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Post by: Mentlegen324
Artbook is £30. Not too bad a price, still can't decide if i should order one or try and get it cheaper elsewhere though. I suppose I could order it and then cancel it before release / return it if I change my mind.
I was sort of interested in the Bookmark, but £12.50 seems a bit much for what it is!
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Bookends are oos already.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
With delivery cost it works out at a saving of £0.95, seems to be a similar case with a few other sites too - not much cheaper at all because of it.
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Post by: CragHack
It's weird, the bookends were available to retailers.
Night Lords sold out in like what, 2 minutes?
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Bookends up on eBay for 200 nuggets. People are crazy.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
I feel like the bookends are a missed opportunity - having one be Pre-Heresy Horus and the other being him after his fall to chaos would have been more interesting, although it's obviously easier/cheaper to do with them identical.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Yeah. I only want a single one. I plan to paint it and mount it on a small shield. So I may sell the second. I just got some from firestorm for 60gdp. Thanks for that info craghack!
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
 Mentlegen324 wrote:I feel like the bookends are a missed opportunity - having one be Pre-Heresy Horus and the other being him after his fall to chaos would have been more interesting, although it's obviously easier/cheaper to do with them identical.
Thought the same; Horus on one and the Emperor on the other end, or Sanguinius, or whoever - duplicate Horuses doesn't really do it for me. Pretty nice design though.
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Post by: TwilightSparkles
I suspect we will see more bookends in the future.
In fact making replicas of items from the Heresy is a massive opportunity. Could easily be a Kickstarter style project and I'd wager Marine helmets, bolster shells, anathames, lectio divinatus books / pendants etc would all do well.
The old lodge coin still does £75-100 when they come up and that must have cost very little to produce for that black Library event.
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Post by: Knockagh
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:I feel like the bookends are a missed opportunity - having one be Pre-Heresy Horus and the other being him after his fall to chaos would have been more interesting, although it's obviously easier/cheaper to do with them identical.
Thought the same; Horus on one and the Emperor on the other end, or Sanguinius, or whoever - duplicate Horuses doesn't really do it for me. Pretty nice design though.
I thought about them when they announced them just because I like a nice bookend but I can’t stand the Neil Roberts art style. Would have preferred a nice marine statue or imperial guard.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
 Knockagh wrote: Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:I feel like the bookends are a missed opportunity - having one be Pre-Heresy Horus and the other being him after his fall to chaos would have been more interesting, although it's obviously easier/cheaper to do with them identical.
Thought the same; Horus on one and the Emperor on the other end, or Sanguinius, or whoever - duplicate Horuses doesn't really do it for me. Pretty nice design though.
I thought about them when they announced them just because I like a nice bookend but I can’t stand the Neil Roberts art style. Would have preferred a nice marine statue or imperial guard.
What do you dislike about the "Neil Roberts art style"? How does his style apply to the bookend itself though?
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Post by: Knockagh
I’ve never liked the Horus heresy art Roberts did. It’s over the top too flamboyant. I never think it looks like it’s done to any kind of scale either. I know it’s been popular just not my aesthetic at all. Horus is completely lost in this sculpt. It’s so messy it barely recognisable as anything, it think it just looks like a jumbled mess.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Knockagh wrote:I’ve never liked the Horus heresy art Roberts did. It’s over the top too flamboyant. I never think it looks like it’s done to any kind of scale either. I know it’s been popular just not my aesthetic at all. Horus is completely lost in this sculpt. It’s so messy it barely recognisable as anything, it think it just looks like a jumbled mess.
I also think some of his art is far too crowded and just all over the place in terms of where your attention is drawn, but I don't quite see how the look of this bookend's design/Horus is really the fault of Roberts, though. There aren't that many differences between this design of Horus and the older versions, like this one here: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/d/dd/Horus_vs_The_Emperor.jpg
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
It's definitely true to his image. I guess we'll see when they arrive and see what folks do with them. I can see them ending up in some big dioramas. Would make a cool base for Abaddon to be stood on or something.
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Post by: Knockagh
Mentlegen324 wrote: Knockagh wrote:I’ve never liked the Horus heresy art Roberts did. It’s over the top too flamboyant. I never think it looks like it’s done to any kind of scale either. I know it’s been popular just not my aesthetic at all. Horus is completely lost in this sculpt. It’s so messy it barely recognisable as anything, it think it just looks like a jumbled mess.
I also think some of his art is far too crowded and just all over the place in terms of where your attention is drawn, but I don't quite see how the look of this bookend's design/Horus is really the fault of Roberts, though. There aren't that many differences between this design of Horus and the older versions, like this one here: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/d/dd/Horus_vs_The_Emperor.jpg
Your probably right. Those type of images are awful too. Don’t know who did that one but looks like Roberts stuff. I did not like most of the chaos aesthetic. The Abaddon model I think is awful. None of them look sinister they just look stupid.
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Post by: BrookM
Bit BS that they've bumped the price of the Primarchs novella up by a bit.
But happy that I at least managed to secure a copy of the art book, it'll go nicely with the others they've put out over the years.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Knockagh wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote: Knockagh wrote:I’ve never liked the Horus heresy art Roberts did. It’s over the top too flamboyant. I never think it looks like it’s done to any kind of scale either. I know it’s been popular just not my aesthetic at all. Horus is completely lost in this sculpt. It’s so messy it barely recognisable as anything, it think it just looks like a jumbled mess.
I also think some of his art is far too crowded and just all over the place in terms of where your attention is drawn, but I don't quite see how the look of this bookend's design/Horus is really the fault of Roberts, though. There aren't that many differences between this design of Horus and the older versions, like this one here: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/d/dd/Horus_vs_The_Emperor.jpg
Your probably right. Those type of images are awful too. Don’t know who did that one but looks like Roberts stuff. I did not like most of the chaos aesthetic. The Abaddon model I think is awful. None of them look sinister they just look stupid.
That art looks nothing like Roberts stuff, it's an entirely different art style. It's a classic piece of artwork from 2004 by Adrian Smith, made well before the Horus Heresy was much more than a vague backstory, it's an remake/update of the same scene done by Smith in 1990 (and the style there there is...odd) The design of Horus seen on the Bookends was established done at least 2 years before the first Horus Heresy novel Cover Roberts did.
 BrookM wrote:Bit BS that they've bumped the price of the Primarchs novella up by a bit.
But happy that I at least managed to secure a copy of the art book, it'll go nicely with the others they've put out over the years.
I don't have any GW Art Books yet (other than this new one which I've ordered) but I'm hoping to get a few of the others when I can afford them, what others are there? I've seen there's "the Art of Warhammer" and "The Art of Warhammer 40k" books which seem to go for £100+, and I know there's the "Visions of Heresy" book, although there's 2 versions of that? Not sure how much of a difference between the 2 versions there is. Are there many others?
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Post by: BrookM
Mentlegen324 wrote: BrookM wrote:Bit BS that they've bumped the price of the Primarchs novella up by a bit.
But happy that I at least managed to secure a copy of the art book, it'll go nicely with the others they've put out over the years.
I don't have any GW Art Books yet (other than this new one which I've ordered) but I'm hoping to get a few of the others when I can afford them, what others are there? I've seen there's "the Art of Warhammer" and "The Art of Warhammer 40k" books which seem to go for £100+, and I know there's the "Visions of Heresy" book, although there's 2 versions of that? Not sure how much of a difference between the 2 versions there is. Are there many others?
I've mainly got the older stuff that's out of print for aeons now, like Inquis Exterminatus (which saw a limited run softback reprint some time ago), the Emperor's Will, the Emperor's Might and a couple of hobby holy grails ( YMMV obv): the Gothic and the Eldritch (Goodwin), the Inquisitor's Sketchbook (Blanche) and the Face of Battle (Gallagher).
Also have a first print of Visions of Heresy, which is all art from the cardgame and IIRC, long before the novels were even a thing. The reprints are pretty much the same, but with art from the novels and graphic novel thrown in. If you want it, I'd wait until the Horus Heresy series is over, they should be on version 5 or 6 by then, instead of the reprints they do now where they add in a batch of new novel cover art pieces.
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Post by: alphaecho
August monthly sale time on Amazon.
Some of the previous suspects return, ie Soul Hunter, First and Only and the Belisarius Cawl book.
Helsreach is available for £1.99.
Additionally, omnibus collections for Gotrek and Felix, Ciaphas Cain and The Saint for Gaunt's Ghosts.
There are more available.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
alphaecho wrote:
August monthly sale time on Amazon.
Some of the previous suspects return, ie Soul Hunter, First and Only and the Belisarius Cawl book.
Helsreach is available for £1.99.
Additionally, omnibus collections for Gotrek and Felix, Ciaphas Cain and The Saint for Gaunt's Ghosts.
There are more available.
I'm assuming you mean those are all Kindle Books and not physical?
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Post by: reds8n
There's an good interview with Mr Haley about his forthcoming 40k series here :
https://www.trackofwords.com/2020/08/02/rapid-fire-guy-haley-talks-avenging-son/#more-14408
few salient points
ToW: You’re not only involved in the Dawn of Fire as a novelist, but also as ‘Lead Writer’ – what does that mean, and how is it going to be different to how you normally work?
GH: What it means is that I’m running the series along with Nick Kyme. I help formulate the story. I have the task of keeping track of everything. I get to read and offer feedback on the other books. My role is purely creative, so I get to do all the fun stuff. Nick has to do all the managerial things! He is also the main editor – he had a huge amount of really positive input into Avenging Son, for example.
The big difference between this series and the Horus Heresy is that we don’t know the end. However, every great story needs an arc to tie it all together, and I came up with that arc, or at least one of them.
I try to keep everyone in the loop with what I’m doing anyway, so the research and meetings I’m having are a development on what’s gone before with my Dark Imperium-era novels and the Horus Heresy. It’s not wildly different, though it is a lot more work!
ToW: How does this fit in with your existing Dark Imperium series?
GH: Well, partly you’ll have to wait and see. What I will say though is that the Dark Imperium series will be back, and it will be concluded. A lot of people have jumped to the conclusion that Dawn of Fire somehow invalidates that series and that it has consequently been retired, because the first two books were withdrawn from sale. That is simply not true. Why, you’ll find out, but I’ll be working on Dark Imperium 3 in the not too distant future, and the other two books will be rereleased in due course. Obviously Dawn of Fire takes place before the events of Dark Imperium.
all sounds promising enough and one hopes they use the experience they've earned from the HH/similar series to iron out some of the kinks likely to occur.
That said one hopes that we'll still see releases not tied into the series still too -- I know we're getting the crime stuff for example also -- and the whole setting doesn't get tied down too exclusively with stuff from this era.
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Post by: BrookM
Time to vote once more: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/05/readers-choice-returns/
Lord of the Night and Riders of the Dead were my personal picks.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Same as mine, although Fire Caste was a very close second. I own that though, and haven’t read Lord of the Night yet.
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Post by: Knockagh
Fire Caste (because it’s awesome) for me and Warrior Priest as I haven’t read it.
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Post by: BrookM
Art of 40k book is niiiiiiiiiiice. A great selection of art, both old and new, with some of the pieces accompanied by a description of how they went to work creating it.
As an added bonus, same size as the previous art books done by BL, so doesn't stick out as much.
Working my way through the Primarchs book now, it's okay so far, not sure why it needs to be more expensive than the other books in the series, but some of the stories work well enough.
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Post by: BrookM
Cover art of the upcoming Blood Quest reprint, by Tazio Bettin:
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Post by: Lord Damocles
I guess Leonatos is 3rd Company now then.
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Post by: farmersboy
Whatever happened to auto-reactive shoulder pauldrons protecting the head? I miss those...
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Bookends arrived today. And boy are they hefty... I don't envy anyone buying them to cut up for AOP boards. But on the bright side, I can club potential burglars/house intruders to death with them should I ever need...
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Post by: Lord Damocles
So... I checked, and I'm pretty sure that the 3rd Company is the least likely candidate which could have been chosen.
Leonatos and his Company have a single blood drop on their right pauldron, which would make them 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th Company.
At the beginning of the first book the Commander of the Watch is referenced as separate to Leonatos, so that rules out the 2nd.
The artwork consistently shows the Marines under his command as having a black drop on white background. Obviously since the artwork is black and white this can't give us a definitive answer, however, since the 3rd have a white drop, you wouldn't expect that to be rendered as black. The 4th (green) or 5th (black) are obviously far more likely based on the actual artwork.
But, no, Tycho's banner is recognisable, right, so lets just go with that. Whatever.
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Post by: reds8n
nice.
coming soon now until October
Gargants audio is certainly an interesting idea -- possibly ideally suited for the format FX wise.
Maybe.
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Post by: BrookM
Oh gak, Inferno! #5 is pushed back all the way to the 24th of October!  I wonder what happened there.
Also made my way through both the first Crime novel and the accompanying audio drama, both get a thumbs up from me. Nice bit of world building with the novel, a lot of seeds planted for future hooks and arcs, even comes with a short glossary in the back for some of the slang, local car brands, types of food and whatnot. The audio drama is a bit more comedic in nature, with some nice intermission broadcasts a-la "Go to church, support the war effort and smoke our cigarettes, they're good for you!" type of propaganda-commercial stuff straight out of the 30's - 50's.
Overall a nice cyberpunk - noir setting in 40k.
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Post by: Overread
The Inferno reprints are over 4 months now after ordering which is pretty much longer than before. Chances are BL is in a bit of a release mess. Heck I've not seen any Chronicles of Old World stuff coming out by them and until Corona they were releasing one a month or so of them .
Also in typical "student did it" design styles they appear to have removed the Old World listing form the BL page! Now its under "Series" a few tabs down and they've lumped it all into one big listing https://www.blacklibrary.com/series/warhammer-chronicles-series
So freakishly messy and all for them having a phobia of having 2 lines of main menu tabs along the top. Sometimes I really do have to scratch my head and wonder just who is in charge of the BL digital back end and why they make some utterly daft choices .
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Post by: CragHack
Luther is one of my favorite HH characters. Can't wait for the release
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Post by: Mr Morden
 ImAGeek wrote:
Same as mine, although Fire Caste was a very close second. I own that though, and haven’t read Lord of the Night yet.
Same - Fire Caste is good - Lord of the Night was really good.
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Post by: Overread
Inferno Classic print on demand are now shipping!! And to think I was only commenting the other day that it was getting near to the estimated time period!
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Post by: BrookM
Hoping to get my own shipping notice soon then, running low on fresh reading materials with this effing ongoing heatwave.
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Post by: BrookM
Got my shipping notice just now, that's indeed a lot faster than expected, noice!
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Post by: Alpharius
If I want to start the Horusian Wars series...where do I start?
Anyone have a good reading order to follow?
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Post by: BrookM
Resurrection is the first book in the series, followed by Incarnation. The third book is as of yet not announced, but there is also Divination, which is a collection of short stories that give insights into the members of the retinue and can be read whenever you like. There are also three audio dramas that serve as a spin-off to the main series, following one of the characters introduced in Divinations. Their order is Blood & Lies, Truth & Dreams and Ashes & Oaths.
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Post by: Alpharius
Thanks for that!
For some reason, I couldn't quite suss it out.
And I've never been a big fan of audio dramas - am I missing much of importance there by skipping these?
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Post by: BrookM
Not really, it's an action themed spin-off based around a former Guard officer now working under Covenant. They deal with peripheral threats that Covenant doesn't want to deal with himself.
The character is featured in one of the short stories in Divination as a prequel to the audio dramas and that's it really.
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Post by: Knockagh
 Alpharius wrote:If I want to start the Horusian Wars series...where do I start?
Anyone have a good reading order to follow?
Start with Divination definitely. It’s all the short stories but introduces the characters brilliantly. It really is a superb collection and probabaly the best of all the books so far. After that it’s the novels in their order. Book one is the weakest in my opinion, but not bad. Hopefully book three will be along soon.
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Post by: BrookM
From AD-B's Facebook feed:
One of things with the Black Legion Series is what to show, what to reveal, and what to leave as a mystery. Especially in the opening trilogy.
One fan's "Finally, now we know X!" is another fan's "I liked it better when it could've been A or B."
I think about this a lot.
As a general rule, I try to add more mystery to the setting when it comes to my solo work. I think it's the possibility/mystery that grabs most of us in our grabbable regions.
But you have to balance that with the fact that, depending on the subject, some people want answers.
Anyone saying this is easy to juggle is lying. There's no consensus; "the fandom" isn't an amorphous blob that agrees on anything. The writers have different takes, too.
You have to go with your gut. What you feel serves the story & setting best. What you think makes 40K better.
Historical fiction is my touchstone for 40K.
In the best HF you're outside the mind of the Famous Person, not always seeing the Famous Moments laid bare.
You see the fallout from those moments, the impact on the ground level, framed through the eyes of people living through it.
The best King Arthur story never shows him getting Excalibur. The best story about the Spartans has the main character (not even a Spartan soldier) never fighting properly in the phalanx.
You get glimpses, allusions, flashes of insight: grounded, real, and sometimes terrifying.
I muse over this with the Black Legion Series - and I'll be honest, I go to a lot of authors, editors, and designers for their takes.
What's too much? What's a mystery worth keeping? What's a mystery better dispelled? What are people expecting? Does that matter?
Why?
Why not?
There are a lot of answers. Most are narrative. Some are about expectations, a double-edged sword in IP work.
Sometimes it even comes down to lore that wasn't viewed as optimally presented at the time, now open for a polish or rewrite. That's its own rare but fascinating avenue.
I'm coming very close to the end of Black Legion III now, and - as usual - it's not the book I thought it would be.
Please Note: They never are. Ever. Not even once. I've never been able to even remotely predict how a novel will go.
Just like always, I'm at the point of looking at the questions a book answers, the answers it carefully avoids giving, and the new questions it sets up for the future.
BL3 has a lot of expectation, just like The Talon of Horus (BL1) did. You can't predict how these things'll go.
I don't like talking about this element of writing; I worry it comes over as self-indulgent and/or boring, but thinking about it is part of the craft.
The Siege of Terra is now past the halfway point, and BL3 is basically done, so these thoughts are more relevant than ever.
Anyway, those are my 5:30am thoughts while I take myself too seriously writing about toy soldiers fighting scary space wars.
Please enjoy the rest of your Tuesday, or indeed the final grimy dregs of your Monday.
: )
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Having read about his take on Abaddon in the 40k background forum, I’m looking forward to this. Never thought I’d get excited for a Black Legion book before.
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Post by: BrookM
It's a great look into the early days of the Black Legion and what it's like to be a traitor marine trying to survive inside the Eye of Terror. It also nicely shows them as vulnerable and not as nigh unstoppable as the fluff likes to show them off, but as raiders low on everything and quite worried about what lies outside the Eye. In their case, the Black Templars. 
Been looking forward to the third book for some time now, which I think will, or will not, deal with Abaddon getting his daemon sword, but could be wrong.
Still don't like the main character, but others more than make up for it.
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Post by: Danny76
Just logged into audible, my entire BL part of wish list is currently half price.
£12 each basically.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
On for 2 weeks, and it’s pretty much everything I’m looking through and all sale..
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Post by: BrianDavion
So finished reading Dawn of Fire: Avenging son, fantastic read. the little details in it and referances to other books etc is great
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Post by: Mr Morden
Picked up a few more paperbacks
Mephiston is...well....awful
Souless Fury was not bad - although some wierd interactrions with the blank and lacked something,
Road to Redemption was good.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Avenging Son - I would like to know if there are some important fluff pieces, and if yes, please post spoilers about them. Thanks!
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Post by: ImAGeek
Black Library open submission is back in October, this time for Warhammer Horror. Themes are Survival, Psychological, Gothic and Cosmic. The window will be open from Monday 19th October, to Saturday 31st October.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/19/we-want-your-tales-of-darkness/
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Post by: BrookM
So, an average day set anywhere in 40k really? 
Also, with regards to the Avenging Son request above, USE SPOILER TAGS please, have started the book myself and would really like to work my way through it spoiler free.
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Post by: BrookM
An early peek at the stories of the upcoming No Good Men:
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Post by: The Phazer
Bill King's Space Wolf omnibus, Forges of Mars, Honourbound and a bunch of the Primarchs books (including Valdor) are on sale for £1.99 on Amazon this month.
A few of the books that have been on sale previously are back available too.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Are those actual books or just kindle files?
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Post by: Overread
So if anyone is looking for a good read I just finished reading both the Eisenhorn Trilogy and the Ravenor Trilogy. Both great reads and well worth picking up. Ravenor picks up after the first three Eisenhorn books.
They give you a very different look at the Imperium. You get to see a lot more of the life of real citizens from the near bottom to the top of society and all in between. These are not war-books so instead of grand campaigns you're instead in the dirty mud of hunting out the demonic incursions and influences within the Imperium and how Inquisitors operate in the shadows in an attempt to purge and protect the Imperium.
There's a fantastic wealth of characters and whilst they focus on Imperial worlds there's a good few Xenos appearing here and there too, though predominantly its Imperial focused. This isn't far flung battles on the edge, this is the core of the Imperium, worlds that should be safe and far from the front lines; or at least for now far from the front lines.
It's also set in an older age of the Imperium, still the current millennium for the setting, but before races like the Tyranids or Tau have appeared.
Eisenhorn is made up of Xenos, Malleus, Hereticus
Ravenor is made up of Ravenor, Ravenor Returned, Ravenor Rogue
If you're new get the omnibus editions of both trilogies, a bit more than a single book in cost, but a big saving over getting all three on their own.
Note there's a 4th book for Eisenhorn - Magus - which is a new story but also collects a selection of short stories as well. This book is, as of right now, on Amazon kindle for only £2
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Post by: BrookM
Actually, the T'au are already around at the time of Ravenor, the Imperial Guard sniper in the intro of the first novel uses a pulse rifle.
And here we are still waiting for the next Bequin book, dagnabbit.
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Post by: Overread
 BrookM wrote:Actually, the T'au are already around at the time of Ravenor, the Imperial Guard sniper in the intro of the first novel uses a pulse rifle.
And here we are still waiting for the next Bequin book, dagnabbit.
Darn it you're right! Which is very confusing because Tyranids are very much not known later in the series. Which either means Ravenor has no understanding of the Great Devourer (which for an Inquisitor would be abnormal even with the size of the universe) or that the Tau weapon is a very rare item thrown in as a bone since Tau were certainly around lore-wise long before they appear game-wise.
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Post by: BrookM
 Overread wrote: BrookM wrote:Actually, the T'au are already around at the time of Ravenor, the Imperial Guard sniper in the intro of the first novel uses a pulse rifle.
And here we are still waiting for the next Bequin book, dagnabbit.
Darn it you're right! Which is very confusing because Tyranids are very much not known later in the series. Which either means Ravenor has no understanding of the Great Devourer (which for an Inquisitor would be abnormal even with the size of the universe) or that the Tau weapon is a very rare item thrown in as a bone since Tau were certainly around lore-wise long before they appear game-wise.
This may be a mistake on Dan's end, perhaps a bit of rule of cool (the story takes place all the way on the other side of the Imperium, away from the systems where the T'au are active), along with retcons marching on and changing the timeline a bit. At the time the story takes place the Tyranids have not been encountered yet, aside from, well spoilers..
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Post by: GaroRobe
To be fair, the Inquisitors are smart, but still only have a fraction of the knowledge readers know. Eisenhorn is from the Ordo Xenos, but didn't know the Eldar use Aspect Warriors or what they even were.
In the Carrion Throne, the lead Inquisitor only thought there were "Nine angels" and was baffled by a mosaic depicting all twenty primarchs.
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Post by: BrookM
Gah, just remembered that Eisenhorn meets an elderly Hekate in one of the novels as well and when younger, Hekate fought against Tyranid bio-titans. Timelines so messed up, almost as bad as your average McNeill novel.
Ah, also Overread, did you also read the Magos?
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Post by: Overread
BrookM wrote:Gah, just remembered that Eisenhorn meets an elderly Hekate in one of the novels as well and when younger, Hekate fought against Tyranid bio-titans. Timelines so messed up, almost as bad as your average McNeill novel.
Ah, also Overread, did you also read the Magos?
Not read Magos yet, however picked it up as an ebook for £2 today so chances are I'll get to it semi-soon. Likely after I get through Good Omens. Then there's the other unfinished trilogy which I'm half wanting to start and half wanting to wait and see the other two books appear for so I can hit it in one go.
Also its sounding like it might be that if its happening on the other side of the Imperium then Tyranids "could" be around and just unknown. It might also be that Ravenor might know of them by another name (ergo tyranid instead of Great Devourer) and might know of them only in a general sense of them existing and not specifically what they are like or look like. Still I suspect writing anything in 40K or AoS is a bit of a timeline/location nightmare in working out what should or shouldn't be known by characters.
PS tip. After reading the first Eisenhorn Trilogy I recommend reading the first main novel for Gaunts Ghosts. It contains a very satisfying element near the end of the book for one character who reappears there.
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Post by: BrookM
Hehehe, you're about a decade at the very least behind with that stuff. 
Funny enough, First and Only references the Tyranids as well.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
In case you haven’t started that series much yet, Gaunt’s Ghosts is great up through Sabbat Martyr. Traitor General is about where Abnett started phoning it in.
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Post by: Overread
BrookM wrote:Hehehe, you're about a decade at the very least behind with that stuff.
It's funny but until Brian Blessed voice acted Gotrek (which meant I "had" to read all the omnibus editions before hearing the audio novel of course) I'd never really read any BL stuff despite being a fan for years. I'd just never made the transition to reading BL stuff. Which I think is not actually that abnormal. GW advertises it but somewhere along the lines many just don't transition to the stories. So yeps I'm a good while behind. It helps that the BL stuff is much more "adventure" than "epic" and whilst I do love a good epic saga I've grown tired of them for a bit. So with so much of the current fantasy market still hounding for epic sagas, I'm turning the clock back a bit.
It's just a shame I'm more a xenos fan and Tyranid fan because BL didn't really do as much for them. Old World tends to focus a bit more on humans too, though AoS is making great inroads to not being human focused. I also get the feeling we'll have more xenos for 40K in time too.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:In case you haven’t started that series much yet, Gaunt’s Ghosts is great up through Sabbat Martyr. Traitor General is about where Abnett started phoning it in.
I really enjoyed the whole series. Didn’t get a sense of it being phoned in at all. To each their own.
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Post by: totalfailure
Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.
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Post by: Alpharius
ImAGeek wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:In case you haven’t started that series much yet, Gaunt’s Ghosts is great up through Sabbat Martyr. Traitor General is about where Abnett started phoning it in.
I really enjoyed the whole series. Didn’t get a sense of it being phoned in at all. To each their own.
Agree with you completely!
I've got THE ANARCH on deck now, and I've really enjoyed the entire series - a lot.
So much of 40K fiction is...not really well done - at all.
This series - and most of what Dan's contributed to Black Library's...Library...has been quite good.
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Post by: Overread
 totalfailure wrote:Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.
Well Gotrek and Felix IS over
Though having read their entire core series (though not yet the End Times) I have to say I don't see any real reason to want them gone. Adventuring at its best.
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Post by: BrookM
Gaunt's Ghosts can suffer from arc fatigue, but it helps to simply read it in chunks. I've personally stopped halfway through His Last Command, but will start reading again, probably all the way from the start, with the Sabbat Worlds Crusade book on the side, the map included there does nicely give an idea of the scale of the campaign and why they've been hopping around so much across the system.
Honourbound by Rachel Harris is a more recent great Imperial Guard story that has a lot of Ghost vibes in a good way without feeling like a copy.
Overread wrote:It's just a shame I'm more a xenos fan and Tyranid fan because BL didn't really do as much for them. Old World tends to focus a bit more on humans too, though AoS is making great inroads to not being human focused. I also get the feeling we'll have more xenos for 40K in time too.
It is easier and certainly more relatable to write from the perspective of humanity, even if they're millennia in the future or past. But more Xenos stuff is coming, to the chagrin of some grognards. Guy Haley has done a short story and audio drama from Ork perspective that isn't an utter headache to read through, hopefully the upcoming Brutal Kunnin will be of the same sort.
Eight Lamentations is a great Age of Sigmar adventure series that's sadly cut short by the departure of the author, but that one showed great promise.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Overread wrote: totalfailure wrote:Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.
Well Gotrek and Felix IS over
Though having read their entire core series (though not yet the End Times) I have to say I don't see any real reason to want them gone. Adventuring at its best.
Gotrek and Maleneth is pretty good 
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Post by: BrianDavion
I didn't know you could get the space wolf omnibus as an ebook, you certainly can't on the BL website :(
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Post by: Overread
BrianDavion wrote:
I didn't know you could get the space wolf omnibus as an ebook, you certainly can't on the BL website :(
Sometimes there are inconsistencies between the two. Eg the Great Devourer omnibus was once only on the BL site and not on Amazon.
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Post by: totalfailure
Overread wrote: totalfailure wrote:Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.
Well Gotrek and Felix IS over
Though having read their entire core series (though not yet the End Times) I have to say I don't see any real reason to want them gone. Adventuring at its best.
Gotrek and Felix are traveling. Felix is melancholy and wipes his runny nose on a threadbare red Sudetenland wool cloak. Gotrek is cheerful and eager for battle. A (fill in the blank enemy) approaches! Felix is fearful but remains steadfast in the end. Gotrek rubs his thumb on the edge of his ax and charges into battle. Much combat; Felix's sword arm begins to ache, while Gotrek chops (enemy) into confetti. Felix is grateful to still be alive, and Gotrek is disappointed at not meeting his mighty death. Wash, rinse, repeat...
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Post by: Overread
totalfailure wrote: Overread wrote: totalfailure wrote:Sorry, but got to agree here - this is a series that like Gotrek & Felix, has overstayed its welcome. Time to move on.
Well Gotrek and Felix IS over
Though having read their entire core series (though not yet the End Times) I have to say I don't see any real reason to want them gone. Adventuring at its best.
Gotrek and Felix are traveling. Felix is melancholy and wipes his runny nose on a threadbare red Sudetenland wool cloak. Gotrek is cheerful and eager for battle. A (fill in the blank enemy) approaches! Felix is fearful but remains steadfast in the end. Gotrek rubs his thumb on the edge of his ax and charges into battle. Much combat; Felix's sword arm begins to ache, while Gotrek chops (enemy) into confetti. Felix is grateful to still be alive, and Gotrek is disappointed at not meeting his mighty death. Wash, rinse, repeat...
Yeah, however you can do that to almost all stories and they can be boiled down to the point where someone writes a book proposing that there's only 7 stories in the world. It's an attitude I tend to avoid.
I think for some the repetition is part of the enjoyment; the flow of the story and narrative. Besides your'e leaving out the loss of friends, the new characters, the freaking huge airship that appears more than once etc...
I get what you mean, but at the same time I think that boiling it down to that you can say the same for any adventure series
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Post by: totalfailure
My point is that it is okay for a novel or two, or maybe a trilogy. But when you draw it out for a dozen more books like Gotrek and the Ghosts, it gets pretty stale when you read it for the 27th time...
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I enjoyed all of the William King Gotrek and Felix books, although the last two were showing some fatigue. For me, the stories work the same way a great sitcom works: I get to spend time with characters I genuinely enjoy spending time with, and something witty happens sometimes. Nathan Long wrote something decent stories, but his characters didn’t feel like the Gotrek and Felix I knew and loved, his stories focused more on advancing a plot than enjoying it.
Gaunt’s Ghosts was much more driven by story arcs from books 3 to uh, Sabbat Martyr. Then the majority of the arcs are resolved or paid off. It was clearly the conclusion of the series...until BL showed up with another cheque book. Then the stories felt like post-Cell DBZ: Mkoll is the best sniper who ever sniper. MkVenner ditto with scout instead of sniper. MkEtc the best etc, etc.. it was a jump from Dan Abnett Has Read Sharpe to Dan Abnett Has Read The X-Men.
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Post by: BrookM
More accurate would probably be, Dan has written the X-Men.
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Post by: JWBS
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Gaunt’s Ghosts was much more driven by story arcs from books 3 to uh, Sabbat Martyr. Then the majority of the arcs are resolved or paid off. It was clearly the conclusion of the series...until BL showed up with another cheque book. Then the stories felt like post-Cell DBZ: Mkoll is the best sniper who ever sniper. MkVenner ditto with scout instead of sniper. MkEtc the best etc, etc.. it was a jump from Dan Abnett Has Read Sharpe to Dan Abnett Has Read The X-Men.
Also, friend becomes enemy, enemy becomes friend. Sharpe in Space aka Gaunt's Ghosts absolutely needs to be over.
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Post by: ImAGeek
JWBS wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Gaunt’s Ghosts was much more driven by story arcs from books 3 to uh, Sabbat Martyr. Then the majority of the arcs are resolved or paid off. It was clearly the conclusion of the series...until BL showed up with another cheque book. Then the stories felt like post-Cell DBZ: Mkoll is the best sniper who ever sniper. MkVenner ditto with scout instead of sniper. MkEtc the best etc, etc.. it was a jump from Dan Abnett Has Read Sharpe to Dan Abnett Has Read The X-Men.
Also, friend becomes enemy, enemy becomes friend. Sharpe in Space aka Gaunt's Ghosts absolutely needs to be over.
You could just, not read anymore.
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Post by: JWBS
ImAGeek wrote:JWBS wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Gaunt’s Ghosts was much more driven by story arcs from books 3 to uh, Sabbat Martyr. Then the majority of the arcs are resolved or paid off. It was clearly the conclusion of the series...until BL showed up with another cheque book. Then the stories felt like post-Cell DBZ: Mkoll is the best sniper who ever sniper. MkVenner ditto with scout instead of sniper. MkEtc the best etc, etc.. it was a jump from Dan Abnett Has Read Sharpe to Dan Abnett Has Read The X-Men.
Also, friend becomes enemy, enemy becomes friend. Sharpe in Space aka Gaunt's Ghosts absolutely needs to be over.
You could just, not read anymore.
I've done that already, but we need to go further.
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Post by: Alpharius
We really don't?
But either way, I imagine we are nearing the end there anyway?
He need to devote more time to his Inquisition stuff!
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Post by: BrookM
He's working on both Siege of Terra* and Bequin right now, he powered through the last few Ghost stories first because people had waited on those for quite some time now. But hopefully February next year we'll finally see book two of the Bequin trilogy, wouldn't surprise me if they timed it for BL day 2021.
* It'll be interesting to see who will do what book. It would be neat if he was the one to pen the last novel in the entire series, so it could start and end with him. But also really curious to see what Chris Wraight will write.
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Post by: reds8n
https://www.warhammer-community.com/blacklibrarycomingsoon/
November books.. yah !
Next set of novellas ..yah !
... and they're in hardback.....  
...Was not expecting anything Soul Drinker related ever again.
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Post by: ImAGeek
BrookM wrote:He's working on both Siege of Terra* and Bequin right now, he powered through the last few Ghost stories first because people had waited on those for quite some time now. But hopefully February next year we'll finally see book two of the Bequin trilogy, wouldn't surprise me if they timed it for BL day 2021.
* It'll be interesting to see who will do what book. It would be neat if he was the one to pen the last novel in the entire series, so it could start and end with him. But also really curious to see what Chris Wraight will write.
Dan is pretty much confirmed to be doing the last Siege novel yeah.
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Post by: Overread
YES! A 5th Omnibus edition of Gotrek and Felix. Two novels and then short stories sounds like they are starting with the stand alone stories. Interesting choice as I'd thought the 5th would have been End Times, instead it seems that they will now likely cover all the stories and then End Times
YES! Another Chronicles of the Old World this time Elves. Always great to see these since they are an affordable and often nicely collected way to get into the Old World stories.
YES! A new Novella series though odd there only seems to be 1 AoS story
ALSO YES - Bonereapers and Daughters of Khaine are both getting books!
Really glad to see this selection, it sounds like BL is up and running as normal again
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Post by: BrookM
Bit disappointing that the novellas are hardbacks now all of the sudden. But then again, probably only going to get the Bloody Rose one, so far the stories by that author have not been disappointing.
And this time around, only five stories in the series, odd. Was expecting another Guard story that pretty much copy-pastes an existing story into 40k.
Also very tempted by the limited edition of Ravenor, would make a fine addition to my collection of Ravenor books.
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Post by: Overread
Part tempted by Ravenor but depends what goes into it. If its just a hardback with cover art and a tassle bookmark I won't bother.
Novellas sounds like we are perhaps getting half as many stories for the same price (would fit with GW generally costing double in hardback). Then again perhaps they are only teasing some now and will tease more later.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:Bit disappointing that the novellas are hardbacks now all of the sudden. But then again, probably only going to get the Bloody Rose one, so far the stories by that author have not been disappointing.
And this time around, only five stories in the series, odd. Was expecting another Guard story that pretty much copy-pastes an existing story into 40k.
It might be that they're breaking the novella series into multiple waves? Wouldn't be shocked if the hardback bit is related to who they could get publishing stuff. It's also interesting how many of the novellas are 40k compared to usual.
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Post by: Overread
40K often had a good number, but with 10 Novella it was mostly evenly split with AoS. That makes me wonder if they are just teasing a few now and more will get teased later.
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Post by: Knockagh
The Eldar drought continues. It’s like they don’t exist
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Post by: Mr Morden
Sad to see the novellas in hardback :( hopefuly will come out in paperback as well
Love the cover of Covens of Blood and def buy (in paperback)
Anything Badrukk could be fun.
some other good ones as well
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Don’t they usually release the novellas in collections eventually?
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Post by: Overread
Thus far the Novellas have all been individual books released in sets, but where you can buy individual ones. They are longer than short stories and thus far I don't think GW has complied them into a single purchase ever. Even the ebook purchase gives you each one as a separate file (book).
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Post by: BrookM
Some of the novella's have been re-released as anthologies or part of one.
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Post by: Nicorex
I'm pretty excited for the new Soul Drinkers book. Also what book had Luther escape from the Rock?
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Post by: Dysartes
Looks like a 40k book from an Ork perspective going up for pre-order next week - not much more known about it, but here's the WHC article.
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Post by: Overread
I welcome BL shattering the bonds of the Imperial perspective and breaking out into new xenos stories!
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Post by: Mentlegen324
I really hope the new novella series isn't just hardback. While a hardback version is nice, they recently released another hardback Novella, "Ciaphas Cain: Old Soldiers Never Die" - at £10. If that's an indication of the sort of price, then that's a huge jump.
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Post by: Overread
GW is sometimes annoyingly odd like that. Then again most of their hardback books do get a paperback, just weeks/months later. If anything it might be showing that the novella are doing so well that they are going for normal distribution like their other books. Of course its a pain if you want to read them in physical form and have to wait for the paperback.
Thankfully they aren't too bad on books, save for limited edition lore/art books and when they shifted the Inferno reprints from 5 to 10 books in one go; which shifted the price from £25 to £50. Granted it means we get the whole set faster, but its a big price jump. Though my by count we've only one more 10 book set before its complete!
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Post by: Eldarain
Excited to see the Bloodquest reprint get some modern branded cover art.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Overread wrote:YES! A 5th Omnibus edition of Gotrek and Felix. Two novels and then short stories sounds like they are starting with the stand alone stories. Interesting choice as I'd thought the 5th would have been End Times, instead it seems that they will now likely cover all the stories and then End Times
And thank jeebus for that, the ET novels are very much best avoided. Indeed hopefully they keep all ET-related stories out of the Chronicles imprint to ensure no poor newbie is made to read them by accident, they can get their own reprint run later for the seven people who like them. Even setting aside my personal dislike for the ET as a whole, Kinslayer and Slayer are almost as bad as Deathblade, just miserable affairs.
EDIT: Ewww, I actually hadn't noticed that Eldarain. What a shame, especially since they stuck with the decent logo for Daemonifuge. Seems like an odd choice as well - these are clearly nostalgia products first & foremost, I doubt "brand synergy" with modern 40K is high on the list of priorities for the people buying these(often quite the reverse, I suspect).
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Post by: Overread
Chronicles has at least a year before they need to touch End Times
https://warminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/08/31/warhammer-fantasy-classic-black-library-listings/
If you look at the Individual series there's at least 8 more to go of formal series to put into a single chronicles tome.
Gotrek and Felix could do another Omnibus before needing to touch end times (assuming that they keep.
Darkblade is another that could do with some omnibus editions; though I believe he's also got a comic series too?
Round it all off with a few collected individual stories and short story collections of the short stories not already in a collected volume. If they go back to one a month that they mostly had last year, then Chronicles could be completed in a year or two.
Personally I'd welcome them finishing the chronicls format and then cleaning up the BL website to better display it all.
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Post by: Eldarain
 Yodhrin wrote:
Ewww, I actually hadn't noticed that Eldarain. What a shame, especially since they stuck with the decent logo for Daemonifuge. Seems like an odd choice as well - these are clearly nostalgia products first & foremost, I doubt "brand synergy" with modern 40K is high on the list of priorities for the people buying these(often quite the reverse, I suspect).
To clarify I'm not a fan of the new logo (nor really that cover to be honest) I'm more excited it confirms the rerelease is happening. Deeply regret selling my copies.
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Post by: Overread
Late night musing on the new Gotrek and Felix Omnibus and what it might hold. The description lists that there will be 2 Novels (of which one involves a Serpent Queen), 4 Novellas and a selection of short stories
Edit - also in a moment of late inspiration I checked Amazon where the description specifically states the two novels included, but not the short story nor novella titles
From the published books on the Black Library website and excluding those already included in the Omnibus 1 through 4 we've the following potentials:
2 Novels.:
The Serpent Queen - confirmed
Road of Skulls - confirmed
City Of The Damned - not mentioned as included on Amazon page.
4 Novella
From what I can tell the four stories included in Gotrek & Felix: Lost Tales, make up the currently listed novella style stories for them. Which would make the selection:
Charnel Congress
The Reckoning
Into the Valley of Death
Curse of the Everliving - bit of an odd one as this is an audio transcript for an audio story (or at least I can only find an audio version listed).
A selection of short stories:
Berthold's Beard
Golgfag's Revenge
The Contest
Marriage of Moment
The Lost Kinsmen (currently included in Myths and Legends and the only one of those 3 stories that isn't as yet in an Omnibus edition)
Which basically means there's a very high chance that this book will nearly complete the entire Gotrek and Felix adventures within the Omnibus editions. The only ones outstanding will be the End Times stories (which might well end up in an End Times collection for Gotrek and Felix or part of one specifically comprised of the End Times stories in general) and perhaps one of the Novels and a few short stories. Note that there's every chance that they could also include other short stories which might have been published, but which are not now sold on the BL website (my named selection above is based on what is currently sold on BL that I can find). Of course they might leave several short stories out to be combined with City of the Damned as a final 6th Omnibus, perhaps also with the End Times. Automatically Appended Next Post: Pages from the upcoming Marvel and GW comic
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/25/marvel-and-warhammer-the-first-comic-revealedgw-homepage-post-1fw-homepage-post-2/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=40k&utm_content=40k-maneuscalgarcomic-SEP11&fbclid=IwAR0ZWt_nArQPJy0FzGJDy5MKm1p_EtzLCz97davpyRqMhXhW7x8BheFYFv4
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Post by: Knockagh
Anyone thinking of trying Brutal Kunnin? I’m not sure I could take a full length novel from an orks perspective.
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Post by: Overread
Knockagh wrote:Anyone thinking of trying Brutal Kunnin? I’m not sure I could take a full length novel from an orks perspective.
I want to read it if just to help support the notion that Xenos books sell and thus help toward getting more Xenos focused novels!
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Post by: Knockagh
Overread wrote: Knockagh wrote:Anyone thinking of trying Brutal Kunnin? I’m not sure I could take a full length novel from an orks perspective.
I want to read it if just to help support the notion that Xenos books sell and thus help toward getting more Xenos focused novels!
Ha, I feel your pain brother! Eldar seem to have been totally forgotten. They played a massive role in the whole rift, then we had two books and then years of silence.
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Post by: GaroRobe
Hopefully the full Trazyn book will be good. War in the Museum was a good story, and the character himself is always fun
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Post by: BrookM
If in doubt, there are extracts on the BL site: https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/brutal-kunnin-ebook-2020.html
Dialogue shown is easy to read and follow with some odd spelling and slang thrown in, but the author did not thankfully go overboard with the orkyness, as some have done in the past.
Also, any doubts I had about the Crime imprint are well and proper done away with, almost done with the anthology novel and it hasn't disappointed either, so actually looking forward to the next Crime novel now. Still need to get used to 40k stories penned by official BL authors dropping hard f-bombs, but I guess as this line is aimed at a more mature audience, that's why they went with it.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Knockagh wrote:Anyone thinking of trying Brutal Kunnin? I’m not sure I could take a full length novel from an orks perspective.
I really liked the short story about the Ork character from the novel so I will definitely read it. Also Wh40k Orks are my favourite ''orcs' so I may be a little biased
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Post by: Dysartes
Quick question - the pre-order preview mentions the "Imperial Infantryman's Handbook". Is this distinct from the old "Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer"?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 Dysartes wrote:Quick question - the pre-order preview mentions the "Imperial Infantryman's Handbook". Is this distinct from the old "Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer"?
It’s probably got a new hat.
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Post by: schoon
Dysartes wrote:Quick question - the pre-order preview mentions the "Imperial Infantryman's Handbook". Is this distinct from the old "Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer"?
IIRC, the former is an updated/expanded version of the latter. Adjusted for changes in the background since the first one was published.
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Post by: BrookM
It's a reprint of the classic brown book / Imperial Infantryman's Handbook a.k.a. Uplifting Primer (black book) and Munitorum Manual (green book) combined into one book, minus the Damocles Gulf content that was in the second edition (blue cover) of the Uplifting Primer.
I'd be shocked if this reprint actually contained any new content or the few extra pages from the Damocles Gulf edition.
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BrookM wrote:It's a reprint of the classic brown book / Imperial Infantryman's Handbook a.k.a. Uplifting Primer (black book) and Munitorum Manual (green book) combined into one book, minus the Damocles Gulf content that was in the second edition (blue cover) of the Uplifting Primer.
I'd be shocked if this reprint actually contained any new content or the few extra pages from the Damocles Gulf edition.
So are you picking up a copy to finish off your collection?
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Post by: BrookM
Not really seeing a reason to do so, it might be nice if this reprint is in a larger format, which would make for a nice roleplay prop, but as is, probably not. Already got both versions of the primer.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
But this version has a new hat!
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Finished Brutal Kunnin. One of the best reads I had from BL. Sadly, not the entire book was from the orkish perspective (about maybe 50%?) but even other parts were interesting and good written. I definitely recommend it for any wh40k fan, and for greenskins fans it is a must.
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Post by: BrookM
Hoping to pick up my copy tomorrow, looking forward to it.
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Post by: Overread
BL NEWS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/30/festive-treats-from-black-library/
So the advent bundle of art is back, I really wish GW made this general sale and not some 1K limited release with an insanely high price tag :(
Confirmation that the next novella release is 5 books not 10 and in hardback. 3 40K, 1 AoS and 1 Necromunda. Feels a bit of a let down compared to the previous releases, not sure if its Corona or if its a new approach to charging the same but giving us half as much but in hardback. Still be nice to get (even if I'll only be getting ebook versions).
Lone Wolves is getting a colour and hardback reprint - Spacewolves vs Tyranids
And there's a "wintery surprise hint" at the end. Automatically Appended Next Post: And in more BL related talk I recently picked up The Eldar omnibus edition and started reading. Just finished "Path of the Warrior" by by Gav Thorpe.
It's a curious read and isn't what I'd recommend to someone who isn't a lore/eldar fan already nor someone who isn't familiar with GW in general. It's got a story to it, but the characters don't really draw you in. The lead is hard to connect with and the support often drift in and out at only choice moments and sort of blur a bit one to the next.
The story reads more like an author used to writing codex style entries being made to write more rather than an experienced story teller. This can make it feel a bit clunky.
At the same time if you've an interest in Eldar lore and want to delve a bit deeper its a treasure trove of information. The way its displayed also gives you some really neat insights into Eldar society, social roles, mental and physical challenges and the darker side of their species and the challenges they have to survive.
On that score it wins. It's just not a gripping story getting you there sadly.
There are better, but there are worse. It's not unreadable it just doesn't grab you with story and characters so much as with worldbuilding, lore and seeing how some events and situations transpire in more depth than a codex.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Lone Wolves is the second (Deff Skwardron rulez!) best BL comic book IMO.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Why does the Space Wolf have his Great Company / pack markings on the wrong shoulders?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Probably just an image flip.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
I really dislike what they're doing with the next set of Novella's. The point of them was to be a cheap £3 collectable series, having the next set be hardback only seems to go against that idea if it has a big price increase, and they obviously won't fit on the shelf together as well.
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Post by: Overread
I really liked the idea of the novellas; they were more meaty than a short story and let you really get into things; but weren't the full size and price of a novel. Now it seems that BL is sort of pushing them closer to being a novel.
I don't mind the hardback, its the reduction in the number and the likely price increase. We'll have to see how things settle - hopefully the ebook versions won't go up in price.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Overread wrote:I really liked the idea of the novellas; they were more meaty than a short story and let you really get into things; but weren't the full size and price of a novel. Now it seems that BL is sort of pushing them closer to being a novel.
I don't mind the hardback, its the reduction in the number and the likely price increase. We'll have to see how things settle - hopefully the ebook versions won't go up in price.
The only other hardback novella I can remember releasing recently has been "Ciaphas Cain: Old Soldiers Never Die", and that's priced at £10. From what I can tell the original book was a limited edition release available only at a weekender event, so I hope that's the reason for the high price rather than being indicative of hardback novella pricing, because if the new ones are that much then it's just absurd and entirely defeats the point of them.
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
BrookM wrote:He's working on both Siege of Terra* and Bequin right now, he powered through the last few Ghost stories first because people had waited on those for quite some time now. But hopefully February next year we'll finally see book two of the Bequin trilogy, wouldn't surprise me if they timed it for BL day 2021.
* It'll be interesting to see who will do what book. It would be neat if he was the one to pen the last novel in the entire series, so it could start and end with him. But also really curious to see what Chris Wraight will write.
I think it should end with Loken saying "I was there when the emperor killed Horus". It would be the perfect ending. But the GW and BL that wrote Horus Rising is long gone. It will probley end with crawl and primaries marines saving the day. :(
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Post by: ImAGeek
 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote: BrookM wrote:He's working on both Siege of Terra* and Bequin right now, he powered through the last few Ghost stories first because people had waited on those for quite some time now. But hopefully February next year we'll finally see book two of the Bequin trilogy, wouldn't surprise me if they timed it for BL day 2021.
* It'll be interesting to see who will do what book. It would be neat if he was the one to pen the last novel in the entire series, so it could start and end with him. But also really curious to see what Chris Wraight will write.
I think it should end with Loken saying "I was there when the emperor killed Horus". It would be the perfect ending. But the GW and BL that wrote Horus Rising is long gone. It will probley end with crawl and primaries marines saving the day. :(
Yeah, no.
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Post by: BrookM
Such, utter flipping nonsense..
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Post by: Danny76
Mentlegen324 wrote:I really dislike what they're doing with the next set of Novella's. The point of them was to be a cheap £3 collectable series, having the next set be hardback only seems to go against that idea if it has a big price increase, and they obviously won't fit on the shelf together as well.
Perhaps paperback will follow after?
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Post by: Knockagh
Mentlegen324 wrote: Overread wrote:I really liked the idea of the novellas; they were more meaty than a short story and let you really get into things; but weren't the full size and price of a novel. Now it seems that BL is sort of pushing them closer to being a novel.
I don't mind the hardback, its the reduction in the number and the likely price increase. We'll have to see how things settle - hopefully the ebook versions won't go up in price.
The only other hardback novella I can remember releasing recently has been "Ciaphas Cain: Old Soldiers Never Die", and that's priced at £10. From what I can tell the original book was a limited edition release available only at a weekender event, so I hope that's the reason for the high price rather than being indicative of hardback novella pricing, because if the new ones are that much then it's just absurd and entirely defeats the point of them.
The Cain book also had a number of really nice art pages in it. Something I doubt we will get in this series. I will stick with inferno for shorts.
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Post by: CragHack
Luther is the true son of Caliban. feth Lion. I WILL GET THAT BOOK!
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Post by: Shadow Walker
I will not get a limited edition but Luther one is a must read for me.
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Post by: BrookM
If the Ravenor special edition is decently priced, I'll be getting one for my collection.
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Post by: Quasistellar
Ravenor looks good -- and believe it or not I still haven't read the Ravenor books. Might have to snag that one!
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Post by: Mr Morden
Nearly finished Bloodlines by Chris Wraight (Warhamemr Crime) and really impressed.
Very light 40k overlay on a very decent cyberpunk novel.
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Post by: Overread
Another page preview from the upcoming Marvel Comic
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Post by: BrookM
Have read the first issue and it's.. okay. Certainly a step up from the BOOM! and Titan stuff they did before, but still nothing special going on there.
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Post by: Danny76
Is this something new?
I don’t remember monthly deals before?
Aside from the lockdown audios.
What did it go down to? I missed the news till today
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Post by: Shadow Walker
BrookM wrote:Have read the first issue and it's.. okay. Certainly a step up from the BOOM! and Titan stuff they did before, but still nothing special going on there.
Agreed. It is just ok. Maybe later it will improve, its dialogues especially could be better.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Interesting images
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Post by: BrookM
Some of the art is decent enough and overall it adheres to the visuals of the setting, but this may just be me, the 2000AD / black and white Warhammer Monthly comics reader, talking.
Spoilered for size.
But again, so far it's just okay and pretty basic.
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Post by: JWBS
Looks ok. I haven't read a comic in decades and I think a large portion of BL stuff these days is low-calibre writing but I quite like the panels shown above. The expositional nature of the text isn't ideal, but I'm missing context here so I can't judge too harshly. He used the phrase "A Heretic dies" and we get some decent pics. BL books are only rarely engaging or otherwise well written so I can't really say this comic is too egregious, relatively speaking.
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Post by: Danny76
Anyone read Lords of Silence?
It’s the audio of the month so I might grab it. It’s equal to another month of Audible really so spades that for something else (though I still have two built up)
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Post by: JWBS
It's good. I really enjoy Wraight's 30K stuff, his 40K stuff isn't as good imo but LoS is one of the better ones. I found one of the threads in the story to be really quite grim and depressing, which can be positive or negative depending on your perspective. They did a good job with the audio version too, I definitely recommend LoS.
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Post by: Knockagh
Danny76 wrote:Anyone read Lords of Silence?
It’s the audio of the month so I might grab it. It’s equal to another month of Audible really so spades that for something else (though I still have two built up)
This book is well loved. Chris is brilliant but I can’t say I connected with this one. I’ve tried it several time’s and never finished it. Can’t really say why. I’ve tried it on audible and returned it. That’s probably because of the reader John Banks who I’m not a fan of. I will finish it someday but I’ve found it tough going!
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Knockagh wrote:Danny76 wrote:Anyone read Lords of Silence?
It’s the audio of the month so I might grab it. It’s equal to another month of Audible really so spades that for something else (though I still have two built up)
I’ve tried it several time’s and never finished it.
I had similar. Could not go past X pages. Normaly I like Chris' books but this one was difficult to go through. Perhaps just Death Guard post Heresy is not for me?
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Post by: Danny76
Interesting mix. I’ll take the risk for the price.
I like Wraight as an author and have no issues with Banks as a reader.
We shall see how it goes.
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Post by: alphaecho
There's a new audio Humble Bundle available for Black Library products.
Additionally, from Forbiddenplanet.com, it appears Helsreach will be the second release under the Warhammer Masterworks label.
Looks like moody head shots will be the theme for the covers.
https://forbiddenplanet.com/catalog/?q=warhammer+masterworks
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Finished audio Sons of Behemat-ok story but nothing special, and the voice acting was sometimes lacking, especially when it should be multiple people shouting (it heard like 2 trying to pretend 5 or more).
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Post by: CragHack
Same here, finished Sons of Tvojumat audiobook. It was like reading the first Realmgate Novels, with an underline of “hey, every army can ally these, so buy them” I could’ve rather saved the money on something better. But hey, what could you expect from a no name writer...
2 more hours until Luther pre orders!
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Yeah, cannot wait for this one (in regular format). Hopefully it will not disappoint.
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Post by: CragHack
Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
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Post by: Shadow Walker
 CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Only the circle within a circle. BTW it is a secret
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Post by: Dryaktylus
CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Sold out now. And many Protestants will be surprised and disturbed.
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Actually, this took quite some time to sell out.
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Post by: JimmyWolf87
CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Maybe it's just because it's Gav who somehow manages to be the worst Dark Angels writer despite being the premier Dark Angels writer.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I passed on Luther, although I will get the regular edition I’m sure. Ordered The Reverie though, very excited for a new Peter Fehervari novel.
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Post by: Dryaktylus
JimmyWolf87 wrote: CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Maybe it's just because it's Gav who somehow manages to be the worst Dark Angels writer despite being the premier Dark Angels writer.
Nah, that as Bill King *looking at my Lame Bear avatar*.
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Post by: Danny76
ImAGeek wrote:I passed on Luther, although I will get the regular edition I’m sure. Ordered The Reverie though, very excited for a new Peter Fehervari novel.
Is his stuff good then?
I’ve not gotten round to any yet.
Was working through all the Severina Raine stuff, but already steeped aside for the Lion.
I do have his book before this though.
And anything from the Humble that may be his..?
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Post by: JimmyWolf87
 Dryaktylus wrote:JimmyWolf87 wrote: CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Maybe it's just because it's Gav who somehow manages to be the worst Dark Angels writer despite being the premier Dark Angels writer.
Nah, that as Bill King *looking at my Lame Bear avatar*.
Remind what Dark Angels stuff Bill King did?
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Post by: Old-Four-Arms
The Deathwing short story in the 1990 Deathwing anthology was written by Bryan Ansell and William (= Bill) King.
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Post by: GaroRobe
Dryaktylus wrote:JimmyWolf87 wrote: CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Maybe it's just because it's Gav who somehow manages to be the worst Dark Angels writer despite being the premier Dark Angels writer.
Nah, that as Bill King *looking at my Lame Bear avatar*.
Phi Kelly wrote War of Secrets, so I feel like he should be pretty high up on the list.
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Post by: Knockagh
CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Ordered 2? Well done you. Are you an eBay scalper that makes the hobby that little bit more sour for many folk, or is at present for someone??
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Post by: JWBS
Knockagh wrote: CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Ordered 2? Well done you. Are you an eBay scalper that makes the hobby that little bit more sour for many folk, or is at present for someone??
"Scalper" is hyperbolic for a person that buys two of a thing and then sells one of them imo.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
The Infinite and the Divine - I stopped after 100 or so pages and started skipping them being extremely bored (the ending and the whole story being predictable too). Basically it I had a feel of a just a longer version of the short story War in the Museum. People who expected more alien Necrons will also be dissapointed because there are just metal not Egyptian humans bickering with each other. Recommended only if you really need to read everything Necrons related.
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Post by: CragHack
Knockagh wrote: CragHack wrote:Ordered 2 Luthers 8 minutes in and it hasn't sold out yet. Guess it's because it's Luther and not that many know him?
Ordered 2? Well done you. Are you an eBay scalper that makes the hobby that little bit more sour for many folk, or is at present for someone??
Nah, I will just keep it and trade it for some other LE I might want and miss in the future. Or just sell it for msrp+fees for someone who missed it
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Post by: Eldarain
Is the Black Library preorder start the same as the GW one? Ie. 10am PST Sat morning?
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Post by: Overread
 Eldarain wrote:Is the Black Library preorder start the same as the GW one? Ie. 10am PST Sat morning?
Typically yes.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Are Dark Angels books supposed to be good? Seems like that would miss the point.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
The new Novellas are £6 each, which is 1/3 the cost of a hardback, so not a terrible price...but It still seems to completely defeat the point of them I think. They've gone from a very cheap inexpensive collectable series, to more of a luxury version at twice the price and in a way that doesn't fit in with the rest of them. I really hope they bring out a paperback version otherwise it's just a baffling decision.
Saw there's a Black Library art print advent calendar too, but can't see anything showing what sort of thing they're like. Have they not previewed any?
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Post by: Overread
Its A3 but they don't tend to preview much - part of it is it being a surprise. but you can expect them to be their normal high quality art prints. There's only about 1500 of the sets though and at £50 its not cheap. Sadly its the kind of thing I'd like but as an Xmas gift, but because GW only luxury prints them by the time it gets near Christmas they are long long gone.
I do agree about the Novellas, we can hope that GW does release the paperback versions later as normal with others. I'm also sad to see so few compared to the previous releases; but that could be in part Corona causing some issues (perhaps though you'd think writing would be an easy one to keep going during lockdowns unless it was limited by access to things like professional formatting software and archives of information so that stories were correctly written etc...)(
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Overread wrote:Its A3 but they don't tend to preview much - part of it is it being a surprise. but you can expect them to be their normal high quality art prints. There's only about 1500 of the sets though and at £50 its not cheap. Sadly its the kind of thing I'd like but as an Xmas gift, but because GW only luxury prints them by the time it gets near Christmas they are long long gone.
I do agree about the Novellas, we can hope that GW does release the paperback versions later as normal with others. I'm also sad to see so few compared to the previous releases; but that could be in part Corona causing some issues (perhaps though you'd think writing would be an easy one to keep going during lockdowns unless it was limited by access to things like professional formatting software and archives of information so that stories were correctly written etc...)(
Last years advent calendar was something I wanted but didn't buy, seems they go for quite a bit now so considering getting this years. I like art prints but so far the only W40K things I have are the ones given for store anniversarys with a £50 spend, i'm not sure how these compare to those. I can't see anything mentioning what sort of paper or card they come on, even.
At £2 a print it doesn't seem like a bad price really, although I am wondering just how far back for book cover art they might go, there's plenty of classic stuff that would be nice and I don't overly like AoS myself, so i hope that would include some WHF stuff.
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Post by: Knockagh
My wife bought me last years calendar. I loved it. I got two of them framed and left the back not taped up so I can change them. A year on I haven’t changed them! It was fantastic but I won’t be getting it this year, probably because of all the books being released in such a short period at the minute. Certainly would recommend the calendar to anyone who wants something a little different from chocolate or Lego!
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Post by: Mentlegen324
What was even the price of last years calendar? For some reason I think it was either £70 or £90 but I don't know if i'm thinking of something else. Was there a foil one last year too?
I ordered it anyway just incase, there's a week before release so there's time to cancel if i change my mind in that time. Wish there was at least one of the prints shown to give an idea of them, last year had the movie-style poster stuff which was kinda cool, but I'd prefer just the art itself.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Ah, so they're doing the movie poster thing again. Not sure what to think about that. A few of them seemed alright last time, but stuff like that Daughter of Khaine band poster there just seems like it takes away from the art really.
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Post by: Danny76
Were the audiobook offers once a month?
I grabbed the last one, but can’t remember how long ago it was now..
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Post by: Overread
Tis a great week Manling!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/08/sunday-preview-blood-on-the-pitch/
Special signed hardback edition of Ravenor.
Gotrek and Felix the 5th Omnibus
Issues 36-45 of INFERNO classic reprints up for 2 weeks only (made to order)
Siege of Terra Map
Siege of Terra The Solar War release
Collected Bloodbowl Omnibus and short story collection books!
In short a lot of great stuff!
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Post by: The Phazer
Oh man, that map is cool.
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Post by: Danny76
BL have answered my question of a book on offer for the app.
The Talon Of Horus is on offer this week, by ADB.
Only £8, one I was going to grab I think anyway.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
That Horus Heresy map looks great, but...it seems not quite as good as the Sabbat Crusade map? The Sabbat seems like it was was very long and had plenty of extra information on it too.
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Post by: Eldarain
With the return of Bloodquest and Daemonifuge I really hope Darkblade is up soon.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
So the Bloodquest reprint is out today.
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/1789992281/?coliid=I2J23MNR8GPISS&colid=ZFCP4NMFCMS4&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
It say part 1, but IIRC book 1 of the original series was under 100 pages and this is 250. Does anyone know if it includes all 3 parts (like Daemonfuge did) or just book 1?
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Post by: Mentlegen324
I just realized - This years Black Library Advent calendar is £50, but last years was £90. I'm wondering why that could be? Last years did all sell and it doesn't seem very much like GW to lower the price of something, especially not almost half.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
New episode of Calgar comic book is much better than a first one. It also reveals a secret (or at least one I did not know) about Marneus.
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Post by: Overread
Mentlegen324 wrote:I just realized - This years Black Library Advent calendar is £50, but last years was £90. I'm wondering why that could be? Last years did all sell and it doesn't seem very much like GW to lower the price of something, especially not almost half.
Perhaps they are testing the waters for making it a larger print run. Even now its very heavily limited in number yet if they find a sweet spot financially it could become a main thing. Heck they already give away lots of art of that size with store openings each year.
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Post by: Harriticus
Its been almost a year now since any new Siege of Terra novels has been announced. Weird they release 3 in 1 year then nothing the next.
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Post by: Danny76
Prior to the delays I’d have assumed that 3, 3 & 2 books a year was the plan (ignoring novellas).
Likely it’d be two next year and three the one after if there were to be changes there. The novella being delayed I assume means the follow on ones would each be delayed too..
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Post by: Dimrill
Not to dwell on it too much, but Aaron spoke on Twitter lately about his struggles with his mental health. I wouldn't be surprised if things have been delayed somewhat to give him time to recover.
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Post by: Earth127
I think it's more down to Covid throwing everything in dissaray and the Siege being a bit lost in the shuffle.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I’m quite surprised the map hasn’t sold out yet (in the UK that is)
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Post by: alphaecho
It contains Book and Book 2.
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Post by: Overread
For those who might be interested the CD versions of both Realmslayer audio dramas are on "last chance to buy" on the GW UK website. Whilst there is still likely stock in regional local stores, it does mean that if you want them you might want to get it sooner rather than later. Note I've on reason to think that GW will stop selling this story digitally; its purely the physical CD version that is likely reaching the end of its stocks.
The hardback print edition of Realmslayer is also on last-chance as well along with The Horus Heresy Audio Collection; Saga of the Beast audio, Attack of the Necron and City of lifestone cds.
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Post by: Harriticus
 Earth127 wrote:I think it's more down to Covid throwing everything in dissaray and the Siege being a bit lost in the shuffle.
I imagine covid would expediate the novels if anything. The authors are all sitting at home doing nothing, so are the cover artists. All work can be done via home. GW needs revenue now from things that aren't store-related as well so they should be keen on releasing new novels
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Post by: Danny76
Just because they’re at home doesn’t mean they have more time though.
Loss of childcare, or family all around at home too. All things can be disruptive to the process.
Maybe just getting out and about is something that helps some to be able to write better etc.
hard to say.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Thanks, that would be worthwhile.
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Post by: reds8n
so this years advent tales :
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/18/introducing-the-twelve-tales-of-christmas/
6 40k, 3 AOS and 3 HH ones -- released every even numbered day 2nd -24th of December.
Half the tales hail from the 41st Millennium, and include Imperial, Chaos, and xenos-themed stories. Join an Imperial Assassin on a dangerous mission, and witness a brush with fame for Ciaphas Cain that becomes a brush with death. Experience a tale of the Emperor’s Will with an interesting twist, and check in with the sons of Fenris. Discover a new story about Ctesias, acolyte of the infamous Ahriman, then see the galaxy from a greenskin perspective.
In the three stories from the Mortal Realms, you’ll take to the skies in a tale of the Kharadron Overlords, discover a dread secret in the company of Freeguild soldiers, and see what Gotrek Gurnisson has been up to. Killing things and drinking ale, probably.
Three Horus Heresy stories complete the collection, set across the length and breadth of the war. Check in with Perturabo after the Battle of Phall, see what life is like for surviving Imperial Knights who call Mars home, and root out treachery in the Jovian shipyards with Amendera Kendel.
You’ll notice that the cover for the final story isn’t available yet – we can reveal that it’s called ‘The Lightning Hall’ and it’s by Horus Heresy veteran Graham McNeill. Keep an eye out for the cover as we get closer to Christmas – think of it as a mini Christmas present!
You’ll be able to buy each of these stories individually, and if you want to read all 12, you can subscribe to get them added to your account as soon as they’re released – and you get all 12 for the price of 10!
Personally the HH ones sounds the most interesting -- although if Mr Haley's tale is indeed the BIG CONVERSATION a'twixt Guilliman and the Emperor after the former's return then that's confirmed buy.
Not too tempted by the AOS stories -- the non continuation of the AOS stories I was invested in has killed ones enthusiasm a tad and -- from a casual viewers perspective -- there appears to be almost too much.... randomness ..? not sure that's quite the right term here -- with regards to the setting and stories.
It's almost so large and unconnected that the tales lose impact somewhat.
Possibly.
Are the AOS Gotrek stories good -- the audio return was..... okay, few really good/great moments... few.. so-so ones --- I certainly enjoyed the old world stories, although I was very annoyed that Mr Long never got to finish off his particular story arc.
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Post by: Overread
Gotrek shorts are decent - the Neverspike is perhaps a bit lackluster because its more of a paired intro to the second audio novel. The Novella is great fun. I do think GW could even the odds though 9 stories for 40K and 3 for AoS is a bit unfair (yes yes I know 30K isn't 40K but its the same darn sci-fi setting stuff). Personally I'd have done 3 30K 3 40K 3 AoS 1 Bloodbowl; 1 Necromunda and 1 Warcry.
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Post by: BrookM
I think we could do with less HH at this point, more variety would be good. But as is, I no longer buy these bundles unless it features a story by Rachel Harrison or Danie Ware's Sororitas, otherwise I'll patiently wait for them to get reprinted in an anthology somewhere along the line.
In other news, happy to have secured a copy of the Ravenor reprint before some good for nothing scalper did, will make for an awesome anniversary gift.
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Post by: BrookM
From AD-B's Facebook:
Today's Tedious Rumination: One of the strangest elements of the Siege of Terra series is Expectation.
Unshockingly, the writing gang has discussed what readers want to see, what they're expecting to see, and what (we hope) we can show that they didn't know they wanted to see.
Some readers resent normal human characters getting airtime in the Siege because, I quote, "Shut up, this is the time for gods."
Others aren't that interested in the Primarchs' internal reasoning and care more about the reality & immersion of living through that insane conflict.
You can't achieve a universal balance with this. It's one of those things where everyone in the world lands separately, scattered across a spectrum.
How much of the macro scale do you show? The global? The metaphysical? How much of the micro scale? The human? The personal?
Smarter folks than me say: Write what feels right. Write the story you want to tell.
That's killer advice.
Not just for megaprojects like the Siege, fusing four decades of beautifully inconsistent (and inconsistently beautiful) lore.
I mean it's good writing advice in general.
This thread was brought to you by the letters A, D, and B.
...and a Saturday afternoon spent reading some intimidatingly great WIPs from someone else's Siege of Terra novel.
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Post by: Overread
Two new books coming up. The reguilar print version of Ephrael Stern: The Heretic Saint and another coloured comic - Lone Wolves. A hardback recoloured comic from the past (any good?)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/29/the-sunday-preview-warbands-of-the-mortal-realms/
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Post by: Eldarain
I bought the last B/W reprint of Lone Wolves. Has some nice panels but wasn't a very good story Imo. Still very pleased that the comic reprints continue.
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Post by: Old-Four-Arms
Content list of the Direchasm anthology
CONTENTS
The Mountain's Call by Graeme Lyon
Ghastlight by Anna Stephens
Last Rite of the Hag Queen by Dale Lucas
The Root of Death by Clint Werner
The Rage of the Mountain by Danie Ware
Claws of Famine by Miles A Drake
The Jabberslythe's Grin by Ben Counter
Heart of the Beast by Gary Kloster
Halls of Gold by Thomas Parrott
The Gnawblade by Denny Flowers
Chains of Fate by Nicholas Wolf
source
https://www.fnac.com/livre-numerique/a15482494/Ben-Counter-Direchasm
Above source also has a short extract of "The Mountain's Call"
The Slaaneshi warband's members are Vasillac (leader), Glissete (halberd girl), Hadzu (archer) and Slakeslash (Slaangor)
The Lumineth's names : Myari (leader), Bahannar (hammer), Ailenn (swordswoman), Senaela (archer)
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Post by: deano2099
 reds8n wrote:
Personally the HH ones sounds the most interesting -
We must be approaching the point now where there are enough uncollected HH stories that are not Siege related, that we're bound to see another collection - wonder if they will "go back" and make a "book 55" or do something different.
(Obviously we'll get at least one, probably more, SoT collections at some point, but a lot of these stories wouldn't really fit into them)
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Post by: Snrub
God he comes of as being a pretentious tosser sometimes.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Overread wrote:Gotrek shorts are decent - the Neverspike is perhaps a bit lackluster because its more of a paired intro to the second audio novel. The Novella is great fun. I do think GW could even the odds though 9 stories for 40K and 3 for AoS is a bit unfair (yes yes I know 30K isn't 40K but its the same darn sci-fi setting stuff). Personally I'd have done 3 30K 3 40K 3 AoS 1 Bloodbowl; 1 Necromunda and 1 Warcry.
I found the Gotrek Stories ok - Ghoulslayer I thought was very weak with only the FEC characters raising any interest.
I thought the Bone Desert was excellent - and disapointed that Robbie MacNiven has not written any more as thought it was more lively and more interesting relationship with Gotrek and Malaneth.
Its the same with the Neferata novels for me - they are "ok" and David Annandale kinda gets her right but not completely - there is a lack of enjoyment in her rule and also her favourites are too easily discarded for me - she uses them as pawns yes but tends to pretend more that she doesn't.
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Bone Desert certainly works and I like that Robbie wasn't going the whole "drow" angle with the DoK which seems to be what the Blood Coven trio of short story authors have gone for. It's not bad, but Drow are very childishly evil in many ways and it can come across a really hard to believe society when one gender is not just oppressing the other but very active in torturing them and slitting their throats every 5 seconds for blood (at some point you realise that males would just not hang around for that and would be escaping every moment they could).
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Post by: JWBS
 Snrub wrote:God he comes of as being a pretentious tosser sometimes.
Read his obituary for Alan Bligh. It's honestly among the worst gak I've ever read.
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Post by: terry
So in the upcomning bl preview dan abnett is going to be there and reveil a new book, could it finaly be penitent
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Post by: Alpharius
Only the penitent man will pass...
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Third episode of Calgar comic book is as good as the second. Looks like only the first was weaker.
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Post by: Danny76
Audible Sale on this week.
£3 buys.
There’s around 15-20 GW in there.
On that note. How are the new Gotrek books? As they are both in there..
As good as the old ones. Or something very different?
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Post by: Overread
Danny76 wrote:Audible Sale on this week.
£3 buys.
There’s around 15-20 GW in there.
On that note. How are the new Gotrek books? As they are both in there..
As good as the old ones. Or something very different?
The Realmslayer are not books, they are audio dramas. So they are slightly different from the books in how they are constructed. They are fun and they are Gotreks introduction into the Mortal Realms so I'd say if you've any interest in him have a listen! I still think that the best so far is the Bone Desert novella; but his Ghoulslayer book (which isn't the starting point, but is his first full book) is great fun
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Post by: BrookM
Just got word that my Inferno! reprints would have been sent to my GW store for collection this week, but due to how things are right now, I've been given the choice to have them refunded, shipped to my home address or have them hold onto it until the store opens again sometime in January.
Option two it is then.
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Post by: Danny76
Overread wrote:Danny76 wrote:Audible Sale on this week.
£3 buys.
There’s around 15-20 GW in there.
On that note. How are the new Gotrek books? As they are both in there..
As good as the old ones. Or something very different?
The Realmslayer are not books, they are audio dramas. So they are slightly different from the books in how they are constructed. They are fun and they are Gotreks introduction into the Mortal Realms so I'd say if you've any interest in him have a listen! I still think that the best so far is the Bone Desert novella; but his Ghoulslayer book (which isn't the starting point, but is his first full book) is great fun
I do have Bone Desert as I’ve got all the first series ones.
And turns out I’ve got Realmslayer too, it was in the Humble Audio.
So I shall grab Ghoul, then I’ve got it all?
I read all the old stuff aside from the (two?) end times era ones.
I guess I won’t bother with them now, if Realm shows him coming out this side, that’ll do?
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Post by: Overread
Danny76 wrote: Overread wrote:Danny76 wrote:Audible Sale on this week.
£3 buys.
There’s around 15-20 GW in there.
On that note. How are the new Gotrek books? As they are both in there..
As good as the old ones. Or something very different?
The Realmslayer are not books, they are audio dramas. So they are slightly different from the books in how they are constructed. They are fun and they are Gotreks introduction into the Mortal Realms so I'd say if you've any interest in him have a listen! I still think that the best so far is the Bone Desert novella; but his Ghoulslayer book (which isn't the starting point, but is his first full book) is great fun
I do have Bone Desert as I’ve got all the first series ones.
And turns out I’ve got Realmslayer too, it was in the Humble Audio.
So I shall grab Ghoul, then I’ve got it all?
I read all the old stuff aside from the (two?) end times era ones.
I guess I won’t bother with them now, if Realm shows him coming out this side, that’ll do?
Right now for Gotrek in AoS there's:
Books:
Ghoulslayer
The Bone Desert (Novella series 1)
Audio books:
Realmslayer
Realmslayer: Blood of the Old World
Realmslayer: Heirs of Grimnir [I don't think he features in this one, but it follows on the tale of the Fyreslayers he encounters)
Short stories:
Gotrek: One, Untended
The Neverspike (prequel to Ghoulslayer - in fact pretty much mandatory reading for the setup to Ghoulslayer)
Death on the Road to Svardheim
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Post by: Overread
News people - the latest Inferno reprints are shipping! Just got my email about it from GW
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Post by: BrookM
Sadly mine will still be some time out due to the current ongoing flustercluck across the Channel. 
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Post by: Overread
I'm just curious what they'll do about issue 46, the last one of that inferno run which wasn't in the final bundle.
Either on its own or perhaps paired with another classic reprint
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Post by: BrookM
The final run will probably be eleven instead of ten, I don't really see them pairing it with something else, though it would be interesting if they also did a reprint run of Warhammer Monthly at some point in the future, beats the stuff put out by BOOM!, Titan and Marvel.
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Post by: Overread
 BrookM wrote:The final run will probably be eleven instead of ten, I don't really see them pairing it with something else, though it would be interesting if they also did a reprint run of Warhammer Monthly at some point in the future, beats the stuff put out by BOOM!, Titan and Marvel.
I thought they'd do a final run of 11 but they haven't. This latest one is issues 36-45
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Post by: BrookM
Ah right, that is indeed an odd thing to do.
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Post by: Danny76
Today only.
Another sale on Audible.
Several books included.
Between £3-12 prices.
Not that I’ll ever pay if more than £8 credit price,
Anyone read then Horror book Dark Harvest by Reynolds?
That’s on there for £3, was thinking of grabbing it..
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Post by: Overread
Danny76 wrote:Today only.
Another sale on Audible.
Several books included.
Between £3-12 prices.
Not that I’ll ever pay if more than £8 credit price,
Anyone read then Horror book Dark Harvest by Reynolds?
That’s on there for £3, was thinking of grabbing it..
I've not read it, but Josh Reynolds is a very good writer and well worth a read.
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Post by: Danny76
Yeah I’ve got a few things by him but not got round to them yet.
I suppose for that price as long as it isn’t a known bad writer or newbie. Then it’s no risk..
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Post by: Overread
Do we need a new 2021 thread?
Also important update on the 4 next limited edition books coming out - dates and details and shiny photos within!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/06/black-library-limited-editions-ravenor-alpharius-and-more/
January
Mortis Book 5 in the Siege of Terra
Alpharius: Head of the Hydra
The Gate of Bones – Special Edition
March
Ravenor Returned – Limited Edition
Remember these are all limited editions and printed only in small quantities so if you want them get ready!
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Post by: BrookM
No word of the Bequin books however.
And no, I don't think we need a new one just yet, this one has been trundling along nicely since 2018, with the thread title updated whenever needed, as the usual suspects thankfully don't read the novels and instead mainly stick to the other topics for their gakposting.
edit.
It's weird that they're all of the sudden giving the Ravenor trilogy the limited re-release. I'd much rather see them re-release it in the same format as they did with the Eisenhorn books: in nice paperback format with new cover art.
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Post by: Danny76
I do like that about this thread. It always is what it says on the tin.
No diverging and bickering.
Im now about to start the Magos part of Magos.
So I’ll be itching for that Bequin book soon..
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm keen for that Alpharius limited edition - at what time in the USA should I be hitting F5 on the...er...GW or BL site?
And...on what day?
There are quite a few Saturdays left in January!
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Finished Apocalypse from the SM Conquest series. Nice book for a bolter-porn sub-genre. Contains a secret from the HH if you are keen to know such things.
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Post by: JWBS
Seeing as how I'd prefer to stare into an empty fish tank for 2 hours than read any more low quality BP sub-genre, I wouldn't mind at all if you spoil the secret (spoiler tags obviously).
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Post by: Shadow Walker
JWBS wrote:Seeing as how I'd prefer to stare into an empty fish tank for 2 hours than read any more low quality BP sub-genre, I wouldn't mind at all if you spoil the secret (spoiler tags obviously).
The novel is not bad by any means-as said it is a nice read for a bolter-porn.
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Post by: Alpharius
OK!
According to this:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/10/sunday-preview-plague-bearers-and-ring-wearers/
this coming Saturday is my shot at the LE Alpharius book.
Should I be looking for it on Black Library's site, or GW's main site?
And it will pop in at 1PM EST on Saturday, right?
And given the whole time zone thing, across the world, how exactly does Black Library handle that when it comes to limited numbers of books for sale?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Main site, they don’t do them on the Black Library site anymore. They have a certain number for different timezones (so they won’t all sell in the UK before they even go up in the US, if that’s what you’re worried about).
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Post by: Overread
Be there before the release time because whilst there is a set time, sometimes things go up just before. 20mins before would be good and then make sure you've got your payment details saved and such to process quickly etc...
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Post by: Alpharius
ImAGeek wrote:
Main site, they don’t do them on the Black Library site anymore. They have a certain number for different timezones (so they won’t all sell in the UK before they even go up in the US, if that’s what you’re worried about).
That was one of the things I was worried about - thanks!
Overread wrote:Be there before the release time because whilst there is a set time, sometimes things go up just before. 20mins before would be good and then make sure you've got your payment details saved and such to process quickly etc...
Thank you!
I'll get there early, and make sure my payment particulars are good to go...
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Post by: BrookM
With regards to payment, this has helped me immensely in the past with these purchases, buy an e-voucher in advance so you have enough credit on your account for a fast one-click checkout, as you don't have to deal with the hassle of waiting for a credit card or Paypal account to clear the transaction.
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Post by: Theophony
It's an Alpha Legion book. If you order it you might get a pretty wrapped copy of "The Cat in the Hat" with a post it saying Thanks for funding our espionage efforts.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
 Theophony wrote:It's an Alpha Legion book. If you order it you might get a pretty wrapped copy of "The Cat in the Hat" with a post it saying Thanks for funding our espionage efforts.
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Post by: Alpharius
 BrookM wrote:With regards to payment, this has helped me immensely in the past with these purchases, buy an e-voucher in advance so you have enough credit on your account for a fast one-click checkout, as you don't have to deal with the hassle of waiting for a credit card or Paypal account to clear the transaction.
Good advice - thanks!
Er...anyone know what these limited edition books cost?
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Post by: BrookM
Someone on Reddit said somewhere in the $60-80 range, but there should be a pricelist floating around somewhere in one of the many GW threads.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:Someone on Reddit said somewhere in the $60-80 range, but there should be a pricelist floating around somewhere in one of the many GW threads.
Pricelist usually comes out on Tuesday for GW.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
They're usually 40 English pounds, so whatever your gee dub inflated currency conversion to that is.
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Post by: ImAGeek
BrookM wrote:With regards to payment, this has helped me immensely in the past with these purchases, buy an e-voucher in advance so you have enough credit on your account for a fast one-click checkout, as you don't have to deal with the hassle of waiting for a credit card or Paypal account to clear the transaction.
My worry would be not getting it still, and having a £50 voucher that I probably won’t use for much else - I don’t buy a lot from GW direct!
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Post by: Knockagh
Does anyone use the actual Black Library site for anything anymore? I can’t remember the last time I bought anything from it directly. I only use GW main site. Not sure if BL site even sells physical books anymore
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Post by: BrookM
If they'd accept Paypal I'd buy more ebooks and audio dramas from there, but it is for some reason CC only still.
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Post by: Overread
Knockagh wrote:Does anyone use the actual Black Library site for anything anymore? I can’t remember the last time I bought anything from it directly. I only use GW main site. Not sure if BL site even sells physical books anymore
It's poorly put together for finding stuff that isn't the latest release unless you know the title and use search. Heck for some reason they "ran out of tab space" so all the Old World and a bunch of other stuff is all lumped into one messy listing.
They DO have everything they sell and GW doen't use DRM on their digital books if that is important to you (otherwise Kindle ebooks do). But it is messy to navigate and its hard to see what sets books are in (series) or what short stories are in collected editions etc...
Heck I had to make this
https://warminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/08/31/warhammer-fantasy-classic-black-library-listings/
over a few long afternoons just to make sense of the Old World publications. Did one for AoS too (because there they like to put the same stories into different collected editions)
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Post by: CragHack
I’m calling this absolute fething <removed> bs! The website went down for 15 minutes, only to show both Mortis and Alpharius books sold out! feth this fething gak...
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Post by: ImAGeek
Livid. I had it in my checkout from 9:55, website down for maintenance for me for 20 minutes, sold out. Reports of people managing to get both Alpharius and Mortis, and obviously scalper copies on eBay for £140.
They really need to sort the web store out if they’re gonna release 2 LEs the same day.
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Post by: The Phazer
Yeah, that was a total gakshow.
I has to put in my one time passcode for Mortis eight times, so if I get charged £400 I won't be happy.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 The Phazer wrote:Yeah, that was a total gakshow.
I has to put in my one time passcode for Mortis eight times, so if I get charged £400 I won't be happy.
Well, if you end up with 8, I’ll be happy to relieve you of one of them.
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So I thought I was calming down, and then I got the ‘you’ve left something in your basket’ email...
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Post by: MoD_Legion
Ow ffs my phone didnt give me any alerts and now I missed it again.. sadface.
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Post by: Marshal Loss
Mortis etc up on US now, got mine
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Post by: Alpharius
I have no idea how fast everything sold out, but I was able to get a copy of the LE Alpharius book - huzzah!
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Post by: Tavis75
I think I picked up both Mortis and Alpharius (got charged and confirmation e-mails, so fingers crossed), was a right mess though.
Went for Mortis first as I was more bothered about getting that, very slowly clicked through the checkout process, did the Paypal payment then after that I was redirected back to the GW Website Down message, though a few minutes after, that updated to the order placed screen.
Then went through for Alpharius, which was a bit smoother but still slow.
Later in the day I did get an e-mail from GW with the message "We saw you checking these items out (Mortis and Alpharius), why not pop back and buy them", which would have been rubbing salt in the wound a bit considering they'd been out of stock for hours by that point.
Guess their release schedule is messed up, but still seems weird to release two limited editions from similar ranges on the same day.
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Post by: BrookM
These were probably supposed to be spaced out, but due to how things have been going, it'll be pre-orders every two weeks for the coming time. If they're sticking to what's been shown, then next Sunday they'll announce the next batch of made to order Horus Heresy hardbacks and a pile of other novels, along with the limited edition of Gate of Bones.
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Post by: Kdash
Bit down that Silent Hunters has been pushed back from Jan to March 2021.
Glad Fury of Magnus is finally out though!
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Post by: Dryaktylus
Went to WarCom today and looking at the preview of the BL article I thought it was an obituary...
I mean, yes, it's about a Warhammer Horror novel, but...
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Post by: BrookM
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/saturnine-ebook-2020.html
Saturnine is the current weekly ebook on offer. Best book in the Siege of Terra series so far IMHO, nicely gives us a lot of good gak that we've been looking forward to for some time now.
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Post by: Danny76
You know what’s weird, they don’t say in the blurb in the page which books they are in the series? For people who might want to grab it without having prior research, this doesn’t say what one it is
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Post by: Danny76
Not too bad a humble bundle for BL.
Three tiers. AoS first I have two or three.
40K second. Again I have a couple.
Highest tier Horus Heresy. I can skip it as I have them all!
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/03/get-18-warhammer-ebooks-for-one-low-price-in-the-latest-humble-bundle
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Post by: BrookM
It's a nice bunch but yeah, top tier is pretty much a pass for me, as I've already gotten those through other bundles over the years.
Will probably skip this one, as aside from Requiem Infernal I've pretty much read every one of those already.
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Post by: totalfailure
Definitely not much incentive to support at the highest tier on this bundle, with all of the Heresy books located there. Which have been offered in the LOWER tiers of the bundles previously. It’s still a good deal if you don’t have them, but if you’re a previous bundle supporter, you probably already have all of the those Heresy books. Maybe several times over now, if you participated in more than one bundle...
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Post by: BrookM
I think Horus Rising has been in just about any Heresy / 40K themed bundle to date.
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Post by: Danny76
Looking closer I have some in audio too (was looking at my ebook list).
Definitely the first tier. I need two.
But then only two on the next it seems. And £7 is a big jump for two more after two for £1
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Post by: Danny76
Another Audible Sale.
£3 titles. Quite a few in there.
That’s my list for my records so it doesn’t have everything on it. Was also maybe Hollow Mountain and Attack of Necron or something.
I think three days left.
Valdor.
Our martyred lady.
First and only.
Faith and fire.
Hammer and anvil.
Brothers of the snake.
Honourbound.
Imperator: wrath of omnissiah (Book2)
Saga of the beast.
Ahriman exile (Book1)
HH audio collection 2.
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And also, any thoughts on these reads.
Any worth grabbing?
(First and Only is in there as I’d quite like it in audio form)
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Post by: porkuslime
Went to my local GW to get my Black Library Celebration goodies, and in spite of the rep telling the store he was getting a swag box to give out.. it did not show up in time, or if it will at all.
Aaargh
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Post by: Kanluwen
 porkuslime wrote:Went to my local GW to get my Black Library Celebration goodies, and in spite of the rep telling the store he was getting a swag box to give out.. it did not show up in time, or if it will at all. Aaargh
Memphis was part of the area hit by severe weather this past few weeks. It delayed stuff, especially since GW's using UPS now.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Finished Penitent. It was a good read, although I prefer the Pariah more. I will not write a review or even a short summary but for those that want to know the identity of the King in Yellow:
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Post by: JWBS
I've lately been listening to The Reverie, about 5 chapters in and so far it's pretty good. I must say I have found this to be the case with almost all the BL horror stuff. Normally with BL I find that it's 80% garbage that you must wade through to find the good titles but with their horror line it seems to be the reverse of this, it's like 80% good with only the occasional dud, and I'm not even a fan of the horror genre. Their horror writers just seem to be better than their sci-fi and fantasy writers, for the most part.
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Post by: reds8n
few new books added to the coming soon section :
https://www.warhammer-community.com/blacklibrarycomingsoon/
the HH ones seem the most attention grabbing -- be intrigued to see if the Alpharius book really is quite as...... wild...... as the talk from the special edition seemed to make it out to be.
NEXT POD books listed too.
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Post by: Danny76
Very interested to give Luther and Alpharius a read.
They’ll go to the top of my audible queue.
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Post by: Arbitrator
JWBS wrote:I've lately been listening to The Reverie, about 5 chapters in and so far it's pretty good. I must say I have found this to be the case with almost all the BL horror stuff. Normally with BL I find that it's 80% garbage that you must wade through to find the good titles but with their horror line it seems to be the reverse of this, it's like 80% good with only the occasional dud, and I'm not even a fan of the horror genre. Their horror writers just seem to be better than their sci-fi and fantasy writers, for the most part.
I recommend grabbing Requiem Infernal (same author) if you enjoyed The Reverie. Despite not having the branding it's a stronger horror novel than most of the Horror line.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Arbitrator wrote:JWBS wrote:I've lately been listening to The Reverie, about 5 chapters in and so far it's pretty good. I must say I have found this to be the case with almost all the BL horror stuff. Normally with BL I find that it's 80% garbage that you must wade through to find the good titles but with their horror line it seems to be the reverse of this, it's like 80% good with only the occasional dud, and I'm not even a fan of the horror genre. Their horror writers just seem to be better than their sci-fi and fantasy writers, for the most part.
I recommend grabbing Requiem Infernal (same author) if you enjoyed The Reverie. Despite not having the branding it's a stronger horror novel than most of the Horror line.
Fire Caste and Cult of the Spiral Dawn by Fehervari are excellent too. Not quite as horror, but still very weird and occasionally horrifying.
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Thanks for the recommendations I'll check them out.
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Post by: Arbitrator
Fire Caste's definitely my favourite of the four, but Requiem Infernal is closest to The Reverie in tone.
Cult of the Spiral Dawn is the weakest in my opinion, still great by BL standards, but it feels like it was written for a deadline compared to the others.
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Post by: Danny76
The sixth and final books in the Warhammer Adventures series are coming to an end.
I’ve not read any of them yet. Maybe at some point, or when the boys are older etc.
I wonder if they’ll do more with the line?
Different authors or the same doing different stories.
Seen as they’ve set up the WA young adult fiction..
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Post by: Overread
Danny76 wrote:The sixth and final books in the Warhammer Adventures series are coming to an end.
I’ve not read any of them yet. Maybe at some point, or when the boys are older etc.
I wonder if they’ll do more with the line?
Different authors or the same doing different stories.
Seen as they’ve set up the WA young adult fiction..
I hope they do more. It's a great idea for getting younger generations into the hobby (esp as physical hobbies aren't as big as they were 20 years ago and digital are by far and away more powerful right now). Plus I think its a great way for parents to share their hobby with their kids at level made for the kids. I also hope that those who were seriously hostile ot the idea have cleared off - I know a few authors were really put out that they'd written some stories and suddenly were being torn into by random internet people because it was kids stuff for kids
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Post by: Lord Damocles
The 40K Warhammer Adventures books are not good.
The plots are poor. The characters are dumb. The universe is damaged by them. The moral lessons of the stories are at best confused, and at worst downright bad. There are multiple errors between text and artwork.
But because they're 'for kids' we shouldn't expect quality, apparently.
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Post by: schoon
On the other hand, my 8YO son enjoys them and they've introduced him to the 40k universe...
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Post by: Malika2
Most Warhammer books aren't that good, but yeah...they're meant as marketing to sell plastic toys, so don't expect high end literature. ;-)
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Post by: Danny76
Most perhaps if you’d said that long ago.
But I’d say it’s a lot nearer 50/50 now with all the award winning books and authors they have. They’ve come a long way.
I guess it also depends what you call good.
I’d say a book is good if I don’t consider it what as a waste of time, and there aren’t loads these days that fall into the category.
Granted that doesn’t mean they’re great or amazing, but good is still in the ‘enjoyable read’ category
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Post by: Lord Damocles
 schoon wrote:
On the other hand, my 8YO son enjoys them and they've introduced him to the 40k universe...
As accomplished a critic as I'm sure your son is, there's no reason that he shouldn't have also liked them if the plots made more sense, the characters acted more intelligently, the setting's background was more closely adhered to, and there were fewer errors with the illustrations.
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Post by: insaniak
Given that his son is in the target demographic for the book, and you're (presumably) not, it feels like his opinion kind of holds more weight than yours, here.
Not everything has to be award-winning literature. A lot of tween and YA books are just written to be entertaining to their audience. And yes, that sometimes means that they're not fantastic reading for adults, but they're not intended for adults, which means complaining about that fact is a little bit like complaining that the jar of Heinz Apple Puree is lacking seasoning.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
 insaniak wrote:
Given that his son is in the target demographic for the book, and you're (presumably) not, it feels like his opinion kind of holds more weight than yours, here.
That's an absurd position to take.
Whether or not any particular piece of media is 'for' any particular person has absolutely no bearing on whether there are objective flaws/problems with it.
If I'd said 'I don't like them', then you might have a point, but I didn't say that.
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Post by: JWBS
 Lord Damocles wrote: insaniak wrote:
Given that his son is in the target demographic for the book, and you're (presumably) not, it feels like his opinion kind of holds more weight than yours, here.
That's an absurd position to take.
Whether or not any particular piece of media is 'for' any particular person has absolutely no bearing on whether there are objective flaws/problems with it.
If I'd said 'I don't like them', then you might have a point, but I didn't say that.
That's an absurd position to take! Proceeds to iterate a position that nobody took.
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Post by: insaniak
Lord Damocles wrote:
That's an absurd position to take.
Whether or not any particular piece of media is 'for' any particular person has absolutely no bearing on whether there are objective flaws/problems with it.
If I'd said 'I don't like them', then you might have a point, but I didn't say that.
Two things - One, none of the 'issues' you listed are 'objective flaws'.
And two, something having flaws doesn't automatically mean it isn't 'good', which is the claim I was actually disputing. Whether or not something is 'good' ultimately comes down to whether or not it is fit for purpose, regardless of whether or not it is flawed. If an 8 year old enjoys a story written as entertainment for 8 year olds then the product is fit for purpose, regardless of whether or not someone outside the target demographic likes it or sees flaws in it.
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Post by: Yodhrin
insaniak wrote:
Given that his son is in the target demographic for the book, and you're (presumably) not, it feels like his opinion kind of holds more weight than yours, here.
Not everything has to be award-winning literature. A lot of tween and YA books are just written to be entertaining to their audience. And yes, that sometimes means that they're not fantastic reading for adults, but they're not intended for adults, which means complaining about that fact is a little bit like complaining that the jar of Heinz Apple Puree is lacking seasoning.
As yourself and all the others snarking endlessly about people having reservations about the books well knows, the issue was people who had come into 40K as children reading actual 40K fiction(and, typically, fiction not "intended for children" in general) were concerned that if you bring kids in with a diluted version of the IP which only exists to mollify parents - who, as always, are reluctant to allow their own children to have the same experiences they had themselves, despite those experiences in sum having apparently convinced them they're mature and capable enough to have and raise children so presumably they weren't done any harm by them - then you get a generation of new fans who'd be fans of a diluted version of 40K, and since GW follows the money...
Now, in the end, the books weren't quite as neutered as the premise initially suggested they would be despite some of the writing and understanding of 40K being pretty dire, and GW seem pretty evident on diluting 40K anyway, but this pretense that there was no rational, reasonable basis for dislike of the idea of "Warhammer for Kiddiewinks" is just dishonest rubbish.
Not to mention, how often do you see the people who raised those concerns still complaining unprompted about Adventures books in any serious way? Yet it seems some people are still obsessed by the fact that some people, mostly several years ago, dared to hold an opinion they disagree with. Who're the obsessed ones again?
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Post by: insaniak
Yodhrin wrote:
As yourself and all the others snarking endlessly about people having reservations about the books well knows, the issue was people who had come into 40K as children reading actual 40K fiction(and, typically, fiction not "intended for children" in general) were concerned that if you bring kids in with a diluted version of the IP which only exists to mollify parents - who, as always, are reluctant to allow their own children to have the same experiences they had themselves, despite those experiences in sum having apparently convinced them they're mature and capable enough to have and raise children so presumably they weren't done any harm by them - then you get a generation of new fans who'd be fans of a diluted version of 40K, and since GW follows the money...
That may well be an issue. It's not, however, the issue I was responding to, so I'm a little confused as to why you have quoted me in your post.
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Post by: Eldarain
Does anyone recall how long they said Vol2 of Bloodquest was likely to take?
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Post by: Overread
Eldarain wrote:Does anyone recall how long they said Vol2 of Bloodquest was likely to take?
Their Print on Demands normally take a few months to come. Something like 90 days or so I think is the typical quote from other similar books.
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