesn't want stuff just sitting on shelves, I'd imagine that KD doesn't isn't big in the storage department.
The plastic pinups were $15 add-ons during the kickstarter and had an MSRP of $18, but the resins maintained their $25 price point. So it could be that we'll see the plastic pinups at that MSRP when/if they become available through the KD store. A lot of that depends on packaging, I'd wager. The game expansions, which were all plastic, also got the usual KS discount - Dragon King at $30 versus $65 retail - but they're not getting resin releases as far as I know so it's harder to make comparisons.
However, we can compare the resin models with the expansions based on them. It may not be the best comparison either as the expansions, obviously, have game content and presumably different packaging as a result. The Flower Knight resin goes for $30; the same price as its KD:M expansion. Others like the Dung Beetle Knight, however, go for $50 resin and is listed at $35 MSRP on the KS page. This makes the game expansion the better deal (imho) as you get the model and bonus game content - if you care about the game at all.
I wouldn't consider $35 for a KD quality mini and game content 'boutique' as some are calling it. It actually sounds fairly reasonable. But maybe I'm an idiot with no sense of the value of money, so who knows. /shrug
Sinful Hero wrote: I guess it depends on how well the Pinups of Death set is selling. I imagine that would be a good indicator for Adam if HIPS is worth it for him.
Plus he may not want to be boutique forever.
I feel like the content will force him to be boutique, don't you?
I mean, I can't exactly stick The Penis Lion or Multi-Mammaried Wet Nurse on a store shelf at the LGS... That's part of the reason the Slaneesh models no longer look as awesome as they did in the past.
No, but you could get it in online stores and make your money on volume, like other games. Hell, people are probably more inclined to buy a dong monster if they don't have to look some kid in the eye when they make the purchase lol. He says its to protect the small retailer, but come on - no small store is going to be stocking this sucker at $400 retail and hope someone strolls in off the street to buy it. I'm glad I got virtually everything in the kickstarter, because there's no way I'd be picking this up with the retail prices!
Sinful Hero wrote: I guess it depends on how well the Pinups of Death set is selling. I imagine that would be a good indicator for Adam if HIPS is worth it for him.
Plus he may not want to be boutique forever.
I feel like the content will force him to be boutique, don't you?
I mean, I can't exactly stick The Penis Lion or Multi-Mammaried Wet Nurse on a store shelf at the LGS... That's part of the reason the Slaneesh models no longer look as awesome as they did in the past.
No, but you could get it in online stores and make your money on volume, like other games. Hell, people are probably more inclined to buy a dong monster if they don't have to look some kid in the eye when they make the purchase lol. He says its to protect the small retailer, but come on - no small store is going to be stocking this sucker at $400 retail and hope someone strolls in off the street to buy it. I'm glad I got virtually everything in the kickstarter, because there's no way I'd be picking this up with the retail prices!
Same here
While the game and the mini looks amazing, I wonder if with these prices, it will ever be able to find it's way in LGS. As other have said, seems a bit of contradiction to use hips, and to have a boutique pricing strategy.
Yeah - I see a $400 game sitting on the shelf at my FLGS for quite a while.
I think It'd comes down to "Do I want this one, awesome-looking game or these 4 awesome-looking games?"
IMO - Poots might be wise to release the $400 version as a special "Kickstarter deluxe edition" and maybe split off a lot of the components and release a $150 normal version.
Schmapdi wrote: Yeah - I see a $400 game sitting on the shelf at my FLGS for quite a while.
I think It'd comes down to "Do I want this one, awesome-looking game or these 4 awesome-looking games?"
IMO - Poots might be wise to release the $400 version as a special "Kickstarter deluxe edition" and maybe split off a lot of the components and release a $150 normal version.
Not too odd around here for guys to come in and drop the cash for a case of mtg cards(6? Booster boxes I believe). That's well over $500. Granted, different type of game with chase rares and such, but there are people walking around with the money that if they want it they'll buy it.
Schmapdi wrote: Yeah - I see a $400 game sitting on the shelf at my FLGS for quite a while.
I think It'd comes down to "Do I want this one, awesome-looking game or these 4 awesome-looking games?"
IMO - Poots might be wise to release the $400 version as a special "Kickstarter deluxe edition" and maybe split off a lot of the components and release a $150 normal version.
Not too odd around here for guys to come in and drop the cash for a case of mtg cards(6? Booster boxes I believe). That's well over $500. Granted, different type of game with chase rares and such, but there are people walking around with the money that if they want it they'll buy it.
Yeah, but there can't be that many people. In addition, a lot of people pitch in for a case or booster box to draft from. There is also a lot of other factors to consider, as there are solid ways to profit off of MTG. While I understand the point you are making, I don't think it's a good comparison.
Reality wise, I don't see a 400$ box selling very well at a retail store at all. There are very few and far between people who are willing to drop that kind of money at once, on a board game.
People spending 150$ on a base game, then purchasing expansions which ends up over 400 dollars over time, I could easily see.
I don't think you're going to see a deliberate attempt at brick and mortar or even online stores. I also think Adam will sleep well at night (or when ever he does) with that decision. My math on a couple of resins released a month (that sells out in hours) means he's not going to be going anywhere or changing his methods anytime soon.
I'd like to think maybe for the heroic KD game he would learn from KD:M and make sure there was a $100-150 retail box... but again, I don't think that's how Adam rolls. And I'm pretty OK with that too.
I wonder how Cthulhu Wars is moving in the FLGS, that has a hefty tag of $200. Anyone know of anything else in the $200-$400 range for a core box? Other than things like limited edition/special issue Cataan, Clue etc. ?
Schmapdi wrote: Yeah - I see a $400 game sitting on the shelf at my FLGS for quite a while.
I think It'd comes down to "Do I want this one, awesome-looking game or these 4 awesome-looking games?"
IMO - Poots might be wise to release the $400 version as a special "Kickstarter deluxe edition" and maybe split off a lot of the components and release a $150 normal version.
Not too odd around here for guys to come in and drop the cash for a case of mtg cards(6? Booster boxes I believe). That's well over $500. Granted, different type of game with chase rares and such, but there are people walking around with the money that if they want it they'll buy it.
Magic benefits from the massive tournament scene and popularity. You know you can walk into any game store a few years from now and still play a game. I'm convinced that's a big reason why Warhammer is still a thing - basically a big player base feedback cycle. It's a big game, which is a draw to others because they know they can get a game. They wont try a small game because they aren't guaranteed a game and don't want to be an adopter if it's not hugely popular.
This game will have rabid fans, but its widespread success is highly doubtful due to the subject matter, price point, intentional sales throttling by the creator, etc.
Dr Mathias wrote: I wonder how Cthulhu Wars is moving in the FLGS, that has a hefty tag of $200.
You can grab Cthulhu Wars for $169 on Amazon Prime!
Anyone know of anything else in the $200-$400 range for a core box? Other than things like limited edition/special issue Cataan, Clue etc. ?
Fancy schmancy chess sets? Age of Sigmar? $100 seems to be the upper limit for games of this type. Miniature Market lists a couple above that (Doomtown premium edition, Atlantic Wall, Fury of Dracula, Wellington's Victory: The Battle of Waterloo). Other than Doomtown, I haven't heard of the others.
DaveC wrote: Kingdom Death will be at GenCon booth 2921
Who is that with?
Tried pulling up the exhibit hall map but I can't read it on my phone. I would assume it would be the CMoN booth since they usually sell the minis, but you not recognizing it must mean not.
Schmapdi wrote: Yeah - I see a $400 game sitting on the shelf at my FLGS for quite a while.
I think It'd comes down to "Do I want this one, awesome-looking game or these 4 awesome-looking games?"
IMO - Poots might be wise to release the $400 version as a special "Kickstarter deluxe edition" and maybe split off a lot of the components and release a $150 normal version.
Not too odd around here for guys to come in and drop the cash for a case of mtg cards(6? Booster boxes I believe). That's well over $500. Granted, different type of game with chase rares and such, but there are people walking around with the money that if they want it they'll buy it.
Depends on the shop. I dropped $500+ when I jumped into RC car racing, and I've seen railroad guys ring up 4 figures worth of stuff without batting an eye. For all the talk of GW being expensive, it really isn't.
I agree that a $200-250 MSRP starter might be a good idea for future sales growth.
Super glad to hear he'll have a booth. I'll need to visit it.
Thinking about it, if he isn't going to sell any kickstarter product at the booth, then he either has to show up with something new, or have a fairly empty booth (I mean, look at his webstore- what he has available at any given moment isn't likely to fill out his booth well).
On a side note, he'll probably have some small demo for Kingdom Death. And that'd be awesome (I'm really wondering how the game will play).
It may just be for a demo game and advertising then, if it's the booths I'm thinking of.
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Is there a way for you to find out if the CMoN booth will still be selling KD stuff or not? Would be much appreciated for my mornng planning.
Sinful Hero wrote: It may just be for a demo game and advertising then, if it's the booths I'm thinking of.
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Is there a way for you to find out if the CMoN booth will still be selling KD stuff or not? Would be much appreciated for my mornng planning.
Alpharius wrote: Given all he's said and done to date I really, really doubt he'll be selling KD: M at Gencon - if there are even any ready to sell, of course!
I doubt Monster will be sold. At most he might have one away on a raffle or something.
I'm mostly concerned if the resins will be sold at the CMoN booth or the KD booth. I was already headed to CMoN to pick up the Dark Age releases, and if they sell the KD resins there it'll be one stop shipping for me when the doors open for the unwashed masses Thursday.
cerealkiller195 wrote: Last year cmon had a few of the resins but at a glance I wasn't sure if it was pre Kickstarter stuff or not.
They've had them at least the four years I've been going.
They're the same resins sold in the KD store. I'm assuming he casts a bunch of different stuff to sell specifically at Gencon. Besides resin versions without rules nothing in the kickstarter has been released.
Newest email from KD talks about the GenCon booth they have (confirmed that Monster will be there for demo, but not sale) and a Sci-Fi version of the Twilight Knight that will be for sale.
It seems during GenCon they are offering Monster for $275 instead of $400. Pretty solid savings, with delivery to occur in October (projected).
Kingdom Death at Gen Con!
Booth #2921!
A last-minute windfall allowed us to secure an otherwise impossible to score booth at Gen Con Indy 2015! We've only had 3 weeks to prepare for the show so we've decided to bring out KD: Monster, to show off the incredible components, the crushing volume of game content, art, and miniatures, and even a slice of gameplay in a live demo! In addition Monster will be available for pre-order at a special convention-only price.
If you're at the show, please come out and visit us at booth 2921. The KD team is there demo-ing Monster and excited to meet you and answer any question!
We've also have a brand--new new hard plastic miniature debuting exclusively at Gen Con, A Sci-Fi version of the Twilight Knight pinup. We couldn't resist sending some iconic designs to space!! Please enjoy.
NOO~! Let us pray the model becomes available through the store.
Expect a lot more tantrums and demands of "we should be first because we're special" as new things that haven't appeared during the Kickstarter and are for the game are released.
I think alot of the anger is due in part that Poots cant deliver updates when he says he will. His lack of communication is annoying to say the least. Its understandable he would not have time to make an update if he is preparing for GenCon, but it seems he cant be bothered to just pop in and at least let people know.
They are 2 special cards for GenCon attendees who try the game if you get defeated by the Lion you get 1 - the dying lantern if you win you get the other - the vibrant lantern. Only the showdown phase is being demo'd
There's some news on BGG from Joshua R (who is the source of the card photo) - spoilered as I know there are some here who want to know nothing until they get it (are ye tempted )
Spoiler:
Combat is very interesting. On the one hand, there was a lot of missing or hitting and then failing the damage roll, which can be frustrating... But then the three other players were knocked out and I actually came super close to finishing off the Lion's last three damage all by myself (I had two chances where the right roll would have done it, but failed). So, kind of typical for dice-based combat.
The hit locations are interesting, you might roll two hits, pull two hit locations, then you choose which order they go in, and that can make a big difference because maybe if you choose the wrong one and fail the hit location roll, something might happen to invalidate your other hit... So there at a lot of ways for things to go terribly wrong.
On the other hand, there's always a chance you might live, no matter how dire things are looking (until you have 5 bleeding wounds, anyway) - so that sword cuts both ways.
Sometimes things felt not so thematic, like drawing an "eye" hit location when you're standing directly behind the lion (that's where his blind spot is), or being able to move from being right in front of him, into his blind spot, and attacking from there for the +1 bonus... But really, the only reason these things seemed bad for theme is because everything else seems so good for the theme, and the odd things stand out more.
Supply and demand. I for one will be selling alot of the extra stuff out of my Kickstarter pledge and will be doing so asap before KD sells sprue packs on their site.
Don't usually follow ebay but I've seen the recent KD releases, notably the Mage and Distracted models, selling for ~$150+. It's a ridiculous mark-up but people are buying. That should say something of demand and why I'm sure many of us wish Kingdom Death offered more supply.
BrookM wrote: Well, we got the praying sort that didn't look at the bottom of the email, so yeah, there's a market.
That's true. But, in my defense!, the last part of the email seemed to be solely about the game pre-order - something I've not much interest in. Didn't expect the availability info to be divorced from the Twilight Knight section. Lesson learned, though.
cinceydooley is there and has quite a few nice pics of the KD Booth - I'm sure once he's home and had a cahnce to rest and regroup he could be persuaded into sharing them with the community!
I don't recall any information on the arrival date of the expansions? I believe that only the core box is showing up? I'd say this is only partially wrapping up.
Bossk_Hogg wrote:I know! I'm going to have to remind my wife that everything was paid for in early 2013 to avoid any potential stink eye.
Exactly!
This going to be a big, heavy delivery...
So yeah, remind her this was waaaaaay back in the day!
Uh oh:
Chopxsticks wrote:I don't recall any information on the arrival date of the expansions? I believe that only the core box is showing up? I'd say this is only partially wrapping up.
Looks like you'll have to remind her again eventually!
All kidding aside, I'd LOVE to get an estimate on those expansions - because this one is looking like it will delivery completely around August 2016!
From twitter- @kingdomdeath
"Beautiful space to play Monster. Thanks to Gallery 42 and @geekchiclabs for putting this together. #gencon2015 pic.twitter.com/rf2wrhpgFc"
Automatically Appended Next Post: Pretty swanky place too. The sculpture on the left was asking $50k.
I thought it was fantastic myself. But yes, if we hadn't had GM leniency one of our group would have been killed the first round so I could see frustration if you aren't equipped properly for the beast. The game is brutal, but victory is so sweet.
Everyone got to chitchat with Adam, and it was a ton of fun. I'm definitely excited for the game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: To add some info- we fought a level 2 Phoenix. The idea is to fight the lower level versions of monsters to understand what attacks they use, and how they fight- they'll use the same moves plus extra as the upgraded version. So if you know it's capable of one-shotting a certain way, you can equip everyboy appropriately before the hunt. Of course you would have the initial encounter to worry about, but it's also not as powerful so less likely to succeed in those damaging attacks.
It had a lot of polish. Played relatively fast and offered a lot in the tactics department. the monster mechanics especially shine as the lower level monsters essentially train you and get you ready for the higher level monsters AI tactics. And the combat is deadly and brutal. I'm delirious from con fatigue or I'd go deeper but it definitely made me a believer and I didn't back the KS.
Upcoming shipment is everything except expansions. Those are still in print and assembly. Tho the miniature production for them as been finished since feb 2015.
I honestly wish we could group them. But the box dimension and weight of a typical order took it to FREIGHT class shipping! hahahaha Its just not possible!
So split shipping is actually cheaper than all in one go
I think it's also be said that people who ordered multiple main boxes will be getting multiple packages, as again shipping them singly is cheaper than putting 2 or more together
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I think it's also be said that people who ordered multiple main boxes will be getting multiple packages, as again shipping them singly is cheaper than putting 2 or more together
It also made it easier for the packing company as they could just box up the core game with all the freebies and then ship two (or more) copies to those that bought multiples
streetsamurai wrote: I seem to recall that it was said that all expansion were shipping with the main game, cause it would have cost too much to have multiple shipping.
2 waves, because the main boxes or The Game are so huge.
Wave 1 = The Game, only.
Wave 2 = everything else.
This allows Adam to maximize output by just pumping out identical main game boxes, clearing space and volume very quickly in wave 1.
Then, the complexity of pick and pack for wave 2.
Of course, now that he's doing 2 waves, if only he had done wave 1 back in Nov. '13
I was under the impression that small pack items would be coming during wave 1 shipping. I could be wrong/that could have changed... I was thinking we'd see the Core, plus promo figures, plus Survivor bonus, plus maybe armor kits and resins.
Since the box of Death is coming through the distributor directly, this may have shifted...
I... actually don't think I care one bit that there'll be multiple waves. I'm expecting that I won't be close to done building and painting the core by the time expansions arrive (unless maybe it's epic so I paint like crazy, or epically more-late).
I thought I'd read somewhere that the free bits everyone got would be in the first round as well, but I can't for the life of me see it... so I may have been dreaming.
From this brief glimpse the game definitely seems like it'll be able to forge an interesting narrative for a campaign which should keep me interested in more than a singular play session.
primalexile wrote: It looks good. They are not lying about the difficulty level.
Keep in mind, everyone stated injured, as did the lion. I love that near the end, add the AI cards are circling the drain, it doesn't just roll over and die. It gets nastier...
There were a few errors. When one survivor died, they forgot to remove the Enraged Mood card.
I think the Spear weapon also has a rolling save against traps.
Either way, looks S-T-U-P-E-N-D-O-U-S !!!
(I muted the video when he was saying "I'm maybe spoiling too much," and then went into The Butcher event.
Gotta save as much as possible.
I didn't even pause and read all text I could see. So. Fething. Stoked.
There were a few errors. When one survivor died, they forgot to remove the Enraged Mood card.
I think the Spear weapon also has a rolling save against traps.
I think this is going to be one of those games where you HAVE to remember your rules. Like have a post it in front of you with highlights.
*Small Spoiler*
Core Game + SURVIVOR Bonus + "Small" items are shipping in WAVE ONE!!!!
Small rewards are promos, pinups, etc…
According to Poots, these are already at the US warehouse, they'll take a short downtime and start picking/packing the small rewards and shipping those out to backers ongoing.
Boats are on the water…. 2-6 weeks and customs… another week for processing….
I can see so many horrific deaths, dancing like sugar plums in my mind's eye...
BrookM wrote: Boats are on the water, as in the boats heading for Europe?
Yes, Adam mentions briefly that the EU bound boat will probably take a fuzz longer than the US bound boat. He said he wasn't exactly sure of the difference in terms of time.
But, the games are in a container, on a boat, on the water, on their way…. 2-6 weeks, plus customs, plus distributor selecting/organizing the chaos, before stuff hits mailboxes around the world.
(To the dismay of many girlfriends, wives & partners)
an unsupervised shipping partner sending out main boxes I suspect will be doing so pretty much however their data base normally runs (eg alphabetical, location based or whatever),
but since they are professionals who won't have to sort stuff it should move pretty fast so we won't really notice
@Sinful Hero - I see! It's cool to hear that the gameplay was that convincing he plopped down the bucks on the spot!
It's pretty amazing.
I'm kinda frothing at the mouth to see the Promo's arrive.
I doubled up on a couple, because, reasons.
I may have 3 or 4 Messengers of Humanity coming. Friggen Gatsu. I think one will probably be a conversion to ape on Gutts.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Watch that interview. That's where Adam said that they're sending stuff out this week!
That's where I got my info, and posted it above…
Wait, what's the expression?
Fool me once, shame on you…
Fool me twice, shame on me…
Fool me three times…
I'll take his word at this point.
I think he's ready to kick this puppy out the door and see how she does on her own…
Yeah, it's in his closing comments. Going home > resting a day > shipping KD:M small rewards.
I'd assumed the Sci-Fi Twilight Knight would also go up for sale this week, after Gencon, but if they're moving into KS fulfillment then that's probably not gonna happen.
So, I'm pretty new to Kingdom Death. My only exposure to it was really the mini-controversy that happened with the Wet Nurse. However, I'm genuinely interested in getting some of the models, but I was super disappointed to find a lot of the ones I want are limited edition and sold out. Has there been any news on whether any of them will be released again? Possibly in plastic? I really like the Forge God.
Darth Bob wrote: So, I'm pretty new to Kingdom Death. My only exposure to it was really the mini-controversy that happened with the Wet Nurse. However, I'm genuinely interested in getting some of the models, but I was super disappointed to find a lot of the ones I want are limited edition and sold out. Has there been any news on whether any of them will be released again? Possibly in plastic? I really like the Forge God.
Best advice is to get on the email list and set up your phone to go bananas whenever you get an email from KD (be warned, these emails come and all hours, day and night). They randomly restock resin items from time to time, usually without warning. Anything that is listed as an expansion on the kickstarter page (found here) has already been produced in plastic and will be shipped out later this year.
Darth Bob wrote: So, I'm pretty new to Kingdom Death. My only exposure to it was really the mini-controversy that happened with the Wet Nurse. However, I'm genuinely interested in getting some of the models, but I was super disappointed to find a lot of the ones I want are limited edition and sold out. Has there been any news on whether any of them will be released again? Possibly in plastic? I really like the Forge God.
Best advice is to get on the email list and set up your phone to go bananas whenever you get an email from KD (be warned, these emails come and all hours, day and night). They randomly restock resin items from time to time, usually without warning. Anything that is listed as an expansion on the kickstarter page (found here) has already been produced in plastic and will be shipped out later this year.
Thanks for the info, really appreciate it. Crossing my fingers, because the model really blew me away when I first saw it and I was a very sad panda to find it wasn't available any more.
As gunslingerpro said he'll eventually do an encore run of models- I know the Forge God had the initial run and at least 1 encore, so I would expect it to come around again. I've been waiting for it too.
I've noticed he usually puts up new items between the 20th and the 30th of the month if he releases anything.
gunslingerpro wrote: (be warned, these emails come and all hours, day and night). They randomly restock resin items from time to time, usually without warning.
This bears repeating.
It's always exciting when items show up on the KD store. By that I mean that it's exciting trying to get to my desktop or ipad in time to order what I want since my phone can't complete a purchase on their webstore for some reason.
No, just promos and small items are shipping this week.
The Core is on the boat, and will ship in 2-7 weeks.
Expansions sometime after that.
Apparently the resin sales from the past year and half were also put into Monster. That's crazy. I think this is the last kickstarter from the great heyday to start shipping, and for me personally it'll blow all of them out of the water.
Apparently the resin sales from the past year and half were also put into Monster. That's crazy.
Yeah that was really impressive to me, and to be honest, it shows. People were concerned he was putting too much in, but after seeing some of the artwork in that rule book and the quality of the experience in those videos, I think he really nailed his vision.
This could easily go down as the best artist controlled kickstarter of all time.
I was going to sell off my giant $400 pledge, figuring that people were over-hyped. I was sure this game would be impossible to pull off, and certainly wouldn't achieve a level of playability considering a novice game designer wanted something so elaborate with a million sub-systems...
... and yet here it is, and by all accounts it works, and is beautiful (and smartly designed).
I LOVE being wrong right now, and wish Adam all the best in the world.
My problem is it's been 2 years since the last time I put money into this. So I have no idea how much I actually spent...
I'm 50/50 on whether I'll put it up for resale or not. It's stunning but I don't know if I'll ever get to play it. And I was sucked in back in the initial excitement of Kickstarter and not really thinking about actually using the stuff I was getting excited about.
I'm curious if a character's Insanity affects the settlement phase- during the demo it wasn't detrimental, but actually functioned as mind armor. He also mentioned when the character in the group before us had it's genitals destroyed, that it could never use Intimacy again. A referral to a part of the settlement phase I'm sure.
Sinful Hero wrote: He also mentioned when the character in the group before us had it's genitals destroyed, that it could never use Intimacy again.
First, I love that sentence. Second, I am imagining there is an item called "sack full of genitals" that allows the bearer to control the actions of another model, given certain conditions.
Sinful Hero wrote: He also mentioned when the character in the group before us had it's genitals destroyed, that it could never use Intimacy again.
First, I love that sentence. Second, I am imagining there is an item called "sack full of genitals" that allows the bearer to control the actions of another model, given certain conditions.
I wouldn't say it's impossible. It was off of a critical hit from the Phoenix at the waist area-something like, "Your genitals are destroyed. Your line, and the line of thousands of your descendants has been severed. You gain the Apathetic aura from the futility of your struggles."
The Apathetic aura prevents a character from using survival points- they can't dodge attacks, dash out of the way, take an extra attack, or encourage another character. They basically lose the will to live.
cincydooley wrote: The photos really don't do any justice to the beauty that is this game. It's gorgeous.
That's good to hear - I'm now wavering on selling everything off!
So, at this point, do we have even a hint of a tentative date for when the expansions are going to ship too?
Don't believe there is. I think expansions are done, too, and they're just being shipped separately at a later date, correct? So 3-8 weeks from whenever that happens. Oct/Nov at the earliest?
cincydooley wrote: The photos really don't do any justice to the beauty that is this game. It's gorgeous.
That's good to hear - I'm now wavering on selling everything off!
So, at this point, do we have even a hint of a tentative date for when the expansions are going to ship too?
Don't believe there is. I think expansions are done, too, and they're just being shipped separately at a later date, correct? So 3-8 weeks from whenever that happens. Oct/Nov at the earliest?
Yeah, that's what I understood from that BoW video - sometime (one to two months) AFTER the main box is shipped out - maybe depending upon where you live?
The plastics for the expansions were done as of the last official update (and most if not all of the printed content approved)
so it was just a question of getting the printing and assembly done (plus of course booking space on a ship or ships depending on whether the expansions are going via his shipping partners or only via Adam in the USA)
I'd be a bit more conservative than Alpharius but I think 2-3 months is plausible)
I think the important point is that since the expansions are done/mostly done, we should still get this THIS year, and they should in no way get hit by CNY 2016!
Anyone have a link to the latest Kingdom Death Tracking Chart - the big list of things that are done, almost done, etc.?
A later update had an email from the factory with shipping container sizes; other than that I can't find anything more recent, though I'm sure I've seen more recent ones somewhere.
Pinups = should be self explanatory. (I'm guessing all ordered pinups will come now, but the Gorm Stealth Suit freebie will come with the expansions)
Core Game + Survivor loot
Huzzah!
Also, about the expansions, I must have missed any little nuggets about them. I didn't think Adam made any mention of them in the interview, I'll go listen harder...
But, as far as we know, all of the plastic has been done since the end of 2014/start of 2015. The printed materials had a few small revisions, which should have been corrected.
Freight shipping territory is what caused the split in shipping.
That was the key that kicked Poots to get the base game out (and allow finances to start coming in, big time).
I'd like official word from the man about expansions.
But if I get my small rewards in the next week or two, I can hold off on an update...
I think we're past the chart at this point. More recent information from Adam has: - all of the resin production completed, - all of the plastic production completed, - the base game boxed, assembled and in transit (Wave 1), - small items boxed, assembled and in transit (Wave 1+).
That just leaves Expansions to box, assemble and ship (Wave 2), which is the messy stuff.
I'm thinking the Game arrives late September through mid-October, with expansions arriving November-December. ____
Recall that Adam noted he was having to ship several (40') containers worth of product - that's a lot of stuff to move, and it is both larger and heavier than what he had originally planned. The project scale and increased freight costs suggest that he needs to wait for *full* containers before he ships, rather than multiple, smaller containers. If he has a half container of product to Europe, but has another half container worth of product being prepped, that first batch will sit until the container is full. OTOH, if there is a full container worth of Game (only) for the US, then that container goes on the water.
* Clarified "shipped" (which ) to "in transit" (via container ship).
JohnHwangDD wrote: I think we're past the chart at this point. More recent information from Adam has:
- all of the resin production completed,
- all of the plastic production completed,
- the base game boxed, assembled and shipped (Wave 1),
- small items boxed, assembled and shipping (Wave 1+).
That just leaves Expansions to box, assemble and ship (Wave 2), which is the messy stuff.
I'm thinking the Game arrives late September through mid-October, with expansions arriving November-December.
Did they start shipping the main game already? I thought they would send out an e-mail to backers when they did.
Sorry, I should have been clearer when I wrote "shipped":
At least 1 (40') Cargo Container of the Game is on a ship from China to the USA. That container will arrive in the US for distribution to individual backers. I estimate individuals should start seeing stuff roughly a month from now.
Small items are also in process of making their way from the factory to backers.
Sinful Hero wrote: He also mentioned when the character in the group before us had it's genitals destroyed, that it could never use Intimacy again.
First, I love that sentence. Second, I am imagining there is an item called "sack full of genitals" that allows the bearer to control the actions of another model, given certain conditions.
I wouldn't say it's impossible. It was off of a critical hit from the Phoenix at the waist area-something like, "Your genitals are destroyed. Your line, and the line of thousands of your descendants has been severed. You gain the Apathetic aura from the futility of your struggles."
The Apathetic aura prevents a character from using survival points- they can't dodge attacks, dash out of the way, take an extra attack, or encourage another character. They basically lose the will to live.
Hrm... I suppose Poots has not been married as long as some of us then. Or perhaps much, much longer?
It does seem a little strange that a character who might already have children or grandchildren would take that pose, but oh well.
That "3-8 week windiw" comment I believe is aimed at the estimated delivery of the core game. At least, in context, he is still talking about the core game timeline and factoring in the uncontrollable/unknown of Customs processing. He makes no mention of the expansions shipping directly.
Still won't stop a stampede to the 
