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Who would buy WEAPON first? I could see buying body without weapon but weapon without body seems...waste. Can't even use it for anything unlike body.
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Post by: ThirstySpaceMan
I see a Psi Titan upgrade in the future. They used to have a mini in AT. Even mentioned in last ed. BrB.
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Post by: Haighus
I think the psy-titan is a Warlord variant. It has rules in one of the FW HH books. Is called a Warlord-Sinestra or something. Automatically Appended Next Post: tneva82 wrote:That would be unlikely. New titan is cross between reaver and warlord with warlord grade weapons on carapace. Support missile is at least currently reaver weapon. Warlord might have had support missile long time ago but not ATM. So I would be looking more of what weapons warlords carry now to see possibilities. Obvious ones being sunfury plasma and bellicosa volcano cannon plus possibility macro gatling blaster.
That missile would need to be whole new type of missile which for some reason reaver cannot carry.
To be fair, the simple option would just be extra vortex missiles. So instead of one, have a rack of two or three.
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Post by: StarFyre
do people want to take bets when they will make emperor titans? still not happy with the scale of them. the books, etc (some) indicate that titans vary in size, and at warhammer world, the siege of terra have warlords that better fit the scale of the artwork...
Sanjay
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
tneva82 wrote:That would be unlikely. New titan is cross between reaver and warlord with warlord grade weapons on carapace.
Based on what someone said at an open day. It's not in print, so they can easily change their mind if someone sculpts something cool.
That missile would need to be whole new type of missile which for some reason reaver cannot carry.
Make the Vortex missile Warlord-only. done.  They've only done stats for one missile out of the nine from the original background, so plenty of room to change something.
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Post by: Klone12
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:There's bound to be people who want a titan but can't really afford the whole thing so buy it in bits
and once they've bought one bit they're committed to getting the rest as they've got money invested
so selling the gun by itself helps GW (eventually) sell the titan to go with it
Just like in the last 3 years we saw plenty of regular gamers being able to afford krieg armies worth 7-8K £ everywhere, I don't think people who don't have the money would buy their titans at GW/ FW.
Also I don't think buying Maserati wheels and seats means you HAVE to buy the whole car now since you already invested 10%.. seems more like a waste.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 AndrewGPaul wrote:tneva82 wrote:That would be unlikely. New titan is cross between reaver and warlord with warlord grade weapons on carapace.
Based on what someone said at an open day. It's not in print, so they can easily change their mind if someone sculpts something cool.
That missile would need to be whole new type of missile which for some reason reaver cannot carry.
Make the Vortex missile Warlord-only. done. They've only done stats for one missile out of the nine from the original background, so plenty of room to change something.
Or just rack of 2-3 missiles instead of a single shot version. And instead of the ammo hoppers, give it a sensor/comm array back there.
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Post by: schoon
 Haighus wrote:I think the psy-titan is a Warlord variant. It has rules in one of the FW HH books. Is called a Warlord-Sinestra or something.
This is the way it has been represented most recently in BL books - essentially a Warlord with special weapons.
FW had said they are bringing these to AT18, so we'll see how they handle it.
I'd like to see the armor plating get some special treatment as well.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
I think the psi-titan will turn up once we start getting proper Chaos titans; give it something appropriate to fight.
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Post by: Tavis75
Having just read the HH short story about a psi-titan they could certainly be interesting in game, though would seem to need a fair few special rules to get close to the fluff.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Oh they're horrific in Heresy! Hideous things to infantry, nasty things to Big Bads. And if memory serves, self repairing to some degree? Automatically Appended Next Post: tneva82 wrote:Who would buy WEAPON first? I could see buying body without weapon but weapon without body seems...waste. Can't even use it for anything unlike body.
Scenery, my friend. Scenery.
Expensive scenery I'll grant you, but what a Weapon's Emplacement! Boom boom boom boom!
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Post by: Klone12
So that's it, I pre-ordered one.
Slightly better than a warlord for my needs and leagues ahead of a Reaver both in sculpt and rules (IMHO)
Now we wait.
Restocked more than 130 Vallejo "mecha" paints this week end, so eagearly waiting for it.
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Post by: Irbis
 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:I see a Psi Titan upgrade in the future. They used to have a mini in AT. Even mentioned in last ed. BrB.
There are two, even, official Terran Ordo Sinister fully psychic titans, and bootleg Thousand Sons aligned Zhao-Arkkad Legio with some psychic upgrades, doing which would be as simple as giving them new rules in any expansion. I am actually kinda disappointed they weren't done yet, unlike other Legios mostly cosmetic differences, Xestobiax actually has real, tangible uniqueness...
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
They sat out the Heresy, though; the contingent on Prospero was almost certainly destroyed, and the rest basically hid at home until somehow getting declared loyal after the Heresy.
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Post by: zedmeister
AndrewGPaul wrote:They sat out the Heresy, though; the contingent on Prospero was almost certainly destroyed, and the rest basically hid at home until somehow getting declared loyal after the Heresy.
I'm sure (hoping) that some other contingents were at large. I'd love to see what they do with the Black Iron Core in AT
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Post by: Irbis
Shouldn't the flamer instantly melt away that candle?
And I am puzzled how a bit that thin stays attached, I'd bet on even delicate pulling it out of mould breaking it, it's fraction of a millimeter thick resin...
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Post by: Erren
These all seem like nice specialist games releases. I do somewhat worry about what gets released over the next 6 weeks or so before the HH weekender. Maybe some Warlord upgrades? Isn’t there normally a free shipping voucher around this time of year? I find it hard to be excited by that these day with their lower threshold for free shipping. There’s still some unreleased Deredeo carapace options (missiles and atomantic pavaise I think?)
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I love how the big 'hammer' is really just a bundle of rail spikes tied together and attached to a pole.
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Post by: Dysartes
Possibly a silly question, guys and gals, but what was the last news on the Blood Bowl Troll whose render was previewed at last year's summer open day?
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Post by: Tavis75
I've done a review of the head and weapons of the Warbringer Nemesis titan here:
https://youtu.be/woSg5qTzt30
A review of the body will follow later.
One pleasant surprise was that the ammo hoppers for the quake cannon are supplied with the gun not the body like the website suggests, they even include pre-made holes for magnets so you can easily swap them out when future weapons are released.
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Post by: Irbis
Tavis75 wrote:One pleasant surprise was that the ammo hoppers for the quake cannon are supplied with the gun not the body like the website suggests, they even include pre-made holes for magnets so you can easily swap them out when future weapons are released.
So, there is one actually nice feature on the new titan and the company not only doesn't mention it, but tries their best to cover up its existence by providing completely wrong information?
Can you say "incompetence"? 
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Post by: Haighus
I love those Cawdor billhooks. I need some of those for conversions!
I have no idea what Cawdor is doing with a bunch of hedging tools in a Hive city though  they do fit aesthetically.
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Post by: warboss
Is that for a contest?
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Post by: Mymearan
Looks like a wolf with an axe for a tail riding a bigger wolf. Wolf Wolfrider... son.
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Post by: zedmeister
Malevolence beckons!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I think someone's gonna have get their legs broken...
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Post by: No wolves on Fenris
 Mymearan wrote:Looks like a wolf with an axe for a tail riding a bigger wolf. Wolf Wolfrider... son.
Hvarl Redblade with his axe held up sweeping down and heavy Bolter held forward in his right?
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Malevolence I assume? Although it looks like FW may have had a change in direction on the art front? Looking forward to seeing the proper legion list for the BA of course. But also interested to see the Demons, especially with a Wrath and Rapture box on pre order.
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Post by: jojo_monkey_boy
I really hope they don't abruptly change the art direction for malevolence. This art looks like a lot of the generic art they outsource for the rest of their projects.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I mean, FW mostly does shoop'd photos of minis, not artwork. Strange direction to suddenly take.
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Post by: Crazyterran
Maybe it’s a daemon of some kind for the new book?
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Post by: zedmeister
Here's a radical thought - it's the cover of a new Horus Heresy Calth/Prospero style box - Blood Angels V Dæmons!
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 zedmeister wrote:Here's a radical thought - it's the cover of a new Horus Heresy Calth/Prospero style box - Blood Angels V Dæmons!
Except there would be nothing really new to include for the daemon side in plastic, since wrath and rapture is coming out.
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Post by: zedmeister
 MajorWesJanson wrote: zedmeister wrote:Here's a radical thought - it's the cover of a new Horus Heresy Calth/Prospero style box - Blood Angels V Dæmons!
Except there would be nothing really new to include for the daemon side in plastic, since wrath and rapture is coming out.
Doesn't necessarily have to be all new - a bundle perhaps. The artwork has the Angels in MKIII armour.
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zedmeister wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote: zedmeister wrote:Here's a radical thought - it's the cover of a new Horus Heresy Calth/Prospero style box - Blood Angels V Dæmons!
Except there would be nothing really new to include for the daemon side in plastic, since wrath and rapture is coming out.
Doesn't necessarily have to be all new - a bundle perhaps. The artwork has the Angels in MKIII armour.
Surely in that case it'd be a plastics box and therefore not Forgeworld.
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Post by: Jadenim
That’s not a bad shout; they’ve discontinued most of the resin Mk III, so a new box set with the plastics would make sense.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
No love for Mk.II or Mk.V... 
Maybe a resin conversion kit to turn either the regular Bloodthirster or the super-overpriced Bloodthirster into Ka'Bandha?
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
 H.B.M.C. wrote:No love for Mk.II or Mk.V...
Maybe a resin conversion kit to turn either the regular Bloodthirster or the super-overpriced Bloodthirster into Ka'Bandha?
I'd be down for another Heresy box set with Mk5 Marines myself.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:No love for Mk.II or Mk.V...
Maybe a resin conversion kit to turn either the regular Bloodthirster or the super-overpriced Bloodthirster into Ka'Bandha?
I'd be down for another Heresy box set with Mk5 Marines myself.
same here
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
I like the style for the axe, but that's a pretty mediocre paint job, and, other than a decently nice pose, not a very impressive model. I feel like most of the wolf stuff isn't incorporated very well in the armor.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Yeah, no idea what is going on with that. The overuse of ‘fix it’ filters on the photo isn’t helping any either.
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Post by: hobojebus
Gonna be honest the model i converted looks better, could just be that fething awful paintjob though.
Please do not circumvent the language filter
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Post by: Eiríkr
Helmut Wulf... are they even trying any more?
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Post by: beast_gts
He was one of the original Star Players back in the 80's
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Post by: Eiríkr
It was a comment on the paint job dude, and maybe also that chainsword...
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Those ganger heads are fantastic, though. Some serious Chaos cultist conversion fodder there.
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Post by: beast_gts
 Eiríkr wrote:
It was a comment on the paint job dude, and maybe also that chainsword...
Ah, OK - the chainsaw does look a bit rough. Karla von Kill was sculpted by Tom Hugues and painted by Borja Garcia (according to FB) - not sure about Helmut.
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Post by: Original Timmy
Some more great paint jobs from them, they could have used a decent cast of the chainsaw theres a massive mold slip on it :/ also if they are production mins, the minis and some heads have plenty of 3d print lines left on!
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Post by: beast_gts
 angelofvengeance wrote:Those ganger heads are fantastic, though. Some serious Chaos cultist conversion fodder there.
I'm looking at Cawdor for Genestealer Cultists.
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Post by: The Phazer
Huh, there's a second set of Goliaths? Cool, I hope we get some more of the rest too (moar hoods for Cawdor!). Juves next please...
Agree that's not an especially flattering model of Helmut, and the chainsaw looks pretty bad. I guess you could replace it with an Ork chainsword pretty easily but you shouldn't really have to. Karla is nice though.
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Post by: mortar_crew
Well the Escher set is pretty weak in my opinion,
most of the heads are... meh.
The idea was great, the sculpt execution... not so.
The other sets are way better, even if I am not a fan of the
new cawdor design as a whole.
Head sets are a great concept, I hope they will keep
making sets for other plastic kits.
Any chances we get a (smiling) deamonette heads set ?
(just dreaming...)
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Genestealer Cult heads/weapons work really well with the Cawdor bodies. I've seen a few examples on Facebook. It looks really natural.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
That Helmut model is awful. Most of the heads are really cool, but the Escher ones are pretty underwhelming.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 sockwithaticket wrote:That Helmut model is awful. Most of the heads are really cool, but the Escher ones are pretty underwhelming.
The Helmut model is fine, the paint job is awful.
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Post by: endtransmission
H.B.M.C. wrote:Genestealer Cult heads/weapons work really well with the Cawdor bodies. I've seen a few examples on Facebook. It looks really natural.
I'm using a lot of Cawdor and Orlock bodies in my cult and the hybrid heads work really well on both. Next up are conversions with the other gangs to see how they fare
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Post by: hotsauceman1
So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
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Post by: Crimson
 hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
Yep. That's definitely excellent.
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Post by: kestral
The Helmut model is brilliant. The Paint, not so much. This gives me confidence that A) there will continue to be interesting, "gritty" models from forgeworld like overweight dudes with chainsaws, and B) I could paint for them if really wanted to.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
 ImAGeek wrote: sockwithaticket wrote:That Helmut model is awful. Most of the heads are really cool, but the Escher ones are pretty underwhelming.
The Helmut model is fine, the paint job is awful.
Can't agree, the chainsaw in particular is dreadful, the hair is weirdly sculpted with very little detail and the whole thing is aesthetically at odds with most of the BB releases I've seen so far. It looks like a mediocre 3rd party effort.
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Post by: ImAGeek
hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
The HH special heads are still available. It was the torsos they dropped.
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Post by: Red_Five
ImAGeek wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
The HH special heads are still available. It was the torsos they dropped.
And the torsos were always kind of a weird addition. I can totally see them for HQ choices or Sergeants but most basic troopers have their bolters firmly planted in front of their torsos.
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Post by: Barzam
I love those masked Goliath heads! I actually really like most of the Escher ones, too. The Van Saar and the Orlocks on the other hand seem a bit disappointing to me.
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Post by: Irbis
Van Saar set is garbage. Not only really similar to plastics, I like how all the heads are male even though 2 out of 10 minis are female. Really? Instead of giving us a few girls to replace the token ugly bald head the plastic kit had (especially seeing their excuse 'they are all balding anyway' is gone with almost all of the set sporting hair...) they double down on the same-same?
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Post by: beast_gts
 Irbis wrote:Van Saar set is garbage. Not only really similar to plastics, I like how all the heads are male even though 2 out of 10 minis are female. Really? Instead of giving us a few girls to replace the token ugly bald head the plastic kit had (especially seeing their excuse 'they are all balding anyway' is gone with almost all of the set sporting hair...) they double down on the same-same?
There are female heads - look at the photos of the heads on the bodies.
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Post by: Clockpunk
I have to admit, Inwould have liked some van Saar heads that looked like the female hanger art in the books.
That, and Karla von Kill looks very different from her artwork. It's a good model, just... not what I was hoping for/expecting, for her.
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Post by: Danny76
beast_gts wrote: Irbis wrote:Van Saar set is garbage. Not only really similar to plastics, I like how all the heads are male even though 2 out of 10 minis are female. Really? Instead of giving us a few girls to replace the token ugly bald head the plastic kit had (especially seeing their excuse 'they are all balding anyway' is gone with almost all of the set sporting hair...) they double down on the same-same?
There are female heads - look at the photos of the heads on the bodies.
See Necromunda thread for all the specifics, was discussed there plenty on the day of reveal Automatically Appended Next Post: ImAGeek wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
The HH special heads are still available. It was the torsos they dropped.
But also, aren’t they two different teams working on them and specialist games.
Or is that not a thing anymore?
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Post by: reds8n
unpainted pics.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Yup, amazing, GW needs to fire the painter that does these paint jobs.
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Post by: hobojebus
Yeah still gonna stick with the conversion I made a year ago, it's okay but I don't feel like spending £45 on him.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
It's ironic for us ancients who remember when FW was at least 60% tank variants and superheavies for Imperial Guard. Those used to be their bread and butter. I saw so many Elysian Drop Troops armies both on the field and on online galleries, and now that entire range has disappeared, never to return. Oh well. Things change.
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
It's at least comforting to know they still have good sculptors working for them.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Red_Five wrote: ImAGeek wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
The HH special heads are still available. It was the torsos they dropped.
And the torsos were always kind of a weird addition. I can totally see them for HQ choices or Sergeants but most basic troopers have their bolters firmly planted in front of their torsos.
I used the torsos for poses where you would see most of it i.e. capt, lt, sgts, vehicle gunners/commanders. too bad they've not been available for a while. at least the heads & shoulders are still going, for how long?
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Racerguy180 wrote:Red_Five wrote: ImAGeek wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
The HH special heads are still available. It was the torsos they dropped.
And the torsos were always kind of a weird addition. I can totally see them for HQ choices or Sergeants but most basic troopers have their bolters firmly planted in front of their torsos.
I used the torsos for poses where you would see most of it i.e. capt, lt, sgts, vehicle gunners/commanders. too bad they've not been available for a while. at least the heads & shoulders are still going, for how long?
For as long as they sell sufficiently.
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Post by: Jadenim
 Agamemnon2 wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
It's ironic for us ancients who remember when FW was at least 60% tank variants and superheavies for Imperial Guard. Those used to be their bread and butter. I saw so many Elysian Drop Troops armies both on the field and on online galleries, and now that entire range has disappeared, never to return. Oh well. Things change.
I'm really hoping that they'll do a made to order for Elysians, a la the Vostroyan release. Even more hopefully with semi-sane prices?!
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Jadenim wrote: Agamemnon2 wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
It's ironic for us ancients who remember when FW was at least 60% tank variants and superheavies for Imperial Guard. Those used to be their bread and butter. I saw so many Elysian Drop Troops armies both on the field and on online galleries, and now that entire range has disappeared, never to return. Oh well. Things change.
I'm really hoping that they'll do a made to order for Elysians, a la the Vostroyan release. Even more hopefully with semi-sane prices?!
Does forge world do made to order? And they definitely won’t be semi-sane prices if so.
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Post by: BrookM
Forge World made to order.. will they do another run then just to clear out the inevitable flood of miscasts?
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Post by: Peregrine
I doubt we're going to see any repeat of the Elysians. They're just really bad kits that had low sales for a reason.
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Doesnt really do anything for me without paint either. Seriously, those weapons and that pose..
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 Peregrine wrote:I doubt we're going to see any repeat of the Elysians. They're just really bad kits that had low sales for a reason.
Because they weren't the WW 1 German regiment who got all the love instead.
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Post by: mortar_crew
Peregrine wrote:I doubt we're going to see any repeat of the Elysians. They're just really bad kits that had low sales for a reason.
I beg to differ. I always found the Elysians one of the best FW range:
lot a very dynamic figures, great looking weapons,
we even had the seated guys when the range was complete.
One can dislike their style of play, very different from regular guard,
but on the modelling side, nothing but praise on my side. And I own the whole range.
I bought another lot just before they axed them last year, and
feel sad the range is now gone, really.
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Agamemnon2 wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:So let me get this straight....they dropped the Horus heresy special heads...yet introduce necromunda special heads?
Truly FW has gone to Specialist games with a hint of 30k, and if are lucky and have been good boys and girls and wish very very hard, something for 40k
It's ironic for us ancients who remember when FW was at least 60% tank variants and superheavies for Imperial Guard. Those used to be their bread and butter. I saw so many Elysian Drop Troops armies both on the field and on online galleries, and now that entire range has disappeared, never to return. Oh well. Things change.
So true indeed. These where the days.
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Post by: Haighus
MajorWesJanson wrote: Peregrine wrote:I doubt we're going to see any repeat of the Elysians. They're just really bad kits that had low sales for a reason.
Because they weren't the WW 1 German regiment who got all the love instead.
German/French- the DKoK owe a lot of design influence to the French military in WWI too.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Krieg was the best FW kit that they have ever produced.
I can't wait for the FW Open day to see what they announce about the pretty blood boys. (Blood Angels)
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Post by: Peregrine
Elysians got plenty of love. Three IA books as a major player in the story, a whole range of kits, continuous rule updates, and even the aesthetic bits. The reason the army sucked and went OOP is that the kits are a nightmare to build. There's only so much that "love" from the manufacturer can do when trying to build the army is an exercise in frustration.
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mortar_crew wrote:I beg to differ. I always found the Elysians one of the best FW range:
lot a very dynamic figures, great looking weapons,
we even had the seated guys when the range was complete.
Strongly disagree here. Half the poses are stupid, the heads (at least without the gas masks) are awful, parts don't fit correctly, and if you want any special weapons have fun cutting out tiny handles and splicing pieces together. My DKoK are so much easier to build thanks to better kit design, and suffer from a much lower rate of " WTF is that" models.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
MajorWesJanson wrote: Peregrine wrote:I doubt we're going to see any repeat of the Elysians. They're just really bad kits that had low sales for a reason.
Because they weren't the WW 1 German regiment who got all the love instead.
They looked moe like the French. With British machineguns and German helmets (snigger).
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Post by: BrookM
Well.. get you by indeed.
Though I do like the idea of having a Valiant with an arm option from the Castellan and six missiles instead of the cannons.
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Post by: Nicorex
Those are what the options should have been in the first place.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Nicorex wrote:Those are what the options should have been in the first place.
But that's not what's in the kit, and they're not going to give you rules for something you cannot buy.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
H.B.M.C. wrote: Nicorex wrote:Those are what the options should have been in the first place.
But that's not what's in the kit, and they're not going to give you rules for something you cannot buy.
Twin gatling cannons aren't in the Warden kit either, but Chaos knights can do it in the rules.
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Post by: Darkseid
I thought FW as phasing out the small parts business when they got rid of the some HH minis and parts? 
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Post by: zedmeister
Sigmarine heads. Uninspiring. Surely they had something other than a bunch of heads...? Probably holding a lot back for the weekender...
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Post by: zamerion
The idea of making alternative heads seems to me one of the greatest successes of FW in a long time!!!
If they do for a lot of races it could be a great success.
Waiting for the genestealer cult.
It would be nice to hear about other heads in the heresy open day
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Neat. I can find lots of uses for these on top of my Stormcast
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Post by: Lord Kragan
zedmeister wrote:. Uninspiring. Surely they had something other than a bunch of heads...? Probably holding a lot back for the weekender...
Speak for yourself, this is the only release that has had me interested in since about a year.
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Post by: Overread
 Darkseid wrote:I thought FW as phasing out the small parts business when they got rid of the some HH minis and parts?
I think there's a difference when FW is supplying alternate parts for a main line marketed product and when they are making alternate parts for a game only sold through FW itself.
Also I believe GW said they were going to start experimenting with FW stock in local stores - heads might well be one small to produce item that could fit that niche really well.
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Post by: Seneca
So we have a Brightheart head but no Nihilus one? I'm disappointed.
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Post by: zamerion
Now I understand why BB undead team does not have alternative heads. I suppose they will also make for different teams.
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Post by: changemod
Dull for most, but it is in theory a solution to the issue of Liberators being the blandest models ever.
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Post by: The Phazer
Generic female heads with hair are historically something completely missing from the Citadel range, so that pack is HUGE.
I'll definitely pick up some of them.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Male heads are a giant meh and the female heads aren't great compared to the plastic female stormcast ones, but get points for adding a sorely absent option.
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Post by: Souleater
I think the more rugged look of the male SC heads will work very well for my Vanguard.
Not impressed with the female ones. The current plastic heads are better, IMO.
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Post by: the_scotsman
Those are some great looking female space maaaaaaIIIImean sigmarine heads.
Yup. Look great. Going to use those for their intended purpose for sure.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Got to say, not massively keen.
Welcome addition like, just not my bag.
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Post by: Yodhrin
I mean, people get that you don't actually have to use these on Stormcast yeah?
It's not one of the releases I suspect most of us were hoping for - I'd certainly have preferred they hurry the feth up with the N17 and AT resin releases - but most of those have very little tying them to the Sigmarines and SC heads work fine on much of the GW range.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
They're pretty nice generic human heads with a little bit of an epic crusader look, but really not that special and mostly just IMHO reflect the shift from their first, faceless iteration.
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Post by: MonkeyBallistic
 spiralingcadaver wrote:They're pretty nice generic human heads with a little bit of an epic crusader look, but really not that special and mostly just IMHO reflect the shift from their first, faceless iteration.
I preferred when they were faceless and you had no idea what was inside that armour. That was intriguing, this is dull.
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Post by: Rayvon
Nothing to get excited about for me but there are a lot of people always on the look out for more heads !
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ah look at the bright side: At least they're releasing things rather than un-releasing things. Yeah, they could stand to be a bit faster on their feet with the Newcromunda releases, but I'll take a bunch of alternate heads (for minis that mostly wear helmets... ) than wholesale removal of parts of their product line week in and week out. MajorWesJanson wrote:Twin gatling cannons aren't in the Warden kit either, but Chaos knights can do it in the rules.
*claps* Good job. You found one example from an off-shoot list that doesn't even have a book that can do something a kit can't, whereas all the other examples of Knight weapons follow the kits exactly, pretty much like everything else in the game. I mean really, did you think you'd cracked the code? Found the one chink in the armour that proves, once and for all, that no model = no rule is actually nonsense. Ha! Renegade Knights can have two gatling guns! I'm foiled! 
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ah look at the bride side: At least they're releasing things rather than un-releasing things.
Yeah, they could stand to be a bit faster on their feet with the Newcromunda releases, but I'll take a bunch of alternate heads (for minis that mostly wear helmets... ) than wholesale removal of parts of their product line week in and week out.
MajorWesJanson wrote:Twin gatling cannons aren't in the Warden kit either, but Chaos knights can do it in the rules.
*claps* Good job. You found one example from an off-shoot list that doesn't even have a book that can do something a kit can't, whereas all the other examples of Knight weapons follow the kits exactly, pretty much like everything else in the game.
I mean really, did you think you'd cracked the code? Found the one chink in the armour that proves, once and for all, that no model = no rule is actually nonsense. Ha! Renegade Knights can have two gatling guns! I'm foiled!
Yes, yes, clearly I deserve mockery for simply pointing out a counterexample in a plain statement. Obviously I have offended you, and will not bother to try to provide relevant information again.
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Post by: Irbis
I like how FW takes Necromunda kit with significant % of female bodies then releases all-male head set, while nearly all-male stormcast get all-female head set. It's like they tried the exact opposite of what actually is in the kits. I am not even sure if the entire stormcast range put together has enough female bodies to actually use up the whole head collection...
Though, I suppose making all-official female space marines just got a whole lot easier
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Plenty of women Stormcast wear the chunkier armour. There's lots of examples in the fluff of Vanguard chamber, Celestants etc being women. I know i'll be mixing and matching the heads on numerous different unit types.
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Post by: Crimson
I think making conversion bits for plastic kits is what FW should mostly do, and it is nice to see stuff for AOS too. Those heads are pretty bad sculpts though.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
 Yodhrin wrote:I mean, people get that you don't actually have to use these on Stormcast yeah?
It's not one of the releases I suspect most of us were hoping for - I'd certainly have preferred they hurry the feth up with the N17 and AT resin releases - but most of those have very little tying them to the Sigmarines and SC heads work fine on much of the GW range.
They're mediocre sculpts whatever you want thtem for. I'd like a couple of the Sequitor kit female heads for Inq28 stuff. Wouldn't touch these.
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Post by: Quasistellar
 MonkeyBallistic wrote: spiralingcadaver wrote:They're pretty nice generic human heads with a little bit of an epic crusader look, but really not that special and mostly just IMHO reflect the shift from their first, faceless iteration.
I preferred when they were faceless and you had no idea what was inside that armour. That was intriguing, this is dull.
It would have been more intriguing if the armor faces weren't so dang hideous.
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Post by: aracersss
can anyone corroborate to this img?
Edit 1: Taz'dingo mean no possible resin centaur wraithknight ... ever?
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Post by: Yodhrin
sockwithaticket wrote: Yodhrin wrote:I mean, people get that you don't actually have to use these on Stormcast yeah?
It's not one of the releases I suspect most of us were hoping for - I'd certainly have preferred they hurry the feth up with the N17 and AT resin releases - but most of those have very little tying them to the Sigmarines and SC heads work fine on much of the GW range.
They're mediocre sculpts whatever you want thtem for. I'd like a couple of the Sequitor kit female heads for Inq28 stuff. Wouldn't touch these.
Err, OK. I'm not seeing this vast gulf in quality myself, they're heads, most have distinct features and aren't grotesquely anatomically inaccurate. I can get not wanting them because they don't fit with any ideas someone might have at the present time, but it's not like we're comparing some lavish masterpiece with lumpy potato-sculpts.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
Those male heads might be useful for my Deathwatch Kill-Team. Trying my best to make every single one look more like he's actually from his chapter and not just another generic Marine wearing a pauldron.
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Post by: Hekal Xul
if you want well sculpted and better proportioned female heads don't even consider this rubbish, go to Statuesque Miniatures.
For us the pricing is a 1/3 of the FW sets and the postage is much cheaper.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Heads look fine to me. If I had any use for them I might consider them.
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Post by: griffen127
Any rumors when the 30k BA book will drop?
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Post by: ImAGeek
It’s the Horus Heresy weekender on the first weekend of February. Either it’ll be released first then, or we’ll hear about it then.
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Post by: bubber
releases for the HH Weekender:
plus:
[REDACTED BY THE INQUISITION]
Oh – and there’s one more thing. Something SO AWESOME we couldn’t fit it into the article. Something Forge World fans have been looking forward to for a very, very long time. We’ll have more on just what that is very soon…
Let us know what you’re looking forward to at the Horus Heresy Weekender on the Forge World Facebook page – and stay tuned for more news soon!
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Blangels look gorgeous.
And I'm predicting The Angel himself. Possibly Mr Emperor Lord Sir?
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Post by: Dudeface
A book for 40k would be good, probs not at a heresy weekend though.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Ooooh! Fair point!
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Post by: tneva82
New titan classes please! There's couple hinted at. Let's see them.
Imperator would certainly fit "big" ;-)
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Post by: xttz
 bubber wrote:Oh – and there’s one more thing. Something Forge World fans have been looking forward to for a very, very long time.
Proofreading on FW books?
edit: it's probably Sanguinius
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Fires? released at long last
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Post by: Haighus
I really like the chain glaive on that NL character, but the wing ears are rather chunky. Looks like a helmet sculpted in the 90's.
The BA Terminators look great, although the prototype assault cannon is a bit choady.
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Post by: CragHack
Oh – and there’s one more thing. Something SO AWESOME we couldn’t fit it into the article. Something Forge World fans have been looking forward to for a very, very long time
Deredeo Atomic Pavise?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I dunno guys. I'm starting to think that these Night Lord fellas might not be 'all in' in this Great Crusade thing.
But if Big E says they're cool, then I guess they're alright...
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Post by: Marshal Loss
Those Night Lords are absolutely awesome.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Really want the Ordinatus Aktaeus to go with my Termites. Really keen to see the rules to see how much you can fit inside one. I think I'll have to pick one up at the Weekender.
Possibles for the item to be revealed is next HH book, Fires, another Titan. I'd be disappointed if its the Angel as we all knew he was coming already.
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Post by: Durandal
Ok, all those models are really cool looking and I wish my SW got the same treatment instead of the very wonky sculpts they got.
However, I always assumed the mole would be better sculpted as bursting out of the ground, rather then on the launcher. Why would you drive your Drill 100 yards from where you want it to emerge as a surprise?
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Post by: zedmeister
Stunning list. The Ordinatus Mole is gorgeous. Also, Atramentar sounds like they're (finally) incoming.
Please have some White Scars make an appearance...
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Post by: Eldarsif
Oh – and there’s one more thing. Something Forge World fans have been looking forward to for a very, very long time.
Either Sanguinius or a new HH box set with plastics.
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Post by: Theophony
Full sized stormeagle
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Post by: stahly
Those Blood Angels Terminator thingies have horribly wonky leg proportions and those arm gaps are weird. Look like 3rd party models (like a lot of FW infantry models lately).
Night Lords would probably look alright with an 'Eavy Metal quality paint job.
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Post by: BrookM
The redacted item is one of two books most likely. Either fires or the next HH book.
The models look neat though, the praetors in particular are awesome.
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Post by: Azreal13
The first NL looks like he's struggling to lift the chain glaive, and the dread has the cleanest and most wholesome dead body trophy in the 30th Millenium. The Bangels look like they wish they were Phoenix Termies.
The Termite and the Termie NL guy look cool though.
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Post by: Eiríkr
 stahly wrote:Those Blood Angels Terminator thingies have horribly wonky leg proportions and those arm gaps are weird. Look like 3rd party models (like a lot of FW infantry models lately).
Night Lords would probably look alright with an 'Eavy Metal quality paint job.
I though that too. The thigh section looks remarkably thin compared to the rest of the leg.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 BrookM wrote:The redacted item is one of two books most likely. Either fires or the next HH book.
The models look neat though, the praetors in particular are awesome.
Or Talons of the Emperor book.
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Post by: whalemusic360
Fires is unlikely on the HH weekender.
I'm hoping for a plastic Thunderhawk. It won't be that, but I'm hoping anyways.
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Post by: Kdash
If it -is- a book, it’s more likely to be Talons rather than Fires. Sure, Fires is wanted, but they’ve said time and time again that it’s practically at the back of the queue.
We know book 8 is coming out soon, with many expecting it to be previewed at the HH Weekender. This could be the “surprise” but, in general GW fashion, it wouldn’t be much of a surprise due to simple expectation.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I mean, "redacted by the Inquisition" is a bad term for something set in the Heresy...
I wonder if it's the ability to order stuff via in-store order points.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
BrookM wrote:The redacted item is one of two books most likely. Either fires or the next HH book.
The models look neat though, the praetors in particular are awesome.
Why on earth do you think that they'd be announcing Fires of Cyraxus, a 40k book, at a Horus Heresy event? In any case, that book's dead. They're not going to release it until it's revised to the post-Cicatrix maledictus period, and the author is now running Specialist Games.
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Post by: ImAGeek
The surprise is most likely Malevolence.
The new models are all actually pretty sweet. They’ve been a bit hit or miss lately but I’m happy with all of these.
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Post by: gorgon
Agreed...the surprise isn't going to be a 40K book at a 30K event. It's probably Malevolence, since they've been awfully quiet about it in recent months. Well, that or some oversized centerpiece model that works in either era, since they said "Forge World fans". Seems like their focus for 30K has shifted to selling larger kits and characters to existing customers rather than basic support for new 30K players (which are a relatively rare thing now).
Now, hopefully they release that Talons book after they get through Malevolence and its accompanying releases. But I'm starting to think that it's stuck in the same development hell as Fires. Months behind schedule, selected units released as experimental rules, etc...I'm afraid it looks pretty familiar.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Pretty sure Malevolence is already announced.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 gorgon wrote:Agreed...the surprise isn't going to be a 40K book at a 30K event. It's probably Malevolence, since they've been awfully quiet about it in recent months. Well, that or some oversized centerpiece model that works in either era, since they said "Forge World fans". Seems like their focus for 30K has shifted to selling larger kits and characters to existing customers rather than basic support for new 30K players (which are a relatively rare thing now).
Now, hopefully they release that Talons book after they get through Malevolence and its accompanying releases. But I'm starting to think that it's stuck in the same development hell as Fires. Months behind schedule, selected units released as experimental rules, etc...I'm afraid it looks pretty familiar.
There's another possibility...
Fires is ditched as a story item, but instead it's a sourcebook with AdMech/Mechanicum rules for 30k+ 40k.
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Post by: ImAGeek
It’s release date hasn’t been though. It could be a new Primarch model, but I’m hoping it’s Malevolence.
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Post by: gorgon
Announced as being released/available at the weekender?
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Post by: Kanluwen
gorgon wrote:
Announced as being released/available at the weekender?
No, as in "announced"--it's a thing we know is coming at some point.
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Post by: zedmeister
gorgon wrote:
Announced as being released/available at the weekender?
I have a feeling that it'll be available at the weekender. It was rumoured to have been up for proof reading prior to getting sent to the printers last August.
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Post by: Haighus
zedmeister wrote: gorgon wrote:
Announced as being released/available at the weekender?
I have a feeling that it'll be available at the weekender. It was rumoured to have been up for proof reading prior to getting sent to the printers last August.
Proof reading? FW?
New ground is being trod
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Post by: gorgon
 Kanluwen wrote: gorgon wrote:
Announced as being released/available at the weekender?
No, as in "announced"--it's a thing we know is coming at some point.
Right, which means its availability could fit the bill as a surprise and something we've been waiting for. *shrug*
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Wow, I just noticed the NL dread's decals. That's pretty embarrassing- did they even bother to varnish the model?
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Post by: gorgon
After Inferno, they have to know that a better effort is needed there. Inferno was bad even by FW proofing standards.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
spiralingcadaver wrote:Wow, I just noticed the NL dread's decals. That's pretty embarrassing- did they even bother to varnish the model?
Of late there's been a definite decrease in the quality of whoever's painting the FW minis work.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
I’ll take “AT scale resin Imperator” for ten.
What? It’s just not proper speculation if it’s not at least half outlandish wishlisting…
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Post by: warspawned
I love the Blood Angels but I'll hold on the Night Lords until I see the bare resin.
At first glance it looks like the cheeks on the power armoured praetor are too big, as well as the grenade and skull and the details on the Dreadnought look pretty 'copy and paste' in places.
I just feel some of the proportions and designs of recent Forgeworld minis have been a little off of late
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Post by: tneva82
 Mr_Rose wrote:I’ll take “ AT scale resin Imperator” for ten.
What? It’s just not proper speculation if it’s not at least half outlandish wishlisting…
Naah it will come in first at 40k scale ;-) That would be sick sized model. At roughly 4 feet it would literally be size of some humans...
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Post by: Yodhrin
Mr_Rose wrote:I’ll take “ AT scale resin Imperator” for ten.
What? It’s just not proper speculation if it’s not at least half outlandish wishlisting…
Pfff, you want outlandish wishlisting? I'll give you outlandish wishlisting - Battlefleet: Heresy. Written by a returned Andy Chambers. With plastic models all in the same scale as the originals.
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Post by: Crimson
Those BA terminators are utterly terrible. Their anatomy is super fethed up, even for Terminators. Look at those scrawny legs! Also the cloth looks really crappy, like an amateur's GS conversion work.
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Post by: Crazyterran
If they make Battlefleet Heresy and have a resin or plastic Macragges Honour...
Hngggh
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Post by: Racerguy180
I really like the NL leviathan, the corpse mounted on it tho looks a little weird. That actually makes me think of something FW should make, casualties! I think it would be badass if they made them for marines(both flavours). I know you can make your own but sometimes having something readily available would be an easy and "cheap" thing they could sell. While not discounting the ones GW used to sell, if they updated them and relaunched along with craters etc..I think they'd be a hit.
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Post by: Crazyterran
Honestly at this point they should just release a relics of the Imperium book with Custodes, Sisters of Silence, and AdMech stuff. Make a HQ for Sisters to use for the Krole model.
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Post by: Azreal13
Racerguy180 wrote:I really like the NL leviathan, the corpse mounted on it tho looks a little weird. That actually makes me think of something FW should make, casualties! I think it would be badass if they made them for marines(both flavours). I know you can make your own but sometimes having something readily available would be an easy and "cheap" thing they could sell. While not discounting the ones GW used to sell, if they updated them and relaunched along with craters etc..I think they'd be a hit.
https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/chaos/trophy-corpses/
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Post by: zedmeister
Haighus wrote:Proof reading? FW? New ground is being trod
In this case, probably some bloke is giving it a once over during his tea break. gorgon wrote:After Inferno, they have to know that a better effort is needed there. Inferno was bad even by FW proofing standards.
Inferno was the only book I know where even the pictures needed a good proof read beforehand
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
spiralingcadaver wrote:Wow, I just noticed the NL dread's decals. That's pretty embarrassing- did they even bother to varnish the model?
Probably not - why would you bother for a display piece?
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Post by: Modock
These minis are pretty terrible. The body proportions and anatomy are way off. The thighs on BA are way too thin and the shoulders are positioned
too high, above the neck level.
The paint job is really bad as well. All in all these feel very amateurish. They look like minis from the 90s.
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Post by: CragHack
Some time ago I heard someone saying that if you glue Cataphractii pads too close (or whatever), they will become way too top heavy looking.
I kinda also think their legs are a bit too scrawny.
They could’ve also had better paint job. Especially Leviathan.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Durandal wrote:However, I always assumed the mole would be better sculpted as bursting out of the ground, rather then on the launcher. Why would you drive your Drill 100 yards from where you want it to emerge as a surprise?
That's a really good point. Why would that thing ever be on the front lines?
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Post by: zedmeister
H.B.M.C. wrote:Durandal wrote:However, I always assumed the mole would be better sculpted as bursting out of the ground, rather then on the launcher. Why would you drive your Drill 100 yards from where you want it to emerge as a surprise?
That's a really good point. Why would that thing ever be on the front lines?
Even in Epic, the Termites, Mole and Hellbore transports were deployed right at the back with the tunnelers already burrowing at the start of the game. In Epic it made sense as they'd do the range finding and serve LOS purposes (particularly nasty during Assault! missions). I wouldn't be surprised if the Mole is "deployed" already underground without transport (like the Termite) and the transport is to allow it a comfortable seat on the shelf or to serve the odd scenario mission.
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Post by: Looky Likey
It would be nice if the transporter could launch the mole at something. After all when its little brother termites come up from the ground they cause melta hits, so why not when their big brother is launched as well?
The transport has a few weapons on it so its not totally useless. Other thing it could do, is remove or reduce the need to scatter that termites suffer from at present by coordinating the tunnelling.
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Post by: zedmeister
 Looky Likey wrote:The transport has a few weapons on it so its not totally useless. Other thing it could do, is remove or reduce the need to scatter that termites suffer from at present by coordinating the tunnelling.
Probably about right. This thing is glorious looking (and goes on my long term wishlist). It's the kind of the thing you build an entire army around. That and a bunch of termites popping up with hordes of Robots, Skitarii and Myrmidons would be terrifying. Or, worse, that popping up with hordes of red butchers and associated nails'd up World Eaters...
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Post by: beast_gts
H.B.M.C. wrote:Durandal wrote:However, I always assumed the mole would be better sculpted as bursting out of the ground, rather then on the launcher. Why would you drive your Drill 100 yards from where you want it to emerge as a surprise?
That's a really good point. Why would that thing ever be on the front lines?
Not every game has to be a pitched battle on the front lines. It might have been ambushed before it could deploy, or caught up in a raid at it's HQ...
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Post by: Jackal90
Wouldn't mind betting the additional item thats too good to show is sanguinius.
Been too long now and with them putting out BA stuff, it would fit.
Wanted to get back into 30k but waiting on BA.
The sanguinius model will be make or break for me.
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Post by: tneva82
H.B.M.C. wrote:Durandal wrote:However, I always assumed the mole would be better sculpted as bursting out of the ground, rather then on the launcher. Why would you drive your Drill 100 yards from where you want it to emerge as a surprise?
That's a really good point. Why would that thing ever be on the front lines?
Why would basilisk? Manticore? Generally most airplanes? For that matter titans rarely are that close to enemy either with long range duels being the name of the game. 40k ranges and what's in battles rarely make sense from logic POV
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Post by: Rayvon
Lovely releases this time around, I always liked the moles and termites, not sure I will have a use for it though.
It also looks like sanguinius is finally ready for release as well, that is what I am betting on anyway.
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Post by: TigerMafia
Hey so anyone know what this is? 
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Post by: zedmeister
Well. Good question...!?
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Post by: TigerMafia
Well so obviously it's jump pack Custodes, but I was just caught off guard. Don't know if anyone has seen it yet. Tomorrow is Friday, when FW usually reveals their new stuff. Could be this went up a little early?
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Post by: Dysartes
...it looks like it might be 30k Custodes with Jump Packs?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Erm, wow.
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Post by: zedmeister
Talk about hidden in plain sight!
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Post by: Thanatos73
I expect a WarCom article soon!
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Post by: Barzam
Hopefully those Custodians have alternate helmet heads. They need some sort of fancy winged helms.
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Post by: zedmeister
Can't blame the potato-cam this time. Somebody obviously got a bit butterfingers!
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Post by: changemod
 Barzam wrote:Hopefully those Custodians have alternate helmet heads. They need some sort of fancy winged helms.
Alternately a Brian Blessed head if you can take one as a shield captain.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Boy do I hope there's some special helmets for those guys.
Some sorta eagle helmet theme would be cool....
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Post by: Kirasu
Really cool jump pack custodes but... zero helmets? I don't understand why any soldier would go without their full body armor on, one of the most bizarre things about space marine models.
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Post by: ImAGeek
They’ve changed it back to the Dread now.
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Post by: Wayniac
30k Prosecutors, then.
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Post by: The Phazer
Oops.
Still, they're pretty cool models.
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Post by: Galas
A shame they'll be FW and not plastic... in my store FW is forbidden so my Adeptus Custodes are a sad bunch...
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Post by: Dysartes
changemod wrote: Barzam wrote:Hopefully those Custodians have alternate helmet heads. They need some sort of fancy winged helms.
Alternately a Brian Blessed head if you can take one as a shield captain.
" The Emperor's alive?!?!?"
" Onward my brave Custodes! Let this be known forever as the Emperors Day!"
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Post by: Fireball
wow ... those Custodes come out of nowhere ...
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Post by: zedmeister
FW have just confirmed that these are out tomorrow and will have 40k rules - on Facebook...
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Post by: Crimson
 Kirasu wrote:Really cool jump pack custodes but... zero helmets? I don't understand why any soldier would go without their full body armor on, one of the most bizarre things about space marine models.
Because it looks cool. This may come as a shock to you, but 40K isn't realistic.
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Post by: zedmeister
Custodian Venetari
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Post by: zamerion
tomorrow preorders
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Post by: changemod
I’m baffled as to why they weren’t event previewed then, but okay.
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Post by: zedmeister
changemod wrote:
I’m baffled as to why they weren’t event previewed then, but okay.
Suspect they've brought these forward due to the slip up earlier!
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Post by: Crimson
It is crazy how much better the Custodes look without their silly pointy hats.
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Post by: Cephalobeard
Super curious what their rules are.
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Post by: changemod
Especially their oddly small for a 40k weapon punching dagger/buckler thing.
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Post by: warboss
Well... I suppose that is the first custodian unit that I actually don't like (Valdor taking the honor of the first custodian model though!). Pass. It's a little too birdmen from that 80's Flash Gordon movie for me personally and I suspect that was the original inspiration for this. YMMV.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Yeah, same. I don't get why they apparently forgot to put half their armour on - if the Imperium can make jump packs capable of lifting the ridiculous lunks from the Primaris range, you think they'd be able to manage something for their super-duper-leet bodyguard guys.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Yodhrin wrote:Yeah, same. I don't get why they apparently forgot to put half their armour on - if the Imperium can make jump packs capable of lifting the ridiculous lunks from the Primaris range, you think they'd be able to manage something for their super-duper-leet bodyguard guys.
Next week, we'll get the bare-chested Custodes from the old artwork. 
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Do you think they'll be jump packs or maybe more flight capable than that?
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Post by: Theophony
Wonder what they look like top down as I can make out a eagle head on the backpack and looks like lightning bolt design on the wing feathers.
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Post by: Haighus
Those monstrous pistols are awesome! Look nearly as big as Goliath stubcannons
Look much more like jet packs to me- they appear to be hovering rather than leaping!
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Post by: Rayvon
First custodes I am not a fan of really, I wonder how long until someone does one with a big black beard !
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Post by: Nurglitch
Maybe they'd look better if they weren't smeared with verdigris. Automatically Appended Next Post: beast_gts wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Durandal wrote:However, I always assumed the mole would be better sculpted as bursting out of the ground, rather then on the launcher. Why would you drive your Drill 100 yards from where you want it to emerge as a surprise?
That's a really good point. Why would that thing ever be on the front lines?
Not every game has to be a pitched battle on the front lines. It might have been ambushed before it could deploy, or caught up in a raid at it's HQ...
There's a great bit in Starship Troopers about how they're taught close combat because they're used to kill the enemy before the enemy can push the big red button of doom.
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Post by: Crimson
 warboss wrote: It's a little too birdmen from that 80's Flash Gordon movie
You say that like it's a bad thing!
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Post by: gorgon
changemod wrote:
I’m baffled as to why they weren’t event previewed then, but okay.
As I've said before, it's best to think of them as 2 guys operating out of a garage, throwing darts at a board.
I'm definitely interested in flying custodes.  Talons of the Emperor soon, I hope? I've been losing faith that it's happening at all.
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Post by: Brutus_Apex
These models are just absolutely amazing in every way. Good lord I love these things.
I just hope there’s an option to have all close combat. I don’t need no janky pistols in my army.
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Post by: Bobthehero
Has there been a word about when FW will bring back Dkok Grenadiers?
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Post by: aka_mythos
gorgon wrote:changemod wrote:
I’m baffled as to why they weren’t event previewed then, but okay.
As I've said before, it's best to think of them as 2 guys operating out of a garage, throwing darts at a board.
I'm definitely interested in flying custodes. Talons of the Emperor soon, I hope? I've been losing faith that it's happening at all.
They've said before they don't like previewing everything because they want to surprise people from time to time.
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Post by: Galas
 Crimson wrote:It is crazy how much better the Custodes look without their silly pointy hats.
You couldn't be more wrong!
But I agree, this ones would look very cool with a smaller winged helmet similar to the Saggitarius ones.
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Post by: Dudeface
Now it's odd for a random custodes unit out of the blue, bringing me hope that maybe the talons book isn't as dead as assumed?
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Post by: Not-not-kenny
They're really cool models, I especially like the guns, but was (relatively) lightly armoured jump troops really something Custodes needed or makes sense for to have even?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nothing about these screams "Custodes" to me.
And I invented the Venatorii first.
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Post by: Haighus
 Not-not-kenny wrote:They're really cool models, I especially like the guns, but was (relatively) lightly armoured jump troops really something Custodes needed or makes sense for to have even?
"Relatively"- probably still at least a 3+ I reckon they will be incredibly agile- those jetpacks look very manouevrable. Custodes spend a not-inconsiderable amount of time sneaking around in stealth bodysuits, so I think they are totally at home fighting in lighter, more agile armour.
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Post by: Crimson
They're still way more heavily armoured than the traditional Custodes.
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Post by: Haighus
Crimson wrote:They're still way more heavily armoured than the traditional Custodes.
Do you mean the old artwork?
If you look closely at these new models, they have no plating over their thighs and upper arms, so they do seem to be remarkably lightweight compared to other Custodes models. Almost like the Custodes version of Scout armour.
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Post by: Crimson
Yes. Though there were models too.
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Post by: Haighus
My immediate reaction was "Why is a human standing next to some Eldar?" Excellent. I have to say, I am rather glad they have moved away from what can only be described as a gladiator aesthetic.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
The Vertus Praetors had lighter armor too in case anyone hadn't noticed.
That's not that surprising that there's Custodes with lighter armor, outside of the Jojo Pillar Men.
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Post by: Ferrum_Sanguinis
Not a fan of the bald heads or the color scheme, hope the rules are good. Or ever better, hope GW releases a better plastic model like they did for the FW Jetbikes.
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Post by: Kanluwen
These are the first Custodes I actually have liked. I'll be interested to see their fluff.
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Post by: greyknight12
Haighus wrote: Crimson wrote:They're still way more heavily armoured than the traditional Custodes.
Do you mean the old artwork?
If you look closely at these new models, they have no plating over their thighs and upper arms, so they do seem to be remarkably lightweight compared to other Custodes models. Almost like the Custodes version of Scout armour.
It's exactly the same armor as the 40K Vertus Praetors are wearing. Which I am slightly disappointed in, I'd prefer these guys in full golden plate.
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Post by: BrotherGecko
I'm rarely a fan of models using a flying stand so I think some running guardian legs will make these guys from an 8 to a 10.
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Post by: BrookM
And here they are: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Legio-Custodes-Venatari-Squad-2019
Vaunted as a high honour among the Legio Custodes, the role of Custodian Venatari is reserved for a scant few – those with proven skill and mastery of the rare, sophisticated flight system and archeotech weapons they wield. The Venatari are specialists in hunting direct threats to the Emperor amidst the sprawl of the Palace walls and its spire-tops. While shield companies patrol the vast hallways and cavernous rooms of the Imperial Palace, the Venatari are elevated above, making their domain among the rooftops and spires, overseeing and assessing the threat of all who enter or leave. Their predatory instincts have earned the Venatari the nickname of ‘the Emperor’s Hunting Eagles’, standing as immobile and vigilant as the birds of prey of Old Earth atop the mountain peaks before swooping into a killing dive.
A Custodian Venatari Squad is an Elites choice for a Talons of the Emperor army list. The unit’s rules are available as a free pdf download from the Forge World website.
The Legio Custodes Custodian Venetari Squad includes three complete miniatures, each cast in finest-quality resin. Each Custodian Venatari may be equipped with a Venatari lance or an archeotech kinetic destroyer and Tarsus buckler, and the set includes the components to assemble all three miniatures with either weapon option.
Also available in bundles.
And the other arms included:
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Who would ever buy this?
And I the Venatorii are the original and still the best.
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Post by: Ferrum_Sanguinis
Elites? Really should be Fast Attack. That slot is really crowded now.
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Post by: tneva82
H.B.M.C. wrote:Who would ever buy this?
And I the Venatorii are the original and still the best.
Want 27 of them with discount? Can fit them for sub-2k and HH games are often 3k-4k so technically custodian player could go for lightning attack force. More useful in-game usage for money than say much more expensive warlord titan...
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Post by: zedmeister
Read the PDF's - they're a Fast Attack choice in both.
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Post by: tneva82
Guess he got confused by "A Custodian Venatari Squad is an Elites choice for a Talons of the Emperor army list"
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Post by: changemod
Shootier bikes, terminators and Sagittarum in 40k finally.
I’m glad Custodes finally get -some level of versatility- over guard, elite guard, elite guard with an extra wound and flying elite guard.
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Post by: Latro_
H.B.M.C. wrote:Who would ever buy this?
And I the Venatorii are the original and still the best.
for this reason alone
XD
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Post by: Irbis
Your image link is broken.
Also, I like how Venatari have misericordias but HH rules for them *still* don't exist. FW 'quality', eh?
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Post by: tneva82
Who says small knife even should have rules when their arms are full? To be useful that small knife should be more useful than dedicated 2 handed weapon...Would need to be pretty special rules to attack with tiny knife over 2 handed weapon that's pretty good. What makes it worth trading for attacks from that polearm?
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Post by: Haighus
tneva82 wrote:Who says small knife even should have rules when their arms are full? To be useful that small knife should be more useful than dedicated 2 handed weapon...Would need to be pretty special rules to attack with tiny knife over 2 handed weapon that's pretty good. What makes it worth trading for attacks from that polearm?
They are intended to fight like fully-armoured medieval knights against other knights- disable with the polearm and finish with the dagger through the gap once they are pinned on the floor.
Of course, the degree of abstraction in 40k makes the rules pretty far from this. I like the method of giving an extra attack though.
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Post by: tneva82
Haighus wrote:tneva82 wrote:Who says small knife even should have rules when their arms are full? To be useful that small knife should be more useful than dedicated 2 handed weapon...Would need to be pretty special rules to attack with tiny knife over 2 handed weapon that's pretty good. What makes it worth trading for attacks from that polearm?
They are intended to fight like fully-armoured medieval knights against other knights- disable with the polearm and finish with the dagger through the gap once they are pinned on the floor.
Of course, the degree of abstraction in 40k makes the rules pretty far from this. I like the method of giving an extra attack though.
Ok sure. Turn X you do with pole. Turn 2 you use knife. Pretty complicated rules don't you think?
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Post by: Haighus
tneva82 wrote: Haighus wrote:tneva82 wrote:Who says small knife even should have rules when their arms are full? To be useful that small knife should be more useful than dedicated 2 handed weapon...Would need to be pretty special rules to attack with tiny knife over 2 handed weapon that's pretty good. What makes it worth trading for attacks from that polearm?
They are intended to fight like fully-armoured medieval knights against other knights- disable with the polearm and finish with the dagger through the gap once they are pinned on the floor.
Of course, the degree of abstraction in 40k makes the rules pretty far from this. I like the method of giving an extra attack though.
Ok sure. Turn X you do with pole. Turn 2 you use knife. Pretty complicated rules don't you think?
It would need some kind of disabling mechanic, and some bonus to using the dagger against disabled models. Otherwise, there is no point using the daggers- just use the superior polearms twice. These rules just sort of roll it all into one phase of Custodes mayhem.
Whilst I like the cinematic idea of a Custodes using it's spear to wrestle a Carnifex to the ground then stab it through the eye with a dagger, I think this would rather slow down the game to implement in any semi-realistic way.
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Post by: Irbis
tneva82 wrote:Who says small knife even should have rules when their arms are full? To be useful that small knife should be more useful than dedicated 2 handed weapon...Would need to be pretty special rules to attack with tiny knife over 2 handed weapon that's pretty good. What makes it worth trading for attacks from that polearm?
The fact it's pretty much the only weapon for some custodes? Say, banner bearer if you choose shield, or the gun toting ones? 8th edition Custode can stab his opponents with his short sword, HH one can only punch them. And it's not like other ones couldn't use it, either, especially seeing HH actually has bonus attack for having two weapons...
tneva82 wrote: Haighus wrote:tneva82 wrote:Who says small knife even should have rules when their arms are full? To be useful that small knife should be more useful than dedicated 2 handed weapon...Would need to be pretty special rules to attack with tiny knife over 2 handed weapon that's pretty good. What makes it worth trading for attacks from that polearm?
They are intended to fight like fully-armoured medieval knights against other knights- disable with the polearm and finish with the dagger through the gap once they are pinned on the floor.
Of course, the degree of abstraction in 40k makes the rules pretty far from this. I like the method of giving an extra attack though.
Ok sure. Turn X you do with pole. Turn 2 you use knife. Pretty complicated rules don't you think?
Except for the fact HH one has no short sword rules at all, so what you just described is impossible
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Post by: paulson games
Somehow it seems so familiar:
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Post by: gorgon
So should this release and a big rules dump make us feel more or less confident in getting a non-beta TotE book?
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Post by: BrotherGecko
So did the Telemon get a heavy points drop or am I getting it wrong. It seems to have dropped 200 points. This assuming that the cost for paired isn't something you pay for twice.
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Post by: Sterling191
 BrotherGecko wrote:So did the Telemon get a heavy points drop or am I getting it wrong. It seems to have dropped 200 points. This assuming that the cost for paired isn't something you pay for twice.
180 + 40 + 40 +15 for the standard loadout. Storm Cannon is a single weapon, Telemon carries two plus the Spiculus.
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Post by: ImAGeek
gorgon wrote:So should this release and a big rules dump make us feel more or less confident in getting a non-beta TotE book?
Well they’re beta rules, implying they’ll be released properly in some form in the future.
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Post by: gorgon
Yeah. It's just that my suspicious side sees a random unattached Custodes release and a big rules dump and wonders if this is them kicking the Talons can down the road to Cyraxus.
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Post by: Kanluwen
gorgon wrote:Yeah. It's just that my suspicious side sees a random unattached Custodes release and a big rules dump and wonders if this is them kicking the Talons can down the road to Cyraxus.
You actually got 40k rules for them...Cyraxus was supposed to bring a lot of Mechanicum stuff into 40k proper. So far all we've seen is the Hoplites, Peltasts, and Termite.
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Post by: BrotherGecko
Sterling191 wrote: BrotherGecko wrote:So did the Telemon get a heavy points drop or am I getting it wrong. It seems to have dropped 200 points. This assuming that the cost for paired isn't something you pay for twice.
180 + 40 + 40 +15 for the standard loadout. Storm Cannon is a single weapon, Telemon carries two plus the Spiculus.
Right, I forgot the spiculus. So for dual fists its: 180 + 40 + 40 + 15 + 15 + 14, still puts it at like a 101 point decrease. Which is pretty cool I think.
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Post by: chaos45
Cyraxus was supposed to bring a lot of Mechanicum stuff into 40k proper. So far all we've seen is the Hoplites, Peltasts, and Termite.
kinda--even what they did pull over the hoplites and peltasts don't benefit from <forge world> key word which is a pretty big negative in using them.
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Post by: Kanluwen
chaos45 wrote:Cyraxus was supposed to bring a lot of Mechanicum stuff into 40k proper. So far all we've seen is the Hoplites, Peltasts, and Termite.
kinda--even what they did pull over the hoplites and peltasts don't benefit from <forge world> key word which is a pretty big negative in using them.
That was intentional though...as dumb as it is.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Bare heads only? Seems like an odd choice.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
With the hair cuts and mouth piece I thought they were sisters of silence at first.
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Post by: Brutus_Apex
Right, I forgot the spiculus. So for dual fists its: 180 + 40 + 40 + 15 + 15 + 14, still puts it at like a 101 point decrease. Which is pretty cool I think.
a single fist is listed at 30, and the dual at 40. So you only need to add the 40 once. There's only a 10 point difference for having 2 fists and it gives an extra attack now.
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Post by: cuda1179
Well, I got almost all I wanted. I'm sad to see the terminators limited to 6-man squads, and the Sagitarian Guard limited to 5-man squads. I was assuming they'd be 10-man squads, I have 25 of them. :(
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Post by: Togusa
H.B.M.C. wrote:Who would ever buy this?
And I the Venatorii are the original and still the best.
27$ per model.
This is why I refuse to buy anything from Forgeworld, that price is insane for 1 infantry unit!
30 Primaris Marines cost 180$ for a comparison
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Post by: CragHack
Grabbed a bundle of 9. Plus new Pallas and x6 Aquilons just to - FINALLY - have everything from the Custodes range that can be used in ZM games Paint them by 2025
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Post by: Not Online!!!
So again nothing on the front for Renegades and DKok.
Basically i fully expect now that the DKoK will also be taken behind the shed.
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Post by: Racerguy180
DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEE!
All kidding aside I do like how they look.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Like other Primarchs, Sanguinius will be available as part of the Horus Heresy Character Series. However, unlike his brothers, there will be two versions available. The already impressive Character Series version (above), and a special edition of the model that features an extraordinary display base. Both versions will be available to buy at the Horus Heresy Weekender first. A little while later, the special edition will be available online for a limited time, and at future shows, meaning everyone has a chance to get their hands on one. The Character Series version will join the other Primarchs on the Forge World website soon.
More info here
Looks like the surprise might not be Sanguinius. 
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Post by: aracersss
if the special edition has another pose for sanguinius that isn't taking the flowing hair trend, that will be a plus ... getting sick of the long hair upwards (I get they are moving downwards but still)
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Post by: Denny
I'm not sure about it, I need to see another angle.
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Post by: Valkyrie
There's something about it (and I can't quite put my finger on it) that puts me off the Sanguinius model. It's almost as if they designed him in a standing pose, then thought "let's just glue him onto some scenery so he's flying". Not sure if it looks 100% natural.
I also hope that's part of his tabard behind his foot, and not some weird high-heel.
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Post by: Galas
Quite ugly. With a helmet it would look better.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
I was expecting something amazing but I’m very meh about the model. One of the weaker Primarchs in aesthetics imho.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Wild theory but I wonder if the special edition version is *that* scene on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit? Which would mean the full fat Horus, Emperor and restful repose Angel?
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Post by: Kanluwen
and a special edition of the model that features an extraordinary display base
Looks like the special edition is just the model with the display base.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Sounds like they are just letting us opt out of the massive display bases that add to the cost.
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Post by: Tavis75
Probably just down to the angle, but finding the leg pose a little odd, looks more like he's sliding down something than flying, but hopefully other angles will avoid that look.
Interesting about the display base, obviously all the previous primarchs have come with larger display bases but looks like he just has the 40mm gaming base on the standard model (unless there are two different display bases, a 60mm one for the standard model which they just haven't shown yet and the limited edition one).
Maybe the designer just got carried away with the base and they realised it would double the price of the model to include it or something, so they just decided to make it a separate version to keep the price of the standard model down (as I imagine he's going to be priced similarly to the other Primarchs even without the large base)
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Post by: Kdash
I agree, I think it’s a mix of the angle and the right leg which just feels a little “off” for a pose that’s supposedly him charging down from above.
Also, I don’t know why, but, to me the model just also doesn’t look like 30k Sanguinius should do, in my mind. I’m just not getting the “regal/angelic” vibe from it.
Also… Why does it look like he has several Eyes of Horus on his chest plate?!? They aren’t, but they look so similar from the whole paint scheme of them.
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Post by: Red Corsair
He's inspired by The angel Michael if I am not mistaken. Seems similar to the artwork of him striking down Lucifer.
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Post by: Prometheum5
He's got a weird-ass pose like Fulgrim that would look great in an art print but translates terribly to a 3D model on your table. All the details and design are spot on, but it all just looks off.
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Post by: gorgon
 Red Corsair wrote:He's inspired by The angel Michael if I am not mistaken. Seems similar to the artwork of him striking down Lucifer.
Yep.
I like it a lot. Really captures his angelic nature IMO.
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Post by: Red Corsair
Yea I personally think it's one of the best primarchs but to me they belong in a glass case anyway.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
I love the pose, the sculpt and the pre-raphaelite facial expression.
"Fiery the Angels Fell..."
I wonder if his 'special edition' giant base will be a bloodthirster, a'la gandalf and the balrog?
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Post by: Nurglitch
I would have thought they'd go for a pose closer to the Sanguinor or something.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
I like him. I might get him and Dorn at the same time (though Dorn needs a new head for sure).
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Post by: Malika2
Primarch on high heels?
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Post by: Prometheum5
It's definitely a gold bit on the end of his tabard, the other foot looks normal.
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Post by: Red_Five
I like how thick the wings look. One of the biggest complaints with Corax was how fragile his wing/fins were.
The pose is a little weird but I am hoping the scenic base is actually Sanguinius fighting Ka'Bandha. Imagine this spike being on the top of a tower, with Ka'Bandha staring up at the primarch!
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Post by: Azreal13
Oh.
The wings lack any sense of life and are too small, and he looks like he's falling, not flying/diving.
There would perhaps have been a time when this model would have been absolutely top of my wishlist, but thankfully my disappointment these days is a lot more muted.
FW really miss the guy who did the first few primarch sculpts.
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Post by: Red_Five
 Azreal13 wrote:Oh.
The wings lack any sense of life and are too small, and he looks like he's falling, not flying/diving.
There would perhaps have been a time when this model would have been absolutely top of my wishlist, but thankfully my disappointment these days is a lot more muted.
FW really miss the guy who did the first few primarch sculpts.
Because Mortarion and "karate" Fulgrim are great...? Even Angron is kind of eehhhh.
Horus was, is, and shall always remain, a masterful model.
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Post by: JSG
I just wish it were smaller, plainer and generally more boring.
Azreal13 wrote:Oh.
The wings lack any sense of life and are too small, and he looks like he's falling, not flying/diving.
There would perhaps have been a time when this model would have been absolutely top of my wishlist, but thankfully my disappointment these days is a lot more muted.
FW really miss the guy who did the first few primarch sculpts.
Simon Egan? This looks like one of his tbh.
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Post by: warboss
Fulgrim goofy hair plus the stone spire vesa mount means I'll pass as a Blood Angel player. Hopefully the apparent second version will be less forced dynamic posed. I understand the inspiration and appreciate the pic posted above but I don't think it translates well to a 3d resin tabletop model.
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