sockwithaticket wrote:
If my memory banks aren't playing their usual tricks, didn't they say late 2019 for the next HH black book with catch up releases for models in the published ones in the meantime.The latter certainly hasn't been much in evidence yet, though you'd have thought the generic legion consuls previewed recently can;t be too far off.

JWBS wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Yep, hence using the words paint job...

Your wit would be impressive had the answer before yours not been typed hours before.

Could you entertain the notion that, as the author of one of the comments seemingly in question, I was confirming IAmAGeek's assertion? I wasn't trying to be particularly witty, just a spot of light snark to start the day. Having seen your interaction with Mysterio, feel free to also ignore me henceforth.

They did say late 2018 for Malevolence, but it will almost certainly be delayed. It might come out at the February Heresy weekender.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Alan Bligh must have meant even more to FW than we knew - and we knew he meant a lot...

I feel like Alan Bligh was the raging bonfire that kept the Horus Heresy forges working, and everyone else there is just a Zippo lighter.

yeah I'm definatly given the impression that Bligh was the driving force in FW..

For quite a long time, Horus Heresy was the [/I]only[/I] focus of Forge World's activity (hence the endless complaints that "they've released more doors"). Now, they've got Blood Bowl, Necromunda and Adeptus Titanicus to do too, as well as Middle Earth. That would slow down HH releases even if Alan Bligh hadn't died. Forge World have been expanding their staff levels, but unless they're now five times the size they were a couple of years ago, they're simply not going to be producing HH material at the rate they were.

 Haighus wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
I do hope that they get back to more of what they were doing, soon.

Unreleasing models?

Hasn't the reorganisation really been going on since the sad passing of Alan Bligh? I should think he means back to that point, not what we had a couple of months ago.

Apparently GW are expanding into a building over the road from their HQ and this is taking longer than planned (warehouse space in HQ is being given to manufacturing, and the new building will be warehouse).

Proteus Pattern Land Speeder preview is up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/01/1st-oct-forge-world-preview-the-proteus-pattern-land-speeder-returns-againfw-homepage-post-1/

While the painting looks pretty decent, the model itself it a bit of a joke. That Heavy Bolter looks like it's close to shooting the pilot in the back of the head. And are those Rocket that are just lazily attached to the fins?

I like it. Has a real stripped down, lowest-weight-possible look to it.

 Valkyrie wrote:
While the painting looks pretty decent, the model itself it a bit of a joke. That Heavy Bolter looks like it's close to shooting the pilot in the back of the head. And are those Rocket that are just lazily attached to the fins?

Hunter-killer missiles.

Finally something other than no-content/low value posts, with Rule 1 and Rule 2 being treated as something other than vague suggestions - thank you for posting this here Redemption!

Valkyrie - you're right in that the old design did suffer from that look/problem too, but I still do like the retro feel to it.

Been looking forward to this. Managed to snag the limited edition one earlier this year but been looking forward to the MkIV and weapon options.

The limited one was MKVI, right?

Hopefully it becomes available again, even if only now and then, at shows, etc.

 Mysterio wrote:
The limited one was MKVI, right?

Hopefully it becomes available again, even if only now and then, at shows, etc.

Aye, it's the one with Mk VI armour and multimelta only. Is available at Warhammer World as well as events.

It's pretty damn ugly, and I can't help but like it. It looks a fair bit bigger than the plastic kit, too. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one somewhere down the line.

Do you think it only appeals to people who have been playing for 20+ years, or does it have a more universal attraction?

 Mysterio wrote:
Do you think it only appeals to people who have been playing for 20+ years, or does it have a more universal attraction?

By default there'll be some more recent players/collectors who are into it, the player base is big enough, but I have a hard time seeing it appeal to many who aren't affected by the nostalgia fsctor.

 Barzam wrote:
It's pretty damn ugly, and I can't help but like it. It looks a fair bit bigger than the plastic kit, too. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one somewhere down the line.

Speeder has always been kind of weird. I hated that one with the armoured front, much preferred to old style (like this), but looking back, none of them seem particularly attractive.

I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.

 Crimson wrote:
I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.

yeah, probably the best balance in this one (for clarity, this is the one I particularly disliked http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Land_Speeder_Tornado.jpg , it's not offensively terrible, but like I say, none of the various iterations have been "I gotta paint this" for me personally)

 Mysterio wrote:
Do you think it only appeals to people who have been playing for 20+ years, or does it have a more universal attraction?

I'm a player of 11 years (this week) who likes it. The modern plastic speeder is the only one I've ever known available.

 Redemption wrote:
Proteus Pattern Land Speeder preview is up:

Interesting, red helmets on the crew. Confirmation that the different coloured helms for the BA are a post Heresy thing?

The pilot sports a golden gauntlet though, not sure if that signifies anything?

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Proteus Pattern Land Speeder preview is up:

Interesting, red helmets on the crew. Confirmation that the different coloured helms for the BA are a post Heresy thing?

I've never seen evidence to the contrary.

 BrookM wrote:
The pilot sports a golden gauntlet though, not sure if that signifies anything?

Maybe which hand is his pimp hand

Some designs should stay in nostagalic RT memories and not be faithfully remade. That speeder and the named (Chuck, Fred, whatever) dreadnoughts would be good examples of them IMO.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Do you think it only appeals to people who have been playing for 20+ years, or does it have a more universal attraction?

By default there'll be some more recent players/collectors who are into it, the player base is big enough, but I have a hard time seeing it appeal to many who aren't affected by the nostalgia fsctor.

It has an ugly cool look to it. Id probably grab one if I wasn't still abiding on my no purchase from fw website plan.

It needs a variation crewed by imperial guard, I mean inquisitional henchmen.

It's a nice model, though I agree - the 2nd edition model for the Land Speeder was by far my favourite (and you can kinda/sorta get that with a Javelin I s'pose). The current plastic one is absolute crap.

Not a huge fan of the additional hunter killer missile stuff though, that's a waste.

 Crimson wrote:
I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.

With the added bonus that it could go toe to toe with a dread sock in extremis.

Oh yay... didn't we see this in like February or something? Im just over-joyed.

 warboss wrote:
Some designs should stay in nostagalic RT memories and not be faithfully remade. That speeder and the named (Chuck, Fred, whatever) dreadnoughts would be good examples of them IMO.

Those dreadnoughts would be the Contemptor (Chuck) and the Deredo (Eddy), which have been remade with a certain amount of success IMO, in the fluff the odd names were simply nicknames given to those classes of dreadnoughts.

 warboss wrote:
Some designs should stay in nostagalic RT memories and not be faithfully remade. That speeder and the named (Chuck, Fred, whatever) dreadnoughts would be good examples of them IMO.

Last one was called the Furibundus or Fury for short. Contemptor is the "tactical" type, Deredeo is the fire support. Perhaps the Furibundus will be some sort of fast attack mental close combat dreadnought. With Blood Angels coming up, it'd be a good time to push out a new Fast Attack assault dreadnought.

That new landspeeder variant looks very much like a kitbash/home brew vehicle to me, rather than a genuine forge world product. I don't think the paintjob is helping to convince me otherwise. My 12 year old self (and innner Ork mek) would be proud of gluing that many oversized guns and missiles to a kit to the point that it becomes genuinely unstable on it's flight stand Especially given the risk of fatal injury to the crew from normal use of the guns!

The hunter killer tac'd on the side looks terrible, and the havoc missile launcher looks far better as the nose gun.

I'll get a squadron of these. Might try to pick up one of the mark VI ones from Warhammer world as part of it. Hopefully these come with all the weapon options so you can upgun the ltd ed one.

Still hoping they do a remake of the 2nd generation ones, that style is by far the best.

Furibundus got re-used as the name of a star in the fluff.

20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.

I can see what they were doing with that Land Speeder, and they've emulated the old design fairly well.

Not to say that the original wasn't dumb. If you're into dumb though then there's your nostalgia accounted for, like the rest of that Forgeworld line.

The overall arrangement of the Hellcat Cruisers from the Jak & Daxter series seem a bit more practical to me. Though still suffer from the "I just got shot in the face because I'm exposed to elements" look. At least the air intakes aren't right behind the crew either (and I'm going to stop myself from point out every stupid detail with Games Workshop models, as finding something that isn't ridiculous is more of a challenge...).

 Davespil wrote:
20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.

I rather like the 3rd edition speeder especially the scout transport variant. I feel that it matched the modern (for that time with the "new" rhino and land raider) marine aesthetic. I'm fond to a lesser extent of the 2nd edition one out of nostalgia (it's still my only land speeder in my 2nd/3rd edition 7,000pt old points scale marine army) but not because of the actual design as I find it a bit cartoony/chibi. The original RT one that this FW variant emulates I find to be both impractical (even by 40k standards) and ugly. YMMV.

Yeah it's definitely neat as a nostalgia piece for sure. Assuming rules are top notch, I would even be tempted to pick them up for my Deathwatch.

All the Speeder designs have been silly, except the fully armored one from FW, Tornado I think?

I always thought they should have a dismount rule allowing the crew to get off and pursue objectives or bail out after a crash, at least then the open top might make sense.


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Ah here we are, the Tempest.

 Davespil wrote:
20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder?

Weaponised religion says otherwise!

Yeah, the darkshroud/vengeance is good looking, but is ruined by that ludicrous looking nose pulpit.

Tempest is hard to not to like.

As a Dark Angels player, I like the idea of a "heavy" landspeeder, and I like the rules for the ones we have. The nose gunner really ruins the concept though. I have plans to convert a Land Speeder Storm into one, using the transport space to have a generator of some kind with weapon pods hanging out the sides like a giant Landspeeder Typhoon.

 Snrub wrote:
Yeah, the darkshroud/vengeance is good looking, but is ruined by that ludicrous looking nose pulpit.

Yeah, it's the weirdly off-centre front gun that makes zero sense. If it were a single driver (with nose gun) and the double-plasma up the back, it'd be great.

 Davespil wrote:
20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.

Um that's basically nostalgy piece from 20 year old model. If you would change it's look it would miss the point which is do the same design but with modern technology. You make it closed topped etc and it changes look completely different...

If you want to blame that design blame the original designer. This one is simply faithful reproduction of the old model to sell on nostalgy value.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

cuda1179 wrote:As a Dark Angels player, I like the idea of a "heavy" landspeeder, and I like the rules for the ones we have.

Agreed, a heavy land speeder is exactly the sort of thing the Ravenwing would have. You have the up-gunned tornadoes and typhoons for dedicated anti-infantry/light vehicle roles, then what is almost the weapon-equal equivalent of a floating leman russ executioner for busting open fortifications and heavy armour. It makes a whole lot of sense lore wise. I don't know how well the function on the tabletop, but I will probably get at least one for some plasmary fun.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah, it's the weirdly off-centre front gun that makes zero sense. If it were a single driver (with nose gun) and the double-plasma up the back, it'd be great.

I've seen one converted with the front of a regular land speeder in place of the nose pulpit front, with the heavy bolter mounted to the side. It looks much better. Although i'd be tempted just to mount the heavy bolter/assault cannon under the chin like the tornadoes have.

It's a floating jeep (or a Jackal / Coyote for a more modern equivalent). Open-topped for lightness and because the crew's power armour is just as good as anything the vehicle could mount, I suppose. The heavy weapon fires over the crew's head (their heads don't protrude over the top of the seat) and I would think that the turret mount is designed so it can't accidentally hit the vehicle itself (even if Henry Jones Sr is in control of it!).


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But fundamentally, it looks like it does because it was designed in 1989, and presumably there were constraints over how large a model it could be (the original is legendarily fiddly to build because none of the bits fit together very well because of distortions in the casting process).

I agree that the “modern” speeders are significantly better looking than the older versions. I had a playing gap of around 12-13 years, and I can honestly say that compared to the new models, the old ones don’t appeal to me in the slightest – not even from a nostalgia pov.

One Speeder I do like though, that hasn’t been mentioned, is the FW Javelin. To me, it’s a lot sleeker than the current GW ones, and, imo, a fast moving hover vehicle should be sleek (but I guess that kinda goes against the whole Marine vehicle aesthetic). The only problem sometimes though, is the Javelin is a fair bit bigger than a normal speeder (I think) so you can’t always just do a “straight swap”.

Yeah it's not for all.

Something to keep in mind though is that due to how resin works the upfront cost is smaller than say plastic so they can do odd models like these even if they don't expect to sell a tons of them and still make profit. One benefit when you aren't dealing with plastic(same reason as why in '90's you could have random releases not related to any codex around same time and for various races. Marine chaplain one month, ork weirdboy next, new pose commisar for IG next...These days that many variants of same models would be impossible due to plastic).

So this is basically small cost, small risk model to play on nostalgy(which btw lots of HH models are already...)

Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes

Well, Malevolence for HH was supposed to be late this year. But the black books basically never come out on time, so it won't be a surprise if it's delayed until the HH weekender next year.

I think the Talons of the Emperor index was the other imminent book? Seems like mum's the word on that one, although I guess the nature of it means it'd just be a book release with no accompanying miniatures. So that's something that could just be announced on some random Friday without many hints or previews.

Fires of Cyraxus is dead, right? Are there any other books that were rumored to be on the way?

 gorgon wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes

Well, Malevolence for HH was supposed to be late this year. But the black books basically never come out on time, so it won't be a surprise if it's delayed until the HH weekender next year.

I think the Talons of the Emperor index was the other imminent book? Seems like mum's the word on that one, although I guess the nature of it means it'd just be a book release with no accompanying miniatures. So that's something that could just be announced on some random Friday without many hints or previews.

Fires of Cyraxus is dead, right? Are there any other books that were rumored to be on the way?

I didn't think it was officially dead? Just delayed till after the couple of books you mentioned.

It’s delayed indefinitely. It was set pre-Dark Imperium and it sounded like they wanted to update it to current events (I have no idea why). Then there’s the fact the all the rules and whatnot they had done was for 7th. And then the original author/project lead got promoted and doesn’t seem to have time/interest in getting it finished.

I think Admech players would have better luck begging for limited datasheets like some of the 30k Custodes stuff has, but it’s no looking great either way. I feel for them.

FW finally paints a model well and it's possibly the fugliest vehicle kit they have ever tossed out.

BTW odd that the gunner has a gold hand on the joystick. Looks like he has the grim-dark version of a Nintendo power glove on

I always liked the original speeder. If you are already armoured like a tank, why bother putting further weight on the machine by adding further armour to the cockpit. Given the capabilities of power armour you don't even really need seats. Just a docking clamp to attach to the armour somewhere and the suit can just lock into a suitably shaped seatingposition

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/12/evil-heroes-from-the-pelennor-fields/

Are these two new?

New in the sense that are now open to general purchase, but they have been shown months ago.

Preview of the Sumpkroc for Necromunda:



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/15/forge-world-preview-the-sumpkroc/

Oh... my. That paint job...

Yikes thats a poor paint job!

So.. more than 6 months to paint it.. and still coming soon...

Please, FW hires more people.

That paint job is not selling it. Wanna see bare resin to judge it properly.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
That paint job is not selling it. Wanna see bare resin to judge it properly.

Better...that paint job elicited a genuine "What the feth?" from me when I scrolled down.

 Crimson wrote:
I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.

Me too, I had that one when I was a kid (vanilla SM version).

I think that is what they are trying to modernize. But if it's a throwback to that it isn't a very faithful one, or really an inspired one. So i'm really not sure what they are going for here. Also the heavy bolter looks really derpy (too big, not enough modern HB detail) as does the plasma cannon (also too big) though not as bad.

Overall not a good interpretation.

 ceorron wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.

Me to, I had that one when I was a kid (vanilla SM version).

I think that is what they are trying to modernize. But if it's a throwback to that it isn't a very faithful one, or really an inspired one. So i'm really not sure what they are going for here. Also the heavy bolter looks really derpy (too big, not enough modern HB detail) as does the plasma cannon (also too big) though not as bad.

Overall not a good interpretation.

Nah, it's a modernization of the 1st edition landspeeder. It's more visible with the limited speeder, but this is what they're copying:

One day we'll get a new book and the remaining Primarchs. Until then, land speeders that are completely unnecessary , blood bowl and random lizard creatures!

Ah well that makes more sense, still not a good model though.

I'll take Bloodbowl, Necromunda, random lizard creatures and Lord of the Rings over more space marines of various colours.

 Kirasu wrote:
One day we'll get a new book and the remaining Primarchs. Until then, land speeders that are completely unnecessary , blood bowl and random lizard creatures!

Technically, according to published background information, the plastic Landspeeder didn't exist until after the Horus Heresy, so this is the only canonical model to use in HH games (excepting the old 1st and 2nd edition models, most likely). In that sense, it fills a hole in the army lists.

The lizard creature is a pet for Necromunda, so it is another Specialist Games release.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'll take Bloodbowl, Necromunda, random lizard creatures and Lord of the Rings over more space marines of various colours.

I imagine you wouldn't be saying that if you were actually invested in their half a decade effort to finish the Horus Heresy... then stopping abruptly without finishing. After all, the HH models supplied FW with massive amounts of cash (much like all space marines do) in order to pronounce random models.

Sumpkroc!!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/15/forge-world-preview-the-sumpkroc/



Which I hope means that the feline pets will also be released sometime very soon as they were shown around the same time as each other in the previews months ago

 ImAGeek wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
That paint job is not selling it. Wanna see bare resin to judge it properly.

Ta, see that looks really good.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'll take Bloodbowl, Necromunda, random lizard creatures and Lord of the Rings over more space marines of various colours.

Well thats good news because it looks like Forgeworld are also doing those.



I'm not into any of that or the SM land speeder as it is.

Did FW fire all the decent painters? The teeth alone are cringeworthy.

I wonder why they use a pure white background for painted minis. Sky blue fade has been the general default for decades.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Did FW fire all the decent painters? The teeth alone are cringeworthy.

C'mon man, don't be that guy. Nothing wrong with it IMO.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Did FW fire all the decent painters? The teeth alone are cringeworthy.

C'mon man, don't be that guy. Nothing wrong with it IMO.

It's horrid. The only excuse I can come up with is that it wasn't finished when they photographed it and the artist intended to add a sepia wash in places or something.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Did FW fire all the decent painters? The teeth alone are cringeworthy.

C'mon man, don't be that guy. Nothing wrong with it IMO.

I would point you to the Necromunda news thread where the estimable Major Tom did a very comprehensive, yet succinct and accurate breakdown of everything that is wrong with it.

i ned 3 in my life.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Did FW fire all the decent painters? The teeth alone are cringeworthy.

C'mon man, don't be that guy. Nothing wrong with it IMO.

I would point you to the Necromunda news thread where the estimable Major Tom did a very comprehensive, yet succinct and accurate breakdown of everything that is wrong with it.

I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.

Still the model is not top notch in my opinion though.

 Theophony wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Did FW fire all the decent painters? The teeth alone are cringeworthy.

C'mon man, don't be that guy. Nothing wrong with it IMO.

I would point you to the Necromunda news thread where the estimable Major Tom did a very comprehensive, yet succinct and accurate breakdown of everything that is wrong with it.

I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.

Still the model is not top notch in my opinion though.

Look, I'm all for not ever letting Tom forget that, but it has absolutely no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. Plus this isn't the first time people have seen a new FW sculpt, gone "urgh" and then seen naked resin and subsequently decided no that's ok after all. Which is the complete opposite of what studio paint jobs are supposed to achieve. Studio painting should make poor sculpts look decent and have people clamouring to buy the good ones.

I have no great ego when it comes to my painting, I'm better than some and worse than many, but I'm convinced I could have done better on the sumpcroc, and that's about as strong a criticism as I can offer.

 Theophony wrote:

I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.
.

As were quite a few of us. I'm puzzled as to what bearing that has on his qualifications to critique paintwork, though...


The model is fantastic. The paint job... Not so much.

The reason I asked Tom is because he is such a good painter... and he was denigrating my fav technical paint.

I think it's a sneaky sneaky ploy! they show us a mini that is painted questionably to fuel an argument hopefully enticing people like myself to buy it as an experiment to see how I can make it look! ..... Well played

 insaniak wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.
.

As were quite a few of us. I'm puzzled as to what bearing that has on his qualifications to critique paintwork, though...


The model is fantastic. The paint job... Not so much.

I didn’t go to the other thread to read Major Toms post, but I was replying to the previous post where sockwithaticket basically said it sucks because Major Tom said so. My response was Major Tom is not always right. While it’s not a great painted figure, it’s still better than my standard. If GW/Forgeworld are going to put that quality out there, then that’s their prerogative. Maybe they don’t want it to sell well so they don’t have to spend lots of labor making them (stupid idea), or maybe it got moved up in the cue for release and they needed a quick turn around on the paint job and they couldn’t find a can of spray paint. They are doing fantastic as a company, but every time they do anything the critics pop up and say how they could do so much better.

 Theophony wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.
.

As were quite a few of us. I'm puzzled as to what bearing that has on his qualifications to critique paintwork, though...


The model is fantastic. The paint job... Not so much.

I didn’t go to the other thread to read Major Toms post, but I was replying to the previous post where sockwithaticket basically said it sucks because Major Tom said so. My response was Major Tom is not always right. While it’s not a great painted figure, it’s still better than my standard. If GW/Forgeworld are going to put that quality out there, then that’s their prerogative. Maybe they don’t want it to sell well so they don’t have to spend lots of labor making them (stupid idea), or maybe it got moved up in the cue for release and they needed a quick turn around on the paint job and they couldn’t find a can of spray paint. They are doing fantastic as a company, but every time they do anything the critics pop up and say how they could do so much better.

While it being MT lends the critique an increased measure of credibility, I was primarily pointing you to it because, as stated, it was a comprehensive and yet succinct assessment of issues with the paint job (imo, obviously; in fact I'd be harsher than he was). Since you didn't seem to accept someone having an issue with it, I thought I'd point you towards a good representation of why someone wouldn't think it was fine.

If the critique had been written by another poster, but similar in quality I still would've recommended it.

Any guesses how big this croc is? Do the plastic Necro bases come in 40mm yet, or is that a 32mm it's on?

- Salvage

Vorgaroth the Scarred & Skalok the Skull Host of Khorne - €465,-

It's a beauty and I really hope the designer is now working on another dragon (only because that dragon has too many khorne skulls and stuff to fit into an Order army)

I much preferred the original rider to the one it ended up with.

Now thats more like it !

Now that's an impressive dragon. Really!!!

Forgeworld is directed towards veteran hobby player, so I would think they wouldn't necessarily have the best paint jobs(more tabletop std than golden demon) published. It's probably to give those vets a good starting point to go "nuts" with the model.

I purposely bought the Salamanders relic contemptor just so I can paint it better than their studio pics.

The paint job on that sump croc is just horrendous.

Khornate dragon looks badass .

So that's how female dragons look like.

The dragon looks good, the rider...

The rider doesn't look baddass to me looks more like someone you see and think, " For the 'special needs' he has had to over come, I am super impressed with how far he has progressed, awesome work keep it up mate ".

For $870 AU I would never buy this (or any model tbh), so I am not in the market bracket they are aiming for anyway. But the dragon looks good, apart from that left arm and the thing that goes up to the rider, looks like went overboard on blobs of greenstuff and forgot to sculpt it and thought "f*** it throw some skulls in there".

EDIT:

I could make a lot worse jokes like the 70's movie deliverance orientated etc, but I choose to restrain myself.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I much preferred the original rider to the one it ended up with.

What/who was the original rider?

 zahnib wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I much preferred the original rider to the one it ended up with.

What/who was the original rider?

There is an error on the fw page description. It implies skalok is the rider. But the PDF rules sheet it's clear skalok is the dragon.

Regards

Sanjay

The rider is ugly, what were they thinking?!

The first one from the preview war far better.

Anyway, another Khorne release that I do not find that
interesting, but it is just my opinion.

I actually like the new rider more. While they both look like they've been sitting on that dragon for some time, new one looks more scarred, mutated and twisted and grimdark.

Wonder why they changed it?

To make it fit more with the aesthetic of the current Khorne characters.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/22/forge-world-preview-the-legio-mortis-transfer-sheet/

Legio Mortis transfer sheet for Adeptus Titanicus.
We'll see these available for purchase soon and the rest of the common Legios... never?

Just having some flashbacks to the Vyronii transfers.

Did they have to stop selling the full size legio transfers so they could shrink them down?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To make it fit more with the aesthetic of the current Khorne characters.

Maybe, still looks like the Deathbringer though, the one with the bunny ears.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To make it fit more with the aesthetic of the current Khorne characters.

But the old one was very similar with a ton of new AoS-only Khorne Characters.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Did they have to stop selling the full size legio transfers so they could shrink them down?

Well market is probably bigger in scale most people can afford and where one sees action

Hell, for the price they could have easily provided 3-4 rider options.

It's weird how they get so far into a model enough to actually show us the progress, like with that original rider and everyone (generally) likes the aesthetic or sculpt and then 'BOOM From outta nowhere!' a different less appealing model. They did the same thing a while back with Ereubus from the Word Bearers, the preview bare head was simply brilliant and then the release made him look like Freddy Krueger's grandfather got smashed in the face with a hot frypan.

Honestly can't stand the rider or the dragon, how hard would be to have the armour separate on the tail they've done it on the claws.

I'd skip the whole $600 thing and look at the wonderful and cheap reaper line of dragons, lol.

Necron construct today with a variety of options:

And its rules: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads//Forgeworld_Necron_Seraptek_Datasheet.pdf

Just going over the rules now.

It's pretty nippy, for a Necron!

Okay so guns are pretty good. 5++ inv nice. It has improved movement over infantry and swarms compared to knights and YES for the imaginary base thing. Clears up how it works compared to vault where I got into weird arqument how it works

Albeit on flip side can't hit infantry on ruin 2nd floor millimeters away from the claw.

I like it. Definitely favour the Synaptic Obliterators, if only because my own Necron list doesn't have a great deal of anti-tank oomph in it.

625 points doesn't seem massively unreasonable to me. Not for T8, 28 Wounds, 3+, Living Metal and a 5+ Inv.

Am I missing something or are the Transdimensional Projectors a significant downgrade over the default weapons?

Never mind, you swap the default weapons for the AT guns and projectors. Not either or.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I missing something or are the Transdimensional Projectors a significant downgrade over the default weapons?

You get 2d3 16/-4/6 and 2d6 S6 -3 d3(with mortal wound chance) over 6d3 S8 -3 d6 with MW's. So maybe worse vs big lone models(haven't mathed it yet) but # of shots at least nearly doubles. And S16 matters a lot vs T8(knights) and flat D6 is pretty good as well

edit:Ah you noticed it

edit: Vs knights: default loadout makes 9.33 wounds plus mortals(from average 4 hits). Secondary causes 10,96+mortals from average 4.66 hits. So vs knights the default weapon is actually worse. Albeit less on/off with result due to more shots with the big gun

At least Crons also have the 1CP strat for top profile regardless of wounds, and i didnt notice it essentially has Fly rather than the usal IK rule!

On paper that thing looks like a wrecking machine.
Good shooting, good movement, good hand to hand options, good wounds + inv save and not hyper priced like some other super heavies.

The paint job kinda makes it look like it's made out of MDF.

It's very cool, though. Nice to see something 40k and xenos.

I really like the model. I didn’t realise it was quite so long, I thought it was more compact but I prefer it the way it is. I probably won’t get one for a while if I do at all but I’d like to pick it up one day.

I really like it!
Love that the model is far longer too, makes it feel more balanced in design. It will be ages before I get one though (AoS has kind of dominated me this last half a year and I've committed myself to finishing my Daughters of Khaine army before flitting back to any other "major" army project)

Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

Excellent model and the rules are also good. It's fairly costed!

Necrons have a Strat to keep it operating at max output for only 1CP.

The second weapon option is definitely better as you get powerful main weapons and a set of good support weapons. Also it's fast and damn good in close combat!

Good job FW!

Regarding the Carnodon tank released some weeks ago, I've been playing with the idea of getting the squadron bundle for my IG army.

What's your opinion of the Carnodon tank?

I'm not sure I would equip mine with Volkite weapons, as I suspect Volkites might be removed in later editions of 40k (or made inconvenient or over costed), but I've always felt my army was missing light/medium tanks, and Carnodons fill that role.

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

Please, please tell me this was a joke. Or that you didn't touch any of their books in the last decade or so...

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

Please, please tell me this was a joke. Or that you didn't touch any of their books in the last decade or so...

He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*

 Zingraff wrote:
Regarding the Carnodon tank released some weeks ago, I've been playing with the idea of getting the squadron bundle for my IG army.

What's your opinion of the Carnodon tank?

I'm not sure I would equip mine with Volkite weapons, as I suspect Volkites might be removed in later editions of 40k (or made inconvenient or over costed), but I've always felt my army was missing light/medium tanks, and Carnodons fill that role.

I like the Carnodon. It's best with either full lascannons and the Cadian regiment for efficient long range support or to go max Volkite and a Multi laser for lots of Str6 firepower.

 Ishagu wrote:
Excellent model and the rules are also good. It's fairly costed!

Necrons have a Strat to keep it operating at max output for only 1CP.

The second weapon option is definitely better as you get powerful main weapons and a set of good support weapons. Also it's fast and damn good in close combat!

Good job FW!

Yeah, not sure I understand the pricing. I mean, one weapons option is clearly better than the other, so why are they same price?

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I missing something or are the Transdimensional Projectors a significant downgrade over the default weapons?

You get 2d3 16/-4/6 and 2d6 S6 -3 d3(with mortal wound chance) over 6d3 S8 -3 d6 with MW's. So maybe worse vs big lone models(haven't mathed it yet) but # of shots at least nearly doubles. And S16 matters a lot vs T8(knights) and flat D6 is pretty good as well

Um, maybe I don't get something, but 2d3 = 4, 2d6 = 7, so 11. 6d3 = 12, which last time I checked is not half of 11. I suppose big guns get extra range but potential damage output is much worse, 24 (+14 if you're within 24 inches and roll really lucky) is less than ~42 wounds, both on average rolls, and that is without counting mortals which again favors singularity more...

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

8th ed titan rules are a horrible mess.

 gorgon wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

Please, please tell me this was a joke. Or that you didn't touch any of their books in the last decade or so...

He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*

He really isn't, FW's 40K rules aren't any worse than GW's and at times have been better, their AoD tweaks are definitely better, and the issues with the 8th indexes are hardly their fault given GW sprang 8th on them and they had to rush them out.

I get that some people got touched in the bad place by a cheesemonger using an unbalanced FW unit when they were a kid, but if you're playing GW games generally singling out FW for particular criticism over rules writing is sheer farce. I mean christ people, GW's rules writing was so bad it helped to kill the game that launched their whole company.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

Please, please tell me this was a joke. Or that you didn't touch any of their books in the last decade or so...

He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*

He really isn't, FW's 40K rules aren't any worse than GW's and at times have been better, their AoD tweaks are definitely better, and the issues with the 8th indexes are hardly their fault given GW sprang 8th on them and they had to rush them out.

I get that some people got touched in the bad place by a cheesemonger using an unbalanced FW unit when they were a kid, but if you're playing GW games generally singling out FW for particular criticism over rules writing is sheer farce. I mean christ people, GW's rules writing was so bad it helped to kill the game that launched their whole company.

It killed 40k? news to me (sarcasm, but only partly). And how could GW have "sprung" 8th edition on FW when they're the same company? FW would have known about it as soon as the decision was made to produce 8th.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

Please, please tell me this was a joke. Or that you didn't touch any of their books in the last decade or so...

He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*

He really isn't, FW's 40K rules aren't any worse than GW's and at times have been better, their AoD tweaks are definitely better, and the issues with the 8th indexes are hardly their fault given GW sprang 8th on them and they had to rush them out.

I get that some people got touched in the bad place by a cheesemonger using an unbalanced FW unit when they were a kid, but if you're playing GW games generally singling out FW for particular criticism over rules writing is sheer farce. I mean christ people, GW's rules writing was so bad it helped to kill the game that launched their whole company.

It killed 40k? news to me (sarcasm, but only partly). And how could GW have "sprung" 8th edition on FW when they're the same company? FW would have known about it as soon as the decision was made to produce 8th.

No GW is compartmentalized like crazy to make identifying leakers easier.
FW weren't told about 8th edition, they have made public statements to the effect that FW found about 8th edition when the players did.

Ice_can wrote:

FW weren't told about 8th edition, they have made public statements to the effect that FW found about 8th edition when the players did.

No they didn't!

Ice_can wrote:
No GW is compartmentalized like crazy to make identifying leakers easier.
FW weren't told about 8th edition, they have made public statements to the effect that FW found about 8th edition when the players did.

That's ludicrous.

I’ve been to HQ, on the staff side.

Twaddle.

Spesh as we got the FW Indecies really quickly....

How can't they know about 8th edition when they are literally working in the same building?
How can anybody believe that?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

Please, please tell me this was a joke. Or that you didn't touch any of their books in the last decade or so...

He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*

He really isn't, FW's 40K rules aren't any worse than GW's and at times have been better, their AoD tweaks are definitely better, and the issues with the 8th indexes are hardly their fault given GW sprang 8th on them and they had to rush them out.

I get that some people got touched in the bad place by a cheesemonger using an unbalanced FW unit when they were a kid, but if you're playing GW games generally singling out FW for particular criticism over rules writing is sheer farce. I mean christ people, GW's rules writing was so bad it helped to kill the game that launched their whole company.

It killed 40k? news to me (sarcasm, but only partly). And how could GW have "sprung" 8th edition on FW when they're the same company? FW would have known about it as soon as the decision was made to produce 8th.

Pretty sure Warhammer Fantasy predates 40k.

He was being sarcastic, as is, W40K was what made GW as big as they are now, even if Fantasy was there first.

 Galas wrote:
How can't they know about 8th edition when they are literally working in the same building?
How can anybody believe that?

Well, they do and they don’t. Last time I was staff (2010) Forgeworld were on the ground floor, left of reception. The Studio was first floor, right of reception.

FW were happy for us to walk in whenevs. Studio, polar opposite.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ve been to HQ, on the staff side.

Twaddle.

Spesh as we got the FW Indecies really quickly....

I've spoken to people who've also been to HQ on the staff side, and by their accounts it's not twaddle at all. All the different subdivisions are kept separate, keycards everywhere, left hand doesn't even know the right hand exists.

And the fact we got the indices really quickly is exactly the point - they were gak because GW told FW about 8th so late they had to rush them out the door. Or are we forgetting Fires already, where FW spent ages working on a supplement for 7th and ended up having to scrap the whole thing because they'd almost finished it by the time they found out 8th was coming.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
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It killed 40k? news to me (sarcasm, but only partly). And how could GW have "sprung" 8th edition on FW when they're the same company? FW would have known about it as soon as the decision was made to produce 8th.

You're kidding aye? I mean, surely if you're going to make snarky remarks you'd make sure you knew WHF was around for years before 40K and was the system around which GW developed from a retailer of other people's stuff into the style of company that exists today.

And as above - they're "the same company", but GW are paranoid nutters - less GWHQ, more GCHQ. The FW team get told about 40K stuff shortly before it's ready to go. The Specialist Games guys weren't even told Shadow War and the Sector Mechanicus terrain were being developed while they were busy working on Necromunda. People can scoff all they like, but eventually they could maybe provide an alternative explanation for why non-Studio teams keep presenting every appearance of being completely blindsided by what the Studio guys are doing.

 Galas wrote:
How can't they know about 8th edition when they are literally working in the same building?
How can anybody believe that?

Very easily - if the internal structure is highly compartmentalized. GW treats leaks and such quite seriously - they are very keen to control their marketing. Plus I think that they are more than aware of how damaging info being released too early can be.

Just look at Spartan Games for a good example of where info released too early is bad. They hinted at ships and factions and things long before they were firm releases. When they then never mentioned them again they lost faith from the market; when those dates got slipped and such it further harmed their image. Heck just look at the marketing explosion when one half of a sprue is leaked (the recent Fiend of Slaanesh). Now we know that's coming and we knew it was coming, but imagine if some of those early design phase photos or such got out - models that are years off or which are only ever concepts could be leaked everywhere.


Also even in smaller teams its possible that work schedules and layout can mean that you never end up in the other half of the site even if you're only a handfull of paces from it. I've worked in a few places where there's a big divide on staff; a good example is indoor/customer staff and outdoor/practical staff. Even though they are working on the same site, you can go months without actually spending any time in the "other half" of the site or such, even if you're only a few paces from each other. You come in and get on with your work in your niche.

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.

Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better

Welcome to an opinion held by a single person... you.

FW is a disaster in 8th.

Hooooray! My girlfriend just preordered me the Necron Walker for my birthday! Can’t wait to get that bad boy painted up

It's odd that the description(s) of the Seraptek talk about it controlling other canoptek constructs, but it's rules... don't.

 Legiocustodes wrote:
Hooooray! My girlfriend just preordered me the Necron Walker for my birthday! Can’t wait to get that bad boy painted up

Yes.

Hello.

Is that the Nerd Police? It is? Excellent.

Yes. I’d like to report a Nerd with a girlfriend. And she buys him expensive Resin Crack.

What’s that? He’s looking at 25 to life? Sounds fair.

Oh? Erm....my name? It’s....J.R. Hartley.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
It's odd that the description(s) of the Seraptek talk about it controlling other canoptek constructs, but it's rules... don't.

Yeah, however a lot of models have lore and fluff that never makes it into the rules, though it is odd they pointed it out on the web page. Would have thought it meant it used to have some kind of aura or buff for other canoptek's that was later dropped.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Legiocustodes wrote:
Hooooray! My girlfriend just preordered me the Necron Walker for my birthday! Can’t wait to get that bad boy painted up

Yes.

Hello.

Is that the Nerd Police? It is? Excellent.

Yes. I’d like to report a Nerd with a girlfriend. And she buys him expensive Resin Crack.

What’s that? He’s looking at 25 to life? Sounds fair.

Oh? Erm....my name? It’s....J.R. Hartley.

JR Hartley.... showing your age there; fanatastic fly fishing book!!

To be fair she only buys me these things to get me out of her for days at a time!

Anyone heard anything about the next Heresy black book release?

 Knockagh wrote:
Anyone heard anything about the next Heresy black book release?

Or fires.... or talons of the emperor.... or any publication with new 40k content.

If I had to guess, I'd say that Malevolence (the next black book) will be released at the weekender in February.

The original estimate was end of 2018, but you can always add 3-6 months to FW estimates. And besides, why release something in December or January when you can make a splash and show of it at your big event in February?

I thought Talons would be 2018, but who knows? I don't know that Fires is even currently being worked on, so I wouldn't get my hopes up about that one.

 gorgon wrote:
If I had to guess, I'd say that Malevolence (the next black book) will be released at the weekender in February.

The original estimate was end of 2018, but you can always add 3-6 months to FW estimates. And besides, why release something in December or January when you can make a splash and show of it at your big event in February?

I thought Talons would be 2018, but who knows? I don't know that Fires is even currently being worked on, so I wouldn't get my hopes up about that one.

Talons was last previewed about the same time as the sumpcrock and the new necron walker were first shown, so logic would dictate it should be this year and soon.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Legiocustodes wrote:
Hooooray! My girlfriend just preordered me the Necron Walker for my birthday! Can’t wait to get that bad boy painted up

Yes.

Hello.

Is that the Nerd Police? It is? Excellent.

Yes. I’d like to report a Nerd with a girlfriend. And she buys him expensive Resin Crack.

What’s that? He’s looking at 25 to life? Sounds fair.

Oh? Erm....my name? It’s....J.R. Hartley.

What's next Beattie and her ology? Nicole and Papa? Popping over for a Gold Blend

Don't mind Grotsnik, he was affected by the Millenium Bug and his references haven't updated since 1999.

 gorgon wrote:
If I had to guess, I'd say that Malevolence (the next black book) will be released at the weekender in February.

The original estimate was end of 2018, but you can always add 3-6 months to FW estimates. And besides, why release something in December or January when you can make a splash and show of it at your big event in February?

I thought Talons would be 2018, but who knows? I don't know that Fires is even currently being worked on, so I wouldn't get my hopes up about that one.

I would say they make a pretty good Christmas gift though. I only really do one FW order per year at Christmas, so I can get past the unjustifiable shipping with a large order.

 Legiocustodes wrote:
To be fair she only buys me these things to get me out of her for days at a time!

I hope there is a typo there

 Haighus wrote:

 Legiocustodes wrote:
To be fair she only buys me these things to get me out of her for days at a time!

I hope there is a typo there

Hahahahaha

Out of her way!!!! Out of her way!!

Really love this model. Now that's the firepower I expect from Necrons.

Anybody can shed some light on how credible this is? Or is this 3rd party companys version? Feel it's fake but.

3rd party(non GW) sculpt.http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350965-sanguinius-sculpt-by-andrei-demidov-render-so-far/

Ok. Well hopefully officil one tops that

Yeah. For some reason he's got a giant paw print on his chest

tneva82 wrote:
Anybody can shed some light on how credible this is? Or is this 3rd party companys version? Feel it's fake but.

nice model but the pistol does look like a mad nerf gun.

I really want the legit FW one 'descending in fiery wrath' like the judgment of God.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I really want the legit FW one 'descending in fiery wrath' like the judgment of God.

I'll suggest that the only thing that it will be 'descending in fiery wrath' on is your wallet.

My prediction is the office FW one will be half as good as some of the many non-GW sculpts and cost four to eight times as much, due to the incredible cost of hiring someone no one's never heard of and adding actual Emperor sneezes to the resin.


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I'm not even sure what to say other than... a lot of greenstuff appears to be needed...

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I really want the legit FW one 'descending in fiery wrath' like the judgment of God.

I'll suggest that the only thing that it will be 'descending in fiery wrath' on is your wallet.

My prediction is the office FW one will be half as good as some of the many non-GW sculpts and cost four to eight times as much, due to the incredible cost of hiring someone no one's never heard of and adding actual Emperor sneezes to the resin.


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I'm not even sure what to say other than... a lot of greenstuff appears to be needed...

Yes by the look of that poor guy you won't need to add green paint. And people say the chinese ripoffs are bad quality. inspector #5 should stand in line at the unemployment line now.

 BaronIveagh wrote:


I'll suggest that the only thing that it will be 'descending in fiery wrath' on is your wallet.

QFT.

As an Australian, this comment got me right in the feels.

Also, can I just mention that Kabuki do an amazing Sanguinius?

Never would have mentioned that once, but any loyalty I ever had to FW has died...

Wow....FW released two things this week......

Has there been any news on when the next imperial armour book will be out? I'd like some rules for custodes in 40k.

So, they just announced their weekender...2nd-3rd February. Tickets on sale this Saturday.

Though it would be a great idea to visit them. For ~400sh euros that's a huege NOPE. Man, I'm so jealous to those who live in UK :(

 CragHack wrote:
So, they just announced their weekender...2nd-3rd February. Tickets on sale this Saturday.

Though it would be a great idea to visit them. For ~400sh euros that's a huege NOPE. Man, I'm so jealous to those who live in UK :(

Its about that just for the hotel with food, so its not much cheaper if you can save on the flight cost. The ticket was £75 last year. The hotel is about £125 a night in advance including breakfast and its worth getting there the night before if you can. As the hotel is now further out from anywhere you'll either need a decent drive to get food or pay for the hotel. A reasonable starting budget for just one night, ticket, and food at the hotel is going to be £250, rising to £400 for the two nights.

If I can get a ticket I'm driving each day to save money, the new hotel is closer to where I live and without the draw of a night out in Nottingham I just can't be with the extra cost of the hotel.

Lots of Horus Heresy goodies this week:

Look of the Landspeeders is growing on me.

The price just appears to be growing.

I don't mind paying £50 for a nice kit, but not when it barely registers in the points department!

Really excited to see these kits. The Land Speeders will be great for my Ravenwing lists, and I’ve been wanting a model for Lord Arkos the Faithless, too.

I remember tracking those speeders down when they first released. Used way too much superglue on them, but they looked great to me. I suppose I’ll need to get two or three next year after tax season.

Where are the rules for these stripped down speeders?

changemod wrote:
Where are the rules for these stripped down speeders?

They're just Land Speeders. No other rules needed.

 zedmeister wrote:

changemod wrote:
Where are the rules for these stripped down speeders?

They're just Land Speeders. No other rules needed.

That seems unlikely, all the other variant land speeders have rules.

changemod wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

changemod wrote:
Where are the rules for these stripped down speeders?

They're just Land Speeders. No other rules needed.

That seems unlikely, all the other variant land speeders have rules.

These aren't meant to be a variant with a slightly different role though, but are a pattern that was extant during the Great Crusade. They are broadly the same size, and equipped the same, as the plastic Speeder. The Javelin and DA speeders are larger, with heavier weapons.

changemod wrote:
That seems unlikely, all the other variant land speeders have rules.

These are just a different (or original) pattern of the standard Land Speeder. No new rules needed. At stretch you could argue that an extension of the original rules is needed to cover the weapon options but, for example, this is meant to be used as a standard Land Speeder in the Legion list.

 Legiocustodes wrote:
...to get me out of her for days at a time!

This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.

 deviantduck wrote:

 Legiocustodes wrote:
...to get me out of her for days at a time!

This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.

I suppose that might have been funny...about 2 weeks ago?

Anyway, welcome to today - aren't those retro Land Speeders (with no additional and/or new rules) cool?

 Mysterio wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Legiocustodes wrote:
...to get me out of her for days at a time!

This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.

I suppose that might have been funny...about 2 weeks ago?

Anyway, welcome to today - aren't those retro Land Speeders (with no additional and/or new rules) cool?

Why do they need new rules? Their load outs (as shown) are exactly the same as the regular Landspeeders of 30k.

These localized prices are so bad. The land speeder is 12% more expensive in Canadian dollars than it is via its GBP price converted at the current exchange rate.

What a joke.

-edit- I just noticed, the original two pack praetor set is 68 CAD and then the new alpha legion praetors are 89 CAD combined. Jeez.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Legiocustodes wrote:
...to get me out of her for days at a time!

This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.

I suppose that might have been funny...about 2 weeks ago?

Anyway, welcome to today - aren't those retro Land Speeders (with no additional and/or new rules) cool?

Why do they need new rules? Their load outs (as shown) are exactly the same as the regular Landspeeders of 30k.

Exactly?

And...that was my point?

I didn't say they needed them?

And....er...whatever?

Anyway, yes, I do like the retro Land Speeders - no additional rules needed - or expected!

I continue to not care about things FW releases, continued RIP renegades and heretics.

 Mysterio wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Legiocustodes wrote:
...to get me out of her for days at a time!

This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.

I suppose that might have been funny...about 2 weeks ago?

Anyway, welcome to today - aren't those retro Land Speeders (with no additional and/or new rules) cool?

Why do they need new rules? Their load outs (as shown) are exactly the same as the regular Landspeeders of 30k.

Exactly?

And...that was my point?

I didn't say they needed them?

And....er...whatever?

Anyway, yes, I do like the retro Land Speeders - no additional rules needed - or expected!

Well you know how context can be. I took you to be someone complaining that they didnt have any rules, and all you said was that they have no rules, with no real point to be seen.

I have to disagree though, I do not like the retro Land Speeders, I can see why others might.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don't mind paying £50 for a nice kit, but not when it barely registers in the points department!

You only have to pay £50?

Must be nice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don't mind paying £50 for a nice kit, but not when it barely registers in the points department!

You only have to pay £50?

Must be nice.

I bought a Kytan the other day for £50. Was indeed very nice. Free postage too!

I skimmed this thread and didn't see this (sorry if I missed it): Does anyone know about how big the Seraptek is?

To be honest the only thing keeping me from ordering it is knowing if it will fit in my cabinet or not.

i have my built to have a rough foot print of 300mmx350mm and is roughly 175mm tall

 ph34r wrote:
I continue to not care about things FW releases, continued RIP renegades and heretics.

Same here.

So do we know when the next primarch model is coming... Dorn was last in february, its been a while

how many primarchs are left?

3. Khan, Lion, Sanquinious.
With the rule models have to come out a year of the book, we are going to wait for a bit

LightKing wrote:
So do we know when the next primarch model is coming... Dorn was last in february, its been a while

how many primarchs are left?

Alpharius has come out since Dorn.

mortar_crew wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I continue to not care about things FW releases, continued RIP renegades and heretics.

Same here.

Given that renegade guardsmen are showing up in Blackstone Fortress, I wonder if FW discontinued their R&H models because they know that GW replacements are on the way (and not just in BSF?!)

 Jadenim wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I continue to not care about things FW releases, continued RIP renegades and heretics.

Same here.

Given that renegade guardsmen are showing up in Blackstone Fortress, I wonder if FW discontinued their R&H models because they know that GW replacements are on the way (and not just in BSF?!)

Within the next couple years, could happen. They certainly aren't going to rush it.

 ph34r wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I continue to not care about things FW releases, continued RIP renegades and heretics.

Same here.

Given that renegade guardsmen are showing up in Blackstone Fortress, I wonder if FW discontinued their R&H models because they know that GW replacements are on the way (and not just in BSF?!)

Within the next couple years, could happen. They certainly aren't going to rush it.

We don’t know how much work they’ve done on them already (if they are coming).

Preview of stuff coming soon: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/12/12th-nov-coming-soon-from-forge-world-new-titans-knights-and-morefw-homepage-post-2/

Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.

That titan does look lovely as do the knights, I like the scenery also but its a bit pricey for me, I prefer to make my own.

void stalker wrote:
i have my built to have a rough foot print of 300mmx350mm and is roughly 175mm tall

Thanks!

 Rayvon wrote:
Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.

Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.

Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?

Do the new GW style buildings fit on the FW gaming board city tiles still?

 nerdfest09 wrote:
Do the new GW style buildings fit on the FW gaming board city tiles still?

I've done a look for this and it appears they generally do fit. Here's an image I've dug up - search for @heresy_era on Instagram for more:

 Mysterio wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.

Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.

Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?

It's the same as how they've released several new models in duel army battle games. Eg the new Wrath and Rapture boxed set for Khorne and Slaanesh (which isn't as bad as most as both can be used in the same army if you want at least); or the Necron Vs AdMech.

It seems GW currently favours expensive boxed sets and then later smaller releases. Heck they've done the same with Orks and Speed Freaks.

 Mysterio wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.

Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.

Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?

Aye they will come eventually when they have milked those willing to buy a new titan just for the weapons, not totally unexpected but it put me off, I was going to collect a maniple just for the models, now im just going to sell my GM sets and buy one warlord and get it painted just for display when the good looking weapons are out.

 Overread wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.

Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.

Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?

It's the same as how they've released several new models in duel army battle games. Eg the new Wrath and Rapture boxed set for Khorne and Slaanesh (which isn't as bad as most as both can be used in the same army if you want at least); or the Necron Vs AdMech.

It seems GW currently favours expensive boxed sets and then later smaller releases. Heck they've done the same with Orks and Speed Freaks.

Well that's the HOPE. There's no quarantee that's actually the plan though

 Rayvon wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.

Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.

Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?

Aye they will come eventually when they have milked those willing to buy a new titan just for the weapons, not totally unexpected but it put me off, I was going to collect a maniple just for the models, now im just going to sell my GM sets and buy one warlord and get it painted just for display when the good looking weapons are out.

There has been an official response saying no weapon pack will be made available on its own. Then when people pointed out that weapon packs had been mentioned Andy Horae pooped up on FB saying he was careful at no point to say weapon packs would be available seperately despite them being mentioned multiple times. So they have planned this since before launch but did not have the balls to say so despite knowing all along that the weapon packs were going to be £90 with a free warlord.

SeanDrake wrote:


There has been an official response saying no weapon pack will be made available on its own. Then when people pointed out that weapon packs had been mentioned Andy Horae pooped up on FB saying he was careful at no point to say weapon packs would be available seperately despite them being mentioned multiple times. So they have planned this since before launch but did not have the balls to say so despite knowing all along that the weapon packs were going to be £90 with a free warlord.

Is Andy the chap doing FW messages on FB ?

I have not seen him say that weapons packs will not be coming at all ever, only that there are no plans as yet, care to link where it was said ?

I really need to make my mind up what im doing, I have over £500 quids worth of stuff sat here and im not sure I still want it.

 Rayvon wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


There has been an official response saying no weapon pack will be made available on its own. Then when people pointed out that weapon packs had been mentioned Andy Horae pooped up on FB saying he was careful at no point to say weapon packs would be available seperately despite them being mentioned multiple times. So they have planned this since before launch but did not have the balls to say so despite knowing all along that the weapon packs were going to be £90 with a free warlord.

Is Andy the chap doing FW messages on FB ?

I have not seen him say that weapons packs will not be coming at all ever, only that there are no plans as yet, care to link where it was said ?

I really need to make my mind up what im doing, I have over £500 quids worth of stuff sat here and im not sure I still want it.

Andy is the head of specialist games or some such and he stepped in the people started getting pissed.

Can you link to the 'official' response saying 'no separate weapon packs ever' please?

Thanks!

I too would be interested in knowing where this confirmation came from. If you can't provide a link, at least say where it's meant to have come from? If you can?

It seems that common sense has prevailed.

The response on our Forge World Facebook page has been immense, with thousands of you expressing your excitement, and many of you asking whether you’ll be able to get the new weapon options separately.

Well, we’ve heard your voices and, having incanted the litanies of swift delivery, we can confirm the weapon frame from the new Warlord Battle Titan with Plasma Annihilator and Power Claw will be made available separately early in the new year.

Wardens of Gondor are up for pre-order: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Wardens-of-Gondor-2018

Hallelujah, it's about time these made an appearance.

Not to beat the long mummified remnants of a dead horse, but ye gads, look at the unpainted versions of those faces compared to what the guy has done to them.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Not to beat the long mummified remnants of a dead horse, but ye gads, look at the unpainted versions of those faces compared to what the guy has done to them.

They should have painted them with a different hair colour of something, they look totally "Not-Aragorns" with that paintjob.

And also, yeah.

Mutated asiatic aragorn without eyebrowns:


vs
Stoic knight of the West

Is this the best FW paint job in years?

Even forgetting the work on the faces, that's better quality than I've seen in some time from them.

Got to give the guy his due however. The face is godawful, but the horse is fantastic.

Way better than sewer croc.

Warbringer Nemesis Titan incoming (before Christmas)!

They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to.

Nope - the Mori Quake Cannon is an arm weapon for a Warlord (and there isn't a model for it yet). The Warbringer Nemesis is smaller & more heavily armoured than a Warlord ("Sitting between the Warlord and Reaver in size"), and it has Reaver arms.

beast_gts wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to.

Nope - the Mori Quake Cannon is an arm weapon for a Warlord (and there isn't a model for it yet). The Warbringer Nemesis is smaller & more heavily armoured than a Warlord ("Sitting between the Warlord and Reaver in size"), and it has Reaver arms.

Funny, the warlord pictured here http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/hootibix/Epic/WIPLegioMetalicaWarlord.jpg has got one mounted on his left arm, this one has one on his right arm https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0261/52/1374505027768.jpg , and here's a picture with a warlord with a quake cannon on both carapace mounts. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4qvrWDNuvi3GJ95HSBtaL7-cv9TaKT9KQ3ZOgIJ-A4tWRuHS9 .

I'm pretty damn positive you could mount 4 of them if you really felt like it. So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.

I think the beast was talking about 'now', and not 'long ago' as would be the timeframe for the titan models you've linked to there.

 Mysterio wrote:
I think the beast was talking about 'now', and not 'long ago' as would be the timeframe for the titan models you've linked to there.

Yes - in the current 30k & 40k (& AT) rules, the Quake Cannon is an arm only weapon. Sorry for any confusion.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I'm pretty damn positive you could mount 4 of them if you really felt like it. So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.

It's not the weapon but the fact it's intermediate version for the hull. For carapace it allows other weapons like bellicosa volcano cannon as well.

It's basically cross between reaver and warlord so more like upgunned and uparmoured reaver without going all the way to the warlord level. Allows access to warlord level weapons on cheaper and possibly faster mount.

Though it's possible the quake cannon this mounts has some additional rules for artirelly use. Indirect fire ability? That could be neat.

beast_gts wrote:
Warbringer Nemesis Titan incoming (before Christmas)!

Spoiler:

When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon.

On an Inferno cannon...maybe?

But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece?

Bob Lorgar wrote:
So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.

Probably because "quake cannon" is a general term for a class of weapons, and this is a particularly impressive one. I mean, as much as I love IG, I don't think the quake cannon mounted on a Baneblade-class tank is the same as the one on a Warlord titan.

They used to be, same as Volcano Cannons and Vulcan Mega Bolters on other stuff in Epic. Then they made up new ones to make Titans in 40K stronger. Just add “Ridculosa Pattern” to the front and double the S value, in typical FW fashion.

It's been that way since the very beginning, IIRC. I'll need to go back to my 1st edition Space Marine reference sheets to confirm, but anyway; the weapons mounted on titans in 1st edition Adeptus Titanicus were called the same names as those weapons used by infantry and vehicles (the plastic titan weapon that went on to be called the Gatling Blaster, and the metal one that became the Vulcan Mega-bolter were autocannon, for example), but had different stats as they were clearly bigger. All three Imperial titan classes used them though, the difference being the rating (a Warhound would have a 1- or 2-shot autocannon, a Warlord could have up to four shots).

Then in 2nd edition Epic, the weapons were renamed and the metal Reaver/Warhound weapons split out to become lighter weapons (Warlords could still use them, but why bother since you didn't pay additional points for weapons, and most players didn't use the plastic Warlord weapons on Reavers because the model came with metal ones in the box). Then in 3rd edition Epic 40,000 the Warlord was tweaked a little more by mounting the lighter weapons on the carapace, which has become the norm ever since.

 Padre wrote:
When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon.

On an Inferno cannon...maybe?

But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece?

Perhaps to ignite the shell? Maybe set off some sort of additional booster?

In Epic 2nd, the Quake Cannon was one of the few non-barrage weapons that could take out buildings. They were pretty lethal with a (if I recall correctly) 150cm range, 3+ to hit and a -4 save. Most buildings had a 7+ (or maybe 5+) save on 2d6 so it'd make quite a mess of one (as well as the occupants).

Was quite suprised to see that the Warmonger is coming before Christmas, was expecting it to be released at the HH Weekender at the earliest!

Wonder when it will actually go on sale, thinking maybe pre-order on the 7th for release on the 14th, as if it goes later than that then delivery is going to fall right over the Christmas holiday period, which just seems like a recipe for annoying people with delayed deliveries etc. Plus I imagine a lot of people would be quite pleased to get it in time to start work on it over the Christmas holidays.

Were there any hints at the price? I'm guessing the body with cannon is likely to be around the price of the Warlord body (if not slightly more) as the Titan itself doesn't look that much smaller than the Warlord, but then it will work out a bit cheaper overall as you'll only need the two Reaver class weapons.

 Padre wrote:

When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon.

On an Inferno cannon...maybe?

But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece?

I imagine it's a nod to the original Quake Cannon design, which had a similar structure. You can see it here on the upper left, just to the right of the banner pole:

<headcanon>the quake cannon is an electromagnetic cannon and that bit is to neutralise the charged projectile as it leaves the barrel, to avoid uncontrolled electrical arcing</headcanon>

The multimelta (fourth from left, bottom) has something similar, and that's just as unexplained.

Hmmm, re the "igniter"...good points, gents (and ladies, if applicable).

I think the Epic homage does make sense, actually...may have to see what it looks like "in the flesh", so to speak...

Tavis75 wrote:
Were there any hints at the price? I'm guessing the body with cannon is likely to be around the price of the Warlord body (if not slightly more) as the Titan itself doesn't look that much smaller than the Warlord, but then it will work out a bit cheaper overall as you'll only need the two Reaver class weapons.

It's stated to be in between class so should be bigger than reaver, smaller than warlord. Thus I would expect somewhat cheaper than warlord.

I love the Nemesis model, may strongly consider getting one depending on the price and wherever you can buy it in individual parts such as arms, weapons etc.

My only reservation however, is that I'm betting the rules will be pretty crap. FW will simply give it Reaver weapons, 2x Quad Long-Barrel Autocannons and the Quake Cannon will be exactly the same as the standard Warlord one. Personally I'd give it an AoE effect, such as "Nominate a point on the battlefield within range. Any unit within 6" of the point is hit by the cannon." with the cannon stats remaining the same as the Quake Cannon but with the ability to actually hit more than one unit at a time.

It is the same weapon as the one on the Warlord, though; no need for it to be somehow better just because it's on a smaller unit.

 Valkyrie wrote:
I love the Nemesis model, may strongly consider getting one depending on the price and wherever you can buy it in individual parts such as arms, weapons etc.

The arms are definitely seperate as they're just the Reaver ones and the Community website has stated that there will be a choice of 4 weapons arms available at launch, which is the three existing Reaver ones (Gatling Blaster, Turbo-laser and Melta) plus the new re-designed Reaver Volcano Cannon (I'm assuming it can't mount a Reaver Power fist as that wasn't mentioned, and probably wouldn't be that sensible an option anyway considering the titans role).

Don't know if the head and main weapon will be seperate, hoping the head will be as I'm not 100% keen on the current head but suspect that the main weapon will be part of the body as it looks to me like if they were to release other weapons then other parts of the body would be redesigned, i.e. if they did a volcano cannon version then the large counterweights at the back of the body would be replaced by power cells or something (unless things like that have also been designed as part of the weapon kit).


I'm also considering getting one to add to my pile of incomplete titan parts as I really like the design (apart from the head).

It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".

Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.

 Valkyrie wrote:
It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".

Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.

Hopefully the carapace weapons will be coming soon, as I believe FW stated that the versions for AT were created at 28mm scale and then scaled down for AT (though admittedly all we've seen for the Reaver so far are the Apocalypse Launcher and Turbo-laser), and looks like the new Reaver Volcano cannon has come from the one designed for the new AT Reaver.

Tavis75 wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".

Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.

Hopefully the carapace weapons will be coming soon, as I believe FW stated that the versions for AT were created at 28mm scale and then scaled down for AT (though admittedly all we've seen for the Reaver so far are the Apocalypse Launcher and Turbo-laser), and looks like the new Reaver Volcano cannon has come from the one designed for the new AT Reaver.

Good spot. Looks like there is a new Reaver Volcano Cannon coming:

Old:


New:

Yep, initially spotted it on the preview of the new Reaver sprue, definitely a worthwhile upgrade as the old version is a bit dull looking (and pretty different in style to the Warlord version).

Tavis75 wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".

Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.

Hopefully the carapace weapons will be coming soon, as I believe FW stated that the versions for AT were created at 28mm scale and then scaled down for AT (though admittedly all we've seen for the Reaver so far are the Apocalypse Launcher and Turbo-laser), and looks like the new Reaver Volcano cannon has come from the one designed for the new AT Reaver.

During the designer's review in the run up to AT's release, they did explain that their software has a debigulator button. Seems they used this on the Warlord CAD before tidying up. Reaver and Warhound however had to be entered from scratch, not having previously had CAD files.

So whether the AT carapace weapons were sculpted in that scale, or 28mm, the can still be resizographed or debigulated to suit the other

tneva82 wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
Were there any hints at the price? I'm guessing the body with cannon is likely to be around the price of the Warlord body (if not slightly more) as the Titan itself doesn't look that much smaller than the Warlord, but then it will work out a bit cheaper overall as you'll only need the two Reaver class weapons.

It's stated to be in between class so should be bigger than reaver, smaller than warlord. Thus I would expect somewhat cheaper than warlord.

Its got that big gun on top though so that might bump the price up to warlord level.

 Galas wrote:


Mutated asiatic aragorn without eyebrowns:

Spoiler:

vs
Stoic knight of the West

Spoiler:

Why?

They need to stop this painter from painting faces; I bet it is the same person who destroyed the face of that Escher character. Sure, it is painted in far finer detail than I ever could, yet it is utterly horrible and mutates the sculpt beyond recognition.

Warbringer Nemesis (and the new Vocano cannon for the Reaver\Warbringer) are up for pre-order, the head and the quake cannon are seperate, so looks like there will be options in the future (glad about that, not keen on the current head) and the head comes with the shields the same as the Warlord. The anti-aircraft turrets come with the body though, so guess they wont get variants.

£980 in total, so a bit cheaper than the Warlord overall as expected.

Body £690
Quake Cannon £100
Arm weapons £65 each
Head £60

Will be interested to see the other weapons for the top, hoping for a Sunfury Plasma Cannon or the Warlord gatling weapon, as I reckon they would both look pretty cool on top but also imagine a Volcano cannon is most likely at first.

Blood Angels Praetors as well as dreadnoughts are available for preorder too ...

Rules for 30k and 40k for the Warbringer

And another pair of Consuls:

So what's the different between Reaver and "Battle Titan" Melta and Gatling Blaster arm that give them a 4$ increase in price?

well, that one consul finally gives me everything I need to make AL Exodus ...

It looks like they've changed the Vigilator model slightly. I remember when they previewed on the community site ages ago it had a different, much goofier looking face. It might've been the way it was painted though.

Chopstick wrote:
So what's the different between Reaver and "Battle Titan" Melta and Gatling Blaster arm that give them a 4$ increase in price?

They have remodeled some of the guns entirely, some just have the "arm" fixing point changed to support the new Warbringer:
Brand new Volcano Cannon:



Melta Cannon with different arm:

Chopstick wrote:
So what's the different between Reaver and "Battle Titan" Melta and Gatling Blaster arm that give them a 4$ increase in price?

I would assume full colour instructions and a box, and just inflation.



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 Looky Likey wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
So what's the different between Reaver and "Battle Titan" Melta and Gatling Blaster arm that give them a 4$ increase in price?

They have remodeled some of the guns entirely, some just have the "arm" fixing point changed to support the new Warbringer:

I'd spotted the new Volcano cannon as that's completely different, hadn't noticed there were differences on the others though. For instance, the armour plating on the Melta Cannon is more detailed on the new version.

The attachment point for the pipes that run from the body to the guns has changed as well, they now appear to be on top of the weapon, whereas before they were on the side and you had to build the weapon either left or right handed, now it looks like you may be able to build the weapons so they can be magnetised and will fit on either side. Wonder how that will work for the pipes that come with the Reaver though, as they are designed to go into the side and come moulded into roughly the right shape to support this.

Suprisingly though, the AT version of the Reaver still has the side mounted cables, I assumed these new versions of these weapons would be based on the ones created for AT.

That's an incredible release from FW this morning, like the old days with several releases in one go!

The consuls are a must have, and the BA stuff is great.

 Valkyrie wrote:
It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".

Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.

Last month I came across an ebay auction (from Korea) that had a FW Turbo Laser carapace turret for sale. They must really like that RoB tile without the weapon, for they seemed to have several copies of it for sale. They still have one available as of right now.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Last month I came across an ebay auction (from Korea) that had a FW Turbo Laser carapace turret for sale. They must really like that RoB tile without the weapon, for they seemed to have several copies of it for sale. They still have one available as of right now.

That must be it, I can see no other way that someone in Korea could end up with multiple copies of that turret

Tavis75 wrote:

I'd spotted the new Volcano cannon as that's completely different, hadn't noticed there were differences on the others though. For instance, the armour plating on the Melta Cannon is more detailed on the new version.

The majority of the melta is the same, its that one panel near the arm joint that has more detail. Mine is a Chaos one but the insides are the same:

On the Reaver, does that upper arm piece that holds the weapon come with the body or with the weapons?

 Rolsheen wrote:
On the Reaver, does that upper arm piece that holds the weapon come with the body or with the weapons?

I'm pretty sure it came with the Reaver, and in fact, unless it's changed since I got my reaver, the upper arm part that connects the weapon to the shoulder is actually one piece, not in two halves like the image of the volcano cannon suggests, so I think the image of the old Volcano cannon is just poorly shaded and misleading.

Although looking at the FW website it certainly makes it look like the upper arm piece comes with the weapon (and that would make the weapons consistent with the power fist which has a different upper arm piece), so not sure what is going on now as it looks like the new weapons don't include that piece, but the website states they work with the Reaver. Unless they've change it, but that would seem to be a nightmare from the point of dealing with old stock or for people wanting to add extra weapons to an old Reaver.

 Rolsheen wrote:
On the Reaver, does that upper arm piece that holds the weapon come with the body or with the weapons?

The arms come with the weapons, as they can be different arms depending on the weapon. For example the powerfist/powerclaw is very different. My Reaver power claw is for the same side as the melta:

robbienw wrote:
That's an incredible release from FW this morning, like the old days with several releases in one go!

The consuls are a must have, and the BA stuff is great.

I agree ... but that should be it for some time now regarding HH releases ... everything that was previewed over the last months is now released, is it not?

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
On the Reaver, does that upper arm piece that holds the weapon come with the body or with the weapons?

The arms come with the weapons, as they can be different arms depending on the weapon. For example the powerfist/powerclaw is very different. My Reaver power claw is for the same side as the melta:

Thanks, I wonder if there going to change it now because it comes with the new Titans body and doesn't show it on the weapon photos

Man, more than a single release in a week. Impressive.