Core Game - $200
Flower Knight - $50
Man Hunter - $50
Lion Knight - $50
Dragon King - $80
Gorm - $80
Dung Beetle Knight - $50
Spidicules - $80
Sunstalker - $80
Lion God - $50
Lantern Festival - $80
Slender Man - $50
Lonely Tree - $60
(all expansions bought through KS are currently budgeted to get the full retail packaging)
Yikes. Fear of retail pricing is one of the things that kept me from going big into the KS. I'm glad I didn't take the plunge. Too pricey for me to add onto later at retail, especially given Poot's stance on retail discounts.
Yes, that's going to be a...hard sell for any of my friends. A hard sell for me, frankly - I only got in on the "late backer" pledges, where the options were 1) a survivor pledge with no add-ons, 2) survivor+every single expansion listed above at an increased price, and 3) everything produced in plastic for the campaign for an eye-watering sum. I went for the only option under $500, with the hopes of picking up a couple of expansions at retail (as I don't think there's enough monster variety in the base box), but every single one of those costs as much as 1 or 2 full standalone board games.
An odd question, perhaps, but was anyone else expecting the RRP of these sets to actually not increase in price relative to the PVC versions advertised? The tooling costs for hard plastic are obviously so much higher, but the Kickstarter presumably covered those costs, meaning that Poots would end up with high-quality stuff for a very low material cost and the ability to go truly mass-market. I suppose that would spoil the 'boutique' part of his business model, but it also means that I'm never likely to convince other people that this is worth a go.
Tooling for PVC is a bit cheaper than polystyrene,
layout is easier as some undercuts are possible, and (some of) the machines run at somewhat lower pressure meaning you can use cheaper aluminium moulds (and possibly copper from a recent Marrow Productions shot) which are a softer metal thus faster to tool (which is where a big chunk of mould costs come from)
I think another 'problem' is that Adam keeps adding things, squeezing extra bits onto the sprues and cards into the decks, more art (and thus pages) into the rulebooks etc
which is where a fair bit of the extra costs come from
I always knew it was going to be expensive but hoped (and it certainly looks like my faith has been rewarded) the quality would make it worth while
Yeah, wow. Full game and all expansions from retail is 960. Full game and all expansions with the original Kickstarter price is 470 (assuming no early bird special). That's more than half off.
That'll certainly help me sleep a bit easier about the money I dropped on this.
Core Game $100.00 $200.00 $100.00
Flower Knight $15.00 $50.00 $35.00
Man Hunter $20.00 $50.00 $30.00
Lion Knight $25.00 $50.00 $25.00
Dragon King $30.00 $80.00 $50.00
Gorm $40.00 $80.00 $40.00
Dung Beetle Knight $25.00 $50.00 $25.00
Spidicules $40.00 $80.00 $40.00
Sunstalker $45.00 $80.00 $35.00
Lion God $25.00 $50.00 $25.00
Lantern Festival $45.00 $80.00 $35.00
Slender Man $25.00 $50.00 $25.00
Lonely Tree $30.00 $60.00 $30.00
$465.00 $960.00 $495.00
I know I spent...a lot... on this one, but I'm now really glad I did.
The quality will be there, and I'm not sure that this will ever hit 'discount' retail anywhere, given Adam's past/current selling stance combined with the overall theme of the miniatures and game...
Yeah, really excited about this game and expect really good things, but... those prices. This game has got to blow the competition out of the water to warrant people buying it at retail, with prices that high.
While the KS prices are pretty great - it forces you into a cycle of either: a) Dropping $500+ on every KD Kickstarter to get them while you can at a decent price b) Paying double (or more than) at retail pricing.
And I do think it will greatly reduce the sales to people who didn't get it on the KS.
I know I would balk at $200 for a game + $50 for an expansion that had a single mini in it. Even if they were super super high quality.
I don't think that's an issue for him, Schmapdi. Poots sells his stuff for a premium anyway and has always been a boutique business and never intended to be a "mass" market game maker the likes of Dreamforge or CMoN.
If you don't like the price you can just quit and play some other game! I'm tired of all this whining!
Honestly though. I'm another person who's very happy to have gotten in on the kickstarter. I think the retail prices may be more palatable after we get them in our hands to actually see what's in the box. All the expansions seem especially brutal, but I'm hoping there's a lot of cards and such to help make the eveything's cost more understandable.
If you had to choose, Sunstalker or Spidicules? I chose Sunstalker because of the "extra" character(Miko), and the fact it can be used as a final boss.
First, I am indeed glad to have gotten in on this early.
Second, it occurs to me that we may be looking at a different reality then during the Campaign: that is, during the campaign the talk from Adam and others was that this game would remain boutique, sold through limited retailers and kept out of the general pool of discounters that we would expect a war game to attempt to break into. But it's worth remembering that the decision to go into hard plastics for this project didn't happen during the campaign, but a good deal after, to the best of my knowledge.
But the current reality is that the project is fundamentally different then it was at conception, and that these prices may not just reflect the contents of the boxes swelling, but also a potential new retail strategy. Put simply, having paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to tool the molds necessary for this project, the change in the material of the components fundamentally changes the math for selling.
Formulated another way we can look at what the costs would have been in restic or metal or whatever. For any of those set-ups, there is a very limited economy of scale; molds for spin cast resins, metals and so on wear out and that cost has to be figured into the production costs. But plastic, hard plastic, is different. Hard plastic is the medium of choice when the machines are meant to run day and night and put out piles of components. Far more then will ever be consumed even by the hunger of a paltry few thousand backers.
In hard plastic, with the molds already paid for up front, the model components go from a significant element of the price of these kits to a much, much smaller share. If my reasoning holds, these prices may reflect the possibility of these kits entering the normal (i.e., discounted) stream of retail selling. After all, these prices may be high, but knock 10-15-20% off, and they start looking pretty damn fine to people that didn't get the chance to get in on the campaign.
Just to be clear I don't mean this in a conspiratorial or condemnatory fashion; I'm just pointing out that if you are going to go through the costs of making the components of a kit in hard plastic, you want to make as many as you can.
Sinful, I like the spidicules better than the sunstalker, but prefer the sunstalker armor to the spidicules armor... I went with both, but would go with the sunstalker if only one, because you're going to be using armor more often than monsters, presumably.
200 bucks is fairly high in comparison to most table game. But as mentioned his stuff is generally higher end than say stuff from CMON.
If the game is a home run and the quality is great I think it would have little issue of selling among your more devoted gamers.
I compare board game to seeing a movie. If you have a group of 4 people, and get 10 to 15 hours of game play out of it, you at least get your money's worth. More than that, than it's likely you really enjoyed the game and well worth the price.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Sinful, I like the spidicules better than the sunstalker, but prefer the sunstalker armor to the spidicules armor... I went with both, but would go with the sunstalker if only one, because you're going to be using armor more often than monsters, presumably.
On that note, have we seen the updated Spidicules yet? I agree completely with your sentiment btw. The Sunstalker armor looks much better IMO, and Spidicules(before an update anyway) seems to be a cooler model than the Sunstalker. Which is why Miko and the final boss addition helped me decide.
Piston, that's a pretty good idea of measuring. I'd actually say movies less expensive than your gauge since buying a DVD is pretty cheap, but also would factor in painting to the game's value, meaning a good game with nice minis is worth a lot to me.
Sinful, no, I don't believe we've seen the spidicules in quite some time.
Anyone have the link to the pledge manager? I'd like to add a few more survivor's, and armor sets, and the last expansion that I'd overlooked at the time.
Game isn't something for the mass market, or you are going to get some left wing liberal gob crying about how its "offensive" and steps on any number of any social engineered groups rights. Best left at the "Boutique level of pricing to keep out the riff raff.
Wait till this thing hits market, you will hear no end to the B!@#$ing and Moaning about how it hurts peoples "Feelings".
I for one, can't wait. I'll be playing it any chance I can get.
Only concern I have for a couple of the models is how they are going to stand up, and if some of the legs are going to be too thin to keep the beasts upright. Spidicules is one of them, Slenderman is another.
Grot 6 wrote: Only concern I have for a couple of the models is how they are going to stand up, and if some of the legs are going to be too thin to keep the beasts upright. Spidicules is one of them, Slenderman is another.
Spidicules is made of lightweight plastic and has tons of gribbly legs to attach to the base. Doesn't seem like too much of a problem in terms of standing upright. I still wish we had an image of the model. It's the one I'm looking forward to most. I love spiders.
Grot 6 wrote: I got in at the midnight hour with PayPal.
Anyone have the link to the pledge manager? I'd like to add a few more survivor's, and armor sets, and the last expansion that I'd overlooked at the time.
Game isn't something for the mass market, or you are going to get some left wing liberal gob crying about how its "offensive" and steps on any number of any social engineered groups rights. Best left at the "Boutique level of pricing to keep out the riff raff.
Wait till this thing hits market, you will hear no end to the B!@#$ing and Moaning about how it hurts peoples "Feelings".
I for one, can't wait. I'll be playing it any chance I can get.
Grot 6 wrote: I got in at the midnight hour with PayPal.
Anyone have the link to the pledge manager? I'd like to add a few more survivor's, and armor sets, and the last expansion that I'd overlooked at the time.
These high increases in retail price makes me fear that Adam Poots want the backers to drop even more money into it, and since he allows people to join the "ks" late (even if they weren't actually backing the ks), this would force even more of those to "pre-order" the game.
For me, these increases of price stands for something else other than a justified cost of RRP. I don't like the way this is turning. :/
grefven wrote: These high increases in retail price makes me fear that Adam Poots want the backers to drop even more money into it, and since he allows people to join the "ks" late (even if they weren't actually backing the ks), this would force even more of those to "pre-order" the game.
For me, these increases of price stands for something else other than a justified cost of RRP. I don't like the way this is turning. :/
As far as I know, people who ordered one of the Black Friday offerings are not allowed to use the pledge manager; the re-opening additions is just for people who backed during the initial offering. The BF "anniversary edition" folks had their choice of canned options and that's all they would get. The re-opening of the pledge manager has much more to do with giving the backers a second bite at the apple, especially given how much said apple has changed since we initially pledged. It's a "thank you" for our patience and faith, not a required "you must pay me more" scenario.
I suspect Buzzsaw is correct that the new retail pricing really reflects a new retail reality. His initial plan was that after the KS fulfillment you could buy the game and expansions from him and a few select retailers in keeping with KD's boutique nature; primarily CMoN with whom he has a good working relationship and various B&M stores. That was based on PVC plastic and a comparatively small production run. Now that he has most of the game in a mass-market material, that equation changes sharply.
Fortunately, I have only an academic interest in that part of things since I'm good on KD:M stuff for a while yet.
Thankfully, the fiancee and I already dropped a gak-load of money into this the first time, getting all game things minus the lonely tree and lion god, and we each got a few pin-ups, so we shan't be dropping any more on this. It's a good feeling, since it devastated my wallet the first time around! Still, it's awesome that people have a chance to add more, even if it is more expensive.
grefven wrote: These high increases in retail price makes me fear that Adam Poots want the backers to drop even more money into it, and since he allows people to join the "ks" late (even if they weren't actually backing the ks), this would force even more of those to "pre-order" the game.
For me, these increases of price stands for something else other than a justified cost of RRP. I don't like the way this is turning. :/
As far as I know, people who ordered one of the Black Friday offerings are not allowed to use the pledge manager; the re-opening additions is just for people who backed during the initial offering. The BF "anniversary edition" folks had their choice of canned options and that's all they would get. The re-opening of the pledge manager has much more to do with giving the backers a second bite at the apple, especially given how much said apple has changed since we initially pledged. It's a "thank you" for our patience and faith, not a required "you must pay me more" scenario.
I suspect Buzzsaw is correct that the new retail pricing really reflects a new retail reality. His initial plan was that after the KS fulfillment you could buy the game and expansions from him and a few select retailers in keeping with KD's boutique nature; primarily CMoN with whom he has a good working relationship and various B&M stores. That was based on PVC plastic and a comparatively small production run. Now that he has most of the game in a mass-market material, that equation changes sharply.
Fortunately, I have only an academic interest in that part of things since I'm good on KD:M stuff for a while yet.
Just about all reactions have been "thank lord I backed this during the KS", and none have said "great, I'll wait for the retail". This means, since there is such a huge discrepancy that people will put more money into this now rather than wait for the retail. Seen from a business point of view, this is a very shrewd move because it is far known that the longer it takes for people to buy something the less is the chance that they actually will buy it (there is a reason to why so many companies these day use KS compared to "traditional release"). This will also mean that if you ever wanted to get something from this, you will basically have to get involved in this post-KS-pre-order thing that is happening. This makes me wonder if Adam believes that he will not be able to move the basic game into a wider audience, and is jacking up the prices to force people into believing that they will make an even bigger deal now, when the reality might be that he might not have any real intention into actual making it a viable product after. So, basically, a cash-grab.
Obviously, I am not saying that it is like that, I am merely reflecting my emotions regarding what is happening. So take it for what it is.
I had to pay 3 grand for my dog's surgery while this KS was running, and had to back out with a week to go due to lack of funds.
Since then every time I've checked the updates on this I always had "Well at least I can pick this up when it hits retail" On my mind.
Now with the pricing, I honestly don't know if I can do it unless I curb my hobby spending for a bit. I expected it to obviously be more expensive than the KS price, but $200 for the base game hits me hard. :( It's a shame because I love the look of it
Like so many have said. I'm glad I got one of the early birds. I have spent close to a thousand dollars on this game and couldn't imagine paying retail for it. But then, for my thousand dollars I have all of the game pieces to play this game from start to finish and not have to worry about finding the next expansion. It's alot of money for a game and I truly believe it's going to be worth every penny.
erratyk wrote: I had to pay 3 grand for my dog's surgery while this KS was running, and had to back out with a week to go due to lack of funds.
Since then every time I've checked the updates on this I always had "Well at least I can pick this up when it hits retail" On my mind.
Now with the pricing, I honestly don't know if I can do it unless I curb my hobby spending for a bit. I expected it to obviously be more expensive than the KS price, but $200 for the base game hits me hard. :( It's a shame because I love the look of it
Well, you are in luck then. Because this will really open up for people to pre-order extra from Adam that they then can put up on ebay!
grefven wrote: These high increases in retail price makes me fear that Adam Poots want the backers to drop even more money into it, and since he allows people to join the "ks" late (even if they weren't actually backing the ks), this would force even more of those to "pre-order" the game.
For me, these increases of price stands for something else other than a justified cost of RRP. I don't like the way this is turning. :/
As far as I know, people who ordered one of the Black Friday offerings are not allowed to use the pledge manager; the re-opening additions is just for people who backed during the initial offering. The BF "anniversary edition" folks had their choice of canned options and that's all they would get. The re-opening of the pledge manager has much more to do with giving the backers a second bite at the apple, especially given how much said apple has changed since we initially pledged. It's a "thank you" for our patience and faith, not a required "you must pay me more" scenario.
I suspect Buzzsaw is correct that the new retail pricing really reflects a new retail reality. His initial plan was that after the KS fulfillment you could buy the game and expansions from him and a few select retailers in keeping with KD's boutique nature; primarily CMoN with whom he has a good working relationship and various B&M stores. That was based on PVC plastic and a comparatively small production run. Now that he has most of the game in a mass-market material, that equation changes sharply.
Fortunately, I have only an academic interest in that part of things since I'm good on KD:M stuff for a while yet.
Just about all reactions have been "thank lord I backed this during the KS", and none have said "great, I'll wait for the retail". This means, since there is such a huge discrepancy that people will put more money into this now rather than wait for the retail. Seen from a business point of view, this is a very shrewd move because it is far known that the longer it takes for people to buy something the less is the chance that they actually will buy it (there is a reason to why so many companies these day use KS compared to "traditional release"). This will also mean that if you ever wanted to get something from this, you will basically have to get involved in this post-KS-pre-order thing that is happening. This makes me wonder if Adam believes that he will not be able to move the basic game into a wider audience, and is jacking up the prices to force people into believing that they will make an even bigger deal now, when the reality might be that he might not have any real intention into actual making it a viable product after. So, basically, a cash-grab.
Obviously, I am not saying that it is like that, I am merely reflecting my emotions regarding what is happening. So take it for what it is.
I believe you keep overlooking the fact that only the original kickstarter backers have access to the pledge manager. He's only milking the people who already have been milked. No new backers are getting access to it. If he really wanted a cash grab, the better thing to do would be to open it to all.
I AM glad I got this during the kickstarter, but I also intend to pick up some things after retail as well. Some sculpts I wasn't find of during the campaign, or didn't have the cash at the time- so it much more realistic to wait(for me at least) even at the new retail prices. So I'm not happy to pay the retail price, but I'll probably do it anyway.
I suspect Buzzsaw is correct that the new retail pricing really reflects a new retail reality. His initial plan was that after the KS fulfillment you could buy the game and expansions from him and a few select retailers in keeping with KD's boutique nature; primarily CMoN with whom he has a good working relationship and various B&M stores. That was based on PVC plastic and a comparatively small production run. Now that he has most of the game in a mass-market material, that equation changes sharply.
Then he's going the wrong way - since he invested into pricey mass-market material he shouldn't then be raising the prices to price out the "mass" of the market.
I mean obviously, due to subject matter, KD:M isn't going to be found in every home in America. But it'd still be popular enough that an extra $50 tacked onto the price of the core set does more harm than good IMO.
Yeah, expecting he's trying to recoup losses associated with more expensive molds, but I think it would have been wiser (particularly for the life of the game) to have it cheaper, particularly the core even if it ends up with a very small profit margin.
Then he's going the wrong way - since he invested into pricey mass-market material he shouldn't then be raising the prices to price out the "mass" of the market.
I mean obviously, due to subject matter, KD:M isn't going to be found in every home in America. But it'd still be popular enough that an extra $50 tacked onto the price of the core set does more harm than good IMO.
If, and only if, his distribution model stays the same where it's him, CMoN and a few B&M retailers. If he instead opens it up to a more normal distribution channel, then the inevitable discount tiers that come in as a result will drive the actual price point lower. A 20% discount (not a horrifically uncommon level in this market) would make the core game $160 which, while still expensive for a game, isn't vastly beyond what most people would have "expected" based on a KS price of $100. It's certainly more, as KS prices have typically translated to roughly the wholesale price, but it's not *vastly* more.
Now, if Adam were to come back with the plan for distribution was unchanged, then yes, many of the costs now become prohibitively expensive for most people in the market and a great deal of resources will go underutilized as a result. It's rare to see a game that will actually cost you more than a GW army, after all. Some would characterize that as a mistake, and commercially speaking it is, but perhaps that's where Adam wants things to stay is as a small operation instead of a huge company that he can no longer be as "hands on" with everything. I've never gotten the feeling that Adam is in this for the money, so it might be a conscious effort to force the project to remain small. On the flip side of the coin, "just getting by" artist isn't a fun level to be at and you can bring a lot more art into the world if you work the market well as well as living a bit more comfortably.
Time will tell which way he's decided to go with things, I suppose. Whichever way it is though I'm reasonably certain that it wasn't arrived at without a great deal of consideratioin by Adam.
People will still buy the game regardless. He's keeping it boutique. Will every gamer interested in it buy it? No. But that doesn't appear to be route Adam is interested in.
Ah! It's interesting to read the speculation, but it's all quite simple.
As an example, let's look at the Dragon King Expansion.
Included is the Dragon, which is looking to be about 6 sprues. The Armor Kit which is another sprue and the human dragon king, which is another say... half a sprue.
In total that is a 7.5 sprue model kit, which is a fairly high cost in tooling and in production on a per expansion basis.
The breakdown is something like this:
7.5 x 8"x6" Hard plastic Sprues
1 x 140mm base
1 x 50mm base
4 x 30mm bases
100 x Game Cards
64 x Gear Cards
1 x Small Token Sheet
1 x 30 page 11"x 8.5" rulebook / storybook
3 x Large Settlement Event Cards
1 x Game box
1 x something i am prob forgetting at the moment.
= A high per unit cost.
Its like taking a normal board game... and adding really high quality hard plastic miniatures to it.
I also personally have no interest in mass-market. Nor working with a distributor whom I can't control from selling to deep online discounters and undercutting the little stores that DO want to carry KD stuff.
At the end of the day... the business is sort of the boss. If that makes sense to anyone. But I got into this to explore a personal vision in nightmare horror and have had the pleasure of working with so many talented artists that honestly... putting restrictions on the creative process would really take a lot of wind out of the team's collective sail.
My only plan, is to fulfill the kickstarter to the best of my ability at no expense spared. Where we end up... well. I think in part that is very much up to the backers and fans.
Anyway, thanks for the insight! Please don't feel like you have to hold back just because sometimes I do catch up and read things here.
That expansion could probably swallow up a whole other game with what you're describing there Adam.
That's nuts.
And a 140mm base? That'll be a first for me. Most of my stuff seems to cap out around 80 or 100, and that's with the big Mierce stuff. Maybe a 120 or two.
For those that already did the PM- could we use Paypal, or do I have to juggle funds around to cover the extra crap I want to get?
As an example, let's look at the Dragon King Expansion.
Included is the Dragon, which is looking to be about 6 sprues. The Armor Kit which is another sprue and the human dragon king, which is another say... half a sprue.
In total that is a 7.5 sprue model kit, which is a fairly high cost in tooling and in production on a per expansion basis.
The breakdown is something like this:
7.5 x 8"x6" Hard plastic Sprues
1 x 140mm base
1 x 50mm base
4 x 30mm bases
100 x Game Cards
64 x Gear Cards
1 x Small Token Sheet
1 x 30 page 11"x 8.5" rulebook / storybook
3 x Large Settlement Event Cards
1 x Game box
1 x something i am prob forgetting at the moment.
= A high per unit cost.
That does make it a little more understandable. Though I still think $200 for the main game is going to be a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people. Have you considered selling the minis themselves for people who want to paint/collect without any interest in playing the game?
spiralingcadaver wrote: Piston, that's a pretty good idea of measuring. I'd actually say movies less expensive than your gauge since buying a DVD is pretty cheap, but also would factor in painting to the game's value, meaning a good game with nice minis is worth a lot to me.
Sinful, no, I don't believe we've seen the spidicules in quite some time.
Wait, people still buy movies?
Outside of those really epic films/trilogies (Star wars, LotR, god father forrest gump)?
highlord tamburlaine wrote: That expansion could probably swallow up a whole other game with what you're describing there Adam.
That's nuts.
And a 140mm base? That'll be a first for me. Most of my stuff seems to cap out around 80 or 100, and that's with the big Mierce stuff. Maybe a 120 or two.
For those that already did the PM- could we use Paypal, or do I have to juggle funds around to cover the extra crap I want to get?
Those sprues have got to get to the market in some way, shape, or form.
Clamshell of a single male and female set with whatever weapons match. Would sell like hotcakes!
Mmmm. Yes, more armor kits. I'd be down for that. Or the occasional plastic release here or there down the road. Those smoke and storm knights would look awfully nice in plastic.
At some point I'd expect the armor kits to be available on their own or, at a minimum, the ones in the core game box. I can easily see the demand for a new batch of survivors being built with a new campaign or second group, but I don't see a pressing demand for more monsters. The same applies to the expansions as well; would you really NEED two dragon kings and two AI decks if you really just wanted that cool torso for a character?
Might not be immediately after the retail release of a given expansion (for somewhat obvious reasons), but "Survivor Boosters" would likely be a long-term revenue stream from both new players and existing ones. It is part of the "cool" factor that you can plunk down a ton of armor and weapons and have your players pick out what they like and that's their character. That gives a much stronger connection to the game to be using "their" survivor that they picked out instead of "Generic Plastic Hero Figure 47" much like there's a world of difference between saying "that one guy" and "my buddy Steve" when discussing news. However, that connection likely can't be maintained long-term if I need to buy the base game again to get more Rawhide or Phoenix armor kits unless I exhaust my own supply of willing gamers (which to be fair is a possibility).
Hence why I think the armor kits being released in some form on their own in a near-inevitability. However, due to where the weapons may be on the sprues I would not be surprised if you have to buy the whole sprue which will likely include both men and women.
Guys I need some help with pledging. I got most of the expansions I wanted first time around, but didn't opt for any pinups or many promos. I am not sure about what to add exactly - so for once I am trying to figure this out by logic...
I am figuring I should get the stuff that definitely won't be available after the KS as I can't get everything. Besides Adam & Anna - are there any other figures that are truly one-offs? Are the promos not going to be available in store for instance?
I am guessing most pinups will be available either loose or like the 10 for $100 so I am not that interested in those.
Expansion wise I left out the big baby (Gorm) as I despise that model for all the wrong reasons However there is the lonely tree, the Lion god and the Sunstalker. Looking purely at the models I feel i can do without them, but looking at them as expansions and the currently available discount... Any recommendations?
As far as I understood it, the promos will not be available in stores for a general release, but they will appear on special occassions (like convents, prices, maybe even annually perhaps like black friday?). If you want most bang for your buck you should obviously go with the expansions. But I won't argue with your reasoning, as it is sound. If you don't like the miniatures, just leave 'em out unless you really want the most out of this as a *game*. Then go for the expansions.
basement.dweller wrote: Guys I need some help with pledging. I got most of the expansions I wanted first time around, but didn't opt for any pinups or many promos. I am not sure about what to add exactly - so for once I am trying to figure this out by logic...
I am figuring I should get the stuff that definitely won't be available after the KS as I can't get everything. Besides Adam & Anna - are there any other figures that are truly one-offs? Are the promos not going to be available in store for instance?
I am guessing most pinups will be available either loose or like the 10 for $100 so I am not that interested in those.
Expansion wise I left out the big baby (Gorm) as I despise that model for all the wrong reasons However there is the lonely tree, the Lion god and the Sunstalker. Looking purely at the models I feel i can do without them, but looking at them as expansions and the currently available discount... Any recommendations?
Thanks guys.
If those are your choices, Sunstalker, Lonely Tree, and then Lion God in that order. Sunstalker gives the most bang for the buck, Lonely Tree has some sort of crossover with the Phoenix, and from what I understand the Lion God is just a powerful White Lion. You'll also save the most money getting the Sunstalker now I believe.
With all (except the Lion God) now appearing in polystyrene some of Adams earlier intentions regarding how available stuff will be may change
but this is what was said about the promos when they were first introduced (copied from Death Toll), if you've limited funds (and don't like the look of the expansions you've not added) I'd spend my money here
Top pick
Messenger of Courage Survivor Kara Black! A special promotional miniature that is a collaboration between Kingdom Death & The Legendary Studio McVey!
She comes with •a KD:M one shot challenge scenario, •a promo giant stone face gear card and •a painting guide that will have a special highlight on painting skin tones!
I think Kara is most likely to be unavailable in the future since she'd depends on permission from Studio McVey to release outside the KS
Middle ground
Candy & Cola She will be available through this kickstarter and in the future be available in a limited fashion for various promotions. She comes with; •a KD:M one shot challenge scenario, •a promo soda bottle lantern gear card and •promo rules for use with Soda Pop Miniatures Relic Knights game!
Note: Soda Pop is now going to be making The Twilight knight, their 'half' of the crossover available from their webstore on an ongoing basis, so Adam will presumably have permission to do so with C&C if he chooses to do so
Messenger of Courage The Messenger of Courage, a promotional miniature that will only be available thru this kickstarter and future Kingdom Death special events! Some of you may notice a similarity to the Pinup Twilight Knight, Allison. Perhaps this was her before she became a Twilight Knight? •One Shot Challenge •Scouts Tunic Gear Card •2x Promo Rule Cards
Messenger of the Spiral path The Messenger of The Spiral Path, a promotional miniature that will only be available thru this kickstarter and future Kingdom Death special events! This Messenger discovered what he calls the Spiral Path, a mental course that let's him see the Truth. Perhaps this man has taken his first few steps to becoming a Forsaker? •One Shot Challenge •Forsaker Mask Gear Card •2x Promotional Rule Cards
Messenger of the first story The Messenger of The First Story, a promotional miniature that will only be available thru this kickstarter and future Kingdom Death special events! This Messenger is a Savior that discovers a way to stop aging. Perhaps she goes on to found the White Speakers, sharing this important first story with them. She will come with: •a one-shot challenge scenario, •a promo gear card and •a promo hunt and settlement event card.
Messenger of Humanity The messenger might be the First Twilight Knight to desert the Order. Without a partner Archivist to maintain them, his unique relics and physiology modifications turn to complete chaos. He might chain his sword into its sheath and shred his special hood. Perhaps he strikes out into the nightmare world, once again a mere man, in search of his memories. Comes with •One Shot Challenge •Prosthetic Stone Arm Gear Card •2x Promo Rule Cards [hunts and settlement]
Least useful
Holiday Nico She will be available exclusively thru this kickstarter for now...
Nico is a special edition miniature. A "holiday" promotional settlement card is planned to be added into her box. But it's not something that impacts gameplay in anyway.
I love the model but she has less in game value, (and I've a vague recollection there's a tie in with CMON that might mean they'd get some in the future for a holiday KD promotion... I could be wrong though)
On the big expansions all of them should be available from Adam in the future,
The Lion god is (probably) going to be PVC due to time constraints which is not going to be a good as the rest of the kits in terms of sculpt quality/fidelity,
I would not be surprised if in the future Adam didn't either drop it (if the he decides the quality is too far off the rest) or decide to re-do it into polystyrene because he wants it to be the best it can be.... so for $25 you could pick up either something that didn't show up to buy later, or showed up in a different form so the PVC version might have collector appeal
The Lonely Tree I personally love (one of the few things I've doubled up on, and would have gone for 3 if I could have afforded it) and think will make great terrain or RPG scenery, and at $30 it's still 50% off the eventual price
The sunstalker is probably the least good of the 3 if you don't like the main mini (I do) which is going to be a big part of the cost, 'only' 45% off, and there is an infant sunstalker resin that you might end up feeling you had to get if you had the adult just to be a completionist, and major 'think of the children' issues with it's huge penis
although it does give you a different start point for the game playing as one of the people of the sunas well as 2 extra human minis in addition to the armour kits found in the other expansions
Wow - thank you all for the responses. I just felt I needed a bit of a sounding board for this. It's nice to come back and have some fresh perspectives and opinions to read. I've been painting my sister's house today (not a mini) as we had some great weather for once.
Well the Lion God is definitely out - I hate pvc so easy choice.
Like most of you mentioned, best bang for buck is the expansions so I am contemplating both lonely tree and sunstalker. Arrgh... I am trying to balance this with the closing of the AvP pledge manager Shinies are like damn Pokemons...
Other than that I am loading up on as many promos as I can afford hehe Seems I already had "not-Guts", "not-Zelda" and the Holiday Nico on order... I was gonna order them again - at least my taste is consistent. Oh and Kara is in thanks to Orlando
Yeah, too bad about the Lion God. The only big monsters I didn't pick up were it (on the fence) and the gorm (just don't like it). I was considering picking it up before the material shift.
Well PVC (polyvinyl chloride) used to be referred to as simply vinyl in the figure kit world
and would allow for some awesome details and NO MOLDLINES in large scale figures.
Also for the young ones out there - Music was once made out of vinyl.
I've included some pics and info for those interested
Spoiler:
This was achieved by electroforming the molds around the sculpt resulting in atomic level perfect single part molds.
With the vinyl being soft and hollow the pieces "popped" out one way. Some clever design on the parts breakdown would hide the joints on better kits.
Otherwise you still need to fill and murder the vinyl with a knife as it's just too soft for sanding in any satisfactory method. You are just better off removing
material and filling while sculpting missing details.
Below is Horizon's Hulk from early 90's I would think - It came in 6 parts - 2 arms, 2 legs (from the pants line and down), torso and "pants".
Here is a good size reference for what constitutes a "large scale model"... to me at least Here you can also see Horizon's Terminator in 1/5 scale (Hulk is 1/6) both built up and unbuilt. Hulk is sadly not painted yet.
There are tons of supernice large scale figures in vinyl - granted a few of these are polystyrene, but you get the picture.
I love vinyl when we are truly talking large scale. I however feel that the scale and production method for small scale miniatures
in this material is simply not as forgiving as others when it comes to moldlines and fixing casting mistakes.
Hard lines are substantially softer imho compared to the master and it makes too big a difference in small scale.
I stil think it has it's uses, but I really don't get why the miniature industry is following in the footsteps of action figure
and toy production when they could go the electro forming way for the larger stuff and make some awesome dragons
and monsters. I mean NO MOLDLINES! That said I am not sure of the costs for that, but figure vinyl kits were roughly
$50 each late 90's before the recasting killed the business and the quantities were 5000 each for a few of them.
Yeah got mine about 2 weeks ago now - but it was number 22 so it shipped fairly quickly - Customs held it up on the way - had to pay for this but the Pin Ups boxed got through without charge.
Did you get one of the first 500 numbered edition or the encore edition?
Only the first 500 have shipped. The encore edition will take time to cast up and ship out. The last update on twitter was that orders up to #5623 that do not include the Satan encore had shipped (that post is 2 weeks old now)
Grot 6 wrote: Do these additional figures scale up with the game?
It depends - most of the crossovers are scaled to fit the game they are release with not KD:M. I have the Hell dorado Twilight Knight (Keeper of Wisdom) here and the top of her head/hood doesn't even reach the shoulders of my KD Twilight Knight Pin Up (or the Satan twins) so she's totally unuseable in KD:M (in my opinion) I don't think many (if any) of the crossovers will scale well but they weren't meant to the WoK one is likely to be close though given the games scale. I got the various crossovers for the collectability side rather than actual use in KD:M.
Then there is this thing that happens in real life called genetic diversity which results in "slightly" different heights among other things... ;D
Spoiler:
I am more annoyed by different styles rather than "height" in a mini that clearly makes them look mismatched.
It's a real pain when trying to get the right characters for a diorama and you have to shop from different vendors to get just
what you need and then they just look off next to each other...
That Hell Dorado crossover did not really look like it would fit KD, but I don't remember what the resculpt looks like.
basement.dweller wrote: Then there is this thing that happens in real life called genetic diversity which results in "slightly" different heights among other things... ;D
Spoiler:
I am more annoyed by different styles rather than "height" in a mini that clearly makes them look mismatched.
It's a real pain when trying to get the right characters for a diorama and you have to shop from different vendors to get just
what you need and then they just look off next to each other...
That Hell Dorado crossover did not really look like it would fit KD, but I don't remember what the resculpt looks like.
You can't use that photograph! One of them is in heels!
Also, I doubt the SDE Twilight Knight is going to scale to any other game. It's pretty apparent that they're intended to fit in stylistically with the game they're made for; not with KD:M.
In case any orders from dakkadakka are still at large-
"@kingdomdeath: We're working hard on getting these Satan Encores out.Please be patient if you've placed an order in the past week, we'll get to it!"(twitter)
basement.dweller wrote: Then there is this thing that happens in real life called genetic diversity which results in "slightly" different heights among other things... ;D
Spoiler:
I am more annoyed by different styles rather than "height" in a mini that clearly makes them look mismatched.
It's a real pain when trying to get the right characters for a diorama and you have to shop from different vendors to get just
what you need and then they just look off next to each other...
That Hell Dorado crossover did not really look like it would fit KD, but I don't remember what the resculpt looks like.
Their heads are roughly the same size though, which is the main issue you run into when you mix scales and styles.
Sinful Hero wrote: In case any orders from dakkadakka are still at large-
"@kingdomdeath: We're working hard on getting these Satan Encores out.Please be patient if you've placed an order in the past week, we'll get to it!"(twitter)
Just finally got mine today. So it must be quite a backlog - because I ordered when the encores first came up.
Quality not quite like I was expecting on them, kinda surprised.
My Satan arrived with what I assumed to be a broken staff, I emailed Adam about it two weeks ago.
Later on I saw some unboxing images of the model on BOLS which looked the same as mine, with the staff in two parts, so maybe it is supposed to be like this? Like me, the reviewer also assumed that the staff was broken in transit.
Adam completely ignored my email, so can anyone confirm that the staff should come in two pieces or if mine is indeed broken?
Don't feel bad about getting ignored. I know he's busy and all, but I'm still waiting on the answer to if I can upgrade to a Survivor pledge, and I asked him way back in around the time of the original pledge manager opening. That was what, March or April of 2013?
...and it's not like I haven't asked since either....
I'll probably end up receiving the game before I ever get an answer.
Received my Satan figures along with the Dung Beetle and Smoke Knight.
The staff was in two parts, I also thought it was broken and needed a pin. It's going to get pinned either way.
Castings look pretty good to me- I also got the White Speaker pinup and cripes there's some small details on these figures.
A question for the people waiting on feedback- did you ask Adam or Anna? After firing off an email to Anna I got a response back same-day. I'm pretty sure she handles all the kickstarter related stuff, and possibly other grievances I'm assuming. It would be worth a shot- anna@kingdomdeath.com
I figured the staff wasn't broken since the head was in a different colored material than the rest of the mini. Still not sure how I'm going to put that together though. It's way too small for me to pin it.
But I also have some pretty bad mold lines/mold slippage on one of the legs. And a few of the penises on my skirt are full of holes. (plus a tongue or two have holes in them as well).
I made a boo-boo when I ordered the pin-up collection, e-mailed them straight after ordering and it was all resolved within 30 mins. That was using the contact info on the Kingdom Death shop.
To whom it may concern-
@kingdomdeath: All remaining store orders have been fulfilled! They go out today/tomorrow. All King Encore orders will ship when we receive them. Thanks!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also-
@kingdomdeath: All store orders between the 10th and 21st of July will not ship until AFTER the 21st. I (joe) will be out of town for this duration. Thanks
Somehow I'd missed the one in the Misc. games section.
Subscribed.
Supposedly my Experiment arrives today as well! Can't wait to figure out what the heck I'm going to do with it!
If it never receives rules for the actual Kingdom Death game, I see it getting use as an Ethereal for DeepWars/ShadowSea, or hanging out with all the other misbegotten Ysians I've got for Darklands.
So is that the survivors before all the armour upgrades and stuff? Looks pretty good. The back is a bit plain though as said above. Looks like an action man/Barbie.
Did they completely abandon the designs of the original survivors? I liked the characters of gruff Smashrock-Man, pale AnimeEmo Boy, Conveniently-Placed-Arm Girl, and I-hope-this-won't-fall-off Woman.
Or are the "Starting Survivors" different than the "Unarmored armor kit"?
Absolutionis wrote: Did they completely abandon the designs of the original survivors? I liked the characters of gruff Smashrock-Man, pale AnimeEmo Boy, Conveniently-Placed-Arm Girl, and I-hope-this-won't-fall-off Woman.
Or are the "Starting Survivors" different than the "Unarmored armor kit"?
They're different kits. The unarmoured kits are just alternative options that can allow you to show incomplete armour sets on starting characters, really. They don't look particularly great, but don't expect to be using them for a whole lot in game anyway.
Absolutionis wrote: Did they completely abandon the designs of the original survivors? I liked the characters of gruff Smashrock-Man, pale AnimeEmo Boy, Conveniently-Placed-Arm Girl, and I-hope-this-won't-fall-off Woman.
Or are the "Starting Survivors" different than the "Unarmored armor kit"?
Different survivors. These are more so you can easily switch in and out the armor kits. Hence why the back is kind of lame. At least, I assume so.
Not VAT, just import duties in Canadia, but yeah, I'm thinking high cost and shiping will keep this one out of my reach until, at least, my car is paid off. At least I got a resin mini to lavish over.
Dudes, this is hard, the delay must hurt. I thought Dreamforge was getting a bit sluggish, but that worksheet. It gave me shivers.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Not VAT, just import duties in Canadia, but yeah, I'm thinking high cost and shiping will keep this one out of my reach until, at least, my car is paid off. At least I got a resin mini to lavish over.
Dudes, this is hard, the delay must hurt. I thought Dreamforge was getting a bit sluggish, but that worksheet. It gave me shivers.
Matthieu, if you want me to add one for you to my order let me know. I'm sure we can find a way to get em to you in Montreal somehow. Hell, I've always wanted to visit Quebec.
If they ever reopen the pledge managr, i'll be willing to add a boxed set for you Mathieu. I live in Montreal so it should be easy to find a place to meet. Though at this stage im wondering if, with all these delay, we willl get the game before 2020
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit: While the unarmoured sets was rather underwhelming, the rawhide armour ones look stunning. Really eager to get this game.
I was gonna offer too since I'm in Ottawa but Montreal is a lot closer to Montreal. I believe the update reports that the pledge manager will be opened tomorrow, no?
streetsamurai wrote: If they ever reopen the pledge managr, i'll be willing to add a boxed set for you Mathieu. I live in Montreal so it should be easy to find a place to meet. Though at this stage im wondering if, with all these delay, we willl get the game before 2020
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit: While the unarmoured sets was rather underwhelming, the rawhide armour ones look stunning. Really eager to get this game.
I'm pretty sure the Pledge Manager is getting re-opened tomorrow?
It's, ah, great, that he's a perfectionist, but this is getting to the point where it'll actually need to be near-perfect for it to be worth it. It's getting to the point where I'm starting to get more frustrated than happy with these updates... still looking forward to getting this, but no longer excited...
We'll get it when we get it. I never really thought we'd get it close to on time in the first place. I think we'll all be very pleased whenever we actually do get our goods.
The real question though, is if this will deliver first, or if Toughest Girls will complete fulfillment first.
I'm glad to hear that they're going to officially reopen the pledge manager, too. That means I'll be able to get my Slenderman.
It's a nice update, but like others I'm not...angry about the delays (because it is what it is there) but it's dulling the excitement level? I don't know how to describe it really. The impatience I have to get the things is dulling my ability to actually be excited about the prospect of getting the things? Meh, hopefully that makes a bit of sense.
As far as the unarmored kits and their strange backs, I do have to wonder if that's a compromise with compatibility on other armor kits. The original 4 survivors don't have that trait, but they're more akin to GW's single-pose characters than multi-part "mix and match" stuff. It'd at least make sense if that was the root cause. Also, even if it is a bit odd-looking it's likely to be the least odd-looking thing on the board still.
I'd be partial to the offer from my own city. Although having cincydooley smuggle some bourbon across the border could be... interesting, I only have a small apartment (relatively speaking) and couldn't house the whole family couch-surfing it.
On the bright side, that list of what has been finished, and what is still pending (and at what stage of production the pending items are), certainly indicates that quite a lot has been done.
Added the latest update to the first post. Lots of spoiler tags for those big pictures.
Adam's refusal to openly commit to a fulfillment date can certainly be taken as a bad omen but I don't believe there's anything sinister about it. From previous communiques Adam's always come across a genuinely good bloke and he's been rather transparent with the state of things as he believes them to be. It's probably just as simple as not wanting to deliver more bad news in case he can't reach another target date.
It's certainly lamentable since this continues to be the mother lode of my KS pledges.
Also, huzzah! Male pinup, buttloads of bits, awesome plastic sprue shots. Very happy with the update despite the presumably long delay. Holiday Nico might be named rather aptly.
@Mathieu / Cincy
I assume that by "box of doom" you're referring to the Kingdom Death:Monster game box. There hasn't been an updated visual guide (works well with official text guide), but the one on the front page of the kickstarter had what was going to be in at the close of the campaign; the list has grown since then and considerably so, I'd say.
Question: Will items on the re-opened pledge manager be listed at KS prices? Time to hide the budget sheets.
Also-
@kingdomdeath: All store orders between the 10th and 21st of July will not ship until AFTER the 21st. I (joe) will be out of town for this duration. Thanks
Argh! Received my incorrectly packed order today. Might have to wait awhile to have the situation remedied it seems.
Question: Will items on the re-opened pledge manager be listed at KS prices? Time to hide the budget sheets.
GOOD GOD I HOPE SO.
I'm hoping that Slenderman didn't double in price since the last time the pledge manager was open. I could have sworn it was $25 back then. Now he's listed at $50 in that update?
Makes me worried we'll see some significant mark up this time around- which is good for KD, as they probably need it to cover shipping, but sucks for me, as I sat twiddling my thumbs waiting to find out if I could upgrade from a basic game to Survivor.
In all honestly I almost wish he'd STOP adding stuff as I have no clue if its adding to the delay or not; and it certainly can't help, and I'm sure it bumps the price up.
I already said it and it may just be because this is only my 2nd kickstarter but this is quite a wait and while I love all I see it SURELY would help if there was more videos or something; I know Adam doesn't want to spoil his world but to expect backers to be continuously invested especially in the game mechanics it'd certainly help to show a bit more.
To be fair this is mostly because I board game a lot and would really like to see a bit more on how this game really works.
Being a cheapskate and off from school for the summer, I hope that the pledge manager prices are still close to their KS equivalents. I know some went up last time it opened. Hopefully they don't go up too much tomorrow.
I think the thing to focus on is the stuff that is either finished or in tooling,
the 'danger' points are the stuff which is at the mould split or earlier stages which is where the really heavy work in terms of back and forth between Adam and the WGF folk which is where the unpredictable delays come from
sad that he's not going to be able to work something out for the EU in terms of fulfilment, but he never said he would (only that he'd try which he's clearly done)
I'd kind of assumed that any delivery estimates we were given were going to be wrong anyway, so I can understand him wanting to not provide further estimates. At least we can now see where verything is at in the manufacturing stage... hopefully he will continue to repost that chart every few weeks.
I can't help but think with all these extra cards for skills and equipment that we will need a tablet app to help keep track of things
Alpharius wrote: While that is good news, his reluctance/refusal to even estimate a ship date is not encouraging.
It could be worse. You could have invested in Wyrd's KS. That started at almost the same time, had far far fewer components to create, and is still uncertain as to when it will be released (though people are guessing GenCon after the general public gets it).
I waited 2 years, I think, for Red Box Games first Kickstarter. I'm not particularly bothered with the KD:M delays, even though I'm quite excited to get the game.
I find it a bit ill-omened when someone first mentions that there will be a huge delay; all sales from the resin is put into the monster KS; that the retail version of the box will be at least $250; but hey, I'll reopen the pledge manager so you can get it for just $100!
Why would someone push for that the retail version (that may or may not hit retail for the next few years) will be $250 and then push for more to buy it at $100? Obviously it will flood ebay by people who wants to make a "good deal" when they know that the box will retail for three times as much. I rather get the sensation that Adam Poots are pushing for more money as he know that if he opens the pledge manager up again while saying that the retail box will be a HUGE price increase a lot of people will get in on it again; for themselves; for ebay; for family; for friends, etc.
It won't be $100, from memory it was $150 last time the PM was open, and if the base cost has gone up again I wouldn't be surprised if this rises again this time
as to whether the PM should be re-opened? well the backers clearly want it to be whether it's because they couldn't get all they wanted 1st or 2nd time round, whether
I would be lying if I said that I wasn't bummed that there's yet another delay. It's awesome that he wants to give us the best product he can, but my excitement has pretty much vanished since I have no idea when I'll actually get the game, though I'm sure it will come back once it gets shipped.
I'm definitely eating my words on my prediction that we'd have this in August oh well. I suppose this gives me more time to paint my Dark Elves, Dark Eldar, and my fiancee's Tomb Kings before I have a mountain of KD miniatures. What I am now interested to see, is if the other two KS I've backed (SDE and I'm going to break down on Zombicide shortly) will be fulfilled before this one.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: It won't be $100, from memory it was $150 last time the PM was open, and if the base cost has gone up again I wouldn't be surprised if this rises again this time
as to whether the PM should be re-opened? well the backers clearly want it to be whether it's because they couldn't get all they wanted 1st or 2nd time round, whether
the new newsletter seems to say that PM won't open again until July 21st
Savior Encore!
We have found some time in the production que and have lined up an encore run of the two very popular saviors! Pre orders will be open until July 23rd. Thank you!
KD:M Pledge Manager Issues
Be as descriptive as possible and make sure to include your pledge receipt# that was given to you when you confirmed your pledge.
Starting the week of July 21st we will have the time and resources to give everyone proper support. Please sit tight until then. Thank you in advance for your understanding and patience.
Change of Address
Once we begin fulfillment, we will require 1 final address confirmation from each backer. If you need to update your address you will have an opportunity then. Thanks!
Availability
To the people that missed their chance to join the kickstarter, thank you for joining our mailing list and I apologize, but the game and all of the kickstarted content will not be publicly available until after backer rewards have been fulfilled. The shift from PVC to hard plastic has greatly increased our unit costs and we need to properly evaluate before we can set final retail prices and begin taking pre-orders.
We will figure out a way to accommodate new fans, but for now our full attention is focused on meeting our current kickstarter promises. Thank you in advance for your understanding and patience. ~
Aaand, that's a 40 year Savior preordered for me. Missed them the first time around, and I've yet to see the 40-year pop up on Ebay (see lots of the others, but not the 40).
Weird. I just rushed to check the site in case I wanted to order it, but it went from the first run being super low quantity, to now no quantity listed and they'll sell as many as they can until he's basically back in town?
For example, particularly with the $70 King, these are pretty premium prices... it's just interesting that they're no longer limited based on quantity, but timeframe of ordering.
Also not supposed to ship until October.
Still, a main complaint before was their sweet models never being available, and I agree, that 40 years Savior is awesome. I was tempted just to get it for that reason alone, but I think I don't have any use for it... and for once apparently I can think about it for a week or so without it disappearing
I wouldn't wait too long- if it's like the other general release items they'll only be in stock for awhile and then you'll have to wait for more to get made. Similar to how the Pinup Twilight Knight works now. He guarentees to make more, but it can be a long wait.
Of course this is a preorder, so there's no telling how long he'll keep it up.
We have found some time in the production que and have lined up an encore run of the two very popular saviors! Pre orders will be open until July 23rd. Thank you!
And, delivery is listed as October. So this looks different than others in that it's limited by the ordering window time, not quantity.
3 1/2 months to get them all cast seems like a while- but I think he casts some stuff for sale at gencon too so that's probably why it'll take so long to get these.
We reopen the pledge manager as a service to the backers. I know it sounds crazy, but I actually do not want more money from them. Every time it's opened, there is a tidal wave of questions and special case requests that all need to be properly managed.
And we are pretty damn buried at the moment!
@Sasori, Alpharius,
I actually whole heartedly agree. I wish I had a better sense of the time it took for a project this size when the kickstarter ended, or that I moved away from estimates at a much earlier stage. ( like when the kickstarter broke 1 million ).
@Dentry,
I know its a gamble, but I'd rather be transparent then try to obscure where the project is at. I only get one shot at this and there is a tremendous amount to manage to meet our expectations.
We reopen the pledge manager as a service to the backers. I know it sounds crazy, but I actually do not want more money from them. Every time it's opened, there is a tidal wave of questions and special case requests that all need to be properly managed.
And we are pretty damn buried at the moment!
@Sasori, Alpharius,
I actually whole heartedly agree. I wish I had a better sense of the time it took for a project this size when the kickstarter ended, or that I moved away from estimates at a much earlier stage. ( like when the kickstarter broke 1 million ).
@Dentry,
I know its a gamble, but I'd rather be transparent then try to obscure where the project is at. I only get one shot at this and there is a tremendous amount to manage to meet our expectations.
Thanks for the insight, and I'm sure most of us understand how big this undetaking is an appreciate you being so active in the community.
Hehe, please don't misunderstand. I am happy to take care of said requests. But our pledge manager is not setup to easily do so. We initially had a system of keeping notes on every single backer, but the number of special cases grew to an unmanageable level. Now we are going back in and spending more dev time building the proper tools so that myself or Joe can actually update the database, instead of relying on soley Anna to do so.
None of this is bad, but its very much small biz growing pains. For the additional pledge manager stuff, I place it at the lowest priority, so whenever I need everyone on deck to finish up content or meet a deadline it gets pushed to the side.
Can't remember if the preacher is included in the KS rewards. Tempted to order one but might hold off and wait until after the pledge manager has been reopened.
I thought Adam mentioned adding one more mini to all the pledges as a thanks for backer patience...but I could be mistaken. If so, maybe it was the preacher?
The rest of it is probably not really worth the time, but that's a big miniature for only $12.50 (since you get two).
But this pinup collection in hard plastic, while well done... 8 hard plastic minis for $100? KD is onto something when they can get gamers to happily pay those prices
darn you RITides. And I had just sold my demonette army too . But the wet nurses will fit right in with my creaturecaster pincer demon when it arrives.
It's an odd one - normally you'd only go for hard plastic if you were targeting the mass market, as that's the only way you can hope to recover costs.
The alternative, which I've never seen before, is to price things at a premium. People were willing to pay $25 for resin versions of these models, so it stands to reason that they'd be willing to pay $12.50 for ones that are "almost as good" - particularly when the originals are no longer available. I'm a little taken aback by that, but I understand that if you carve out your niche in the hobby sector, you can more or less name your price.
The part I'm most interested in is how this affects KD:M as a board game. Will people be willing to pay $250 for the base game? Particularly when it releases with several expansions, each of which is going to be $50 to $80 per monster. It might be the most expensive non-limited edition boardgame that I've ever seen make it to market.
Board games have traditionally tried to reach as wide a market as possible, but I get the impression that this isn't the priority here - it's creating something that's of high a quality as possible.
there will be a market, even if it's not a mass market,
GW plastic characters come in at substantially more than $12.50 and they do sell (although many would see them as too expensive) and those don't come with nice art postcards either
as for the game $250 is a huge amount of cash, but it was never going to be a game for mass distribution simply because of Adam's stance of not wanting to sell via discounters
so it will be selling to people who spend $25 on a resin human mini or $50 to 150 on a big monster, and based on those prices what you get in the box starts to look cheap (lots of human sized minis and several big ones). Not a casual impulse purchase, but something a fan will be prepared to save up for
I think you're right, Orlando- I guess what I was saying is that, Kickstarter prices were quite attractive for folks wanting to get in on this. People who want to later look like they'll be facing some stiff prices. I think people think his quality is worth it, and they may well be right, just pointing that out.
But you keep receding to it as $12.50 for one big miniature since there are two in there, but you really get 8 regular sized minis and the two big monsters for 30.00(shipping included). For those of us who didn't get into the kickstarter that's great pricing. And since they are t making anymore of either(any) of these better hurry as there's only 28 more sets as of this post. The contents are as follows
@Bioptic, And people still buy Mercedes and BMWs despite being able to pick up cheaper Civics.
And it's $12.50 for a 35mm figure. These ladies are a head taller than your average Space Marine. And some of those 35mm ladies have more parts than the original Rhino. (I kid, but only slightly.)
I mean I'm surprised anyone would pay $100 for Warhammer rules. But then I'm not that into Warhammer rules so...
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:there will be a market, even if it's not a mass market,
GW plastic characters come in at substantially more than $12.50 and they do sell (although many would see them as too expensive) and those don't come with nice art postcards either
as for the game $250 is a huge amount of cash, but it was never going to be a game for mass distribution simply because of Adam's stance of not wanting to sell via discounters
so it will be selling to people who spend $25 on a resin human mini or $50 to 150 on a big monster, and based on those prices what you get in the box starts to look cheap (lots of human sized minis and several big ones). Not a casual impulse purchase, but something a fan will be prepared to save up for
This might not ever be 'Mass Market' more due to its 'theme' and 'design' vs. the pricing!
I think there was a coincidence / miscommunication about the $12.50-
Other people were referring to the plastic injection molded pinups, which are 8 for $100, or $12.50 apiece.
I was originally just saying the wet nurse was a good deal for those who wanted it, and said that price since there are two of them in the deal. That is an experimental box, all in PVC, so the quality on the other models is not as high as the injection molded versions.
So, the experiment in PVC aside, it's really a question going forward of what price people are willing to pay for injection molded characters- and the answer and that GW and Kingdom Death seem to be realizing is, quite a lot . Since they can be compared to resin/metal characters, which go for as much or more.
I think it just remains to be seen if there's ever anything to stem this trend, as I was certainly hoping injection molding would lead to cheaper models. These are cheaper than the resins he offers, though, it's just that they're all "boutique" and quite high.
I think what bothers me more is other companies like privateer press switching to PVC but leaving prices close to where they were on their latest releases, but that's a whole different discussion...
And what makes this worse, is that this looks like being by far the biggest price disparity I have seen between the KS and the product that will be on shop shelves.
RiTides wrote: I think it just remains to be seen if there's ever anything to stem this trend, as I was certainly hoping injection molding would lead to cheaper models. These are cheaper than the resins he offers, though, it's just that they're all "boutique" and quite high.
I think what bothers me more is other companies like privateer press switching to PVC but leaving prices close to where they were on their latest releases, but that's a whole different discussion...
So KD offers models that are slightly less detailed than their resin for a 40% discount. Knight Models sells comparable models cast in white metal for comparable prices. Apparently comic books miniatures are also boutique. (More likely the collector only needs one of any of the figures so their isn't much repeat business for the same model.) A 40% price difference even in bulk it pretty good.
But as you said it's a boutique biz with low runs and high overhead. What about people with larger runs? Outside of GW, I'm guessing most people mean Privateer. Hands up if you find it crazy that a boutique miniature company is producing in polystyrene before the no. 2 in the industry. Can I put my hand down now? Instead Privateer is playing around with that resin that they are. They can't see a business case for metal molds and polystyrene figures. At best their prices would stay the same to pay off the large capital investment. And lets face it, these companies resculpt models every 2-5 years. I doubt their volume is enough to justify hard plastic.
On the flip side all the metal manufacturers are being squeezed for metal prices. This is why the experimentation in resin and plastic, cost. So if Privateer finds a material that lowers their unit cost they still have to pay back the capital cost. And lets face it the margins after wholesalers and retailers take their cut aren't great. So the modest cost savings is best for everyone if it remain in Privateer's pocket. You'd never see it after wholesalers and retailers got a chance at pocketing it.
Remember, Kingdom Death Monster will be sold by KD for $250 with no middle men. At a brick and mortar store that would be $500. So what savings is there to be passed on when you're just trying to keep your shirt?
PP in my opinion has shown lessening interest in making nice models for some time now, since the focus is clearly on the game, so I don't think it's weird that they're not working with nicer material.
spiralingcadaver wrote: PP in my opinion has shown lessening interest in making nice models for some time now, since the focus is clearly on the game, so I don't think it's weird that they're not working with nicer material.
spiralingcadaver wrote: PP in my opinion has shown lessening interest in making nice models for some time now, since the focus is clearly on the game, so I don't think it's weird that they're not working with nicer material.
I would agree with this sentiment.
I don't know, some of the newer models have been really nice. eMorvahna, some of the lesser warlocks/casters, as well as some of the resculpts have been quite nice. It seems to me that they have always been hit or miss, so I don't know if is the case that they are slipping from say 60:40 bad:good to 75:25. Maybe?
I suppose I would have to agree that their models have become more chicken legged/"Every day is upper body day!" looking lately, and so would agree towards a general decline in quality.
Oh, I definitely agree that that doesn't mean their top-end sculpts are worse, but feel like their general QC for material and sculpts has gone down hill.
You can see this attitude in their resculpts compared to other gaming companies. While Wyrd has been updating old sculpts with dynamic poses and GW is always adding more do-dads to theirs, PP feels like it's mostly just working towards making theirs more efficient to cast and sometimes larger. (Not saying resculpts aren't improvements, but IMHO most aren't.)
spiralingcadaver wrote: PP in my opinion has shown lessening interest in making nice models for some time now, since the focus is clearly on the game, so I don't think it's weird that they're not working with nicer material.
I would agree with this sentiment.
I don't know, some of the newer models have been really nice. eMorvahna, some of the lesser warlocks/casters, as well as some of the resculpts have been quite nice. It seems to me that they have always been hit or miss, so I don't know if is the case that they are slipping from say 60:40 bad:good to 75:25. Maybe?
I suppose I would have to agree that their models have become more chicken legged/"Every day is upper body day!" looking lately, and so would agree towards a general decline in quality.
My impression (perhaps incorrect) is that the standards of their metal models (which includes things like warlocks/warcasters and solos) is quite high. The problem I have noticed is related to their (PVC) plastics. The nadir generally seems to be the plastics of the Convergence launch, which were (at least in the initial offerings) objectively terrible.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Oh, I definitely agree that that doesn't mean their top-end sculpts are worse, but feel like their general QC for material and sculpts has gone down hill.
You can see this attitude in their resculpts compared to other gaming companies. While Wyrd has been updating old sculpts with dynamic poses and GW is always adding more do-dads to theirs, PP feels like it's mostly just working towards making theirs more efficient to cast and sometimes larger. (Not saying resculpts aren't improvements, but IMHO most aren't.)
See, other than Kingdom Death I'm finding that most of the computer sculpted stuff is lacklustre. Wyrd's stuff got bland when they went CG. GW, see also. And I think PP has jumped on the bland CG wagon.
This doesn't mean that all those original models were works of art, but rather the good outweighed the bad and they had character.
Wyrd did get a little more generic, but I think their line (in both plastic and metal) has always been a bit hit-or-miss when it comes to character/preference. GW, yeah, a bit, but I've always attributed that largely to their push towards modularity. Except their plastic IG infantry, which I think is mostly just trash.
Yea, I would agree the QC for PVC is generally pretty PooP. The quality of metal casts seem to be pretty good (at least what I have gotten) compared to PVC, but I don't know that the sculpting quality has improved or degraded. The look of models has become perhaps more along the lines of self parody, with crazy shoulderpads, weapons and tiny legs, much like how GW gets with skulls. I don't know how much of that is subjective decreases in quality only; I know I don't like it, but there's a guy in my local group who loves it more than his kids, so maybe it is just catering to a taste I don't share?
I would definitely agree that PP might be making their sculpts increasingly niche, however. I used to buy some of their models for conversions before I started playing, but there haven't been any models I have lusted after just for the quality of the sculpt for some time.
I've never had so much trouble with them- they're thin but some of the nicer minis in the line. I'd take them over properly scaled but ugly minis, any day of the week.
A run of 500 also means that, unless you're actively checking online every hour to find out when it's released, it will be sold out before you even know it's on sale.
Tannhauser42 wrote: A run of 500 also means that, unless you're actively checking online every hour to find out when it's released, it will be sold out before you even know it's on sale.
That's been basically everything of Kingdom Death for me. "KD has new models? Cool! Oh. Missed them all. Again." I think I made up for that with all the money I spent on the Monster KS, though.
Lots of other restocks as well. 80 year old savior, the basic female Great Game hunter, pin-ups, and more naked Experiments. Luckily nothing I have to have this time(I have most of it, or I'm getting it later so yay!). My wallet sighed in relief.
No none of these have rules listed as part of the product description.
I might pick up the odd resin piece like the Satan twins that won't ever (very unlikely anyway) see plastic but I'm willing to wait on stuff that has a fair chance of getting rules and plastic later.
So easy on the wallet this time (I have the Sunstalker set in plastic in my KS order)
I keep telling myself I'm noit going to buy any more KD resin miniatures without rules, but then they come out with this amazing stuff and BOOM there ya go... more stuff for my painting queue.
There have been extensive gameplay videos released by Adam Poots as well as significant comments and example rules/cards/rulebook page pictures, but the rules are not officially released yet. The only official rules components and cards available are those packaged with the "Pinups of Death" hard plastic boxed set. The latest update on the release date claims October 2014 as the big release.
It was a bit of a downer to discover that Adam Poots expected all the people who were buying the resin versions of miniatures to buy the plastic versions all over again once the 'official' release was ready; I still keep hoping he'll sell a "collectors' upgrade pack" for the models with the rules and cards only. If not, most likely I'll be trying to make my own cards for the resin collectors' miniatures I have. I don't think I can stomach spending $50 on the SlenderMan expansion pack when I've already spent $25 on the SlenderMan resin miniature, for example.
mboehm wrote: I keep telling myself I'm noit going to buy any more KD resin miniatures without rules, but then they come out with this amazing stuff and BOOM there ya go... more stuff for my painting queue.
There have been extensive gameplay videos released by Adam Poots as well as significant comments and example rules/cards/rulebook page pictures, but the rules are not officially released yet. The only official rules components and cards available are those packaged with the "Pinups of Death" hard plastic boxed set. The latest update on the release date claims October 2014 as the big release.
Whoa!
Did October 2014 actually get said? Because if it did:
I can't see anything about October in the KS comments, Facebook or Twitter (unless it's an older comment) but that actually sounds too early given the last update
I'm trying to remember where I read that, and I suppose it's possible it's been retracted already... or maybe it was in the Twitter feed. But "Pre-Order Encores estimated to ship October 2014" is still up on the KD main website under the store. Maybe they just mean individual resin minis that people pre-ordered, like the 40-year-old Savior.
Though the most recent KD Kickstarter update said that the core box is off to the manufacturers to print and assemble, so that sounds promising and, if true, October 2014 would be workable, theoretically.
(but then I've not been paying close attention to the date as this is one I'm happy to have finished when it's finished)
I would not be surprised if a cards pack is eventually offered but it's something outside the scope of the KS so Adam won't have had time to even consider it yet
ask him again once the KS is out and he may well say yes, especially if the expansions prove popular enough to get re-printed
Ah the resin encores are just that the preorders for the resin limited editions that sold out so he did an unnumbered time limited encore run but the caster needs until October to complete them
At this stage everything needs to be done not just the core game before Adam will ship to backers and only once that's done will he do a retail release so the core game could be finished and sitting on pallets but until the whole KS every mini is done there won't be a retail release - I'm hoping KS backers will see it by December but I suspect it will go to Q1 2015 with a retail release after that.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I would not be surprised if a cards pack is eventually offered but it's something outside the scope of the KS so Adam won't have had time to even consider it yet
ask him again once the KS is out and he may well say yes, especially if the expansions prove popular enough to get re-printed
Yes, exactly, that's what I'm hoping, say a year or so after the release when the dust is settled and he has time to think about things like that.
Was the ram not one of the critters you fight in the core box?
And to chime in- Adam last said the he won't be providing a release date again in case something comes up and makes him out to be a liar. I'm expecting to have it around March honestly. Plenty of time to hone my painting skill.
(although the art for the nightmare ram did get discovered during the frantic internet hunt for any and all KD concepts during the KS.. on deviantart if I remember right)
That's right, I had forgotten. I knew we had seen it before; I just assumed it was with the kickstarter. Kinda sad I missed it, but when it gets printed again at least I won't feel bad painting a first run collector's edition.
mboehm wrote: I'm trying to remember where I read that, and I suppose it's possible it's been retracted already... or maybe it was in the Twitter feed. But "Pre-Order Encores estimated to ship October 2014" is still up on the KD main website under the store. Maybe they just mean individual resin minis that people pre-ordered, like the 40-year-old Savior.
Though the most recent KD Kickstarter update said that the core box is off to the manufacturers to print and assemble, so that sounds promising and, if true, October 2014 would be workable, theoretically.
I think you may conflated the resin pre-orders release date with a proposed, hoped for but as of yet unknown Kickstarter campaign release date...
I tend to do alright when I notice that in my inbox.
I did sign up for it recently but haven't received one yet.
Thinking of getting People of the Sun but we're already getting them in KD:M, right? Not sure if I've seen that male figure before.
Yes plastics of the people of the sun are in the sunstalker expansion for the game (this is the first we've seen of the male figure, we've seen wips of the Miko the female)
So... I gave them money for the Sun People. Trouble is, I had to change emails between my first order and this one. I sent them a message to change my profile... but I really didn't want to miss out on those two. I hope I get them.
I'm pretty late at the party, but I'm searching for a euro based person who could buy stuff on the pledge manager for me (a LOT of stuff..), I'm located in Germany, and I would, of course, cover all fees and shipping when the stuff is ready to ship + something extra..
Interesting to note that the "Big 3" items AP recently rolled out - the Nightmare Ram, Sunstalker, and People of the Sun - are still available on the store. I and, I think, many others, presumed these would sell out within hours. So I'm starting to wonder why they haven't.
The Sunstalker could be because of price - $150 was probably a lot more than people were expecting that monstrosity to be priced at, and may be out of budget for even the most loose-walleted KD fan. But the other two are not terribly expensive, relatively speaking.
It's not a quality issue - the new figures are of the amazing quality and creativity that we have come to expect from KD.
Also interesting to note that the website no longer lists how many of each item they have in stock anymore.
So, that leaves us with two possibilities: People are losing interest in these botique figure releases, or they made a significantly larger run of these models than they have of previous models.
I don't think people are losing interest. That's a very glib view of it.
Rather, I believe that since the Sunstalker Expansion already contains the Sunstalker and the People of the Sun, many people will not be eager to re-purchase those models if they're already waiting on them from KD:M. Also, as you mention, this Sunstalker is significantly more expensive than the typical KD model if we're not including eBay prices.
Even so, I'd still consider them to have sold well as the Nightmare Ram and Sunstalker are below 50 units each now and they started at 500 and 125 units, respectively. Meaning that 467 Nightmare Rams have sold and 91 Sunstalkers.
Also, GenCon and the pending re-opening of the pledge manager might be staying some hands. But I believe there is still much demand for Kingdom Death products specifically and not necessarily boutique products in general, though.
Dentry wrote: Even so, I'd still consider them to have sold well as the Nightmare Ram and Sunstalker are below 50 units each now and they started at 500 and 125 units, respectively. Meaning that 467 Nightmare Rams have sold and 91 Sunstalkers.
Wait, you can see inventory counts on the website? I haven't been able to see remaining stock on the KD website in a while....
But yes, you do have a point there. Maybe GenCon and ComiCon have drained the wallets of the potential buyers.
Also now there's more awareness that the resin models are most likely not going to be supported in any way in-game.
For the good news now. They shipped, I have them, they are gorgeous, much less intimidating than the Wet Nurse Pin-Up. I put them next to some of WGF's Rising Sun range and they appear suitably massive next to them.
It's a little late now, but Coolminiornot eventually had some KD stuff come in at Gencon- I'm not sure when, but I only noticed Sunday(I asked about it Thursday and they said they definately did not have any). It seems they only brought in the Pinups set which didn't appear to have sold at all. Hidden behind a pallet in a corner of the booth didn't help any I'm assuming.
Alpharius wrote: You already have the nightmare ram and sunstalker?
Ah no. Sorry. I could only afford the people of the sun. Those (Ram and Sunstalker) I'm assuming will come later. They must be massive pieces.
I want to talk with their graphic designer though. He/She is right on the money of what is popular right now and putting those on posters, canvases and decorative items would sell like hotcakes.
Sinful Hero wrote: They had the nightmare ram and Sunstalker at gencon? I completely missed it!
Yah. Right next to the other box
When do they get it in? I looked all over the booth, and then asked Thursday morning after grabbing to third to last Icestorm bundle. They told me no Kingdom Death minis. Then on Sunday as I was headed to the Dark Age stuff I noticed the Pinup boxes behind a pallet.
I think they came in Friday. They may have sold out. It was such a whirlwind on Friday and Saturday I'm not sure. I know they had the pin ups of death plastic box too.
just showed up on the KD blog, so the male pinup(s) look to be getting closer
and another post
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So… this is one of those things as a Creator that you never really think is going to happen and then someone, somewhere in the world goes and surprises the crap out of you!
I offer my most humble thanks to Aranel for being the first, Kingdom Death cosplayer! Your costume is amazing and everyone here at the studio is psyched!
A Wet nurse pinup cosplayer would be more than acceptable for me as well. However, a female cosplayer would be much more preferrable. For the Illuminated Lady as well. I've seen some pretty disturbing cosplays so I thought I should make the gender distinction clear.
Still, a dude who could pull off the Wet Nurse would go down in the history books.
Kickstarter Update Status : Miniature assembly is complete. Need to finish photographing tomorrow. Baring a typhoon hitting china, update will be this week. (finally!)
Breotan wrote: Posting pics for people to see along with the text of the update. (spoilered because they're massive)
Kingdom Death wrote:#88 This project is not finished yet.
The amount of effort that has gone into each and every miniature is akin to squeezing a diamond from a lump of coal. Metaphorically speaking, I’m covered in soot, my finger nails are cracked and I’m coughing up black chunks.
I’ve been busy, more busy then I’ve ever been in my life, trying with every ounce of myself to keep the plastic production on track. It has been a huge challenge and has required more of my attention than I anticipated. When I tried to step back, I had to balance it against more lost time or worse yet, a loss of quality and thus, I’ve just had to keep my nose to the grindstone.
I could not step away from the tasks at hand and thus, could not get this update out any sooner. Between preparing it and getting my brain ready to respond to the follow up messages, I decided to finish the time sensitive stuff, and then return to the public surface.
And well... here I am!
Core Game Printing We have approved many digital proofs and are moving into the next stage, which will be approving physical proofs. There are… a lot of cards. Its sort of insane.
Continued Development And while the season quietly changes are hearts don’t waver. I don’t think any of us expected to be spending quite so much time together… not playing the game or building miniatures… Yet, the KD team’s commitment is absolute. Much to the chagrin of some of the staff, I have continued to stuff the expansions silly with content. Later this update I’ll be showcasing the Dung Beetle Knight expansion and how its evolved as we await the plastic production to be finished.
This translates directly to more value for the people that matter the most. You backers. You helped lift this vision into reality and the only way to thank that is to continue polishing and improving while our hard plastic manufacturing wraps up.
If I have to make you wait, I will make it better.
When you don’t have to wait, I will destroy your postman with the heaviest box they’ve ever had to deliver!
Lantern Armor Kit The quality of the Lantern Armor kit is astounding. I am really pleased with how it turned out. The kits are fun, there is defiantly a balance you need to strike depending on the gear and the subtle adjustments of the joins in order to get a strong pose. Getting absorbed in model building was a nice change of pace for a bit!
Oh, the lantern topped shoulder pads are fully optional. You can add them to most other kits and you also don't need to have them on these to complete them. Each arm and torso piece is fully independent.
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Plastic Progress + Gift! As of this moment, there are only 3 core game tools left to be cut. The Pheonix Armor kit, the Lion Armor Kit and the Screaming Fur armor kit. This DOES mean, that the Stone Face Base insert, Screaming Antelope and Hand are done! I squeezed yet another gift, ("who cares we want the project to be done already!" Yes I know... me too ;_ onto the tool with Antelope and the Hand. Two new miniatures that I simply will not reveal. They have been publicly posted anywhere. You'll just have to get your box and open it up to find out whom they are.
The Great Game Hunters translated very well. And the Twilight Cloak, its hands are armor kit compatible so you can add whatever weapons you like to em. And the Scribe! The Scribe is intense! It came out really well, although the build on it is a real process. Took our poor intern about half a day! He was working without instructions which made it a real puzzle for sure. We increased his size about 3% from the original and as promised both the scribe and the lectern lady have optional privacy fabric.
The plastic scribe is amazing. I am just glad we have instructions for it now.
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Dung Beetle Knight Upgrade! The DBK has received a lot of love from yours truly. Everyone here had to pry the project away from me as I was simply pouring too much into it. I guess that's what happens when you have a personal favorite. Dung Beetles are just soooo cool! They are like the little try hard of insects, watching videos of them struggle made me think of myself. Working so hard to just get my ball of poop from one side of the yard to the other. Ah.
Anyway, the fight with this monster is nuts. It will totally stuff you inside the ball, then blast it across the board leaving your friends with the difficult choice of either saving you, or attacking it while they are separated. Included is an Errant Badge that nets you one of the 3 random knight tactics cards ( a theme that is carried across the other expansion knights) and if you meet the right conditions you can bury gear for a few years, to later unbury it and access its more powerful calcified side! It's a pretty big time and resource investment tho! And naturally you can always fail.
Here is the teaser! Next week it's off to editing and then can be added to the DONE pile. Yeah we actually have that now.
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Manning Up There is actually some content I had prepared that I have cut for today. The reason for this, is that I have decided that every other wednesday I will post an update. I'll wake up that morning, check in with the crew, then dedicate the morning to you. You have show me nothing but astounding amounts of patience, respect and kindness. The slew of encouraging emails I get from you backers, even when I haven't posted an update for what... 9 weeks?! Is just too flattering to handle anymore. The real reason I delay updates, isn't because of the amount of work that goes into it. Its because I have to switch gears and go from art directing / game writing / factory yelling / day dreaming and suddenly... gulp... communicate to thousands of people! Its really tough!
But, that's enough whining about it. Every other Wednesday morning. I am yours. Even if there has been no signifigant factory progress I'll just fill you in on whats been going on at our internal studio. I might, might turns these smaller things into blog posts, unto which I will notify everyone about. I don't want to just flood the kickstarter with anything but serious milestones. We shall see.
Regardless of it being a blog post or an update. I will create it and I will notify you. That time will become SACRED BACKER TIME.
P.S. The game is amazing. We just went through a round of interviewing more play testers (yes more!) and they were blown away. And throughout the day I can hear the cries of triumph and defeat from the various play test areas. It is exciting!
I know our factory is doing a stellar job. And I am so thrilled to stand behind the plastic we've produced together. But let me go on the official record and say that WE (me and you) REALLY NEED THEM TO HURRY IT UP!
CUT THOSE TOOLS! INJECT THAT PLASTIC!
GO GO GO GO GO GO !!!!!!!!!!
P.P.S
Omg, I almost forgot about that thing everyone was asking for!!!! The production list! AUHG! All new entires are in blue. Yeah.. the core game crew by another full tool. Ugh. I don't know how we are going to afford producing these outside of the kickstarter. You backers are fine of course. It's just the future stuff. Hehe. Too much ambition.
Too much want!
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Oh yeah, for the sake of speed I didn't spell check or copy edit this or anything. Anna is going to yell at me soon as she finishes reading it.
Copied over from the KS thread.
When you don’t have to wait, I will destroy your postman with the heaviest box they’ve ever had to deliver!
Just to avoid duplicating conversation, let's try to keep the updates in one place or the other (this thread is great for other, non-Kickstarter releases, of which they are producing quite a few while the KS continues to chug along!).
Hmmm... so the Scribe can be assmbled without his loincloth, and is anatomically correct. Apparently also not Jewish, if you catch my drift. I'm... not sure how to process that.
(Warning, what is spoilered is both NSFW, and cannot be unseen)
However there is the lonely tree, the Lion god and the Sunstalker. Looking purely at the models I feel i can do without them, but looking at them as expansions and the currently available discount... Any recommendations?
Shinies are like damn Pokemons...
darn you RITides. And I had just sold my demonette army too 
. But the wet nurses will fit right in with my creaturecaster pincer demon when it arrives.
