It's a good example of the risks of having a project run wholly by someone who is very creative and has a certain vision, but doesn't know when to stop or have someone tell him or her what to look out for or keep in mind in the long run.
Raging Heroes also comes to mind with this in spades, though while they have overshot their projected dates by a long shot, they did stay well within their budget and delivered on their promises, without surprise fees or the like.
I think Creature Caster is also going down this road, judging from the odd updates and reactions to these I see in its respective thread.
As far as I can recall the tip jar is in backer kit as it would sometimes happen that a backer (any project) had some pledge money left over that they couldn't use up but they didn't want to add any extra funds, the total had to balance off to close the pledge so the tip jar was added to deal with any left over money. I've seen it in other pledge mangers for a similar reason.
All that said I think the tip jar here was set to multiples on $10 only and that was a choice made by the project creator.
Lack of Instructions is lame, some of these models are not straight forward to put together. A big thank you for all the guys putting out unofficial guides, they have been a great help.
That doesn't let Potts of the hook for not doing it himself.
I'm glad I'm not the only one upset by the way this was all handeled. The models are lovely, and some are massive. But this isn't the 41st millenium, the ends doesn't always justify the means.
BrookM wrote: It's a good example of the risks of having a project run wholly by someone who is very creative and has a certain vision, but doesn't know when to stop or have someone tell him or her what to look out for or keep in mind in the long run.
Totally agreed. Fantastic vision, lovely execution. No editorial control to rein things in.
BrookM wrote: It's a good example of the risks of having a project run wholly by someone who is very creative and has a certain vision, but doesn't know when to stop or have someone tell him or her what to look out for or keep in mind in the long run.
Totally agreed. Fantastic vision, lovely execution. No editorial control to rein things in.
Thank you, those were the words I was looking for.
I'm a few pages late but regarding the "tip jar" discussion - I don't think this is optional, or at least, with certain BackerKit packages it's required for it to be included on the add-ons page.
I have seen a few campaigns without it, so maybe in some configurations it can be removed... but just wanted to mention that that might not have been an intentional thing.
And so begins the madness wherein I check my inbox compulsively for a shipping confirmation. When it finally arrives, it will be replaced by compulsively checking the status.
The real question is, did you get a tracking number? As an ebay seller who has been stung by forgetting to supply a tracking number, im rather curious how much product Poots shipped out the door during wave 2 under false claims of lost items. I hope he does not make the same mistake twice.
Don't think Adam's handling the shipping for this wave. I believe that fall's to the guys at the warehouses holding the goods.
Krinsath wrote: And so begins the madness wherein I check my inbox compulsively for a shipping confirmation. When it finally arrives, it will be replaced by compulsively checking the status.
Don't forget to regularly check your front porch (or wherever your packages arrive) from now until arrival. I got the KD:M game before the shipping notification. Live in Southern California, though, so that certainly expedited things.
Chopxsticks wrote: The real question is, did you get a tracking number? As an ebay seller who has been stung by forgetting to supply a tracking number, im rather curious how much product Poots shipped out the door during wave 2 under false claims of lost items. I hope he does not make the same mistake twice.
For a project as large as KD:M, and the complexity of the pick&pack, I would be surprised if his error rate was less than 1%. Against the number of backers, I wouldn't be surprised if he had to make another 100-odd shipments to "fix things".
As for false claims, I would really hope that backers wouldn't be so craven.
Breotan wrote: I just got my UPS shipping notification so you guys should probably check your email.
Very cool. Nothing yet for me, but what did you have for expansions? Wondering if they're going from least complex to most complex.
Oh, and can you confirm where it's shipping from?
Sure.
Chopxsticks wrote: The real question is, did you get a tracking number? As an ebay seller who has been stung by forgetting to supply a tracking number, im rather curious how much product Poots shipped out the door during wave 2 under false claims of lost items. I hope he does not make the same mistake twice.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Yeah, you gotta give up the details! Let us know what's coming, and where it's coming from.
(Stares at his inbox screen in anticipation of shipping notification coming...)
Um.... okay.
We just shipped your order via UPS Ground. Here's what we shipped:
1 x Dragon King Expansion
1 x Sunstalker Expansion
1 x Lonely Tree Expansion
1 x Spidicules Expansion
1 x Dung Beetle Knight Expnasion
1 x Flower Knight Expansion
1 x Gorm Expansion
1 x Lion God Expansion
1 x Slenderman Expansion
1 x Herald of Death
Only reason I asked was because I was curious if they were sending orders out in terms of simplicity, but it looks like you went all in as opposed to just a few bits and pieces.
Bodes well for the rest of us who ordered just about everything!
greywulf wrote: I'm in Canada and nothing. I'm curious what the 24hr rush was if things aren't being sent out here right away.
For what it's worth, I'm in the US and haven't gotten an email either. The guy in the KS lives within 50mi of the distribution center and just got lucky to be at the top of the list, it seems.
It's seems crazy that they'd ship everything from (presumably) LA to Michigan for distribution. I thought the rush to get it out was that it was taking up expensive warehouse space?
Alpharius wrote: Not entirely true as I ordered every expansion and got a USPS priority mail 2-day tracking number!
That sounds expensive. You make special arrangements?
No, not at all!
No idea why it is shipping that way, but that's what the tracking info says.
Shipped on Wednesday, delivered this Friday.
It's possible that it is starting out with UPS or FedEx and being handed off to the USPS for final delivery. My wife buys/sells a ton of stuff, and increasingly that seems to be the low cost option: UPS delivers to your local post office and USPS takes it to your door. I don't know what the shipping confirmation looks like, but we send and receive a ton of stuff that both parties touch.
Yeah, that would be "SmartPost", and it's not uncommon, as UPS/FedEx don't like to do residential delivery. I'm just surprised that it's not straight UPS, as I recall them doing a lot of home delivery.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Yeah, that would be "SmartPost", and it's not uncommon, as UPS/FedEx don't like to do residential delivery. I'm just surprised that it's not straight UPS, as I recall them doing a lot of home delivery.
The men in brown probably had to stop due to mounting child support liability.
Shipping is so bonkers, We have a UPS delivery truck that comes down our street almost daily, so I know they make residential stops in our area, but ya, I see my UPS tracking either show up right from UPS or get passed off to USPS or DHL. One day Some unmarked sketchy pedo van dropped of a package.. I have no clue what company it was, just some dirt gray van and a dude jumps out and drops a package off at my door...
Yeah, I imagine that a dedicated shipping warehouse has software that looks at destination, weight and dimension and evaluates which shipper provides the lowest cost and fastest service. The USPS in particular has some very odd-seeming service areas where things get transported really, really fast. For example, there's a store in North Dakota (>1000 miles away) that if I order from them on a Monday, I will have the item on Wednesday. Meanwhile another location in Wisconsin (technically closer to me) will take 3-5 days at the same service level. Just the way the main routes fall, basically.
However, logistics companies live and die by that so I'd imagine they've got some pretty hefty software to fully optimize that process. It does have the net result of making it hard to say who will receive what from which company when though.
I've even had an occasional split shipment where one box has come by one courier and the other by somebody different because the size/weight made it more cost effective for the company
(fairly irritating for me waiting for the wrong van as they didn't tell me first though)
BrookM wrote: Never got a shipping thing or the like, but it arrived just now, big fething box alright.
I never knew it was possible to hate a Dutchman this much...like I feel the need to go to a mini-golf course and knock over a windmill and be like "yeah! take THAT!"
Seriously though, yay for receiving and maybe I too just never got a shipping notice and a ginormous box will be waiting this afternoon. Being in the US it probably means I've not been shipped yet...but if it can happen to Brook, it can happen to anyone right?
I'll be sure to think of all you poor sods when I check the contents of each box tonight. Not really looking forward to it, but it may be prudent to check, just in case they fethed up with one of these.
To repeat a complaint I am much loathed for by now: here's hoping the instructions will pop up sooner rather than never at this rate.
Alpharius wrote: Not entirely true as I ordered every expansion and got a USPS priority mail 2-day tracking number!
That sounds expensive. You make special arrangements?
No, not at all!
No idea why it is shipping that way, but that's what the tracking info says.
Shipped on Wednesday, delivered this Friday.
It's possible that it is starting out with UPS or FedEx and being handed off to the USPS for final delivery. My wife buys/sells a ton of stuff, and increasingly that seems to be the low cost option: UPS delivers to your local post office and USPS takes it to your door. I don't know what the shipping confirmation looks like, but we send and receive a ton of stuff that both parties touch.
Dunno what the arrangements are but my package was delivered by UPS.
Shortly after threatening Brook (well...his national heritage I suppose), I received my shipping information. Priority mail via USPS which looks like a 2-day transit time whenever it's actually shipped.
Clearly, these two things are related so we should all abuse BrookM to get our stuff!*
* - Don't actually do this people, BrookM is good people...for a Dutchman
Always seems I'm one of the first or one of the last to get rewards. I just wish Poots had given some inclination as to how long the process would take once started that way if I didn't get a notice in the first day or two, I could tune out for a bit.
Did a long and boring check of all boxes and everything is in order. I also decided to stick together some of the smaller kits, before I got another one of those derogatory "Uuuuugh, you must be stupid if you can't figure those out yourself" comments.
So, done right now are the Slenderman, Flower Knight, Poop Knight and Hunter, who comes with guns. Not fething crossbows like someone claimed, but actual guns. melon-fething guns. Guns your survivors can use. Guns. [MOD EDIT - PG-13, yeah? Alpharius] Oh and three of those cool witch hunter style hats, for when you really want to show off that sweet blackpowdah to the rest of the posse.
Another problem has arisen though: the core box is not big enough to hold all the expansion set cards. I went as far as to remove the resource and hunt event cards from each monster deck, but still not enough room. I've got six new monster decks still in plastic because I don't have proper space elsewhere.
Final thing, was the Gorm supposed to come with a Regen-suit pin-up?
So I had lost interest in this game with the long wait. I was about to sell my unplayed game/$1500 pledge along with over 2k of limited resins (going back to their fist minis ever made) to a local store for less than $1500... then I saw the expansions I will be recieving and am having second thoughts.
As a fan of 40k, aos, zombicide, dust, etc, how does this game compare? Is it worth holding onto, esp if I have no other gamers to share my game with (most of my family are very religious... ).
455_PWR wrote: So I had lost interest in this game with the long wait. I was about to sell my unplayed game/$1500 pledge along with over 2k of limited resins (going back to their fist minis ever made) to a local store for less than $1500... then I saw the expansions I will be recieving and am having second thoughts.
As a fan of 40k, aos, zombicide, dust, etc, how does this game compare? Is it worth holding onto, esp if I have no other gamers to share my game with (most of my family are very religious... ).
Firstly, it's a legitimately good game.
However, your comparisons are a bit off. It's not a wargame. It's closer to Zombicide in that it's completely cooperative. You, the players, make and name survivors from a settlement and the goal is to have the settlement survive until the end. The monsters you hunt and the ones that hunt you are brutal and will kill you or disable you... a lot. Much of the game is damage control.
If anything, it's almost more of an RPG than anything else. You gain stats, you gain gear, and you reroll a new character when your dies.
I have not played it anywhere near as much as I want to, but what very little I have leads me to believe it really is a great core gaming experience. It's brutally hard in it's default form, to that point that it's legitimately frustrating with the arbitrary insta-kills found with some things (Hunt Event Table, we're looking at you). The comparison to being a tabletop version of the video game Dark Souls isn't far off. Being a fully cooperative game though, it's much easier to reach an accord on house rules (e.g. - you can use your survival to avoid death during the Hunt Phase) than it would be in a competitive game where a player actually ran the monsters. It also makes it suitable for solo play, though obviously this is much less fun than in a group of like-minded people.
The way that the game somewhat organically tells the story does make it much more of an RPG than a wargame. In one tutorial match I had a friend who actually managed a natural crit on the lion's groin and gained the relevant resource card for castrating it. The next turn the lion turned around and hit them square in the head, decapitating them (a reasonable response, IMO). The lion died shortly thereafter, and the survivor death triggered an event in the settlement and further things happened to the survivors. Already in one 45 minute game session there had been an interesting story told mostly through the game itself. I believe in one interview Adam essentially stated that he loves RPGs, but he dislikes listening to six pages of description for the story; he'd much rather have short bits of text and most of the action played out in front of him and the game reflects that desire well. As mentioned by Absolutionis, you really don't focus on the survivors directly in the normal mode of play. This leads to campaigns taking on other stories as the next survivor created by the player in the tutorial was granted the honorific "the Ding-Dong Belle" as clearly there was an order of brave warrior-women started by that heroic survivor.
It's also a game where the player(s) choices matter, and they will be called upon to make a great many of them. While luck plays a decent
role in getting good outcomes, there's a great deal of "did we make the best choices to succeed?" to the game as well. The smart play can vary by enemy and even from campaign to campaign. Combined with the overall difficulty of the game itself, these many choices to be made by the players make success feel like much more of an accomplishment; success in KD:M almost never happens by accident, it happens because YOU set the events in motion to make it happen.
Turning to what first caught my eye about the project, the hobby aspect is greatly enjoyable to me. I have a toolbox/parts organizer where I have the various bodies, weapons and so forth broken out by "type". I plunk that down in front of someone with the armor set cards so they have an idea of what the armors look like and say "what do you think looks cool?" and they build a model they like. Instantly they're invested in what happens to those survivors because "that's the one *I* made" versus "that's generic hero 4327." It's another way the game grabs its players to draw them into the story they're telling with their group.
It's not a perfect game, but in the tabletop miniatures realm it's probably one of the more compelling narrative experiences I've seen come along. If you like playing an active role in a game, enjoy a good story and want to face a difficult challenge, then KD:M is going to be a top-notch game in your library. If you do not like those things then somewhat obviously it's a much more marginal situation.
I am so jealous of everyone getting their stuff! I'll have nine expansions coming to me, but no shipping yet. I'm going crazy! I am happy for you guys who've gotten their stuff, though.
But I hate you a teensy bit.
Edit: I googled where people are saying the shipping originates from, it's about nine hours away from me! It would be (almost) worth it to me to drive the nine hours to get it. Of course, I realize that I'm like an impatient child at the moment, but, damn it, this is (plastic) crack we're talking about! Lives are literally on the line! Figuratively!
I unpacked all of mine last night. My advice for everyone receiving all the expansions: have a trash bag ready for all the packing peanuts that are in every expansion's box.
Now we just need a Kickstarter to create the super box to hold this game, all the expansions, and the models.
The Fragile Breath wrote: I am so jealous of everyone getting their stuff! I'll have nine expansions coming to me, but no shipping yet. I'm going crazy! I am happy for you guys who've gotten their stuff, though.
But I hate you a teensy bit.
Edit: I googled where people are saying the shipping originates from, it's about nine hours away from me! It would be (almost) worth it to me to drive the nine hours to get it. Of course, I realize that I'm like an impatient child at the moment, but, damn it, this is (plastic) crack we're talking about! Lives are literally on the line! Figuratively!
In the same boat. Also, there's some routing center near my house that everyone seems to use, so it bounces from like 1/2 hour away from me, to the next stat over to get sorted, and back again, which is endlessly infuriating.
Wow. I suppose all god monsters are probably going to be of comparable size, then. Wasn't expecting the Lion God to be about the same size as the Dragon God.
Tannhauser42 wrote: I unpacked all of mine last night. My advice for everyone receiving all the expansions: have a trash bag ready for all the packing peanuts that are in every expansion's box.
Now we just need a Kickstarter to create the super box to hold this game, all the expansions, and the models.
I'm in Dallas and haven't gotten mine yet... that's unfortunate.
If the original Wet Nurse was part of the Kickstarter, I'm sure it would have been shut down in short order.
Also, looks like a piece of sprue for the Pinup goes up out of the picture, so perhaps it's part of another set? Either Pinups of Death 2, or even a plastic Wer Nurse. The former being more likely than the latter.
It does somewhat appear from reading who is receiving things on the comments that some fulfillment warehouses are shipping theirs out faster then other places. For example a lot of people around the same time confirmed they received theirs in Germany.
Alot of people overseas ( as far as I can tell ) are receiving their packages with no tracking number or email notification, just like wave 2. It also sounds like numerous people are getting doubles of some expansions while missing others, and all the spidy legs are packaged wrong.
How do you not provide a tracking number after the nightmare of Wave 2??
Yep I have the Spidicules packing error its understandable as there is nothing on the sprues to identify what set of legs they are so the packers just picked up any 3 sprues. I had to part assemble the mini to figure out which set I'm missing ( rear left and no. 2 right as seen from the front)
Glad I decided to hold off on Spidicules because of it needing to be resculpted. Dodged a bullet there-hopefully he'll be sorted out by the retail release.
I ordered a Spidicules because he was one of my favorite concepts from the KS, and I will be pleased as punch if all of the bits are in the box! Do want! Can't hardly wait! Now, now, NOW!!
"The Spidicules legs are a known issue and we're working with our manufacturer to get you those proper legs ASAP. If we had them on hand, we'd already be mailing them to you, but we do not ;_; We have your name on file and will be mailing these replacements to the address you provided when you confirmed your Wave 3 address. We are doing our best to get these done as quick as possible.
"Thanks for your patience and understanding."
so it certainly sounds like send in a ticket (but make sure you've checked everything else too, it's unreasonable to expect them to foot 2 lots of extra shipping) and you'll get the legs you need when they've been produced
hopefully the manufacturer will be footing that bill
(i'm trying contacting the EU shipper direct since they have a specific email address for this project and doing it this way will probably be quicker than going to Adam if they've got any spare stuff left)
Mine's just arrived as well! Can someone who has the Dung Beetle expansion do me a favour? I'm looking at the Green Knight set and notice the requirement for Gormite - do you get a small amount with the Dung Beetle expansion?
My Spidicules has the multiple left (or is it right?) leg issues, I'm pondering whether or not to contact Poots about it or just assemble it as is; I heard that the only real difference with the legs is the connection holes, can anyone confirm this?
My regular KD order arrived too, the Black Knight is much bigger than I expected!
zedmeister wrote: Mine's just arrived as well! Can someone who has the Dung Beetle expansion do me a favour? I'm looking at the Green Knight set and notice the requirement for Gormite - do you get a small amount with the Dung Beetle expansion?
I'd suggest just stop-gapping/house ruling it with iron or something else kinda' hard to get if that's not the case, unless it's enough incentive that you want to hunt troll baby.
Ack! Shipping confirmation! From about nine hours away, I wonder if that means it'll come tomorrow or the next day? Eh, I'm probably being too optimistic. They should be here by the weekend, which is when my group plays. I'm a teensy bit excited.
zedmeister wrote: Mine's just arrived as well! Can someone who has the Dung Beetle expansion do me a favour? I'm looking at the Green Knight set and notice the requirement for Gormite - do you get a small amount with the Dung Beetle expansion?
Just checked as I'm going though everything now, Gormite is 1 of the 4 Strange Resources for the Gorm it does not come with the Dung Beetle Knight or the Green Knight Armour kit.
zedmeister wrote: Cheers DaveC. Bummer, I was sure he mentioned that there was a way to get Gormite without having to get the Gorm. That thing disturbs me no end!
I didnt think Gorm was necessary for Green Knight... I remember intentionally getting everything specifically for the Green Knight (alas that I couldnt get everything, xD)
Though that was some years ago.... Guess that changed? Ah well. House ruling it for iron or something of the sort sounds like the way to go!
Still waiting for my expansions, too... really really jealous of you guys that have yours!!
(i'm trying contacting the EU shipper direct since they have a specific email address for this project and doing it this way will probably be quicker than going to Adam if they've got any spare stuff left)
Did you get a duplicate of another expansion by chance?
I question UPS's understanding of how the paid service of a tracking number works. My package is supposed to arrive tomorrow from ANN ARBOR, MI, US to Oregon, and the only tracking update was that it left Illinois on the 26th...
Mine have arrived, sadly I'm off on a work trip for a few weeks so it'll have to remain unopened until I get back, just hope I'll still be able to put in tickets if anything is missing when I'm back as I've not been particularly thorough with my inspection
Just picked up my Dragon King and Harbinger of Death 'triple' box (Lion Knight, Green Knight, Hangman) from Ontario, where I suppose the warehouse is for Canadian shipping.
It's so huge! The boxes are really nice with that black artwork on the front, worth keeping. A box within a box within a box, that's what you'll get.
Ahhh.. work! Why can't people just do what we want as long as we are improving ourselves? Eh?
It's worth the shipping cost, I can't image the mega boxes you'll get if you bought all the expansions.
LOL are they expecting people to send back doubles when they are missing expansions?
EDIT: someone on the kickstarter comments mentioned the Dragon King rule book stating there are 50 gear cards, and the person only counted 40. I really hope this is not a trend. 3 years to make this many mistakes is unacceptable.
Chopxsticks wrote: LOL are they expecting people to send back doubles when they are missing expansions?
EDIT: someone on the kickstarter comments mentioned the Dragon King rule book stating there are 50 gear cards, and the person only counted 40. I really hope this is not a trend. 3 years to make this many mistakes is unacceptable.
I believe that would be the expectation, yes. Don't see what's wrong with that either. Sending back something sent by mistake shouldn't be linked to resolving issues involving missing items.
Not sure how that'll play out in practice. (Everyone's upstanding and ethical, right?)
gohkm wrote: Apparently, you can request a return label from KD, for those with excess sendings.
Anything about packages missing things?
I would suggest contacting Kingdom Death about missing things. Considering how snowed under they are, though, it could it be a while before you get a reply.
Chopxsticks wrote: LOL are they expecting people to send back doubles when they are missing expansions?
EDIT: someone on the kickstarter comments mentioned the Dragon King rule book stating there are 50 gear cards, and the person only counted 40. I really hope this is not a trend. 3 years to make this many mistakes is unacceptable.
My Dragon King has 40 gear cards and 10 rare gear cards the book does say 50 +10 misprint perhaps?
It wouldn't surprise me if typos and the like slipped through again. The main game certainly has its share of those, plus a lot of the expansion books end with two blank white pages, which isn't end of the world stuff, but still rather.. sloppy?
While KDM is great I'm really hoping that if KD:hero ever materialises or any other kingdom death KS for that matter, it is kept a lot tighter and tidier, I'd rather a smaller slicker production that got delivered in a sensible time frame next time round :p, however I totally would still throw money at it.
gohkm wrote: Apparently, you can request a return label from KD, for those with excess sendings.
Anything about packages missing things?
I'd imagine just contact them and ask,
potentially be prepared for a significant wait if you've also got a spidiulese leg issue since they're having to have more made and I doubt they'll want to have to send out more than one lot of extra post
Okay, I've gone through my stuff and everything looks good except that I have the same issue with Spidicules as others, namely duplicate leg sprues. I've taken pictures and hopefully they can figure it out. I agree with everyone who said the leg sprues should have been labeled.
Anyway, here is what it all looks like spread out all over my work room. Two xpac rule & card sets weren't in the frame when I took that last picture.
The facebook group has the best comparions photo of the 2 leg sprues, not perfect as they are opposite ways up but it does show the differeces
These sprues are very very close to each other. But look at where the arrow points to. One connector that is 90 degrees and short and one that is bent. I got the 2 bent ones and others got the 2 90 degrees ones. You should have one of each.
We should all create a matchmaking site where we all post whether we're right-leg or left-leg. Then, we can meetup and exchange legs depending on what we're missing.
Absolutionis wrote: We should all create a matchmaking site where we all post whether we're right-leg or left-leg. Then, we can meetup and exchange legs depending on what we're missing.
Exchange legs? Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Seemed appropos for a KD thread.... Though I really should get mine out and check them sooner than later.
I find great humor in the fact that one of the fighting arts from the spider expansion allows survivors to trade leg injuries. The irony is sweet even if the prolonged wait is bitter.
Hopefully the leg issue will have a solution soon and will be fixed for the release on the shop. I know it will be upsetting if I pay that much for such a nice expansion and still have qc issues.
Dais wrote: I know it will be upsetting if I pay that much for such a nice expansion and still have qc issues.
I've had worse QC issues from Forge World.
A problem being rampant in the industry does not excuse its existence. Any company that presents its products as premium, boutique, elite, etc. is responsible to uphold that image. Repeated or rampant failures to do so will quickly erode that image and make it all look like pompous self-important hype (think GW in 2012).
Kingdom Death (the brand) is built on the idea of the products being premium/elite so I have no doubt Adam will invest whatever effort is needed to resolve the issue before it propagates to retail purchases. I just hope they don't miss any boxes. The best part of Kingdom Death products is that they back up all the hype with genuine quality. I was a skeptic for a long time but they won me over.
I eagerly await the mail carrier like an eager child. I've had no email but the shipping notices seem to be inconsistent .
With the Spidercules, How many leg sprues are you supposed to have? I have x3 (2 of which are the same) plus another sprue which clearly has the front legs / arms on it.
Just a note for everyone on the Spider legs, here's a response from KDM Zendesk.....
We are working with our fulfillment company on solution right now, thanks to backer kit we have all your info and will be in touch with a plan shortly.
as for the spider legs:
The Spidicules legs are a known issue and we're working with our manufacturer to get you those proper legs ASAP. If we had them on hand, we'd already be mailing them to you, but we do not ;_; We have your name on file and will be mailing these replacements to the address you provided when you confirmed your Wave 3 address. We are doing our best to get these done as quick as possible.
Alpharius wrote: Are they mailing them to EVERYONE who ordered the Spider Expansion, of do we have to submit a ticket to make it happen?
I guess it may depend on who's sending them, it could be cheaper for the factory not to faff around and send one of each to every spidicules buyer direct from china.
If they end up sending stuff for Adam to post out he'll probably only send to those who ask
but regardless i'd submit a ticket (when you've checked everything else too)
A submit a ticket anyway for piece of mind - at least I know that I'm on the list so to speak. I don't think everyone is missing the same set of legs so they can't just send out the same sprue to everyone they will need to know what's missing unless they just decided to send both rear leg sprues, no one seems to be missing the third sprue that contains side legs only.
Anyway this goes it's going to be an expensive mistake for someone to foot the bill for - at this point I'd be happy to wait for the legs to ship with the Lantern Festival.
Adam might want to get ahead of this with an Update. There are still a lot of backers waiting for stuff, and not having a clear process for what looks to be a big problem will only make things worse.
Yeah, if it straightens out, that's fine; if it's actually got a crease, that's damaged material so I'd complain unless you expect it to see enough wear that it won't make a difference in a couple months.
One thing I love about the type of plastic Poots used is that it bonds so much better than GW's plastic formula. Be sure to use a precision applicator with your polystyrene cement. I'd really advise against using that stuff that comes in a tube like what you get in Revel model kits.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Is there a website that has a listing of everything that comes in each expansion? My Dragon King seems to be missing female survivors...
As far as Kickstarter Projects, This one had a few issues, but it was well and truly one of the most successful ones I've had the pleasure to participate in.
excellent effort on A. Poot's part, and a very extensive vision to what I ever expected to see in a game system.
There is no base or insert for the Lion Knight the molded base on the sprue is the entire base. It's an off size compared to the standard base sizes and it's not perfectly circular so I guess a base was never made for it on that basis.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Is there a website that has a listing of everything that comes in each expansion? My Dragon King seems to be missing female survivors...
Breotan wrote: Both my identical sprues have "bent" joins so I guess I'm missing the 90° sprue.
Spoiler:
Received my shipping notice last Tuesday and got the package on Friday; turns out I had two of the "90°" sprues. (Breotan, I sent you a PM about swapping!)
Absolutionis is right: we should be able to set up something to sort this out, and since the average model experience on Dakka is likely to be higher than, say, BoardGameGeek, I feel like the Dakka folks might be better positioned to do it well.
On that note: has anyone given some thought to using pins and/or magnets for the legs? They need to be removable, or this thing will never fit in any storage case I will ever own.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Could you carry it around in one of those terrariums that herps use to transport their iguanas?
In all fairness, I'm sure there is some kind of case out there that this thing will fit in - a bowling ball bag comes to mind as a possibility. However, they are not ones I intend to ever own. Nothing against bowlers or terrariums, mind you, I'm just more of a Plano tackle box kind of guy.
In case you were actually serious about your question:
I haven't fully assembled the model yet (for obvious reasons), but from dry-fitting a few of the legs to the body, I would judge the final volume to be roughly dome shaped, approximately 6 inches tall, and at least 12 inches wide.
Having said that, maybe a cake carrier would be the best fit for carrying your monster spider.
Wow. Yet again, Kingdom Death makes me say things I never thought I would say, let alone in the context of a game.
Also, I just uploaded a little mini-gallery of Spidicules sprue pics, along with some explanations. I believe I am the first person to legitimately use "penultimate" as a Dakka image search tag.
What are you all planning to use your extra survivor gear on? I'm thinking of using the WGF survivors and/or Mantic MaA with other arms. I really want to make an Ofelia Moanna out of the WGF little girl, but then I would need to figure out how to make a gnarled faun. I would love to steal hear your ideas, too.
Wolf wrote: Hey just a quick question from a non backer, when do we think we will see the plastics up for sale on their website?
My guess would be the first major US convention after all the KS shipping has finished at a guess, maybe Gencon?,
Adam won't want to put them out before all the backers have their stuff (and he's attended to at least most of the shipping/packing issues)
and a big convention is a good excuse to put stuff out with a short term price break that will encourage lots of people to grab stuff fast
Well he has released some of that kingdom death monster before most of the backers had it. I need more freaky monsters,
Maybe he should bring a boxed set called kingdom death Survivors with more monsters than survivors
Maybe he should bring a boxed set called kingdom death Survivors with more monsters than survivors
Or an entirely new way of playing the game where you are the monster, hunting these pesky little annoyances that keep invading your home and butchering all your friends
endtransmission wrote: Or an entirely new way of playing the game where you are the monster, hunting these pesky little annoyances that keep invading your home and butchering all your friends
You're thinking of the 4v1 Evolve game, aren't you...
Considering the natural KD game being 4 Survivors vs 1 Monster, it's a good match.
Schmapdi wrote: Got my stuff today - and, embarrassing to have to ask this - but is that everything then?
I know wave 3 contains the Lantern Festival expansion - but I didn't order that one. It didn't have anything else coming did it?
It feels good to have this stuff, that I pledged for in 2012(!!!) finally in hand and done with.
Yep, there's the Spidicules duplicate leg issue, but otherwise the only thing left is Lantern Festival. Assuming Poots doesn't open up the store to the expansions before then, I know where my Gencon fun money is going this year.
Honestly? $120 for the Dragon King expansion seems very fair. There is a LOT to it, and I absolutely love it. In addition to being one of my favorite monsters (sorry DK, Flower Knight will probably always be my favorite) it's got my favorite looking armor set, adds scythes (!!!!), two new survivor models that are awesome (seriously, I had no idea this would have them. They, along with the intimacy figures, are possibly my favorite survivor models), and an extensive new campaign that features a new nemesis. I LOVE this expansion. Sorry for gushing.
I have all of my new monsters assembled except for Slenderman (curse your flimsy legs!), so, now I'm drawn back to an age-old question: do I really go through with magnetizing all the armor kits? I'm starting to feel tempted to just glue them in cool combinations... Gah. I have one Lion Armor survivor with magnetized arms (they're not great, but they work) and my idea for the hands was to cut off the peg on the hand, glue a magnet to it, then drill into the wrists about two magnets deep, glue one in, then the hand magnet kind of slots in... I have a bone axe as described and I believe it works. It's just starting to dawn on me how much work this all is.
Yeah, $120 - that's what Adam had in the last KS Update. I wouldn't be surprised if that went up over time.
Personally, I've been thinking to build mine based on the "Rule of Cool" and let that be it. I did some calculating, and it's a ridiculous number of tiny magnets to magnetize "properly", but it's potentially workable if you're only doing shoulders.
My expansions have arrived (man, the US Post office really spares no beating on boxes...), and now the game and expansions sit in my computer room like the monolith from 2001: brooding, silent, threatening and yet enticing at the same time...
The Dragon King mini is extremely satisfying to assemble. Follow the online build guidelines, though, because some pieces need a bit of trimming to fit properly. The armor kit is also quite sumptuous, although I only have legs and torsos done due to choice overload on the arms. I need to buy some WGF amazons and zulus ...or maybe zombie survivors?...to use them all.
That said, while the female Dragon survivor is a truly great mini, the male dragon survivor is kind of a dud. I'm not just saying that because he looks like George McFly eating a Keanu Reeves sad sandwich, but also because his only build pose looks so defeated and his outfit comes straight out of the worst Star Trek episode of all time.
That said, while the female Dragon survivor is a truly great mini, the male dragon survivor is kind of a dud. I'm not just saying that because he looks like George McFly eating a Keanu Reeves sad sandwich, but also because his only build pose looks so defeated and his outfit comes straight out of the worst Star Trek episode of all time.
I disagree. I got a set of 20 dragon armor survivors in wave two and they can be built with dramatic poses, albeit with minimal motion. I included a trio of my male dragon armor survivors below. They are unpainted except for airbrushed skin but that should be unimportant to convey the poses.
That said, while the female Dragon survivor is a truly great mini, the male dragon survivor is kind of a dud. I'm not just saying that because he looks like George McFly eating a Keanu Reeves sad sandwich, but also because his only build pose looks so defeated and his outfit comes straight out of the worst Star Trek episode of all time.
I disagree. I got a set of 20 dragon armor survivors in wave two and they can be built with dramatic poses, albeit with minimal motion. I included a trio of my male dragon armor survivors below. They are unpainted except for airbrushed skin but that should be unimportant to convey the poses.
The Fragile Breath wrote: ...so, now I'm drawn back to an age-old question: do I really go through with magnetizing all the armor kits? I'm starting to feel tempted to just glue them in cool combinations... Gah. I have one Lion Armor survivor with magnetized arms (they're not great, but they work) and my idea for the hands was to cut off the peg on the hand, glue a magnet to it, then drill into the wrists about two magnets deep, glue one in, then the hand magnet kind of slots in... I have a bone axe as described and I believe it works. It's just starting to dawn on me how much work this all is.
That's exactly what I did. I magnetized at the wrists and necks. It worked out pretty well, though it is a pain to glue those tiny magnets onto the tiny hands, especially ones with small weapons. And it's been a bit of a pain to paint them. You can see how I magnetized mine, with some pictures, here: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2016/01/magnetizing-kingdom-death-monster.html
Here are some tips:
The magnets I used in the wrists were 1/16" diameter x 1/32" thick, and anything bigger that that would be too big. For the necks I used 1/16" diameter x 1/16" thick because I already had some of that size. But any bigger diameter than that wouldn't fit.
What I did, is cut off most of the little nib that sticks off the hands to form the wrist, then file it down flat. Then I used super glue to attach the magnet to the flattened part. It helps a lot to scratch up the magnet and the part of the hand you are gluing it to with a steel file. This helps the glue hold better.
Gluing those tiny little magnets to those tiny little hands was definitely the tricky part of all this. And take care to make sure you are gluing the magnets the right way! They have to match up based on which way you glue the magnets into the forearms, so I used a sharpie to mark the side I was going to glue, so I wouldn't get it turned around when I inevitably dropped the little magnet.
Another useful thing I did was, for the left forearms I glue the north side of the magnet facing out, and the right forearms I glued the south side facing out. The hands are then opposite. This way, once everything is glued together, pairs of hands (one right and one left) can be stored attached to each other, since their magnets will be opposite polarities. I did a similar thing with male heads vs female heads having different polarities so one of each can be stuck together for storing.
Take with a pile of salt- the rumor's origin cited speaking with adam via KS about it, during a time when adam hadn't logged in. Could have easily been misspeaking, but on the surface I'm very skeptical.
DaveC wrote: Rumour from BGG is that the expansions will get a retail release later this week.
I'm assuming those are preorders, to be shipped once the backer rewards finish shipping. This way, Adam can keep the distribution line running, rather than closing it down and starting it up again.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Take with a pile of salt- the rumor's origin cited speaking with adam via KS about it, during a time when adam hadn't logged in. Could have easily been misspeaking, but on the surface I'm very skeptical.
It appears the Valentine's day figures were taken down as the expansions were put up. Pity. I like to order as much as I can at once to avoid shipping charges from parcing orders.
Decided to allow myself one of the $60 expansions, but choosing which is killing me. Possibly Slenderman or Dung Beetle, but then the Lion ones look great, and the Flower Knight is a great model too...
xowainx wrote: Decided to allow myself one of the $60 expansions, but choosing which is killing me. Possibly Slenderman or Dung Beetle, but then the Lion ones look great, and the Flower Knight is a great model too...
After reading through the Lion Knight's booklet, I'd have to recommend him over the others(don't have Lion God or Slendermam though). I love his finale.
Without spoiling, can anyone do a quick overview of how some of these monsters are added to a campaign? It sounds like Spidicules just becomes another monster you are allowed to hunt. For the other ones, do they replace specific monsters? Or add nemesis encounters to the timeline? Or just get added as huntable monsters?
The lion knight is a nemesis monster; he basically takes up residence in your settlement and forces your survivors to do his bidding every few years. Slenderman and Manhunter are also nemesis monsters, but more like the Butcher. All of these include rare gear and other rewards.
Spidicules is a straightforward one; you get a new monster to hunt, with new gear, settlement location, etc., just like the lion or pheonix.
The Dragon King is a big deal. You can add it to a regular campaign as a huntable monster, or as a special alternate campaign. Your settlement is ruled over by the dragon king, with new goals, a new end boss, and a bunch of other changes from a standard campaign.
Guildsman wrote: The lion knight is a nemesis monster; he basically takes up residence in your settlement and forces your survivors to do his bidding every few years. Slenderman and Manhunter are also nemesis monsters, but more like the Butcher. All of these include rare gear and other rewards.
Spidicules is a straightforward one; you get a new monster to hunt, with new gear, settlement location, etc., just like the lion or pheonix.
The Dragon King is a big deal. You can add it to a regular campaign as a huntable monster, or as a special alternate campaign. Your settlement is ruled over by the dragon king, with new goals, a new end boss, and a bunch of other changes from a standard campaign.
To add to this, The Sunstalker is like the dragon king: New campaign with alternate final boss, option to add it to the base game. Also adds a new weapon type: Katana, to allow you to live out all your eastern-flavored grimdark fantasies. On the other hand, he's arguably not as impressive of a model.
The dung beetle knight and flower knight are both huntable monsters. I don't think they replace anything ,but it's suggested you don't split your efforts across too many monster types. Also fighting one knight can give you benefits when fighting other knights. The flower knight also has a campaign, but it's not much different from the standard one. The green knight armor adds an amazing set of gear... that you can only get if you gather rare resources from all 3 knights as well as the gorm.
The lonely tree is interesting, but might be the weakest one. It adds a terrain piece (the tree) and a hunt event that lets you encounter the tree before you get to the hunt. Depending on how that event goes, you can fight the tree as a nemesis monster. The tree is very large, but not even guaranteed to show up in your campaign if you add it in.
I don't know anything about the Lion God, since I don't have it (yet).
I just discovered this project and I'm just wondering... why is everything sold out? Do they have a special policy where they don't want to sell minis?
Haechi wrote: I just discovered this project and I'm just wondering... why is everything sold out? Do they have a special policy where they don't want to sell minis?
Sort of. Usually everything is sold in batches of 500-1000, and sells out quickly. Currently Kingdom Death is fulfilling a Kickstarter, and is selling some of the expansions for preorder to presumably help offset costs with shipping.
Usually you'll see an encore run-expect new releases around the 20th of every March, but some models(especially monsters) sell out within minutes of being posted around 12-2am.
Resin miniatures are more labour intensive they also get made in molds that degrade much quicker so the runs get limited to 500 to 1000 pieces sometimes less.
Haechi wrote: I just discovered this project and I'm just wondering... why is everything sold out?
Do they have a special policy where they don't want to sell minis?
Prior to Kingdom Death : Monster, the overwhelming majority of KD product was hand-cast resin, produced in batches of 500-1000 models. Once they're sold, it's time to make new masters and pour a lot more resin. By hand. This sells pretty quickly, when you consider that the KD:M backer base is considerably larger than a typical initial production run. The newest KDM product is mass production resin. Adam can knock out hundreds of copies in very little time at relatively low production cost, despite the massive development and tooling cost he has barely covered over the past 3 years. Going forward, as he sells more plastic, he should have a lot more stability.
While many product is sold out, I don't believe he's actually "sold out" on *all* of the non-expansion product. See below...
Adam wants to sell a lot of product. Right now, he has temporarily closed his regular store in order to presell expansions while he has an organized and experienced distribution line in place, running full steam. This saves him the cost of having to repack and freight pallets of unsold expansions that he would have to store and resell later. The current sale is a good one, and will provide some much-needed cash to fund future activity. I hope he manages to sell virtually all of the plastic that he produced.
After he's done with the KD:M expansion flash sale, I'm sure he'll reopen for resin and other plastic product, business as usual. This means no combining shipping for regular store + expansions. But that makes sense, because this week is taking orders to feed a completely different distribution team.
Supply and demand is a tricky thing, especially when producing and selling a higher dollar boutique game. Stock sitting on a shelf can be bad for a company, so you want to order enough to have and sell, but not too many or too few.
This is why the base game was shipped to backers, sold for a small time, was re-released again, then released again... I am assuming the expansions will go through the same process. They are being sold for a week, then taken down for a break (need some extras for backer issues, replacements, and conventions).
When he runs low I am sure he will order new production runs. However, money is king and kits will cost him money. It sounds like he has been close to breaking even with this game, so I wouldn't expect him to dump a ton of his own money into this if it isn't very profitable. He did say that he wasn't sure if his game would be released to the public after the kickstarter after all.
So, S&D, higher dollar game, kickstarter issues, profits, limited supply (can ask higher prices), etc, who knows what will happen. I am assuming eventually all the plastic kits will see a steady release from his online store, and will be supplemented with his quick cash flow resins.
Regardless, I am a happy backer and love poot's game and products. His minis (well, some can't be called minis lol) have replaced my others on my display shelf as they are just too cool, creepy, and unique. There truly is nothing else like kingdom death.
Slenderman has an interesting story hook, but I was a little disappointed that Poots didn't try to recreate having the eight pages play a role in the expansion. I do like that Slendy's teleporting was incorporated into the game.
That Frogdog, what is that thing? Why does the frog demon spawn normal looking puppies? Does it have rules for the game? It'd be cool if your survivors could gain dog companions from it.
Barzam wrote: Slenderman has an interesting story hook, but I was a little disappointed that Poots didn't try to recreate having the eight pages play a role in the expansion. I do like that Slendy's teleporting was incorporated into the game.
That Frogdog, what is that thing? Why does the frog demon spawn normal looking puppies? Does it have rules for the game? It'd be cool if your survivors could gain dog companions from it.
So far, no rules and only the blurb under the product listing gives any background.
Which is...
Spoiler:
"I will update the description of the Frogdog at a later date! For now, please enjoy its eccentric visual storytelling! - Poots"
Right. But the models in the original set were individual resins and were all put together on sprues for plastic. A lot of the newer pinups are already available as individual plastics. So potentially they'd have to bundle together a bunch of loose plastic sprues for a second boxed set.
Which admittedly doesn't seem like a big issue, but something to consider all the same.
Compared to the great bats of the Hollow Tree, the Gryphon is a tiny and colorful monster. With its powerful wingspan, 20 men across and extremely vicious nature it will hunt these bats during cold periods and bludgeon them to death using its small body.
The corpses of these bats are taken back to the Gryphon’s nest which is crafted over decades by lesser monsters who serve as both its labor and mortar. The Gryphon eats only a portion of these large beasts as it must also feed its nest as it is very much alive.
The Gryphon’s extreme nest building anxiety manifests in a powerful musk, which the orifices in its wing pits consume, store and pressurize in a hump on its back. The monster can spew the concoction which makes humans or other lesser monsters become nest builders. A human can live out its entire life, questing to build parts of a Gryphon’s nest and never realizing the horror of what they are building
The Worshippers of the Storm measure stature in lighting scars and those with the most beautiful burn patterns lay claim to the best weapons and armor from the corpses of failed questing survivors. The homes of the wealthy are decorated in all manner of metal trophies, filling the rain drenched town with the constant angry clattering of rain hitting metal.
At the base of the sword shaped castle in the sky is a culture that worships the Storm Knight as a god. They are both crazed and opportunists. Questing survivors who perish in the castle are tossed down to the town where their bodies are scavenged. The worshipers sell the weapons of the dead to newcomers hoping to traverse the castle.
The Cleric is the result of a collaboration between Adam & Lokman, exploring some well established tropes in fantasy art. Originally intended as a small line of Generic Hero Classes, the results were so compelling and un-generic, each hero's appearance told so many exciting stories that we wanted to integrate them into the KD world but so far nothing concrete has emerged.
Once a cursed witch at the bottom of a lake, she traded her arm to god and was reborn. Her powerful magic keeps her watery body semi-frozen and corporeal so she may quest and bring light to other wretched souls across the Land. The divine scythe she carries is a reminder of her own defiance of death.
The Pinup Storm Armor is a playful interpretation of the Storm Knight
This Pinup is a playful interpretation of the Warriors of the Sun.
plus a bunch of encores & restocks
Note: less than 50 copies of KD Monster remain to buy (plus a few Adam is saving for Gencon)
Ugh, hobby freezes are not kind to Kingdom Death fans. Guess I'll wait for the encore.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just had a thought- will Adam eventually release resin KDM expansions? The smaller ones are just Monster + 2 Survivors(if that), so if the demand is lower what would hold that back? Or has that already been discussed before?
I saw they have the Black Knight in stock. That's an interesting design. I wonder if there may have been some influence from Garo in the design. The armor has numerous canine elements about it and the gorget is very similar in appearance to the helmet designs from Garo.
I am still waiting for a Forsaker to come in stock. I'd love to have one. Even more, I'd love to have a plastic Forsaket.
Well my wife ordered herself an expensive handbag, I guess it's only fair that I order a few figures for myself then.
In here defense it was her birthday and I did give her my blessing to order what she wanted, but whatever, I need my toys too!
Grabbed a Cleric, a Female Worshipper, the Fighter encore, and a Sun Worshiper pinup. I love the base on that Sun pinup, but I have no idea what colors to do it in.
More than likely it'll just languish in its box like my Black Knight currently is.
On the topic of the Black Knight, though, it took me awhile before I realized the visor is actually molded as the knight's beard. That makes it an even more awesome model.
Picked up a Mother, too. Now if only I could get the Grand Mother to go along with that.
Nah, the Black Knight's visor isn't his beard. It's coming out of his mouth. The face and upper jaw are on top of his head, above the visor and his lower jaw is just below his visor, as a gorget.
I usually scurry away from resin out of fear, but I broke my rule before to get a Halloween Twilight Knight and a Thief, so, of course I had to grab the Cleric and the Mage and Fighter encores. Now it won't matter if they do a plastic box of them, since I already have them! Cleric is definitely my favorite yet.
The Storm Pinup and Sun Warrior Pinup were mighty tempting... But I can just feel that the Pinups of Death 2 approaches... Probably this summer? Do we actually have enough pinups now? I'm assuming we'd exclude the holiday pinups, but I know there are several that I'm missing.
Edit: I counted five pinups that are neither a part of the original set, nor from the kickstarter, but I know there are more than that. (Storm Armor, Sun Warrior, Wet Nurse, Weaponsmith, Visionary)
I was surprised by the announcement of only 50 units (plus GenCon supply) of Monster left in stock. He has to do another run, right? It seems crazy to have done the massive investment for tooling and production and not print more when he sells out.
Adam produced what he thought would sell this year, didn't expect it to sell as well as it did. Being plastic, he can do another run at reasonable cost.
Barzam wrote: Nah, the Black Knight's visor isn't his beard. It's coming out of his mouth. The face and upper jaw are on top of his head, above the visor and his lower jaw is just below his visor, as a gorget.
Yeah, saw that, but the beard's way more amusing.
Really like the look of this guy, but the fact that there's him and two sidekicks implies to me that he's expansion material, so I might as well wait for the less awesome plastic one.
Yeah, that seems about the right. He did at one point post that there had been 15,000 phoenixes made, but there were two included in the survivor pledges so unless he made more during production that would probably put it at closer to 10,000 units of the full game. Another number I recall was 3,500 copies beyond the KS fulfillment, which again points somewhere in the 10-12,000 range.
So im gonna be that guy and say this 1.4 update is pretty lame. Rules clarification and some changes in a PDF sure, but changing entire Settlement cards, so now I need to print these out and glue them onto cardboard, and how many are changing? This just feels lame.
Its Adam Poots, how long do you think that wait is going to be? We also dont know how much of an overhaul these rules changes are? I personally find the rules very vague and hard to follow, so I welcome some clarification, but changing cards across the board sounds rather frustrating.
I find it kinda strange that they go to the trouble of making plastic kits but then only produce 500. That would barely cover the cost of the tooling, surely?
It may well be that these are not in the same place as the resin minis/loose bits (which are at KDHQ) and aren't going to take up huge amounts of space, whereas packed boxes like the expansions will,
so keeping the orders separate would make sense
Automatically Appended Next Post: New newsletter, this is the relevant bit
Kingdom Death: Monster - Sold Out
In 6 short months following the game's release, we smashed thru our inventory. The remaining 20 units and 60 "red dots" which contain no miniatures are reserved for GenCon. The red dots came about as part of the factory's QA process, some sprues were damaged in transportation from one facility to the other and we decided to simply pack 'em without any figures at all.
We sold 2 retail copies to Powell's Bookstore in Portland, OR. If they still have them they should be in the store's board game section. And really, that's about it for retail! The final price of the game meant that very few units sold to retailers. Instead, we sold just shy of 4,000 units direct to customers! The vast majority of those were sold during our reduced pre-order price. Nonetheless, thanks to everyone's support, I think the sales of the core game has just barely passed its development costs!
With no Monster's out in the wild, we're thinking hard about what the best way to get new copies out there for people who still want them. It might be as straight forward as taking pre-orders or... it might be as complex as returning to Kickstarter. We very much want to supply everyone that wants on with their very own copy. I just can't believe how many tasks and considerations spawn from that simple desire!
Poots back on Kickstarter??
Everyone here at HQ is a little worried about this scenario. I am not a responsible creator. Nothing about KD:M is small and easy to produce. Only crazed determination and the mostly unwavering support of thousands of fans made it possible in the first place. Our inventory manager insists that I will need 24 hour supervision should this come to pass. I think he might be right.
The future of Kingdom Death
We are at a very interesting time and place with Kingdom Death. The kickstarter is nearly behind us, the game is sold out, and all that is ahead of us is the horizon. stretching out like a big empty canvas. I admit, this is sort of a new and difficult place. I've never worked like I did these past 4 years.
We (myself and the team) took every challenge head on, locked horns with any issue, and generally learned not to compromise! All that effort and all those crazy decisions we made... have now been validated. The ambition, as ludicrous as it felt, has been reached.
Putting aside my concerns and embracing a very pure desire to create is what lead to Kingdom Death and our eventual kickstarter in the first place. Our very first release, the White Speaker, was priced so that the investment would break even.
So! In the vein of embracing the insanity, Here are some things I am excited to see on the horizon of Kingdom Death. Consider it a soft-announcement of the things that inspire me to work every morning.
•KDM - Nightmare Ram Expansion
•KDM - Ringtail Fox Expansion
•KDM - Black Knight Expansion
•KDM - Gryphon Expansion
•KDM - Frogdog Expansion
•KDM - Lantern Festival (being reworked from the ground up, might focus on towns instead of settlements)
•KDM - Storm Knight Expansion (how a survivor can become a hero)
•KDM - Custom Campaign Book (for mixing our current expansions, supported with new story events)
•KDM - Rust Ocean (area where Architects are from)
•KD:Q - Kingdom Death Quest, a PVC game for mass market (gonna try distro with this!)
•KD:T - Titan, a deck building game, its perspective far pulled far back to the greater entity level.
•KD:L - Labyrinth, the game that highlights Twilight Knights, White Speakers and other hero level classes.
•KD:2D - A retro cinematic platformer, with GORGEOUS hand made sprite animation.
•MALE PINUPS
Of course these are the far off projects that loom large and don't include the resin releases that I have the pleasure of working on everyday!
Will all of this see the light of day? Will the team rebel and overthrow me first? I certainly can't say for now, but it should be a lot of fun either way!
On one hand, it's good that he has plans for future monster releases, on the other it's a shame costs have spiralled so much that a retail release is pretty much not going to happen.
I don't think a retail release was realistic after a certain point. The content, size, and price were too prohibitive. Especially since Poots didn't want it to be discounted online.
Also the fact he sold through his stock with only 2 going to retail stores probably means it was never necessary to begin with.
Wonder how long we will be waiting for the Lantern Festival. Update says it is being completely reworked. My guess would be 12 months minimum, probably 18.
willb2064 wrote: Wonder how long we will be waiting for the Lantern Festival. Update says it is being completely reworked. My guess would be 12 months minimum, probably 18.
I also wonder how much more content it's likely to include then.
It almost sounds like it's getting redone as a transition between KD:M and the hero level game. As long as the quality continues to be high I'm fine waiting. The campaign book would be pretty exciting though.
Hah. Gotta love the self-aware kickstarter jibes. Would definitely be willing to support the kickstarters based on the results of KD:M; especially KD: Quest and KD: Labyrinth.
What do you guys think, safe to say Kingdom Death: Labyrinth is the working title of the previously rumored Kingdom Death: Heroes?
willb2064 wrote: Wonder how long we will be waiting for the Lantern Festival. Update says it is being completely reworked. My guess would be 12 months minimum, probably 18.
I also wonder how much more content it's likely to include then.
I don't think the miniatures for the Lantern Festival are being completely redone, just the game play (read: paper) aspect of it. If that's the case, and the models have been produced, then I'd expect it this year. If not, then stretch that to include Q1 2017.
That's cool that he sold enough to cover the development costs - but it's a bit of a bummer that it's sold out. I would think since that core costs are covered, and sprues are already tooled it wouldn't be nearly as expensive to do a second run of the game?
Going to KS is probably a bad idea (for reasons he mentioned) but I would think it would be fairly simple to do some sort of pre-order thing on the KD website where you basically pre-buy the game and once 250 (or whatever) copies are sold they'd have enough cash to do a second run.
I couldn't imagine how much money I'd be tempted to throw at it.
Although continued talk of PVC worries me. I'm not a fan of the material, and would prefer Poots sticks to resin and/or HIPS. Heck, I wouldn't mind metal.
That's cool that Poots still wants to do the video game. If it winds up being a Metroivania, I would back that in a heartbeat. As much as we all dislike the PVC, I think KD: Quest would be a good idea. I imagine it would be a great gateway game for getting people interested in Kingdom Death.
I'm a little surprised that the Storm Knight expansion isn't the campaign mode expansion. Based on the fluff that's out there, it sounds like in order to face the Storm Knight, prospective heroes have to basically do a dungeon crawl.
If Poots was ever to do a PVC game, I'm sure the quality of figures would be a step higher than the usual gaming figuers- more Journey style than the typical FFG figure for example.
I'm sure with the buzz (and $$$) generated by the game, a lot of companies wouldn't mind stepping up and getting a slice of that delicious Kingdom Death pie.
It may be full of hands, genitals, and faces, but it will be delicious nonetheless.
Also, if he does PVC like Journey : Wrath of Demons, I would have no concerns. I love the models, and am glad to have backed it.
For future stuff, I would be OK to back another, much smaller KD Kickstarter. If it's $300 or less complete and HIPS, then I'm definitely in. If it's $500+, maybe not.
I've got easily a dozen characters that could go in it that are all in plastic, so I don't see why they'd go back to resin when they've got a bunch of them tooled already.
Friend of mine ordered a bunch of expansions and he got them within 7 days of ordering.
He got them without prior notice or a verification that his order had been shipped. There was just a huge box waiting for him when he got home from work. So don't worry if you haven't gotten a notification. Your resin crack might be on its way.
Poots limits the number of items for sale at any one time so in order to put new items up old items have to come down. The expansions will come back later as these items go out of stock and the stock is rotated.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm curious what "new plastics" will be for sale at Gencon, especially since he placed that separate from the expansions.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I also added the 54mm Dragon Sacrifice to my order, I have the smaller version in resin but it's my favourite pinup and I just couldn't stop myself
Exact same thing here. Wasn't going to get her because I have a plast and resin version but the 54mm ones are nice and if not now, when? When, I say?!
Has anyone calculated the price of the KS stuff vs the retail price of everything, and how much you saved if you went in on the KS? I imagine you'd have to pay around 4-5x more to get everything now (assuming it was all in stock somehow)?
Expansions are similar ratio of roughly 4x from KS to MSRP.
This truly was the holy grail KS. That's not even taking into account if you backed at a few dollars more for the non-game extras. I backed at an $129 EB Survivor spot and sold off the survivor box for $250, so guess you could say I got the game for -$121.
Good things come to those who wait! I backed at HOD and sold off the unarmored guys (I didn't like the smooth backs) and the Manhunter (I didn't like him, either). The rest of my stuff are keepers. Deal of a lifetime, I think.
Schmapdi wrote: The ram armor pin-up art is adorable - but the mini itself doesn't seem to have the cute glasses :/ No sale!
This is one of the few problems I have with the KD minis he never seems to add pictures of the alternate heads or clothes which then arrive with the mini. Just received it after paying a rather nasty customs charge, and it comes with two heads one of which is a two piece cast with the glasses!
All these folks getting their shipping notifications, and I'm just over here just reloading my inbox every day... My time will come!
