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sockwithaticket wrote:If my memory banks aren't playing their usual tricks, didn't they say late 2019 for the next HH black book with catch up releases for models in the published ones in the meantime.The latter certainly hasn't been much in evidence yet, though you'd have thought the generic legion consuls previewed recently can;t be too far off.
JWBS wrote:
Your wit would be impressive had the answer before yours not been typed hours before.
Could you entertain the notion that, as the author of one of the comments seemingly in question, I was confirming IAmAGeek's assertion? I wasn't trying to be particularly witty, just a spot of light snark to start the day. Having seen your interaction with Mysterio, feel free to also ignore me henceforth.
They did say late 2018 for Malevolence, but it will almost certainly be delayed. It might come out at the February Heresy weekender.
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Post by: BrianDavion
Tannhauser42 wrote: Mysterio wrote:Alan Bligh must have meant even more to FW than we knew - and we knew he meant a lot...
I feel like Alan Bligh was the raging bonfire that kept the Horus Heresy forges working, and everyone else there is just a Zippo lighter.
yeah I'm definatly given the impression that Bligh was the driving force in FW..
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
For quite a long time, Horus Heresy was the [/I]only[/I] focus of Forge World's activity (hence the endless complaints that "they've released more doors"). Now, they've got Blood Bowl, Necromunda and Adeptus Titanicus to do too, as well as Middle Earth. That would slow down HH releases even if Alan Bligh hadn't died. Forge World have been expanding their staff levels, but unless they're now five times the size they were a couple of years ago, they're simply not going to be producing HH material at the rate they were.
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Post by: beast_gts
Haighus wrote:
Hasn't the reorganisation really been going on since the sad passing of Alan Bligh? I should think he means back to that point, not what we had a couple of months ago.
Apparently GW are expanding into a building over the road from their HQ and this is taking longer than planned (warehouse space in HQ is being given to manufacturing, and the new building will be warehouse).
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Post by: Valkyrie
While the painting looks pretty decent, the model itself it a bit of a joke. That Heavy Bolter looks like it's close to shooting the pilot in the back of the head. And are those Rocket that are just lazily attached to the fins?
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Post by: Haighus
I like it. Has a real stripped down, lowest-weight-possible look to it.
Valkyrie wrote:While the painting looks pretty decent, the model itself it a bit of a joke. That Heavy Bolter looks like it's close to shooting the pilot in the back of the head. And are those Rocket that are just lazily attached to the fins?
Hunter-killer missiles.
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Post by: Mysterio
Finally something other than no-content/low value posts, with Rule 1 and Rule 2 being treated as something other than vague suggestions - thank you for posting this here Redemption!
Valkyrie - you're right in that the old design did suffer from that look/problem too, but I still do like the retro feel to it.
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Post by: zedmeister
Been looking forward to this. Managed to snag the limited edition one earlier this year but been looking forward to the MkIV and weapon options.
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Post by: Mysterio
The limited one was MKVI, right?
Hopefully it becomes available again, even if only now and then, at shows, etc.
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Post by: zedmeister
Mysterio wrote:The limited one was MKVI, right?
Hopefully it becomes available again, even if only now and then, at shows, etc.
Aye, it's the one with Mk VI armour and multimelta only. Is available at Warhammer World as well as events.
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Post by: Barzam
It's pretty damn ugly, and I can't help but like it. It looks a fair bit bigger than the plastic kit, too. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one somewhere down the line.
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Post by: Mysterio
Do you think it only appeals to people who have been playing for 20+ years, or does it have a more universal attraction?
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Mysterio wrote:Do you think it only appeals to people who have been playing for 20+ years, or does it have a more universal attraction?
By default there'll be some more recent players/collectors who are into it, the player base is big enough, but I have a hard time seeing it appeal to many who aren't affected by the nostalgia fsctor.
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Post by: JWBS
Barzam wrote:It's pretty damn ugly, and I can't help but like it. It looks a fair bit bigger than the plastic kit, too. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one somewhere down the line.
Speeder has always been kind of weird. I hated that one with the armoured front, much preferred to old style (like this), but looking back, none of them seem particularly attractive.
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Post by: Crimson
I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.
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Post by: JWBS
Crimson wrote:I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.

yeah, probably the best balance in this one (for clarity, this is the one I particularly disliked http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Land_Speeder_Tornado.jpg , it's not offensively terrible, but like I say, none of the various iterations have been "I gotta paint this" for me personally)
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Post by: Haighus
Mysterio wrote:Do you think it only appeals to people who have been playing for 20+ years, or does it have a more universal attraction?
I'm a player of 11 years (this week) who likes it. The modern plastic speeder is the only one I've ever known available.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Interesting, red helmets on the crew. Confirmation that the different coloured helms for the BA are a post Heresy thing?
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Post by: BrookM
The pilot sports a golden gauntlet though, not sure if that signifies anything?
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Post by: JWBS
GoatboyBeta wrote:
Interesting, red helmets on the crew. Confirmation that the different coloured helms for the BA are a post Heresy thing?
I've never seen evidence to the contrary.
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
BrookM wrote:The pilot sports a golden gauntlet though, not sure if that signifies anything?
Maybe which hand is his pimp hand
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Post by: warboss
Some designs should stay in nostagalic RT memories and not be faithfully remade. That speeder and the named (Chuck, Fred, whatever) dreadnoughts would be good examples of them IMO.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
sockwithaticket wrote: Mysterio wrote:Do you think it only appeals to people who have been playing for 20+ years, or does it have a more universal attraction?
By default there'll be some more recent players/collectors who are into it, the player base is big enough, but I have a hard time seeing it appeal to many who aren't affected by the nostalgia fsctor.
It has an ugly cool look to it. Id probably grab one if I wasn't still abiding on my no purchase from fw website plan.
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
It needs a variation crewed by imperial guard, I mean inquisitional henchmen.
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Post by: Elbows
It's a nice model, though I agree - the 2nd edition model for the Land Speeder was by far my favourite (and you can kinda/sorta get that with a Javelin I s'pose). The current plastic one is absolute crap.
Not a huge fan of the additional hunter killer missile stuff though, that's a waste.
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Post by: Azreal13
Crimson wrote:I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.

With the added bonus that it could go toe to toe with a dread sock in extremis.
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Post by: Midnightdeathblade
Oh yay... didn't we see this in like February or something? Im just over-joyed.
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Post by: Tavis75
warboss wrote:Some designs should stay in nostagalic RT memories and not be faithfully remade. That speeder and the named (Chuck, Fred, whatever) dreadnoughts would be good examples of them IMO.
Those dreadnoughts would be the Contemptor (Chuck) and the Deredo (Eddy), which have been remade with a certain amount of success IMO, in the fluff the odd names were simply nicknames given to those classes of dreadnoughts.
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Post by: zedmeister
warboss wrote:Some designs should stay in nostagalic RT memories and not be faithfully remade. That speeder and the named (Chuck, Fred, whatever) dreadnoughts would be good examples of them IMO. Last one was called the Furibundus or Fury for short. Contemptor is the "tactical" type, Deredeo is the fire support. Perhaps the Furibundus will be some sort of fast attack mental close combat dreadnought. With Blood Angels coming up, it'd be a good time to push out a new Fast Attack assault dreadnought.
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
That new landspeeder variant looks very much like a kitbash/home brew vehicle to me, rather than a genuine forge world product. I don't think the paintjob is helping to convince me otherwise. My 12 year old self (and innner Ork mek) would be proud of gluing that many oversized guns and missiles to a kit to the point that it becomes genuinely unstable on it's flight stand  Especially given the risk of fatal injury to the crew from normal use of the guns!
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Post by: Tamereth
The hunter killer tac'd on the side looks terrible, and the havoc missile launcher looks far better as the nose gun.
I'll get a squadron of these. Might try to pick up one of the mark VI ones from Warhammer world as part of it. Hopefully these come with all the weapon options so you can upgun the ltd ed one.
Still hoping they do a remake of the 2nd generation ones, that style is by far the best.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Furibundus got re-used as the name of a star in the fluff.
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Post by: Davespil
20+ years and FW/GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
I can see what they were doing with that Land Speeder, and they've emulated the old design fairly well.
Not to say that the original wasn't dumb. If you're into dumb though then there's your nostalgia accounted for, like the rest of that Forgeworld line.
The overall arrangement of the Hellcat Cruisers from the Jak & Daxter series seem a bit more practical to me. Though still suffer from the "I just got shot in the face because I'm exposed to elements" look. At least the air intakes aren't right behind the crew either (and I'm going to stop myself from point out every stupid detail with Games Workshop models, as finding something that isn't ridiculous is more of a challenge...).
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Post by: warboss
Davespil wrote:20+ years and FW/ GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.
I rather like the 3rd edition speeder especially the scout transport variant. I feel that it matched the modern (for that time with the "new" rhino and land raider) marine aesthetic. I'm fond to a lesser extent of the 2nd edition one out of nostalgia (it's still my only land speeder in my 2nd/3rd edition 7,000pt old points scale marine army) but not because of the actual design as I find it a bit cartoony/chibi. The original RT one that this FW variant emulates I find to be both impractical (even by 40k standards) and ugly. YMMV.
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
Yeah it's definitely neat as a nostalgia piece for sure. Assuming rules are top notch, I would even be tempted to pick them up for my Deathwatch.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
All the Speeder designs have been silly, except the fully armored one from FW, Tornado I think?
I always thought they should have a dismount rule allowing the crew to get off and pursue objectives or bail out after a crash, at least then the open top might make sense. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ah here we are, the Tempest.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Davespil wrote:20+ years and FW/ GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? Weaponised religion says otherwise!
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Post by: Snrub
Yeah, the darkshroud/vengeance is good looking, but is ruined by that ludicrous looking nose pulpit.
Tempest is hard to not to like.
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Post by: cuda1179
As a Dark Angels player, I like the idea of a "heavy" landspeeder, and I like the rules for the ones we have. The nose gunner really ruins the concept though. I have plans to convert a Land Speeder Storm into one, using the transport space to have a generator of some kind with weapon pods hanging out the sides like a giant Landspeeder Typhoon.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Snrub wrote:Yeah, the darkshroud/vengeance is good looking, but is ruined by that ludicrous looking nose pulpit.
Yeah, it's the weirdly off-centre front gun that makes zero sense. If it were a single driver (with nose gun) and the double-plasma up the back, it'd be great.
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Post by: tneva82
Davespil wrote:20+ years and FW/ GW still cant design a decent looking landspeeder? What a silly design.
Um that's basically nostalgy piece from 20 year old model. If you would change it's look it would miss the point which is do the same design but with modern technology. You make it closed topped etc and it changes look completely different...
If you want to blame that design blame the original designer. This one is simply faithful reproduction of the old model to sell on nostalgy value.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.
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Post by: Snrub
cuda1179 wrote:As a Dark Angels player, I like the idea of a "heavy" landspeeder, and I like the rules for the ones we have.
Agreed, a heavy land speeder is exactly the sort of thing the Ravenwing would have. You have the up-gunned tornadoes and typhoons for dedicated anti-infantry/light vehicle roles, then what is almost the weapon-equal equivalent of a floating leman russ executioner for busting open fortifications and heavy armour. It makes a whole lot of sense lore wise. I don't know how well the function on the tabletop, but I will probably get at least one for some plasmary fun.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah, it's the weirdly off-centre front gun that makes zero sense. If it were a single driver (with nose gun) and the double-plasma up the back, it'd be great.
I've seen one converted with the front of a regular land speeder in place of the nose pulpit front, with the heavy bolter mounted to the side. It looks much better. Although i'd be tempted just to mount the heavy bolter/assault cannon under the chin like the tornadoes have.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
It's a floating jeep (or a Jackal / Coyote for a more modern equivalent). Open-topped for lightness and because the crew's power armour is just as good as anything the vehicle could mount, I suppose. The heavy weapon fires over the crew's head (their heads don't protrude over the top of the seat) and I would think that the turret mount is designed so it can't accidentally hit the vehicle itself (even if Henry Jones Sr is in control of it!). Automatically Appended Next Post: But fundamentally, it looks like it does because it was designed in 1989, and presumably there were constraints over how large a model it could be (the original is legendarily fiddly to build because none of the bits fit together very well because of distortions in the casting process).
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Post by: Kdash
I agree that the “modern” speeders are significantly better looking than the older versions. I had a playing gap of around 12-13 years, and I can honestly say that compared to the new models, the old ones don’t appeal to me in the slightest – not even from a nostalgia pov.
One Speeder I do like though, that hasn’t been mentioned, is the FW Javelin. To me, it’s a lot sleeker than the current GW ones, and, imo, a fast moving hover vehicle should be sleek (but I guess that kinda goes against the whole Marine vehicle aesthetic). The only problem sometimes though, is the Javelin is a fair bit bigger than a normal speeder (I think) so you can’t always just do a “straight swap”.
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Post by: tneva82
Yeah it's not for all.
Something to keep in mind though is that due to how resin works the upfront cost is smaller than say plastic so they can do odd models like these even if they don't expect to sell a tons of them and still make profit. One benefit when you aren't dealing with plastic(same reason as why in '90's you could have random releases not related to any codex around same time and for various races. Marine chaplain one month, ork weirdboy next, new pose commisar for IG next...These days that many variants of same models would be impossible due to plastic).
So this is basically small cost, small risk model to play on nostalgy(which btw lots of HH models are already...)
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes
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Post by: gorgon
hotsauceman1 wrote:Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes
Well, Malevolence for HH was supposed to be late this year. But the black books basically never come out on time, so it won't be a surprise if it's delayed until the HH weekender next year.
I think the Talons of the Emperor index was the other imminent book? Seems like mum's the word on that one, although I guess the nature of it means it'd just be a book release with no accompanying miniatures. So that's something that could just be announced on some random Friday without many hints or previews.
Fires of Cyraxus is dead, right? Are there any other books that were rumored to be on the way?
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Post by: Haighus
gorgon wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:Do you guys think we will be getting any new book this year for any system? Seems like the Rules department ain't exactly putting out stuff and the last books we got where the indexes
Well, Malevolence for HH was supposed to be late this year. But the black books basically never come out on time, so it won't be a surprise if it's delayed until the HH weekender next year.
I think the Talons of the Emperor index was the other imminent book? Seems like mum's the word on that one, although I guess the nature of it means it'd just be a book release with no accompanying miniatures. So that's something that could just be announced on some random Friday without many hints or previews.
Fires of Cyraxus is dead, right? Are there any other books that were rumored to be on the way?
I didn't think it was officially dead? Just delayed till after the couple of books you mentioned.
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Post by: Erren
It’s delayed indefinitely. It was set pre-Dark Imperium and it sounded like they wanted to update it to current events (I have no idea why). Then there’s the fact the all the rules and whatnot they had done was for 7th. And then the original author/project lead got promoted and doesn’t seem to have time/interest in getting it finished.
I think Admech players would have better luck begging for limited datasheets like some of the 30k Custodes stuff has, but it’s no looking great either way. I feel for them.
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Post by: Red Corsair
FW finally paints a model well and it's possibly the fugliest vehicle kit they have ever tossed out.
BTW odd that the gunner has a gold hand on the joystick. Looks like he has the grim-dark version of a Nintendo power glove on
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Post by: Flinty
I always liked the original speeder. If you are already armoured like a tank, why bother putting further weight on the machine by adding further armour to the cockpit. Given the capabilities of power armour you don't even really need seats. Just a docking clamp to attach to the armour somewhere and the suit can just lock into a suitably shaped seatingposition
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Post by: Galas
New in the sense that are now open to general purchase, but they have been shown months ago.
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Post by: Mymearan
Oh... my. That paint job...
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Post by: Ratius
Yikes thats a poor paint job!
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Post by: zamerion
So.. more than 6 months to paint it.. and still coming soon...
Please, FW hires more people.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
That paint job is not selling it. Wanna see bare resin to judge it properly.
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Post by: Elbows
Better...that paint job elicited a genuine "What the feth?" from me when I scrolled down.
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Post by: ceorron
Crimson wrote:I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.  Me too, I had that one when I was a kid (vanilla SM version). I think that is what they are trying to modernize. But if it's a throwback to that it isn't a very faithful one, or really an inspired one. So i'm really not sure what they are going for here. Also the heavy bolter looks really derpy (too big, not enough modern HB detail) as does the plasma cannon (also too big) though not as bad. Overall not a good interpretation.
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Post by: Xanthos
ceorron wrote: Crimson wrote:I think the second edition one was the best look, I wish they'd recreate that.

Me to, I had that one when I was a kid (vanilla SM version).
I think that is what they are trying to modernize. But if it's a throwback to that it isn't a very faithful one, or really an inspired one. So i'm really not sure what they are going for here. Also the heavy bolter looks really derpy (too big, not enough modern HB detail) as does the plasma cannon (also too big) though not as bad.
Overall not a good interpretation.
Nah, it's a modernization of the 1st edition landspeeder. It's more visible with the limited speeder, but this is what they're copying:
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Post by: Kirasu
One day we'll get a new book and the remaining Primarchs. Until then, land speeders that are completely unnecessary , blood bowl and random lizard creatures!
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Post by: ceorron
Ah well that makes more sense, still not a good model though.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
I'll take Bloodbowl, Necromunda, random lizard creatures and Lord of the Rings over more space marines of various colours.
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Post by: Haighus
Kirasu wrote:One day we'll get a new book and the remaining Primarchs. Until then, land speeders that are completely unnecessary , blood bowl and random lizard creatures!
Technically, according to published background information, the plastic Landspeeder didn't exist until after the Horus Heresy, so this is the only canonical model to use in HH games (excepting the old 1st and 2nd edition models, most likely). In that sense, it fills a hole in the army lists.
The lizard creature is a pet for Necromunda, so it is another Specialist Games release.
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Post by: Kirasu
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I'll take Bloodbowl, Necromunda, random lizard creatures and Lord of the Rings over more space marines of various colours.
I imagine you wouldn't be saying that if you were actually invested in their half a decade effort to finish the Horus Heresy... then stopping abruptly without finishing. After all, the HH models supplied FW with massive amounts of cash (much like all space marines do) in order to pronounce random models.
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Post by: Overread
Sumpkroc!!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/15/forge-world-preview-the-sumpkroc/
Which I hope means that the feline pets will also be released sometime very soon as they were shown around the same time as each other in the previews months ago
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Ta, see that looks really good.
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Post by: ceorron
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I'll take Bloodbowl, Necromunda, random lizard creatures and Lord of the Rings over more space marines of various colours.
Well thats good news because it looks like Forgeworld are also doing those.
I'm not into any of that or the SM land speeder as it is.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Did FW fire all the decent painters? The teeth alone are cringeworthy.
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Post by: JWBS
I wonder why they use a pure white background for painted minis. Sky blue fade has been the general default for decades.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
C'mon man, don't be that guy. Nothing wrong with it IMO.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
It's horrid. The only excuse I can come up with is that it wasn't finished when they photographed it and the artist intended to add a sepia wash in places or something.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
I would point you to the Necromunda news thread where the estimable Major Tom did a very comprehensive, yet succinct and accurate breakdown of everything that is wrong with it.
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Post by: micropanzer
i ned 3 in my life.
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Post by: Theophony
sockwithaticket wrote:
I would point you to the Necromunda news thread where the estimable Major Tom did a very comprehensive, yet succinct and accurate breakdown of everything that is wrong with it.
I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.
Still the model is not top notch in my opinion though.
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Post by: Azreal13
Theophony wrote: sockwithaticket wrote:
I would point you to the Necromunda news thread where the estimable Major Tom did a very comprehensive, yet succinct and accurate breakdown of everything that is wrong with it.
I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.
Still the model is not top notch in my opinion though.
Look, I'm all for not ever letting Tom forget that, but it has absolutely no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. Plus this isn't the first time people have seen a new FW sculpt, gone "urgh" and then seen naked resin and subsequently decided no that's ok after all. Which is the complete opposite of what studio paint jobs are supposed to achieve. Studio painting should make poor sculpts look decent and have people clamouring to buy the good ones.
I have no great ego when it comes to my painting, I'm better than some and worse than many, but I'm convinced I could have done better on the sumpcroc, and that's about as strong a criticism as I can offer.
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Post by: insaniak
Theophony wrote:
I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.
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As were quite a few of us. I'm puzzled as to what bearing that has on his qualifications to critique paintwork, though...
The model is fantastic. The paint job... Not so much.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The reason I asked Tom is because he is such a good painter... and he was denigrating my fav technical paint.
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Post by: nerdfest09
I think it's a sneaky sneaky ploy! they show us a mini that is painted questionably to fuel an argument hopefully enticing people like myself to buy it as an experiment to see how I can make it look! ..... Well played
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Post by: Theophony
insaniak wrote: Theophony wrote:
I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.
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As were quite a few of us. I'm puzzled as to what bearing that has on his qualifications to critique paintwork, though...
The model is fantastic. The paint job... Not so much.
I didn’t go to the other thread to read Major Toms post, but I was replying to the previous post where sockwithaticket basically said it sucks because Major Tom said so. My response was Major Tom is not always right. While it’s not a great painted figure, it’s still better than my standard. If GW/Forgeworld are going to put that quality out there, then that’s their prerogative. Maybe they don’t want it to sell well so they don’t have to spend lots of labor making them (stupid idea), or maybe it got moved up in the cue for release and they needed a quick turn around on the paint job and they couldn’t find a can of spray paint. They are doing fantastic as a company, but every time they do anything the critics pop up and say how they could do so much better.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Theophony wrote: insaniak wrote: Theophony wrote:
I love MajorTom and his skills are off the chart, but he was also positive that the leaked pictures of the primaris marines were absolutely conversions and not anything else.
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As were quite a few of us. I'm puzzled as to what bearing that has on his qualifications to critique paintwork, though...
The model is fantastic. The paint job... Not so much.
I didn’t go to the other thread to read Major Toms post, but I was replying to the previous post where sockwithaticket basically said it sucks because Major Tom said so. My response was Major Tom is not always right. While it’s not a great painted figure, it’s still better than my standard. If GW/Forgeworld are going to put that quality out there, then that’s their prerogative. Maybe they don’t want it to sell well so they don’t have to spend lots of labor making them (stupid idea), or maybe it got moved up in the cue for release and they needed a quick turn around on the paint job and they couldn’t find a can of spray paint. They are doing fantastic as a company, but every time they do anything the critics pop up and say how they could do so much better.
While it being MT lends the critique an increased measure of credibility, I was primarily pointing you to it because, as stated, it was a comprehensive and yet succinct assessment of issues with the paint job ( imo, obviously; in fact I'd be harsher than he was). Since you didn't seem to accept someone having an issue with it, I thought I'd point you towards a good representation of why someone wouldn't think it was fine.
If the critique had been written by another poster, but similar in quality I still would've recommended it.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Any guesses how big this croc is? Do the plastic Necro bases come in 40mm yet, or is that a 32mm it's on?
- Salvage
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Post by: BrookM
Vorgaroth the Scarred & Skalok the Skull Host of Khorne - €465,-
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Post by: Overread
It's a beauty and I really hope the designer is now working on another dragon (only because that dragon has too many khorne skulls and stuff to fit into an Order army)
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Post by: ImAGeek
I much preferred the original rider to the one it ended up with.
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Post by: Rayvon
Now thats more like it !
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Post by: ceorron
Now that's an impressive dragon. Really!!!
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Post by: Racerguy180
Forgeworld is directed towards veteran hobby player, so I would think they wouldn't necessarily have the best paint jobs(more tabletop std than golden demon) published. It's probably to give those vets a good starting point to go "nuts" with the model.
I purposely bought the Salamanders relic contemptor just so I can paint it better than their studio pics.
The paint job on that sump croc is just horrendous.
Khornate dragon looks badass .
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Post by: Dryaktylus
So that's how female dragons look like.
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Post by: Spectral Ceramite
The dragon looks good, the rider...
The rider doesn't look baddass to me looks more like someone you see and think, " For the 'special needs' he has had to over come, I am super impressed with how far he has progressed, awesome work keep it up mate  ".
For $870 AU I would never buy this (or any model tbh), so I am not in the market bracket they are aiming for anyway. But the dragon looks good, apart from that left arm and the thing that goes up to the rider, looks like went overboard on blobs of greenstuff and forgot to sculpt it and thought "f*** it throw some skulls in there".
EDIT:
I could make a lot worse jokes like the 70's movie deliverance orientated etc, but I choose to restrain myself.
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Post by: zahnib
ImAGeek wrote:I much preferred the original rider to the one it ended up with.
What/who was the original rider?
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Post by: StarFyre
There is an error on the fw page description. It implies skalok is the rider. But the PDF rules sheet it's clear skalok is the dragon.
Regards
Sanjay
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Post by: mortar_crew
The rider is ugly, what were they thinking?!
The first one from the preview war far better.
Anyway, another Khorne release that I do not find that
interesting, but it is just my opinion.
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Post by: CragHack
I actually like the new rider more. While they both look like they've been sitting on that dragon for some time, new one looks more scarred, mutated and twisted and grimdark.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Wonder why they changed it?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
To make it fit more with the aesthetic of the current Khorne characters.
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Post by: EirĂkr
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/22/forge-world-preview-the-legio-mortis-transfer-sheet/
Legio Mortis transfer sheet for Adeptus Titanicus.
We'll see these available for purchase soon and the rest of the common Legios... never?
Just having some flashbacks to the Vyronii transfers.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Did they have to stop selling the full size legio transfers so they could shrink them down?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
H.B.M.C. wrote:To make it fit more with the aesthetic of the current Khorne characters.
Maybe, still looks like the Deathbringer though, the one with the bunny ears.
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Post by: Galas
H.B.M.C. wrote:To make it fit more with the aesthetic of the current Khorne characters.
But the old one was very similar with a ton of new AoS-only Khorne Characters.
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Post by: tneva82
MajorWesJanson wrote:Did they have to stop selling the full size legio transfers so they could shrink them down?
Well market is probably bigger in scale most people can afford and where one sees action
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Post by: Elbows
Hell, for the price they could have easily provided 3-4 rider options.
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Post by: nerdfest09
It's weird how they get so far into a model enough to actually show us the progress, like with that original rider and everyone (generally) likes the aesthetic or sculpt and then 'BOOM From outta nowhere!' a different less appealing model. They did the same thing a while back with Ereubus from the Word Bearers, the preview bare head was simply brilliant and then the release made him look like Freddy Krueger's grandfather got smashed in the face with a hot frypan.
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Post by: Rolsheen
Honestly can't stand the rider or the dragon, how hard would be to have the armour separate on the tail they've done it on the claws.
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Post by: Elbows
I'd skip the whole $600 thing and look at the wonderful and cheap reaper line of dragons, lol.
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Post by: zedmeister
Necron construct today with a variety of options:
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Just going over the rules now.
It's pretty nippy, for a Necron!
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Post by: tneva82
Okay so guns are pretty good. 5++ inv nice. It has improved movement over infantry and swarms compared to knights and YES for the imaginary base thing. Clears up how it works compared to vault where I got into weird arqument how it works
Albeit on flip side can't hit infantry on ruin 2nd floor millimeters away from the claw.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I like it. Definitely favour the Synaptic Obliterators, if only because my own Necron list doesn't have a great deal of anti-tank oomph in it.
625 points doesn't seem massively unreasonable to me. Not for T8, 28 Wounds, 3+, Living Metal and a 5+ Inv.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Am I missing something or are the Transdimensional Projectors a significant downgrade over the default weapons? Never mind, you swap the default weapons for the AT guns and projectors. Not either or.
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Post by: tneva82
H.B.M.C. wrote:Am I missing something or are the Transdimensional Projectors a significant downgrade over the default weapons?
You get 2d3 16/-4/6 and 2d6 S6 -3 d3(with mortal wound chance) over 6d3 S8 -3 d6 with MW's. So maybe worse vs big lone models(haven't mathed it yet) but # of shots at least nearly doubles. And S16 matters a lot vs T8(knights) and flat D6 is pretty good as well
edit:Ah you noticed it
edit: Vs knights: default loadout makes 9.33 wounds plus mortals(from average 4 hits). Secondary causes 10,96+mortals from average 4.66 hits. So vs knights the default weapon is actually worse. Albeit less on/off with result due to more shots with the big gun
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Post by: Rinion
At least Crons also have the 1CP strat for top profile regardless of wounds, and i didnt notice it essentially has Fly rather than the usal IK rule!
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Post by: Ratius
On paper that thing looks like a wrecking machine.
Good shooting, good movement, good hand to hand options, good wounds + inv save and not hyper priced like some other super heavies.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
The paint job kinda makes it look like it's made out of MDF.
It's very cool, though. Nice to see something 40k and xenos.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I really like the model. I didn’t realise it was quite so long, I thought it was more compact but I prefer it the way it is. I probably won’t get one for a while if I do at all but I’d like to pick it up one day.
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Post by: Overread
I really like it!
Love that the model is far longer too, makes it feel more balanced in design. It will be ages before I get one though (AoS has kind of dominated me this last half a year and I've committed myself to finishing my Daughters of Khaine army before flitting back to any other "major" army project)
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Post by: xttz
Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.
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Post by: tneva82
xttz wrote:Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.
Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better
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Post by: Ishagu
Excellent model and the rules are also good. It's fairly costed!
Necrons have a Strat to keep it operating at max output for only 1CP.
The second weapon option is definitely better as you get powerful main weapons and a set of good support weapons. Also it's fast and damn good in close combat!
Good job FW!
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Post by: Zingraff
Regarding the Carnodon tank released some weeks ago, I've been playing with the idea of getting the squadron bundle for my IG army.
What's your opinion of the Carnodon tank?
I'm not sure I would equip mine with Volkite weapons, as I suspect Volkites might be removed in later editions of 40k (or made inconvenient or over costed), but I've always felt my army was missing light/medium tanks, and Carnodons fill that role.
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Post by: Irbis
tneva82 wrote: xttz wrote:Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.
Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better
Please, please tell me this was a joke. Or that you didn't touch any of their books in the last decade or so...
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Post by: gorgon
He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*
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Post by: Ishagu
Zingraff wrote:Regarding the Carnodon tank released some weeks ago, I've been playing with the idea of getting the squadron bundle for my IG army.
What's your opinion of the Carnodon tank?
I'm not sure I would equip mine with Volkite weapons, as I suspect Volkites might be removed in later editions of 40k (or made inconvenient or over costed), but I've always felt my army was missing light/medium tanks, and Carnodons fill that role.
I like the Carnodon. It's best with either full lascannons and the Cadian regiment for efficient long range support or to go max Volkite and a Multi laser for lots of Str6 firepower.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Ishagu wrote:Excellent model and the rules are also good. It's fairly costed!
Necrons have a Strat to keep it operating at max output for only 1CP.
The second weapon option is definitely better as you get powerful main weapons and a set of good support weapons. Also it's fast and damn good in close combat!
Good job FW!
Yeah, not sure I understand the pricing. I mean, one weapons option is clearly better than the other, so why are they same price?
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Post by: Irbis
tneva82 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Am I missing something or are the Transdimensional Projectors a significant downgrade over the default weapons?
You get 2d3 16/-4/6 and 2d6 S6 -3 d3(with mortal wound chance) over 6d3 S8 -3 d6 with MW's. So maybe worse vs big lone models(haven't mathed it yet) but # of shots at least nearly doubles. And S16 matters a lot vs T8(knights) and flat D6 is pretty good as well
Um, maybe I don't get something, but 2d3 = 4, 2d6 = 7, so 11. 6d3 = 12, which last time I checked is not half of 11. I suppose big guns get extra range but potential damage output is much worse, 24 (+14 if you're within 24 inches and roll really lucky) is less than ~42 wounds, both on average rolls, and that is without counting mortals which again favors singularity more...
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
tneva82 wrote: xttz wrote:Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.
Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better
8th ed titan rules are a horrible mess.
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Post by: Yodhrin
gorgon wrote:
He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*
He really isn't, FW's 40K rules aren't any worse than GW's and at times have been better, their AoD tweaks are definitely better, and the issues with the 8th indexes are hardly their fault given GW sprang 8th on them and they had to rush them out.
I get that some people got touched in the bad place by a cheesemonger using an unbalanced FW unit when they were a kid, but if you're playing GW games generally singling out FW for particular criticism over rules writing is sheer farce. I mean christ people, GW's rules writing was so bad it helped to kill the game that launched their whole company.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Yodhrin wrote: gorgon wrote:
He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*
He really isn't, FW's 40K rules aren't any worse than GW's and at times have been better, their AoD tweaks are definitely better, and the issues with the 8th indexes are hardly their fault given GW sprang 8th on them and they had to rush them out.
I get that some people got touched in the bad place by a cheesemonger using an unbalanced FW unit when they were a kid, but if you're playing GW games generally singling out FW for particular criticism over rules writing is sheer farce. I mean christ people, GW's rules writing was so bad it helped to kill the game that launched their whole company.
It killed 40k? news to me (sarcasm, but only partly). And how could GW have "sprung" 8th edition on FW when they're the same company? FW would have known about it as soon as the decision was made to produce 8th.
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Post by: Ice_can
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Yodhrin wrote: gorgon wrote:
He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*
He really isn't, FW's 40K rules aren't any worse than GW's and at times have been better, their AoD tweaks are definitely better, and the issues with the 8th indexes are hardly their fault given GW sprang 8th on them and they had to rush them out.
I get that some people got touched in the bad place by a cheesemonger using an unbalanced FW unit when they were a kid, but if you're playing GW games generally singling out FW for particular criticism over rules writing is sheer farce. I mean christ people, GW's rules writing was so bad it helped to kill the game that launched their whole company.
It killed 40k? news to me (sarcasm, but only partly). And how could GW have "sprung" 8th edition on FW when they're the same company? FW would have known about it as soon as the decision was made to produce 8th.
No GW is compartmentalized like crazy to make identifying leakers easier.
FW weren't told about 8th edition, they have made public statements to the effect that FW found about 8th edition when the players did.
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Post by: Crimson
Ice_can wrote:
FW weren't told about 8th edition, they have made public statements to the effect that FW found about 8th edition when the players did.
No they didn't!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ice_can wrote:No GW is compartmentalized like crazy to make identifying leakers easier.
FW weren't told about 8th edition, they have made public statements to the effect that FW found about 8th edition when the players did.
That's ludicrous.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I’ve been to HQ, on the staff side.
Twaddle.
Spesh as we got the FW Indecies really quickly....
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Post by: Galas
How can't they know about 8th edition when they are literally working in the same building?
How can anybody believe that?
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Yodhrin wrote: gorgon wrote:
He's the only one ever who's ever thought that. *shrug*
He really isn't, FW's 40K rules aren't any worse than GW's and at times have been better, their AoD tweaks are definitely better, and the issues with the 8th indexes are hardly their fault given GW sprang 8th on them and they had to rush them out.
I get that some people got touched in the bad place by a cheesemonger using an unbalanced FW unit when they were a kid, but if you're playing GW games generally singling out FW for particular criticism over rules writing is sheer farce. I mean christ people, GW's rules writing was so bad it helped to kill the game that launched their whole company.
It killed 40k? news to me (sarcasm, but only partly). And how could GW have "sprung" 8th edition on FW when they're the same company? FW would have known about it as soon as the decision was made to produce 8th.
Pretty sure Warhammer Fantasy predates 40k.
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Post by: Galas
He was being sarcastic, as is, W40K was what made GW as big as they are now, even if Fantasy was there first.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Galas wrote:How can't they know about 8th edition when they are literally working in the same building?
How can anybody believe that?
Well, they do and they don’t. Last time I was staff (2010) Forgeworld were on the ground floor, left of reception. The Studio was first floor, right of reception.
FW were happy for us to walk in whenevs. Studio, polar opposite.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I’ve been to HQ, on the staff side.
Twaddle.
Spesh as we got the FW Indecies really quickly....
I've spoken to people who've also been to HQ on the staff side, and by their accounts it's not twaddle at all. All the different subdivisions are kept separate, keycards everywhere, left hand doesn't even know the right hand exists.
And the fact we got the indices really quickly is exactly the point - they were gak because GW told FW about 8th so late they had to rush them out the door. Or are we forgetting Fires already, where FW spent ages working on a supplement for 7th and ended up having to scrap the whole thing because they'd almost finished it by the time they found out 8th was coming.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:-snip-
It killed 40k? news to me (sarcasm, but only partly). And how could GW have "sprung" 8th edition on FW when they're the same company? FW would have known about it as soon as the decision was made to produce 8th.
You're kidding aye? I mean, surely if you're going to make snarky remarks you'd make sure you knew WHF was around for years before 40K and was the system around which GW developed from a retailer of other people's stuff into the style of company that exists today.
And as above - they're "the same company", but GW are paranoid nutters - less GWHQ, more GCHQ. The FW team get told about 40K stuff shortly before it's ready to go. The Specialist Games guys weren't even told Shadow War and the Sector Mechanicus terrain were being developed while they were busy working on Necromunda. People can scoff all they like, but eventually they could maybe provide an alternative explanation for why non-Studio teams keep presenting every appearance of being completely blindsided by what the Studio guys are doing.
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Post by: Overread
Galas wrote:How can't they know about 8th edition when they are literally working in the same building?
How can anybody believe that?
Very easily - if the internal structure is highly compartmentalized. GW treats leaks and such quite seriously - they are very keen to control their marketing. Plus I think that they are more than aware of how damaging info being released too early can be.
Just look at Spartan Games for a good example of where info released too early is bad. They hinted at ships and factions and things long before they were firm releases. When they then never mentioned them again they lost faith from the market; when those dates got slipped and such it further harmed their image. Heck just look at the marketing explosion when one half of a sprue is leaked (the recent Fiend of Slaanesh). Now we know that's coming and we knew it was coming, but imagine if some of those early design phase photos or such got out - models that are years off or which are only ever concepts could be leaked everywhere.
Also even in smaller teams its possible that work schedules and layout can mean that you never end up in the other half of the site even if you're only a handfull of paces from it. I've worked in a few places where there's a big divide on staff; a good example is indoor/customer staff and outdoor/practical staff. Even though they are working on the same site, you can go months without actually spending any time in the "other half" of the site or such, even if you're only a few paces from each other. You come in and get on with your work in your niche.
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Post by: Kirasu
tneva82 wrote: xttz wrote:Interesting they put a little diagram on the datasheet showing how to treat it's base even if it doesn't have one. Wonder if this will become a thing going forward.
Could be with fw models. Fw generally does rules better
Welcome to an opinion held by a single person... you.
FW is a disaster in 8th.
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Post by: Legiocustodes
Hooooray! My girlfriend just preordered me the Necron Walker for my birthday! Can’t wait to get that bad boy painted up
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Post by: Lord Damocles
It's odd that the description(s) of the Seraptek talk about it controlling other canoptek constructs, but it's rules... don't.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Legiocustodes wrote:Hooooray! My girlfriend just preordered me the Necron Walker for my birthday! Can’t wait to get that bad boy painted up
Yes.
Hello.
Is that the Nerd Police? It is? Excellent.
Yes. I’d like to report a Nerd with a girlfriend. And she buys him expensive Resin Crack.
What’s that? He’s looking at 25 to life? Sounds fair.
Oh? Erm....my name? It’s....J.R. Hartley.
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Post by: Overread
Lord Damocles wrote:It's odd that the description(s) of the Seraptek talk about it controlling other canoptek constructs, but it's rules... don't.
Yeah, however a lot of models have lore and fluff that never makes it into the rules, though it is odd they pointed it out on the web page. Would have thought it meant it used to have some kind of aura or buff for other canoptek's that was later dropped.
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Post by: Legiocustodes
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Legiocustodes wrote:Hooooray! My girlfriend just preordered me the Necron Walker for my birthday! Can’t wait to get that bad boy painted up
Yes.
Hello.
Is that the Nerd Police? It is? Excellent.
Yes. I’d like to report a Nerd with a girlfriend. And she buys him expensive Resin Crack.
What’s that? He’s looking at 25 to life? Sounds fair.
Oh? Erm....my name? It’s....J.R. Hartley.
JR Hartley.... showing your age there; fanatastic fly fishing book!!
To be fair she only buys me these things to get me out of her for days at a time!
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Post by: Knockagh
Anyone heard anything about the next Heresy black book release?
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Post by: Dudeface
Knockagh wrote:Anyone heard anything about the next Heresy black book release?
Or fires.... or talons of the emperor.... or any publication with new 40k content.
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Post by: gorgon
If I had to guess, I'd say that Malevolence (the next black book) will be released at the weekender in February.
The original estimate was end of 2018, but you can always add 3-6 months to FW estimates. And besides, why release something in December or January when you can make a splash and show of it at your big event in February?
I thought Talons would be 2018, but who knows? I don't know that Fires is even currently being worked on, so I wouldn't get my hopes up about that one.
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Post by: Dudeface
gorgon wrote:If I had to guess, I'd say that Malevolence (the next black book) will be released at the weekender in February.
The original estimate was end of 2018, but you can always add 3-6 months to FW estimates. And besides, why release something in December or January when you can make a splash and show of it at your big event in February?
I thought Talons would be 2018, but who knows? I don't know that Fires is even currently being worked on, so I wouldn't get my hopes up about that one.
Talons was last previewed about the same time as the sumpcrock and the new necron walker were first shown, so logic would dictate it should be this year and soon.
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Post by: Rolsheen
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Legiocustodes wrote:Hooooray! My girlfriend just preordered me the Necron Walker for my birthday! Can’t wait to get that bad boy painted up
Yes.
Hello.
Is that the Nerd Police? It is? Excellent.
Yes. I’d like to report a Nerd with a girlfriend. And she buys him expensive Resin Crack.
What’s that? He’s looking at 25 to life? Sounds fair.
Oh? Erm....my name? It’s....J.R. Hartley.
What's next Beattie and her ology? Nicole and Papa? Popping over for a Gold Blend
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Post by: Azreal13
Don't mind Grotsnik, he was affected by the Millenium Bug and his references haven't updated since 1999.
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Post by: Knockagh
gorgon wrote:If I had to guess, I'd say that Malevolence (the next black book) will be released at the weekender in February.
The original estimate was end of 2018, but you can always add 3-6 months to FW estimates. And besides, why release something in December or January when you can make a splash and show of it at your big event in February?
I thought Talons would be 2018, but who knows? I don't know that Fires is even currently being worked on, so I wouldn't get my hopes up about that one.
I would say they make a pretty good Christmas gift though. I only really do one FW order per year at Christmas, so I can get past the unjustifiable shipping with a large order.
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Post by: Legiocustodes
Hahahahaha
Out of her way!!!! Out of her way!!
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Post by: Kurgash
Really love this model. Now that's the firepower I expect from Necrons.
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Post by: tneva82
Anybody can shed some light on how credible this is? Or is this 3rd party companys version? Feel it's fake but.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
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Post by: tneva82
Ok. Well hopefully officil one tops that
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Post by: Rolsheen
Yeah. For some reason he's got a giant paw print on his chest
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Post by: TrueCadian
tneva82 wrote:Anybody can shed some light on how credible this is? Or is this 3rd party companys version? Feel it's fake but.
nice model but the pistol does look like a mad nerf gun.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
I really want the legit FW one 'descending in fiery wrath' like the judgment of God.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
I'll suggest that the only thing that it will be 'descending in fiery wrath' on is your wallet.
My prediction is the office FW one will be half as good as some of the many non- GW sculpts and cost four to eight times as much, due to the incredible cost of hiring someone no one's never heard of and adding actual Emperor sneezes to the resin. Automatically Appended Next Post: Um.....
I'm not even sure what to say other than... a lot of greenstuff appears to be needed...
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Post by: angel of death 007
BaronIveagh wrote:
I'll suggest that the only thing that it will be 'descending in fiery wrath' on is your wallet.
My prediction is the office FW one will be half as good as some of the many non- GW sculpts and cost four to eight times as much, due to the incredible cost of hiring someone no one's never heard of and adding actual Emperor sneezes to the resin.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Um.....
I'm not even sure what to say other than... a lot of greenstuff appears to be needed...
Yes by the look of that poor guy you won't need to add green paint. And people say the chinese ripoffs are bad quality. inspector #5 should stand in line at the unemployment line now.
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Post by: Padre
BaronIveagh wrote:
I'll suggest that the only thing that it will be 'descending in fiery wrath' on is your wallet.
QFT.
As an Australian, this comment got me right in the feels.
Also, can I just mention that Kabuki do an amazing Sanguinius?
Never would have mentioned that once, but any loyalty I ever had to FW has died...
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Wow....FW released two things this week......
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Post by: gilljoy
Has there been any news on when the next imperial armour book will be out? I'd like some rules for custodes in 40k.
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Post by: CragHack
So, they just announced their weekender...2nd-3rd February. Tickets on sale this Saturday.
Though it would be a great idea to visit them. For ~400sh euros that's a huege NOPE. Man, I'm so jealous to those who live in UK :(
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Post by: Looky Likey
CragHack wrote:So, they just announced their weekender...2nd-3rd February. Tickets on sale this Saturday.
Though it would be a great idea to visit them. For ~400sh euros that's a huege NOPE. Man, I'm so jealous to those who live in UK :(
Its about that just for the hotel with food, so its not much cheaper if you can save on the flight cost. The ticket was ÂŁ75 last year. The hotel is about ÂŁ125 a night in advance including breakfast and its worth getting there the night before if you can. As the hotel is now further out from anywhere you'll either need a decent drive to get food or pay for the hotel. A reasonable starting budget for just one night, ticket, and food at the hotel is going to be ÂŁ250, rising to ÂŁ400 for the two nights.
If I can get a ticket I'm driving each day to save money, the new hotel is closer to where I live and without the draw of a night out in Nottingham I just can't be  with the extra cost of the hotel.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Look of the Landspeeders is growing on me.
The price just appears to be growing.
I don't mind paying ÂŁ50 for a nice kit, but not when it barely registers in the points department!
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Post by: Erren
Really excited to see these kits. The Land Speeders will be great for my Ravenwing lists, and I’ve been wanting a model for Lord Arkos the Faithless, too.
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Post by: Sacredroach
I remember tracking those speeders down when they first released. Used way too much superglue on them, but they looked great to me. I suppose I’ll need to get two or three next year after tax season.
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Post by: changemod
Where are the rules for these stripped down speeders?
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Post by: zedmeister
They're just Land Speeders. No other rules needed.
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Post by: changemod
That seems unlikely, all the other variant land speeders have rules.
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Post by: Haighus
changemod wrote:
That seems unlikely, all the other variant land speeders have rules.
These aren't meant to be a variant with a slightly different role though, but are a pattern that was extant during the Great Crusade. They are broadly the same size, and equipped the same, as the plastic Speeder. The Javelin and DA speeders are larger, with heavier weapons.
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Post by: zedmeister
changemod wrote:That seems unlikely, all the other variant land speeders have rules.
These are just a different (or original) pattern of the standard Land Speeder. No new rules needed. At stretch you could argue that an extension of the original rules is needed to cover the weapon options but, for example, this is meant to be used as a standard Land Speeder in the Legion list.
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Post by: deviantduck
This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.
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Post by: Mysterio
deviantduck wrote: This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.
I suppose that might have been funny...about 2 weeks ago?
Anyway, welcome to today - aren't those retro Land Speeders (with no additional and/or new rules) cool?
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Mysterio wrote: deviantduck wrote: This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.
I suppose that might have been funny...about 2 weeks ago?
Anyway, welcome to today - aren't those retro Land Speeders (with no additional and/or new rules) cool?
Why do they need new rules? Their load outs (as shown) are exactly the same as the regular Landspeeders of 30k.
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Post by: jojo_monkey_boy
These localized prices are so bad. The land speeder is 12% more expensive in Canadian dollars than it is via its GBP price converted at the current exchange rate.
What a joke.
-edit- I just noticed, the original two pack praetor set is 68 CAD and then the new alpha legion praetors are 89 CAD combined. Jeez.
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Post by: Mysterio
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Mysterio wrote: deviantduck wrote: This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.
I suppose that might have been funny...about 2 weeks ago?
Anyway, welcome to today - aren't those retro Land Speeders (with no additional and/or new rules) cool?
Why do they need new rules? Their load outs (as shown) are exactly the same as the regular Landspeeders of 30k.
Exactly?
And...that was my point?
I didn't say they needed them?
And....er...whatever?
Anyway, yes, I do like the retro Land Speeders - no additional rules needed - or expected!
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Post by: ph34r
I continue to not care about things FW releases, continued RIP renegades and heretics.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Mysterio wrote: VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Mysterio wrote: deviantduck wrote: This implies you're sometimes in her for days at a time. No wonder she buys you shiny things.
I suppose that might have been funny...about 2 weeks ago?
Anyway, welcome to today - aren't those retro Land Speeders (with no additional and/or new rules) cool?
Why do they need new rules? Their load outs (as shown) are exactly the same as the regular Landspeeders of 30k.
Exactly?
And...that was my point?
I didn't say they needed them?
And....er...whatever?
Anyway, yes, I do like the retro Land Speeders - no additional rules needed - or expected!
Well you know how context can be. I took you to be someone complaining that they didnt have any rules, and all you said was that they have no rules, with no real point to be seen.
I have to disagree though, I do not like the retro Land Speeders, I can see why others might.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I don't mind paying ÂŁ50 for a nice kit, but not when it barely registers in the points department!
You only have to pay ÂŁ50?
Must be nice.
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Post by: JWBS
I bought a Kytan the other day for ÂŁ50. Was indeed very nice. Free postage too!
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Post by: Ouze
I skimmed this thread and didn't see this (sorry if I missed it): Does anyone know about how big the Seraptek is?
To be honest the only thing keeping me from ordering it is knowing if it will fit in my cabinet or not.
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Post by: void stalker
i have my built to have a rough foot print of 300mmx350mm and is roughly 175mm tall
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Post by: mortar_crew
ph34r wrote:I continue to not care about things FW releases, continued RIP renegades and heretics.
Same here.
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Post by: LightKing
So do we know when the next primarch model is coming... Dorn was last in february, its been a while
how many primarchs are left?
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Post by: hotsauceman1
3. Khan, Lion, Sanquinious.
With the rule models have to come out a year of the book, we are going to wait for a bit
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Post by: ImAGeek
LightKing wrote:So do we know when the next primarch model is coming... Dorn was last in february, its been a while
how many primarchs are left?
Alpharius has come out since Dorn.
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Post by: Jadenim
Given that renegade guardsmen are showing up in Blackstone Fortress, I wonder if FW discontinued their R&H models because they know that GW replacements are on the way (and not just in BSF?!)
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Post by: ph34r
Jadenim wrote:
Given that renegade guardsmen are showing up in Blackstone Fortress, I wonder if FW discontinued their R&H models because they know that GW replacements are on the way (and not just in BSF?!)
Within the next couple years, could happen. They certainly aren't going to rush it.
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Post by: ImAGeek
ph34r wrote: Jadenim wrote:
Given that renegade guardsmen are showing up in Blackstone Fortress, I wonder if FW discontinued their R&H models because they know that GW replacements are on the way (and not just in BSF?!)
Within the next couple years, could happen. They certainly aren't going to rush it.
We don’t know how much work they’ve done on them already (if they are coming).
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Post by: Rayvon
Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.
That titan does look lovely as do the knights, I like the scenery also but its a bit pricey for me, I prefer to make my own.
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Post by: Ouze
void stalker wrote:i have my built to have a rough foot print of 300mmx350mm and is roughly 175mm tall
Thanks!
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Post by: Mysterio
Rayvon wrote:Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.
Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.
Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?
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Post by: nerdfest09
Do the new GW style buildings fit on the FW gaming board city tiles still?
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Post by: zedmeister
nerdfest09 wrote:Do the new GW style buildings fit on the FW gaming board city tiles still?
I've done a look for this and it appears they generally do fit. Here's an image I've dug up - search for @heresy_era on Instagram for more:
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Post by: Overread
Mysterio wrote: Rayvon wrote:Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.
Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.
Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?
It's the same as how they've released several new models in duel army battle games. Eg the new Wrath and Rapture boxed set for Khorne and Slaanesh (which isn't as bad as most as both can be used in the same army if you want at least); or the Necron Vs AdMech.
It seems GW currently favours expensive boxed sets and then later smaller releases. Heck they've done the same with Orks and Speed Freaks.
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Post by: Rayvon
Mysterio wrote: Rayvon wrote:Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.
Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.
Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?
Aye they will come eventually when they have milked those willing to buy a new titan just for the weapons, not totally unexpected but it put me off, I was going to collect a maniple just for the models, now im just going to sell my GM sets and buy one warlord and get it painted just for display when the good looking weapons are out.
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Post by: tneva82
Overread wrote: Mysterio wrote: Rayvon wrote:Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.
Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.
Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?
It's the same as how they've released several new models in duel army battle games. Eg the new Wrath and Rapture boxed set for Khorne and Slaanesh (which isn't as bad as most as both can be used in the same army if you want at least); or the Necron Vs AdMech.
It seems GW currently favours expensive boxed sets and then later smaller releases. Heck they've done the same with Orks and Speed Freaks.
Well that's the HOPE. There's no quarantee that's actually the plan though
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Post by: SeanDrake
Rayvon wrote: Mysterio wrote: Rayvon wrote:Was a bit gutted to see that the titan weapons are coming in a complete titan kit and no weapons sprues are planned as yet.
Yeah, that is ridiculous - but I have to think that they've *eventually* release the weapons separately.
Too much of a crap move for New GW otherwise, isn't it?
Aye they will come eventually when they have milked those willing to buy a new titan just for the weapons, not totally unexpected but it put me off, I was going to collect a maniple just for the models, now im just going to sell my GM sets and buy one warlord and get it painted just for display when the good looking weapons are out.
There has been an official response saying no weapon pack will be made available on its own. Then when people pointed out that weapon packs had been mentioned Andy Horae pooped up on FB saying he was careful at no point to say weapon packs would be available seperately despite them being mentioned multiple times. So they have planned this since before launch but did not have the balls to say so despite knowing all along that the weapon packs were going to be ÂŁ90 with a free warlord.
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Post by: Rayvon
SeanDrake wrote:
There has been an official response saying no weapon pack will be made available on its own. Then when people pointed out that weapon packs had been mentioned Andy Horae pooped up on FB saying he was careful at no point to say weapon packs would be available seperately despite them being mentioned multiple times. So they have planned this since before launch but did not have the balls to say so despite knowing all along that the weapon packs were going to be ÂŁ90 with a free warlord.
Is Andy the chap doing FW messages on FB ?
I have not seen him say that weapons packs will not be coming at all ever, only that there are no plans as yet, care to link where it was said ?
I really need to make my mind up what im doing, I have over ÂŁ500 quids worth of stuff sat here and im not sure I still want it.
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Post by: SeanDrake
Rayvon wrote:SeanDrake wrote:
There has been an official response saying no weapon pack will be made available on its own. Then when people pointed out that weapon packs had been mentioned Andy Horae pooped up on FB saying he was careful at no point to say weapon packs would be available seperately despite them being mentioned multiple times. So they have planned this since before launch but did not have the balls to say so despite knowing all along that the weapon packs were going to be ÂŁ90 with a free warlord.
Is Andy the chap doing FW messages on FB ?
I have not seen him say that weapons packs will not be coming at all ever, only that there are no plans as yet, care to link where it was said ?
I really need to make my mind up what im doing, I have over ÂŁ500 quids worth of stuff sat here and im not sure I still want it.
Andy is the head of specialist games or some such and he stepped in the people started getting pissed.
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Post by: Mysterio
Can you link to the 'official' response saying 'no separate weapon packs ever' please?
Thanks!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
I too would be interested in knowing where this confirmation came from. If you can't provide a link, at least say where it's meant to have come from? If you can?
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Post by: scottmmmm
It seems that common sense has prevailed.
The response on our Forge World Facebook page has been immense, with thousands of you expressing your excitement, and many of you asking whether you’ll be able to get the new weapon options separately.
Well, we’ve heard your voices and, having incanted the litanies of swift delivery, we can confirm the weapon frame from the new Warlord Battle Titan with Plasma Annihilator and Power Claw will be made available separately early in the new year.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Hallelujah, it's about time these made an appearance.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Not to beat the long mummified remnants of a dead horse, but ye gads, look at the unpainted versions of those faces compared to what the guy has done to them.
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Post by: Galas
Yodhrin wrote:Not to beat the long mummified remnants of a dead horse, but ye gads, look at the unpainted versions of those faces compared to what the guy has done to them.
They should have painted them with a different hair colour of something, they look totally "Not-Aragorns" with that paintjob.
And also, yeah.
Mutated asiatic aragorn without eyebrowns:
vs
Stoic knight of the West
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Post by: drazz
Is this the best FW paint job in years?
Even forgetting the work on the faces, that's better quality than I've seen in some time from them.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Got to give the guy his due however. The face is godawful, but the horse is fantastic.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Way better than sewer croc.
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Post by: Bob Lorgar
They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to.
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Post by: beast_gts
Bob Lorgar wrote:They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to. Nope - the Mori Quake Cannon is an arm weapon for a Warlord (and there isn't a model for it yet). The Warbringer Nemesis is smaller & more heavily armoured than a Warlord ("Sitting between the Warlord and Reaver in size"), and it has Reaver arms.
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Post by: Bob Lorgar
beast_gts wrote:Bob Lorgar wrote:They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to.
Nope - the Mori Quake Cannon is an arm weapon for a Warlord (and there isn't a model for it yet). The Warbringer Nemesis is smaller & more heavily armoured than a Warlord ("Sitting between the Warlord and Reaver in size"), and it has Reaver arms.
Funny, the warlord pictured here http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/hootibix/Epic/WIPLegioMetalicaWarlord.jpg has got one mounted on his left arm, this one has one on his right arm https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0261/52/1374505027768.jpg , and here's a picture with a warlord with a quake cannon on both carapace mounts. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4qvrWDNuvi3GJ95HSBtaL7-cv9TaKT9KQ3ZOgIJ-A4tWRuHS9 .
I'm pretty damn positive you could mount 4 of them if you really felt like it. So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.
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Post by: Mysterio
I think the beast was talking about 'now', and not 'long ago' as would be the timeframe for the titan models you've linked to there.
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Post by: beast_gts
Mysterio wrote:I think the beast was talking about 'now', and not 'long ago' as would be the timeframe for the titan models you've linked to there.
Yes - in the current 30k & 40k (& AT) rules, the Quake Cannon is an arm only weapon. Sorry for any confusion.
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Post by: tneva82
Bob Lorgar wrote:I'm pretty damn positive you could mount 4 of them if you really felt like it. So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.
It's not the weapon but the fact it's intermediate version for the hull. For carapace it allows other weapons like bellicosa volcano cannon as well.
It's basically cross between reaver and warlord so more like upgunned and uparmoured reaver without going all the way to the warlord level. Allows access to warlord level weapons on cheaper and possibly faster mount.
Though it's possible the quake cannon this mounts has some additional rules for artirelly use. Indirect fire ability? That could be neat.
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Post by: Padre
When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon.
On an Inferno cannon...maybe?
But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece?
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Post by: Peregrine
Bob Lorgar wrote:So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.
Probably because "quake cannon" is a general term for a class of weapons, and this is a particularly impressive one. I mean, as much as I love IG, I don't think the quake cannon mounted on a Baneblade-class tank is the same as the one on a Warlord titan.
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Post by: JohnnyHell
They used to be, same as Volcano Cannons and Vulcan Mega Bolters on other stuff in Epic. Then they made up new ones to make Titans in 40K stronger. Just add “Ridculosa Pattern” to the front and double the S value, in typical FW fashion.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
It's been that way since the very beginning, IIRC. I'll need to go back to my 1st edition Space Marine reference sheets to confirm, but anyway; the weapons mounted on titans in 1st edition Adeptus Titanicus were called the same names as those weapons used by infantry and vehicles (the plastic titan weapon that went on to be called the Gatling Blaster, and the metal one that became the Vulcan Mega-bolter were autocannon, for example), but had different stats as they were clearly bigger. All three Imperial titan classes used them though, the difference being the rating (a Warhound would have a 1- or 2-shot autocannon, a Warlord could have up to four shots).
Then in 2nd edition Epic, the weapons were renamed and the metal Reaver/Warhound weapons split out to become lighter weapons (Warlords could still use them, but why bother since you didn't pay additional points for weapons, and most players didn't use the plastic Warlord weapons on Reavers because the model came with metal ones in the box). Then in 3rd edition Epic 40,000 the Warlord was tweaked a little more by mounting the lighter weapons on the carapace, which has become the norm ever since.
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Post by: zedmeister
Padre wrote:When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon. On an Inferno cannon...maybe? But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece? Perhaps to ignite the shell? Maybe set off some sort of additional booster? In Epic 2nd, the Quake Cannon was one of the few non-barrage weapons that could take out buildings. They were pretty lethal with a (if I recall correctly) 150cm range, 3+ to hit and a -4 save. Most buildings had a 7+ (or maybe 5+) save on 2d6 so it'd make quite a mess of one (as well as the occupants).
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Post by: Tavis75
Was quite suprised to see that the Warmonger is coming before Christmas, was expecting it to be released at the HH Weekender at the earliest!
Wonder when it will actually go on sale, thinking maybe pre-order on the 7th for release on the 14th, as if it goes later than that then delivery is going to fall right over the Christmas holiday period, which just seems like a recipe for annoying people with delayed deliveries etc. Plus I imagine a lot of people would be quite pleased to get it in time to start work on it over the Christmas holidays.
Were there any hints at the price? I'm guessing the body with cannon is likely to be around the price of the Warlord body (if not slightly more) as the Titan itself doesn't look that much smaller than the Warlord, but then it will work out a bit cheaper overall as you'll only need the two Reaver class weapons.
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Post by: Apologist
Padre wrote:
When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon.
On an Inferno cannon...maybe?
But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece?
I imagine it's a nod to the original Quake Cannon design, which had a similar structure. You can see it here on the upper left, just to the right of the banner pole:
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
<headcanon>the quake cannon is an electromagnetic cannon and that bit is to neutralise the charged projectile as it leaves the barrel, to avoid uncontrolled electrical arcing</headcanon>
The multimelta (fourth from left, bottom) has something similar, and that's just as unexplained.
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Post by: Padre
Hmmm, re the "igniter"...good points, gents (and ladies, if applicable).
I think the Epic homage does make sense, actually...may have to see what it looks like "in the flesh", so to speak...
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Post by: tneva82
Tavis75 wrote:Were there any hints at the price? I'm guessing the body with cannon is likely to be around the price of the Warlord body (if not slightly more) as the Titan itself doesn't look that much smaller than the Warlord, but then it will work out a bit cheaper overall as you'll only need the two Reaver class weapons.
It's stated to be in between class so should be bigger than reaver, smaller than warlord. Thus I would expect somewhat cheaper than warlord.
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Post by: Valkyrie
I love the Nemesis model, may strongly consider getting one depending on the price and wherever you can buy it in individual parts such as arms, weapons etc.
My only reservation however, is that I'm betting the rules will be pretty crap. FW will simply give it Reaver weapons, 2x Quad Long-Barrel Autocannons and the Quake Cannon will be exactly the same as the standard Warlord one. Personally I'd give it an AoE effect, such as "Nominate a point on the battlefield within range. Any unit within 6" of the point is hit by the cannon." with the cannon stats remaining the same as the Quake Cannon but with the ability to actually hit more than one unit at a time.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
It is the same weapon as the one on the Warlord, though; no need for it to be somehow better just because it's on a smaller unit.
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Post by: Tavis75
Valkyrie wrote:I love the Nemesis model, may strongly consider getting one depending on the price and wherever you can buy it in individual parts such as arms, weapons etc.
The arms are definitely seperate as they're just the Reaver ones and the Community website has stated that there will be a choice of 4 weapons arms available at launch, which is the three existing Reaver ones (Gatling Blaster, Turbo-laser and Melta) plus the new re-designed Reaver Volcano Cannon (I'm assuming it can't mount a Reaver Power fist as that wasn't mentioned, and probably wouldn't be that sensible an option anyway considering the titans role).
Don't know if the head and main weapon will be seperate, hoping the head will be as I'm not 100% keen on the current head but suspect that the main weapon will be part of the body as it looks to me like if they were to release other weapons then other parts of the body would be redesigned, i.e. if they did a volcano cannon version then the large counterweights at the back of the body would be replaced by power cells or something (unless things like that have also been designed as part of the weapon kit).
I'm also considering getting one to add to my pile of incomplete titan parts as I really like the design (apart from the head).
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Post by: Valkyrie
It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".
Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.
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Post by: Tavis75
Valkyrie wrote:It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".
Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.
Hopefully the carapace weapons will be coming soon, as I believe FW stated that the versions for AT were created at 28mm scale and then scaled down for AT (though admittedly all we've seen for the Reaver so far are the Apocalypse Launcher and Turbo-laser), and looks like the new Reaver Volcano cannon has come from the one designed for the new AT Reaver.
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Post by: zedmeister
Tavis75 wrote: Valkyrie wrote:It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".
Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.
Hopefully the carapace weapons will be coming soon, as I believe FW stated that the versions for AT were created at 28mm scale and then scaled down for AT (though admittedly all we've seen for the Reaver so far are the Apocalypse Launcher and Turbo-laser), and looks like the new Reaver Volcano cannon has come from the one designed for the new AT Reaver.
Good spot. Looks like there is a new Reaver Volcano Cannon coming:
Old:
New:
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Post by: Tavis75
Yep, initially spotted it on the preview of the new Reaver sprue, definitely a worthwhile upgrade as the old version is a bit dull looking (and pretty different in style to the Warlord version).
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Tavis75 wrote: Valkyrie wrote:It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".
Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.
Hopefully the carapace weapons will be coming soon, as I believe FW stated that the versions for AT were created at 28mm scale and then scaled down for AT (though admittedly all we've seen for the Reaver so far are the Apocalypse Launcher and Turbo-laser), and looks like the new Reaver Volcano cannon has come from the one designed for the new AT Reaver.
During the designer's review in the run up to AT's release, they did explain that their software has a debigulator button. Seems they used this on the Warlord CAD before tidying up. Reaver and Warhound however had to be entered from scratch, not having previously had CAD files.
So whether the AT carapace weapons were sculpted in that scale, or 28mm, the can still be resizographed or debigulated to suit the other
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Post by: Rayvon
tneva82 wrote:Tavis75 wrote:Were there any hints at the price? I'm guessing the body with cannon is likely to be around the price of the Warlord body (if not slightly more) as the Titan itself doesn't look that much smaller than the Warlord, but then it will work out a bit cheaper overall as you'll only need the two Reaver class weapons.
It's stated to be in between class so should be bigger than reaver, smaller than warlord. Thus I would expect somewhat cheaper than warlord.
Its got that big gun on top though so that might bump the price up to warlord level.
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Post by: Crimson
Galas wrote:
Mutated asiatic aragorn without eyebrowns:
vs
Stoic knight of the West
Why?
They need to stop this painter from painting faces; I bet it is the same person who destroyed the face of that Escher character. Sure, it is painted in far finer detail than I ever could, yet it is utterly horrible and mutates the sculpt beyond recognition.
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Post by: Tavis75
Warbringer Nemesis (and the new Vocano cannon for the Reaver\Warbringer) are up for pre-order, the head and the quake cannon are seperate, so looks like there will be options in the future (glad about that, not keen on the current head) and the head comes with the shields the same as the Warlord. The anti-aircraft turrets come with the body though, so guess they wont get variants.
ÂŁ980 in total, so a bit cheaper than the Warlord overall as expected.
Body ÂŁ690
Quake Cannon ÂŁ100
Arm weapons ÂŁ65 each
Head ÂŁ60
Will be interested to see the other weapons for the top, hoping for a Sunfury Plasma Cannon or the Warlord gatling weapon, as I reckon they would both look pretty cool on top but also imagine a Volcano cannon is most likely at first.
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Post by: Fireball
Blood Angels Praetors as well as dreadnoughts are available for preorder too ...
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Post by: Looky Likey
Rules for 30k and 40k for the Warbringer
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Post by: BrookM
And another pair of Consuls:
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Post by: Chopstick
So what's the different between Reaver and "Battle Titan" Melta and Gatling Blaster arm that give them a 4$ increase in price?
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Post by: Fireball
well, that one consul finally gives me everything I need to make AL Exodus ...
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Post by: Coolyo294
It looks like they've changed the Vigilator model slightly. I remember when they previewed on the community site ages ago it had a different, much goofier looking face. It might've been the way it was painted though.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Chopstick wrote:So what's the different between Reaver and "Battle Titan" Melta and Gatling Blaster arm that give them a 4$ increase in price?
They have remodeled some of the guns entirely, some just have the "arm" fixing point changed to support the new Warbringer:
Brand new Volcano Cannon:
Melta Cannon with different arm:
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Post by: Tavis75
Chopstick wrote:So what's the different between Reaver and "Battle Titan" Melta and Gatling Blaster arm that give them a 4$ increase in price?
I would assume full colour instructions and a box, and just inflation.
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Looky Likey wrote:Chopstick wrote:So what's the different between Reaver and "Battle Titan" Melta and Gatling Blaster arm that give them a 4$ increase in price?
They have remodeled some of the guns entirely, some just have the "arm" fixing point changed to support the new Warbringer:
I'd spotted the new Volcano cannon as that's completely different, hadn't noticed there were differences on the others though. For instance, the armour plating on the Melta Cannon is more detailed on the new version.
The attachment point for the pipes that run from the body to the guns has changed as well, they now appear to be on top of the weapon, whereas before they were on the side and you had to build the weapon either left or right handed, now it looks like you may be able to build the weapons so they can be magnetised and will fit on either side. Wonder how that will work for the pipes that come with the Reaver though, as they are designed to go into the side and come moulded into roughly the right shape to support this.
Suprisingly though, the AT version of the Reaver still has the side mounted cables, I assumed these new versions of these weapons would be based on the ones created for AT.
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Post by: robbienw
That's an incredible release from FW this morning, like the old days with several releases in one go!
The consuls are a must have, and the BA stuff is great.
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Post by: cuda1179
Valkyrie wrote:It certainly looks a lot bigger than one that would be mounted on a Warlord arm. I think it's more that I hope FW puts a bit of imagination into the rules, make it a bit more unique than "Reaver with a Quake Cannon".
Something which has also occurred to me; I've been waiting over 7 years for carapace weapons for my Reaver, yet instead they've designed a whole new titan. Hell, they even sell a compatible Turbo Laser turret but you need to buy a whole RoB tile for it. Wouldn't even be too hard to make it compatible with all carapace weapons; just keep the housing and add the barrels for Plasma, Inferno or Vulcan.
Last month I came across an ebay auction (from Korea) that had a FW Turbo Laser carapace turret for sale. They must really like that RoB tile without the weapon, for they seemed to have several copies of it for sale. They still have one available as of right now.
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Post by: Tavis75
cuda1179 wrote:Last month I came across an ebay auction (from Korea) that had a FW Turbo Laser carapace turret for sale. They must really like that RoB tile without the weapon, for they seemed to have several copies of it for sale. They still have one available as of right now.
That must be it, I can see no other way that someone in Korea could end up with multiple copies of that turret
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Post by: Looky Likey
Tavis75 wrote:
I'd spotted the new Volcano cannon as that's completely different, hadn't noticed there were differences on the others though. For instance, the armour plating on the Melta Cannon is more detailed on the new version.
The majority of the melta is the same, its that one panel near the arm joint that has more detail. Mine is a Chaos one but the insides are the same:
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Post by: Rolsheen
On the Reaver, does that upper arm piece that holds the weapon come with the body or with the weapons?
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Post by: Tavis75
Rolsheen wrote:On the Reaver, does that upper arm piece that holds the weapon come with the body or with the weapons?
I'm pretty sure it came with the Reaver, and in fact, unless it's changed since I got my reaver, the upper arm part that connects the weapon to the shoulder is actually one piece, not in two halves like the image of the volcano cannon suggests, so I think the image of the old Volcano cannon is just poorly shaded and misleading.
Although looking at the FW website it certainly makes it look like the upper arm piece comes with the weapon (and that would make the weapons consistent with the power fist which has a different upper arm piece), so not sure what is going on now as it looks like the new weapons don't include that piece, but the website states they work with the Reaver. Unless they've change it, but that would seem to be a nightmare from the point of dealing with old stock or for people wanting to add extra weapons to an old Reaver.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Rolsheen wrote:On the Reaver, does that upper arm piece that holds the weapon come with the body or with the weapons?
The arms come with the weapons, as they can be different arms depending on the weapon. For example the powerfist/powerclaw is very different. My Reaver power claw is for the same side as the melta:
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Post by: Fireball
robbienw wrote:That's an incredible release from FW this morning, like the old days with several releases in one go!
The consuls are a must have, and the BA stuff is great.
I agree ... but that should be it for some time now regarding HH releases ... everything that was previewed over the last months is now released, is it not?
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Post by: Rolsheen
Looky Likey wrote: Rolsheen wrote:On the Reaver, does that upper arm piece that holds the weapon come with the body or with the weapons?
The arms come with the weapons, as they can be different arms depending on the weapon. For example the powerfist/powerclaw is very different. My Reaver power claw is for the same side as the melta:
Thanks, I wonder if there going to change it now because it comes with the new Titans body and doesn't show it on the weapon photos
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Man, more than a single release in a week. Impressive.
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Post by: robbienw
Fireball wrote:robbienw wrote:That's an incredible release from FW this morning, like the old days with several releases in one go!
The consuls are a must have, and the BA stuff is great.
I agree ... but that should be it for some time now regarding HH releases ... everything that was previewed over the last months is now released, is it not?
Pretty much. There is still the big missile rack and the atomantic pavaise for the Deredo to come out. But the pavaise has been previewed originally about a year and a half ago so perhaps it will never arrive
They are probably saving the next HH stuff for around the HH weekender time, the Malevolence book and the BA special units and special characters which we know are coming but haven't seen models for yet.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Rolsheen wrote:
Thanks, I wonder if there going to change it now because it comes with the new Titans body and doesn't show it on the weapon photos
That would be weird as you'd be getting a whole bunch of arms with the body you are potentially never going to use. I would suspect the price increase for the new versions of the Reaver weapons are because it now includes two arms, one for the Reaver and one for the Warbringer, so you are paying slightly more for that "benefit". And also a lot of Titan owners like me own multiple weapons for each side, so I'd need way more arms than they'd include with the body, rather than getting exactly the right number of arms if they were included with the weapons.
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Post by: whalemusic360
The regional price difference on this new Titan is pretty nuts. 980gbp, which comes to $1250 usd. Or if I order from FW US, $1515 usd. It would be cheaper to have someone mail it to me from across the pond.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
There are those willing to help you out there
Sadly, not within the purview of the Loot Group itself (we've got various GW managers in the group, and we'd rather avoid treading on toes, given they've shown us a lot of goodwill with bulk ordering).
But certain members (like, I dunno....me) would be happy to sort that for you. Wouldn't even need you to send the money to me. I just give you my address, you get it shipped to me, and then we sort postage once I know the weight and dimension. Easy peasy, lemon squeezey. (I would of course make a cursory check of the contents before posting on, just to make sure they're all present, correct and not bashed up).
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Post by: whalemusic360
Not in the intimidate future for me, but will def keep it in mind!
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
The 40k rules seem much cleaned up from the index rules for titans. Maybe we will see the other patterns rereleased with the new wordings?
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Post by: Formosa
New from forge world
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Post by: Valkyrie
Honestly can't say I'm impressed with the Nemesis rules. It's just as I predicted; 2x Reaver weapons, 2x Quadguns that can only shoot things with Fly, and a standard Warlord Quake Cannon by the looks of it.
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Post by: Erren
Really like that new 30k infantry. I don’t plan on getting any Mechanicum, but I might get that Praevian anyways.
I miss old FW pricing, though.
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Post by: Quasistellar
Sigh, that praevian just makes me wonder why they don't make any 40k Iron Hands characters or units :(
Vigilus isn't that far from Medusa. . . yet we got Space Wolves already (which to be fair are also nearby)
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
"Dave? Dave! Come look at this new watch I got! It's got the Emperor's face on and everything!"
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Post by: tneva82
Valkyrie wrote:Honestly can't say I'm impressed with the Nemesis rules. It's just as I predicted; 2x Reaver weapons, 2x Quadguns that can only shoot things with Fly, and a standard Warlord Quake Cannon by the looks of it.
Indirect quake cannon.
But what did you expect? It's class between them designed to have warlord class weapons in smaller and thus cheaper platform.
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
I love that Power Claw the Contemptor has. Shame I want mine to have Chainfists as otherwise I'd be buying that arm by itself.
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Post by: Brutus_Apex
That Blood Angels stuff looks fantastic.
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Post by: Haighus
I spent awhile looking at the autoloader on the back of the Nemesis titan. Really cool model. It appears to have two hoppers, each with a loading boom that extracts rounds, before swivelling up to feed them into the revolver chambers.
I imagine other guns will come with their own ammunition supplies relevant to the weapon, like giant plasma canisters for the Sunfury, or huge capacitors for the Volcano cannon.
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Post by: changemod
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I love that Power Claw the Contemptor has. Shame I want mine to have Chainfists as otherwise I'd be buying that arm by itself.
Generally people run the claws as chainfists and the fists as power fists because the claws have no rules and the official chainfists look awful.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
The rules don't include the nipple guns?
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Post by: Haighus
It does- those are the Ardex-defensor Mauler bolt cannons. The third one is on the back, in the lumbar region above the hips.
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
changemod wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I love that Power Claw the Contemptor has. Shame I want mine to have Chainfists as otherwise I'd be buying that arm by itself.
Generally people run the claws as chainfists and the fists as power fists because the claws have no rules and the official chainfists look awful.
Honestly I think the Chainfists are so awful and crude that it's...almost charming in its own way.
That said I hadn't thought it was a great Counts As, but if everyone else is doing it...
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Post by: BaronIveagh
I think my Guard is showing, I looked at the separately sold quake cannon and immediately began planning a Leviathan.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
The quake cannon is sold separately, but do the ammo hoppers on the back come with the body or the gun?
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Post by: Peregrine
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I love that Power Claw the Contemptor has. Shame I want mine to have Chainfists as otherwise I'd be buying that arm by itself.
It's just the regular claw arm.
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Post by: Tavis75
MajorWesJanson wrote:The quake cannon is sold separately, but do the ammo hoppers on the back come with the body or the gun?
That's a good point, I just thought they were counterweights with some kind of mechanism to move them as the gun fires, but they do look more like ammo hoppers now that I look at them again. However the images on the FW website suggest that they come with the titan body rather than the gun, so that would seem a bit strange if we get different guns in the future as they'd then be redundant. As someone else mentioned, it would make more sense if the other guns came with appropriate replacements, plasma cells, batteries etc. Unless of course they change the whole body for the different guns, but then why sell the macro cannon separately?
Will hopefully get a better idea next weekend when mine (hopefully) turns up.
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Post by: Tavis75
Watching a YouTube video last night with someone who had chatted to Will Hayes at the open day and they confirmed that those are ammo hoppers on the back of the body, so that seems a bit of an issue if the images on the FW website are accurate and they do come with the body rather than the gun. Hopefully the images are wrong, or if not, if they do release other carapace weapons that they at least come with replacements for the ammo hoppers.
There was also a mention of alternative weapons for the Anti-air mounts, but again as those come with the body then it would seem to be a case of having to replace the originals.
Maybe they'll modify what comes with the kit in the future but that would seem a slightly odd way to do it and maybe shows a lack of communication between the designer and the people deciding how to sell stuff. Also makes it a little more awkward for future-proofing with magnetization etc. as it will be less clear exactly which parts will be part of which item.
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
Peregrine wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I love that Power Claw the Contemptor has. Shame I want mine to have Chainfists as otherwise I'd be buying that arm by itself.
It's just the regular claw arm.
I legit didn't even know it was an option until now. It's just one of those items I missed I guess.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
The other weapon options are energy weapons, so it'll be simple enough to sculpt additional parts that go over the ammo hoppers to convert them into power cells.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hmm... if the gun is sold separately and not a complete part of this nutritious breakfast, does that imply possible expansions for other things that might go on top?
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Post by: Overread
Yes, however it could also be that its just how the FW website is designed at the back end when it comes to selling big titans. Ergo they might or might not release another back gun, but even if they don't its still an "extra" ontop of the core body chassis.
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Post by: tneva82
H.B.M.C. wrote:Hmm... if the gun is sold separately and not a complete part of this nutritious breakfast, does that imply possible expansions for other things that might go on top?
Yes. Volcano cannon is mentioned as example. (specifically the warlord scaled one rather than reaver scaled one)
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I'm hoping for a Support Missile.
Those are always a laff.
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Post by: tneva82
That would be unlikely. New titan is cross between reaver and warlord with warlord grade weapons on carapace. Support missile is at least currently reaver weapon. Warlord might have had support missile long time ago but not ATM. So I would be looking more of what weapons warlords carry now to see possibilities. Obvious ones being sunfury plasma and bellicosa volcano cannon plus possibility macro gatling blaster.
That missile would need to be whole new type of missile which for some reason reaver cannot carry.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
There's bound to be people who want a titan but can't really afford the whole thing so buy it in bits
and once they've bought one bit they're committed to getting the rest as they've got money invested
so selling the gun by itself helps GW (eventually) sell the titan to go with it
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