Azazelx wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
All about the Fake Stretch Goals, more to the point....

At least there's no restic, right?
Something to be happy about?
Are you capable of that emotion?

No restic is a good thing generally, yes. Really, though, the game being "funded" with 15+1 HIPS figures for $115 is so incredibly fake that it does bear pointing out. I know it should be decent value by the end, but at this point Mantic have gone so far down the rabbit hole of gaming KS, that it no longer bears much of a connection to reality in terms of the initial funding goal meaning anything at all.

It's like some version of Texas hold'em. First, Mantic lays out a few cards in the KS and we all bet on what we see. Then they lay out the rest of the cards in the pledge manager and we place our real bets.

If they keep going with fake funding goals, I'll keep going with fake pledge levels.

One dollar!

Zero bucks for me so far, the mini I'm interested in hasn't been shown off yet, so no bet.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fool me once...

specifically...?

 CptJake wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
Yeah "add stuff to the sprue" mmmhh mmmhmhm

Errr... I am pretty sure that this is an added sprue - not stuff added to the same sprue.

Much easier this way.

Not according to Mantic.e.

Update 3 wrote:If we hit this stretch goal, we will add new hard plastic options to the sprue to create hand weapon and pistol wielding Veer-myn Stalkers.

This means that the ten Veer-myn you already get in Quarantine can be built as either Night-Crawlers or Stalkers.

We are also giving you one bonus sprue of 5 Veer-myn Miniatures, taking the total number up to 15!

Well, dats silly den.

Then again, since the whole thing is a digital construct... redesigning the frames is nowhere near as complicated as it used to be.

I got my revenge on Megan by describing the ignoble death of my commander to her mawbeast in the last game of Deadzone to one of her coworkers.
'So there he was, nice and safe behind a bulkhead when he hears...
*Boing!*
*Boing!*
Play?
Wanna play?
Wanna?
Wanna play!
*Boing!*
*Boing!*
Play!
*Boing!*
*BOOM!*'

Not sure that it really counts as revenge - the whole point was to make Megan laugh.

Her mission was to kill characters - mine was take and hold objectives.

The first casualty of the game was my commander, trying to hold the building.

The Auld Grump

 Alex C wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Who is Blaine?

A recurring character that shows up in every Mantic KS.

The one who is clearly "inspired" by Predator


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 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I backed the original Deadzone kickstarter but think I will currently hang fire on this one. I am not a fan of the Veer Myn miniatures at all and they are a big part of pledge as it stands. I am also rubbish at delayed gratification, January seems such a long way away.

Of course there is every chance that the miniature count for the cost will make pledging a no-brainer. I shall be watching the next 17 days with interest.

Put a buck down now and go in (or not) on the Wave 2 or 3 Pledge Manager in 6+ months to get some terrain. Easy.


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 BrookM wrote:
Zero bucks for me so far, the mini I'm interested in hasn't been shown off yet, so no bet.

One dollar for the option of cheap future terrain. Pledge on the second-last day to avoid KS Spam.

Finally done with work so I can make comments. The female pathfinder torso does look fairly skinny compared to the rest of her, but meh i'm already over it. I quite like them overall. I may actually be content with just 10 from the base pledge this time though, you only need so many scouts before you've got to call in the specialists and heavies.

The DOGs are ok as far as I'm concerned. Not amazing, but the blocky shape is almost endearing to a point.

The veermyn (I'm gonna follow Ronnie's pronunciation from video and say it Vermin) seem ok. I used to freaking love Skaven so I should probably be crazy thrilled but at this point I'm somewhere in the middle. These actually remind me more of Skaven than the older sculpts.

For those of you that have the older Veermyn sculpts, how much have these changed from the original stuff?


With plumbing supplies so cheap I feel kind of dumb buying HiPS tubes... but the accessory sprue tubes and pipes do look pretty cool, and the rest of it is pretty neat. I really like the fan tile in the new industrial battlezone, and the mesh-looking platform/walkway half-tiles are pretty sweet too.




I'm not sure if we'll get the rubber mat in the base pledge or not, I know it's not meant to be in the entry-level product we're funding so as to cut start-up costs for retail buyers... but I dunno. I want one. Or two. It's a nice, fairly generic mat. Looks like the grid is toned down a bit too which is cool.


I always saw Blaine as a predator/plo koon/riddick/bane amalgamation.

 Alex C wrote:
Comments section revealed that they're thinking of dropping the card decks and having all the info in the book instead.

WTF?

MAJOR step backwards if this happens.

Cards are a big problem when you want to update model profiles/costs. I'm fine with removing them if it means old models get updated. I'd prefer it even more to have living army lists online. Some fan will make printable cards anyway.

I would be fine with the stats being in the main rulebook. The last rulebook was skinny enough I don't think it would be too hard to accommodate it. Would be a bit of a pain in the first wave of expansion books as you'd need all of your book expansions handy, or to print your own cards.

Its how Kings of War does it's units isn't it? I like the idea of everything being in the main rulebook so everyone is on the same page, to pun terribly.

I think having it all in the rulebook is swell, but do it like the Kings of War army lists and Darklands' musters- they're constantly works in progress.

Have them available for free, in an easy to print fashion, and all is well.

Give me the bells and whistles full color version with stats and fluff when I pay for it.

Living army lists would be awesome!

I'd prefer to have all the stats in the book. The cards only serve as a quick reference for stats, it's not like you have to track wounds a la Warmachine, plus with the counters and other cards there's already enough stuff floating around the game mat as is.

The deliberate under-shooting for value-for-cost is really disappointing. Given that the sweet spot has been listed as $115, Mantic likely has an internal layout for what that $115 would *actually* get you. This should have been what the $115 displayed from the get-go, and the actual goal adjusted to match.

I know KS psychology dictates that pledgers are much more reluctant to jump in before they see a project is funded, and are more likely to pledge when they see a higher "% funded" and more reached stretch goals. However, I also worry about what kind of an impact the $115-for-16-models+terrain is going to have. We here know that this is a "false" pledge level, since it's designed to accommodate the stretch goals, but Deadzone had 50-60 models plus terrain at the $150 point pledge when it first started, so I'm really not seeing why this can't be the case for Infestation.

Right now, the $115 for, what, 25ish models plus terrain, isn't hitting the value that DZ had yet, and given how many people are just chucking in for a lone dollar, myself included, I can't help but wonder if this is the case elsewhere, and is hampering the growth Infestation could have if the pledges were outlined better.

The other part of the equation, which we haven't yet seen here in this campaign, but have seen here for other campaigns (including Mantic ones) is when people start to berate others for not going in early for the maximum they think they'll be able to afford, and decrying those "selfish" people who only go in for small, or $1 pledges...

Such negativity will likely encourage the dolla bill pledgers to reconsider even leaving the dollar in.

Honestly... they ought to just hype the gak out of the thing for a couple of weeks, and then run a 3...5...*maybe* 7 day project. I honestly think the brevity of the campaign would generate urgency and raise money in it's own right.

Oh well, I'm probably gonna just treat this one like I did KoW3.0 or was it 2.0? I guess it depends on if you're talking version number or project number .... Anyway, I put in my $200 up front, if they haven't impressed me by $200 by the time the KS is due to close, I'll reduce to whatever I deem appropriate. If they knock my socks off, I may throw more at them... but top dollar pledge first day has been my motto for a little while now.

I'm happy to go in for a dollar. There's too much on the go right now since two to two and a half week campaigns seem to be the new black.

Don't hate the ks playas; hate the ks game...

Mantic said this would be a more cost efficient way to get in to the game. Then boom, $115 for a handful of dudes.

Fair enough, they'll throw loads more in but then you're paying ~£70? for a crap ton of plastic.

This isn't an easier, more cost efficient way. £35 for some scenery, a mini rule book, two starter armies. Even that for £50 would get my attention!

I'm in for a dollar.

A dollar here also, although I really like the vermin. More than I thought I would. I'm interested to see what else is 'unlocked' for them. Pathfinders not so much. I don't think they look as good as the renders, but that may just be down to the in house painter's style. I find something about it off, can't put my finger on it, but it was the same with the Mars Attacks stuff. Just doesn't sell the figures to me.

With pledge managers, and pledge manager $ counting towards new stretch goals, KS campaigns from Mantic effectively last for a year or so.

Main thing I'm unsure about currently is pricing on the add-ons, since I'm fairly sure that Warpath pricing on those nightstalkers will be more like $25 for 20, with army deals and such bringing the price down further (there's already the Enforcer Warpath army deal for reference there).

$10 for 5 was the pricing on the peacekeepers in the original DZ campaign.

I am waiting. I have pledged a number of their kickstarters, but the current offering is not worth $115. I am not going to pledge anything until it is worth it IMO.

Creator Mantic Games 1 minute ago

Blaine fans get on alert – big news coming at 3pm GMT on his latest whereabouts.

Over retail it does look like the value is there now. 3 sprues of Veer-myn and 2 of Pathfinder at $25 a pop based on current pricing. That said, I might drop down at the end to just the rulebook and add-on a Pathfinder sprue as the ratmen aren't particularly exciting to me.

Perhaps Blaine is at Murryfield for Scotland versus Ireland

Two scenery sprues at $25 each (right?), $50 worth of minis, a $20ish rule book and 2 $5 accessory sprues. So we're at about $130 worth of value. Roughly. For $115. So it's not as wonderful as it's gonna get, but those are the kickstarter prices right now. So it's already worth it, since retail costs will be closer to $190 for the minis and terrain alone so far.

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Perhaps Blaine is at Murryfield for Scotland versus Ireland

Hopefully the Scots have hired his services as an MVP! I hope they have anyway!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Two scenery sprues at $25 each (right?), $50 worth of minis, a $20ish rule book and 2 $5 accessory sprues. So we're at about $130 worth of value. Roughly. For $115. So it's not as wonderful as it's gonna get, but those are the kickstarter prices right now. So it's already worth it, since retail costs will be closer to $190 for the minis and terrain alone so far.

I haven't found Mantics retail prices to be worth it though tbh. They tend to be priced too high for the lower quality compared to their competition lately. What I don't get in a KS (or christmas box!) I don't get now.

Mantic peace keepers vs dreamforge valkir at retail prices? Easy choice imo. Still go in for the kickstarters though ofc, I like having "lots of gak" at a good price, even if I don't need all of it ; p

A Battlezone ($25) is 4 sprues (or 8 half sprues)

The terrain contents to date looks like 1 battlezone worth at $25 and 2 accessory sprues at $5 each so $35 of terrain. (although a KS battlezone had an accessory sprue as well but lets ignore that)

Rulebook, mat and counters $35

HiPs miniatures $50 (without any bulk discounts yet?). Resin mini $8

total $128

The HIPS miniatures are selling for $25 a sprue at retail...at least the Peacekeepers are. They were priced at $10 add-on as well in the last KS, so the value is in there over retail, it's just a matter of whether you want/need that much.

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/43278/s/mgdze05-1/

I got a EB pledge, but I I'm thinking of dropping down to $1 too. Really all I want is the terrain, cuz I love their battlezones and then I'd still have the minis and stuff if the fellas ever want to try it out.

there's Bliane



If we hit this stretch goal ($160,000), we will sculpt and produce the mercenary Blaine on his Jetbike, in resin exclusively for this Kickstarter.

This figure will be included in the Quarantine pledge and available as an individual add-on for $15. You can add multiple copies of this figure to your pledge if you wish.

If you are at the $1 pledge or the Outbreak ($35) pledge you can also pledge for this figure by simply adding it on.

And then… Brood Mother

Ok I'm in, I am a sucker for Blaine.

What's a brood mother? Is it what finally adds some character to the veermyn?

Ronnie mentions them in an interview they breed lots and lots of new VeerMyn think Alien Queen although probably a lot less mobile and fighty. It looks like it's the $200k goal unless they start to narrow the goals now that it's slowing down.

I think it's a momma rat, but I'm not sure how that's going to translate into a functional DZ unit... will she be ogre sized? Some kind of giant bloated monster that spawns rats? Just some lady-rat that happens to have babies when she isn't doing other stuff? Who knows.

I'm curious though.

Is that why all the veermyn are dressed so neatly, because their brood mother picks out their clothes for them?

Thanks for the price estimates. I will add to first post breakdown.

Muahahaha broodmother+cleaner veermyn aesthetic makes with laugh.

Those estimates seem off, $25 for 5 is RRP for Enforcer peacekeepers, and pretty much nothing else.

The forge guard pricing is probably the best place to look for a unit of 6 models (5 + extra character/support model). Those are $20 RRP currently (and £10 in the UK, so we get a much better deal this side of the pond with those).

Either way, it is fairly pricy. I will probably wait on the inevitable Warpath release of a box of 20 (or army deals) before getting loads of nightstalkers or pathfinders.

On the other hand, the industrial terrain might be undervalued a bit there.. if it is a single battlezone, those retail for $40 each.

Good call. I will update.

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Yeah, unless it gets crazy cheap, I'll just get my one of everything type pledge and stop there.

Taaloc wrote:
A dollar here also, although I really like the vermin. More than I thought I would. I'm interested to see what else is 'unlocked' for them. Pathfinders not so much. I don't think they look as good as the renders, but that may just be down to the in house painter's style. I find something about it off, can't put my finger on it, but it was the same with the Mars Attacks stuff. Just doesn't sell the figures to me.

Their torsos are off. I will write more later, but they need some more work in the proportions.

I'm in for a dollar. I may upgrade to the all-in pledge after the pledge manager comes out. For sure though, when it does come out I'm planning on getting some Enforcers.

My price estimate was based purely on the last KS. Followed by the rest of the after-KS estimate being based on regular plastic enforcers/terrain. If those are a bit off, apologies, but since most of us buying it are at KS prices...those value estimates should be accurate. It's already at a decent enough deal. Just not at awesome yet.

Triple9 wrote:
The HIPS miniatures are selling for $25 a sprue at retail...at least the Peacekeepers are. They were priced at $10 add-on as well in the last KS, so the value is in there over retail, it's just a matter of whether you want/need that much.

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/43278/s/mgdze05-1/

Yeah, but that retail price is a sick joke. The enforcers cost more per mini than the superior Valkir*, and even their KS price seems a bit high for the limitations of the kit.

*Whether or not one prefers the design or aesthetics of the enforcers, the kit is clearly less sharply detailed, the pieces fit together poorly in comparison to the Valkir, and the sprue comes with a lot less in terms of extras. You can't even give all five enforcers the same helmet.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Those estimates seem off, $25 for 5 is RRP for Enforcer peacekeepers, and pretty much nothing else.

The forge guard pricing is probably the best place to look for a unit of 6 models (5 + extra character/support model). Those are $20 RRP currently (and £10 in the UK, so we get a much better deal this side of the pond with those).

Either way, it is fairly pricy. I will probably wait on the inevitable Warpath release of a box of 20 (or army deals) before getting loads of nightstalkers or pathfinders.

On the other hand, the industrial terrain might be undervalued a bit there.. if it is a single battlezone, those retail for $40 each.

Really? I've never seen a Battlezone for more than around $25. Probably wouldn't buy one for more than that either.

I'll update the terrain price later. As for comparisons with other companies, /shrug. I'm just calculating mantic retail for the first post.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Triple9 wrote:
The HIPS miniatures are selling for $25 a sprue at retail...at least the Peacekeepers are. They were priced at $10 add-on as well in the last KS, so the value is in there over retail, it's just a matter of whether you want/need that much.

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/43278/s/mgdze05-1/

Yeah, but that retail price is a sick joke. The enforcers cost more per mini than the superior Valkir*, and even their KS price seems a bit high for the limitations of the kit.

*Whether or not one prefers the design or aesthetics of the enforcers, the kit is clearly less sharply detailed, the pieces fit together poorly in comparison to the Valkir, and the sprue comes with a lot less in terms of extras. You can't even give all five enforcers the same helmet.

Agree with you 100%. I made the mistake of buying Mars Attacks Martian Marines and Stealth Martians at retail. Mantics RRP is a bit...odd, sometimes. . I was simply comparing value of the pledge now vs buying at retail later. Unless things change and they throw a bunch of scenery in, I'll probably end up dropping down to getting just the rulebook and throwing in for a sprue of Pathfinders. The DOG is this KS's Mawbeast, which almost drove me over the edge and not buy the Marauders at all.

Could this be the Veer-myn "Brood mother"?



I like those back attachments.

Looks a bit like a big brawler.

That's one sexy brood mare.

Er.

In miniature terms.

It looks more like something you leave back to guard the brood mother to me. Also, want. On a sprue. Maybe 3 on a sprue? Want.

Love that the Mantic Leg Syndrome extends to quadrupeds. I'd love to see what happens to arachnids under the same aesthetic. It would be like the Powers of Ten video, but for legs.


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 GrimDork wrote:
It looks more like something you leave back to guard the brood mother to me. Also, want. On a sprue. Maybe 3 on a sprue? Want.

Oh man, in hard plastic?

I never thought I'd say this, but I hope there's a way to make it into a fantasy mini off the sprue.

If you're thinking Skaven, I'm sure you could just do the skaven/orc method of bolting on extra plates over any armor bits that look too scifi. And if it's Skaven, you could always introduce some warpstone mutations to cover up scifi bits too.


Well... I know resin and metal are possibilities here... but surely it won't be metal, and resin seems... well in the same place as metal for this really. I really wanna see the big rat beast on sprues, fingers are crossed. And the mono bikes... I would love to see sprues of the monobikes. I don't play 40k anymore but I always wanted a unit or two of scout bikers, and I still kinda do.

Heath Foley does a wonderful job time and time again with his concept art, that Blaine is exceptional.

Maybe the buck pledge is the way to go AzazelX.

That looks more like the 'Giant Rats' mentioned than a brood mother...

Looks like a giant ratty version of a Maulerfiend and Exocrine from WH40K

I think the current deal is half a battlezone's worth of terrain, actually. One standard BZ is 32 full size panels (or smaller bits with a roughly equivalent total surface area) and what's shown here so far is half that.

Enjoying the project so far. Personally I'd have prefered Blane in a Mech. (predator in a powerloader-esk) The Predator on Endor vibe is actually growing on me though. If this project follows previous examples I'm sure the sweet spot will become a no brainer. I like the option to play Veermyn but would actually like to see more Rebs/Mercs. There's a bunch of Dreadball/DBX species yet to be introduced to Deadzone.

Na voltron Blaine will be saved for the warpath kickstarter

I want a mini of Blaine standing over Ronnie Renton, with a chain link leash, forcing him to sign thank you cards to all backers.

It's scenic. And I could see Mantic doing it!

Thats the Brood Mother



accessory sprue contents

OK so the large beasty DEFINITELY isn't a Veer-Myn Brood Mother then...

The brood mother is interesting. It almost looks like she's got a mechanical port hole on her belly for rapid baby delivery action! Which is kind of creepy... but then... so are giant rat people.

 GrimDork wrote:
The brood mother is interesting. It almost looks like she's got a mechanical port hole on her belly for rapid baby delivery action! Which is kind of creepy... but then... so are giant rat people.

Maybe it's a built in washing machine for all her offsprings dirty laundry?

Brood mother / tervigon conversion?

Mantic, if you manage to get the brood mother mini to look exactly as cool as the concept art, I will have your babies!

Joyboozer wrote:
Mantic, if you manage to get the brood mother mini to look exactly as cool as the concept art, I will have your babies!

Joyboozer = Brood Mother?!?

 Alpharius wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Mantic, if you manage to get the brood mother mini to look exactly as cool as the concept art, I will have your babies!

Joyboozer = Brood Mother?!?

Sounds like a custom title if ever I heard one...

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I want a mini of Blaine standing over Ronnie Renton, with a chain link leash, forcing him to sign thank you cards to all backers.

It's scenic. And I could see Mantic doing it!

Exalted! Mantic owes us this.

 scarletsquig wrote:
With pledge managers, and pledge manager $ counting towards new stretch goals, KS campaigns from Mantic effectively last for a year or so.
Main thing I'm unsure about currently is pricing on the add-ons, since I'm fairly sure that Warpath pricing on those nightstalkers will be more like $25 for 20, with army deals and such bringing the price down further (there's already the Enforcer Warpath army deal for reference there).
$10 for 5 was the pricing on the peacekeepers in the original DZ campaign.

I'm finding $10 for 5 normal-sized models (plus a doohickey add-on) a bit rich.

Triple9 wrote:
The HIPS miniatures are selling for $25 a sprue at retail...at least the Peacekeepers are. They were priced at $10 add-on as well in the last KS, so the value is in there over retail, it's just a matter of whether you want/need that much.
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/43278/s/mgdze05-1/

Wow, you're right. $5 each for Mantic's HIPS models? That's fething crazy.

I still say they hiked the price just to make their trademark big deal boxes look like a better deal in comparison.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I still say they hiked the price just to make their trademark big deal boxes look like a better deal in comparison.

Or they're betting folks'll compare peacekeepers to terminators @ $50/5 models and think they got a deal at half the price.

Peacekeepers are nicer than ordinary enforcers, but in comparison to terminators they will lose on just about every metric other than price, and maybe aesthetic style.

If you need to compare your products to GW prices in order to win, you lose.

privateer4hire wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I still say they hiked the price just to make their trademark big deal boxes look like a better deal in comparison.

Or they're betting folks'll compare peacekeepers to terminators @ $50/5 models and think they got a deal at half the price.

They better hope they don't compare them to Dreamforge Valkir, better quality at $3 each.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Peacekeepers are nicer than ordinary enforcers, but in comparison to terminators they will lose on just about every metric other than price, and maybe aesthetic style.

If you need to compare your products to GW prices in order to win, you lose.

Didn't say it was a good strategy.
Just speculating.

Valkir aren't as big and as bulky as either the Terminators or Peacekeepers. Keep that in mind.

We'll have to see how big that Brood Mother ends up being. I do like the baby birthing porthole idea, and hope she comes with a sprue of rats/ baby rat men to spill out every turn.

That Brood Mother art is simply fantastic. I'm not a fan of the rat men myself, but that concept art looks pretty sweet. I wonder if they'll make her as big as the stage one plague. If she is, I'll get one. Period.

Stage One Plague sized would probably make me want to get multiples if they let us.

If that's a 40mm base she's been depicted on then she won't be stage 1 sized, more like a bulky stage 2

It's a little off topic, but with all the Enforcer Peacekeepers vs. Dreamforge Valkir talk here, I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison. Could anyone post a link to some comparison shots, or post some of their own here on Dakka in a gallery? I'd appreciate it.

I have five Peacekeepers assembled and like them, but I won't be buying more for $25 (even discounted with shipping included). I would seriously consider adding some more on if they put them in this campaign at KS add-on prices, however.

I do agree that a couple of the Pathfinders look a little odd; mostly - as I think Bob said? - the female torso proportions that seem off to me, but the male Pathfinders look fine. I'm not bothered about them, though, because they all look very useful for mix-and-match with standard HP Enforcers and Plague units.

As for the Veer-myn, I'm pleased. I do prefer Remy's originals so far, but I like the new HP ones too, and ease of assembly / conversion counts for a a lot. And the Brood Mother has a lot of originality / personality, rather than being the expected Skaven knock-off (there's no direct equivalent I can think of - haven't Skaven always been male, anyway?), so hat's off to them for that.

I guess miniature overload is sinking in for me. So far this KS campaign doesn't have quite the excitement of the first DZ KS, despite the fact that I actually like both of the starter teams this time (1st KS wanted about half of the bundled teams), they're made out of better plastic, and the exclusive resin units that we know about so far - Piper and Blaine - look very promising. Still, I'm currently in for $110 and plan to stay there. Particularly at the sweet spot pledge level, I've never had buyer's remorse from a Mantic KS.

One criticism I would make at this point is that Deadzone Infestation is playing it a bit too coy with the story hook, because essentially there isn't one yet. The Veer-myn are bustin' loose and the Pathfinders are too late to stop them. OK. But who are the Veer-myn anymore (what are the revisions?), and why are they a dire threat? Why are the industrial buildings painted to look like cheddar cheese? Where's the Flavor Flav?

I think Skaven have the equivalent to the broodmother, but they are non combatants, big mutant momma rats that just kind of spew out more skaven down in their lairs and don't move around or fight anything. Bit more like an ant queen in that regard.

I'm quite hopeful that the fluff section in this new and improved hardback rulebook is well and truly large and packed with good fluff.. but we'll see.

 Vermonter wrote:
It's a little off topic, but with all the Enforcer Peacekeepers vs. Dreamforge Valkir talk here, I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison. Could anyone post a link to some comparison shots, or post some of their own here on Dakka in a gallery? I'd appreciate it.

There was exactly one of these pictures, plus a Sedition Wars troopers, a Terminator and a regular Eisenkern posted in the Manti Sci-fi news thread maybe a month or two ago.

Unfortunately that thread seems to have completey disappeared from the face of Dakka, can't even find it in my post history, so not sure how else to find that image again

 GrimDork wrote:
I think Skaven have the equivalent to the broodmother, but they are non combatants, big mutant momma rats that just kind of spew out more skaven down in their lairs and don't move around or fight anything. Bit more like an ant queen in that regard.

I'm quite hopeful that the fluff section in this new and improved hardback rulebook is well and truly large and packed with good fluff.. but we'll see.

Yep- Skaven call females (of any species) "breeders". They don't really leave the Under-Empire at all.

Currently in on the sweet spot, but I'm not planning on staying currently. A lot depends on the upcoming terrain only pledge as currently I'm eying the new battlezones and 10 (or maybe just 5) Pathfinders.

Confirmation of the Terrain contents from Quarantine

Creator Mantic Games 23 minutes ago

... the exact combination of scenery tiles are supposed to be on the pledge level graphic, it is 6 sprues, plus connectors, plus one accessory sprue at the moment, two with the next goal funded. I need to check however that all of the tiles have been accurately represented. and will get that done when the pledge level graphic is updated in the morning.

So that's not even a full battlezone from the first KS as it ended up with 8 sprues, a connector sprue and an accessory sprue. Although the addition of pipes sprue will make it equivalent to an old BZ.

I mentioned that yesterday. One battlezone is 32 tiles and the current pledge is 16.

6 sprues would be the equivalent of 24 tiles so the graphic is completely out plus the graphic has a lot of 1/4 tiles so it's only really showing 12 tiles worth.

I updated the retail in the first post to $50 (counting the extra accessories).

 NTRabbit wrote:
If that's a 40mm base she's been depicted on then she won't be stage 1 sized, more like a bulky stage 2

Where did you get the idea that she is on a 40mm base? Not being sarcastic, legitimately asking. I don't see mention of that anywhere.

 Riquende wrote:
Currently in on the sweet spot, but I'm not planning on staying currently. A lot depends on the upcoming terrain only pledge as currently I'm eying the new battlezones and 10 (or maybe just 5) Pathfinders.

You have to finish your first set first!!!

Seems Mantic has gotten pretty fix w/ some of the nonsense tactics. 25k stretches at the start that would be 10-15k stretches the last week, and gross lack of details so they throw up stretch goals to fill gaps that really would have been done anyways.

@Squall: Mantic hasnt produced anything on a larger base, striders excepted. The 1A is on a 40mm base. Seems likely the broodmother will also have one.

 squall018 wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
If that's a 40mm base she's been depicted on then she won't be stage 1 sized, more like a bulky stage 2

Where did you get the idea that she is on a 40mm base? Not being sarcastic, legitimately asking. I don't see mention of that anywhere.

 Tyr13 wrote:
@Squall: Mantic hasnt produced anything on a larger base, striders excepted. The 1A is on a 40mm base. Seems likely the broodmother will also have one.

This; to date Deadzone has only been on 25mm, 40mm and 60mm round bases (excepting the baseless Goblin Guntrack), and only the Striders, Stuntbot and Iron Ancestor have been on the 60mm ones. Can't see the broodmother being walker sized.

Ok, backed at the Quarantine level. Finally taking the plunge!

Hopefully things pick up soon. Boring as feth campaign so far.

Huge stretch goal gaps from the get go as well as "fake" looking goals certainly aren't helping.

Mantic do however seem to know how to play the Kickstarter campaign game, so I'm sure all will be set right by the end.

Same thing was said about Dungeon Saga- fake goals, big gaps, not enough initial value... yet that ended up breaking a million.

I do feel that impatient desire to know what's coming up as well though.

I keep checking the KS page expecting it to break the terrain stretch goal but it's still there :(

I think It would be cool if mantics sci fi ratmen are scales the same as GWs ratmen. The options for head swaps an alternate bitz it exciting to me.

It's getting there. IT's gone up a few thousand since I checked before I left for work.

 Alex C wrote:
Hopefully things pick up soon. Boring as feth campaign so far.

Yeah this is just wierd. Mantic is 100% running off of name recognition. If you don't know who they are, you aren't likely to pledge right now as it all seems really underwhelming and nothing to look forward to. There are add-ons that COULD be there including,

Veer-myn card deck (which caused all sorts of senseless panic)
The Piper
Extra Hardback book
Set of 10 white d8s

If that is what shows up add-on Wednesday, that is sad. When things start to crawl, you need to show people they have a little something to look forward to. From the looks of it, this campaign is just gonna remain sluggish. It seems Mantic learns from their odd mistakes and ensures they make all new ones. No real insight on the rules right now either. Just worry that this game might become less flexible with "squad structure rules".

I'm just not sure why they haven't drop some of the act and have instead added more of one. It's very frustrating and is causing some of the vets to not pledge.

I'm kinda surprised it's going so slow too. But I think a lot of it might have to do with the fact that there were like 387 kickstarters this month and folks are tapped out. Same thing will probably happen in August when companies want to get campaigns running so they can demo them at GenCon.

It's always worth keeping in mind that Mantic might have engineered this kickstarter to go slow intentionally. - Including the beginning and end dates and them coinciding with other kickstarters.

They said this was meant to be a small one. I'm sure it's going to be fine.

Yeah, honestly, they may be hobbling themselves. And... I think it could be for the right reasons. If they make this a single wave EZPZ to fulfill project, they'll have still expanded deadzone, further paved the way for warpath, but they won't have generated more bad will by having a difficult to fulfill monster on their hands. If this stays small enough, it makes it reasonable for them to cover KoW ruleset 3.0, dungeon saga, finishing their DBX, and getting this out.

Then Warpath comes around and they aren't exhausted and too busy to pay it proper heed.

Or I mean it cold be incompetence too.... but they've been at this game for awhile so I don't find that terribly likely.

Rubber mat and terrain for add ons would be a good move.

Necessary move lol. If I get one mat in the main pledge (kind of assuming we will... but maybe not), I'm gonna want at least one more.

The terrain pledge is coming, no real point to wait for wednesday IMO.

 GrimDork wrote:


Or I mean it cold be incompetence too.... but they've been at this game for awhile so I don't find that terribly likely.

Not sure if serious!

Sorry - couldn't resist!

I think the the stretch goals are a bit too obviously fake right now, and that the 'value' isn't there yet.

I'm sure this Wednesday, with the Terrain Only pledge (or is that tomorrow?) among other things, will see a jump up here...

Meh. The whole thing just meh.
I don't like any of the sculpts, I'm leary of the rules.. even with an update.. and I'm just not feeling it in general.
I reeeeeeeeally hope this is not a sign of the direction the Warpath KS will go. I actually wanted to be surprised by Infestation and my older son loves skaven, so I thought huh.. could be cool. There is literally nothing about this that's won me over though.

I'm thinking the rubber mat will be add-on only, just like it was for the main pledge in Mars Attacks, because the main pledge level here is lower than original Deadzone's.

How badly Mantic want this to explode and fund more Warpath hard plastic troops vs. how much they want to keep it small and simple should, as has been said, become clear on Wednesday. Among other things, if they open up old Deadzone stock (factions, battlezones, hard plastic Peacekeepers) at KS prices, that'll be a good sign that they're hoping for this to exceed funding the Veer-myn faction, pathfinders, industrial terrain, and rulebook.

If Add-on Wednesday is underwhelming (dice etc.), it's a good indication that they're comfortable with the current slow trickle upwards. Even less profitable Mantic KSes can still pay off very well for their backers, of course. The Mars Attacks and Dreadball Xtreme campaigns were on the lower end in terms of final dollar amount, but have both been pretty fantastic in terms of both the quality and quantity.

Good call about Wednesday. Though they may wait for the second Wednesday to pull out all the stops (or to not do that, at all), we should get a good indication on the first one.

I would love for them to unlock all the addons but I think that just may not fit the smaller ks idea.

Pretty sure that, before pledge manager add ons, this one is going to fall well short of all the stretch goals like DBX did.

Too many, too fast. Not even sure how I'm going to be able to financially handle a Warpath project, and that's with only a book from KoW. Mantic sure seem like they're way overdoing it with slipping standards in CS, over stretched development resources, and a massive over reliance on a contractor who can't be cut if they want to meet deadline, no matter how badly he's dropping the ball.

I've been saving so not worried financially, it is the fact I haven't everything built from the first KS that worries me.

Since Ive barely touched any of my DBX minis and yet more are to arrive, this is a pass for me.
Also Ive got march madness lethargy.

 pretre wrote:
They said this was meant to be a small one. I'm sure it's going to be fine.

They also said they'd like to do a sprue for every faction.... which isn't happening with successive 25k stretch goals just for putting extra bitz on the first set of sprues.

I'm getting all of my myth rules and cards replaced for 6 bucks, I wish mantic would do something similar. I know that I personally don't need a fancy hardback.

There is a lot mor to "replace" though. The entire campaign system needs an overhaul and all the associated layers that didn't make it work.

I just don't understand why Mantic is letting this go to a crawl. If I didn't know those first few goals funded MORE then just the first goals and Mantic is going to surprise later, I'd be out. Why they haven't thrown up a pair of add-ons to push past this goal and get the ball rolling is beyond me.

Think the raised pricing might be a factor slowing things down, or at least preventing people from going nuts with it.

Kings of War Kickstarter: $15 for 20 HIPS minis.

Deadzone Infestation Kickstarter: $10 for 5 HIPS minis.

Bit of a difference in pricing there there (62.5% to be precise). The new KoW sprues have multiple build options just like the new Deadzone ones too.

I just can't see $10 for 5 being the price of the basic veermyn infantry when Warpath launches, even at retail pricing, never mind KS pricing. The restic ones are roughly the same price and you can buy them now (or cheaper from discount internet retail that wants rid of them).

Well people are starting the roller coaster already, something that could have been avoided if Mantic did an Update last night.

I just don't understand what they are waiting for? Why are they sandbagging getting a couple add-ons and getting the initial pledge package to a solid point?

Complacency? Maybe they think they're entitled to another million bucks for not much work.

But I think people tend to notice when the first 50k allegedly fund 4 sprues, and then the next 100k of stretch goals only fund one extra sprue and some bits "added" to the previous sprues.

I'm actually okay with wider stretches (even if they may not help the campaign pacing much). This is a predominantly hard-plastic Kickstarter, and hard-plastic costs a lot to fund.

That said, it doesn't cost very much to produce once tooled, and I feel Mantic currently isn't being generous whatsoever. A single (undefined) accessories sprue added? A single (undefined) pipes sprue added? Why not two? Why not four? Kickstarters really take off once the value being presented is beyond question, and by 1) focusing on hard plastic, and 2) charging shipping afterwards, Mantic has the potential to offer a huge amount of product without driving up the costs of delivery by much at all.

Now, granted, I may not be even slightly close to painting and assembling the 80 Zombies I got for $45 from Deadzone 1, but I feel that I got my value there!

I was away from the internet all weekend. I expected to find I had missed 5 or so updates. I was surprised to only see a couple, and they were not too exciting.

There's a video now. Don't recall seeing it before today.

Doesn't really say anything new, but it's good they have one.

I think there's a new FF render in the video at 2:10

Oh.. is he new? I guess you're right, I think we've just seen the standard steel warrior till now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think there's a new FF render in the video at 2:10

Looks like a Steel Warrior with a heavy hailstorm

Between the new Brokkrs, Forge Guard and Steel Warriors, I'm wondering how many of Thorgarim, Drakkarim, Stormrage Veterans and Godhammer Veterans are going to still be necessary/viable/survive a new edition.

What we should clamor for is short $5k stretch goals for free restic models.
We all loved the Basilean Sisters and KoW Trolls right?

Oh and lots of add ons and ability to switch things around.
Because that's always worked perfectly!

 judgedoug wrote:
What we should clamor for is short $5k stretch goals for free restic models.
We all loved the Basilean Sisters and KoW Trolls right?

Oh and lots of add ons and ability to switch things around.
Because that's always worked perfectly!

I actually did like the trolls. (And thought that the Basilean sisters were... okay.)

I think that is part of what is slowing thing down though - making molds for HIP is expensive, making molds for restic is less so.

I think that the low impact 'toy' plastic used in Mars Attacks is somewhere between the two.

So people's perceptions are a bit skewed. (Though I think that Mantic could add more of each frame - once the mold is made the actual models are inexpensive - the cost is in making the mold in the first place. Then again, this is supposed to be a board game... fifty gazillion figures may not have a place in these rules....)


The Auld Grump, that said, I wouldn't say no to fifty gazillion figures....

Yeah they really need some smaller goals.. save the big #'s for the plastics that require a lot more funding, but mix in some cheaper stuff inbetween. Adding Blaine was a good idea.

I'd love to see a terrain only pledge though, that's the main thing I want and I'd probably add on lots of extra terrain too if I could. Or if they just let you add on terrain items that would be great too, I'd probably double my pledge if they did that. I love their battlezones

Terrain only pledge is coming, that'll generate a good few $$$.

Plastic molds or not. We raised 25k in the DZ1 for a metal model add-on. It doesn't cost 25k to produce a single metal model. Maybe that much in Yen.

Mantic has shown a pattern and have lost the benefit of the doubt. It's how they add in "extra" goals half way between totals if things are going slowly. Their goals just dont match up and that's why they are deservedly getting flak. They are known enough at this point they don't need to play us.

Wow. There's a lot of entitlement going on. Yikes.

 pretre wrote:
Wow. There's a lot of entitlement going on. Yikes.

Of course, it's a Mantic KS.

 pretre wrote:
Wow. There's a lot of entitlement going on. Yikes.

I think that entitlement starts with Mantic feeling entitled to our $$$ and entitled to use KS as a pre-order system.

So, yeah, some folks feel entitled to get a damned good deal for their $$$ committed months ahead of their pre-ordered toys being delivered.

I don't think Mantic feels entitled to anything. They put out a kickstarter. They probably figure people will pledge it if they like it and won't if they don't. I know, crazytalk.

edit: I'll let it go, since I think we're probably off topic.

 pretre wrote:
I don't think Mantic feels entitled to anything. They put out a kickstarter. Don't like it; don't pledge.

And that logic should apply to the pledgers (and potential pledgers) too. If Mantic does not want to provide them with what they want value wise for the money they spend, then Mantic does not get their money.

So no entitlement at all here, just folks negotiating a deal. Either the terms end up agreeable to both parties, or not.

You see, dollars spent on hobbies are a luxury. Mantic competes with many other goods and services folks can spend those luxury dollars on. They will gain/lose a share of those dollars based on many things, including the perception of value.

Might take a while to get the initial things sorted (possibly the bonus piece for the veermyn sprue and the mat upgraded to rubber remaining).

After that the KS could get really interesting if they start doing $50k goals for a free sprue of 5 minis ($25k for a sprue, $25k to give it more components seems like the likely stretch goal structure).

So far we know they want to make a second veermyn sprue, and then an extra sprue for each faction (except enforcers). Another 25 minis or so would do very nicely to make things better value.

Getting the mini count high enough early enough to maintain interest and momentum is the tricky part.

Also, I really want to hear something about the rules, especially since I have veermyn minis ready to use for playtesting, and I play DZ every week.

Jake said he hasn't done any work on Infestation so far.

 scarletsquig wrote:
So far we know they want to make a second veermyn sprue

I actually had no idea of this, but it sounds great. Thank you.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Jake said he hasn't done any work on Infestation so far.

Do they have someone else working on it? Or are they just going to try to do it all before the KS is supposed to deliver? Or have they said one way or the other?

They havent said anything so far, afaik. Jake has just mentioned that he hasnt started working on them yet (well, last week anyway). So it seems likely that nothings been done yet. Especially considering the somewhat vague purpose of the KS.

Since it's a reorganisation rather than a rewrite, all they really need is someone to redo the book layout, and that really needs to be someone with a better eye for aesthetics.

Jake is only needed to do stats for the new units, and then the rewritten campaign system. Which is good, because DS needs a hell of a lot of work still, and I think Jake might be the one doing season 5, 6, and 7 for DBO?

Some of it IS being rewritten. It's being reorganized on top of that.


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And this things has stalled, taking a few backer casualties and Mantic is still silent.

I suppose my biggest gripe is they are halfway acting like this is their first rodeo while seeming smug that it'll all turn out smoothly due to the fact their Projects are normally successful.

And it has NOTHING to do with entitlement. We are pledging money for something that isn't worth the amount we are even pledging yet (will be able to get what's on offer cheaper post-KS) with no plan or view in sight as to what we might be really be getting, and no add-ons and frills to help push us past the current goal. There just isn't enough on the front page to really draw backers in who don't alreay have Deadzone. This is just being sloppily done.

Earth Dragon wrote:
There just isn't enough on the front page to really draw backers in who don't alreay have Deadzone. This is just being sloppily done.

I'm a new backer who has no Mantic product at the moment.

I'm drawn in by the following items:
New rulebook + campaign supplement for a system that seems fun and fits in a 2x2 (i.e. on my kitchen table)
HIPS miniatures
Little bit of scenery - apparently soon to be more
Couple of nice exclusive add-ons at the moment

I actually feel it's okay value at the moment. Maybe I've been brainwashed by GW for too long. Obviously, I hope it'll grow and there'll be more stuff than I can possibly paint in my remaining lifespan, but as it stands, it's not too unreasonable. I'm just glad the miniatures aren't PVC.

As far as I'm aware, no rules work has been done on this so far, but the rules will get a major overhaul. Completely new campaign system, core rules changes and army list rebalancing.

Plenty of time to work on it before Jan 2016 though, I imagine I will be very busy.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Some of it IS being rewritten. It's being reorganized on top of that.


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And this things has stalled, taking a few backer casualties and Mantic is still silent.

I suppose my biggest gripe is they are halfway acting like this is their first rodeo while seeming smug that it'll all turn out smoothly due to the fact their Projects are normally successful.

And it has NOTHING to do with entitlement. We are pledging money for something that isn't worth the amount we are even pledging yet (will be able to get what's on offer cheaper post-KS) with no plan or view in sight as to what we might be really be getting, and no add-ons and frills to help push us past the current goal. There just isn't enough on the front page to really draw backers in who don't alreay have Deadzone. This is just being sloppily done.

I honestly have no idea what you're raging about, are you new to Kickstarter? So far nothing out of the ordinary has happened.

I think the value is fine for what you get, and will only get better later as more goals are reached. For me personally though I would rather just get the terrain, so I'm hoping they add that pledge in soon, and then I'll free up my early bird slot for someone that wants the whole game

Well that's the problem. Mantic is doing their ordinary thing, and some of us thought they would have gotten a little better and matured out of some of the antics, but then again, they are still unable to expand any of their games without KS, so I shouldn't be expecting much from them on that front.

Maybe they're waiting for Ronnie to get back from the Con before they unleash hell?

That's my only thought.

I get it if they don't want things to run out of control, but at this point it's pretty much dullsville. Hopefully we'll get those extra accessories in the next day or two, with Wednesday and the terrain only pledge hopefully bringing in more money to get things rolling at a little bit better pace.

 NTRabbit wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
Some of it IS being rewritten. It's being reorganized on top of that.


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And this things has stalled, taking a few backer casualties and Mantic is still silent.

I suppose my biggest gripe is they are halfway acting like this is their first rodeo while seeming smug that it'll all turn out smoothly due to the fact their Projects are normally successful.

And it has NOTHING to do with entitlement. We are pledging money for something that isn't worth the amount we are even pledging yet (will be able to get what's on offer cheaper post-KS) with no plan or view in sight as to what we might be really be getting, and no add-ons and frills to help push us past the current goal. There just isn't enough on the front page to really draw backers in who don't alreay have Deadzone. This is just being sloppily done.

I honestly have no idea what you're raging about, are you new to Kickstarter? So far nothing out of the ordinary has happened.

I'm not a big fan of accepting things because that's the way they are.

 Necros wrote:
I think the value is fine for what you get, and will only get better later as more goals are reached. For me personally though I would rather just get the terrain, so I'm hoping they add that pledge in soon, and then I'll free up my early bird slot for someone that wants the whole game

You dont have too wait for long.

We’ve had a fair few emails asking how people can just pledge for the scenery and we’re pleased to say that we will have a scenery-only pledge coming in this week’s Add-on Wednesday. Stay tuned!

I hope we get something to spice things up before Wednesday, otherwise it looks like we'll have spent a quarter of the campaign making "two steps forward one step back" progress just to get stretch goal #6.

Mouse pad mats now available as an add on:

Update 8 wrote:Today we’ve got an optional deluxe option available for you to add-on to your pledge if you would like to. This deluxe mat is made of durable mouse-mat like material, and has a non-slip backing, making it resistant to the rigours of gaming. The mat is available in two varieties: singles for standard 2’x2’ games, and as a bulk deal for multi-mat and multi-player games.

I was hoping one would be included in the pledge.

Whoooosh!
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Short Version: Deluxe Gaming Mats now available, New Veer-myn Brood Mother Stretch Goal and whoooosh – a special Enforcer preview caps off the update.

Happy Monday everyone!

We are so close to those Industrial Accessories we can almost taste them! So we’re going to take a sneaky look at what’s next.

First up, the core pledges each come with a red planet Alien Gaming Mat representing the mining planet of Exham IV, or whichever planet you might be fighting your Deadzone games on.

Today we’ve got an optional deluxe option available for you to add-on to your pledge if you would like to. This deluxe mat is made of durable mouse-mat like material, and has a non-slip backing, making it resistant to the rigours of gaming. The mat is available in two varieties: singles for standard 2’x2’ games, and as a bulk deal for multi-mat and multi-player games.

The Deluxe Gaming Mat includes a printed 8x8 grid of 3'x3' squares for playing Deadzone

Note that Deluxe Gaming Mats are bulky, heavy items. Depending on where you live and what else you order, they may increase the shipping charge in the pledge manager.

Look out for Add-on Wednesday this week for new Industrial deals and scenery-only pledge levels!
The Veer-myn

One of our key focuses with this campaign is creating the Veer-myn faction. The Veer-myn Night-Crawler sprue is full of options, including components to build Stalkers with pistols and hand weapons and Night-Crawlers with rifles, plus plenty of heads and bits of equipment to make every soldier unique.

Also included on the sprue is a Malignus heavy-weapons specialist.

The Maligni pathology and chemistry permeate Veer-myn culture. It is thought that hormones play a major part in deciding what caste a Veer-myn will belong to, and evidence suggests pheromones are a central element in Veer-myn language. For this reason the social caste of the Maligni are one of the highest bands within a brood’s structure. It’s through the chemistry experts of the Maligni that the Veer-myn cultivate the viruses which act as their first strike weapons. Whether these are created artificially, or form part of the Veer-myn natural biology is not known. What is known is that the Maligni also act as the brood’s engineers, and are responsible for the creation of the Ray-Guns and Chem-Throwers, as well as the more esoteric machinery such as the armour worn by the Brood Mother.

A Malignus wields the Veer-myn’s more potent heavy weapons as well as other experimental devices in their arsenal.

As you can see, there is a great amount of choice on this sprue and we’ll be posting up a full list of contents in the week. Which leads us on nicely to our new stretch goal...

Later in the campaign we want to fund a brand new hard plastic sprue for the Veer-myn, in addition to the Night-Crawlers. The intention is to include anything we make in hard plastic free in Quarantine.

To supplement these hard plastic options, we’re will also be producing a range of leaders and specialists in metal, ensuring that there are plenty of options to choose from when building your faction - starting with the Brood Mother.

NEW! Stretch Goal: Optional Add-on $185,000 Veer-myn Brood Mother

Brood Mothers are the matriarchs, the one binding factor relating every member of a Veer-myn brood, for it is through her that every member is related. It is unusual to see a Brood Mother in direct combat. The purpose of conflict is usually to protect her at all costs, as without her there is no brood. However in the direst circumstances the Mother may take to the field, urging her brood onto feats of extraordinary savagery in their need to protect her, and laying into any enemy who come within striking distance with the ferocity of a mother bear.

If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce the Veer-myn Brood Mother, a Veer-myn Matriarch equipped with Maligni-forged armour and weapons. Her battlefield role is predominately defensive and based on buffing her troops.

This commander figure will be available in metal as an individual add-on for $10.
And finally – whooosh!

The next stretch goal is for a new set of hard plastic miniatures free in Quarantine – excited?


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Upping my pledge $20 for a mat.


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So broodmother will be $10 and jetbike hips will be free with quarantine.

Full text of update:

Short Version: Deluxe Gaming Mats now available, New Veer-myn Brood Mother Stretch Goal and whoooosh – a special Enforcer preview caps off the update.

Happy Monday everyone!

We are so close to those Industrial Accessories we can almost taste them! So we’re going to take a sneaky look at what’s next.

First up, the core pledges each come with a red planet Alien Gaming Mat representing the mining planet of Exham IV, or whichever planet you might be fighting your Deadzone games on.

Today we’ve got an optional deluxe option available for you to add-on to your pledge if you would like to. This deluxe mat is made of durable mouse-mat like material, and has a non-slip backing, making it resistant to the rigours of gaming. The mat is available in two varieties: singles for standard 2’x2’ games, and as a bulk deal for multi-mat and multi-player games.


The Deluxe Gaming Mat includes a printed 8x8 grid of 3'x3' squares for playing Deadzone




Note that Deluxe Gaming Mats are bulky, heavy items. Depending on where you live and what else you order, they may increase the shipping charge in the pledge manager.

Look out for Add-on Wednesday this week for new Industrial deals and scenery-only pledge levels!

The Veer-myn

One of our key focuses with this campaign is creating the Veer-myn faction. The Veer-myn Night-Crawler sprue is full of options, including components to build Stalkers with pistols and hand weapons and Night-Crawlers with rifles, plus plenty of heads and bits of equipment to make every soldier unique.

Also included on the sprue is a Malignus heavy-weapons specialist.

The Maligni pathology and chemistry permeate Veer-myn culture. It is thought that hormones play a major part in deciding what caste a Veer-myn will belong to, and evidence suggests pheromones are a central element in Veer-myn language. For this reason the social caste of the Maligni are one of the highest bands within a brood’s structure. It’s through the chemistry experts of the Maligni that the Veer-myn cultivate the viruses which act as their first strike weapons. Whether these are created artificially, or form part of the Veer-myn natural biology is not known. What is known is that the Maligni also act as the brood’s engineers, and are responsible for the creation of the Ray-Guns and Chem-Throwers, as well as the more esoteric machinery such as the armour worn by the Brood Mother.


A Malignus wields the Veer-myn’s more potent heavy weapons as well as other experimental devices in their arsenal.

As you can see, there is a great amount of choice on this sprue and we’ll be posting up a full list of contents in the week. Which leads us on nicely to our new stretch goal...

Later in the campaign we want to fund a brand new hard plastic sprue for the Veer-myn, in addition to the Night-Crawlers. The intention is to include anything we make in hard plastic free in Quarantine.

To supplement these hard plastic options, we’re will also be producing a range of leaders and specialists in metal, ensuring that there are plenty of options to choose from when building your faction - starting with the Brood Mother.

NEW! Stretch Goal: Optional Add-on $185,000 Veer-myn Brood Mother

Brood Mothers are the matriarchs, the one binding factor relating every member of a Veer-myn brood, for it is through her that every member is related. It is unusual to see a Brood Mother in direct combat. The purpose of conflict is usually to protect her at all costs, as without her there is no brood. However in the direst circumstances the Mother may take to the field, urging her brood onto feats of extraordinary savagery in their need to protect her, and laying into any enemy who come within striking distance with the ferocity of a mother bear.



If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce the Veer-myn Brood Mother, a Veer-myn Matriarch equipped with Maligni-forged armour and weapons. Her battlefield role is predominately defensive and based on buffing her troops.

This commander figure will be available in metal as an individual add-on for $10.



And finally – whooosh!



The next stretch goal is for a new set of hard plastic miniatures free in Quarantine – excited?

$10 for a single model seems like a lot . Oh well not very interested in veer myn anyway but I'm guessing we will see a few more of these options before the campaign is over. Kinda bummed about metal characters but I must be the only person who preferred restic to it.

All right. Mantic threw up some add-ons

$10 for a largish metal model isn't a lot imho. I pledged for it and 2 mats.

Enforcer jetbike?! In the words of Rocket Raccoon....

"Oh....YEAHHHH..."



Who wants to start a pool for how many I get?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Enforcer jetbike?! In the words of Rocket Raccoon....

"Oh....YEAHHHH..."



Who wants to start a pool for how many I get?

$10 says you buy enough to fill a pool.

Looks like they updated the amount of terrain you get in the pledge as well.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Think the raised pricing might be a factor slowing things down, or at least preventing people from going nuts with it.

Kings of War Kickstarter: $15 for 20 HIPS minis.

Deadzone Infestation Kickstarter: $10 for 5 HIPS minis.

Bit of a difference in pricing there there (62.5% to be precise). The new KoW sprues have multiple build options just like the new Deadzone ones too.

I just can't see $10 for 5 being the price of the basic veermyn infantry when Warpath launches, even at retail pricing, never mind KS pricing. The restic ones are roughly the same price and you can buy them now (or cheaper from discount internet retail that wants rid of them).

Yeah, the pricing is really out of control. Last campaign, I didn't buy many minis at $10 for 5 because I was sure later discount retail would be pretty much the same. Then I saw their daffy MSRPs and pretty much gave up on the idea of building bigger armies.


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 pretre wrote:
Wow. There's a lot of entitlement going on. Yikes.

I, too, enjoy trivializing and belittling people with different opinions.

Can't believe all these whiners want rules and terrain instead of more dog drones. Talk about selfish spoiled brats. Am I doing it right?

 pretre wrote:
Wow. There's a lot of entitlement going on. Yikes.

Thank you for saying what I was thinking.

Either it's worth it to you, or it's not. But this brave new world has warped a lot of people's expectations.

BAH!!! The rubber mats are an add-on. I was hoping (and still am) that they were going to include them in the main pledge.

I'll go $30 for a metal rat and a rubber mat...

I'd be all over those mats if they didn't have the grid on them...

~iPaint

 -iPaint- wrote:
I'd be all over those mats if they didn't have the grid on them...

~iPaint

I was thinking the same thing - but then it was a bit unrealistic of us to think that would happen as these are for Deadzone after all!

 judgedoug wrote:
What we should clamor for is short $5k stretch goals for free restic models.
We all loved the Basilean Sisters and KoW Trolls right?

Oh and lots of add ons and ability to switch things around.
Because that's always worked perfectly!

That was their first KS quite a few years ago, Doug. Neither they nor we knew how it all worked. While I'm not involved in the commentary on this one, throwing in some irrelevant straw men doesn't help either way.

This is interesting . . . it looks like "free" personality figures bundled into Quarantine will be resin (at least the first 2 are, Blaine and Piper), whereas the add-on character models will be metal. I guess that makes some sense in terms of the economics of casting?

I'm pretty pleased with that pattern if it holds. I'd certainly rather have resin figures bundled into my Quarantine pledge than metal ones. If metal prices are pretty close to retail (i.e., if human-scaled figures are $8, as they were for Deadzone) I may just let those fall by the wayside for now.

I'm upping for one martian mat for now.

Interested in the Martian mat for Mars Attacks more than Deadzone.

Enforcer Jetbikes are looking great, I did know they were coming, but didn't expect them in this Kickstarter... the kit should be able to build variants with different heavy weapons and commanders too, so it'll be just as versatile as the peacekeeper sprues.

Not entirely sure, but think it might be 3 jetbikes per sprue.

The Enforcer bikes look great.

@Scarlet Squig - since you've been talking about KS price points, I'm curious what price point would make Enforcer jetbikes worthwhile to you as an add-on?

(I know Quarantine will get some free, but I think a number of us are considering adding more on after that.)

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Enforcer jetbike?! In the words of Rocket Raccoon....

"Oh....YEAHHHH..."



Who wants to start a pool for how many I get?

And don't forget extra scenery so you can build that racing track

Welp, after seeing GWs Mechanicus, I'm going down to $1 on this one. It has also been quite underwhelming so far, and I think the rat sculpts are ugly as sin compared to Skaven. Love the Pathfinders, but I can piggyback on a friend for those.

Enforcer jetbikes are 1 per sprue but they haven't indicated how many will be added to Quarantine yet.

The mats definitely won't be added to Quarantine paid add on only.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Enforcer jetbike?! In the words of Rocket Raccoon....

"Oh....YEAHHHH..."



Who wants to start a pool for how many I get?

And don't forget extra scenery so you can build that racing track

^^^ Darn you!!! As if I don't get up to enough shenannigans on my own..
As my Pops would say, "don't encourage the boy."

Mymearan wrote:
Welp, after seeing GWs Mechanicus, I'm going down to $1 on this one. It has also been quite underwhelming so far, and I think the rat sculpts are ugly as sin compared to Skaven. Love the Pathfinders, but I can piggyback on a friend for those.

I also suspect you'll be able to just keep your $1 pledge and buy as many sprues of 5 as you want for $10 each.

I just noticed that the weapon on the Jetbike's undercarriage is different in the two scans, suggesting that it can be switched around. Nice.

Dammit, up to 185.

If jetbikes go $5 each, expect me to buy 15.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
If jetbikes go $5 each, expect me to buy 15.

Step 1: Admit you have a problem.

To be fair though, I think I'd go pretty deep if they did nice $5 jetbikes. If nothing else, that's a great counts-as setup.

$5 is my hope as well. I know they won't be that at retail, but they also will want to stay under GW at $15 a bike (which I just won't touch) for their retail price... so being less than that, and also kickstarter priced... hopefully.

Even if it's in a reasonably large bundle, like $30 for 6 bikes, I hope we see them as low as $5.


I'm a bit torn though, as cool as (jet)bikes are, painting them is about 3x as much work as a normal space trooper.... still pretty awesome though.

I was a bit meh on the jet bikes until I saw the renders with the pilot, and now I'm all about that.

I like the idea some ine had about separate pilots on foot. A mechanised mounted infantry Enforcer Regiment would be fantastic.

I love that they are compatible with the existing hard plastics.

That's pretty neat.. I mean I guess we could add the energy fists, combat blades, and or pistols to better emulate 40k models. Mine will probably mostly be focused on driving and gunning people down with the superior under-mounted weaponry.


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Huh... now I want to see if I can get some sitting enforcers out of my collection, those more awkward legs, maybe do some swapping of the two running pairs to get sitting legs and then pop them into landspeeders or similar

 timetowaste85 wrote:
If jetbikes go $5 each, expect me to buy 15.

If jetbikes go $5 each, I'll be astonished. And so will my wallet.

So far, they are the best thing going for this kickstarter. My money is on $10 to $15 per jetbike. Or, I suppose it isn't.

Huh.. I like the jetbikes but unless they are stupid cheap I will just get them from a discount retailer later. There are tons of companies making jetbikes so if the retail is stupid high I can just go that route.

I'll agree with the conservative side of things here... I want those bikes but... I won't pay space marine bike prices for sight unseen bikes, as I won't pay it for space marine bikes as it is

I mean... I realize that the enforcer bits basically already exist and I'm happy enough with those... but, there's a lot of room for error on those bikes and I can effectively get infinity bikes for $15 a piece considering discounts and bundles.

I'm guessing 3 for $20-$25.

Is also like to add this is really a stretch of a unit for Deadzone. If Mantic wanted to fund Warpath stuff, do a warpath KS. Don't infuse your skirmish Campaign game with units that have little business being there.

Here's hoping they fix the bike rules and perhaps limit their use to larger maps or something (or make it not worth it to use unless on larger maps).

Some resin crashed jet bikes would be a good terrain piece.

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Some resin crashed jet bikes would be a good terrain piece.

I'd get that suggestion in on the KS comments.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Some resin crashed jet bikes would be a good terrain piece.

I'd get that suggestion in on the KS comments.

Where it will be immediately drowned out by a torrent of inane chit-chat, discussions of whose country has the largest (metaphorical) penis, and a thorough analysis of GW's Skitarii.

Earth Dragon wrote:


Is also like to add this is really a stretch of a unit for Deadzone. If Mantic wanted to fund Warpath stuff, do a warpath KS. Don't infuse your skirmish Campaign game with units that have little business being there.

Here's hoping they fix the bike rules and perhaps limit their use to larger maps or something (or make it not worth it to use unless on larger maps).

This is what I was thinking. Something as quick as the jet bike looks to be goes way too fast for a skirmish on a DeadZone map. If moving slow it is nothing but a big target above much of the cover. And since the Pathfinders are a bit light as a force, if we HAVE to have one, I would like to see a pathfinder version (jet bikes make better recon platforms than they do transportation for Enforcers anyway).

And I have to laugh when I see the sleek speedy high tech design of this while they give me the blocky short-legged Robot Dog.

They are gonna re-explore the dog.

.... said the actress to the bishop.

 Vermonter wrote:
@Scarlet Squig - since you've been talking about KS price points, I'm curious what price point would make Enforcer jetbikes worthwhile to you as an add-on?

(I know Quarantine will get some free, but I think a number of us are considering adding more on after that.)

If they can fit one on a regular sprue, then $5 for the sprue sounds good. Think they'll make them $10 or 3 for $25 though, with the way things are going.. not sure if the add-ons are offering any % discount over the eventual RRP at this point, which is unusual.

I don't mind a raised price point as long as some better quality emerges with it. The Enforcer sprues were great, but difficult to assemble, ball and socket join on the legs made things much more difficult than the peg and hole joint legs on the forge guard.

At the moment the sprues are not matching GW level in quality and options, again as an example the Enforcer sprue doesn't have all the special weapons on it, whereas a modern GW sprue would.

They still have a lot more work to do before a major price increase is justified in comparison to their competition.

 CptJake wrote:

This is what I was thinking. Something as quick as the jet bike looks to be goes way too fast for a skirmish on a DeadZone map. If moving slow it is nothing but a big target above much of the cover. And since the Pathfinders are a bit light as a force, if we HAVE to have one, I would like to see a pathfinder version (jet bikes make better recon platforms than they do transportation for Enforcers anyway).

The comments say the jetbike is more meant for multimat games, a bit like how the Walkers don't really fit on one mat and some of the support weapons have a range longer than a mat edge.

Yep I think we're looking at 1 jet bike sprue added to Quarantine and $10 each as add ons to keep the sprue prices consistent. Hopefully 3 for $25

I don't mind the dog in a vacuum (it probably minds though!), but in light of the bikes.. it probably is a wee bit too clunky.

I also wanted pathfinder bikes.

I'm ok with warpath bikers showing up here though, as it means I get to paint them sooner! But yeah, gonna be kinda hard to use effectively in DZ.

Also if the jetbikes are $10, screw it. That's a bit much. Would it really use much more plastic than a sprue of 5 zombies? That would also mean that they'd either be the same at retail or they'd be straight-even with GW's horrendously expensive bikes. Might just be something I skip until miniature market clearances them out some day.

Pathfinders already have a bike, we got her in the first campaign!

I know, I have one, but I just figured since we were kind of doing a pathfinder-based story for the campaign we'd get more pathfinders... Enforcers already have jet packs, and while they aren't meant to be Iron Man style flight suits, the bike almost sees a tad redundant on them, whereas it makes sense for scouts who both scout, and don't seem to have jump packs.

Meh, I'll reserve judgement I guess... but depending on the bike prices, I think I'm gonna be as put off as a lot of people hereabouts pretty soon.

In good news, I finally got the sprue of Forgeguard I was owed, plus a bag of sweets and a couple of extra sprues. I was more happy at the sweets than the extra models.

That's a good point Grimdork. Enforcers/Peacekeepers were 2 sprues for $10 where as a jet bike should fit on a single sprue but I still don't see them being $5 each - we can hope

Lol you got a bag of sweets for having your stuff come in late? They missed my entire wave 1 shipment, sent it 2 months later, and it was still incomplete when they did (as they were out of things). Plus no extras, but oh well, they eventually got me what I paid for.

I guess their CS dept. has stepped up it's game

 DaveC wrote:
That's a good point Grimdork. Enforcers/Peacekeepers were 2 sprues for $10 where as a jet bike should fit on a single sprue but I still don't see them being $5 each - we can hope

The cost of a plastic sprue is determined by the size of the sprue, and by the intricacy required to machine what is on it, not how many soldiers it has, because that price comes from the machine hours it takes to mill the steel block.

[user]

 GrimDork wrote:
Lol you got a bag of sweets for having your stuff come in late? They missed my entire wave 1 shipment, sent it 2 months later, and it was still incomplete when they did (as they were out of things). Plus no extras, but oh well, they eventually got me what I paid for.

I guess their CS dept. has stepped up it's game

A very small bag...

Bwahaha don't feel bad, if they're doing more to engender customer goodwill, then more power to them!

Good point NTRabbit, but I still say if they're significantly more expensive compared to the number of them I'd be getting, I can't reconcile the cost difference internally and will only get a couple. I guess we'll see, plenty of other things I'm interested in for this one anyway.

Yeah, at $10 each, I'd buy enough for a squad of 5 (so 4, if we get the free one in quarantine). At $5 each, I'll buy enough to have 3 squads of 5. So 14, really. Mantic gets more money from me if they're cheaper and I get more minis, and they get less money from me and I buy less if they're more expensive. Ball's in their court.

I would guess 3 per sprue for $15.

I thought they already said 1 per sprue?

 GrimDork wrote:
I don't mind the dog in a vacuum (it probably minds though!), but in light of the bikes.. it probably is a wee bit too clunky.

I also wanted pathfinder bikes.

I'm ok with warpath bikers showing up here though, as it means I get to paint them sooner! But yeah, gonna be kinda hard to use effectively in DZ.

Also if the jetbikes are $10, screw it. That's a bit much. Would it really use much more plastic than a sprue of 5 zombies? That would also mean that they'd either be the same at retail or they'd be straight-even with GW's horrendously expensive bikes. Might just be something I skip until miniature market clearances them out some day.

Common model price point. Charge less for mass troops. Charge more for units fielded in smaller quantities. They couldn't afford to do the zombie deal for everything. The zombies were being sold for less then $3 a sprue. They have to fund shipping, tooling, development, wages.....if you aren't gonna sell a boat load, you naturally have to up the price.

 CptJake wrote:
I thought they already said 1 per sprue?

Yes confirmed in the comments last night 1 per sprue

I think a lot of the point of this KS is laying groundwork for the Warpath KS, so that there is an army deal ready for Enforcers when it launches, and that other factions at least have one unit in place for the KS to build upon.

4 kits in hard plastic for the faction in place prior to launch, have the inital KS goal for Warpath be a cool Enforcer vehicle (possibly the Wyvern dropship?).. and then that's a whole faction with enough unit variety for a massive mega army deal right off the bat. From there, the structure of the KoW 2 Kickstarter becomes possible, gradually filling out the different armies that can be chosen with new units.

From the perspective of improving Deadzone, the mini range is already mostly complete, it's the rules which need a lot of work, and that's the best thing which will come out of this KS, an updated rulebook that makes the game much better.

Earth Dragon wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I don't mind the dog in a vacuum (it probably minds though!), but in light of the bikes.. it probably is a wee bit too clunky.

I also wanted pathfinder bikes.

I'm ok with warpath bikers showing up here though, as it means I get to paint them sooner! But yeah, gonna be kinda hard to use effectively in DZ.

Also if the jetbikes are $10, screw it. That's a bit much. Would it really use much more plastic than a sprue of 5 zombies? That would also mean that they'd either be the same at retail or they'd be straight-even with GW's horrendously expensive bikes. Might just be something I skip until miniature market clearances them out some day.

Common model price point. Charge less for mass troops. Charge more for units fielded in smaller quantities. They couldn't afford to do the zombie deal for everything. The zombies were being sold for less then $3 a sprue. They have to fund shipping, tooling, development, wages.....if you aren't gonna sell a boat load, you naturally have to up the price.

Perhaps they should try to sell the boat load. Besides, is a KS campaign really the place to use higher prices to counter unit effectiveness instead of, say, rewarding the backers with a good deal on what they want?

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Earth Dragon wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I don't mind the dog in a vacuum (it probably minds though!), but in light of the bikes.. it probably is a wee bit too clunky.

I also wanted pathfinder bikes.

I'm ok with warpath bikers showing up here though, as it means I get to paint them sooner! But yeah, gonna be kinda hard to use effectively in DZ.

Also if the jetbikes are $10, screw it. That's a bit much. Would it really use much more plastic than a sprue of 5 zombies? That would also mean that they'd either be the same at retail or they'd be straight-even with GW's horrendously expensive bikes. Might just be something I skip until miniature market clearances them out some day.

Common model price point. Charge less for mass troops. Charge more for units fielded in smaller quantities. They couldn't afford to do the zombie deal for everything. The zombies were being sold for less then $3 a sprue. They have to fund shipping, tooling, development, wages.....if you aren't gonna sell a boat load, you naturally have to up the price.

Perhaps they should try to sell the boat load. Besides, is a KS campaign really the place to use higher prices to counter unit effectiveness instead of, say, rewarding the backers with a good deal on what they want?

How many gamers only buy exactly what they need for the minimum playable army?

I ask because that sure doesn't sound like anyone I know. However, I do know a lot of people who will spend a lot more on products with an attractive price point. People who need, say 0 zombie survivors, will buy both kits from WGF because the value is there. Then they'll buy more for the guns. Totally not talking about me.

Anyway, you are saying mantic should use GW pricing rubrics on a Kickstarter when people are already shocked at their horrible price points for the rewards from their previous kickstarter. If you think that's the best way for Mantic to maintain customer loyalty, well have fun with that.

Besides, once the tooling is paid for, additional sprues should be fairly inexpensive to add. One jetbike at $10 doesn't look like a deal, but 2 for $15 or 4 for $20 would make customers happy and invest in a Mantic army that might need some expanding later on.


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I want to add that if Mantic really can't come up with making a new mini at a price that seems fair for its quality, then they shouldn't make the new mini at all. Better to be known for their great undead army deals than their "new stuff is alright, but never buy them retail" reputation.

You aren't gonna buy 16 speeders like you are gonna buy 80 zombies.

The design cost is still the same for the sprue. The packaging is still a similar price for your 2 speeders versus 4 sprues of zombies. You can afford to move them at a lower cost because you are moving more but with the same amount of shipments.

Industrial Terrain sprue contents

Sprue A - 3 in Quarantine



Sprue B - 3 in Quarantine



Accessory Sprue 1 - 1 in Quarantine



Accessory Sprue 2 - 1 in Quarantine

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Jetbikes are $10 each :(



1 added to Quarantine



Jetbikes need a bundle deal

Edit beaten

Does the quarantine pledge come with a sprue or two of regular connectors for the terrain?

Yup, saw the $10. I'll buy 4 on top of my pledge.

Interesting that they value the terrain in Quarantine at $35 I hope they aren't planning to bump the Battlezone costs from $25 as with 2 less sprues and 1 more accessories the current offer is only on a par with the previous KS.

Yeah. I'm not sure I'll even add 1 at that price. Its not a bad price... But it doesn't feel like a kick starter price either. Maybe there will be a decent bundle but meh.

This is something I see being cheaper at retail. I can't see them trying to sell them at the same price as space marine bikes, even as cool as they look... Probably will discount retail for the same price or lower in a bundle.

I dunno I guess the bike is halfway between a sm bike and a landspeeder, enforcers aren't small and its quite long.. Maybe I'm being whiney and $10 isn't that bad...

SM Bikes are $15 each.

There definitely needs to be a bundle deal, though. Even 3 for $25 would be welcome. Buy 2 get 1 would be even better.

Earth Dragon wrote:
You aren't gonna buy 16 speeders like you are gonna buy 80 zombies.

Why wouldn't I? Even if I didn't love the idea of an entirely mobile strike force, the speeders can be converted into drones or BFG-style ships or even mobile weapons platforms. Also, making quite an assumption about how many zombies I'd buy.

It's not like there aren't already plenty of cheap zombies on the market. But who makes HIPS jetbikes? Why, if I wanted some, I'd have to buy them ALL from Mantic, wouldn't I?

However, if 4 jetbikes cost as much as 80 zombies, why would I ever pull that trigger?


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$10 each? Won't be making Manticverse HKs out of them, then.

I must admit I'm finding this ks a bit uninspiring, there was a huge ammount of variety and cool concepts in the previous campaign but it doesnt seem like much is currently being offered this time around.

I think the mousepad matt should have been added to the core pledge, the paper one just looks cheap. The scenery looks good but we haven't really seen that much of it shown off, other than the parts diagram.

if it wasn't for me wanting some of the plastics to start my vermyn force I'd consider dropping out and waiting for retail but I know they'll be cheaper through the ks.

plus I must admit those admech figs are calling for my cash :(

Not feeling this one.

I have zero interest in the Enforcers, and the rubber mat is going to cost extra.

I'll just wait for retail and pick up the Rats when they come out. If my friends ever want to play 2 games of deadzone next to each other, they can't buy their own damn mat and scenery.

I was hoping for a 2 player starter set like the first one, with 2 new factions. It would have been perfect. Having the Enforcers again seems strange to me. Great for existing Enforcer players, but kinda odd for everyone else.

Yeah, I could get the Quarantine level and sell the Enforcers. But some of the feedback from previous Mantic Kickstarters has me worried about getting the right stuff. I don't want to have to hassle Mantic to give me the right stuff that I don't even want.

It's a decent deal for new players or ones that like enforcers.

Looks like $35 is the new price for a battle zone guess I'll have to buy less then as I have set budget for them

Creator Mantic Games 10 minutes ago
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On the scenery, put simply, we lost money on the old Battlezones. The scenery holds tremendous value in that pledge level.

 DaveC wrote:
Looks like $35 is the new price for a battle zone guess I'll have to buy less then as I have set budget for them

Creator Mantic Games 10 minutes ago
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On the scenery, put simply, we lost money on the old Battlezones. The scenery holds tremendous value in that pledge level.

"Value" being a somewhat subjective thing, of course!

But yeah, the bump up to $35 is certainly removing some of the 'value' - is the number of sprues per Battlezone staying the same at least?

It looks like an industrial battlezone is 6 sprues, 2 accessory sets and a connector sprue for $35

versus

original KS 8 sprues, 1 accessory and 1 connector for $25.

I think they're about equal contents wise as the 2 new accessory sprues contain a lot more than the old accessory sprue being 1 sprue and one baggie each.

Well... now... are you sure that the contents of the Outbreak or whatever we're calling the core set is a battlezone? If I recall... the original DZ KS had less than a full BZ in it until almost the very end. I'm not sure I would use the current default box contents as a direct indicator of what will be in a battlezone.

Just a thought.


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Also the original accessory sprue was technically two of the same sprue too, at some point they got individualized and sold as such.. but during the campaign they were just one sprue doubled. So I dunno how *that* compares to the current accessory sprue sizes.. but its a thought.

Update says:

How much scenery is included in Quarantine?

There are six industrial sprues in Quarantine, two accessory sprues and a connector sprue, $35 worth of value at Kickstarter Prices.

if that's not a full battlezone at $35 worth then we're really in trouble

That said a Battlezone might be 6 sprues for $25ish (cut the number of sprues but keep the price like those packs of crisps that get smaller and smaller every year for the same price) plus the accessories for the $35 price point - we'll find out tomorrow one way or another.

I see a single retail BZ is $39.99 from Mantic so about a 10% discount on the new KS price but you can get that or better from an online discounter.

Having a hard time coming to terms with pledging more than a buck on this one too.

The original Deadzone had a lot of value from the get go. 4 factions, scenery, scatter terrain, mercenaries to hire, campaign and level up systems... there was a lot to pull me in from the very get go. I wasn't alone in that, considering how many early bird slots they blew through when the campaign started.

Still looking for that "wow" to pull me in. Maybe it'll be there tomorrow with the add ons.

Anyone unfamiliar with DZ may be similarly struggling to see the potential of the game. All of those old videos are an awful lot to trawl through.

I don't think this ks is for people unfamiliar with Deadzone...

 pretre wrote:
I don't think this ks is for people unfamiliar with Deadzone...

Which, in my opinion, was a bad decision.

looks like Battlezones aren't comparable anymore

Creator Mantic Games 1 minute ago

We're not offering the scenery in the same "Battlezones" format we did last time. There will be two bundles, a low price point one and a larger one, depending on how much scenery you would like to add-on

 Mantic Games 27 minutes ago

We're not offering the scenery in the same "Battlezones" format we did last time. There will be two bundles, a low price point one and a larger one, depending on how much scenery you would like to add-on

so no battlezones?

edit. Ninjad by DaveC

kicktrak for the ks so far

 pretre wrote:
I don't think this ks is for people unfamiliar with Deadzone...

No, totally not the case, it's why they forced the human faction into the starter, so new players can relate!

Im finding hard to stay in on this one because of the value. But didnt Dwarf Kings Quest (or whatever the name is) start of like this and finish with tons of stuff? I'll wait till the end and see what occurs.

Dungeon Saga, they called it, yeah we had a million or something for that one. Not sure I see this doing the same... maybe something along the lines of MA or DBX if they hit the gas soon.. but dunno about DS success rate. OFC Dungeon saga was a boardgame for reals and that usually draws a larger crowd. Also they opened up some KoW stock as well as having large hard plastic units available on the cheap.

So far this isn't even a KS for existing DZ players, it's a KS for Warpath Enforcer players.

Never mind anyone new to DZ - they would be better off buying the current starter set at retail.

At this rate (unless theres a big jump with the terrain pledges tomorrow) I dont see the brood mother getting funded till tomorrow, and the jetbikes till the end of the week.

I was really hoping for plastic plague troopers before the end of this ks, but if they need a 25k goal it's probably unlikely.

Hopefully the terrain becoming available to add on and pledge for will give us a boost. I'm sure Mantic will shoehorn all they want to make in there somehow. A lot of the time it seems they just say "Hey! X is now available! No SG needed!" for some reason...

It seems every time Mantic runs a KS, people complain about a lack of value in the early stages. Give it some time. The value will be there.

overtyrant wrote:
Im finding hard to stay in on this one because of the value. But didnt Dwarf Kings Quest (or whatever the name is) start of like this and finish with tons of stuff? I'll wait till the end and see what occurs.

They dont really compare. For one, DS was faaaar faster. A stretchgoal per day even on slow days. DS is a boardgame, so you get a larger audience right away. Better yet, its a dungeon crawler, which promised things not common in DCs (ai heroes for instance). DZ:I in comparison really just seems to focus on people who already know DZ. The whole campaign feels kind of half-assed. They didnt start with hard goals, they didnt have a video, the value is still pretty bad, and the KS exclusives arent all that great either. DS had additional scenarios, additional heroes...
And it doesnt look like this one is going to blow up any time soon.

I was a Deadzone backer to the tune of $300-$400 or so between the KS and the surveys. A fair chunk of change, though certainly not as big as some.

I didn't, and won't back this KS. Mantic's lazy and sloppy ways since then have completely turned me off of them and their business model. If I pick up anything (doubtful), it will be at retail.

Don't play Deadzone, but this is the format I would've liked for their 2nd Dreadball KS.

Re-do the rulebook, streamline, clarify and iron out the odd balance-issues. Move selected teams to hard plastic. Offer one or two new shinies, a new mat/board. Don't try to push an entire new weird game on me.

Hopefully we can forget about DBX and get a Dreadball 2.0 KS in this format.

I still see Deadzone as a bit of a board game. It certainly isn't a full on skirmish/ tabletop game.

I don't know how to describe it. Complacency? Laziness?

Mantic's other campaigns, they were really trying to drum interest up. Thing like Deadzone week, video tutorials and how to plays, the scrambled twitter transmissions, interviews, unboxings... we didn't see a whole lot of that this time around, or at least not anywhere near as intense.

Which is an unfortunate way to start things off.

Rest assured- Mantic will have this campaign end where they want it to, and if that means piles of add ons, surprise stretch goals, crazy box bundles, we'll see them.

No matter how impatient all of us are- myself included.

I've a feeling with Ronnie being at Adepticon and most likely traveling right now this has been left on auto pilot to a plan they set out in the last few weeks and there is no one around to authorise a change. $3,000 today must show them something isn't right and the total is yoyoing around the same point without gaining much headway. I'd have expected the Brood Mother to have been unlocked today.

The prices being quoted in this KS are so far are little better than discounted retail and it has a lot of people questioning where the value is right now.

overtyrant wrote:
Im finding hard to stay in on this one because of the value. But didn't Dwarf Kings Quest (or whatever the name is) start of like this and finish with tons of stuff? I'll wait till the end and see what occurs.

Dungeon Saga did follow a similar initial trajectory. It didn't do much more than Infestation on its first day and then quietened down a lot. It's worth remembering it didn't break through the mean average daily pledge amount until the last 4 days when things when mental. It's also wroth remembering that initially DS attracted a lot of the same criticisms DZI is getting now.

Dungeon Saga had nearly $100k more after day 5 ($280,387) and never had a sub $10k day.

I'm sure it will all work out in the end

Wonderwolf wrote:
Hopefully we can forget about DBX

Good news, Mantic already has!

Personally, I like the much more violent and unpredictable nature of DBX. That's just me though.

Hopefully when Coach Renton gets home he can rally the team into whipping the crowds up into a fury.

I doubt Mantic want this to go huge, as entertaining for us as massive out of control kickstarters are, for a business regular smaller ones make more sense.

I may actually back down to just the enforcers I want for my enforcer army. I still have days to decide. But beyond things I can get piecemeal, I'm not really being grabbed either.

 dragqueeninspace wrote:
I doubt Mantic want this to go huge, as entertaining for us as massive out of control kickstarters are, for a business regular smaller ones make more sense.

They say they want to fund a sprue for each faction at least. And we're still on the first two factions, so my guess is we're behind their "we get money thrown at us just because" schedule.

I don't know how they'd fund sprues for every faction unless they wanted this thing to blow up big time- or just keep the pot at a steady boil?

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We're at what? Three days? Give it a chance.

Really wanting to be wow-ed as I ended up giving a miss to Mantic's last two campaigns; I didn't really want yet another dungeon crawler and KoW just failed to convince me to go in for anything. DZ is a bit different though since I have huge piles of stuff from it and it slotted into a genre niche I didn't have represented. Heck, I'd think that I'd be in the target demographic since Scarletsquig talked me into spending a month's savings on the first campaign.

I just can't get thrilled about anything other than the bikes, and as has been pointed out that's not really a DZ-friendly thing in general even if they're fairly nifty. I'm not a fan of the rats at all, and the Pathfinders are merely "ok" as models to me. The dog is something that I'm not going to care about since i have something like a dozen DFG MULES around that look more the part. The terrain would be nice, but is it worth the money so far in advance when between this and fulfillment I know I'm spending tons of cash on other games?

Between the crowded KS season in March and the dropping of some rather major competition in the retail world (Armada, AdMech, etc.) this is really not the time to put forth a lack-luster effort in asking for money 9 months in advance, at least if they're aiming for my money (which to be fair, they may not...seems doubtful though). Here's hoping Mantic has an ace up their sleeve that they're saving for the last few days that makes something beyond the $1 "jerk pledge" seem like a good idea to me.

Mantic seems to be more concerned with backer count than money generated. Any time that someone mentions the slow funding they hit back with "The important thing is we gained X backers!"

I dunno. This is my first Mantic KS, but as a dakka lurker I guess I know how these things work. I tried convincing two friends to back as well, they are gamers but not really familiar with Mantic or KS in general. They looked at the price tag and contents of the box and demurred. I tried explaining to them how SG will increase the value but they just looked at me like I was crazy lol. "Dude I'll just buy Icestorm"

edit: guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think this KS would be very appealing (yet) to first-time backers / those not familiar with mantic's KS model

Hmm . . . guess this is how stretch goals will go. 1 free sprue of whatever gets unlocked goes into Quarantine. Meaning among other things that we can probably expect to get one Beast included at some point.

I think someone mentioned this earlier but the real issue with this kickstarter so far is that it seems like more of smaller pre warpath kickstarter rather than a deadzone kickstarter. We have large amounts of basic troops with few specialists, units like jet bikes that are impractical in a standard game early on and some of the specialists we have seen(such as the brood mother) are not included in the base pledge.

 rabidaskal wrote:
I dunno. This is my first Mantic KS, but as a dakka lurker I guess I know how these things work. I tried convincing two friends to back as well, they are gamers but not really familiar with Mantic or KS in general. They looked at the price tag and contents of the box and demurred. I tried explaining to them how SG will increase the value but they just looked at me like I was crazy lol. "Dude I'll just buy Icestorm"

edit: guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think this KS would be very appealing (yet) to first-time backers / those not familiar with mantic's KS model

Pull up one of the older KS projects and they'll have an example of what you'll get. It's that first Dreadball KS project that I used to pull about 12 people into the first DZ kickstarter.

Here's hoping they throw up some of the metal models that never hit retail like the Sorak Swordguy and the Enforcer Fusion Gun tomorrow.

Seems fairly uninspiring so far. I'd be interested in some terrain, bikes, maybe the new mats and a rewritten rulebook, but I can't see the value in this for me at this point, or on any of the above stuff at the prices given - especially for a KS. Better to pick them up from discount retail later. Or to paraphrase Bob - just not bother since I don't need any of it anyway.

I think one of the issues contributing to the poor value is that it's not a boxed game they're selling here. It's a book with a bunch of stuff next to it.

 Alex C wrote:
Mantic seems to be more concerned with backer count than money generated. Any time that someone mentions the slow funding they hit back with "The important thing is we gained X backers!"

I think I can guess a reason why. High backers and low money means that they pay the kickstarter fees on that lower amount of cash and then extend the pledge manager for 6+ months and allow for stretch goals to be hit then when the large number of backers add an extra $5 to $500 bucks to get the extra terrain or 16 jet bikes they always wanted.

If they can save a chunk of cash not going to Kickstarter by doing it this way, I figure someone is going to be happy. That someone is probably in Mantic rather than the target audience for this Kickstarter but...


Of course this is based on my understanding, so I might be missing something.

I'm thinking I'm not going to back this one. I'm pretty disappointed with pathfinder plastics, and the Veer-myn get a solid "meh," from me. That combined with not real specifics of the rulebook changes kind of leave me feeling cold on it.

In what way do you find the Pathfinder plastics disappointing? I'm just curious, because from the painted masters I think they're the best human minis Mantic has ever made - great details, interesting aesthetic, excellent proportions, and proper women minis with aggressive poses rather than cocked leg cheesecake.

 NTRabbit wrote:
In what way do you find the Pathfinder plastics disappointing? I'm just curious, because from the painted masters I think they're the best human minis Mantic has ever made - great details, interesting aesthetic, excellent proportions, and proper women minis with aggressive poses rather than cocked leg cheesecake.

Agreed!

Many people didn't even realise that 2 of the 5 Pathfinders are women. We're so used to boob armour that barely covers anything except the boobs, and cheesy poses, that when something more realistic comes along we don't always recognise it for what it is.

Good move by Mantic, imho.

The proportions are not excellent. Mantic still doesn't seem to understand that armour has to be broader than the body part it's wrapped around.

Yeah. Waists are ridiculous.

 NTRabbit wrote:
In what way do you find the Pathfinder plastics disappointing? I'm just curious, because from the painted masters I think they're the best human minis Mantic has ever made - great details, interesting aesthetic, excellent proportions, and proper women minis with aggressive poses rather than cocked leg cheesecake.

The proportions seem off, and as Mymearan mentioned - the waists are terrible. The armor is a bit off too as Alex said, especially the thigh plates. The aesthetic really is boring to me as well. I thought Mantic did a decent job making "not space marines," with the Enforcers, but these guys are very clearly SM scout knockoffs. From the haircuts to the half-faced gas masks.

I will give Mantic some kudos for making the female model in the group A) Dressed properly for a combat environment B) Reasonably proportioned anatomically, and C) Being positioned in like a combatant rather than a pin-up (looking at you Infinity). And bonus for no "Combat Heels." Those kill miniatures for me, which is a shame because CB makes a lot of female models that I would otherwise like a lot.

You guys do realise the mini with the narrow waist is a woman, and consequently has the narrow waist of an athletic woman, yeah?

 NTRabbit wrote:
You guys do realise the mini with the narrow waist is a woman, and consequently has the narrow waist of an athletic woman, yeah?

The narrowness of the waist should only really be obvious relative to the hips, not so much the chest. Even if wearing body armour on the chest and not the abdomen, you're still not going to get that kind of hourglass shape without restricting the movement of her arms, unless she's wearing a corset.

 Vain wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Mantic seems to be more concerned with backer count than money generated. Any time that someone mentions the slow funding they hit back with "The important thing is we gained X backers!"

I think I can guess a reason why. High backers and low money means that they pay the kickstarter fees on that lower amount of cash and then extend the pledge manager for 6+ months and allow for stretch goals to be hit then when the large number of backers add an extra $5 to $500 bucks to get the extra terrain or 16 jet bikes they always wanted.

If they can save a chunk of cash not going to Kickstarter by doing it this way, I figure someone is going to be happy. That someone is probably in Mantic rather than the target audience for this Kickstarter but...


Of course this is based on my understanding, so I might be missing something.

Well, that and:

1) One of their jobs in managing the Kickstarter is to be as enthusiastic as possible to promote confidence in the product. You wouldn't expect them to go "yeah, we're pretty worried actually", and they will clearly look for anything they can to spin.

2) Kickstarter is a tremendous marketing exercise - it gets people engaged with and talking about a product months in advance of release, and particularly for wargames it's extremely helpful if the game has a ready-made community when it arrives. More backers = a larger community. Even though Deadzone is an existing product, I think that Mantic is hoping to both get existing players to re-engage and to bring in new people (with debateable success, as discussed earlier).

3) A backer that is in for even a dollar has a much, much greater chance of spending at least some money eventually, than someone who isn't in at all. These are the people who are going to be given marketing materials every time an update is posted, and multiple opportunities to add money in the Kickstarter and Pledge Manager. Even if they don't spend a further penny, when the product goes to retail they will at least know a lot about it, and theoretically be more likely to either spend money on it or mention it to friends who might spend money on it.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
You guys do realise the mini with the narrow waist is a woman, and consequently has the narrow waist of an athletic woman, yeah?

The narrowness of the waist should only really be obvious relative to the hips, not so much the chest. Even if wearing body armour on the chest and not the abdomen, you're still not going to get that kind of hourglass shape without restricting the movement of her arms, unless she's wearing a corset.

Aside from being slightly taller, this mini pretty much matches the proportions of the woman triathlete who lives across the road from me, and that's the kind of person I think of when talking about the elite of the elite, enhanced super soldiers.

 NTRabbit wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
You guys do realise the mini with the narrow waist is a woman, and consequently has the narrow waist of an athletic woman, yeah?

The narrowness of the waist should only really be obvious relative to the hips, not so much the chest. Even if wearing body armour on the chest and not the abdomen, you're still not going to get that kind of hourglass shape without restricting the movement of her arms, unless she's wearing a corset.

Aside from being slightly taller, this mini pretty much matches the proportions of the woman triathlete who lives across the road from me, and that's the kind of person I think of when talking about the elite of the elite, enhanced super soldiers.

Does your friend have an equally narrow waist when wearing fully covering body armor?

Mymearan wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
You guys do realise the mini with the narrow waist is a woman, and consequently has the narrow waist of an athletic woman, yeah?

The narrowness of the waist should only really be obvious relative to the hips, not so much the chest. Even if wearing body armour on the chest and not the abdomen, you're still not going to get that kind of hourglass shape without restricting the movement of her arms, unless she's wearing a corset.

Aside from being slightly taller, this mini pretty much matches the proportions of the woman triathlete who lives across the road from me, and that's the kind of person I think of when talking about the elite of the elite, enhanced super soldiers.

Does your friend have an equally narrow waist when wearing fully covering body armor?

I doubt he has seen her in Enforcer pathfinder armor

Hopefully they'll put up the news on the terrain only pledge so I can decide if it's worth following this. I really want to like mantic but the figure sculpts really don't appeal to me (with a few rare enforcer exceptions).

She jogs past me in the street wearing training gear while I'm walking my dog. We're not on a first name basis, I don't feel comfortable asking about her Enforcer armour.

 NTRabbit wrote:
In what way do you find the Pathfinder plastics disappointing? I'm just curious, because from the painted masters I think they're the best human minis Mantic has ever made - great details, interesting aesthetic, excellent proportions, and proper women minis with aggressive poses rather than cocked leg cheesecake.

Look again. The proportions are way, way off. More on this when I get home.

Every miniature thread ends up being about female proportions as of late.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Every miniature thread ends up being about female proportions as of late.

There are females?...

Thinking about dropping down to just the rulebook bundle. Pathfinders are meh, and the Veermyn aren't much better. The jetbike is mostly ok, but way too long.

~Eric

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Every miniature thread ends up being about female proportions as of late.

To be fair, this one was also about the drone's proportions. Which are also bad.

Why people aren't holding on to see what happens when the add-ons come in is beyond me. It just goes to show there is this bit of "what's cool right now" mentality with gamers. Success breeds success with campaigns and stalling breeds stalling. Nothing new there though.

 Taarnak wrote:


Thinking about dropping down to just the rulebook bundle. Pathfinders are meh, and the Veermyn aren't much better. The jetbike is mostly ok, but way too long.

~Eric

I thought about doing this, and maybe adding on a couple of things which may catch my eye. My total spending would still be lower than the big pledge.

BUT I have the previous hard cover, and honestly it is a big disappointment (to me). No title on the spine, the inside is just the separate soft cover books basically stapled together. No combined index or even continuous page numbers. It just reeks of short cut/amateur hour product.

I want to know what this new hard cover is going to be like. If it is more of the same it would annoy me quite a bit.

I've still got my early bird, but that's about all I pledged during the actual campaign the first time around as well.

I too thought this was to fund an easy access beginner's box. Where is it?

Earth Dragon wrote:
Why people aren't holding on to see what happens when the add-ons come in is beyond me. It just goes to show there is this bit of "what's cool right now" mentality with gamers. Success breeds success with campaigns and stalling breeds stalling. Nothing new there though.

It's a stall collapse. There's still time to turn it around with add-ons, but the initial pledge offerings were too sparse and lacked enough extras to entice people to pledge more for.

The other "small and slow" Mantic Kickstarter, Kings of War 2, started out with bundle deals for all their existing armies in addition to the promise of funding the new rulebook and new armies. For some reason, this campaign lacks that - I have no idea why there weren't faction starter deals for every existing faction to give people more to pledge for than just Pathfinder, Ver-myn, and new Battlezone sprues plus a rulebook.

It also doesn't help that coming in as a retail customer and hearing two years of stories from the initial Deadzone backers of getting all kinds of stuff early and how so many are rolling in piles of cheap Enforcer and scenery sprues, I am utterly underwhelmed by $10 single jetbike sprues and the like. Which doesn't even matter yet, as we've spent two days NOT funding the first generally available non-sprue model for the new faction.

It's frustrating, and we're a third of the way into the campaign and Mantic hasn't done much at all to spice things up. It feels like four wasted days, even compared to KoW2. I can understand why people are dropping. I'm tempted, but I was in the DS campaign so I'll keep faith in add-on Wednesdays and hold onto my early bird until the end. But frankly, if I don't see a plastic Plague sprue and/or good deals on existing faction stuff, I'll probably drop out altogether and just pick up the rulebook through my FLGS.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Why people aren't holding on to see what happens when the add-ons come in is beyond me.

Why does Mantic play games with the unlocks that we all know they planned on including in the first place? It just is what folks do with this type of KS that Mantic runs.

 Psychopomp wrote:
I have no idea why there weren't faction starter deals for every existing faction to give people more to pledge for than just Pathfinder, Ver-myn, and new Battlezone sprues plus a rulebook.

Maybe they were trying to stick to the letter of their "restic-free project" promise?

Terrain pledge and add ons are up:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-infestation-sci-fi-skirmish-game/posts

The terrain pledge doesn't come with a mat?

Looks like definite 'Wait For Retail' on the terrain - unless I'm missing something?

 CptJake wrote:
The terrain pledge doesn't come with a mat?

Why would it?

 pretre wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
The terrain pledge doesn't come with a mat?

Why would it?

Why wouldn't it? Isn't a mat part of the terrain?

 CptJake wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
The terrain pledge doesn't come with a mat?

Why would it?

Why wouldn't it? Isn't a mat part of the terrain?

I guess... That's more part of the game though. The terrain only pledge is just terrain.

Updated the first post, pegging the terrain at about $4-5/sprue retail (going off their prices on the webpage)


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Based off the retail, it may be better to just wait for full release on the terrain.

I'm gonna be dropping my Early Bird pledge ($110) and going for the scenery-only pledge instead. I'll wait till later tonight some time. If anyone is desperate to save $5 and wants my spot, PM me and we can coordinate a time so you can try and snatch it up as soon as I switch

 Alpharius wrote:
Looks like definite 'Wait For Retail' on the terrain - unless I'm missing something?

I posted in the comments since I have the same question.

Honestly, A-O W did nothing for me. When the eventual added HIPS Enforcer new items come, that's when I care!! Currently, I'm really excited for plastic bikes and pathfinders. And friggin Blaine!! We'll see if I keep my $110 pledge or drop to just add-ons.

For those who bought the previous battlezone terrain kits, does the amount of plastic bits on the industrial sprues correspond with the number of panels/walls/etc on the previous battlezone sprues?



What are the chances that they'll sweeten the terrain only pledge with extra battlezone sprues from the previous kits? Did they sweeten the previous deadzone terrain pledge with extras as stretch goals?

If the pictures are accurate, the new sprues are about the same, maybe two or three more of the tiny extra bits per sprue.

Old sprues have 4 tiles' worth of stuff, same as new.

http://www.e-minis.net/images/SPRUES-MANTIC-BATTLEZONE.jpg

One old battlezone was 8 sprues (4 each of 2 types) for $25

The new deals are noticeably worse.

And I'm pretty sure on day 1 there was at least one extra 1/4 sized panel shown per sprue. So the layouts aren't even final.