Dentry wrote:
NEW STUFF!





And a bunch of encores including the Halloween Twilight Knight!

Spoiler:

Also, I was unable to place an order for more than three miniatures at once. Said no shipping option was available to my location when I tried and it wouldn't go through until I split the miniatures into multiple orders. Just as an FYI to anyone who experiences the same thing.

MoD_Legion wrote:
It says 'Limit 3 per a customer' for the witches, this might mean you cant order more than 3 of em tin total. I just ordered the thief mage fighter and forsaker with no problem.

Wasn't trying to order more than one copy of each model. Wanted one of each witch and a few other things.

Yea but the limit might be 3 witches per customer, not 3 of each witch model, or it might be an error .

I was having an issue with more than 3 models per package.

I ordered three Witches and the Forsaker with no problems, not being allowed to order more than three Witches of any type sounds like a software error to me.

The current Beasts of war weekender has an unboxing of Monster, starts at the 15 minute mark.

I was super excited to see the Thief, Mage, and Fighter re-released because we knew the Halloween Twilight Knight would come back. The Mage and Fighter are gone already! Bah. Guess it's just the Twilight Knight and the Thief (which is my favorite of the three) for the wife and I. Watch, now that I'm deciding to take the plunge with my first resins, he'll release a couple more of the basic fantasy classes all in a big plastic collection.

I love the Witch Disciples and the Frogdog is super creepy, but I shall buy no monsters unless they have game content!

Edit: I wonder when the Pinups of Death collection will come back too? It's listed as unlimited stock, so you know it'll be back eventually.

Actually, the pinup collection was also restocked along with the Lion Knight and Percival. But they were gone again really quick.

 Dentry wrote:
Actually, the pinup collection was also restocked along with the Lion Knight and Percival. But they were gone again really quick.

They probably only had a few on hand, eh? I really should have bought it when it first released like I had planned. Oh well. It'll restock again. And I'll be waiting.

Yeap - Tried to order one of each Witch + Frogdog and the ordering system would not let me do it - Eventually gave up and went to bed - and of course now everything is gone except the two male witches - Rather annoying so sent a rather vigorous letter of complaint .

Man - nothing like waking up at 8 in the morning to find that Kingdom Death has released, and then immediately sold out of, a bunch of cool minis while I slept.

Encores of some of the witches are already out?

Maybe to grab one of each myself-hate that I missed the frog-dog thing though.

I need that witch. NEED.
I just played a quick demo game of this and me and the wife are throwing all our money at it now.

The female witches are back up for sale right now, another 500 each!

Yep. Witch encores for those that missed it. Hopefully you're able to grab one if so.

I absolutely would love to see those in polystyrene instead of resin. A box with all the Witch Disciples...

All in good time, I'm sure. You just need some patience.

Managed to snag one of the Witch 2 Encores. Know I really shouldn't, what with the mountain of resin and plastic currently staring me in the face, but I just really dig that mini


EDIT:

So I noticed that the Halloween pinup now comes with a gear card.... I got the mini last year with no card- This was all before Monster was a glimmer in the future... Do you think I could still get the gear card now that its out?

So when will Kingdom Death start selling decent minis again? They had so many fantastic models, but they've been sold out for quite a while.

Love the thief and some of the witches

Thought long and hard about getting a fighter, having never tried out the KD resins.

Went back to purchase her, and naturally she was gone.

If we're going to wishlist for a set of plastic witches, then I'm gonna wishlist for a set of all those "generic" fantasy classes they've made so far (and hopefully more)...

Don't know that we'll get everything in plastic eventually, but I think the best bet we have of such an occurrence is through sets like the pinup box. Maybe a witch/Halloween set, a fantasy archetype set, or simply a pinup set 2.

Of course, John was right about patience. We're gonna need industrial quantities of the stuff.

annoyingly the 'halloween weekend only' model turned out to be just 'until we sell out', Can't find it on the site.

He did have it limited at 500 so either till they sell or the weekend ends. But you must know, he ALWAYS sells out.

Ramos Asura wrote:Managed to snag one of the Witch 2 Encores. Know I really shouldn't, what with the mountain of resin and plastic currently staring me in the face, but I just really dig that mini


EDIT:

So I noticed that the Halloween pinup now comes with a gear card.... I got the mini last year with no card- This was all before Monster was a glimmer in the future... Do you think I could still get the gear card now that its out?

Yeah, you should have gotten a gear card- you might double check before you send off a ticket. Adam is swamped with Kickstarter related messages atm.

McNinja wrote:So when will Kingdom Death start selling decent minis again? They had so many fantastic models, but they've been sold out for quite a while.

You just missed them.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Ramos Asura wrote:snip

Yeah, you should have gotten a gear card- you might double check before you send off a ticket. Adam is swamped with Kickstarter related messages atm.

Just gave another poke though the box, and unfortunately, no gear card! D:

But yeah, i was going to wait a bit before bugging the KD crew about it- I cant even imagine how swamped they must be!
Maybe after wave 3 hits Ill shoot out a message. Im in no rush, in any case.

Schmapdi wrote:
Man - nothing like waking up at 8 in the morning to find that Kingdom Death has released, and then immediately sold out of, a bunch of cool minis while I slept.

Yep . I just gave up on ever trying to get their stuff for this reason. I have no desire to play the "artificially limited edition" game (particularly when it's a continual cycle - original run, encore, encore... just not what I'm looking for when trying to buy a miniature).

His business model really seems like "I'm low on cash lets release something"

 RiTides wrote:

Yep . I just gave up on ever trying to get their stuff for this reason. I have no desire to play the "artificially limited edition" game (particularly when it's a continual cycle - original run, encore, encore... just not what I'm looking for when trying to buy a miniature).

Glad I'm not the only one that feels that way! Can't be fagged to chase after these releases all the time. Plastic with game content? Yep, if the price is right. Limited resin? Followed by Encores? Sod that. Nice models, but not worth the hassle or stress in acquiring them.

Yeah, not playing the LE game, especially when a lot of the figures will undoubtedly be rereleased as quality plastic kits, with game content to boot. Not knocking those who do; it's just not my thing.

Pin-ups have no ingame value or content. At least none of the KS ones did.

I think it's more a case of there being more odd ideas in his head than he can get out and produced

(otherwise we'd have been sold several of the figures he handed out in the grab bags of death a couple of years ago that had been through the concept art process, sculpted and even cast before he decided they weren't quite good enough to sell)

but it's certainly not cheap paying $25 for a human sized mini (with art card)..... Unless you're buying GW plastic characters then it's just par for the course

I'd love to get them all but I don't have the budget (and miss a fair few as I'm asleep when they hit or not on the PC), but I'll take what I can get

I am a bit surprised that KD doesn't offer pre-order options on their site. Like you enter the pre-order queue for models that are out of stock, then when they restock you get automatically sent one in order. Even if KD took like 10% of the price up-front, it would seem to work a lot better, plus give them some good information on what to re-release next. Hell, they could even send you a heads up email saying "This thing you are in line for is going to be made and sent out in a week or so; anything you want to add to your order?" That alone should be worth a few more model sales every time.

That and Adam is one man.

One man, who is rightly focused on delivering Wave 1 small items and Wave 2 boxed sets to backers.

That he made a breather to do an Update and release some more stuff is pretty cool. It shows the business continues as they work through the crunch.


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 Wehrkind wrote:
I am a bit surprised that KD doesn't offer pre-order options on their site.

I think it's a logistics tracking thing, but you're absolutely right that KD:M needs a preorder/restock mechanism, where he can put 500 things on order, max 1 per backer address, and then take the rest as a single restock order wave. That way he clears his initial shipment and has a single well-defined restock afterward, and everybody gets what they want.

He also needs to sell this stuff to fund the KS delivery IIRC, it has kinda sorta grown out of proportion over time.

 BrookM wrote:
He also needs to sell this stuff to fund the KS delivery IIRC, it has kinda sorta grown out of proportion over time.

Nomoreso than the derrierre's of his pinups.

To be honest, he really doesn't have to take preorders- it's going to sell out.

Unless it's the Apotheosis models apparently.


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Chopxsticks wrote:
His business model really seems like "I'm low on cash lets release something"

Uh, it is. He has mentioned it once or twice(in an update for the Kickstarter I know) that resin releases have paid for a large portion of the Kickstarter. I forget the amount exactly.

I like to think that these resin sales have helped fund the EU and ROW shipments.

I think having the models available as a preorder queue would reduce the incentive people have to "Buy now!" the second they become available. I really don't like this business model - I think KD's Monster box is ace, but I haven't bought one of their resins since I got the Flower Knight several years ago.

 RiTides wrote:
I think having the models available as a preorder queue would reduce the incentive people have to "Buy now!" the second they become available. I really don't like this business model - I think KD's Monster box is ace, but I haven't bought one of their resins since I got the Flower Knight several years ago.

I don't know about that. It would lessen the worry about not being able to get it, and thus the concern of "losing one's place", but it does it by solidifying one's place, which is what he wants anyway. If say 750 people want a model (which seems reasonable, given how they sell out) and he makes 500, the last 250 still are left wanting, and the model still has that elusive and hard to get feel. It just makes it easier to buy, and less dependent on luck. That might diminish a little bit of the rush buy option, but then the "oooh I can save on shipping if I get X and Y too!" would probably make up for it.
At this point, I don't think Adam's issue is selling more models or stimulating demand; he already has way more demand than he is willing or able to meet. The issue now is how to improve getting the models to the people who want them most. (Really, the economist in me says that he should be running an auction, with the top 500 bidders getting models, so basically charging people close to their maximum willingness to pay. He could be getting a lot more money per model at the top end...)

The rush buy thing is handled simply by closing orders on Sunday night. Total 2 runs of resin, and that's it until who knows when.

 Wehrkind wrote:
At this point, I don't think Adam's issue is selling more models or stimulating demand; he already has way more demand than he is willing or able to meet. The issue now is how to improve getting the models to the people who want them most. (Really, the economist in me says that he should be running an auction, with the top 500 bidders getting models, so basically charging people close to their maximum willingness to pay. He could be getting a lot more money per model at the top end...)

That's most certainly true. But based on comments Adam has made, I don't think he'd consider auctioning off the models the same as getting them to fans. I certainly wouldn't be able to compete with people willing and able to spend $100+ per human-sized model on eBay so this would kind of lock me out unless the lower end auctions sold for close to what they sell direct for now; even that being the case, the supply available at the current price point would shrink significantly. It'd be an interesting experiment, though, to see the effect on sales, prospectors, and prices.

Auctions simply go to the highest 500 bidders. As long as you bid higher than the 500th, you get an item. It's a very fair mechanism that would net more of the profit to Adam by aligning price more clearly with demand.

I find the prices insane already - the idea of raising them via an auction - ugh!

Wehrkind, I bow to your soon-to-be-PhD economics knowledge (not joking - dude's an economist!) but I feel like there's a term - what is it, price inflexibility? There's a point that you can increase the price to and not affect sales negatively, but there's a line it can cross where people balk.

That happened with the $50 single injection molded plastic model they put out a while back - it was just too much and people were not willing to pay.

It seems like they're nowhere near that point here, as people readily buy up the limited resins despite the cost - but I think it's due to their "limited" nature (which makes the fact that they can easily restock encores even more frustrating, because it seems to me to be creating its own demand while it is not truly limited, just being presented that way in waves).

Anyway, I probably just sound grumpy but I much prefer companies that are, you know, willing to sell me what I want to buy so don't bother with ones where I have to jump so quickly and can't even plan for something like a Kickstarter (one month) timeframe.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Auctions simply go to the highest 500 bidders. As long as you bid higher than the 500th, you get an item. It's a very fair mechanism that would net more of the profit to Adam by aligning price more clearly with demand.

Again, that's true. But Adam hasn't seemed to fond of eBay auctions of his products. From the comments section of the kickstarter:

@Matt Roach, I don't wanna spoil plans for holiday releases. I would think that as we are entering the holiday season again soon... you might have whatever answer you are looking for! If you are thinking about eBay, just reach out to joe. Despite our game name, we are not monsters and while I do respect collectors being one myself, i find it personally a little sickening when product we have in stock, in the store is on eBay with a mark up... ah commercialism.

So, again-again, the idea that selling his models to the highest bidder would net him more profit isn't something I question. It's almost certainly true. I would, however, disagree with such a policy. This is getting kind of off-topic, though, as there're no indicators that such a system is being considered.

 RiTides wrote:
I find the prices insane already - the idea of raising them via an auction - ugh!

Wehrkind, I bow to your soon-to-be-PhD economics knowledge (not joking - dude's an economist!) but I feel like there's a term - what is it, price inflexibility? There's a point that you can increase the price to and not affect sales negatively, but there's a line it can cross where people balk.

That happened with the $50 single injection molded plastic model they put out a while back - it was just too much and people were not willing to pay.

It seems like they're nowhere near that point here, as people readily buy up the limited resins despite the cost - but I think it's due to their "limited" nature (which makes the fact that they can easily restock encores even more frustrating, because it seems to me to be creating its own demand while it is not truly limited, just being presented that way in waves).

Anyway, I probably just sound grumpy but I much prefer companies that are, you know, willing to sell me what I want to buy so don't bother with ones where I have to jump so quickly and can't even plan for something like a Kickstarter (one month) timeframe.

That's true if ALL your prices are that. With an auction where the 500 highest bids get models, you are basically matching your demand curve. It is possible that no-one will be willing to pay more than 20$ a model, but in that case you will just have a range between 20$ and whatever it is sells for now.

Remind me later to explain the concept of "price elasticity" to you later

Adam has an e-commerce site that can host its own auctions without going through eBay or another 3rd party. It's not rocket science.

Anyhow, I do like the Halloween Witches, and I do hope they become available in plastic.

 RiTides wrote:
I find the prices insane already - the idea of raising them via an auction - ugh!

Wehrkind, I bow to your soon-to-be-PhD economics knowledge (not joking - dude's an economist!) but I feel like there's a term - what is it, price inflexibility? There's a point that you can increase the price to and not affect sales negatively, but there's a line it can cross where people balk.

That happened with the $50 single injection molded plastic model they put out a while back - it was just too much and people were not willing to pay.

Are you talking about the $50 plastic model that turned out to be a 54mm figure?

Yes, although it's not a 54mm scale figure, just bigger once everything was accounted for... the point was the limit of what folks are willing to pay, though.

Any idea if there will be another kickstarter in 2016 for a new game or expansions?

It's going to be so expensive for us Europeans (import duties / shipping) to buy the new expansions, unless he gets an EU distributor.

I so want a plastic forge god expansion !! :-P

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, although it's not a 54mm scale figure, just bigger once everything was accounted for... the point was the limit of what folks are willing to pay, though.

If it was the Christmas figure it was a 54mm pinup. The leg alone was as big as a regular KD mini.

 devilution wrote:
It's going to be so expensive for us Europeans (import duties / shipping) to buy the new expansions, unless he gets an EU distributor.

He won't, he wants to keep this internal, ROW be damned!

 BrookM wrote:

 devilution wrote:
It's going to be so expensive for us Europeans (import duties / shipping) to buy the new expansions, unless he gets an EU distributor.

He won't, he wants to keep this internal, ROW be damned!

RoW RoW RoW your boat, gently down the stream...with massive customs and services charged, KD is just a dream...

Joking aside I doubt Adam will ever relinquish control of the resins. He doesn't like the idea of the experience being anything less than what he intended, and with the fragility of resins and the "boutique" nature of them I just don't see his personality allowing him to work with a third-party on that. I think he'd plainly rather not sell them than sell them on someone else's terms.

Where I personally see a bit of wiggle room is on the KD:M expansions. Those are pre-packaged with a comparatively rugged material. That's both easier to work with and fewer SKUs that they would need to bother with. Granted, some of the grumblings Adam has let slip about his fulfillment partners may mean that he's loathe to even do that much, but that's where I see the potential of such an arrangement getting worked out for the benefit of the EU at least.

So...that's all the important people covered, right? Just sheep down there in Australia, right?

He had a UK distributor/stockist in the past to go with the CMON in the US and Full Metal Planet in Japan,

but sadly Maelstrom games folded

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, although it's not a 54mm scale figure, just bigger once everything was accounted for... the point was the limit of what folks are willing to pay, though.

If it was the Christmas figure it was a 54mm pinup. The leg alone was as big as a regular KD mini.

IIRC it wasn't clearly stated on there either that it was 54mm

$50 for a 54mm is a lot more palatable than for a 32mm model. It's still on the high range for me, but a lot more palatable.

And like many, certainly hoping 2014 Halloween buyers can get the gear card. I'll be a little salty if I can't.

 Krinsath wrote:
RoW RoW RoW your boat, gently down the stream...with massive customs and services charged, KD is just a dream...

Joking aside I doubt Adam will ever relinquish control of the resins. He doesn't like the idea of the experience being anything less than what he intended, and with the fragility of resins and the "boutique" nature of them I just don't see his personality allowing him to work with a third-party on that. I think he'd plainly rather not sell them than sell them on someone else's terms.

Where I personally see a bit of wiggle room is on the KD:M expansions. Those are pre-packaged with a comparatively rugged material. That's both easier to work with and fewer SKUs that they would need to bother with. Granted, some of the grumblings Adam has let slip about his fulfillment partners may mean that he's loathe to even do that much, but that's where I see the potential of such an arrangement getting worked out for the benefit of the EU at least.

So...that's all the important people covered, right? Just sheep down there in Australia, right?

As one of Dakka's biggest witches once said "Rest of world doesn't matter."

I think it was said in the past that he wants to keep everything internal, including sales of the main game and its expansions. I'm personally glad we bought them all during the KS, as in this day and age I refuse to buy US when the USPS charges so much for non-US shipping.

 devilution wrote:
Any idea if there will be another kickstarter in 2016 for a new game or expansions?

I would hope to see a 2016 KS for the next (smaller) increment of stuff, stuff that can deliver within a year.

I would not expect "FREE" shipping or subsidized customs, though.

I don't know if he's going to do another KS so soon after finally wrapping up this one, but it will be interesting to see what it's going to be. More monsters, or the proposed heroes expansion?

Rumors suggest "Kingdom Death: Heroes" isn't even an expansion, rather a full, second game, akin to Warhammer Quest.

Well, that's not a project done in under a year then.

Can we stop with this $26 for a 32mm model. They are 40mm models hand-cast in resin.

And the heroes game is allegedly just called Kingdom Death which is supposed to be Berserk themed Warhammer Quest.

And I am buried in plastic and resin with still more en route. Adam's not the only one that needs a breather.

Iain.

In theory, KD:M finishes 1Q 2016, so that leaves 9-ish months of moving KD:M stuff to retail.

Launching a well-focused KD:Heroes KS in 2Q 2016 would keep things moving nicely.

I think, even with the lessons learned from this one, there will be quite an overshoot in set dates.

That's why he needs a smaller scope, tighter focus

Black Friday sale is on- and most of the resins are gone.

Wow, that was crazy. At least I didn't have to maintain my willpower on my plastics only stance for long...

Correction- he keeps adding stuff, but it goes really fast. Flower Knoghts were up for a few minutes.

The naked sets are a really good deal (if you don't care about the art cards). I'm tempted to grab one.

A few resins are still in stock.

That Apotheosis model is also in stock! Hurry, it might be gone in the next 12 months!

More armor kits in stock!

Most of the resins are back in stock now again. Get them fast!

I waited for more resins to come online and in doing so, missed out on the resin Lantern Festival Girl.

How am I supposed to have a proper festival now?!


Edit: Still insane how rapidly these things sell out. Was watching the numbers - I suspect the displayed quantity is inaccurate or updates slowly - and the Lantern Festival Girl (LFG) went from ~107 to Out of Stock.

Quick tip- apparently you can keep stuff in your cart to "reserve" it if it goes out of stock. Haven't checked out yet though.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Quick tip- apparently you can keep stuff in your cart to "reserve" it if it goes out of stock. Haven't checked out yet though.

I had her in my cart. Didn't save me.

Like I said, was waiting for more resins to come online so I could purchase them in one order (because shipping) and she disappeared. :(

No, it can still be out of stock if its in you cart (i just had this happen to me). It only reserves/removes it from site inventory after purchase.

Dentry wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Quick tip- apparently you can keep stuff in your cart to "reserve" it if it goes out of stock. Haven't checked out yet though.

I had her in my cart. Didn't save me.

Like I said, was waiting for more resins to come online so I could purchase them in one order (because shipping) and she disappeared. :(

sarduka42 wrote:No, it can still be out of stock if its in you cart (i just had this happen to me). It only reserves/removes it from site inventory after purchase.

Lol, yep. Just found that out myself.

Lesson learned. I'll be ready for the Holiday releases. Shipping be damned!

Yeah, ordering these things one at a time before they go out of stock will eat you alive.

54 mm Pinup Preacher is up for $20 right now. 6 of 20 after like 15 seconds.

Edit 1: 1 available now

Edit 2: Aaaand she's gone. (Less than a minute).

Wow, I should have saved my cash and waited for retail on KD:M. I see Poots is releasing many of the the Kickstarter exclusive models now, being sold as kickstarter exclusives off kickstarter.

What a slap in the face for backers who had to pony up the cash years ago just to get some kickstarter exclusives.

 455_PWR wrote:
Wow, I should have saved my cash and waited for retail on KD:M. I see Poots is releasing many of the the Kickstarter exclusive models now, being sold as kickstarter exclusives off kickstarter.

What a slap in the face for backers who had to pony up the cash years ago just to get some kickstarter exclusives.

Agreed. I paid $15 (as everyone else did during the KS) for many of those models that are now going for $7.50 each if you buy the whole set.

Good times.

RIP F5 button >.>

seriously, it's pretty damn scary how quickly stuff's going, although I must admit I'm pretty happy to have gotten the 54mm preacher >.> Gone in under a minute, that's insane.

As for the KS exclusives, it's a pretty low blow .__. I can hardly act all high and mighty as I'm currently in the process of purchasing them but I really don't feel this is something that should be done :/ not a good way to promote brand loyalty

 455_PWR wrote:
Wow, I should have saved my cash and waited for retail on KD:M. I see Poots is releasing many of the the Kickstarter exclusive models now, being sold as kickstarter exclusives off kickstarter.

What a slap in the face for backers who had to pony up the cash years ago just to get some kickstarter exclusives.

Black Friday only. Not too worried about it myself. Plus no art cards- just bare sprues in a plastic bag.

To be honest, since they're in plastic I'd rather they be a general release item anyway.

He's putting up stuff again.

Now I'm convinced he's intentionally staggering it in waves to try and assure a more wide distribution. But it still sucks because of shipping!

yeah, shipping's what's killing me atm, I'd like to believe in the dream where my basket contents correlates to what's in stock but that's never gonna happen :/

hopefully we can get combined shipping on multiple orders?

"Adam & Anna the explorers of death are the only kickstarter exclusives at this time. I cannot comment on when the other miniatures may be available, but I can say it would be after the rewards for this kickstarter are fulfilled."

Still kind of a bummer if you paid more for stuff during the campaign, but most of it was so much cheaper that it's hard to feel too bad.

 DPBellathrom wrote:
yeah, shipping's what's killing me atm, I'd like to believe in the dream where my basket contents correlates to what's in stock but that's never gonna happen :/

hopefully we can get combined shipping on multiple orders?

Yeah, maybe he'll be kind enough to do a refund on shipping or something.


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ecurtz wrote:
"Adam & Anna the explorers of death are the only kickstarter exclusives at this time. I cannot comment on when the other miniatures may be available, but I can say it would be after the rewards for this kickstarter are fulfilled."

Still kind of a bummer if you paid more for stuff during the campaign, but most of it was so much cheaper that it's hard to feel too bad.

That works too, lol. Guess folks were griping for nothing.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 DPBellathrom wrote:
yeah, shipping's what's killing me atm, I'd like to believe in the dream where my basket contents correlates to what's in stock but that's never gonna happen :/

hopefully we can get combined shipping on multiple orders?

Yeah, maybe he'll be kind enough to do a refund on shipping or something.

Had a similar issue during the Halloween releases where I couldn't purchase everything in one order because of quantity limitations -- that I was complying with, so dunno why I got KD blocked -- and sent an email asking to combine the three orders. Didn't get a response until about 1.5 weeks after my stuff arrived.

They ship rather quickly which is great. But Adam's said whenever they release stuff they usually get hammered with emails.

All the same, already put in a ticket asking for combined shipping again. Fingers crossed.

just hoping if they put the flower witches back up I can get them in one go, getting pretty antsy as I don't want to have to spend an extra £5 if I miss one >.>




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 Dentry wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 DPBellathrom wrote:
yeah, shipping's what's killing me atm, I'd like to believe in the dream where my basket contents correlates to what's in stock but that's never gonna happen :/

hopefully we can get combined shipping on multiple orders?

Yeah, maybe he'll be kind enough to do a refund on shipping or something.

Had a similar issue during the Halloween releases where I couldn't purchase everything in one order because of quantity limitations -- that I was complying with, so dunno why I got KD blocked -- and sent an email asking to combine the three orders. Didn't get a response until about 1.5 weeks after my stuff arrived.

They ship rather quickly which is great. But Adam's said whenever they release stuff they usually get hammered with emails.

All the same, already put in a ticket asking for combined shipping again. Fingers crossed.

what's this I keep hearing about tickets?

Rush has slowed down a bit- resins are mostly in stock ATM.

 DPBellathrom wrote:
what's this I keep hearing about tickets?

An email to their help desk. The address is at the bottom of the confirmation you receive for each order.

ah ok, thanks

Ouch, armour sprues are normally $50?!

Expensive, but I do like most of those armor :0 I not sure he really needs more of my money even if I do want a few boxes ;(

Supplies have held up for a few hours now. So a bit of a recap for those that haven't seen yet.

Black Friday specials available as well as resins, including the KD:M kickstarter pinups. Armor kits are still available as well.

The Naked Kickstarter Pin-up collection......some of the models were part of game expansion packs.....have any of them not been available in plastic before.

I'm struggling to work out if I've got them all?!

All the naked collection are from the KS and none have been available outside of that in plastic or resin

so if you got all the KS content you've got them all

(note the regeneration suit pinup was a freebie with the Gorm Expansion, so you probably won't have ordered her as a separate item)

I got more armor kits ordered, because I found that I like the look of Lantern armor more than I thought I would during the KS. Also topped up a few others either in anticipation of the expansion coming or because I similarly liked it more in the flesh than I did in 2013.

$50 for 4 models at RRP is a fairly high price point, even if GW has moved the bar on that a bit to where for some people that's almost a bargain. I think there's a value proposition to be had in there with the customization and inter-changeability with other kits, but if you're not already invested to leverage some aspects of it then it IS kind of steep. Also, that's before the standard "Close your eyes and think of <insert EU country here>" experience the RoW gets with customs, fees, fees on the customs, taxes on the fees and the customs tax on the fees for the tax...plus five Euros because they can. At the BF prices and being in the US though, why certainly I'll add more to my toolbox of parts!

As far as the promo and pinup collections, it is something of a bummer that they were available after fulfillment for less (if you buy them all). However, I can find no where in the campaign that the pinups were ever marketed as "exclusive" (see the incomplete list here from the campaign to see they're not "KickStarter Specials": http://kingdomdeath.com/ks_images/side-options.jpg) and the promos were said to be available for special KD events after the KS. I know Black Friday doesn't seem particularly special, but remember that's when KD:M launched, and he's always had special things up for BF so it *is* such a day.

On the whole though the price aspect on the collections doesn't bother me too much though; if you bought the collections and KD:M now you'd save $140 on the pinups and promos (sans game content on the promos, but backers don't have that yet either) but then "lose" $225 on the game for a net loss of $85 versus a KS backer (and technically for an eventual good chunk less content since you'd be a Herald of Death just from Core Game + all pin-ups and promos and thus be getting 2 expansions included). So if your only interest was the pin-ups and promos, then yes; you would have been better off waiting. Still, given that the KS focus was on the game, I'm fine with how things worked out on being a backer versus waiting for retail. Naturally, YMMV on that point.

I value the little art cards that came with my KS pinups too

so while I would have been happy to grab the 'naked' (art card free) if I hadn't got them already I'm happy to have paid a bit more for the 'full' KS versions

Yeah - I'm a bit miffed that the pinups & promos (which comprised 80% of my pledge) are available so much cheaper now. Especially since I only got my pledge like a month ago.

I would have saved money AND gotten a more complete collection by NOT pledging. I value the art cards they come with - but not that much.

It's not the worst thing in the world I suppose, but might want to think stuff like that out more in the future. Might cause people to second guess future KS pledges.

Yeah, just a touch annoyed that those minis were cheaper, glad I didn't get many so I could jump in for cheaper and can still flip the duplicates, but, still, seems like the discount shouldn't have gone below KS prices.

Also, $50 for armor packs? That's... not competitive, in my opinion. $25 like the sale had me considering but not buying. $50 is more than a lot of skirmish starters, so I think I'll be rethinking how I build guys before getting those.

Same here, we may have some doubles from the pledge, but we'll be careful with what we use or not when making minis. €50,- for four minis and a pile of bits.. not even including the cut throat shipping. For that money one can get a whole lot more and then some from other companies.

So, with this all going up for retail, could this also mean we're finally getting instructions for all the models as well then?

The section's up on the website now (but pointing to a fan site only so far)

http://build.kingdomdeath.com/

as well as the scenarios for the KS minis that needed them and a few other bits and pieces

http://tools.kingdomdeath.com/

Ah, cheers for that, I still need to build the Watcher one of these days. Also happy to see a .pdf of the character sheet, though there appears to be no settlement sheet present as of right now.

I spent around $1400 in the kickstarter to make sure I didn't miss out on anything. I bought the pledge with some resin extras, and 1 of all add ons.

Ridiculous, this is how we are rewarded for our support many years ago. I used to support poots/kd and buy everything that came out since the beginning.

Looks like i have a date with ebay, I am going to liquidate my never assembled collection soon...

I bought everything other than the pinups during the KS (well, I also skipped Kara Black and Candy & Cola, because I didn't recognize them), so I just bought the Naked Kickstarter Pinup Collection now. That will give me a double of Allison the Twilight Knight and the Regeneration Suit, but it seems worth it.

So: while yes, it's a bit annoying that the Naked collections work out to be cheaper than buying from the KS, remember that the KS versions of the Promo figures will, at some point, have cards that go with them - in most cases a gear card, hunt card and settlement card, if I recall correctly. The Messenger of Humanity gets a prosthetic stone arm card, for example. So if you're at all interested in the game, it's absolutely worth it to have bought the KS versions.

The Naked Kickstarter Pinups...well, I guess it depends how much you value the art cards.

HAHAHA, we didn't get any cards with those when we got them. So funny.

 455_PWR wrote:
I spent around $1400 in the kickstarter to make sure I didn't miss out on anything. I bought the pledge with some resin extras, and 1 of all add ons.

Ridiculous, this is how we are rewarded for our support many years ago. I used to support poots/kd and buy everything that came out since the beginning.

Looks like i have a date with ebay, I am going to liquidate my never assembled collection soon...

Are you really that upset over a one day sale? That seems a bit extreme imho.


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 BrookM wrote:
HAHAHA, we didn't get any cards with those when we got them. So funny.

They're shipping with the expansion wave aren't they? Wait, which cards are we talking about, and with what miniatures?

No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive. They are being sold at retail today. This type of thing is spoken about in bbb meetings and contract law. It is bad business and shows how well the creator values his investors and fans.

I have too many games anyway and never played kd:m yet, so selling it to play what I already use makes perfect sense in light of this. I used to buy everything to help support poots too, so not purchasing anymore product is a way of showing his companies support back.

 455_PWR wrote:
No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive. They are being sold at retail today. This type of thing is spoken about in bbb meetings and contract law. It is bad business and shows how well the creator values his investors and fans.

I have too many games anyway and never played kd:m yet, so selling it to play what I already use makes perfect sense in light of this. I used to buy everything to help support poots too, so not purchasing anymore product is a way of showing his companies support back.

Only thing that as guarenteed to be exclusive were the Adam and Aya models- it was linked/copy pasted last page.
The rest were going to be of unknown availability, but not full retail release. I believe being sold at a convention or for one day out of the year is not a retail release.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
HAHAHA, we didn't get any cards with those when we got them. So funny.

They're shipping with the expansion wave aren't they? Wait, which cards are we talking about, and with what miniatures?

For the mini's with the extra ingame content, like she-Link, not-Guts and the Twilight Knight. That's why we got them in the first place, for more game content.

But are they now? Are they going to ship those with wave three? Got a link on that? Or will we be printing it all out ourselves sometime after it all goes up for retail..

 BrookM wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
HAHAHA, we didn't get any cards with those when we got them. So funny.

They're shipping with the expansion wave aren't they? Wait, which cards are we talking about, and with what miniatures?

For the mini's with the extra ingame content, like she-Link, not-Guts and the Twilight Knight. That's why we got them in the first place, for more game content.

But are they now? Are they going to ship those with wave three? Got a link on that? Or will we be printing it all out ourselves sometime after it all goes up for retail..

Last info on the promo rules was in update 96-97, and it appears if you want the hard copy you'll have to pay a shipping fee. So I was wrong on the Wave 3 part. Got my info mixed up.

"Promo Rules & Challenge Scenario's
Challenge Scenarios and promo rules are not included in wave 1 shipping. A PDF will be be sent to Resin Beta Backers this month (for some light testing) and then made available for everyone else in November. Following their actual use, I’d like to add a layer of final polishing (+ more art!) before we make a final print run. The printed final version will be available for free to all Bakcers, however you will have to pay for your nominal shipping label."

Ugh, well, as long as the typos are removed by then I'll pay for it..

 455_PWR wrote:
No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive. They are being sold at retail today. This type of thing is spoken about in bbb meetings and contract law. It is bad business and shows how well the creator values his investors and fans.

I have too many games anyway and never played kd:m yet, so selling it to play what I already use makes perfect sense in light of this. I used to buy everything to help support poots too, so not purchasing anymore product is a way of showing his companies support back.

As already mentioned, I would encourage you to go back and read the updates; they were always to be of limited availability and not exclusive. It's not a broken contract if that was never in the terms to begin with. While you can argue that you don't feel that Black Friday is "special" enough, it cannot be debated that they were ever intended to be KS exclusives. Certainly a forgivable oversight given the time elapsed, and for your convenience here are the promos with their relevant update and text:

Messenger of Humanity:

Messenger of the First Story:

Kara Black:

Messenger of the Spiral Path:

Messenger of Courage:

Candy and Cola:


As stated on my first post, it stuck in my craw at first to think it would have been cheaper (or the same, were I resinphile) to wait. As I look at the cost changes in the core game though, it's a trade-off that I, personally, am willing to make due to my higher investment in plastics. A Survivor-level game+Pinups and Promos at BF prices would cost $550 to buy today, versus the $425 that I would've spent on the KS. This is discarding the cost of the duplicate monsters and a few other models that came with the Survivor pledge and basically focusing in on the 3 armor kits. Again, there's two expansions in the wings that I wouldn't be shocked to see RRP at $40 and $60 for when they're released. Even with those omissions from the value though, that's a 30% return for two years wait; that is not "nothing" even if 18 models would've been cheaper on a sale day in hindsight.

As I said though, that's my view of the situation owing to my own purchases which I'm just providing as a differing viewpoint. Others, especially people with lots of resin, may justifiably disagree with how the value equation worked out for them and that's their right to do so; in their shoes I may feel a similar level of slight.

When is the Monster box actually going to be available to buy in the shop in old fashioned "go in and pick it off the shelf" in the UK?

Never at a guess,

Adam is not keen on distribution (with demands for big discounts from the retailers, potential discounting diluting the boutique brand etc),

(reading between the lines CMON and Full Metal Planet in Japan don't demand the 'normal' levels, the UK used to have an outlet operating on the same line in the form of the now defunct Maelstrom games but now that's gone I doubt we'll get another sadly)

 Krinsath wrote:

Candy and Cola:

Spoiler:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/380543

Survivor Candy & Cola is based on Soda Pop Miniature's Candy & Cola and she appears in both of their two games. ( Super Dungeon Explore and Relic Knights ) The Survivor version was designed by myself and Lokman and is being sculpted by a Kingdom Death sculptor. She will be available through this kickstarter and in the future be available in a limited fashion for various promotions.

I thought Sopa Pop and Kingdom Death had an agreement that made promotional figures between their IPs non-limited which would make all the Twilight Knight stuff offered by SPM and Candy & Cola offered through KD, general releases.

Also, as a KD:M backer, I'd really like an artwork pack containing the 6" x 4" prints for the pinups and promos offered during the KS. I've always liked the paper components that come with KD models and would be willing to pay for such an offering.

 455_PWR wrote:
No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive.

Really? Prove it. Provide a link to where those plastic pinups were KS-only exclusive. I'll wait...

 455_PWR wrote:
Ridiculous, this is how we are rewarded for our support many years ago.

Wow. Talk about a sense of entitlement. Let's put some ice on that swollen ego and look at the facts. You were rewarded for your support by getting product at a steeply discounted rate. The fact that Poots is continuing to sell that product in his web store has no bearing on the Kickstarter or your participation in it. In fact, the whole point of the Kickstarter was to make a product that he could then sell to people, not to make something only for you.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 455_PWR wrote:
No that's not extreme. They were labeled as kickstarter only exclusive.

Really? Prove it. Provide a link to where those plastic pinups were KS-only exclusive. I'll wait...

IIRC the only KS Exclusive items in plastic were "Adam & Anna Explorers of Death!"

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Never at a guess,

Adam is not keen on distribution (with demands for big discounts from the retailers, potential discounting diluting the boutique brand etc),

(reading between the lines CMON and Full Metal Planet in Japan don't demand the 'normal' levels, the UK used to have an outlet operating on the same line in the form of the now defunct Maelstrom games but now that's gone I doubt we'll get another sadly)

No plans to sell abroad other than through the KD website? I'm out then. It's a hefty enough purchase as it is, without the massive shipping costs that are gonna be involved.

Ha! Entitlement... yup I guess I feel that way when I cough up a ton of cash now for limited items. Sorry you don't feel the same but you aren't changing my mind, say what you will.

Some of the items still had the ks exclusive stamp... whatever. Fo

Found something new(?) while poking around the artist listed in the KD rule book



labelled as Snail Knight for Kingdom Death from Linda Tomko

 455_PWR wrote:
Ha! Entitlement... yup I guess I feel that way when I cough up a ton of cash now for limited items. Sorry you don't feel the same but you aren't changing my mind, say what you will.

Some of the items still had the ks exclusive stamp... whatever. Fo

So where does it say that? On a box? A KS update? In an email from Poots? A Twitter or KS comment?

There are really only two states for the items to be in; they are either KickStarter exclusives or they are not. You have come here and stated that they are, while I and others have pointed out to you, with independently verifiable evidence, that they are not and never were. This leaves us with two possibilities:

1) You are in possession of evidence that supports your position that people, including evidently the project creator, are unaware of or otherwise overlooked.

2) You read something into the agreement that was never really there, and further do not wish to concede your error as you spent sizable sums on that assumption.

Unfortunately, it seems the second option is the more likely at the moment, as I've not been able to find evidence supporting your position to date. Thus in a similar vein, I could be upset with you for not selling me the armor kits out of the boxed game for $20 each (including shipping) in a private eBay auction like you said you were going to do in this thread. Going back to your posts however, we can see all you mentioned was the likelihood of selling them on eBay; I have inserted those extra conditions on my own. However, it'd be unfair to say you were in breach of our contract on that basis and other Dakkaites would be right to point that out.

Being wrong on the exclusivity doesn't invalidate your right to do what you want with your possessions of course. That you're too busy to make good use of the game is plenty-enough reason to sell off things. However, if you're going to part ways with a rather sizable investment, shouldn't it be for reasons that are true like that one rather than being based on something you can't prove? In the future, when you've had time to reflect, abandoning that investment over what currently appears to be imagined slights is a potent recipe for regret when denial wears off.

Naturally, if you have something showing that the models offered yesterday were to be KickStarter exclusives then I'd be quite interested in seeing it.

Okay guys, I think the "exclusive or not" argument has been beaten to death (especially since in some ways they are actually both - KS and "special event" exclusive).

Both sides have been clearly articulated, so please agree to disagree and let the thread move on at this point... thanks!

Have we heard any updates on when the art book is coming out? I don't really follow very closely.

None that I am aware of.

I seem to recall a tentative nebulous date of Q1 2016. But that might be the fevered imagination of this poor turkey-saturated mind.

Has anyone here that made a Black Friday order received anything?

 youwashock wrote:
Has anyone here that made a Black Friday order received anything?

No, but I did get a notice on Friday that my Black Friday Order had shipped. Should be here by the middle of the week.

I got mine Friday

 RivenSkull wrote:
I got mine Friday

Glad to hear that. Haven't received a shipping notice yet and simply assumed that the holidays were having their usual effect on shipping.

Got nothing here, either.

I did not receive a shipping notice, but my box was sitting on my front step yesterday. Yay more armor kits.

I can chime in I received my packages Friday.

So, just had an email back from the team at kingdom death to do with the black Friday sale.

Apparently the 54mm preacher was put up by mistake and due to a glitch they oversold the lion knight II. Can't say I'm particularly thrilled by this development, especially as I was sat there for a good three hours, mashing the refresh button so I didn't miss any of these minis.

I know that with black Friday everything's pretty hectic and mistakes will be made but I cant help but feel that this could all have been avoided by not spontaneously putting out miniatures with no warning in stupidly small quantities.

/rant

Slightly OT, but Merry Christmas post from Lokman, the main artist on KD.

Will they be selling the Christmas model again this year?

Shop has a banner that says they're closed...

New stuff up at Kingdom Death!





Edit: Note that, as Sinful Hero points out, KD will not ship anything until January 15th as they're closed for the holidays.

First one is same as last year, second one is new?

Second one is from the KS.


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It's a bit misleading though, showing off the cards with ingame content, those aren't included, unless it's a KS only thing where we don't get those.

The card is listed in the contents on the online store, do you mean the card is new and KS backers didn't get it?

Holiday Nico was originally marketed as part of the KS campaign. I suppose Adam had her changed to a General Release.

 Baragash wrote:
The card is listed in the contents on the online store, do you mean the card is new and KS backers didn't get it?

I believe the event card is included in this general release. I can't remember if it was in my KD:M stuff or will accompany the next fulfillment wave.

From what I recall all card content from the add-ons will not be included with KS waves, but instead require you to pay for shipping if you really want them.

Also it's not mentioned, but the holiday Twilight Knight is a 54mm miniature.

Yeah, I'm assuming holiday white speaker's card will be with the other promo content, since it was specifically mentioned during the KS rather than some later add-on.

And the holiday TK is... not a favorite: too big and an awkward pose means I'll be proxying the gear/card.

Is all the expansion content going to be for sale eventually?

Seems like the answer would be an obvious "yes" but I guess if any outfit is liable to do something weird like keep expansions exclusive in lieu of profit it'd be KD.

Thinking about grabbing the game, but - as impressive as it is - I don't know if it has enough longevity to justify the pricetag. Seven monsters ain't all that many, and I wish the game came with more of them and less comprehensive survivor gear... but I'm interested enough in the game that I'll gladly overlook that if I know I'll be able to add foes in the future.

In theory probably,

but almost certainly you'll have to buy direct from KD rather than any of it hitting wider distribution

I wouldn't count on this hitting wider distribution.

He has said he doesn't want this hitting discount sites, so more than likely it's going to be through his site mostly.

Also expansions haven't shipped to backers yet, but yes they will be made available after all Kickstarter rewards have been shipped.

Is there a list of promo rules items that werent included in the kickstarter somewhere? Things like the xmaxe and the white speaker event, etc?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Is there a list of promo rules items that werent included in the kickstarter somewhere? Things like the xmaxe and the white speaker event, etc?

Off the top of my head-
1. Gencon lantern promos
2. Christmas Axe
3. Pinups of Death special event

Is there a special event with the Holiday White Speaker as well?

There's not been a lot


Jack O' Lantern KD:M Promotional Gear Card with the Halloween twilight knight


Vibrant and Dying lanterns with the Scifi Twilight knight OR if you played at gencon


A Strange spot settlement event & Belt of gender swap gear card


Xmax gear card + 3 plastic weapons


there's also Holiday Nico which came with an event card but she was also part of the KS and I expect those who got her to be sent the card along with the other 'special event' stuff when that gets printed

Forgot about the Halloween gear card!

I wonder what I did with that...

Weren't there some KD promo/LE figures that were included in other companies kickstarters?

These have no KDM rules.

A few of them will have cards available after Wave 2. My promo Kara Black promised a gear card and a painting guide.

There's a scenario with Kara Black in that alpha-document a few pages back.

I am sure he asked for KD LE models included in other companies KS, not other companies characters included as LE models in KDM.

What I asked about was anything that wasnt included with the KD:M kickstarter

Partly relevant to the KS and coming expansions, partly relevant to upcoming stuff and why they haven't had anything on sale this month

Short status update from Adam on Boardgamegeek:

"We are working around the clock to resolve all our customer service issues. In the last 90 days we have had 5,000 tickets. Our board game manufacturer left us with many, many issues adding that to the more normal per sales issues has created a backlog.

This is actually why we are not having a sale this month!

In the future we are moving to have much stricter policies as honestly, I suspect abuse at this point. We get hundreds of tickets a day and the majority of them are far from rational."

that's a crazy number of tickets (from about 5000 backers and I'd guess probably no more than 2000 buyers if that from the black Friday and Christmas releases)

May explain the black hole my ticket went into...
I was thinking of following up on it but guess I'll wait a bit longer.

Mine took maybe 3 days to get a response...

Wow, I'm jealous. My initial ticket took 13 days before I got a response back in October, 3 weeks and 6 days since their response for the replacement to be shipped out. I got the shipment 4 days later but sadly it was not what I was suppose to get and I just now realized it's been about 2 months since their last response. I was afraid they may flag my ticket as abuse since I've gotten two incorrect models so far (initial shipment and replacement).

Sounds like a bunch of bods are taking the piss a bit. Wonder what some of the more outrageous claims are like...?

Probably super mad that they didn't get an immediate reply...

 kilcin wrote:
Wow, I'm jealous. My initial ticket took 13 days before I got a response back in October, 3 weeks and 6 days since their response for the replacement to be shipped out. I got the shipment 4 days later but sadly it was not what I was suppose to get and I just now realized it's been about 2 months since their last response. I was afraid they may flag my ticket as abuse since I've gotten two incorrect models so far (initial shipment and replacement).

IDK, took pics of what was damaged and explained briefly but thoroughly what was missing- having been on the other end of customer service, I know that the easier to substantiate and understand, the more likely I was to bump things to the front of the list because they're easy to resolve and get off the list. Or maybe I was just lucky.

I sent a ticket about an order missing a full size art card(that apparently didn't come with one!), and it took a few weeks to get a response.

Sounds like the error is with KD:M so I wonder the issues could be and why the delay. Maybe a lot of people got it as a Christmas present or finally had time enough to sift through their stuff.

Bummer about the mass of tickets. This is probably really delaying the last wave of the KS.

I was missing a bunch of things, a slight mixup in one of the armour packs, and a missing base. I got everything shipped except for the art card. For some reason the guy must have forgotten to include it. And i havent bugged them about it even though i really want that card.

 greywulf wrote:
I was missing a bunch of things, a slight mixup in one of the armour packs, and a missing base. I got everything shipped except for the art card. For some reason the guy must have forgotten to include it. And i havent bugged them about it even though i really want that card.

In KD:M?

A resin illuminated lady.

Instead of a costly item (resin Phoenix) I got one I didn't order (resin starting survivors). It did get resolved very quickly, within hours.

Two out of my last three orders have had mistakes.

One of the kickstarter waves didn't include the Messenger of Humanity so I contacted them and they promptly sent me the missing figure.

My last order (from the Black Friday sale) contained an extra Rawhide Dame instead of one of the promo models, but I didn't contact them because I wasn't that bothered about the missing figure.

So, from my own experience and from what I have read in this thread, I think that there is a bit of an issue at KD HQ when it comes to packing.

Which is a shame, as it's obviously costing Adam a lot of money.

Yikes :/
Thats just a crazy number of tickets...


I had a minor issue back when we all got the promos- Like UDM I was missing the Messenger of Humanity- Wasnt too worried about it (already have a mountain of stuff here! xD), so I wasnt in any rush to get a new one. Really surprised me that they got back to me within days of the issue, and the messenger arrived soon after!

But then a peculiar thing happened, a month or two later I receive a random box from KD, and it was another Messenger... Guess that ticket didnt get cleared or something...

I guess then as far as abuse or not, it's a little of column A, a little of column B... I do echo zed's curiosity about the more outrageous claims though...
Maybe "Oh yeah I never got my full box in!"

 Ramos Asura wrote:


But then a peculiar thing happened, a month or two later I receive a random box from KD, and it was another Messenger... Guess that ticket didnt get cleared or something...

The exact same thing happened to me, which is part of the reason why I didn't open up another ticket regarding the missing promo figure.

I wonder how many other people it happened to?

Again, it indicates a problem at KD, rather than an excessive amount of people making false claims.

I didn't have the plastic twilight knight included (as I was dumb and only got the base game instead of a survivor pledge) but they did get me sorted out.

Somehow they ended up sending it to a location in New York, which was odd since I'm in California, but they actually contacted me about that one to double check my address.

...not that I've put that Twilight Knight together yet.

Well there is a new help site for them now (today)

http://kingdomdeath.com/support/

(the old one support@kingdomdeath.zendesk.com no longer works)

so I wonder if part of the problem has been the zendesk software not working quite right

Lol, thanks Orlando for the link; of course this morning I used zendesk to submit a reply to my previous ticket.

The one time I contacted them (about some missing bases, and a poor quality cast on the Satan Twins) they fixed me up right away.

My KS seemed to have everything I ordered too - though it took me a while to sort it out.

I was missing the free dude everyone got and the free chick everyone got. I emailed them, and they said they'd send the dude right out. I replied by asking if they meant the dude and the chick, and they ended up sending me an extra of one or the other. Seems like they have a problem somewhere in ticket fulfillment.


No, I can't remember what those minis are actually called, nor have I assembled any of them.

My KS phase 1 shipment was mispacked as well, although postively - I got 2 extra pin-ups over what I had pledged for. Looks like they had some issues with packing orders though reading through the last few pages.

I had a minor mispack in my Wave 1. I put in a ticket, but didnt yet receive the fix. I'll revisit in a bit.

When does Wave 2 ship?

Wave 2 has also already been sent out, wave 3 is all that remains now.

Wave 1 == small items
Wave 2 == KD:M boxed game
Wave 3 == expansions

Im kinda wanting to tell the wife to get me this for my 29th birthday, is it still in kickstarter process or am I able to just order the $400 game from the site and be good to go?

The KS is still to deliver the expansions,

but you should be able to order the base game direct from the KD store

http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/collections/in-stock/products/kingdom-death-monster

(direct orders seem to be taking a few weeks to ship as they are snowed under with KS stuff at the moment so keep this in mind before ordering)

I believe you can just order the game at this point; all the KS backers are waiting on at this point is the major expansions and the core game has been out in the wild for a while now.

It is worth noting that KD is a small company who normally takes a week or so to ship things out at the best of times, and they're reportedly swamped by support tickets at the moment. I would suspect that the processing time on new orders could be longer than usual. It might be fine since there's less thought that has to go into a new order, but something to be aware of if your birthday is very soon.

Edit: Ninja'd!

Very good to know, its not till April and I still have to pull the trigger on $400 novelty that my wife and I may play a few times, but I really want to paint the miniatures.

If you have until April, you might look for a bargain on eBay. You could probably save $50+ from a motivated seller.

New stuff in store

http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/collections/in-stock

Finally bit the bullet and got a Distracted. Going to have to send it somewhere to be commissioned, but I've loved the simplicity of that model for a long time.

I don't have experience with Kingdom Death, are those 28mm models (to eye height) and realistic proportions (as opposed to heroics)? I like the first model of the female ranger that Orlando posted above)

Damn that Black kngiht model is beautiful. £43.09 beautiful though i'm not sure.

 Wulfmar wrote:
I don't have experience with Kingdom Death, are those 28mm models (to eye height) and realistic proportions (as opposed to heroics)? I like the first model of the female ranger that Orlando posted above)

as an overall range the human figures are closer to 32-35 if they stood up straight as the image grabbed off the net shows below



the proportions are realistic and the quality is generally very good

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
I don't have experience with Kingdom Death, are those 28mm models (to eye height) and realistic proportions (as opposed to heroics)? I like the first model of the female ranger that Orlando posted above)

[...] the proportions are realistic and the quality is generally very good

"The proportions are realistic"... this made me chuckle a bit.

grefven wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
I don't have experience with Kingdom Death, are those 28mm models (to eye height) and realistic proportions (as opposed to heroics)? I like the first model of the female ranger that Orlando posted above)

[...] the proportions are realistic and the quality is generally very good

"The proportions are realistic"... this made me chuckle a bit.

well head and hands........

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

I meant this one in particular Grefven just compared to heroics like the GW ones with oversized hands and heads. (That said, the VK skeletons are more realistic sized, especially when you compare them to the VK zombies with huge bear hands).

Just browsing through the range, I must admit those monsters are soo Geiger-esque they disturb me and give me the creeps (aim achieved I expect!). Those female models have hips that would make an angel weep tears of joy.

Personal taste is for the armoured and clothed models for my games (especially frostgrave because it's nippy) but that said all the ones I've seen are excellently sculpted.

Anyone else only getting the USPS Priority Mail 1 Day shipment option?

Paying $26 shipping for 2 models isn't something I'm keen on.

I've seen some people on the facebook group saying that's all they're seeing

(so far only those getting one or more of everything which I though might be insurance related as Adam had said he has started to get a lot of what he suspected were iffy claims)

but others seem to see the basic option too,

try different browsers, and a computer if you're on a phone as if it's a glitch it might fix it

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I've seen some people on the facebook group saying that's all they're seeing

(so far only those getting one or more of everything which I though might be insurance related as Adam had said he has started to get a lot of what he suspected were iffy claims)

but others seem to see the basic option too,

try different browsers, and a computer if you're on a phone as if it's a glitch it might fix it

Different browsers and trying it on my phone did nothing to change it.

It looks like anything over $90 gets only the $26 shipping.

Not the happiest at having to choose between wasting a miniature's worth of money for shipping and dropping a miniature. .

I put in an order for $260 and my postage was only $14.14.

I think that is what my biggest problem is just the postage, $26 is just too much for me !Pity really as i love their models alot !

I'd never seen that Black Knight before.

Something about it just clicked with me.

Went ahead and ordered my very first KD resin.

Wish me luck with painting it!

Bah, I'm throwing a hissy fit! He releases a ton of models I want when I'm on a spending hiatus!

The Great Game Hunter Rogue is a pleasant surprise, she pops up in the art every now and again, fun to see her have that pipe as well.

Pity that Distracted is $50,- it is by far my favourite miniature pinup model out there.

 BrookM wrote:
The Great Game Hunter Rogue is a pleasant surprise, she pops up in the art every now and again, fun to see her have that pipe as well.

Pity that Distracted is $50,- it is by far my favourite miniature pinup model out there.

$50 yes, but 54mm! It's practically a steal!

 gunslingerpro wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
The Great Game Hunter Rogue is a pleasant surprise, she pops up in the art every now and again, fun to see her have that pipe as well.

Pity that Distracted is $50,- it is by far my favourite miniature pinup model out there.

$50 yes, but 54mm! It's practically a steal!

Alas, shipping bends us over once more though.

 BrookM wrote:
Alas, shipping bends us over once more though.

Well, it is Valentine's Day. One can think of getting bent over as par the course of this holiday.

And I'm pleasantly surprised to fine I'm able to buy any of the released figures so long after their sale began.

Ouch. Really feeling the pain on shipping here. First time I've been on time to see new Kingdom Death models, and it just so happens to coincide with a period of time in which money is tight because work is slow.

Would've loved that Black Knight and a squire or two.

Today just isn't my day.

 Dentry wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Alas, shipping bends us over once more though.

Well, it is Valentine's Day. One can think of getting bent over as par the course of this holiday.

And I'm pleasantly surprised to fine I'm able to buy any of the released figures so long after their sale began.

seems some at least may have started with 1000 casts instead of 3-500

Can anyone link the campaign perk for this sale? Seen it in the email, and can't figure out how to link it myself through my phone.

+1 population for your campaigns of KD:Monster this week!

That the one?

Clicking it in the email will for some stupid reason link to the Halloween model.

Hoping they will do another pinup or a similar box, release with several in one box.

That art is cute, I like it. As I also like all of the new models released here, alas, I shan't buy any as they have no game content! I think it seems almost a certainty that we'll get the Black Knight in Monster eventually, we have the White Knight as well, so we just need another "colo(u)r" knight. There was also that Snail Knight that was leaked/shown/previewed/whatever a while ago, so we may get even more knights! All the knights! Huzzah!

At least, I feel that way. I would also say that a "Pinups of Death II" box will happen eventually, I'm almost positive of it. That's why I don't buy resin pinups. And resin scares me.

Here we go!

From the Kickstarter comments it sounds like nobody has gotten their BackerKit emails so don't freak out if yours is missing.

Seeing the photos I really wish I had gotten the Lonely Tree expansion, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

EDIT: Got my BackerKit email about 30 minutes after the announcement, so they are going out.

I just turned in my survey. I'm getting one of everything. Super excited. The Tree looks awesome.

This was my list from the pledge manager. Pretty much everything I won't have to hide from the 5 year old.

QTY ITEM
1 Dragon King Expansion
1 Lonely Tree Expansion
1 Spidicules Expansion
1 Flower Knight Expansion
1 Slenderman Expansion
1 Herald of Death Expansion Pack
1 Lantern Festival Expansion

So happy I added on the Lonely tree; that thing looks sick.

So...if all I've ordered before in the initial backerkit was expansions and I've paid for international shipping already, I somehow still have to top up 17 usd? Why????

Because shipping got more expensive.

Really? So you guys got your base game shipped for the initial shipping cost while I haven't received my base pledge and I somehow have to top up shipping on top of what I've paid for international shipping in the first place.

Sining wrote:
Really? So you guys got your base game shipped for the initial shipping cost while I haven't received my base pledge and I somehow have to top up shipping on top of what I've paid for international shipping in the first place.

If it's a weird special case you'll probably have to contact support.

Sining wrote:
Really? So you guys got your base game shipped for the initial shipping cost while I haven't received my base pledge and I somehow have to top up shipping on top of what I've paid for international shipping in the first place.

I would suggest e-mailing their support and explaining the situation. I hate to say it, but yours is an edge case that probably covers no more than a handful of international backers, so doesn't get accounted for in the one size fits all $17 charge.

Anyone know what their support email is?

From the update

Support related messages must be submitted via kingdomdeath.com/support

Ok, thanks

You guys are able to add additional expansion packs? I'm not getting any option to do so.

I had to change my address again. Hopefully they'll get it changed before anything ships.

Can't believe it's been 3 years (?) since the KS ended.

No, no add-ons except the tip jar, but you'll see what expansions you have added during the confirmation step.

 RivenSkull wrote:
You guys are able to add additional expansion packs? I'm not getting any option to do so.

As Triple9 said, nobody can add anything. Adam states in the update that no more pledge modifications are allowed. You can only tip for what you're already getting, in addition to the mandatory shipping charge.

Aww. The Lantern Festival isn't shipping yet. I was looking forward to guns, crossbows, and a higher-tech city.

This means it's going to be even cooler than originally expected, right?

I assume such will be the case. Everything from KD:M has exceeded expectations, I believe. That includes fulfillment dates - not that I'm holding that against it.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Aww. The Lantern Festival isn't shipping yet. I was looking forward to guns, crossbows, and a higher-tech city.

This means it's going to be even cooler than originally expected, right?

We can only hope. No telling though.

Triple9 wrote:
No, no add-ons except the tip jar, but you'll see what expansions you have added during the confirmation step.

Yeah, I had misread your earlier post about the Tree. I didn't see that you had listed it as part of your original addons

Happily paid shipping.

This is one of the few cases where the amount of junk I'm getting well and truly deserves a little help ensuring it gets here considering how much costs have gone up since this thing ended.

Speaking of things going up- Dragon King over 125? Wow. Glad I got one of everything when I had the chance!

Happy I nabbed the tree and the lion god in the end, as I almost passed on them.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Happily paid shipping.

This is one of the few cases where the amount of junk I'm getting well and truly deserves a little help ensuring it gets here considering how much costs have gone up since this thing ended.

Speaking of things going up- Dragon King over 125? Wow. Glad I got one of everything when I had the chance!

Happy I nabbed the tree and the lion god in the end, as I almost passed on them.

Yeah, I threw an extra $10 in as well. Not a lot, but I can't think of any other KS that I've gladly opened up my wallet for an I foreseen expense.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Happily paid shipping.

This is one of the few cases where the amount of junk I'm getting well and truly deserves a little help ensuring it gets here considering how much costs have gone up since this thing ended.

Speaking of things going up- Dragon King over 125? Wow. Glad I got one of everything when I had the chance!

Happy I nabbed the tree and the lion god in the end, as I almost passed on them.

Amen. Pure satisfaction looking at my wave 3 shipping contents. The only possible regret is not getting more.

Managed to get my issue resolved so I'm happy

I'm not going to Lie....Paying for shipping, and seeing a tip jar there really rankles me.

Ehh - it's a little obnoxious to have a tip jar, I agree (especially with the extra shipping charges)

But if some super fans want to donate it's no skin off my nose. And he's clearly been underwater on things for a while now cost-wise.

Paid my shipping and tipped a little more myself.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Paid my shipping and tipped a little more myself.

same here

Well. I can't find my survey and the link they provide on their site keeps crashing.

I am not amused by the request for additional shipping.

I hope he rectifies it, shipping included means shipping included.

I'll gladly pay the $17 extra, we're already getting an excellent deal right now as is, with almost every expansion (not to mention the core game) having grown exponentially in size and content over time. It's a small price to pay for not having to cough up insane amounts of customs and whatnot.

I wonder if we'll finally get proper construction guides though..


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I do wonder why the Lantern Festival is shoved aside and if that will bring extra cost with it as well..?

I think its almost 30 for me, I would probably ignore it easier if it was not yet another KS extra shipping payment I cannot pay because my country is still capital control blocked.

Paid additional shipping, not thrilled by it and agree with the tip jar comments but I'll swallow it as the KS has been worth it, however I will go from not thrilled to full on unimpressed if we then get charged again for shipping of the lantern festival.

$17 extra for shipping so that I don't have to pay the expected extortionate customs fees? Yes please!

Shame about the one shots not working as he wanted. I thought they looked kinda fun, but at least the cards will appear at some point

I'm more than delighted to pay and extra $17 shipping since the expansions are coming from within the EU (I was expecting them to come direct from the USA and cost be a bunch of extra in customs)

I agree it's a shame the one shots didn't work as well as Adam hoped (although played solo they are fun they are hard to work into a campaign, and when playing with multiple players)

 BrookM wrote:
I wonder if we'll finally get proper construction guides though..

I'm betting it's still on his to-do list since he says:

Speaking of Vibrant, there is also vibrant lantern, a website run by a single gentlemen whom has done our little community a HUGE service. Putting together build guides when I have been too busy dealing with all the “un-fun” parts of the project.
THANK YOU VIBRANTLANTERN.COM !

I'm taking that to mean he's been working on them but is unable to finish as his attentions are required elsewhere. Could be wrong, though.
Edit: Also just saw on build.kingdomdeath.com he mentions the fan site as a stop-gap until he's able to finish the task.

I still think it's sloppy, but oh well.

That last update did it.
I'm officially COMPLAINING.


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I really should've backed this project ;(

Grumble grumble paying for shipping. Hold on, what's this?

Tip Jar of Death

Cheeky fether

I can live with the project being late and the extra shipping costs, but he lack of construction guide is imo rather insulting. Even then, this KS has been a resounding succes, and I'm really happy with the quality of the final product. Since the expansions are already in the nationals warehouse, I guess we'll recieve them in 1 or 2 weeks max.

He promised they'd be online before it would all go up for retail or something.

No complaining from me - I will throw money at Poots to make sure he stays in Business and keeps pumping those resins out . 17$ shipping charge is not even a blip . I threw double that into the tip jar to help out and I live in NY state .

Kingdom Death ended up being ten times better of a game than I expected it to be, and I would hate to see this guy go under.

While I normally loathe tipping culture since it became mandatory, versus the intention of rewarding extraordinary service, I feel Poots delivered in spades, and threw in more happily, alongside my shipping costs.

I only wish I bought more. I got the game, and the six biggest expansions, but now stuff like Slenderman looks so damn good.

Each time Poots opened up the manager I bought something I didn't have until I had them all. I'm so glad I did.

Who's the lady standing with the tree?

It looks like a plastic illuminated lady model, but I can't be certain.

I get the two extra people standing with the Dung Beetle, as they're at least showing off his gear that can be acquired.

Is the lady with the tree just there for size reference? Curious.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Kingdom Death ended up being ten times better of a game than I expected it to be, and I would hate to see this guy go under.

While I normally loathe tipping culture since it became mandatory, versus the intention of rewarding extraordinary service, I feel Poots delivered in spades, and threw in more happily, alongside my shipping costs.

I only wish I bought more. I got the game, and the six biggest expansions, but now stuff like Slenderman looks so damn good.

You guys also got everything for like 1/10 of the price

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Who's the lady standing with the tree?

It looks like a plastic illuminated lady model, but I can't be certain.

I get the two extra people standing with the Dung Beetle, as they're at least showing off his gear that can be acquired.

Is the lady with the tree just there for size reference? Curious.

The figure is called the Lonely Muse, and is some extra game element that was added when the tree went from being just a bit of scenery to being something that affected the battlefield and fought back. No idea what she does though...
There is a clearer view of her on BGG

I am going to see if he can prorate my shipping since I only pledged for add ons. Shipping was included already, and it was wayyyy more than the cost of shipping my wave 1 tiny box of 5 Kingsmen.

Another $17 for two expansions is not making me feel good.

Huh. Not sure how the Lonely Muse snuck by me. Can't recall seeing her mentioned in an update, but I'm all for more figures to be included.

Come March I can finally begin my first campaign (and probably finish building the Watcher and Phoenix since they're both half done).

Im not happy with the $17 shipping, but it is what it is and I want my stuff.. His absurd lack of communication I was entirely expecting this update to say expansions would be shipping from China in several months, but to find out everything is already here takes the sting off the shipping. Im glad the models are amazing because I do not think the game play is. I primarily backed to get my hands on the models so meh..

Backed this through a friend for a few of the pin ups.

Why didn't I just stump up the cash and buy in fully :(

I was wary because of the PVC aspect (I've got the experiment of death and it was a little lacking) but after the switch to HIPS... so sad :(

The saving from the KS to production is insane, I wonder how bad the final losses will be, regardless of how well the KS went.

Honestly, I personally don't see it. The people that knew about KD backed the kickstarter and probably got everything they needed. I don't see people going into a store and buying a $200 board game and seeing one expansion at $120, and not walking away.

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Agreed, the value is well worth it, and if you know and understand Kingdom Death, and enjoy modeling and painting, sure. But as a Board Game I don't see sales offsetting the lost funds from this Kickstarter, IF they are as bad as it sounds. I get the vibe that Poots it trying to just break even, if he sold us those expansions for less than it actually cost to even make them, then I assume he is in the RED on this project.

I had assumed that was why we've seen such a drastic jump in the price of the base game, to hopefully offset the cost of everything else.

It's not like people aren't jumping in either, or chomping at the bit regardless of price for some of the expansions.

I know there's been plenty of potential buyers on BGG clamoring for the expansions.

I know that I'll be buying the (few) expansions that I didn't get, and I don't mind the price too much. The game is great and I hope to help keep the company alive so they can produce more products.

I'd actually also be on board for more "cheap" expansions.

Honestly, stacks of new gear, events, etc... would do more to extend the game's life at this point.

I definitely want all of the expansions, but feel pretty content as to where variety of monsters to fight will end up. Bring on the random dungeon crawls "Kingdom Death: Heroes" though!

I gladly paid the shipping, with everything I bought from the Kickstarter for significantly cheaper than it will now sell for? Yeah, I can pay my shipping. I would have thrown some to the Tip Jar of Death if I wasn't so damned broke right now, too, though I can understand how some people are a little grumbly over it.

I do think it's good to keep in mind that the Dragon King is easily one of the bigger (if not the biggest!) expansion(s), so I highly doubt they will all carry the $120 price tag. In the initial KS, I grabbed every expansion except for the Lion God and Lonely Tree. I nixed the Tree because it didn't really add much to the game, though, now that there are rumblings of the Lonely Muse being an actual hunt monster, I'll have to buy it! Still standing by my decision against the Lion God, though. Don't like the model, and it doesn't add armor sets.

I paid my $17, and am hoping my expansions (Flower Knight, Lion Knight, Manhunter, Dragon King, Gorm, Spidicules, & Sunstalker) some in sooner rather than later.

I am not surprised by the proposed pricing for the Dragon King major expansion, based on the kit size and detail. For comparison, GW's Imperial Knight Warden MSRP is over $150!

It's been a long ride these past 3 years, and it's exciting to see it finally reach an end.
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ETA to specify expansions; no, I didn't get the Dung Beetle Knight.

Seeing as all expansions have already been shipped to the distribution centres prior to this all, shipping them out now shouldn't be taking too long. Maybe a month tops?

If anybody fancies getting rid of any of the expansions when they arrive please pm me, regret not getting the whole lot now. (I think I need lonely tree, slender man, spidicule, gorm, sun stalker, possibly the man hunter too)

I picked up less expansions than I remember, but Poots may catch the cash in retail later, so I don't feel too badly about it.

I think I got the Tree, Slenderman, Flower Knight, and Lantern festival. Wished I'd had the Dragon, but eh. I was being cheap at the time.

Extra shipping doesn't bother me (I could see why EUR or ROW could be bothered, but whatever). He's put out a premium product for far, far less cost than anyone expected. Sure, he should've budgeted better etc etc, but I feel for him as a creator.

 gunslingerpro wrote:
I could see why EUR or ROW could be bothered, but whatever

Assuming one ordered many/all expansions, I'm not sure even with the increase in shipping that they're making out worse compared to what they shelled out for in 2013 when it was all going to be shipped from NY, USA. Since now the expansions are being shipped from within the EU, I'm pretty sure there will be no customs which for large orders could have added up to quite a bit. Plus in some countries (such as the UK), there's fees to be paid for the collection of the customs fees...and I'm sure a tax on the fee for the fee. So if your country is somewhat slapdash about customs it would be a diceroll on being worse/about the same/better. If your country is brutally efficient at collecting customs (Hi Germany!) then you're likely to be better off.

That presumes you have many expansions though; I've seen folks that ordered one or two expansions where it's a bit steep. Poots in the comments does seem willing to work with people who have special hardship or other considerations (e.g. - Military, lack of credit card, etc.).

 Krinsath wrote:
... Plus in some countries (such as the UK), there's fees to be paid for the collection of the customs fees...and I'm sure a tax on the fee for the fee. So if your country is somewhat slapdash about customs it would be a diceroll on being worse/about the same/better.

In the UK it's more commonly known as the Royal Mail feth you fee

Poots definitely put together a super-premium boutique product. Exceeding his original spec by a considerable margin, and that drove some additional cost. Had he killed more of his darlings during editing, the game might be a bit tighter and the cost somewhat more in line with original expectations.

Damn it. Since he intensified his desperately childlike bleating today I just put in the $17...to ship one expansion...which I already paid shipping on since all I ordered were expansions. I'm definitely going to follow up on this when I'm less busy, especially if he tries to charge again for the Lantern Festival.

Not happy.

Another tibit from Adam in the comments,

the Herald of Death stuff comprising the Lion Knight Expansion, Manhunter Expansion and Green Knight mini-expansion (free to $300+ backers) cost about $100,000 to develop

If I had known the charge was coming, I could have budgeted for it.

You totally should message him Bob, from the sound of things he'd be happy to deal with outlier situations like yours.

I'm really curious about the lantern festival. If the Dragon, Sunstalker, and Spidicules boxes ended up as big as they did...

We could be in for an ever bigger box, along with extra shipping charges in the end.

Lantern Festival is likely to be as large as Dragon King. If there is a shipping surcharge, it should be less than the $17 that was recently assessed.

Extra shipping fee is BS, only giving people 24 hours to pay it is BS, being a flat rate no matter how many expansion you ordered is BS (I only ordered 1), being 2 1/2 years late is BS.

I really don't care how much they will eventually retail for compared to what I paid at this point.

The models are lovely and all but I am amazed at how much slack most people are giving this project. If someone like cmon or mantic had handled a project like this the internet would be on fire.

And people say I'm harsh for being pissed that there are still no instructions.

I imagine the leniency can be attributed to a few things: the quality of the product; the flat shipping benefitting those with many expansions; the savings over retail.

As has been pointed out, those things don't necessarily matter to everyone but I believe they matter to most.

Im with you Tamereth, Im not the most vocal on the forums but I have expressed displeasure with the update progress, and some of the shipping issues. Its all generally met with the same line of reasoning and excuses. Poots was a business prior to the kickstarter, he should have known what he was getting into. I would venture to say had people been complained more up front about things rather than patting him on the back and telling him its ok, we would not have seen the shipping fees.

@Dentry Ya, having $17 shipping for ALL the expansions, I cannot argue as much as say, Tamereth. I think Poots either didnt think it through, or he is using the people who are over paying for shipping to balance out the people not paying enough. We will never really know though.

 Tamereth wrote:
The models are lovely and all but I am amazed at how much slack most people are giving this project.

If someone like cmon or mantic had handled a project like this the internet would be on fire.

The models *are* lovely, and *HUGE*, and that is why Adam gets as much slack as he gets. Yes, he could have done a better job communicating, but he has been working (hard) on the project, and he is delivering. Ultimately, we are all going to get all of the stuff we're supposed to get, and it will be of the highest quality that Adam can produce. That counts for something. Cheap & GREAT is why it's late!

If this were a CMoN activity, things would have delivered on time, but it would have been small, rubbery PVC models and very mediocre production quality. CMoN gives you what you pay for, and they are timely. Fast & Cheap, as it were.

No experience with Mantic, though my sense is that they work the "cheap" part of the triangle like crazy.

If you want to see the Internet on fire, I am willing to sell my Robotech stake to you, plus actual S&H from me to you. Aside from the Wave 1 base game, it looks like delivery has been pushed to 2017, assuming Palladium delivers...

All in all, I'm OK with Kingdom Death, and would likely support a small KS with them in the future.

You only have 24 hours to pay for it? Where did it say that?

the warehouse wants things out the door double quick since they are overbooked (i'm guessing the KD stuff arrived later than planned either to do with china, shipping from there or customs so we're right at the end of the booked window)

so if you don't pay by the 18th you may not catch the first round of shipping they do (after which they'll be doing other shipping for other people and have to come back to KD when they're done probably towards the end of march)

but i'm sure as long as you pay in a reasonable time you'll get your stuff eventually

(the please complete and pay within 24hrs is in the update, the why came from Adam in the comments)

Yes, but some of us cannot pay even though we want (despite the complains) and tried immediately.

Did anyone catch where the US orders are going to be shipped from? L.A. like the core game or NY (self-shipped) like Wave 1 or new warehouse?

As these are large boxes and expansions (only), I'm assuming LA like the core. NY was a messy pick-and-pack operation.

 BrookM wrote:
And people say I'm harsh for being pissed that there are still no instructions.

Well, I'm basically paying shipping I already paid instead of pledging for Shielwolf's shieldmaidens, so that stung. I also don't have time to work things out right now with Poots since I'm busy and he has a deadline. Plus, a lot of the harshness comes from guilt as well as anger, because I can sympathise with that sinking, gnawing feeling he must have in his gut whenever he runs the numbers and sees how the don't add up, seeing the fruits of all his hard work and his vision slipping away from him in a vortex of despair. So, I want to help him out because of that sympathy but not enough to give up on new shinies, which makes me feel selfish. So I harden my heart. Then I do what always helps me feel better: go complain on the Internet.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
And people say I'm harsh for being pissed that there are still no instructions.

Well, I'm basically paying shipping I already paid instead of pledging for Shielwolf's shieldmaidens, so that stung. I also don't have time to work things out right now with Poots since I'm busy and he has a deadline. Plus, a lot of the harshness comes from guilt as well as anger, because I can sympathise with that sinking, gnawing feeling he must have in his gut whenever he runs the numbers and sees how the don't add up, seeing the fruits of all his hard work and his vision slipping away from him in a vortex of despair. So, I want to help him out because of that sympathy but not enough to give up on new shinies, which makes me feel selfish. So I harden my heart. Then I do what always helps me feel better: go complain on the Internet.

Have an exalt for honesty.

Yeah, as someone in a similar place to Bob re: understanding and sympathizing, I've some pretty mixed feelings on this last bit.

On one hand, I completely understand how frustrating it is to feel the need to go back on your word with delivery issues.

On the other, I feel he's not really taking sufficient responsibility for some things: it was his choice to make things more expensive (not that I'd ever complain about switching from PVC to HIPS) and it was his fault that things got late and cost more, and things have taken forever so there'd been plenty of time to put out instructions instead of work on post-KS new content.



...TL;DR: Don't have a problem with the extra shipping charge, but feel the lack of instructions and tip jar are tacky.

Every project I've managed via backer kit has had a tip jar, so I'm not certain if that is down to KD or just part of the platform?