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Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 04:51:25


Post by: Dentry




Helpful Links:
Kickstarter Page (Funded: Jan 7th 2013)
Kickstarter 1.5 Page (Funded: Jan 7th 2017)
Kingom Death Website
Official KD:M Kickstarter Thread
Official KD:M Rules Q&A Thread

Kingdom Death Kickstarter 1.5 Funded! Over $12 million.


Halloween! 2016 Releases
Trick or Treat bag:
(Note all models are plastic, including the previously released witches.)
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Armor Kit Bundle:
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And more:
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September 2016 Releases
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KD:M Kickstarter Status
Final KD:M Kickstarter Update coming in Sept!

• Lantern Festival - TBA Sept 2016 [Cancelled]
• Aya Painting Guide - Complete and waiting for upload
• Kara Black Skin Painting Guide - Now a video and waiting on my final approval
• Digital Art book - will be the final thing we take care of (most likely September along with our final KS update)


Expansions on Sale & The Future of Kingdom Death:

We are at a very interesting time and place with Kingdom Death. The kickstarter is nearly behind us, the game is sold out, and all that is ahead of us is the horizon. stretching out like a big empty canvas. I admit, this is sort of a new and difficult place. I've never worked like I did these past 4 years.

We (myself and the team) took every challenge head on, locked horns with any issue, and generally learned not to compromise! All that effort and all those crazy decisions we made... have now been validated. The ambition, as ludicrous as it felt, has been reached.

Putting aside my concerns and embracing a very pure desire to create is what lead to Kingdom Death and our eventual kickstarter in the first place. Our very first release, the White Speaker, was priced so that the investment would break even.

So! In the vein of embracing the insanity, Here are some things I am excited to see on the horizon of Kingdom Death. Consider it a soft-announcement of the things that inspire me to work every morning.

KDM - Nightmare Ram Expansion
KDM - Ringtail Fox Expansion
KDM - Black Knight Expansion
KDM - Gryphon Expansion
KDM - Frogdog Expansion
KDM - Lantern Festival (being reworked from the ground up, might focus on towns instead of settlements)
KDM - Storm Knight Expansion (how a survivor can become a hero)
KDM - Custom Campaign Book (for mixing our current expansions, supported with new story events)
KDM - Rust Ocean (area where Architects are from)
KD:Q - Kingdom Death Quest, a PVC game for mass market (gonna try distro with this!)
KD:T - Titan, a deck building game, its perspective far pulled far back to the greater entity level.
KD:L - Labyrinth, the game that highlights Twilight Knights, White Speakers and other hero level classes.
KD:2D - A retro cinematic platformer, with GORGEOUS hand made sprite animation.
MALE PINUPS

Of course these are the far off projects that loom large and don't include the resin releases that I have the pleasure of working on everyday!

Will all of this see the light of day? Will the team rebel and overthrow me first? I certainly can't say for now, but it should be a lot of fun either way!




Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 04:57:03


Post by: gunslingerpro


Impressed with the pledge manager undertaking. Well done, Mr. Poots.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 05:49:28


Post by: cincydooley


Hopefully he just uses some variation or rebranded version of the CKPM.


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Also....the Sunstalker is a gorgeous model.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 09:13:31


Post by: RiTides


I guess I'm a little jaded but it's very financially convenient for him to have figured this out now, After telling folks to pledge as high as possible because he wouldn't have one. Shrug...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 13:41:05


Post by: Cyporiean


 RiTides wrote:
I guess I'm a little jaded but it's very financially convenient for him to have figured this out now, After telling folks to pledge as high as possible because he wouldn't have one. Shrug...


I'm guessing its my fault, judging from the BakerKit folks thanking me for pointing Poots at them.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 14:36:16


Post by: Grot 6


 Cyporiean wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
I guess I'm a little jaded but it's very financially convenient for him to have figured this out now, After telling folks to pledge as high as possible because he wouldn't have one. Shrug...


I'm guessing its my fault, judging from the BakerKit folks thanking me for pointing Poots at them.


LOL, shame on you!!

Financially smart is more like it. Want to make money? Sell stuff!

I know for a fact, I'm worried about the base set with the basic guys. FOUR guys isn't going to do much for me if I have a gak load of heads and players.

Guess I could give each a head and spread around the body parts, and let them fight over them in the gladiator pits.

I know for a fact, that if I was to try this one, I'd at least have to have around twenty or so basic guys, and four or five of those fight areas. A game like this one, too? yeas, this one is definatly going to get some attention, especially if you pull out something like that watcher., or phenoix thing. I only saw the Lion for the base set, realyl kinda interested in how that is going to do if we get more people interested. I honestly see some minis having to "Walk off, for a small fee..."

hmmm.... wonder if their going to have some sort of "Freebooter/ demo rep" thing for the game...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 14:40:14


Post by: judgedoug


Hah, because there was not supposed to be a pledge manager is why I pulled out.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 14:47:56


Post by: Krinsath


Well, and at the time he was saying "No post-KS tweaking" he was still thinking of it as a one-man operation he'd be doing in his apartment with just friends and family helping. I imagine once the rush wore off and he realized A) he had roughly 5,000 games he had to box and ship out and B) he had $1.6M-ish (after fees and non-payment) to make that happen it seemed more feasible (and smarter, to get more money) to allow it.

I will choose to be less cynical this time since Adam hasn't shown himself to be particularly money-grubbing (in fact, he seems to avoid money at times... *grumble-about-twilight-knight-pinup-always-out-of-stock*), though the truth is probably somewhere in-between.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 14:49:56


Post by: judgedoug


Nah, like three days before the end I had a monetary emergency and asked if I could lower my pledge, and then re-up for the add-ons when the pledge manager came around. I was told no. So I just had to drop my pledge, period.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 17:44:16


Post by: Dentry


After looking at the Sunstalker Dancer, I want all my models in marble.

Spoiler:


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 17:48:25


Post by: cincydooley


I know the CMON haters will come running at this, but my sincerest hope is that he's developed some sort of production partnership with them to help manage those aspects. By all accounts, thats the type of relationship McVey had with them, and IMO it worked very well (but then again, I'm pretty much completely happy with SW).


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 18:12:05


Post by: Mahrdol


 judgedoug wrote:
Nah, like three days before the end I had a monetary emergency and asked if I could lower my pledge, and then re-up for the add-ons when the pledge manager came around. I was told no. So I just had to drop my pledge, period.
If you know someone who got the KS you could add on their KS now.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 19:23:53


Post by: Absolutionis


 RiTides wrote:
I guess I'm a little jaded but it's very financially convenient for him to have figured this out now, After telling folks to pledge as high as possible because he wouldn't have one. Shrug...
On the other hand, it didn't benefit him that much to have people pledge higher in the Kickstarter rather than pay him afterwards. The Kickstarter + Amazon Payments takes move money than Amazon Payments or Paypal alone.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 20:30:36


Post by: RiTides


But people are more likely to over buy if they feel they can't get it later. It WAS financially convenient, as I said... only he can know his motive but he just hasn't been straightforward enough to earn my business direct. If the game's good I'll buy it later at a discount... I really doubt it'll be worth the $300-$500 many people dropped in play value, which he raised due in part to the "gotta get it now" mentality, fostered in part by his saying repeatedly there would be no pledge manager.

Again, make of it what you will... but it WAS financially convenient for him, and he did repeatedly state he would not offer a pledge manager ("So get your pledge in now!").



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 20:45:39


Post by: Cyporiean


 RiTides wrote:
But people are more likely to over buy if they feel they can't get it later. It WAS financially convenient, as I said... only he can know his motive but he just hasn't been straightforward enough to earn my business direct. If the game's good I'll buy it later at a discount... I really doubt it'll be worth the $300-$500 many people dropped in play value, which he raised due in part to the "gotta get it now" mentality, fostered in part by his saying repeatedly there would be no pledge manager.

Again, make of it what you will... but it WAS financially convenient for him, and he did repeatedly state he would not offer a pledge manager ("So get your pledge in now!").



Up until about 2 weeks ago BackerKit did not have not a Pledge Manager, it was mostly just a better looking backend for Kickstarter. It was after Reaper quoted me a 'few thousand at least' for their pledge manager software that I started talking with BackerKit about building a generic pledge manager for Kickstarters in the same vein as CMON's and Reaper's. Near the end of the KD Kickstarter I told Poots (and a few others) to look into BackerKit, and what I was attempting to do with them. About 2 weeks ago they sent me some early WIP of the pledge manager, and this week a few of our backers will be testing it, before it goes live for Endless next week.

So I'd say its pretty damn likely he didn't expect to have a pledge manager option available, if BackerKit wasn't so good about listening to my requests we won't have a Pledge Manger either and would have to deal with a spreadsheet nightmare again.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 20:52:50


Post by: Dentry


In any case, having the ability to add more stuff through the pledge manager now benefits all parties; the ones that didn't have enough during the kickstarter to grab all they wanted; and Adam because he gets more money. Those that backed out or never pledged because they wouldn't be able to add more later, can, hopefully, find a friend or sponsor willing to help out so they can piggyback on their pledge.

It's unfortunate that we couldn't know beforehand that this would be an option and had to operate under the assumption that it wouldn't - I believe we were told it was a possibility but not to count on it (ie. "No adding funds later."). Even suspecting this outcome as inevitable, I still went mostly all-in just in case.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 21:08:20


Post by: RiTides


Cyporiean wrote:Near the end of the KD Kickstarter I told Poots (and a few others) to look into BackerKit, and what I was attempting to do with them. About 2 weeks ago they sent me some early WIP of the pledge manager, and this week a few of our backers will be testing it, before it goes live for Endless next week.

So I'd say its pretty damn likely he didn't expect to have a pledge manager option available, if BackerKit wasn't so good about listening to my requests we won't have a Pledge Manger either and would have to deal with a spreadsheet nightmare again.

"I'll try but can't guarantee it" is very different from repeated "No, there will Not be a pledge manager"

You've been talking about a pledge manager for Endless for some time (although this isn't the place to discuss that). That kind of transparency is what I look for in a crowd funding campaign.

I always thought he would be forced to allow adjustments- every large campaign ends up needing to to cover all the possible screw-ups backers make. It was his insistence that he wouldn't that rings hollow for me, especially given your contacting him during the campaign, even if the product wasn't ready. You can do a lot with 1.6M and adjusting pledges is a no-brainer.

I've made the point enough and won't continue to post about it here. I'll be interested in this again come Christmas when it's supposed to be done...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 22:06:58


Post by: Buzzsaw


 RiTides wrote:
Cyporiean wrote:Near the end of the KD Kickstarter I told Poots (and a few others) to look into BackerKit, and what I was attempting to do with them. About 2 weeks ago they sent me some early WIP of the pledge manager, and this week a few of our backers will be testing it, before it goes live for Endless next week.

So I'd say its pretty damn likely he didn't expect to have a pledge manager option available, if BackerKit wasn't so good about listening to my requests we won't have a Pledge Manger either and would have to deal with a spreadsheet nightmare again.

"I'll try but can't guarantee it" is very different from repeated "No, there will Not be a pledge manager"

You've been talking about a pledge manager for Endless for some time (although this isn't the place to discuss that). That kind of transparency is what I look for in a crowd funding campaign.

I always thought he would be forced to allow adjustments- every large campaign ends up needing to to cover all the possible screw-ups backers make. It was his insistence that he wouldn't that rings hollow for me, especially given your contacting him during the campaign, even if the product wasn't ready. You can do a lot with 1.6M and adjusting pledges is a no-brainer.

I've made the point enough and won't continue to post about it here. I'll be interested in this again come Christmas when it's supposed to be done...


One day we'll discover just what Poots did to RiTides' dog...

Poots thought he wouldn't' have a pledge manager. So he advised people not to count on having one.

People begged, pleaded and plied him with pictures of the aforementioned dog (allegedly), and a piece of software falls into his lap. So he obliges people. There was much rejoicing. What's the complaint here? That he was unduly cautious thorough the campaign? Given the set of facts as Cyp lays them out, Poots has acted as I would have acted; moreover, saying "we might have a pledge manager allowing you to increase later" is all too easily conflated in the telephone game of internet forums into "there will be a pledge manager..." His actions seem prudent, not sinister.

In any case, as someone that has spent an... well, slightly embarrassing amount of money on this campaign, the news of a pledge manager is rather welcome. To say nothing of the great WIPs.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 22:17:56


Post by: RiTides


He kicked it


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/29 23:25:25


Post by: kaiohx


Its wonderful he is letting people who missed out on it pledge, oh wait...no he isn't. Oh well, I probably would have spent way too much money on this that should go elsewhere. Too bad I didn't have the foresight to pledge $1 like some people did.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 00:39:32


Post by: Tannhauser42


Another advantage of doing this is to make more money to help cover the new USPS shipping rates.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 08:53:54


Post by: Absolutionis


So, I'm curious if upping our pledge via this Pledge Manager post-Kickstarter will qualify us for the "Herald of Death".


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 10:48:33


Post by: Scrub


 Absolutionis wrote:
So, I'm curious if upping our pledge via this Pledge Manager post-Kickstarter will qualify us for the "Herald of Death".


Good point, I've got some more disposable income that might tempt me over the line for the ol' Herald of Death If It were at all possible (thought I'm not hugely fussed about it either - I've ordered everything I genuinely liked) so that could be interesting.

I'm more concerned about shipping rates though, it was already $45 which in itself isn't wasn't the the end of the world, It's the VAT that's going to hurt and if the delivery price goes up substantially (combined with said VAT) then it could give me a serious sense of buyer's remorse!



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 12:03:23


Post by: Duke Nuke Them


 Scrub wrote:
 Absolutionis wrote:
So, I'm curious if upping our pledge via this Pledge Manager post-Kickstarter will qualify us for the "Herald of Death".


I'm more concerned about shipping rates though, it was already $45 which in itself isn't wasn't the the end of the world, It's the VAT that's going to hurt and if the delivery price goes up substantially (combined with said VAT) then it could give me a serious sense of buyer's remorse!



as far as i understand it the delivery price cant go up (meaning we would now get less figs for our current pledges or now pay more) - it was set out in the KS - im sure adam can get a good deal sorted with a smaller - more hungry firm over there in the usa to cover himself?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 12:16:14


Post by: Breotan


Shipping rates only went up for the USPS. UPS, Fed Ex, and bulk shipping companies (the guys who put stuff in containers on ships) have the same rates they've always had.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 14:03:15


Post by: cincydooley


 kaiohx wrote:
Its wonderful he is letting people who missed out on it pledge, oh wait...no he isn't. Oh well, I probably would have spent way too much money on this that should go elsewhere. Too bad I didn't have the foresight to pledge $1 like some people did.


You know, because the campaign didn't last over a month or anything..... or have 90+ pages here dedicated to it....

If you missed it then find a friend that is in, and now that they've determined it viable and reasonble to have a pledge manager, hop on theirs.

If you don't, the only person you have to blame is yourself: either for not having friends, or not being able to make a pledge decision in a 45 day period.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 15:51:48


Post by: recruittons


Actually, I believe he is upset because (if I get this straight) he had pledged, but didn't have enough for all the content, and since Adam was saying so clearly that there wouldn't be a post-KS pledge manager, he dropped it because he wanted everything or nothing.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 16:01:14


Post by: cincydooley


 recruittons wrote:
Actually, I believe he is upset because (if I get this straight) he had pledged, but didn't have enough for all the content, and since Adam was saying so clearly that there wouldn't be a post-KS pledge manager, he dropped it because he wanted everything or nothing.


Maybe I'm a cynic, or am overly critical, but doesn't that fall on him as well? The all or nothing viewpoint is silly to me. The boxed game itself is going to have TONS of content and 50 very nice miniatures to fool around with. Isn't that enough?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 16:03:18


Post by: recruittons


Yes, but I could also see how it would be incredibly frustrating to have based your pledge on something, then be told that this thing wouldn't happen, and then it happens.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 16:47:57


Post by: Buzzsaw


That's a tough one. Yeah, it sucks to miss out, but the fact is that by the end Adam was offering such a good deal I don't know why anyone into KD wouldn't have pledged something. Remember, as of the end, anyone that pledged for anything that included physical shipping received 2 free figures: so you could pledge $11 (options only pledge level), get any of the campaign limited materials (or discounted expansions) and make out like a bandit.

By "make out like a bandit", I mean the best deal (in terms of figures) would probably be Options only ($11) and Lion Knight Expansion ($25). 6 figures for $36 (Lion Knight, 3 ladies of his court, Twilight Knight and White Speaker). Technically the cheapest option would be Options Only ($11) and ten base inserts ($10).


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 17:01:40


Post by: recruittons


Oh, I totally get what you're saying! I just can understand his frustration at feeling like he could have gotten exactly what he was after, but was told something contradictory to what happened. It just sucks and I feel for the guy


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 19:58:42


Post by: RiTides


Plus, I considered the $11 pledge but didn't want to take advantage of Poots. If you give him the benefit of the doubt, you should give it to nonbackers, too.

Someone ran low on funds, didn't want to "make out like a bandit" with the $11 pledge, and had to cancel. I can see where they're coming from, basically, and think it should be obvious.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 20:07:52


Post by: Alpharius


I gonna go Naysay all over your favorite Kickstarter threads now too!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/30 22:19:48


Post by: RiTides


Nooooooooo I'm done promise . And the above was about backers, not the KS!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/31 09:32:54


Post by: kaiohx


 cincydooley wrote:

You know, because the campaign didn't last over a month or anything..... or have 90+ pages here dedicated to it....

If you missed it then find a friend that is in, and now that they've determined it viable and reasonble to have a pledge manager, hop on theirs.

If you don't, the only person you have to blame is yourself: either for not having friends, or not being able to make a pledge decision in a 45 day period.


Actually smartass, I never said I didn't know about it (how couldnt you, it was jammed down our throats by Dakka, /tg, and every other game site) only that I missed pledging. All my hobby funds went elsewhere that month. I'm really only annoyed that I can't pledge for the stuff that will be a annoying to get later, like that Gutz mini, but that's fine I guess. I don't have any friends who pledged to it, and most of them stay away from KS like its the plague.

Oh well. win some, lose some. I've got tons of Dreadball to paint anyway.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/31 15:07:29


Post by: IdentifyZero


I hate to say it, but as much as I love the KD Line I backed out my pledge on the last day.

For many of the reasons listed prior, as well as several of my own. I am sure those who get it, when they do will enjoy it. For me, it just became hard to keep myself involved with the project. (Not a fan of businesses or individuals who go back on their word)


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/31 15:14:28


Post by: plastictrees


What word did he go back on?
The "no adding to your pledge" thing? He said no when he didn't think it was feasible, he has now said yes once he realised that it was.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/31 16:07:21


Post by: cincydooley


Yeah, he didn't go back on any word, not really.

He said the logistics of it would be hard for him to handle with the crew he was (at the time) working with (which was him and like, a friend who he was presumably paying in beer and pizza), and thus it would have been a real logistical nightmare.

It was pretty clear he was getting MULTIPLE requests for a more robust pledge manager as the campaign went on, so it would a safe assumption that, as the $$ continued to grow, that he began looking for a solution to help him manage the pledges.

It would appear that he found a solution that would be a logistical and budgetary possibility, and he's going to implement it. For people to get upset about that is, IMO, unreasonable, particularly given how he's not only given a few updates since the KS ended, but also because the dude was (seemingly) so darn committed and sincere to the customer base during the campaign.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/01/31 16:38:34


Post by: Alfndrate


I know I'm doing some testing for On the Lamb Games and Backerkit for their pledge manager... Since this is what Poots is using, I could probably write up my experience.

I do agree that it's a GOOD thing that Adam managed to find a solution, but it does suck for those that missed out on the kickstarter because they couldn't change their pledge after the fact.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 16:35:18


Post by: Alpharius




Nice find - thanks for sharing it!

Loving this model...









Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 16:43:07


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Wings, I didn'k realise the DBK had wings

they make it even better!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 16:48:22


Post by: judgedoug


I don't mind too much. I had to pull my big pledge as I got hit with a tax that the state forgot to send me last year, and I had like a week to pay $430 on my Camaro (they sent me the wrong personal property tax bill last year with it undervalued; then decided to send me the correct one, with interest added, even though it was their fault, a big mess, love dealing with beaurocracy). I emailed the Kingdom Death people and asked if I could drop my pledge to a lower one or even $1 (as it was ending in a few days) and said I could increase it back to my original several-hundred-dollar pledge after the KS ended (next paycheck basically). The response was

"Sadly I can't offer a way to add funds to your pledge since we don't have the resources to track those payments along with your pledge.

However, I think you'll find the core game content will keep you busy with tons of gameplay. Also the game content will be available through the KD store after the fulfillment period for the Kickstarter ends."

Paid the bill Jan 5. This message/email was January 6. The Kickstarter ended Jan 7. Next paycheck was Jan 9. So I had to drop the pledge pretty much completely.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 18:22:20


Post by: spiralingcadaver


The Dung Beetle was, along with the sunstalker, probably my favorite concept-- really glad to see what it looks like, up close.

Not super-excited about the sword, but still very cool, and the sword might grow on me...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 19:19:30


Post by: The Fragile Breath


Huh. Before now, I never realized the Beetle had a sword. I thought it was a bit odd that a "knight" was unarmed.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 19:42:41


Post by: Marrak


I'm really curious to know how the ball works. With that mouth it looks like it could trap survivors or something else of that sort. Also how it works with the DBknight while in combat; is it targetable or just something to avoid?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 20:47:58


Post by: greywulf


 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Not super-excited about the sword, but still very cool, and the sword might grow on me...


If it makes any difference, I think it's a sword in a scabbard, and not the sword itself you see.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 20:52:27


Post by: spiralingcadaver


greywulf wrote:
 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Not super-excited about the sword, but still very cool, and the sword might grow on me...


If it makes any difference, I think it's a sword in a scabbard, and not the sword itself you see.


Yeah, it took me a minute to get that, which made me like it more, but I still think it doesn't look the best. I think an organic appendage; some fiddler crab-style mismatched size, or some other equivalent to a sword would have been cooler. Still like it a lot, though.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 21:18:35


Post by: The Fragile Breath


 Marrak wrote:
I'm really curious to know how the ball works. With that mouth it looks like it could trap survivors or something else of that sort. Also how it works with the DBknight while in combat; is it targetable or just something to avoid?


I really hope there are AI cards that have just the ball do something, not only do I think that would be really interesting, it would also give me an excuse to say "The Ball is angry" >.> (I play way too much League of Legends).

I've been envisioning how I want to paint the Beetle Knight. I think (for me) bright colors are necessary, but we'll see which ones. Green might just be too expected for me to go through with it.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 21:25:56


Post by: JudgeShamgar


How about purple?



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/01 21:52:23


Post by: The Fragile Breath


Freaking brilliant! I wonder how the Flower Knight would look with that color too...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/02 12:27:58


Post by: JudgeShamgar


Not nearly as good as this color combo:



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/04 23:42:12


Post by: Dentry


Update #64

Kingdom Death wrote:Sunstalker Miko Begins, Messenger of Courage Update and Some Gear Art!

First let me drop a real quick shout out to Rivet Wars, which is ending in the next 5 hours! I have backed the game as it has a lot of new ideas for the tabletop skirmish genre and I am excited to play it once its finally out!

Pledge Manager - First design pass complete, stay tuned for more information.
Stock of General Releases on KD Store - Still waiting on a shipment from the casting partner.

Messenger of Courage, work in progress :


Sunstalker Miko wire Armature :


Spider Silk Gear


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/11 23:13:52


Post by: Dentry


Update #65
Kingdom Death wrote:Heya Guys,

Hard at work over here! Looks like I might be going to china real soon to visit some factories! I've also been learning a lot about dice making, what is and what isn't possible etc. I've spoken to Chessex, Koplow and a few places in china. Much greater detail is possible by doing silk screen printing on die but... I dunno. I really feel like they need to be engraved, which drastically changes what can and can't be done.

*Edit - I forgot to add this link to some painted starting survivors over on BOLS!
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/02/hobby-practicing-skin-tones-with.html

!!!

If anyone has any leads to interesting dice manufactures, please hit me up!

Allright, now some photos!








Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/11 23:33:19


Post by: Scrub


Not really feeling that Archer, she doesn't strike me as someone that would be able to use that bow

The rest is very nice though, as per usual!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/15 18:30:19


Post by: Piston Honda




Adam poots took Eric Cartman's advice on how to pose for an album cover.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/15 19:07:41


Post by: Mahrdol


Long Live the King..err maybe not

http://art.thomasdavid.over-blog.com/article-kingdom-death-monster-the-king-115368949.html


I had no idea that model had a baby chain.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/15 19:19:51


Post by: Dentry


Look at all the cute baby butts on that model!


Spoiler:
Adam Poots wrote:The way the game would be introduced to people, and the way you will interact with it as a player is by experience. Every monster will have three short folk tales that encompass its personality and place in the world. Story is important, but not in a literary, linear sense. The story is about you the player, interacting with this world and experiencing it with your friends as everything unfolds. To me the way I want to show the world to people is through the little folk stories and the events that are in the game, including the major story events and smaller hunt events. You’ll get little descriptions and slices of the world from the perspective of the people in it. I don’t want to just give people a full history and map of this world. I want to have everything separated into small digestible pieces. The more you play, the more familiar you’ll be with the world and the more it’ll all fit together. When you start the game, the player’s knowledge is zero, and the survivor’s knowledge is zero. You get introduced to everything slowly and organically as you play. Because of that perspective, you’ll see things different from the way they might actually be.

Very eager to experience this first hand.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/15 20:05:16


Post by: Guildsman


What a stand up guy. I really couldn't be happier for Adam and his successes so far with KD. He might be concerned about creating an ongoing business from all of this, but I'm not. Assuming he can work out a reliable production deal with a manufacturer, I think he'll have no shortage of customers lining up to throw money at him.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/15 20:21:26


Post by: Pacific


Anyone know what kind of time scale there is going to be for stuff going on general sale, as opposed to the KS shipping?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/15 20:55:43


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


He says in the interview he may open up pre-orders (via his website) to sell through the remainder of the KS production run once he ships the KS stuff to backers (I'll guess early next year for this)

However it may never go on general sale as it seems like it will be an very expensive game

the basic box got a price estimate of around $120 by Adam, and he's added extra since then.... he may not be able to produce it cheap enough to interest distributors if they don't get their usuall 40-60 % discount



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/15 21:54:49


Post by: silent25


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
He says in the interview he may open up pre-orders (via his website) to sell through the remainder of the KS production run once he ships the KS stuff to backers (I'll guess early next year for this)

However it may never go on general sale as it seems like it will be an very expensive game

the basic box got a price estimate of around $120 by Adam, and he's added extra since then.... he may not be able to produce it cheap enough to interest distributors if they don't get their usuall 40-60 % discount



You are going to see a huge boost in changes to peoples commitments. I know I held off adding several items because I assumes it would make it to stores. Pretty sure there were others who did the same.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/02/16 00:30:00


Post by: Rainyday


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

the basic box got a price estimate of around $120 by Adam, and he's added extra since then.... he may not be able to produce it cheap enough to interest distributors if they don't get their usuall 40-60 % discount



Maybe the base game set could be broken up into a scaled back version, and upgrade packs, to allow people to get the full experience (similar to how Super Dungeon Explore contains a minimum number of monsters, but offers monster add-on packs to allow you to customize your setup). Maybe one of the larger monsters like the phoenix, and be put in an exansion is stead of the base game and take half of each armor set with him. If you play the base game and like it, you can buy a phoenix expansion and upgrade the other armor kits too. I can't see the average board-gamer going for a single-box release of over $100, without some seriously good reviews.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/15 07:19:02


Post by: Dentry


Updates posted on first page, including relevant galleries. Trying to stay on top of this but you guys know how things get. Anyway, look at the pretty pictures.

Spoiler:










Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/15 13:32:07


Post by: cincydooley


I think the Kara looks just fantastic.

I never cease to be amazed how closely the sculpts end up matching the concept art. It really is impressive.

And at this point, I want a hardcover art book. You here that Mr. Poots? HARCOVER ART BOOK!!! Too much beautiful art in this universe to not have one.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/15 17:23:30


Post by: spiralingcadaver


 cincydooley wrote:
I think the Kara looks just fantastic.

I never cease to be amazed how closely the sculpts end up matching the concept art. It really is impressive.

This. Also, I really like the post-battle sketch


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 17:29:21


Post by: Lockark


It's disappointing I had to drop my pledge for this game due to other commitments. I look foreword to when the general public can buy this game and models.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 18:15:00


Post by: Alpharius


I hope you'll be able to as well, but given how fast everything Kingdom Death related tends to sell out, you might be in for a struggle there.

I know that's one of the reasons why I spent so much (too much!) on this Kickstarter...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 18:22:55


Post by: Bossk_Hogg


Anyone know when this pledge manager closes? With the added info that this wont be getting a wider release, I definately need to bulk up what I had initially thought I would spend... Hopefully theres another paycheck in there.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 18:44:41


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Adam has said he'll let people know when it has to close

(and that it will be a firm cut-off)

but no date has been given yet


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 19:56:11


Post by: silent25


Well I put my pledge in. Decided against ordering additional items, but went with plastic for the figures over resin. After getting the Sedition Wars plastics, have enough faith in the current state of plastic casting that the detail will be at a level acceptable to me.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 21:26:26


Post by: cincydooley


Wait, so this isn't going to be getting a wider release? Where was that said. Panic!!!!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 21:30:16


Post by: Sidstyler


Yeah, why isn't this getting a wider release? He sure as hell made enough money for it I would think.

Not that I'm all that interested personally, as I've no doubt said before this entire universe seems to be more about T&A than "horror", but still, that's kind of surprising news.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 21:32:57


Post by: DaveC


Adam's plan is for a very limited and controlled retail release he doesn't want to supply it to online discounters and it will most likely only be available from himself, CMON and one or 2 other sources that are willing to sell at full retail, his intention is maintain this as a premium product.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 21:34:59


Post by: Alpharius


Who said it wasn't getting a wider release?

Adam's plans weren't finalized, and he's certainly hinted at/said he wasn't going to sell to Internet Discounters or something similar, but I imagine it will be available eventually.

You know, as 'available' as things generally are on his store at least.

Which isn't very often, or for long!

But then, maybe this Kickstarter changed all that?

And he'll be able to stock this stuff a bit more often, with higher quantities?

Anyway, that's what I was talking about - no need to panic.

Yet!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 21:58:58


Post by: overtyrant


Well I'm not sure of this now. I downed my pledge due to financial reasons and was waiting for the pledge manager to 'up' it again. But if there is not going to be a distributor within the EU then quite frankly im not intrested. bloody lovely models and rules or no bloddy lovely models and rules im not buying from the US everytime I want something new for this game.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 22:21:43


Post by: primalexile


 Alpharius wrote:
I hope you'll be able to as well, but given how fast everything Kingdom Death related tends to sell out, you might be in for a struggle there.

I know that's one of the reasons why I spent so much (too much!) on this Kickstarter...


I am in the same boat, I was not exactly forthcoming with my Wife on how much I spent on this either...... Then I spent more on the Pledge Manager! Something tells me I will get some of the money back from selling off all the non game related freebies and one shots he gave us.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/19 22:30:06


Post by: Pacific


Usually the US-only stuff, like Reaper, finds some UK websites that will stock most of the releases.

I find it very hard to imagine that miniatures of this quality and popularity won't be travelling across the pond by the boat-load!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 00:35:53


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 cincydooley wrote:
Wait, so this isn't going to be getting a wider release? Where was that said. Panic!!!!


It's uncertain,

Adam has said he's going to get the KS stuff done (and enough extra to allow him to get better manufacturing rates which is probably an order of 8-10,000 sets) and see where things shake out

It's pretty likely that there will be some left over to sell on his webstore, but at the moment it's looking unlikely that many will get out into the wild (maybe a few to CMON, maybe a few to selected retail stores he's got a pre-existing relationship with), probably depending on how many 'extra' sets are made.

He's never been big on traditional distribution both for control reasons (he likes being hands on) and profit/value reasons (and If I read things right where his stuff is sold by others they don't get the standard distributors discount) and strongly anti 'discount' online retailers.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 07:27:48


Post by: IdentifyZero


The pledge manager will be open through the first week of April. This is what I was just informed by Anna when I inquired how long it would be open for.

I hope this helps others out. Given the $800+ it costs to buy the game and everything that comes with it... I need to sell some of my stuff and fast! Might be ditching a biohazard set of Sedition Wars shortly for some lucky fella!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 08:40:41


Post by: Sirius42


I was considering doing the same, especially if there's not going to be an eu distributor and no general release, his web store is a nightmare to get anything off of so getting any expansions to the game will be hell unless Adam shakes things up a bit, also without eu distribution I cannot see the game taking off over here tbh, which limits its playability within my group.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 14:15:06


Post by: zedmeister


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


It's pretty likely that there will be some left over to sell on his webstore, but at the moment it's looking unlikely that many will get out into the wild (maybe a few to CMON, maybe a few to selected retail stores he's got a pre-existing relationship with), probably depending on how many 'extra' sets are made.

He's never been big on traditional distribution both for control reasons (he likes being hands on) and profit/value reasons (and If I read things right where his stuff is sold by others they don't get the standard distributors discount) and strongly anti 'discount' online retailers.


I can see problems with not selling to distribution channels in that his product becomes so exclusive and desirable that those that are available end up in the hands of ebay scrapers. General sellers will see the price this goes for and price accordingly. Collectors and fans, desperate to get the product, will pay those prices. Just take a look at KD model prices on ebay now. Astronomical is not the word, and those prices are for the general release stuff. I hate to see what this boardgame will go for and how high the prices will shoot.

I think I can see what he's trying to do - he's trying to protect the product value, stop "Internet Discounters" (whatever they are) and look after the fans. His comment on KS the other day just reinforces it for me, to wit:

P.S. The Ebay stuff is just pure insanity. Don't buy into it, people are just building up the hype and inflating the value of everything artificially. If you really NEED a model as a fan, just contact me and I will do what I can which is usually making arrangements for another run.


Putting aside the Fan comment and how do you know so and so is a fan debate: I get from that comment that the ebay prices horrify him. But, from his previous comments, he also wants to restrict the flow of his product to a limited amount of retailers to either prevent devaluing the product or to protect business from these Internet discounter daemons.

But restricting the supply of the product available, especially one so desirable, will lead to insane prices and the ebay scrapers will move in leading to a scenario that he wants to avoid. Genuine fans, i.e. those who want to collect, paint and/or game will loose out by having to pay large prices or wait until the next 20 minis appear on his store whereby it crashes or they sell out within the day...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 14:47:33


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Part of his desire to limit supply is down to the fact that is resin caster limits supply to him,

So in that material at least there is not a lot he can do to increase supply so as he's selling out anyway distributing elsewhere for less proffit would be foolish

(he has tried other casters, but has yet to find one who can do it so well....they'd need to produce comparable casts, at comparable costs and have the time to do so)

I terms of the plastic, I REALLY hope he manages to get it out to distribution, or at least to game stores who want to buy in, as there is a lot more flexability of supply

in terms of internet discounters I suspect what he's been worried about is he's have to supply at standard distributors rates eg 60% of retail, so he looses a big margin there,

but if they then sell at 80% of retail he will also loose a lot of sales that would otherwise go through is website (why would folk pay more) so by going into distribution he'd loose twice.

Again a major disaster for a small scale company working in resin, but potentially not such a problem for a larger scale manufacturer where volume can compensate so this may change

or one or more distributors may agree to NOT put his stuff on sale,

I know from what he/CMON have implied that their tie is due, at least in part to favorable terms they give him (higher prices ?/ No sales?)


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 16:37:45


Post by: Amaya


Can someone explain the Gorm to me? Aside from the fact it is a giant monster baby...and why the feth does it have a detailed bumhole? That's just nasty...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 16:53:34


Post by: Zweischneid


 Amaya wrote:
Aside from the fact it is a giant monster baby...and why the feth does it have a detailed bumhole? That's just nasty...


Oh.. he's got more highly detailed anatomy than just that..


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 17:18:16


Post by: Absolutionis


 Amaya wrote:
Can someone explain the Gorm to me? Aside from the fact it is a giant monster baby...and why the feth does it have a detailed bumhole? That's just nasty...
The whole point of KD's monsters is that they're meant to be creepy/nasty in a way that doesn't involve blood, gore, or undead. The Gorm is a huge disturbing elephant-baby hybrid, and if it's disturbing to look at, the artist has done his job. Most people are jaded from the typical attempts at 'creepy' ranging from Khornate blood/gore to Nurgle disease/undead to Slaaneshi LOLtits/Im12yearsold to Tzeentchian Watisthat? KD monsters are alien and familiar.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 19:34:50


Post by: Amaya


To be honest, I don't feed creepy as much as I do just gross. It comes off as trying too hard. Very well sculpted though (as are all the models), but the baby face and super detailed genitalia and pooper are excessive.

40k daemons (aside from Nurgle) are just silly and overly grimdark hardcore.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 19:39:49


Post by: Alpharius


That 'aesthetic' is pretty much in many of the "Monsters" in Kingdom Death though...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 19:44:08


Post by: Korraz


Wait a minute... I thought the miniatures KD:M were all CAD-Sculpted. What's that armature for the Miko for?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 19:49:02


Post by: spiralingcadaver


Depends on the sculptor- some are CAD etc., some are traditional.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 20:36:02


Post by: The Fragile Breath


 Amaya wrote:
To be honest, I don't feed creepy as much as I do just gross. It comes off as trying too hard. Very well sculpted though (as are all the models), but the baby face and super detailed genitalia and pooper are excessive.

40k daemons (aside from Nurgle) are just silly and overly grimdark hardcore.


Excessive? I'd disagree. What's wrong with a monster having proper anatomy?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 21:29:33


Post by: spiralingcadaver


I'd argue that it is, but Kingdom Death seems based on excess and exaggeration, so, well, I think it's appropriate.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/20 21:36:53


Post by: BrookM


Body horror is part of the theme running throughout the design of the game. According to Poots, it is supposed to freak you out and make you feel icky and alienated.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 10:11:37


Post by: gunslingerpro


Locking my pledge manager without buying anything else was one of the proudest moments of self control I've ever had!


...followed by crushing regret.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 10:20:02


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


More pretty pictures from the latest update
















Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:14:48


Post by: The Fragile Breath


I'm addicted to these updates. I can't wait for my giant box to arrive many, many months from now.

The Sunstalker armor is looking great, and the fur armor is looking beautiful!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:22:00


Post by: Amaya


The Fragile Breath wrote:
 Amaya wrote:
To be honest, I don't feed creepy as much as I do just gross. It comes off as trying too hard. Very well sculpted though (as are all the models), but the baby face and super detailed genitalia and pooper are excessive.

40k daemons (aside from Nurgle) are just silly and overly grimdark hardcore.


Excessive? I'd disagree. What's wrong with a monster having proper anatomy?


Why is it necessary for a miniatures game?



BrookM wrote:Body horror is part of the theme running throughout the design of the game. According to Poots, it is supposed to freak you out and make you feel icky and alienated.


The only thing that makes me feel alienated is the OTT T&A female models.


And now the concept art that has a "nigredo" head in a jar...with not so subtle facial characteristics. I'd call racism, but I'll just assume (based on the other work) that the creator is ignorant of western social norms.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:29:07


Post by: Alpharius



The only thing that makes me feel alienated is the OTT T&A female models.


You might want to avoid KINGDOM DEATH threads moving forward then.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:32:30


Post by: Amaya


 Alpharius wrote:

The only thing that makes me feel alienated is the OTT T&A female models.


You might want to avoid KINGDOM DEATH threads moving forward then.


Going to ignore the racist caricature, eh?

It would be easier to ignore if people weren't posting a link to the KS that contains a NSFW image on what is supposedly a family friendly site.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:37:37


Post by: Alpharius


More use of the MOD ALERT button, less trying to incite via posts, please.

Thanks!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:44:08


Post by: Alfndrate


I would avoid the racial caricatures simply because I feel you're grasping at straws. I can see what you're referring to, but I googled the word Nigredo (something I'm apt to do when I don't recognize a word), and I get this:

Nigredo, or blackness, in alchemy means putrefaction or decomposition. The alchemists believed that as a first step in the pathway to the philosopher's stone all alchemical ingredients had to be cleansed and cooked extensively to a uniform black matter


Seeing as it's a head in a jar, I assumed it would relate to alchemy... but that's just me...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:45:37


Post by: cincydooley


 Amaya wrote:

Going to ignore the racist caricature, eh?

It would be easier to ignore if people weren't posting a link to the KS that contains a NSFW image on what is supposedly a family friendly site.


What racist charicature is this? The one next to three jars who, as a foursome, make up the alchemic magnum opus? That one?

There's nothing racist about it; you just dont have the proper knowledge to put it in the correct context.

As to feeling 'alienated by the OTT T&T;' puhlease, take your overly puritanical stick and beat it elsewhere. You know opening a KD thread there may be some 'risque' art, and if that's the kind of stuff you find objectionable, don't open the thread.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:45:55


Post by: Bellygrub


 Amaya wrote:


And now the concept art that has a "nigredo" head in a jar...with not so subtle facial characteristics. I'd call racism, but I'll just assume (based on the other work) that the creator is ignorant of western social norms.


I think you're trying to see things that aren't there. Nigredo is a term used in alchemy.

Nigredo, or blackness, in alchemy means putrefaction or decomposition

The other heads are alchemy terms as well.

I also don't see any "subtle facial charactersistics". I just see a decomposing head in a jar.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:46:03


Post by: skarsol


So beat'd. That's what I get for not refreshing the page before posting. :(


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:48:11


Post by: Alpharius


And on top of that, I'm not seeing much NSFW in there either.

But then again, maybe none of us should be browsing a game site... at work!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 13:57:30


Post by: cincydooley


Yeah, I'm not seeing any NSWF either.

But then again, I don't work on an Amish farm.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:00:44


Post by: Amaya


 Alpharius wrote:
And on top of that, I'm not seeing much NSFW in there either.

But then again, maybe none of us should be browsing a game site... at work!


It's pretty immature to not respond to a PM with a PM, respond to my PM in this thread, and then delete my response. I showed enough courtesy to extract myself from this thread and contact you personally, I would expect a moderator to do the same.


Edit: My issue with the T&A has nothing to do with being "puritannical", "old fashioned", or "Amish." I consider exploitation of female sexuality in an attempt to be "edgy" and "mature". If the game truly desired to be mature it would depict females not as bimbo pin ups, but as actual characters, equal to their male counterparts.

The concept and setting of the game are both interesting and I understand the allure.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:04:45


Post by: cincydooley


We're just waiting for you to admit to your overreaching attempt at characterizing something as racist that very clearly wasn't.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:06:18


Post by: JOHIRA


 Amaya wrote:
BrookM wrote:Body horror is part of the theme running throughout the design of the game. According to Poots, it is supposed to freak you out and make you feel icky and alienated.


The only thing that makes me feel alienated is the OTT T&A female models.


I'd normally complain, but the thing is with KD, that's what the aesthetic of the game is all about: OTT Pin-ups and demonic forces that are cleverly designed to avoid most of the tropes in other games but still look weird and disturbing. KD does this very well, and if you don't like what they're setting out to do then there's little point in complaining about it.

And now the concept art that has a "nigredo" head in a jar...with not so subtle facial characteristics. I'd call racism, but I'll just assume (based on the other work) that the creator is ignorant of western social norms.


If you were to call racism, that would imply you didn't bother to look at the three other jars in that same picture.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:26:28


Post by: Alpharius


 JOHIRA wrote:
 Amaya wrote:
BrookM wrote:Body horror is part of the theme running throughout the design of the game. According to Poots, it is supposed to freak you out and make you feel icky and alienated.


The only thing that makes me feel alienated is the OTT T&A female models.


I'd normally complain, but the thing is with KD, that's what the aesthetic of the game is all about: OTT Pin-ups and demonic forces that are cleverly designed to avoid most of the tropes in other games but still look weird and disturbing. KD does this very well, and if you don't like what they're setting out to do then there's little point in complaining about it.


Well, he's certainly free to express his opinion, of course!

But if it leads to continually beating the same drum over and over, it could be considered spam and/or trolling, and that might cause trouble.

 JOHIRA wrote:

And now the concept art that has a "nigredo" head in a jar...with not so subtle facial characteristics. I'd call racism, but I'll just assume (based on the other work) that the creator is ignorant of western social norms.


If you were to call racism, that would imply you didn't bother to look at the three other jars in that same picture.


It is disappointing that he didn't apologize for jumping that particular gun though.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:27:15


Post by: cincydooley


Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton never do either.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:31:20


Post by: primalexile


I must say the Sunstalker Armor looks awesome, I had some reservations about it with it's concept art but not anymore! November can not come soon enough.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:35:22


Post by: Amaya


Have to wonder why the head appears to be mishapen, has a broad flat nose, large brow, and thick lips...

It looks nothing like any other male skull in any of their other artwork...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:46:39


Post by: cincydooley


Well, it's misshapen because its desiccated.

As to the the other three "attempts to incite racial implications:"

Quite frankly, you're seeing what you want to see. The nose is hardly "broad". The brow isn't any more large than any of the other three skulls (that at this point I'm convinced you can't see). And thick lips? Give me a break. First, there's only one, the bottom one, and the top one is nearly non-existent and withered.

Seriously, take your race bating somewhere else.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And as to "not looking like any of the other artwork:"

I'd direct you to Update 67 where the male heads are on display. One of the heads clearly has some of the very characteristics you're attempting to classify as racist.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 14:50:21


Post by: Amaya


nomotog wrote:
I'm not sure how you come to your conclusion that they are the same. Just looking at the sun stalker armor posted above. Compared to the male model.

The helmet is cut down to show more of her face.

the arms are rather bare.

The top is cut out to show more belly and what looks like a thong or string bikini under the shorts.

The shorts bug me the most. Exposed thighs with only a fraction of the covering of the male legs.

She has heels too.

I also find a problem with the posing. She isn't doing anything, but standing. Meanwhile the male model is moving looks like he about to strike.



You'll forgive me if I don't trust your eyes Cincy.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 15:00:40


Post by: The Fragile Breath


I honestly don't see the features you claim to be in that particular head in a jar. Just looks like a decaying head in a jar, I see no signs of racism.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 15:02:10


Post by: cincydooley


You're really apt at dodging eh? We're see what we want to see. You obviously want to see something racist that at least 5 of us in this thread don't see.

You must simply be leaps and bound more culturally enlightened than us.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 15:14:08


Post by: BlueDagger


Getting a wee bit off topic all. I'm baffled how anyone could possibly come into a KD thread and complain about OTT T&A and disturbing images. That IS Kingdom Death. That's like going into a 40k thread and saying that the human skulls on stuff is disturbing and GW should stop because it's inhumane.

On the updates, I'm simply effing drooling. The art is jaw dropping and making me extremely excited to get this in. Some KS put out great little updates, KD drops the "OMG Drool" every update.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 15:22:49


Post by: The Fragile Breath


 BlueDagger wrote:
On the updates, I'm simply effing drooling. The art is jaw dropping and making me extremely excited to get this in. Some KS put out great little updates, KD drops the "OMG Drool" every update.


This. A million times this. More and more, I realize how great of a decision it was to give Mr. Poots my money!

I'm already planning at least three different campaigns with Monster when I get it. By myself (shut it!) just my girlfriend and myself, and then the whole group of our friends, Should be unfathomably fun!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 15:24:34


Post by: cincydooley


I'll be doing a solo campaign as well, Fragile. No worries


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 15:27:50


Post by: Breotan


 Amaya wrote:
And now the concept art that has a "nigredo" head in a jar...with not so subtle facial characteristics. I'd call racism, but I'll just assume (based on the other work) that the creator is ignorant of western social norms.
Or you could just realize that you're seeing things that simply aren't there.
 The Fragile Breath wrote:
More and more, I realize how great of a decision it was to give Mr. Poots my money!
Thanks for reminding me how much money I threw at him. Nnnnnngh....



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 15:42:39


Post by: Bossk_Hogg


 Amaya wrote:
The Fragile Breath wrote:
 Amaya wrote:
To be honest, I don't feed creepy as much as I do just gross. It comes off as trying too hard. Very well sculpted though (as are all the models), but the baby face and super detailed genitalia and pooper are excessive.

40k daemons (aside from Nurgle) are just silly and overly grimdark hardcore.


Excessive? I'd disagree. What's wrong with a monster having proper anatomy?


Why is it necessary for a miniatures game?


Why are good sculpts or paint jobs necessary? It adds to the aesthetic. If you'd prefer to push around blank squares, there's the perfect KS for you.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/springboard/emperors-new-clothes

I'm personally tired of neutered werewolves and ken doll beastmen. It looks stupid to just have nothing there.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 15:46:47


Post by: silent25


This thread is getting awkward.....

And I'm not talking about the jar discussion.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:00:19


Post by: JudgeShamgar


silent25 wrote:
This thread is getting awkward.....

And I'm not talking about the jar discussion.



Awkward is kind of the bread and butter of KD.

Why didn't I think of that? Blank cards and board, make your own game, it can be anything you want, just give me money!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:03:37


Post by: silent25


 JudgeShamgar wrote:

Awkward is kind of the bread and butter of KD.



KD is disturbing. Solo play is awkward <_<;


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:08:01


Post by: JudgeShamgar


silent25 wrote:
 JudgeShamgar wrote:

Awkward is kind of the bread and butter of KD.



KD is disturbing. Solo play is awkward <_<;


Hey! I was going to run a solo play..........but not now.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:08:34


Post by: Alpharius


Hurrah - public warning time!

Please stay on topic, and polite!

Failure to stick to the rules of the forum can lead to a suspension (or varying length, depending upon your own individual history here on the site) of your posting privileges.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:16:15


Post by: Alfndrate


Can someone tell me who that sexy little mink in the all leather getup? I was a little too distracted by the awesome art that I glazed right over her.l


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:20:41


Post by: IdentifyZero


Nice updates


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:33:56


Post by: Buzzsaw


 Alfndrate wrote:
Can someone tell me who that sexy little mink in the all leather getup? I was a little too distracted by the awesome art that I glazed right over her.l


Do you mean her?
Spoiler:


That is the Regeneration Suit pin-up, which is included with the Gorm expansion (although I think you can also get her separately, if you want a resin version, as I think the Gorm version is almost certainly in plastic).


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:35:32


Post by: Alfndrate


Separately as in outside of the kickstarter? I'd have to save up my pennies...

Anyone know if Poots is going to be at AdeptiCon? I know he's at Pax East, but that's a lot closer to him than Chicago.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:38:44


Post by: Buzzsaw


 Alfndrate wrote:
Separately as in outside of the kickstarter? I'd have to save up my pennies...

Anyone know if Poots is going to be at AdeptiCon? I know he's at Pax East, but that's a lot closer to him than Chicago.


Oh, it's not a kickstarter exclusive model, if that is what you mean? I would presume that it will be as available (or not, as the case may be) as any of the other pin-up models after the general release.

I meant separately as in it can be purchased by itself, as opposed to only being available in the Gorm expansion. Like the human Dragon King, for example, which you can only get in that expansion.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:39:48


Post by: Alfndrate


 Buzzsaw wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
Separately as in outside of the kickstarter? I'd have to save up my pennies...

Anyone know if Poots is going to be at AdeptiCon? I know he's at Pax East, but that's a lot closer to him than Chicago.


Oh, it's not a kickstarter exclusive model, if that is what you mean? I would presume that it will be as available (or not, as the case may be) as any of the other pin-up models after the general release.


Okay, but it's not currently available. I'll have to keep my eye out for it's general release, thanks Buzz


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:49:12


Post by: cincydooley


I don't think he's going to be at Adepticon, sadly. Wish he was. I'd love to buy him a beer.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 16:51:25


Post by: Alfndrate


I wouldn't mind a demo

Nothing like making me regret my initial distaste of the game like learning I would actually enjoy it lol


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 17:06:24


Post by: redstripe




What's with the dismembered chick eating the giant ham hock? Did she just barbeque her own leg? She looks awfully proud of her ingenuity.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 17:07:58


Post by: cincydooley


Her other leg exists; Its not in the photo because they were working on positioning of it or some sort.

As to the ham hock; she's appaerntly an ode to some anime character that carried one.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 17:09:28


Post by: recruittons


She's Ayla from the Super Nintendo game Chrono Trigger. I absolutely had to get her. One of my favorite JRPGs ever.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 17:15:25


Post by: redstripe


 cincydooley wrote:
Her other leg exists; Its not in the photo because they were working on positioning of it or some sort.

As to the ham hock; she's appaerntly an ode to some anime character that carried one.


Ahh! That makes much more sense. I don't really see the resemblance to Ayla (aside from the ham hock) but lovely minis all around, regardless. I'll likely have to pick up a few of these if they ever see general release.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 17:24:22


Post by: DaveC


That particular miniature (Ayla) is a KS exclusive and won't get a general release the only way to get it now is to find someone willing to add it to their order, go to a convention that Adam is at or wait for ebay!!!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 17:25:02


Post by: recruittons





It's tough to see since the sculpt is incomplete, but she has the clothing-tail coming out, but draped over her ham-holding arm, and the outfit is nearly a dead match, even the cord/tail wrapping around her torso up to her neck then coming back down. There are differences, though, but side-by-side it looks pretty similar.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 17:31:59


Post by: 5deadly


Edited by Manchu


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 17:38:58


Post by: BlueDagger


wow I didn't even put 2 and 2 together on that that. Awesome homage!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 18:12:05


Post by: Pacific


 The Fragile Breath wrote:
 BlueDagger wrote:
On the updates, I'm simply effing drooling. The art is jaw dropping and making me extremely excited to get this in. Some KS put out great little updates, KD drops the "OMG Drool" every update.


This. A million times this. More and more, I realize how great of a decision it was to give Mr. Poots my money!
!


Completely agree with this sentiment. There were a couple of KS'es that managed to pass me by last year, just because the amount of them was kind of over-whelming. This is the one I lament missing the most..

Really hope that equivalents of everything go on sale beyond the KS, even if it means that it costs substantially more!

The level of creativity and imagination on show here is truly wonderful, and as big a fan of horror films, I enjoy being creeped out by some of it


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 18:18:21


Post by: Rolt


Wonderful update as always, so glad I pledged for this even if it has cost me a small fortune. A small fortune that seems to grow with every update, April 7th needs to come sooner, it needs to save me from myself.

I have to say this here is such a charming piece of artwork, kinda what this as a print or a T-shirt. Its very romantic yet considering the theme of KD you know both of these people are doomed, anything they fell for each other will be short and tragic, but that's exactly why the world of KD is so evocative.
Spoiler:

Really looking forward to the KD artbook (almost as much as the game itself) might take it to Lulu.com to get a physical copy printed up, hopefully Adam will be cool with me doing that.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 20:35:13


Post by: Piston Honda


 Rolt wrote:
Wonderful update as always, so glad I pledged for this even if it has cost me a small fortune. A small fortune that seems to grow with every update, April 7th needs to come sooner, it needs to save me from myself.

I have to say this here is such a charming piece of artwork, kinda what this as a print or a T-shirt. Its very romantic yet considering the theme of KD you know both of these people are doomed, anything they fell for each other will be short and tragic, but that's exactly why the world of KD is so evocative.
Spoiler:

Really looking forward to the KD artbook (almost as much as the game itself) might take it to Lulu.com to get a physical copy printed up, hopefully Adam will be cool with me doing that.


It is interesting that one of the most darkest, creepiest table top games out there has produced one of the most intimate, heart warming pieces of art.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 20:57:08


Post by: BlueDagger


 Piston Honda wrote:


It is interesting that one of the most darkest, creepiest table top games out there has produced one of the most intimate, heart warming pieces of art.



On the outside it's a disturbing horror story, but on the inside it is a story of humanity coming together in the face of utter horror.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/22 21:56:08


Post by: Elemental


 The Fragile Breath wrote:

I'm already planning at least three different campaigns with Monster when I get it. By myself (shut it!) just my girlfriend and myself, and then the whole group of our friends, Should be unfathomably fun!


It doesn't look like the sort of game I'd be interested in playing (I simply ordered a bunch of miniatures and the artbook), but I'd love to read other people's reports of their campaigns and the grisly / darkly amusing ends their settlements meet. Kind of like Let's Plays of Dwarf Fortress, which this seems very much like the board game equivalent of.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/03/23 05:01:26


Post by: The Fragile Breath


 Elemental wrote:
 The Fragile Breath wrote:

I'm already planning at least three different campaigns with Monster when I get it. By myself (shut it!) just my girlfriend and myself, and then the whole group of our friends, Should be unfathomably fun!


It doesn't look like the sort of game I'd be interested in playing (I simply ordered a bunch of miniatures and the artbook), but I'd love to read other people's reports of their campaigns and the grisly / darkly amusing ends their settlements meet. Kind of like Let's Plays of Dwarf Fortress, which this seems very much like the board game equivalent of.


Glad to hear I'm not the only one planning a solo campaign (my friends never do anything outside of the weekend), but I do very much plan on keeping track of hilarious/ridiculous/gruesome happenings, I could actually see a whole thread dedicated to such things being pure gold. Let's remember to do that, okay?

But with one particular friend, I know he's going to meet a lot of hilarious ends. Kind of like how in our DnD campaign, he's nearly gotten us killed by failing to throw a rock. On three separate occasions!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/04/10 14:37:16


Post by: Rolt


Update Time:
So if you can imagine things have been really crazy here! I've got some big news I can share once all the paper work is signed off etc etc...

I will be able to give the final word on fulfilling rewards from within the EU once I have a final box count and the final box weight and dimensions are set in stone. Until then I can't make any promises, just expect everything to be shipped from the states until you hear otherwise.

We are down to just 300 people that need to confirm their pledges! This is excellent news and is far less stragglers then I initially expected. Anna has been working diligently thru everyones emails and making sure she takes care of each backers issues as it comes up. Its a pretty exhausting workload and it would have been simply impossible to manage that + everything else all at once.

For the card stock, we will be going either purple or black core for the extra snap they provide. Its more costly, but its totally worth it! The custom dice included in the game will be made from urea, which has a much nicer feeling then acrylic dice. It was interesting learning about it, as its a much older way to manufacture dice but it results in a slight glass feeling die with way more heft.

I've been hustling all the artists like crazy! Trying to include as much art as humanly possible before the print deadline.

Before we go into art dump mode, on behalf of all the artists, Anna, and Joe whom has taken over orders and customer service, I want to thank you all so much for this opportunity. Everyone is throughly enjoying the work!

The full update is here on the KS page, loads of great images.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/450351?ref=email&show_token=aff82f01199c5b29

Enjoy.




Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/04/10 14:41:45


Post by: devilution


So sad I missed this. =( and it seems they wont take any pre orders.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/04/10 22:12:47


Post by: streetsamurai


so happy I decided to get the mesenger of the spiral path.

The render look incredibly good


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/06 18:04:25


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


If you backed Hell Dorado in order to pick up the twilight knight cross over

The Backer Kit based surveys are now going out, (they are from Kain (at) cyper-studios.com if you need to green light the email address)

BUT some folk won't get an email as Kai says

IMPORTANT NOTE: If you did NOT choose a Pledge Level and chose No Reward, you will not have received a Survey.

There is no option for me to send you one.

My suspicion is many of you that did so wanted just the Twilight Knight. You must choose a pledge level to receive the Twilight Knight. I apologize if this was not clear in the Update, FAQ, and Comments section. What you will have to do is contact me at kain@cipher-studios.com and tell me which pledge level you would like and I can add you to the BackerKit system.

You can then increase your pledge amount to meet the level and add the Twilight Knight. You will have to pay the extra for the pledge level through the BackerKit system. I would highly recommend the Mercenary Level so you can receive the KS exclusive Anne Hale and avoid paying $5.00 additional shipping if you choose the Lemure level.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 05:57:43


Post by: Dentry


Update #73



Took two things away from this picture:

1. Need to work out.
2. Am probably just going to basecoat and wash the four survivor models.

Get those sleeves ready, boys!
Kingdom Death wrote:There are 700+ cards in the core box so… storage and weight is something to consider. The box we are looking at is 20"x13"x5" and weighs around 12 lbs. This is HUGE by the way and we are trying to optimize it.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 06:02:04


Post by: Schmapdi


 Dentry wrote:


Get those sleeves ready, boys!
Kingdom Death wrote:There are 700+ cards in the core box so… storage and weight is something to consider. The box we are looking at is 20"x13"x5" and weighs around 12 lbs. This is HUGE by the way and we are trying to optimize it.



That is exactly why I backed out of getting the core game/expansions and just picked up a few of my favorite minis. Sheer logistics. I was mildly interested in the game but then I started tallying up the card count ... And I was like "where the hell am I going to put all that stuff?"

** Also - the four core survivors are probably the KD:M minis you'll see the most, game-wise! You should put EXTRA effort into painting them nicely.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 06:09:29


Post by: Dentry


Schmapdi wrote:
** Also - the four core survivors are probably the KD:M minis you'll see the most, game-wise! You should put EXTRA effort into painting them nicely.

You're probably right about that. Seeing that professional paint job, however, just leaves me thinking how much better they looked unpainted.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 09:07:55


Post by: Schmapdi


 Dentry wrote:
Schmapdi wrote:
** Also - the four core survivors are probably the KD:M minis you'll see the most, game-wise! You should put EXTRA effort into painting them nicely.

You're probably right about that. Seeing that professional paint job, however, just leaves me thinking how much better they looked unpainted.


lol - I dunno if I would have gone with the super-pale male survivor. But they look pretty darn nice to me.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 14:42:24


Post by: Alpharius


Schmapdi wrote:
 Dentry wrote:
Schmapdi wrote:
** Also - the four core survivors are probably the KD:M minis you'll see the most, game-wise! You should put EXTRA effort into painting them nicely.

You're probably right about that. Seeing that professional paint job, however, just leaves me thinking how much better they looked unpainted.


lol - I dunno if I would have gone with the super-pale male survivor. But they look pretty darn nice to me.


I agree, but in a world that appears to exist without sunlight, probably a pretty 'accurate' look for them!

And, I'm the exact opposite of the opinion above - I backed this due to the sheer amount of stuff I *would* be getting!

And I'm quite happy to hear that it is "A LOT" of stuff!

Of course, it does remind me a bit in size and scale of OGRE, and we all know what happened (and is happening still!) to that one...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 14:42:25


Post by: Bossk_Hogg


 Dentry wrote:
Schmapdi wrote:
** Also - the four core survivors are probably the KD:M minis you'll see the most, game-wise! You should put EXTRA effort into painting them nicely.

You're probably right about that. Seeing that professional paint job, however, just leaves me thinking how much better they looked unpainted.


Really? Those look like pretty awesome paint jobs to me.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 15:32:39


Post by: Alpharius


There was a lot more to that update than just painted figures!

We have dice!
Update #73 · May 17, 2013 · 56 comments



I have returned from china! The trip was a fantastical whirlwind with so much to see and do. All the food I was treated to was excellent. I also saw a giant duck!

As soon as things are wrapped up and I can ensure everything is in its place I will be sharing manufacturing details.

Boxed Game & Card Components
Everything is going well on this front, our print deadline looms ever menacingly overhead and all of the artists have been cranking out amazing piece of art after the next for it. I've narrowed down the card stock choice between a snappy grey core used for poker cards and a black core which might be too a little too thick and make storage an issue. I've decided against the purple core which had great memory but the card felt too physically thin for my personal tastes. There are 700+ cards in the core box so… storage and weight is something to consider. The box we are looking at is 20"x13"x5" and weighs around 12 lbs. This is HUGE by the way and we are trying to optimize it.

Dice
I got the samples of the ten sided dice today! These caused me so much anguish and I am pleased on how they finally turned out. I spoke to A LOT of dice companies and learned quite a bit about dice making techniques and the different processes people were using. Spheres and curved lines are generally easy to make on dice, its edges, especially tapered edges where things get really difficult. The engraving needs to be sturdy enough so the small edges don't break in the tumbling process so usually there is a size limit on how small a hard corner or small detail can be. The company I choose in the end actually engraves at a slight angle which allows them to get much shaper edges, which was essential since the KD font has tapered tails. I also opted for making the dice in urea instead of acrylic as it has more heft and has that old school dice rolling sound on a table. As far as mass production ready dice go, I feel these are as premium as we can get. The next step up for dice is CNC machining or laser engraving the surface of each die then hand painting it. I would love to make more "art" dice this way in the future. But I wanted to start with a strong set of simple and highly readable dice in the core game.








* painted by Scott Hockley



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 16:39:44


Post by: spiralingcadaver


All still really nice looking, and the painted minis show some pretty cool extra detail.

I'm a bit surprised by some of the colors, though. In particular, the lion knight and the painted minis are way more colorful than I was expecting. The images during the campaign were decidedly in pretty narrow spectrums, each, compared to some more colorful stuff, here.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 16:45:13


Post by: Pacific


Bah.. of all the Kickstarters I have missed, this is the one that I regret the most..

The value of the KD stuff has already started to escalate on auction sites - hopefully a fair proportion will make it to the general market at some point!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 17:34:55


Post by: DaveC


700 cards! I got 160 2"x 2" card sleeves thinking that would be enough looks like I need to order more!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 17:38:24


Post by: Absolutionis


Hah, if there re 700+ cards for the core set alone, those of us that ordered beyond just the boxed set will have well over a thousand little card things to keep track of.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 17:48:49


Post by: Alpharius


 DaveC wrote:
700 cards! I got 160 2"x 2" card sleeves thinking that would be enough looks like I need to order more!


Dave,

1) Where'd you get them from?
2) Is that the confirmed 'official' card size? I missed that one...

Thanks!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 17:53:37


Post by: DaveC


 Alpharius wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
700 cards! I got 160 2"x 2" card sleeves thinking that would be enough looks like I need to order more!


Dave,

1) Where'd you get them from?
2) Is that the confirmed 'official' card size? I missed that one...

Thanks!


Confirmed in the latest update comments:


Creator Kingdom Death about 12 hours ago

there are two game card sizes : 2"x2" and 2.25" x 3.5" ( the same size as the art cards in the current resin boxes ) dominion card sleeves seem to fit them nicely i think yu-gi-oh sized ones do too. magic card sleeves are too big tho


I got the Swanpanasia 2"x2" here http://www.boardgameextras.co.uk/item.php?id=1986&name=Swan+Card+Sleeves:+52x52+mm+-160+per+pack&cat=291&sub_cat=172#.UZZt68rhJ8E these are the difficult ones to get these aren't quite 2"x2" they are a tiny bit bigger but that's as close as I've found.

the other size is just regular USA sleeves http://www.boardgameextras.co.uk/item.php?id=996&name=50+Premium+USA+Card+Sleeves+%2856+MM+X+87+MM%29&cat=48&sub_cat=41#.UZZufMrhJ8E


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 18:13:14


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Did the number of cards go up drastically or something?

I always assumed there would be a bunch of cards, but 700? And that's just in the base game!

Admittedly that's across a multitude of different deck types, but still! Between myself and my brother we've got all the gameplay expansions coming too! I don't think these cards are going to get sleeved in the end.

That paint job also reminds me that I can't paint worth crap. Nice. Way to stick it to me!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 18:44:39


Post by: devilution


2" x 2" is a weird card size. That is going to require custom made sleeves.

The people that ordered all expansions are going to have allot of cards...

The art and sculpts are amazing... I wonder if they are planning on releasing things to the public and if they will expand the game even more.

I think they got a real winner product with KD:Monster :-)


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/17 22:47:13


Post by: Alpharius


 devilution wrote:
2" x 2" is a weird card size. That is going to require custom made sleeves.

The people that ordered all expansions are going to have allot of cards...


That's what I was thinking too, which is why I was wondering where Dave had ordered his from!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 03:20:38


Post by: Dentry


Hmm. Looking closer at the Lion Knight artwork, does anyone else see it and think "Pimp Slap!" ?

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Really? Those look like pretty awesome paint jobs to me.

The quality is fine and kudos to the artist for making them look good. But the eyes look kinda derp to me. So seeing as a professional and, more importantly, skilled painter did that and the eyes still came out derpy, then what hope have I to paint non-derpy eyes?! There is no hope! It's hopeless!

Plus I'm thinking that some kind of basic (read: low skill requirement) paint job to get them to look like statues may be a nice alternative.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 04:22:40


Post by: Absolutionis


To be fair, most of us already bought into the base game. These professional paintjobs seem unnecessary and superfluous for these Kickstarter campaigns.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 09:30:58


Post by: Breotan


 Absolutionis wrote:
To be fair, most of us already bought into the base game. These professional paintjobs seem unnecessary and superfluous for these Kickstarter campaigns.
Never thought I'd see a complaint about the use of professional painting in a kickstarter project. Dakka never ceases to amaze.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 11:17:18


Post by: Starweaver


I agree breotan.
And keep in mind, the game will probably be sold after the kickstarter as well, so having nice pictures of the models being well painted may very well help the sales after the kickstarter.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 11:32:15


Post by: Alpharius


Dakka Dakka is a collection of 72K plus unique individuals.

Expect everything.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 11:42:11


Post by: devilution


I find those painted sculpts to be inspirational !

I really don't understand the logic lol, if you want to display a product, do you show of the best pieces or the worst?

I hope you never get hold of an Rackham Confrontation catalogue, those would kill you :(


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 12:04:47


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I think KD have got this just about perfect

fist showing the unpainted figures (so I can come up with an idea of what I'd do with them, and so I can see any sculpted detail)

then show some outstandingly well painted examples to show how great they can look

If painted examples were all that were shown you're never certain what's detail on the sculpt and what's expert freehand painting

and I also find it a lot harder to think of what i'd do if the first I see of a mini is an uber-paintjob, I'm likely to just end up trying to replicate it (and failing)


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 15:56:58


Post by: KOVAV


Well, I just found this. I love a game of Horror VS Hotness.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 17:08:49


Post by: Alpharius


KOVAV wrote:
Well, I just found this. I love a game of Horror VS Hotness.


That's a pretty good summary actually - well done!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 18:04:02


Post by: Marrak


 Alpharius wrote:
There was a lot more to that update than just painted figures!

We have dice!
Update #73 · May 17, 2013 · 56 comments



I have returned from china! The trip was a fantastical whirlwind with so much to see and do. All the food I was treated to was excellent. I also saw a giant duck!

As soon as things are wrapped up and I can ensure everything is in its place I will be sharing manufacturing details.

Boxed Game & Card Components
Everything is going well on this front, our print deadline looms ever menacingly overhead and all of the artists have been cranking out amazing piece of art after the next for it. I've narrowed down the card stock choice between a snappy grey core used for poker cards and a black core which might be too a little too thick and make storage an issue. I've decided against the purple core which had great memory but the card felt too physically thin for my personal tastes. There are 700+ cards in the core box so… storage and weight is something to consider. The box we are looking at is 20"x13"x5" and weighs around 12 lbs. This is HUGE by the way and we are trying to optimize it.

Dice
I got the samples of the ten sided dice today! These caused me so much anguish and I am pleased on how they finally turned out. I spoke to A LOT of dice companies and learned quite a bit about dice making techniques and the different processes people were using. Spheres and curved lines are generally easy to make on dice, its edges, especially tapered edges where things get really difficult. The engraving needs to be sturdy enough so the small edges don't break in the tumbling process so usually there is a size limit on how small a hard corner or small detail can be. The company I choose in the end actually engraves at a slight angle which allows them to get much shaper edges, which was essential since the KD font has tapered tails. I also opted for making the dice in urea instead of acrylic as it has more heft and has that old school dice rolling sound on a table. As far as mass production ready dice go, I feel these are as premium as we can get. The next step up for dice is CNC machining or laser engraving the surface of each die then hand painting it. I would love to make more "art" dice this way in the future. But I wanted to start with a strong set of simple and highly readable dice in the core game.








* painted by Scott Hockley



Okay, the picture titled web kings curse is probably one of the creepiest and most tragic pieces of art I've seen for this world so far. What the heck is happening to that guy?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/18 21:28:10


Post by: Barzam


Looks to me like he's becoming one of the King's Men. So I guess that means their armor is a living thing. Creepy.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/19 21:41:55


Post by: Dentry


 Breotan wrote:
 Absolutionis wrote:
To be fair, most of us already bought into the base game. These professional paintjobs seem unnecessary and superfluous for these Kickstarter campaigns.
Never thought I'd see a complaint about the use of professional painting in a kickstarter project. Dakka never ceases to amaze.

Is it really a complaint? I think you're reading too much into it.

"I think painted miniatures are unnecessary." --- vs --- "I don't like that they showed painted miniatures. / They shouldn't show painted miniatures."


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/20 05:22:29


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


The more I look at that lion knight picture, the more I'm reminded of the old Final Fantasy/ Dragon Quest illustrations that used to be in game manuals back when those were actually a thing.

Very late 80s/ early 90s video game artwork.

I really hope Poots considers doing an actual physical art book down the line. I know we're all getting the digital one, but I want a big heavy hardcover book full of all the stuff that's going to get made for the 700+ cards we're going to get.

I also have to agree with Barzam- it does look like the armor is slowly enveloping the dude. The King's curse brings about the King's men? Which King? Dragon? Lantern? Sun? Burger?



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/20 07:37:00


Post by: Barzam


You know, looking at that picture again and looking back at what it included in the game, I'm pretty certain that isn't one of the The King's Men, that's The King's Hand! If I remember correctly, the King's Hand is pretty much supposed to be his representative and is responsible for bringing new survivors to the settlements. I guess survivors can be conscripted into the King's service as his Hand. That'll make for an interesting mechanic if it becomes a gameplay feature.

And Tamburlaine, I can totally see what you're saying. It does remind me of some of that old Squaresoft artwork you'd see in manuals or Nintendo Power posters back in the day. Alternatively, they also kind of remind me of those odd colored pages manga sometimes have. The Web Hunt Phase (the one with the survivors camped out) really has a Berserk vibe to it.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/20 09:07:10


Post by: devilution


The King's Men / King's Hand , who is their king? Is it the dragon king or another unknown king?

He should release a book with all the lore lol :p


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/20 18:43:08


Post by: Barzam


I'm inclined to say that it's THE King. The huge one that looks like it's made out of human body parts. He was one of the final major gameplay add-ons.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/20 19:15:17


Post by: grefven


 Barzam wrote:
I'm inclined to say that it's THE King. The huge one that looks like it's made out of human body parts. He was one of the final major gameplay add-ons.


Eehh.. Elvis?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/20 19:19:14


Post by: Absolutionis


This guy is "The King":

Spoiler:


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/20 21:14:57


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Huh.

Never noticed that lantern festival expansion is going to include a handbook. Did any of the other expansions come with books?

I hope it's got all kinds of extra artwork in it!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/20 21:30:19


Post by: devilution


Oh wow, that's a weird one


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/21 00:48:10


Post by: Tannhauser42


Sadly, however, they won't be including the alternative pin-up version of the King that I had suggested, although Adam did like the idea:
Spoiler:


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/22 07:39:14


Post by: cgage00


Well that last update has made me think twice about getting into this game. Anything with made in china slapped on it I won't spend my money on. Sadly it is making it harder and harder to play anything haha


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/22 14:50:43


Post by: Sway


 cgage00 wrote:
Well that last update has made me think twice about getting into this game. Anything with made in china slapped on it I won't spend my money on. Sadly it is making it harder and harder to play anything haha

Does anybody except Games Workshop (and even they get SOME stuff from Chine) make their miniatures outside of China?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/22 15:06:02


Post by: Alfndrate


Sway wrote:
 cgage00 wrote:
Well that last update has made me think twice about getting into this game. Anything with made in china slapped on it I won't spend my money on. Sadly it is making it harder and harder to play anything haha

Does anybody except Games Workshop (and even they get SOME stuff from Chine) make their miniatures outside of China?


On the Lamb Games uses boxes, cards, bases, and miniatures all made in the good ole US of A


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/22 15:47:22


Post by: Grot 6


Can someone point me in the direction of how to paint that sort of style?

I've seen a Black and White color scheme of that sort, but I don't recall where it was at. IIRC, it was a dawn of the dead style game, and the figures had a horror movie Black and White motiff to the figures.

I've also remember seeing a GW diorama with something like a wizard or something.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/22 17:19:24


Post by: RiTides


Tons of companies cast elsewhere... Spartan and Hawk Wargames have their resin casts done in the UK.

Hard plastic is much more likely to be made in China, of course.

Part of the reason I am so interested in Trollforged is the intermediate quantity casting they may be able to provide, not needing to source from China.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/23 02:29:58


Post by: cincydooley


 cgage00 wrote:
Well that last update has made me think twice about getting into this game. Anything with made in china slapped on it I won't spend my money on. Sadly it is making it harder and harder to play anything haha


Maybe I'm missing it. What says made in china?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/23 02:37:08


Post by: Absolutionis


 cincydooley wrote:
 cgage00 wrote:
Well that last update has made me think twice about getting into this game. Anything with made in china slapped on it I won't spend my money on. Sadly it is making it harder and harder to play anything haha


Maybe I'm missing it. What says made in china?
Poots visited China recently in order to survey for KD:M's production.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/23 02:47:27


Post by: cincydooley


 Absolutionis wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 cgage00 wrote:
Well that last update has made me think twice about getting into this game. Anything with made in china slapped on it I won't spend my money on. Sadly it is making it harder and harder to play anything haha


Maybe I'm missing it. What says made in china?
Poots visited China recently in order to survey for KD:M's production.


Ahh. I'm sure that's for the plastics or printing. No way it's for the resin castin, though from my experience that wouldn't be a bad thing.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/23 02:50:28


Post by: Absolutionis


Is there a full run-down of what parts will be "plastic" and what parts will be "resin"?

I was assuming all the 'official' game pieces/expansion models would be plastic or some plastic-hybrid.

The only resin models will be the Twilight Knight, White Speaker, and the optional pinups, correct?

EDIT: Sorry, the term "pinups" escaped me.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/23 03:26:33


Post by: cincydooley


I believe all of the game pieces will be plastic.

You could also get the pinups in plastic as an option.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
"Slutgirls". Yikes. That's awfully harsh.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/24 02:46:14


Post by: AAndrykew


I just can't believe that I missed the KS on this one :( . Really want to play this. It looks pretty solid as a game and I love the minis.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/24 16:54:17


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


Well I went in "big" on this KS spending, about $400, mostly because it is all about "campaign" gameplay, while every other system has seemingly abandoned this once awesome game-mode. Since stuff like a Warhammer Quest reboot seem MIA, I kinda hope this one will scratch that itch.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/24 17:51:52


Post by: Alpharius


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Well I went in "big" on this KS spending, about $400, mostly because it is all about "campaign" gameplay, while every other system has seemingly abandoned this once awesome game-mode. Since stuff like a Warhammer Quest reboot seem MIA, I kinda hope this one will scratch that itch.


If that is considered 'big' I don't know what to call my pledge amount... other than "crazy" and/or "irresponsible"?

I couldn't resist though!

But I went large on this one for many of the reasons you listed as well!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/24 17:53:38


Post by: recruittons


I've only spent more on one other KS project. Imbrian Arts took $474 of my dollars away and is the topmost of my pledges. KD:M came away in second place with a pledge of $336. I am not a wealthy man, and this is why.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/24 18:02:29


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I think when all was said and done I'd pledged 300 to get the Herald of Death qualification, which is just about the most I've ever spent on any kind of hobby purchase at one time. Now over the years, I'm sure I've spent THOUSANDS on Gundams of various shapes and sizes, but never in one big massive purchase.

When I add in my brother's pledge on top of what I've already got.. then things start to creep on up there...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/24 18:15:29


Post by: cincydooley


I'm with Alph. Spent more than I probalby should have, but....so nervous about availability that I wanted to ensure I got all the gameplay stuff.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I think this is going to end up being my, "wife is ignoring me because she's grading papers" game.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/24 18:49:05


Post by: endtransmission


Are you sure it's not going to be the "My wife is ignoring me because I've spent all our money on a board game" game? I'm pretty sure that'll be what happens in our house when it turns up


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/24 19:34:26


Post by: Tannhauser42


For me, it will be both of those things. I spent too much on toys AND she's grading papers.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 17:38:44


Post by: Dentry


Stumbled across these pictures today and don't remember ever seeing them before. Anyone encountered them before or have any idea who they might be or what purpose they serve?





Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 17:59:54


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Never seen those either.

Where'd you stumble across them?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 18:15:47


Post by: greywulf


Lot of very delicate parts on those, especially the naked scholar with all the laces and chains on the book, but also the backing of the chair. I've been super impressed always with the amount of finery in the 32mm figs Kingdom Death produces, but if these are also 32mm, it would blow my mind.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 18:17:26


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


The top one looks like a concept/design for a different 'Pinup' version of the preacher (Adam lost the master for the original pinup preacher, and eventually had it resculpted, this could have been a different potentical direction to take it)

Actual pinup preacher & art (note book/glasses)




or maybe a pinup of the archivist class associated with the twilight knight order (again it would fit with the books)

no idea on the bottom one though


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 21:17:19


Post by: cincydooley


So those need to be made


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 21:18:51


Post by: Schmapdi


 cincydooley wrote:
Those sooo need to be made


Fixed for proper emphasis.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 21:28:14


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Alpharius wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Well I went in "big" on this KS spending, about $400, mostly because it is all about "campaign" gameplay, while every other system has seemingly abandoned this once awesome game-mode. Since stuff like a Warhammer Quest reboot seem MIA, I kinda hope this one will scratch that itch.


If that is considered 'big' I don't know what to call my pledge amount... other than "crazy" and/or "irresponsible"?

I couldn't resist though!

But I went large on this one for many of the reasons you listed as well!


Well, I call that "big" as this game really is JUST a board-game. I separate my mental scale when talking about table-top-miniatures. I've thrown $500 at a system in one go, with the understanding that it is just a start-up cost... where as something like KD:M, better feel COMPLETE with $400 worth of expansions, etc... It is just a board-game, albeit one with promise.

Its value to me is in its potential as a self-run emergent-narrative RPG-esque campaign. I can't find any friends interested in dm'ing any major RPG, but i've got a queue of people who want to run a KD:M campaign.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 22:34:36


Post by: Krinsath


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Its value to me is in its potential as a self-run emergent-narrative RPG-esque campaign. I can't find any friends interested in dm'ing any major RPG, but i've got a queue of people who want to run a KD:M campaign.


As someone who put in far more than I planned to when I saw it ( ), I can say this is the major reason why. I love RPGs, but being the DM is a lot of work, and talking any of the friends I do have locally who play games (a very small subset of friends) to sit down and plan one out and agree on a system would be...troublesome.

Taking a bunch of parts to say "here, put together a guy/girl you think looks cool" and then being able to run through it together might even snare some of my non-gaming friends into giving it a try. Guess we'll know for sure this time next year!

Also, I too would like to know if those two pictures are concept art from before the KS or if that's maybe new things that are being worked on. They both look pretty ace in the KD aesthetic.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/26 22:43:07


Post by: spiralingcadaver


Agreed. I love DM-ing, but I don't think my players really get how much prep work goes into it, and there are times when I just want to play something loosely narrative instead of needing to plan and improvise 3+ hours worth of story.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/27 00:03:02


Post by: Dentry


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Never seen those either.

Where'd you stumble across them?

Found it here on Hector Moran's site.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The top one looks like a concept/design for a different 'Pinup' version of the preacher (Adam lost the master for the original pinup preacher, and eventually had it resculpted, this could have been a different potentical direction to take it)

Actual pinup preacher & art (note book/glasses)

[snip]

or maybe a pinup of the archivist class associated with the twilight knight order (again it would fit with the books)

no idea on the bottom one though

I definitely believe they're concept work but probably for things we haven't seen. The first thing that came to mind was one of the Lion Knight's girls. Especially when I saw the picture linked below. It could the a render of the preacher pin-up, though. In any case, we definitely need the opportunity to toss money at Adam again.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/27 00:37:30


Post by: Buzzsaw


 Dentry wrote:

Found it here on Hector Moran's site.


Thanks for the link! I see he also has a number of Soda Pop works that haven't made it onto his dA account yet.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/28 17:22:54


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Hot from Adam on the KS comments,

the first test of hit location dice



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/28 17:32:29


Post by: Alpharius


Good to see this one moving along, but I'd love to see the more 'important' game components in 'real life', like models and gameboards and such!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/28 21:25:29


Post by: Krinsath


 Alpharius wrote:
Good to see this one moving along, but I'd love to see the more 'important' game components in 'real life', like models and gameboards and such!


Did you, as a wargamer, really just imply that the dice are NOT that important?! THEY'LL HEAR YOU, YOU FOOL! Looks like someone is rolling 12s for his morale checks for a while and nothing but 1s for his saving throws (the dice equivalent of sleeping on the couch).

The dice look very nice and are clearly one of the keystone portions of the gaming experience. Nobody would ever imply otherwise, especially of the dice being rolled for To-Hit....


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/28 21:53:18


Post by: Alpharius


I like nice dice, but I've been able to resist the Wargamer Dice pr0n thing... so far!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/28 21:59:20


Post by: Absolutionis


The stylized hit-location dice are nice.

But what is that oval icon? A ring? A tiara?

"The Lion slashes at you with ferocity and smashes your tiara to the floor. You are no longer a pretty princess."

"The 20-ft-tall Dragon King bites at your left ring finger and carefully removes your ring with his razor-sharp bloodstained teeth. You are no longer married."


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/28 22:18:12


Post by: spiralingcadaver


Yeah, that one is pretty confusing...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/28 22:18:19


Post by: recruittons


I believe that is the waist item location marker. It does look really ring-like, though


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/29 01:35:28


Post by: cincydooley


It's a bow tie of course.

Wait. That whole waist idea is probably right.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/29 03:28:54


Post by: Schmapdi


It took me a long time to "see" the torso. It looked like a smashed companion cube to me. Though I did just finish Portal 2 the other day, so maybe that's why.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/29 05:03:06


Post by: Breotan


I also think it's a torso. No head, hands, or hips. Just the torso with some sort of harness & ring strapped on.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/05/29 06:52:47


Post by: Ehsteve


*rolls to get hit*

"Dear god he hit me square in the BELT!"

So there's Head, Torso, Waist, Foot, Hand with a double up on Hands

EDIT: This looks to be the layout



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 10:35:58


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Big new update on the KS can be found here

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/518917?ref=activity

The standout bit is the Slender Man



Sculpted Slender Man
When the Slender Man concept art was revealed, Jacques-Alexandre Gillois instantly sent me a message the simply said. Let me sculpt this one! We finished up the sculpting on schedule and here are the photos of Jacques inspired sculpt.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 10:43:55


Post by: BrookM


I like where this is going and I'm glad we went all in on this one!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 13:01:33


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I worry as to how stable that Slender Man is.

Since, well... Slender Man is slender.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 13:02:47


Post by: BrookM


Yeah, them legs are spindly, but at least two of those thorn things are also touching the base, that's a wee bit of extra support at least.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 14:22:52


Post by: Buzzsaw


And now I regret not getting more Lantern Armor...



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 14:43:57


Post by: Barzam


I'm loving the new design for the Lantern Armor. Very Monster Hunter. Slenderman looks very good, too. Almost makes me wish I'd pledged for him, but then I remember how much stuff I'll be getting and having to paint.

That artwork in the latest update though, every time I see new artwork for this, it makes me hope more and more that we get a proper artbook and it also makes me wish we could get a proper comic. The art reminds me so damn much of Berserk.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 15:34:43


Post by: cincydooley


+1 to the hardcover artbook.

I'd pay $50 for it no questions asked.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 19:53:33


Post by: Guildsman


Almost fainted when I got the email this morning. So glad I pledged for the slender man. He might be the best model I've ever seen, from any company. Also, I certainly hope that armor set booster packs will be available in the future, especially if they all look as nice as the lantern armor!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 21:20:38


Post by: RogueRegault


Personally the best part of the update to me is "US based board-printer".

Anyone who pledged on Sedition Wars knows how disappointing thin boards can be.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 21:33:59


Post by: cincydooley


RogueRegault wrote:
Personally the best part of the update to me is "US based board-printer".

Anyone who pledged on Sedition Wars knows how disappointing thin boards can be.


Thin boards had nothing to do with it. The problem was that they didn't sit In the humidity controlled storage room while they dried.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 22:12:56


Post by: plastictrees


Just realised that I hadn't finalised my pledge yet after getting Anna to open it up again. Hopefully that's not an issue...

I really want to go all in...but I have no idea when I will ever be able to play the base game let alone all the expansions.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/06/24 22:18:02


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I too would gladly pay for an actual art book. Especially if it ends up having stuff that doesn't actually make it into the game either, like concepts and early sketches.

Or I'd just take Marasai's.

That lantern armor gives me a Berserk vibe more than Monster Hunter. Maybe the female on is more MonHun style, but the male one totally reminds me of armor from the Golden Age of the Hawks. Especially with Guts' Dragon Slayer over his shoulder.

Maybe Poots is slowly siphoning away Miura's awesomeness since all Miura wants to do is sit around and play Idol Master?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/07/08 04:03:05


Post by: Dentry


Hector Moran posted a tutorial of sorts on his DeviantArt page. It's an interesting look at some of the work that goes into a KD miniature.

Might not be considered work safe. I 'unno.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/07/08 13:44:18


Post by: Krinsath


Thanks for sharing that Dentry! Really interesting and Allison is looking great as well.

5 months until December! Though for some reason, in defiance of the laws of physics, that seems to get further away each time a bit of news comes out...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/07/08 14:24:30


Post by: RoninXiC


Thanks for the link. Stunning render/minuature.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/07/08 20:38:47


Post by: Wehrkind


Great link! I am so far from having time to learn 3D sculpting it isn't even funny, but that sort of thing is still terribly interesting!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/07/26 10:53:48


Post by: greywulf


Did we see this one yet from Hector Moran?

Spoiler:


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/07/26 16:55:37


Post by: DaveC


small snippet from the KS comments


Creator Kingdom Death about 11 hours ago

@num, Savior Super mode will not work in monster. The rapid aging is a feature of her extended character in the next Kingdom Death game, which focuses on the "hero" level humans, instead of the normal ones in KD:M.


So the Saviors are part of KD:Heroes and presumably will appear in plastic then (all things going to plan let's not get ahead of ourselves )


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/07/26 17:27:08


Post by: cincydooley


This whole universe makes my pants happy.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/10 06:20:51


Post by: Dentry


Already posted in the other thread, but updating here as well.

Update #75 (Aug 5th)
Schedule & Plastic Manufacturing Update
Nothing new to report on plastic manufacturing yet. Still collecting samples so I can have a nice little show and tell for an update. Initially I was planning for this to be mid august, but it might slip to end of august. In september I will be pulling the trigger on production, so if we are facing any delays I will know by then.

Shipping Update
So far we have sat down in meetings with, USPS, DHL and Fedex. Things are looking much brighter there then I had anticipated. Fedex offers a service that we are currently discussing in greater detail, wherein packages would be picked up and then shipped from a single international point of origin [via comments: It would be EU based, as the majority if international backers are in the EU]. What customs taxes people can expect from shipping within Europe using this method still remains to be seen but it's a promising option. The suit & tie fedex reps, were not prepared for our warehouse and the hoards of tiny men that presented them. They kept talking about how different it was for them.

Game Dev Update
After much agonizing, we decided on the final dimensions of the game book. It will be 11"x8.5" landscape format. There were many design considerations that went into this, but here are the ones that really matter to us. Wide format art looks way more awesome! By going landscape we make the book a little easier to fit on a busy table with lots of gaming pieces. Finally, for future online content we really wanted consistent look and feel to be possible from anyone's home printer.





Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/13 11:46:45


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Three new KD minis have shown up on CMON

(they're special gencon releases, probably coming to the KD webstore later)







these are the names, not sure which image is linked to which

KD039 Twilight Knight - Relic Knight
KD038 Twilight Knight - Order Knight
KD040 Twilight Knight - Deserter


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/13 12:42:17


Post by: Alfndrate


Any prices on those? Ya know, asking for a friend...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/13 13:29:51


Post by: greywulf


Great catch Orlando. Higher quality pics can be found here:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/articles/7850-cmon-gen-con-news-part-3!#new_comment


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/13 13:38:54


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Alfndrate wrote:
Any prices on those? Ya know, asking for a friend...


No idea on prices, but probably standard KD 'human' cost so around $25 each

Note you'd need to get in fast to get them as they only have 25 of each at the show, first come first served (hopefully nobody will be allowed to buy 10 of each!)

Adam has now posted that they will be up in the KD store later (probably a week or so after Gencon) if you/your friend misses them


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/13 13:40:03


Post by: Alfndrate


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
Any prices on those? Ya know, asking for a friend...


No idea on prices, but probably standard KD 'human' cost so around $25 each

Note you'd need to get in fast to get them as they only have 25 of each at the show, first come first served (hopefully nobody will be allowed to buy 10 of each!)

Adam has now posted that they will be up in the KD store later (probably a week or so after Gencon) if you/your friend misses them

Well, I'll be in my friend will be in the exhibitor's hall waiting for the doors to open


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/13 13:44:31


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


That's the spirit,

Good luck!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/13 13:45:05


Post by: Alfndrate


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
That's the spirit,

Good luck!

At 25 bucks though I really only want that first image... The others are cool, but that first one looks awesome...


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/17 13:54:10


Post by: Sinful Hero


Try also have the Chosen there as well. Managed to pick up a Relic knight he other day- I didn't see any of the others.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/21 10:26:01


Post by: DaveC


The 3 new Twilight Knights and Dung Beetle Knight are now up on the Kingdom Death webstore in limited numbers.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/21 10:51:20


Post by: Fafnir


And here I am, moving in the next week or so, without a mailing address until Saturday.

It's probably in my best interests, really.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/21 10:52:59


Post by: shamikebab


Bought the order and relic knight


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/21 11:04:14


Post by: gohkm


Surprisingly, nothing in this batch interests me. I'll wait for the next KD sculpts.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/21 11:21:33


Post by: KoganStyle


Other than the deserter, nothing interested me either. although if the rumours of a final stock of Forsakers turns out to be true, then I will be all over that! Webstroe is having major problems so we can't say what is actually available right now


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/21 12:24:44


Post by: Alpharius


Do these new miniatures have a place and/or rules in the upcoming KD: M game too?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/21 12:53:29


Post by: DaveC


No only the Dung Beetle knight will feature in KD:M the others twilight knights and saviours are more likely to feature in the second game which is going to be hero based. there are no game rules for them. That's why I'm not buying the resins I'll take my chances on them appearing later in plastic with game rules for them. I even passed up on illuminated lady for the same reason as apparently she is only part of a larger monster


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/21 13:12:05


Post by: KoganStyle


The Dung Bettle on offer here won't have any of the KD:M rules included with it.

Apparently there is a big problem with the webstrore today, but if you use the mobile store you can get access to all the minis, including the forsaker! got mine that way, very happy!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/22 09:15:21


Post by: Dentry


Ah so Adam ended up going forward with it after all. Was hoping we'd have shots of the models in the plastic he ended up going with by now.

 DaveC wrote:
No only the Dung Beetle knight will feature in KD:M the others twilight knights and saviours are more likely to feature in the second game which is going to be hero based.

That begs the question if we'll see these new models (and other existing figures) make an appearance in any future Kickstarter Adam might have for Kingdom Death: Heroes. Probably.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/08/22 09:27:27


Post by: Makaleth


Got all of the twilight knights, even if they cannot be used in game I have a small army of KD resins to continue.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/03 11:50:07


Post by: Alpharius


Huh!

Surprise Update! - Kingdom Death x Wrath of Kings Crossover!
Update #76 · Sep 3, 2013 · 16 comments

( We have a very crucial week here at KD and will be back to update everyone with our monthly progress in 1 week. Thank you very much for your understanding. )

Hello Everyone!

Today I have something a little special to share. My friends at CMON lent us a hand getting the word out about our campaign and it's time to return the favor! They have been hard at work on Wrath of Kings for the past few years. Working with some of the best ex-Rackham/Confrontation talents to bring their unique vision of fast paced skirmish to life. Personally, I am a fan of the Hardross who have this neat Zora ( yes from zelda ) meets marine knight vibe.

Of course… I could not resist the temptation for a special miniature! As a hobby community kickstarter has really helped us support new projects and ideas and I just love the collaborations it brings forth.

I worked with CMON and our talented Lokman to create a special Wrath of Kings version of the female Twilight Knight. Their writing team even put together a little fiction for her!



“Dame Allison, Twilight Knight Sail far enough from the Arikanian mainland, and the mists close in. Chronometers fail, compasses spin, and finding the sun is nigh impossible. Yet, there are lands beyond. Ancient King Arikan himself made the journey, and, on very rare occasion, ships from foreign lands appear on Arikanian shores. The city of Nareh sits on Arikania’s northern shore, beyond Telloria in the hinterlands as yet unclaimed by a Scion nation. Fishermen and traders from this small community often find debris, bodies, and even shipwrecks along the northern coasts. Some have made a business of scavenging the debris. But, perhaps once or twice in a generation, they find a survivor.

Dame Allison hails from a land where the realm of humankind is on the brink of extinction. She belongs to a mysterious order, charged with keeping and defending the devastated kingdom’s accumulated knowledge. In their few remaining archives were vaguely detailed legends of Ancient King Arikan’s adventures, and she attempted to retrace his journey in the hopes of finding an unspoiled human land, where she might gather allies and reinforcements. In this, she has succeeded, but, alas, is now trapped on Arikania, and embroiled in its own troubles. Her diplomatic efforts have as yet yielded no fruit.

She owes no allegiance to any Scion nation, but she offers her services to any side that can meet her price. Sometimes she needs gold, sometimes archive access, and sometimes she sees a wrong that needs righting. In battle she is most at home on the front line. Her strange training and enhancements are unknown in Arikania. Magic assaults slide off her, and her light armor gives her the mobility to avoid even the mightiest blows.“

This limited edition miniature comes with rules for Wrath of Kings and is available with your Wrath of Kings kickstarter pledge. She will not include any rules for Kingdom Death, but I totally reserve the right to post unofficial rules sometime in the future once both games have been released into the wilds!



Thanks everyone, and thank you CMON again for believing in Kingdom Death when it was just a tiny range with a pair of resin miniatures!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/03 13:02:56


Post by: Sinful Hero


Not too fond of her sketch tbh. I may take a look at wrath of kings again; maybe the actual sculpt will be better.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/03 13:21:51


Post by: Baragash


The angle I think the artist is going for really exaggerates those thighs!!!

At least for collectors the price of acquiring her for non-WoK backers is a lot less painful than the $70 needed for MERCS (though I ultimately backed that on it's merits anyway which made it a non-issue for me).


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/03 13:29:13


Post by: tre manor


somebody needs to get some prozak in the KD:M world STAT! All the chicks look like they are about to cry....even when they " cross-over"!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/03 13:29:36


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Not sure on that

What CMON have posted in the update (restrict yourself to one per faction starter)

suggests that you MAY need to get a faction to get her (not just use the a la carte option)

but it's not clear


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 tre manor wrote:
somebody needs to get some prozak in the KD:M world STAT! All the chicks look like they are about to cry....even when they " cross-over"!


it's because the keep getting accused of having 'fat thighs'....


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/03 14:10:49


Post by: BrookM


Poots I trust, CMON I do not.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/04 00:53:32


Post by: Dentry


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
What CMON have posted in the update (restrict yourself to one per faction starter)

suggests that you MAY need to get a faction to get her (not just use the a la carte option)

but it's not clear


I'm betting that it's an A La Carte option as well, but I could be wrong. Tentatively pledge for Allison until CMON states I need a faction starter.

Also, nothing wrong with dem thighs. She just looks upset at having lost another pair of pants.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/04 17:24:06


Post by: Alpharius


Tom about 20 hours ago

Maybe Poots can confirm if the Kingdom Death - verse has a sea? I wonder where all the water goes? Survivors gotta eat 'n' drink!

I actually quite like the idea of KD being on an endless plane of black sea. (With a food chain of sea monsters!) Perhaps it is possible to fall off the edge of the world.


Creator Kingdom Death about 18 hours ago

@Tom, that fiction was written for WOK. It is not cannon to KD. Does Kingdom Death have a sea? You know me, not only do I not like spoilers, but I am also totally obsessed with how things in the world are presented. So... I will just have to say... we will have to wait and SEE!

( sorry i couldn't help myself! now I must finish my china battle suit for when i fly back out to do quality control )


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/04 17:57:04


Post by: Breotan


 Baragash wrote:
The angle I think the artist is going for really exaggerates those thighs!!!
It's that way with all KD women.



Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/04 18:25:36


Post by: Absolutionis


 Breotan wrote:
 Baragash wrote:
The angle I think the artist is going for really exaggerates those thighs!!!
It's that way with all KD women.

Agreed. WoK's aesthetic tends to be topless+pasties, not thighs.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 19:35:28


Post by: Dentry


 DaveC wrote:
Confirmation that the WoK twilight Knight must be bought with a starter minimum


Leif Paulson 1 minute ago

We have gotten a ton of questions about the Kingdom Death crossover miniatures. To be perfectly clear they are tied to starters, If you want one you have to purchase a faction starter. If you were a KD backer, you can access an additional one. It is tied directly to the number of faction starters you get, so if you are pledging at the Ancient King level, you can buy 5 if you really want. Hopefully that makes sense. So no a la carte menu, you cannot buy them individually. Been working this out for a while now, soonest I could get the info to you.

Boo!

I don't really understand that decision. Heck, I'd buy a faction starter if any of them appealed to me. The Hadross are nice but not enough *cough* Kingdom Death flavor for my taste.

Consider my pledge cancelled, good sirs!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 19:48:08


Post by: yukihyou


 Dentry wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Confirmation that the WoK twilight Knight must be bought with a starter minimum


Leif Paulson 1 minute ago

We have gotten a ton of questions about the Kingdom Death crossover miniatures. To be perfectly clear they are tied to starters, If you want one you have to purchase a faction starter. If you were a KD backer, you can access an additional one. It is tied directly to the number of faction starters you get, so if you are pledging at the Ancient King level, you can buy 5 if you really want. Hopefully that makes sense. So no a la carte menu, you cannot buy them individually. Been working this out for a while now, soonest I could get the info to you.

Boo!

I don't really understand that decision. Heck, I'd buy a faction starter if any of them appealed to me. The Hadross are nice but not enough *cough* Kingdom Death flavor for my taste.

Consider my pledge cancelled, good sirs!


Ditto.

I wish KD would answer the 3 emails I have sent them over the last 4 months.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 19:58:19


Post by: Baragash


Fortunately I know someone who is pledging so I can still get my TK.

I am however a little disappointed at the lack of consideration Poots is giving collectors with where these KD crossover models are available.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 19:58:38


Post by: kilcin


 Dentry wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Confirmation that the WoK twilight Knight must be bought with a starter minimum


Leif Paulson 1 minute ago

We have gotten a ton of questions about the Kingdom Death crossover miniatures. To be perfectly clear they are tied to starters, If you want one you have to purchase a faction starter. If you were a KD backer, you can access an additional one. It is tied directly to the number of faction starters you get, so if you are pledging at the Ancient King level, you can buy 5 if you really want. Hopefully that makes sense. So no a la carte menu, you cannot buy them individually. Been working this out for a while now, soonest I could get the info to you.

Boo!

I don't really understand that decision. Heck, I'd buy a faction starter if any of them appealed to me. The Hadross are nice but not enough *cough* Kingdom Death flavor for my taste.

Consider my pledge cancelled, good sirs!


Really? You don't understand the decision to encourage people to support the actual Kickstarter and it's goals instead of just having people pay money for a KD tie-in? It would be a waste of time and money to just allow people buy the mini a la cart instead of tying it to starters which is what they really want people to do at a minimum. The addition of the KD mini was to push fence sitters towards backing.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 20:02:39


Post by: Alpharius


 kilcin wrote:
 Dentry wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Confirmation that the WoK twilight Knight must be bought with a starter minimum


Leif Paulson 1 minute ago

We have gotten a ton of questions about the Kingdom Death crossover miniatures. To be perfectly clear they are tied to starters, If you want one you have to purchase a faction starter. If you were a KD backer, you can access an additional one. It is tied directly to the number of faction starters you get, so if you are pledging at the Ancient King level, you can buy 5 if you really want. Hopefully that makes sense. So no a la carte menu, you cannot buy them individually. Been working this out for a while now, soonest I could get the info to you.

Boo!

I don't really understand that decision. Heck, I'd buy a faction starter if any of them appealed to me. The Hadross are nice but not enough *cough* Kingdom Death flavor for my taste.

Consider my pledge cancelled, good sirs!


Really? You don't understand the decision to encourage people to support the actual Kickstarter and it's goals instead of just having people pay money for a KD tie-in? It would be a waste of time and money to just allow people buy the mini a la cart instead of tying it to starters which is what they really want people to do at a minimum. The addition of the KD mini was to push fence sitters towards backing.


Pretty much!

The point of these is to drive up sales of the currently running Kickstarter.

People buying just the crossover model aren't really doing that.

This cross promotion will still have the desired effect, most likely, and anyone dropping out that was only interested in the KD figure wasn't going to be having a positive effect on this campaign's bottom line anyway.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 20:13:07


Post by: Dentry


No, I figured that's what they're doing. It's not hard to see why they would.

The reason I said I don't really understand it is because even if someone were just picking up the Twilight Knight (which was my intention), they're still contributing to the kickstarter campaign. It's not a big contribution especially when you factor in shipping costs, but I'd imagine that there'd still be a profit to be had even from a single model: it's no different than a sale at that point and plenty of miniatures sell for as much or lower than the asking price of the promo figure.

So, again, I don't really understand it even though I can comprehend why they'd do it.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 20:21:07


Post by: Alpharius


Model + shipping + time/labor/etc. might mean that the $10 (Is that what she costs?) is all gone, and the only benefit they'd get is if you spent money on other stuff in the campaign?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 20:26:11


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


at $10 for a resin mini (USA) it might actually cost them if you could get it by itself

and even with $15 shipping for ROW (again resin so box not jiffy bag) I'm not sure the situation would be any better

now if it had been $25 like a KD figure I'd say yes it would have made sense (financially) to allow folk to get it by itself


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 20:30:17


Post by: Dentry


That's entirely possible, Alpharius.

Obviously, I don't know what the actual costs will be for CMON. The margin probably just isn't as large as they'd like it to be. And no, I'm not calling them greedy. I'm just saying that while I believe it would (could?) still contribute - aside from the publicity gained simply by having a Kingdom Death tie-in - that contribution might not be enough for them logistically to bother with the effort. Basically, sell thousands of Twilight Knights and end up with $100 left over for WoK or whathaveyou.

It's main value, however, is simply in getting people to look at their new KS. I certainly did when I saw that a Twilight Knight was offered. While most of the models aren't to my taste, my lack of contribution wasn't for lack of wanting to. Tried to find somewhere to drop $50 but there's not enough appeal for me personally. I'm sure that was not the case for others that happily forked over money. Kickstraq would probably agree, too.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 20:31:22


Post by: RiTides


That's the second time I've seen someone from the UK say a "jiffy", at least you specified "bag" afterwards . Is that something like a padded envelope, or just any old envelope, etc?


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/06 21:02:35


Post by: DaveC


Jiffy bags are those brown envelopes with bubble wrap type lining. Jiffy is the brand name - it's a a bit like calling a vacuum cleaner a Hoover.

I think at $11 for a US backer for a resin model that would need manufacturing and shipping CMoN might actually lose money on them if allowed on their own.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/09 03:41:38


Post by: Buzzsaw


Big news. BIG.

Slowing down for Quality
Update #77 · Sep 8, 2013 · 10 comments

I am delaying the project.

This has been an incredibly hard decision to make. Sticking to the timeline and fulfilling the entire project on time was paramount. The backers (you guys!) would be thrilled and the final product would be just in time for new buyers during the holiday shopping season. And I think we all know, that is a big deal for the future of KD.

Kingdom Death fans have been supporting this project for a long time, we consistently sell out of our resin stock and not only did they push me with emails everyday to run a kickstarter… once it was live fans became backers and smashed thru every previous record. During the course of the kickstarter campaign we expanded the planned game from a single 12" x 12" box to a 12" x 24" box, 11 game expansions + over 21 single figures! That's HUGE!

I decided long ago to match fans enthusiasm by offering my absolute best. Today that same decision has led me here. To ensure that the entirety of the project is the absolute best I can offer, I must delay it. Additional time will be spent on play testing, expansions, and plastic production. This includes a return trip to China to oversee the final 2-3 weeks of production in person.

If there is any one to blame for this delay, blame me and my absolute refusal to compromise the quality of Kingdom Death. A brand built entirely by fans and now thousands of backers. I have never before rushed anything to market or compromised the vision for this project.

This kickstarter has been an amazing opportunity for Kingdom Death and we will not squander it by simply rushing to the finish line.

Plastic
After touring and evaluating many options, a deal was struck with an incredibly talented factory and we decided that Kingdom Death deserved the best. Essentially, hard plastic kits on sprues, just like GW and many other companies.

The factory is so impressed with Kingdom Death, they are treating it as a true portfolio piece. Not only has no expense been spared, including staffing up their team and buying a new half a million dollar machine to cut finer mold detail. Their commitment is the real deal, they are pushing themselves to their creative and technological limit to produce these minis and I would have it no other way.

A part of this very time intensive process includes scanning every single precious hand-sculpted miniature and painstakingly re-touching them with digital tools to optimize each sculpt for plastic production.

Of course I have photos to share! But please keep in mind that they are not final and still open to more scrutiny and mastering.






Hard plastic costs considerably more than PVC, both in mold and unit cost. The core game has swelled in size so much that the retail value will rise quite a bit to reflect the value added. When the game is released it will be in the $150-$200 range. That is simply the reality of covering costs on the much larger deluxe box, nearly 700 game cards printed with premium materials, record sheets, game book, two game boards! ( the showdown & hunt board ), tokens, and the huge number of hard plastic miniatures on sprues inside the box.

Some of the larger monster, Lion God, Sunstalker and maybe the Gorm. Might still be best kept in PVC. A direct benefit of the delay is running even more tests to determine which material would best suit them. A hard plastic Sunstalker would be dozens and dozens of parts and spread across a stack of sprues!

Art Upgrade
During the campaign, many backers requested that we come up with an icon for every monster to help further distinguish card types from each other. Instead of making just an icon, we went ahead and designed a full gorgeous crest for every single monster in the core game and every expansion monster. The crests will grace the back of the monsters unique decks and will also appear as an icon on the front of their cards. And yeah, I am totally making a t-shirt of the butcher crest.

Story Events

The story event system and the new timeline have been so well received by play testers. We are refining it further and adding more. The originally planned 19 full page illustrations for the game book has blossomed to well over 30. ( maybe around 40?) Many of the expansions are getting an art boost too. Details will come down the pipeline later. Here are some quick WIP shots ( these actually just came in 5 mins ago! ) of some of the additional illustrations going into the core game book :



Core Game Miniature Upgrade
Because of the delay, A few more things have been squeezed into the game. Hector Moran has treated us with a physical version of the masks from the mask maker shop. Originally we never planned on sculpting these, since they are neither weapons nor armor... but they were just so cool I couldn't resist! These large masks can be added to your survivor kits or used in hobby projects. I'll post the rest when they are finished up.


Oh that reminds me, I don't think I've shown the artwork for the Mask Maker yet! Here it is below.


How long is the delay?

Initially fulfillment was planned for Q4 2013, with operations beginning late November. Now we are looking at Q1 2014. I will have a firmer date once everything is loaded onto cargo boats and headed for our warehouse.

Poots' Crappy Painting!
Part of the process of quality checking the plastics… is actually taking a brush to an assembled kit! I want to ensure that the details are not too soft and get obscured by paint too easily. I am in no way a good or even great painter, but even I can tell the difference between a challenging detail and one that not polished enough on the manufacturing end. Faces need to be crisp and edges need to be sharp! Here is a photo of my WIP hard plastic dragon sacrifice that I have shared with the factory. Maybe when I finish It I'll share it with you guys again.


I appreciate everyone's tremendous support. I'm still very grateful for this incredible opportunity. It has been a little crazy at times and it certainly has had its challenges. Doing right by the brand and keeping the quality high is the right choice. By popular request, we will be updating more frequently with smaller updates so we can bring everyone along with us as we wrap up.

!!!

Thank you,
- Poots





This is... I... whoa.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/09 03:47:19


Post by: Chaplain Pallantide


Damn I wish I got in on this kickstarter!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/09 03:53:49


Post by: Ramos Asura


I continue to be impressed. I've an incredible amount of respect for Poots, very admirable to not compromise on quality!
Honestly I dont mind waiting a measly few months more. I've waited this long, whats a few more months! ^^

From what I am seeing, the detail on these figs are astounding! As a painter, Im absolutely thrilled to have gotten in on this KS!
I really appreciate the inclusion of the "locking" bits on the sprues- I love that the parts wont be bouncing against one another en route!


On another note, 150-200 for the core game? Wowza! That makes me even happier to have gotten in on the ground floor, as it were!


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/09 03:57:17


Post by: plastictrees


I look forward to 2016 when my 60lb, jewel encrusted KD box is personally delivered to my by Mr. Poots on a mechanical Pegasus of his own design.

I actually still don't think I've confirmed my rewards yet for this, woops.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/09 04:04:54


Post by: Sinful Hero


THANK GOD. I had so much crap coming in November I was worried about getting swamped, and I've still onlyjust begun to start digging into my Bones. ALL of that looks awesome. I'm really excited about seeing a sprue as well- and the built Primal Huntress. (I'm also not surprised at all about a delay, or worked up about it-for some reason I was expecting it next November not too long ago)


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/09 04:16:21


Post by: cincydooley


I'm amazed they're going for the injection moulded plastic. Amazed. The plastic test minis they have so far are simply amazing and it's going to make personalizing your minis so, so very easy. I can't wait.


Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/09 04:16:48


Post by: silent25


Holeeeee.....!

I truly hope this all pans out and doesn't crash. Went in on plastic for some figs and was ready to accept PVC. I will gladly take this. So far this bad news of a delay is tempered by a pretty big carrot.

If it does go well, we got a big new player on the miniature field with high quality plastic.







Kingdom Death - News + Rumors Thread - WARNING - ABSOLUTELY NSFW! @ 2013/09/09 04:32:37


Post by: Hulksmash


But guys, you can't get anywhere near the same level of detail on plastic as you can on resin......

I'm cool with this. I barely went in for the starter and was going to settle for a ton of pin-ups. Now I'm stoked I did and it's looking like $500 well spent for painting stuff.