I'm more concerned with the mess of hands the chair's back seems to be made of. That might not be so fun to paint.
Flesh colored primer and a wash? Okay.
Kind of bummed we didn't get any shots of the girl/podium thing with its boob-covering shirt on. I was curious to know how that'd look.
RiTides wrote: Just to avoid duplicating conversation, let's try to keep the updates in one place or the other (this thread is great for other, non-Kickstarter releases, of which they are producing quite a few while the KS continues to chug along!).
I'll keep that in mind from here out. Pointing to the kickstarter thread and saying there's an update is okay, though, right?
Buzzsaw wrote: Hmmm... so the Scribe can be assmbled without his loincloth, and is anatomically correct. Apparently also not Jewish, if you catch my drift. I'm... not sure how to process that.
Oh man. I never thought I would have to worry about circumcising a plastic mini. Thank goodness it wasn't restic! It would hours of working on the shaft, and for a likely unsatisfactory conclusion.
On the other hand (heh), why should I have to go to town on the junk when I could just really give it to somebody else? Anybody want to buy the Scribe from me for $15 plus shipping? (Shipping would include tracking so you know where that little scribe's been stopping.)
Automatically Appended Next Post: PS, All those hands really would go well with a certain Robotech kickstarter.
Buzzsaw wrote: On the other hand (heh), why should I have to go to town on the junk when I could just really give it to somebody else? Anybody want to buy the Scribe from me for $15 plus shipping? (Shipping would include tracking so you know where that little scribe's been stopping.)
Automatically Appended Next Post:
You're selling your Scribe for $15? (raises hand) me! me please! Be happy to take it off your hands. (heh...)
From twitter-
@kingdomdeath: Jon-Troy is streaming his current Kingdom Death sculpt! Its a little side project... http://t.co/UeaJ5sabDC
Automatically Appended Next Post: Not sure how twitch works- so I don't know if he has to be online to view it. Link may not work, but it appears to be called the "Paladin".
That's from an anime, right? I mean, if it was KD, there's be tiny hands coming out of the vajayjay or a severed dong sword or something, right? Or is that the pin-up version?
I'd originally tried to log in to the old pledge manager and was confused as well. They removed the resins, and upped the price on a few things (only major one is extra game copy is now $150).
Ugh, and all of the new releases seem awesome-although the Ammo Slave seems a little squicky to me. Caught me at a time when I'm strapped for disposable income. Shame.
It's unseasonably warm and beautiful here in NYC! We are busting our butts as usual and have 4 brand-new releases this month and an exciting encore.
First, a taste of the Great Game Hunters, hailing from the only known standing city in the land. A fortified and wealthy place of scheming courtiers and boasting trophy hunters.
Ammo Slave - Limited Collectors Run (500)
Fallen houses of Great Game Hunters are heartlessly dismantled and their members are sold into humiliating servitude to other great houses of the walled city.
Concept by Lokman Lam and Sculpted by Thomas David.
Great Game Hunter Rogue - Limited Collectors Run (500)
Tired of the courtly politics within the city, these rich, well-armed dilettantes set out into the wilderness to conquer the elements and prove their mastery over the foulest creatures they can track.
Concept by Yasmine Putri and Sculpted by Thomas David.
And a short interlude at the Holy Lands
White Knight - Limited Collectors Run (325)
A glorious vision in white and gold, imperious and beautifully crafted suits of armor striding confidently through the Holy Lands. They White Knights are the soldiers and enforcers of the Holy Lands' capricious whims and stringent rules. No one has ever glimpsed the creatures that inhabit the cold, gleaming, armor and lived to tell.
Concept by Danny Cruz and Sculpted by Thomas David.
A stop at the Twilight Order!
Archivist - Limited Collectors Run (500)
Refugees of the Great Library that hosted the collection of human knowledge. The Twilight Order now operates in pairs. An Archivist that guards the remaining scraps of knowledge and the Twilight Knight that she tasks with enforcing the agenda of the order.
Concept by Yasmine Putri and Sculpted by Thomas David.
Pinup Survivor Painting Guide
Our next in our series of advanced painting guides turns our focus on the Pinup Survivor. All of Scott's process and techniques are carefully chronicled and explained. Great for your brain!
Nice looking, but I think I'll wait for plastics to be honest. Probably won't all see plastic, but I'm not a completionist with KD luckily. That way madness lies.
As an aside, this raft seems like prototypes for KDM expansions as well as minis for the second game after monster, the name of which escapes me.
zedmeister wrote: Nice looking, but I think I'll wait for plastics to be honest. Probably won't all see plastic, but I'm not a completionist with KD luckily. That way madness lies.
As an aside, this raft seems like prototypes for KDM expansions as well as minis for the second game after monster, the name of which escapes me.
Wait, what, there is a second game coming after Monster?
The hunters came with the lantern festival, which came with the king, which came with the scribe, which came with the twilight cloak armor, which came with...
well probably lots of other stuff at this point. But yes, they're in the game.
Also- Gorm armor has lots of tools to play with it seems.
Was tempted to pick up the White Knight and the restock of the Storm Knight. Succeeded in heeding my wallet.
Will not be so lucky in the future. Though I do like how they are fleshing out their character types, making various knights and a rogue game hunter leaves room for a lot of variation in model types.
From twitter-
@kingdomdeath: Found some Collector's Ed. Archivists that need a home! Plenty of other goodies to grab with her at our store! http://t.co/b50Qa817XJ
Sinful Hero wrote: Thanks Orlando! Is the Halloween twilight knight available every Halloween, or is this just this year?
It's the first time KD has done one so I don't know,
but considering how fast their stuff sells out I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a new one next year rather than a re-release of this one (I guess it will depend if there are any left over)
The Halloween Twilight Knight sold out fast, I expect that Adam will make it available again within 24 hours as a pre-order; it does state that it will be available for the Halloween weekend after all. Personally I wasn't a fan, despite my weakness for chunky thighs.
I will probably pick up the three Visionaries, the fluff is very Griffith-from-Berserk plus I am very much a JAG sculpt collector.
Our initial units have all sold out. We will take back orders until Halloween Weekend is over. We estimate an additional 2-3 week delay on orders with a backorder Halloween special. Thank you for understanding!
If you missed out on any Saviors-
@kingdomdeath: King,20&40yr savior encores will begin to ship this thurs! There are some extra encores if you missed the preorder! http://t.co/ufrxMg7hwR
We have received the encore King, 20yr, & 40yr Saviors from our caster! They will begin to ship this Thursday. As for those of you who missed out, we have a handful of Savior Encores, 20yr, 40yr, 80yrs, and Super Saviors in the shop.
Honestly it's getting to the point I don't know what I bought anymore- he just keeps putting out so much stuff. I waded through my KD boxes and found a model I had forgotten he even MADE.
I'd love to take advantage of the 20 & 40 Year Saviours, but alas my Arena Rex KS shipment looks to be sitting in customs so I have to save my pennies to rescue it when the send me a bill
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I'd love to take advantage of the 20 & 40 Year Saviours, but alas my Arena Rex KS shipment looks to be sitting in customs so I have to save my pennies to rescue it when the send me a bill
That must suck. :( Arena Rex has been delayed a while hasn't it? I was tempted to get in on it, but kinda glad I didn't. Do you have to pay customs for KD stuff?
I am going to have to pay a little over $220 plus fees in tax when KD ships. It's not these never ending delays that really piss me off, it's the fact that this wasn't even mentioned when pledging, AND the fact that there was a Euro specific postage that I have paid for which should have covered such eventualities. But clearly not.
Still Standing wrote: I am going to have to pay a little over $220 plus fees in tax when KD ships. It's not these never ending delays that really piss me off, it's the fact that this wasn't even mentioned when pledging, AND the fact that there was a Euro specific postage that I have paid for which should have covered such eventualities. But clearly not.
In Adams defence he did state that it was "Extramely Likely" that this would be shipped from within America, you should really have been aware that things shipped from outside the EU incur import taxes.
The EU shipping options is what you pay to Kingdom Death to ship it - it is entirely the EU government who take the Import tax and Adam couldn't pay this even if he wanted to (not that I'm saying he should, but it is my understanding that you cannot volunteer to pay the tax when shipping from outside the EU to inside it even if you want to).
Indeed, as a UK citizen (or any EU citizen) you should know that paying VAT is your responsibility when importing goods into the UK/EU from outside the EU. I've not yet seen any company that ships directly to the consumer from outside the EU be able to pay VAT (if they wanted to).
You can't blame Adam for your ignorance. As far as I know, US parties are not required to remind you about paying your VAT. US parties generally overlook this anyway, because they generally don't have prices listed with VAT, if there's VAT, that's added separately (as far as I know).
I know your pain though, I'm also going to have some big VAT bills when certain projects arrive (Reaper Bones, Kingdom of Death, etc.). My biggest problem with the VAT isn't that I have to pay it (that's the price you pay for living in a welfare state), but that I have to pay it in cash at the door, exactly. With no idea how much it is exactly or when the are delivering it exactly.
$220 in VAT means that you've got a $1000+ pledge... Do I need to say more ;-)
It indeed differs per country. Though, for most countries for goods like this it's around the 20% benchmark, for example, The UK apparently has 20%, in the Netherlands we have 21%. Only thing is that ofcourse that's not where it stops, one has to pay the vat % and the import duties, which in the Netherlands are an additional 10%. That said, it's not always a given it has to be paid, I've had plenty of packages slip through the customs machine without having to pay anything for them. Rule of thumb is, the bigger the package, the more likely it'll be taxed.
cincydooley wrote: Is VAT standard for all EU countries at a certain percentage? Or does that % differ per country?
In Sweden sales tax is 25%, I think it's the highest in europe. The most annoying thing is that when importing, those 25% are calculated from the value of the entire purchase including shipping costs AND custom fees (0-20% depending on type of goods). So if you payed, say, $200+$50 shipping for your KD pledge, and custom fees were 5% for board games, the final sum you pay would be 250*1.05*1.25 = ~$328.
That said... I've imported hundreds of products in the last ~15 years since I started Ebaying and such, and nothing has EVER gotten caught by customs. I've mostly bought video games and small stuff though, I'm guessing board games with huge boxes would be harder to slip by. And if you buy insurance, you're completely screwed (never did that myself). I would never buy in to an American KS without knowing they are shipping it from the EU.
Ramos Asura wrote: Thats just pure insanity :/ I knew it was bad, but thats BAAAAAAD!
You guys have my sympathies.
That's only from outside of the EU though, and also depends on the type of good. If something is shipped within the EU then none of it applies, vat is charged in the country it originates from and that's it since there are no import duties within the EU. ofcourse it also depends on the country specific laws but there's also categories of good where there's a far lower % vat or a 0%.
All in all, buying from within the EU is most of the time a lot simpler with regards to extra costs, unless it's sneaky small packages managing to get past customs without notice (for example, I paid vat and import duties on my 3 dreamforge leviathans but not on the box with 6 arms shipped at a later date).
But in the case of Sweden and all that jazz, I hear it's really useful, socailly speaking. Nary a day goes by that Quebec doesn't get compared to Sweden, or Finland, or Denmark. Usually negatively.
I wanted to throw this out there to see what people thought since I was planning to send a message to Adam/Anna about customs and declared values.
To explain, the Canadian dollar has lost a ton of value since I pledged for this kickstarter. The US dollar was nearly 1 for 1 when I pledged. Nowadays, $1 US is closer to $1.20 CDN. And based on my history buying resin figures from KD, I know that KD declares full value US when shipping. Which always hurts on top of the shipping as everyone here is pointing out.
So that $1000 I pledged for and paid almost 2 years ago, when it gets to customs, will in effect be declared as $1200.
My message to Adam/Anna then was that I would hope they would express some flexibility in regards to their declared values. Adam seems concerned about covering his butt, but I'd like to see if I can cite something legal, possibly from the 'General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade' to which the US is a signatory, that would help to reassure him into being flexible.
I think it's unlikely and would advise Adam against it and to put the actual amount paid on the declaration slip
(and this is from somebody who will be hit with a nasty big bill when this arrives)
I'd rather pay what I owe than risk confiscation of a miss declared package (plus potential problems for KD in the future)
I know people who were burned with extra charges during Reaper Bones I when the packages were declared at the pledge level rather than the actual cost with add ons...
early backers got away with it, but with lots of big boxes crossing their desks customs ended up figuring out they were being scammed
I hadn't heard this story. So what value was customs using to charge people then?
Ah, nevermind. I missed the part where you mentioned addons.
I wouldn't be asking for a misdeclared value, simply the value I paid 2 years ago, at the moment of the transaction.
So according to the World Trade Organization's Valuation Agreement there are a number of valuations methods you have to apply in sequence until one of those methods leads to a determination of value. The first method is the value of the transaction, and in the case of a payment for goods/services, that would apply.
There's clear legal ground then for the value of the transaction to be the declared value, and therefore the date on which the transaction was made is also relevant.
it really doesn't make sense that the value of the items was the exact amount of the pledge. I'm sure some of the pledged money was used to cover other costs...
As far as I know is that the exporter HAS to put the exact value in the currency that the person who ordered it paid for. No leniency in that, at all. The $ has gotten a lot more expensive for me as well, but that's the cost of doing international business and the risk of 'preordering' something a year plus in advance.
Am I happy about it? Of course not, but that was always the 'risk', it could easily gone the other way...
The value is what you paid in the original transaction currency at point of payment for customs purposes, this is then compared to the exchange rate at point of processing when it enters the country. It would be illegal for KD to declare otherwise and could lead to customs seizing shipments until true values are declared and proven. Which takes ages and costs even more.
Cergorach wrote: The $ has gotten a lot more expensive for me as well, but that's the cost of doing international business and the risk of 'preordering' something a year plus in advance.
So what you're saying is "that's the cost of doing international business and the risk of 'preordering' something a year plus in advance [for the buyer]."
Not sure that I agree with that. Is there a legal basis? Because value of transaction also implicitly includes the date of transaction, and therefore all I would be asking for is some kind of flexibility on Adam's part.
Without a legal basis for your statement, it could just as easily read "that's the cost of doing international business and the risk of [selling something that's not produced] a year plus in advance [for the seller]." Why is the onus on the customer?
I suppose when it comes here to Canada and I get my customs bill I could dispute it, and show my VISA bill for when I paid for it and other supporting documentation. Not sure though how far that would get me, and whether or not that would raise flags at customs about these kinds of transactions (kickstarter and KD).
I don't see anything wrong with asking Adam if he could look at declaring the value at the most advantageous exchange rate either when shipping or back when the campaign closed. In the case of Canada, declaring it as $1000CAD, which is what was paid in January of 2013, doesn't seem particularly shady. Nor in the case of the USD weakening against a currency would it be untoward to put down the USD value of the pledge. At that point it's just playing the international game. Of course, I'm not an international shipping expert, so there may be regulations that state it must be declared in such-and-such a way.
Assuming for a moment that there isn't such a rule, since currencies are national he'd only have to look at present vs. January 2013 exchange rates for the countries he's shipping to, figure out which works out in the backer's favor (if it matters) and go from there. That's not to say it'd be a trivial amount of work, but in comparison to simply filling out the customs forms anyway it's a small addition. It might even be trivial since the exchange rates in 2013 aren't going to change, and comparison can be fairly quickly done in a spreadsheet. Just a matter of how many countries he's shipping to and how much of a difference it really makes.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I think it's unlikely and would advise Adam against it and to put the actual amount paid on the declaration slip
(and this is from somebody who will be hit with a nasty big bill when this arrives)
I'd rather pay what I owe than risk confiscation of a miss declared package (plus potential problems for KD in the future)
I know people who were burned with extra charges during Reaper Bones I when the packages were declared at the pledge level rather than the actual cost with add ons...
early backers got away with it, but with lots of big boxes crossing their desks customs ended up figuring out they were being scammed
I have written to Adam and asked if he could possibly put the value in £ rather than $ on the import shipment. Lately I've noticed an annoying (and illegal) habit of the Royal Mail charging a 1:1 exchange ration when calculating VAT - That'll put my VAT bill up from roughtly £65 to roughly £110. You cannot dispute it was they refuse to show you how they have calculated the VAT until you have paid, now that is insane!
I've reported this to tradeing standards, seems to have only happened since it was privatised, but without further complaints they are refusing to take it further.
I've just read the EU regulations on valuations payments in foreign currencies they state:
Where factors used to determine the value of goods for customs purposes are expressed in a currency other than the Euro, the rate of exchange to be used is the periodic rate established in accordance with paragraph 13.1 This rate is applicable even where payment for the goods has been made prior to importation at a different rate.
It should be noted that community legislation provides that the rate of exchange to be applied is that in force at the material time for valuation for customs purposes.
13.1 establishing the rate of exchange. The rates of exchange quoted by the central bank on the second last Wednesday of each month are used for customs valuations purposes for the following calendar month.
Basically in short in the EU it's not the exchange rate when you buy that applies but the average rate for the month prior to the month you receive your goods
DaveC wrote: IBasically in short in the EU it's not the exchange rate when you buy that applies but the average rate for the month prior to the month you receive your goods
Heck, wouldn't it be awesome for the customers if, in the case where the currency exchange goes the OTHER way, if the company would have to pay you back money when they started shipping?
overtyrant wrote: Anyone know if this will go to general release once all backers pledges have been shipped?
It will.
However, KD has made it explicitly clear that the Kickstarter backers are the highest priority and will get their stuff in advance.
I believe only some of the cross-promo figures like the Slenderman and Animedude are exclusive, The main game parts will be for general release; many of the items listed on the Kickstarter had a expected MSRP release sale price anyways. Considering KD's history, though, don't expect it to be released to discount retailers.
Still Standing wrote: No, because technically we didn't buy goods, we invested in a business startup. He's sending us goods as a thank you, more or less.
No, technically we preordered, that's what KS says, that's what the law says. 'Seller' is legally obliged to deliver the product or refund the entire price.
The reason that there's no investment is due to the laws regarding investment are so strict they can't be used with the crowdfunding business model for Kickstarter. The reality is that if a KS doesn't deliver, you can't claim any money because there's no money left.
I know the EU import laws and regulations, don't know the particulars for Canada, but I doubt they are much different. Your basis for declaration of value is your receipt, your receipt is in $US, as you purchased in $US.
If I was Adam I wouldn't fudge on this AT ALL. You really don't want every Kingdom of Death package examined by the customs officials because a few packages were determined as having fraudulent papers included. Asking "Can you break the law a little by fudging the paperwork?" isn't cool, it's plain illegal!
Correctly stating the value in $US is Adam's responsibility, correctly paying VAT and other import taxes is your responsibility. If you don't agree, first read you are own GD laws and regulations regarding importing goods. I found something relevant on Canadian importing of goods in a few seconds.
overtyrant wrote: Anyone know if this will go to general release once all backers pledges have been shipped?
It will.
However, KD has made it explicitly clear that the Kickstarter backers are the highest priority and will get their stuff in advance.
I believe only some of the cross-promo figures like the Slenderman and Animedude are exclusive, The main game parts will be for general release; many of the items listed on the Kickstarter had a expected MSRP release sale price anyways. Considering KD's history, though, don't expect it to be released to discount retailers.
Brilliant, this has made me very happy. Couldn't afford it at the time (to close to Christmas or the new year I believe). I'm glad the backers will be getting theirs first as I know the feeling from a few kickstarters that I was a part of that the product was in the shops a long time before getting my stuff!
You guys keep getting my hopes up for News and Rumors in here!
Sadly, the rather excessive VAT, TAXES and CUSTOMS PROBLEMS that all my European, Australian and possible Asian brothers have to deal with is...not news!
Here's something though!
From the Wrath of Kings Kickstarter - a crossover with Kingdom Death!
Update #101
Nov 21 2014
The Twilight Knight arrives in Arikania!
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Greetings, backers! Today we have for you a look at the studio model of Dame Allison, the Twilight Knight, painted by Jen Haley. This resin Kingdom Death crossover is a Kickstarter exclusive mini!
Regardless, I don't expect us to get any actual news/info on the Kickstarter until next Friday. Adam is supposedly conjuring up a big project update to the point that this past week's announcement was cancelled because of it.
Sadly no option to "upgrade" from an option selected at the last Black Friday late backer thing - some of those expansions are looking really appealing now! Possibly not $625 appealing, but still.
Fortunately I was able to piggyback for the expansions I actually wanted, through a Dakkaite. If the creators are to be believed, along with Shadows of Brimstone, this will be one of those "$1500 to get everything at retail" boardgames!
Be warned that the Hard Plastic Pinups actually do have a stock level for the discounted price, despite not having one normally.
Er... Sorry guys, been MIA due to some fairly serious issues. But looks like I got back in time (if only just.)
Anyway, yes, people can back Kingdom Death: Monster again through http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/ . So get on it if you missed your chance as it's only available Black Friday (today).
Kingdom Death wrote:Just like last year, we are honoring black friday by opening the door and allowing late backers into the fold. I was very mixed coming to this decision, as I feel that you backers are sacred and should be taken care of. It wasn’t the emails from fans begging to be part of the project, nor the ones asking me questions about “piggybacking” a practice I am sorry but we cannot officially support. Rather it was the kind and very genuine emails from fans patiently awaiting the public release, knowing full well that the final price is much higher than what we kickstarted it for.
It is for those patient and understanding fans, that I have decided to make an exception for black friday. They are just excited, have grabbed whatever resin miniatures they could, and have stated they are happy to pay our final retail price! Please come on board now, while we are still mid-production so I can offer you some of the benefits our current backers have. Granted, the pledge rates for things have increased since we pitched, the shift to hard plastic was brutal on the budget.
We have 3 black friday packages and they are based on the current pledge manager rates. If you you were looking to show your support while we are still mid-production, now is the time.
I was wondering why the detail on the Xmas Pinup looked a little "soft" in places, it's plastic!
And $50!!!!
This is a real watershed moment for me regarding Kingdom Death, I feel that Poots is now taking his customers for granted and treating them (us!) like fools.
No more purchases for me if this nonsense continues.
Ditto on what others have said, $50 for the Xmas model is ridiculous , if I buy it then to England that's about $64 posted, then I get hit for £9 import handling and roughly £8 duty, so all in it ends up close to an internet discounted GW Knight .....
I think it's that more than anything else that's a barrier for the UK, really. The nature of the product/service means that you're often buying one item at a time, before it suddenly goes out of stock. VAT is nasty but manageable, but paying a flat extra £8 per order pushes it into no-go territory.
And although I have no desire for that Christmas model, I do have strong feelings about complaining how expensive it is to tool everything in hard plastic, and then making hard plastic models limited editions. You can no longer use the "we hand-craft these things in small batches" excuse for limited numbers, it purely becomes an exercise in overcharging for exclusivity.
I don't think its that limited as its limited for the Christmas season which means he can roll this out every year at this time. That said I'm not paying $64 plus potential VAT and handling charge for a single miniature definite pass for me.
The Xmas Special Pinup Twilight Knight is packaged in a red gift box and sealed with a darling black bow. Contents include:
Hard Plastic - Xmas Pinup Twilight Knight Miniature
Hard Plastic - Festive gift box miniature
Hard Plastic - 3 x Xmaxe (with 1 gear card for Monster)
Hard Plastic - Decorative Xmas base insert
Hard Plastic Kingdom Death 50mm Base
6"x4" Double Sided Matte Art Print
Character Art Card
The Xmas Special Pinup Twilight Knight is packaged in a red gift box and sealed with a darling black bow. Contents include:
Hard Plastic - Xmas Pinup Twilight Knight Miniature
Hard Plastic - Festive gift box miniature
Hard Plastic - 3 x Xmaxe (with 1 gear card for Monster)
Hard Plastic - Decorative Xmas base insert
Hard Plastic Kingdom Death 50mm Base
6"x4" Double Sided Matte Art Print
Character Art Card
He is still taking the piss for 1 28mm hard plastic figure. The fact it is now the same material as gw and still costs more than there single figures is a wake up call.
In Adams defense i would guess the price also covers the prints, card, and special packaging as well. Id buy it if there was an option to just get the sprue itself thrown into a bubblewrapped letter mail package shipping would be cheaper too.
Bioptic wrote: And although I have no desire for that Christmas model, I do have strong feelings about complaining how expensive it is to tool everything in hard plastic, and then making hard plastic models limited editions. You can no longer use the "we hand-craft these things in small batches" excuse for limited numbers, it purely becomes an exercise in overcharging for exclusivity.
Agreed. Tooling for injection molding is expensive, yes, but unlike resin there is virtually no reason to make production quantities limited other than to inflate the price. The investment is already made and it's pennies to produce more copies.
Not to mention, that was tooled ahead of already paid for Kickstarter models... seems he's just testing what pricepoint the market will bear on his plastic heroes...
Bioptic wrote: And although I have no desire for that Christmas model, I do have strong feelings about complaining how expensive it is to tool everything in hard plastic, and then making hard plastic models limited editions. You can no longer use the "we hand-craft these things in small batches" excuse for limited numbers, it purely becomes an exercise in overcharging for exclusivity.
Agreed. Tooling for injection molding is expensive, yes, but unlike resin there is virtually no reason to make production quantities limited other than to inflate the price. The investment is already made and it's pennies to produce more copies.
Not to mention, that was tooled ahead of already paid for Kickstarter models... seems he's just testing what pricepoint the market will bear on his plastic heroes...
Ugh.
Wyrd does tons of limited edition plastics. Every holiday event has them. Seems the practice is growing.
Yeah... $50 for a single, plastic, standard-sided, non-LE (just limited window) mini with one new piece of equipment as content is way too much for me, and I don't think very reasonable as a choice for a company to do when they're that small. if the only option to make it profitable is $50 (assuming they're not just gouging).
This latter part is notable with greywolf's comment: Wyrd seems to take about 3 online sales (the first also coinciding with a con) to go through their LE stock, and is certainly a much larger name in the industry.
I get the same feeling as RITides on the last page, though hope I'm wrong.
If Adam is going to price everything up and start expecting people pay LE resin prices for plastic, well, I've got a hundred (or w/e) plastic minis from the game coming that should last plenty long enough, and then other games to play, too. In short, I wouldn't tolerate that sort of gouging, regardless of how nice the minis are.
Bioptic wrote: And although I have no desire for that Christmas model, I do have strong feelings about complaining how expensive it is to tool everything in hard plastic, and then making hard plastic models limited editions. You can no longer use the "we hand-craft these things in small batches" excuse for limited numbers, it purely becomes an exercise in overcharging for exclusivity.
Agreed. Tooling for injection molding is expensive, yes, but unlike resin there is virtually no reason to make production quantities limited other than to inflate the price. The investment is already made and it's pennies to produce more copies.
Not to mention, that was tooled ahead of already paid for Kickstarter models... seems he's just testing what pricepoint the market will bear on his plastic heroes...
Ugh.
Agreed, i went for the $25 Haloween Edition, but this is double for barely more....
compare both, this has one extra picture, 3 axes and a "present", possibly counting the model's base.
Just...... No.
Testing pricepoint is probably the best answer for this. Pricepoint during festive seasons...
The holiday special ended up taking an entire tool and sadly I had to price it appropriately. The Halloween release, this xmas timed release, are all sort of experiments on my part.
We need to sell around half a thousand units in order to break even on it. The decorative base that takes up most of the tool is awesome, but its shockingly expensive!
If she sells super well, and we end up far ahead. I'll figure out some way to pay that forward.
Yea, Adam, love the models, but I'd rather see a collector range using pewter and cheaper model costs a la Reaper. I appreciate plastic for gaming, but I'm more than willing to accept metal for collecting and showing purposes. When you're getting into that price range, I can suddenly start comparing them to other boutique miniatures like Andrea, Pegaso, Knight, Nocturna, etc. Some of those are more expensive, but $25+ for a 28mm versus $30~$50 for 54mm, as a mini collector and painter, makes you pause.
Love the work and bought several, just would like to see volume kick up to bring prices down.
TheKbob wrote: Yea, Adam, love the models, but I'd rather see a collector range using pewter and cheaper model costs a la Reaper. I appreciate plastic for gaming, but I'm more than willing to accept metal for collecting and showing purposes. When you're getting into that price range, I can suddenly start comparing them to other boutique miniatures like Andrea, Pegaso, Knight, Nocturna, etc. Some of those are more expensive, but $25+ for a 28mm versus $30~$50 for 54mm, as a mini collector and painter, makes you pause.
Love the work and bought several, just would like to see volume kick up to bring prices down.
Yes - love a lot of the minis, but until they are more reasonably priced, and available for more than an hour, I'm out I'm afraid.
The flower sorceress was $32 and sold out in about an hour. That's just nuts.
Amazing models again for the most part, that flower witch looks unbelievably fun to paint and would make a great base for a Diablo themed Witch Doctor or something similar.
I'm another soul who's put off by the import fees on top of what are already pricey models, I suppose that can't be helped but I do hope that a distributor in the UK will carry them some day, I can only imagine that the demand would be substantial.
I actually think the minis are very reasonably priced for what they are (and $25-30 isn't bad for a larger scale mini - KD is not 28mm). Just look at GW's plastic clamshell minis... $25 for a plastic 28mm librarian - now that is ridiculous. Comparing KD to other similar scale models - like WWX, they are only slightly pricier as WWX models are $18-$24 for models of resin in similar scale and detail.
I for one am not complaining and love everything adam has produced... can't wait for the dragon and kickstarter stuff! WOOT - DRAGON!!!
Alpharius wrote: I think the 'complaints' we're really only about the $50 hard plastic Christmas themed 28mm miniature...
Just to be pedantic, Kingdom Death is not 28mm scale; it's 35mm scale* (from the KSFAQ). In fairness that doesn't really change the sticker shock all that much, I vacillated on the Xmas pin-up over the price and ended up going with the other two offerings (Flower Witch is absurdly amazing, and the Warlords are just gravy).
kingdomdeath wrote: Oh. She is not 35mm. Much closer to 54mm in scale actually. The base is 50mm not a 30mm.
Wait, now you've thrown me: is the actual figure (Allison, I presume) not scaled the same as the previous 35mm Twilight Knights (pin-ups and so forth)? I presumed she was the same scale as the other figures, just on a very large scenic base. At 54mm scale she (without the base) would be like the size of a 40k Dreadnaught, WMH Warjack/beast or an Infinity TAG.
Ahh - I was unaware of that also. If's she's 54mm scale (or close to it) that does make it a little easier to stomach the price, and I guess KD does have (or at one time had) some 54mm versions of some of their minis. ( was the Halloween special bigger than usual?)
As gorgeous as the Warlord models look, I really can't justify spending $50 for both of them. If they came individually, I could probably push myself to get one, but $50 is a bit much.
I can only hope that they get a general release down the line in a future project.
I think that was a typo - it would be really odd to make one out-of-scale mini. I'm sure it is bigger counting the scenic base, etc, and this is likely what Adam meant... otherwise, I'd be shocked to see one single mini in "54mm scale" while the rest are "35mm scale".
RiTides wrote: I think that was a typo - it would be really odd to make one out-of-scale mini. I'm sure it is bigger counting the scenic base, etc, and this is likely what Adam meant... otherwise, I'd be shocked to see one single mini in "54mm scale" while the rest are "35mm scale".
Although I'm not sure Adam has fully confirmed this new release is a larger than normal figure or not yet, or if she's just 54mm due to the base and such.
kingdomdeath wrote: Oh. She is not 35mm. Much closer to 54mm in scale actually. The base is 50mm not a 30mm.
This is the quote he made above - pretty vague unfortunately.
Those products you link to specifically say they are 54mm, and are titled as such. Unless "closer to 54mm" means he chose an odd, in between scale for this model, he is very likely just counting the base, or it would be described and titled like those. You could measure the base from the pictures (50mm) to double check this figure size.
Really rudimentary comparison image I chopped together. Tried to resize the Xmas Special Climax Knight to the 54mm normal Pinup Twilight Knight. The 54mm Twilight Knight has an image comparing it to the normal 35mm Twilight Knight and a White Marine.
It seems that it's on-scale with the 35mm model when resized to have a base on par with the 54mm model.
Does anybody know how to get hold of the Kingdom Death team? I've tried emailing the Kickstarter support address, but it's been 4 weeks, and no response.
If there's a phone number, I'd happily call them up.
They're back as of yesterday.
I managed to pick up a Flower Witch right after the drop.
And then bought a pinup promo (free xmas money) just before they went off sale…
My second order was 1000 over the first order, so there's probably a little lag with Joe taking care of orders all by his lonesome… Plus any emails for combining orders, special requests, etc…
Think I would prefer the lance with the spiked shield. We'll see how it turns out after it's made. If it's a digital sculpt, that means a plastic release right?
jorny wrote: Is that supposed to be a female or a KD monster?
Comments like this is why we can't have nice things.
Seeing as the new Kabuki thread has opened the door to discussion on female anatomy, am I the only one who thinks her physique looks implausible? If she has that much muscle, and no visible body fat, would she really have large, gravity-defying breasts? Are there implants in the Kingdom Death universe? Is there some body-horror monster that,say, looks like a ambulance made of hand-crowned anuses that randomly seizes passers-by and gives them D-cup boobies? What's the deal?
Also, how can a dude that bulky reach his back in order to shave it?
It does raise questions about how horrifying it must be to survive in the setting while still eking out the protein and multiple work out stations required to subsist with such a physique.
In this case they don't appear to be human reading the fluff:
Seeing themselves as a god, the Apotheosis is as strong as they are flawed. Masked by their vanity, the Apotheosis is subject only to their own ego. The source of their power is unknown and will undoubtedly be their downfall.
So a vain creature of unknown power pursuing a flawed idea of perfection unto their own destruction. Given the background they're actually somewhat interesting execution. Absent that fluff though, I'd think they were just a mis-fire; IMO they're too close to strangely-attired humans to really convey an unnatural feeling that the background states.
Is there some body-horror monster that,say, looks like a ambulance made of hand-crowned anuses that randomly seizes passers-by and gives them D-cup boobies?
I'm pretty sure when that happens in the KD universe that's known as a "Tuesday."
jorny wrote: Is that supposed to be a female or a KD monster?
Comments like this is why we can't have nice things.
Seeing as the new Kabuki thread has opened the door to discussion on female anatomy, am I the only one who thinks her physique looks implausible? If she has that much muscle, and no visible body fat, would she really have large, gravity-defying breasts? Are there implants in the Kingdom Death universe? Is there some body-horror monster that,say, looks like a ambulance made of hand-crowned anuses that randomly seizes passers-by and gives them D-cup boobies? What's the deal?
Also, how can a dude that bulky reach his back in order to shave it?
If you have large breast to begin with then yes.
Looking at the guy he has minions to shave his back, or has Japanese genes in which his case he doesn't have any body hair.
It is a fantasy game with breast monsters and you ask if anatomically correct?
In other news, have they finally gave a date for the shipping of the KS. I rebember some posters saying I was overly cynical because I tought we wouldn't get it for September 2014. at this point, I'm actually wondering if we'll get it for september 2016.
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But damn is he expensive
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Both have slightly unnatural looking legs, Assuming KD monsters follow the same anatomical rules as your blubbery, cheeto-fueled, Real world body will only lead to disappointment. The name of the new mini implies a lot about its nature.
In other news, have they finally gave a date for the shipping of the KS. I rebember some posters saying I was overly cynical because I tought we wouldn't get it for September 2014. at this point, I'm actually wondering if we'll get it for september 2016.
Eurgh, finally! I'm gonna try and recoup the costs on this one as soon as possible
I believe only the core game is going to be finished printing by June, Adam Poots isnt very good at keeping his backers updated and his most recent post makes it seem that none of the expansion are in the works. My money says this doesnt ship until Q1-Q2 2016
I read his last updated as only the core game is being printed, his update "However, good news did arrive this morning. It is the schedule for the core games printing production. It is not the shipping or fulfillment dates."
The email even says main game. I take this as only the core game is being printed currently and wont be fulfilled until June.
The email also says "All the files for the expansions have been checked and evaluated by the printing company. We aim to sign off on the fine details this week."
I read it as one big wave, with The Game being held up by the expansions.
Though arguably, The Game will be large enough (DWt applies) and heavy enough (16 lbs) that shipping it separately might not impact the overall shipping cost.
It seemed to me that the core game is getting printed and packed into a cargo box and them shipped out. Then expansion printed packed and shipped. I still dont see how a Q3 fullfilment date is possible. How long does a cargo ship take from China? It seems the core game wont arrive state side until July?
Chopxsticks wrote: It seemed to me that the core game is getting printed and packed into a cargo box and them shipped out. Then expansion printed packed and shipped. I still dont see how a Q3 fullfilment date is possible. How long does a cargo ship take from China? It seems the core game wont arrive state side until July?
IIRC sea shipping is about 3 weeks to the west coast?
Q3 ends September 30, so Q3 fulfillment is very possible. Especially if all they're doing is slapping shipping labels on pre-packed boxes of The Game.
By comparison, SPM knocked through probably 4,000 such boxes in a few weeks for SDE:FK:
. mid-Jan - start of printing
. mid-Feb - US containers left China
. mid-Mar - US container in port
. mid-Apr - US shipping complete.
If KD starts printing April, and Adam does a slap&ship for The Game, those can be in backer hands as early as July.
dragqueeninspace wrote: Both have slightly unnatural looking legs, Assuming KD monsters follow the same anatomical rules as your blubbery, cheeto-fueled, Real world body will only lead to disappointment. The name of the new mini implies a lot about its nature.
What are their names? I really don't want to use this computer to click to anything Kingdom Death.
dragqueeninspace wrote: Both have slightly unnatural looking legs, Assuming KD monsters follow the same anatomical rules as your blubbery, cheeto-fueled, Real world body will only lead to disappointment. The name of the new mini implies a lot about its nature.
What are their names? I really don't want to use this computer to click to anything Kingdom Death.
Did you not see them on the previous page? You replied after the pictures were posted...
Seeing themselves as a god, the Apotheosis is as strong as they are flawed. Masked by their vanity, the Apotheosis is subject only to their own ego. The source of their power is unknown and will undoubtedly be their downfall.
Seeing themselves as a god, the Apotheosis is as strong as they are flawed. Masked by their vanity, the Apotheosis is subject only to their own ego. The source of their power is unknown and will undoubtedly be their downfall.
No. That did no show up at all on my IPad. Was it posted with the images?
I'll say what I said last year when I had the same discussion with some posters. I would be very surprised (and happy), if we get the game before my birthday (september 17).
But at this point, I mostly don't even care anymore about it. I simply have accepted that we'll get it when we'll get it.
Alpharius wrote: I don't think the prospect of 'shipping waves' has been talked about at all yet, has it?
It was discussed during or soon after the campaign and Poots said that everything would ship as one package due to shipping costs. I assume that is still the case as all the expansions will combine into a hefty box on their own. I hate to imagine how big the final parcel is going to be for all this...
Alpharius wrote: I don't think the prospect of 'shipping waves' has been talked about at all yet, has it?
It was discussed during or soon after the campaign and Poots said that everything would ship as one package due to shipping costs. I assume that is still the case as all the expansions will combine into a hefty box on their own. I hate to imagine how big the final parcel is going to be for all this...
Now that's what I remember!
As for shipping 'at one time' - well, that doesn't necessarily mean it will ship in 'one box'!
But at this point, I mostly don't even care anymore about it. I simply have accepted that we'll get it when we'll get it.
That's sorta where I am when I think about it.
In all honesty, I'm even considering selling it and all the other kingdom death stuff I have.
Can't decide.
Yeah, I'm currently going through that in my head as well. One factor in my decision is the ability for this game to be easily ordered from within the EU without excessive customs charges as well as steep postage from the US. If the EU doesn't get a distributor(s), which consequently makes the game harder to expand and rope others into playing, then to ebay it goes. The whole "no online retailers" message I've seen bandied about doesn't seem to indicate that there'll be much in the way of distributors anyway.
But at this point, I mostly don't even care anymore about it. I simply have accepted that we'll get it when we'll get it.
That's sorta where I am when I think about it.
In all honesty, I'm even considering selling it and all the other kingdom death stuff I have.
Can't decide.
I considered it, and ended up doing exactly that. I sold my different pledges to other people who were more than happy to take them over. I then went along and started selling my collection of KD (it was a completed one when I started), and just saving a couple that I really like. While I still like the range, and I believe that it will become even better as it continues to grow, the KD: Monsters just have taken too much focus and time away from what I liked about the company. I might jump on board the train later on again once it falls off the rader of the "trend-followers".
I think selling a Kingdom Death pledge is going to offer back a substantial investment. I'm not sure I would want to deprive myself of the misery this game looks to provide for the players (nevermind all that plastic).
I think subconsciously part of the reason I've been clearing stuff out of my house is to prepare for the coming of this game. It's presence is being felt before it even enters the world, and all my other games and figures are already trying to escape.
Much like how animals can sense something dreadful coming before it actually occurs.
Can I pick up some from the store, and use them to tide me over until we ever get the game?
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highlord tamburlaine wrote: I think selling a Kingdom Death pledge is going to offer back a substantial investment. I'm not sure I would want to deprive myself of the misery this game looks to provide for the players (nevermind all that plastic).
I think subconsciously part of the reason I've been clearing stuff out of my house is to prepare for the coming of this game. It's presence is being felt before it even enters the world, and all my other games and figures are already trying to escape.
Much like how animals can sense something dreadful coming before it actually occurs.
I don't know about this anymore. I think Adam has burned a lot of good will by now. With the stupid increase in shipping, I think this is the final straw for me.
gohkm wrote: I don't know about this anymore. I think Adam has burned a lot of good will by now. With the stupid increase in shipping, I think this is the final straw for me.
JohnHwangDD wrote:All of the KD minis are supposed to be compatible, which is why the store minis are getting KD:M cards bundled in to use as "special" / alt figures..
I don't think every figure has game cards *now* - has he said all figures will eventually?
spiralingcadaver wrote:
gohkm wrote: I don't know about this anymore. I think Adam has burned a lot of good will by now. With the stupid increase in shipping, I think this is the final straw for me.
Wait, what shipping increase?
The cost for Adam now vs. when it was originally projected to ship.
Oh. Not sure what the fuss is, then. I mean, it sucks for him and I agree that the huge delays have lost him good will, but how's that a "final straw"?
It's gonna be worth it, the long wait and the endless teasing, when you get that beautiful black box in the post, and you open it and angels sing in the background and you marvel at the macabre cyclopean beauty of all the beautifully disturbing things inside, meanwhile the angels get strangled by the tentacles of otherworldly shadowy beings and you start to hear the mad piping of the minions of an elder thing.
JohnHwangDD wrote:All of the KD minis are supposed to be compatible, which is why the store minis are getting KD:M cards bundled in to use as "special" / alt figures..
I don't think every figure has game cards *now* - has he said all figures will eventually?
Not ALL *now*, but that's where he's going. I don't believe he's committed to that, but it's not hard to see what he's doing when he's including KD:M items in his figures.
Not exactly, Spuralingcadaver. Adam switched international shipping to Priority only, so to ship a single model to Oz went from $20 to $44.
I don't mind the 3am rushes to the store, nor the exclusivity, but when shipping goes way past the price of the model, that's it for me.
I'm done buying new KD stuff. There's a lot of other nice stuff out there, and I'm graduating towards bigger scales, so I doubt I will miss KD very much.
Micky wrote: It's gonna be worth it, the long wait and the endless teasing, when you get that beautiful black box in the post, and you open it and angels sing in the background and you marvel at the macabre cyclopean beauty of all the beautifully disturbing things inside, meanwhile the angels get strangled by the tentacles of otherworldly shadowy beings and you start to hear the mad piping of the minions of an elder thing.
But maybe thats just me.
Same here. I'll forget about it for a while, and then another update is released, and I'm back in all over again. It's been a long wait, sure, but once they arrive, these will easily be the best models in my collection.
gohkm wrote: I don't know about this anymore. I think Adam has burned a lot of good will by now. With the stupid increase in shipping, I think this is the final straw for me.
Wait, what shipping increase?
with the most recent store releases overseas people no longer had a USPS first class (untracked) option which was about $14.50,
they could only pick the tracked service at about $45 which makes picking up a single mini for me in the UK pretty much not viable
this change does not seem to be because of changes in the USPS service/prices so is something KD has chosen to do, why we've not had any comment on yet, but presumably because he was having to 'replace' too much stuff that was undelivered, or maybe field too many 'it's not here yet' emails from those who don't understand that no tracking means no tracking........ I'm sure he didn't make the change to mess us poor international fans around, but it's still frustrating
JohnHwangDD wrote:All of the KD minis are supposed to be compatible, which is why the store minis are getting KD:M cards bundled in to use as "special" / alt figures..
I don't think every figure has game cards *now* - has he said all figures will eventually?
Not ALL *now*, but that's where he's going. I don't believe he's committed to that, but it's not hard to see what he's doing when he's including KD:M items in his figures.
He's still pretty spotty when it comes to that - I've bought a few of the recent additions (the new Knights, the saviors, etc.), and I don't think any came with KD: M game cards at all.
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Same here. I'll forget about it for a while, and then another update is released, and I'm back in all over again. It's been a long wait, sure, but once they arrive, these will easily be the best models in my collection.
I think they'll be very good, don't get me wrong, but I think a lot of other companies have caught up to KD in regards to quality.
Arena Rex, Infamy, and Twizted come to mind immediately.
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Same here. I'll forget about it for a while, and then another update is released, and I'm back in all over again. It's been a long wait, sure, but once they arrive, these will easily be the best models in my collection.
I think they'll be very good, don't get me wrong, but I think a lot of other companies have caught up to KD in regards to quality.
Arena Rex, Infamy, and Twizted come to mind immediately.
That's fair, especially with Arena Rex (always forget about that one). I admit I'm concerned about the future viability of KD. Poots has made some strange statements about distribution before. I'd hate to see them go to all this trouble only to fall apart after retail launch.
If he wants to be the head of a huge gaming company distribution is really going to be essential,
if he just wants to have fun bringing his vision to life, plus paying the bills for a reasonable lifestyle sticking to his principles and avoiding distribution is not really going to hurt him (the ebay re-sellers will handle that side for him anyway)
and once the plastic is there non-US buyers will have more to order than the 1 or 2 resin minis they don't have that appear in the shop when there's a restock thus making the shipping costs more palatable
if I'm spending the $25 then $45 shipping for a teeny tiny box is too painful, if I'm spending $250 on a mini or two plus a few game expansions it's much less painful and the actual bx will be bigger too
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Same here. I'll forget about it for a while, and then another update is released, and I'm back in all over again. It's been a long wait, sure, but once they arrive, these will easily be the best models in my collection.
I think they'll be very good, don't get me wrong, but I think a lot of other companies have caught up to KD in regards to quality.
Arena Rex, Infamy, and Twizted come to mind immediately.
Got a link for Twizted? Not heard of 'em before and my Google-Fu is weak! :(
Got my storm knight in. The body essentially comes in three main pieces, then like three sprues of little tiny smoke pieces.
I'm a bit scared to put it together, some of these resin pieces are tiny, but I'll be damned if this thing isn't going to look amazing, even unpainted.
I picked up the Fighter, Sword Hunter and the White Knight (Heavy). I almost missed out on the Fighter and White Knight but there were still a few left when I woke up.
This version of the White Knight looks much better IMO, the pose of the original White Knight looked "off" to me.
cincydooley wrote: I've put a hiatus on my KD purchases until we get the KS stuff. As much as I like the Warlords and that Male White Knight, I think this is my line
That's a good philosophy here - and elsewhere - I think.
Now that you mention it, I've suspended all Otherworld Miniatures until that hellaciously ate Indiegogo campaign finally finishes delivering...
After the Christmas and haloween fun, i'm also on the "just waiting" boat.
It really was "how much more expensive can we make them and still sell" and that really put me off....
The prices are still "reasonable", but not for the UK. And then there's how they're moulding all these new models but no sign of the KS fulfilment in sight...
Yes, i am now bitter. Even if i love the models...
BlackTalos wrote: After the Christmas and haloween fun, i'm also on the "just waiting" boat.
It really was "how much more expensive can we make them and still sell" and that really put me off....
The prices are still "reasonable", but not for the UK. And then there's how they're moulding all these new models but no sign of the KS fulfilment in sight...
Yes, i am now bitter. Even if i love the models...
Which models are you referring to that they stretched the price on?
BlackTalos wrote: After the Christmas and haloween fun, i'm also on the "just waiting" boat.
It really was "how much more expensive can we make them and still sell" and that really put me off....
The prices are still "reasonable", but not for the UK. And then there's how they're moulding all these new models but no sign of the KS fulfilment in sight...
Yes, i am now bitter. Even if i love the models...
Which models are you referring to that they stretched the price on?
As i look for the models i realise that the first two were pretty much "standard":
Halloween Special Pinup Twilight Knight
Pinup Visionary
And then i cannot find the Christmas special, where she's sitting on a Bag of presents IIRC? which went up to $50 if memory serves... (for the 1 - larger - model)
BlackTalos wrote: After the Christmas and haloween fun, i'm also on the "just waiting" boat.
It really was "how much more expensive can we make them and still sell" and that really put me off....
The prices are still "reasonable", but not for the UK. And then there's how they're moulding all these new models but no sign of the KS fulfilment in sight...
Yes, i am now bitter. Even if i love the models...
Which models are you referring to that they stretched the price on?
As i look for the models i realise that the first two were pretty much "standard":
Halloween Special Pinup Twilight Knight
Pinup Visionary
And then i cannot find the Christmas special, where she's sitting on a Bag of presents IIRC? which went up to $50 if memory serves... (for the 1 - larger - model)
Yeah, the Xmas special had the most complaints iirc, but it turned out to be a 54mm model on a scenic base.
Sinful Hero wrote: Yeah, the Xmas special had the most complaints iirc, but it turned out to be a 54mm model on a scenic base.
Ah, i see. Well it sort of excuses the prices (barely), but then the entire range is "Private Party for the Rich with no +1s and very strict dress code"... lol
The "they're doing a pile of other things without finishing the KS still stands though....
Sinful Hero wrote: Yeah, the Xmas special had the most complaints iirc, but it turned out to be a 54mm model on a scenic base.
Ah, i see. Well it sort of excuses the prices (barely), but then the entire range is "Private Party for the Rich with no +1s and very strict dress code"... lol
The "they're doing a pile of other things without finishing the KS still stands though....
In fairness, it's at the print factory; the KD sculptors and warehouse folks can't make machines in China print any faster. It's similar to complaining that a video game has released a new armor look or other cosmetic feature rather than fixing core gameplay bugs in the engine; the people involved with one have comparatively little to do with the other, and there's no reason to NOT continue making products in their traditional method given that the KS work is almost wholly different people.
Copying over the comment in the newsletter from the KS thread for those who don't go to that forum since it is a small bit of news:
Spoiler:
Kickstarter & Pre-orders
We are waiting on some news from our printer before we post the next kickstarter update. In our next push, we will be asking everyone to verify their shipping address. Things are getting close and its extremely exciting.
We will be opening the door to public pre-orders once the fulfillment plan has been squared away. This will finally give all of the people that missed out, a chance to pick up the game and get it just behind all the backers that have been patiently waiting for its completion.
There is no set date for when pre-orders will open yet. Thank you.
When will my order ship?
High volume sales may cause shipping delays. Generally we pack and ship orders daily, however during new releases we estimate shipping delays up to 2 weeks. We apologize, please be kind to Joe as he processes and packs your order. Here is his direct line joe@kingdomdeath.com. Thank you!
Be as descriptive as possible and make sure to include your pledge receipt# that was given to you when you confirmed your pledge.
Backer Change of Address
Please visit backer.kingdomdeath.com to update your mailing address. If you are a bronze, silver or gold backer (from the black friday webstore promotion) contact joe@kingdomdeath.com for details on how to log in. Thank you!
It's also worth noting that the cheaper (first class rather than tracked) shipping service is back for non-US shoppers which is a big deal as it moves prices back to 'just about affordable' from 'nope, can't do that'
no word as to whether last time was a glitch or a deliberate policy though
I guess i find it strange that printing cards is holding back the project, rather than production of the models (which would be affected by "new models").
Maybe an organisational issue then (doing the printing after having produced all the minis rather than the other way around).
It's a big shame for the new shipping charges too, and how they are not allowing separate orders to join onto the Kickstarters shipment. (Buy some new releases and add to the KS parcel that is coming anyway...)
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: It's also worth noting that the cheaper (first class rather than tracked) shipping service is back for non-US shoppers which is a big deal as it moves prices back to 'just about affordable' from 'nope, can't do that'
no word as to whether last time was a glitch or a deliberate policy though
BlackTalos wrote: I guess i find it strange that printing cards is holding back the project, rather than production of the models (which would be affected by "new models").
Maybe an organisational issue then (doing the printing after having produced all the minis rather than the other way around).
It's a big shame for the new shipping charges too, and how they are not allowing separate orders to join onto the Kickstarters shipment. (Buy some new releases and add to the KS parcel that is coming anyway...)
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: It's also worth noting that the cheaper (first class rather than tracked) shipping service is back for non-US shoppers which is a big deal as it moves prices back to 'just about affordable' from 'nope, can't do that'
no word as to whether last time was a glitch or a deliberate policy though
Ooooh, good news
Don't forget they've been doing playtesting while the tools and models were being made- theyre being done last because they were the most likely to need changes. The fact that they're printing must mean the rules are complete.
Also most of the new releases have been resin- completely different process to the HIPS the kickstarter stuff is being made from. Only complaint there is that he has released some models in HIPS, but that could be explained away by gaps in the production schedule(such as waiting on a sculptor, test model, etc. allowing time for a new quick release.
Sinful Hero wrote: Yeah, the Xmas special had the most complaints iirc, but it turned out to be a 54mm model on a scenic base.
Ah, i see. Well it sort of excuses the prices (barely), but then the entire range is "Private Party for the Rich with no +1s and very strict dress code"... lol
The "they're doing a pile of other things without finishing the KS still stands though....
With the game at print for $2+M worth of product, that's going to take a while to finish printing. It's a lot of paper that needs proper drying, pressing, cutting. Adam compounded things by adding more and more content to the game, while choosing not to break out The Game (only) as a standalone initial shipment.
I'm just glad to think that the models and such will actually deliver, hopefully, sometime this summer.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: It's also worth noting that the cheaper (first class rather than tracked) shipping service is back for non-US shoppers which is a big deal as it moves prices back to 'just about affordable' from 'nope, can't do that'
no word as to whether last time was a glitch or a deliberate policy though
Wow - looking through some of the comments here I saw mention of a "visionary" - and thought, "huh, I don't remember that one."
I looked through their store in the sold out section - there's been like 10 releases (white knights, thief, visionaries, fighter, etc ) I've never even caught wind of. Sold out and hidden away before their existence was ever even made public apparently!
Schmapdi wrote: Wow - looking through some of the comments here I saw mention of a "visionary" - and thought, "huh, I don't remember that one."
I looked through their store in the sold out section - there's been like 10 releases (white knights, thief, visionaries, fighter, etc ) I've never even caught wind of. Sold out and hidden away before their existence was ever even made public apparently!
That's the story of Kingdom Death. One moment life seems fine and then the veil lifts and you look back to see the formerly pristine path littered with corpses and wailing masses surrounding you. As panic takes hold, horror surges up from the dark places of your heart as you realize that the chilling cries of despair are not entirely foreign.
Even with email notifications, I've missed out on plenty of releases.
Schmapdi wrote: Wow - looking through some of the comments here I saw mention of a "visionary" - and thought, "huh, I don't remember that one."
I looked through their store in the sold out section - there's been like 10 releases (white knights, thief, visionaries, fighter, etc ) I've never even caught wind of. Sold out and hidden away before their existence was ever even made public apparently!
That's the story of Kingdom Death. One moment life seems fine and then the veil lifts and you look back to see the formerly pristine path littered with corpses and wailing masses surrounding you. As panic takes hold, horror surges up from the dark places of your heart as you realize that the chilling cries of despair are not entirely foreign.
Even with email notifications, I've missed out on plenty of releases.
It certainly is an ... interesting way to run a business.
Schmapdi wrote: Wow - looking through some of the comments here I saw mention of a "visionary" - and thought, "huh, I don't remember that one."
I looked through their store in the sold out section - there's been like 10 releases (white knights, thief, visionaries, fighter, etc ) I've never even caught wind of. Sold out and hidden away before their existence was ever even made public apparently!
That's the story of Kingdom Death. One moment life seems fine and then the veil lifts and you look back to see the formerly pristine path littered with corpses and wailing masses surrounding you. As panic takes hold, horror surges up from the dark places of your heart as you realize that the chilling cries of despair are not entirely foreign.
Even with email notifications, I've missed out on plenty of releases.
It certainly is an ... interesting way to run a business.
Obviously it works. Most things sell out within a few hours.
Schmapdi wrote: Wow - looking through some of the comments here I saw mention of a "visionary" - and thought, "huh, I don't remember that one."
I looked through their store in the sold out section - there's been like 10 releases (white knights, thief, visionaries, fighter, etc ) I've never even caught wind of. Sold out and hidden away before their existence was ever even made public apparently!
That's the story of Kingdom Death. One moment life seems fine and then the veil lifts and you look back to see the formerly pristine path littered with corpses and wailing masses surrounding you. As panic takes hold, horror surges up from the dark places of your heart as you realize that the chilling cries of despair are not entirely foreign.
Even with email notifications, I've missed out on plenty of releases.
It certainly is an ... interesting way to run a business.
Obviously it works. Most things sell out within a few hours.
Pretty easy to do when you only make 100 of something to sell.
To be fair, it's usually 500 units per release which is still a small amount. Just have to hope you make it on the next wave containing the models you missed.
This particular KD business practice is why I purchased as much as I could from the kickstarter.
Personally, I'd be very happy if they allowed monthly/quarterly pre-orders of miniatures kind of like batch processing to increase the general availability of models and decrease the wait time for obtaining them.
Schmapdi wrote: Wow - looking through some of the comments here I saw mention of a "visionary" - and thought, "huh, I don't remember that one."
I looked through their store in the sold out section - there's been like 10 releases (white knights, thief, visionaries, fighter, etc ) I've never even caught wind of. Sold out and hidden away before their existence was ever even made public apparently!
That's the story of Kingdom Death. One moment life seems fine and then the veil lifts and you look back to see the formerly pristine path littered with corpses and wailing masses surrounding you. As panic takes hold, horror surges up from the dark places of your heart as you realize that the chilling cries of despair are not entirely foreign.
Even with email notifications, I've missed out on plenty of releases.
It certainly is an ... interesting way to run a business.
Obviously it works. Most things sell out within a few hours.
Pretty easy to do when you only make 100 of something to sell.
As Dentry said, 500. Still takes a while, and builds up hype for an encore several months later.
What usually happens he encores it until stock sits for a few days. Of course this process takes a couple months/years.
Dentry wrote: This particular KD business practice is why I purchased as much as I could from the kickstarter.
This was a major factor for me as well, adding on that the game itself sounds like a crazy good time, and that was what sealed the deal. I'm also afraid of resin, so the figures being available in plastic was another huge plus for me.
God, between my fiancee, my cousin, and myself (all on my pledge), we got damn near everything except for some of the pinups/promos, the Lion God, and the tree. The only one I kind of regret not getting was Survivor Candy, because we've since become huge fans of SDE.
Between myself and myself, I ended up with everything except the pinups and a survivor pledge.
Wish I got the survivor box for the extra pieces, but I think between everything else I'll be good.
I like that new White Speaker Sword Mistress or whatever she's called. Looks cool. If they didn't sell out instantly, and I could paint decent enough, I'd love to try my hand at one.
Maybe I should give that Restic Twilight Knight a try...
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Between myself and myself, I ended up with everything except the pinups and a survivor pledge.
Wish I got the survivor box for the extra pieces, but I think between everything else I'll be good.
I like that new White Speaker Sword Mistress or whatever she's called. Looks cool. If they didn't sell out instantly, and I could paint decent enough, I'd love to try my hand at one.
Maybe I should give that Restic Twilight Knight a try...
It's not bad, but it's kinda meh. If you have the patience it is one of the models he regularly encores.
Or get the Pinups of Death box and get it in HIPS.
...Or are you talking about the original twilight knight?
Did anyone else think the proportions were off a bit on the Fighter, even compared to other KD minis?
It's fluffy apparently ...
the Fighter is a host to parasitic worms that regenerate her body. They make her near-immortal, pale, and her eyes yellow. The worms feed off the water and salt in her body and thus she must consume copious amounts of both to stay alive but the resulting diet keeps her body swollen, obscuring her muscular frame. Her fighting style is sloppy and agressive, unhindered by fear of harm.
Though I think these parasites must be pretty common in the realm of Kingdom Death ... at least among the women.
Yes, the Fighter was curvy even in the realm of Kingdom Death. But she's one of my favorite models so far and I'm sad I wasn't in time to procure one because she's got a lot of character - not a euphemism for boobs - and I'm a fan of axes.
Of this latest batch I was quite tempted by the White Knight, he was pretty badass, but the others didn't do much for me. But with shipping (+$15) and taxes (+$20), I just can't justify making a purchase for a single mini. And then of course a few days later, when the Knight is long gone, the Flower Witch shows up... If a lot of stuff was available simultaneously, I would splurge for a big order, but I just can't afford to buy them piecemeal like this. Frustrated!
Yes, the Fighter was curvy even in the realm of Kingdom Death. But she's one of my favorite models so far and I'm sad I wasn't in time to procure one because she's got a lot of character - not a euphemism for boobs - and I'm a fan of axes.
That might be one of my favorite things I've read on Dakka. I'm looking forward to seeing the other "generic classes", because the thief and fighter are freaking awesome. I wish I had been able to snag that thief model.
Edit: Hm, I don't remember the Flower Witch, I really like her! Would love to see her as a future Monster expansion, would have to give her the same (horribly painted) scheme that I'm going to give my Flower Knight. The Flower Knight and Alison the Twilight Knight continue to be my two favorite things Kingdom Death have done. I have a thing for knights, apparently.
cincydooley wrote: I've put a hiatus on my KD purchases until we get the KS stuff. As much as I like the Warlords and that Male White Knight, I think this is my line
That's a good philosophy here - and elsewhere - I think.
Now that you mention it, I've suspended all Otherworld Miniatures until that hellaciously ate Indiegogo campaign finally finishes delivering...
I've not bought anything in a while from the shop. I'm currently on a 'No game content? No sale' hiatus and will most likely stick with that. So, my only recent purchases were the plastic pin ups box and Xmas special, both came with game addons. Saved me money and frustration in the long run.
Chances are, any resin releases meant for gameplay will be redone in plastic anyway and bundled with appropriate rules. So, this way, I won't be paying twice for the same model!
Stealthcat wrote: Do people sell pledges on here at the Swap Shop? I haven't seen any recent ones.
I think by now anybody who wants to sell will have done so and those of us will pledges are looking forward to getting them as we're entering the final (hopefully) few months of waiting,
although you might get lucky and come across somebody who has to sell for financial reasons
Had to do a double take when I saw this, but new sculpt from Hector Moran. Not at all like anything I have seen from KD before, but he says it's for Adam and has the KD stamp.
Spoiler'ed for size.
No Update, but Adam answers some questions in the KD:M comments. So it's nice that it's not all radio silence.
He's plugging away, and apparently, there's been some issue or delay with the vacuum-formed tray/insert - this is not uncommon. Saw this with Ogre DE and Journey.
Still, it'd be nice if he can make some kind of update compiling things.
@Jimmy, I have never nor will I ever lie to you. I shared the information that was provided to me open and honestly. I am sorry you feel frustrated, many of us here, including myself are less then thrilled about the overall production speed. However, as the project leader and the one that selected the talented factories we are working with. It is my responsibility to ensure that they meet our quality demands.
@Chris Linton, That is a matter of opinion. I have put everything into this project, far beyond what most reasonable project creators may or may not have. Chris if you have a problem, message me directly. Since this is a public board, there are many limitations on what I can say.
@Ceetee, no. And I got in trouble for sharing that as it was private information for our printer! I am awaiting on a updated production sample, that fixes some details that went awry. For example, the gorgeous vac tray we worked so hard on to design... kept getting crushed under the weight of all the assets in the game box during our shipping tests! So we've had to thicken it up and add cardboard supports under it.
@Michael Rinaldi, My time has recently been spent on managing the last few things in the way of getting our games loaded onto boats and shipped over to us. This includes finalizing our fulfillment strategy and it looks like there will be good news for our international backers. I know its hard, but we will get there and soon. My time right now, is best spent on the forefront of making this happen. We are close. That's all I can really share at this time.
@Chris Linton, at this point. I am all in on this. No exceptions, no corner cutting. Only the best I can possibly deliver. Your viewpoint of me as a Project Manager is still opinion. There is nothing wrong with that and you are very much entitled to it. For you to state that as fact, you would have had to haven been in the trenches with the team and been part of the daily decision making process. Chris, I can find a single private message from you on dec 14th 2014. I apologize I did not answer your very simple question. If you sent me messages under a different name, please PM that to me so I can find them. We endeavor to answer everything, but sometimes things do slip between the cracks. I am personally sorry.
@Michael Rinaldi, I have stopped broadcasting during the climax points of the development & manufacturing, as they are often very time consuming. I have to very carefully pick my words otherwise misinterpretation can lead to an avalanche of backer communication. Since I like to personally answer these as often as possible, I have found its better to stay away from mass updates during these periods. Michael, I am sorry and I do truly understand where you are coming from. Yes, it seems simple. But right now anything that distracts me from pushing the final little bits of this project over the finish line, are getting filtered out. I realize and accept the downside of having such a filter on. I am looking forward to when I can resume my role of being a more accessible and public project leader.
This project was never about practical business sense. If it was, it couldn't exist, because there isn't any! This was always about reaching for the absolute best experience I can muster. You will hopefully understand when this now 18lb game box arrives. (The thicker vac-tray has further increased its weight). Until then, all I can ask is to direct problems directly towards me and be good to each other here on our shared kickstarter comment page.
Looks as if everything is possibly not on schedule, and that there might be more delays?
I knew his dates were going to slip. Still, Poots has a solid reputation and does, indeed deliver the very best. As long as the figures hold up to the KD standard, I expect most everyone will be forgiving of the delays.
Because I'm bored AND because the Red Sox are losing:
Chris Linton about 6 hours ago
@Adam, I have privately messaged you in the past and have never had a response. Not sure why that would change now. And no, my statement is not a "matter of opinion". As a Creative Director, you are fantastic, one of the best I've ever seen. As a Project Manager you are, not "terrible", I apologize for that hyperbole, but you are bad at that job. The amount of blood and sweat you have poured into the creative side is obvious. The hard decisions that come with managing a successful project are all being made with the creative side of your brain, and that is harming the project as a whole.
For example, if the insert was causing problems, just don't include it in the box. No one expected to have a super-sexy insert, and we would have been perfectly happy with a box. Personally, I always use Plano boxes to sort small fiddly components. It was a great idea, but you seem not to want to make cuts that will help the project as a whole. I would encourage you to continue to make cuts that don't hurt the quality of the core game. If this project ticks over into 2 years overdue (which seems likely) that's really going to damage it.
Chris Linton about 8 hours ago
@Jimmy, it's not that Adam lied, it's just that he's a terrible project manager
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Chris Linton about 9 hours ago
@Poots "I am sorry you feel frustrated" should read, "I am sorry I screwed this up so badly". "less than thrilled" should read "angry and disillusioned". Take some responsibility for your freaking screwups.
Honestly - angry guy has some fair points - though doesn't get them across well.
I remember reading some of the updates from years (*sigh*) past where Poots kept saying things like "we're using this time to add to this and this and this" and me wondering if adding to the complexity was a good thing.
I do have to wonder if someone else had been managing this (i.e. someone for whom this project isn't their baby) if it would have shipped 6 months ago or more.
Since I pledged for a lot of add ons and not the main box, I don't believe I benefit from any of these time consuming improvements. Whatever. I just want it to arrive before Torn freaking Armor does. I doubt I'll have it before Total Extinction, Deadzone 2 or even MEdge.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Since I pledged for a lot of add ons and not the main box, I don't believe I benefit from any of these time consuming improvements. Whatever. I just want it to arrive before Torn freaking Armor does. I doubt I'll have it before Total Extinction, Deadzone 2 or even MEdge.
You can at least count on it looking better than all of those at least.
To be honest, "Chris Linton" is correct that KD:M was not particularly well-managed.
Adam was kind of all over the map in terms of managing this project, what with his plan to sculpt everything; produce everything; then create rules; then print. Plus insane scope creep.
Had he just pushed to get the base game and resins out the door ASAP, he never would have had time to creep the base game up to 18(!!!!) pounds. We could have had that core box in hand over a year ago, and then would be wondering what would happen with all of the Wave 2 expansions and extras, which would be hitting late this year.
OTOH, the game wouldn't be as overproduced as it is going to be.
As for when Adam will make and end? I accept that it will be when he is ready.
As I said before a few times, just like with Raging Heroes, there's no creative director here to say "enough is enough already!" and finally push things into production and shipping.
However, unlike Raging Heroes, we have been well-informed on many of the decisions and we're not met with mock, derision or a temper tantrum over feedback given to the creator and his pet project.
Also, split shipping is not an option, especially not for non-US backers, who have already paid so little in shipping (I think it was $45 or so, don't quote me on that, it's been aeons ago since I pledged). I've got a feeling that the shipping fees may still bite him in the ass once that actually starts happening, seeing as the fees have gone up and up over the years.
BrookM wrote: It's also going to bite us non-US backers in the ass, no doubt about that! Big and heavy box = automatic flashing light for customs stooges.
You would wish, its a strobe-light with a siren on top and fireworks blazing.
I am really hoping the spinet of possible good news for international customers to be something along the lines of within EU shipping for us.
@Michael Rinaldi, My time has recently been spent on managing the last few things in the way of getting our games loaded onto boats and shipped over to us. This includes finalizing our fulfillment strategy and it looks like there will be good news for our international backers. I know its hard, but we will get there and soon. My time right now, is best spent on the forefront of making this happen. We are close. That's all I can really share at this time.
Please have an European distribution plan. Please oh please oh please
BrookM wrote:It's also going to bite us non-US backers in the ass, no doubt about that! Big and heavy box = automatic flashing light for customs stooges.
The equivalent of being told to "Step into this room, sir" and then hearing the dreaded snap of a latex glove...?
@Michael Rinaldi, My time has recently been spent on managing the last few things in the way of getting our games loaded onto boats and shipped over to us. This includes finalizing our fulfillment strategy and it looks like there will be good news for our international backers. I know its hard, but we will get there and soon. My time right now, is best spent on the forefront of making this happen. We are close. That's all I can really share at this time.
Please have an European distribution plan. Please oh please oh please
There is no dodging the tax man, not in any meaningful way. Without manufacturing and or assembly within the EU there are really no options.
You can use a freight forwarder to bring a bulk shipment in but there will be someone paid to send it to the backers that will cost. That cost will be passed to you. It essentially becomes a wash.
He could have it assemble in the EU, chances are, the same result as above. This is why I have a link on the front page of my website to my overseas retailers. Even if I run a 30% off sale it costs the customer a small amount more than if they had purchased it locally at full retail.
