The one thing that's bugging me with the Hedonite Twins are their weird neck earrings. Just big hoops on the side of the head that just seem out of place.
I get that Hedonites have painful hoop piercings, but these just seem random. They're not connected to cloaks or bits of cloth. I thought the Archer's was his quiver at first.
The Slaanesh have a more classic action pose whilst the Lumineth have a more classic static/guarding pose. So the Slaanesh feel a bit more dynamic which might be why some like them more. I think the other aspect is that the Lumineth are "more of the same" of what we've already got - yes there's new things like the owl and the twinsword; but its more of what they've sort of got already vibe; whilst the Slaanesh is mortals on foot which is something we've not had in decades. It's new, fresh and presents ideas and hints at things that could come in the future for Slaanesh Mortals. Already it teases 3 new potential unit types - archers; glaves and beasts.
GaroRobe wrote: The one thing that's bugging me with the Hedonite Twins are their weird neck earrings. Just big hoops on the side of the head that just seem out of place.
I get that Hedonites have painful hoop piercings, but these just seem random. They're not connected to cloaks or bits of cloth. I thought the Archer's was his quiver at first.
From th elook of them I suspect they are actually big hoop earrings. I'll be surprised if they are actually both coming out of the neck.
I wonder if elf mages have contract or something to always stand in dumb poses. Staff in one hand, owl in the other, one leg on rock, no way he can actually cast spells doing all of it at once
The archer is kinda dumb too - legs together on uneven rock at angle for very poor balance, no way she remains standing after loosing arrow. I'd even say they would look better if you actually swapped the poses - mage with both legs together would actually have one less thing to do and her standing on one leg would kind of counterbalance the bow with the other. GW really missed the trick here...
The Lumineth are showing off abnormal elfen grace based on meditating poses. They don't need to brace their legs, they have strength and posture that allows them to stand straight like that.
It's just like how Daughters of Khaine are dancing on the battlefield and basically running around wearing almost nothing because they can bend/dance/leap past enemy blades .
I like the Lumineth models because I dislike elves and these look exactly as they should, stuck up donkey-caves probably failing at everything they do while thinking they are better than everyone else.
Lumineth, I mean the
Swordmaster is nice,
The archer ok,don’t like the bowstring look, even though yes it’s possible for multi stringed now magic or not.
Hammer guy, just the helmet that’s the issue, he’s ok himself.
Mage, not a fan, just like the ones released for the army so far.
The Slaaneshi team are the winners here, but the Lumineth aren't too bad even though they've continued the main releases habit of awkwardly balancing on rocks.
I was so looking forward to this, the box art for the Lumineth looked fantastic but the reality of the models has just left me cold (other than the hammer guy), the Slaneesh look fantastic but just are not my cup of tea.
Both factions seem to have some pretty interesting inspire triggers though and some of the other bits and bobs (like aetherquartz) could be good or at least add a new dynamic.
Range 5 archer is just nuts though! Looking forward to seeing the cards in some detail so we can judge how things will shape up for the next season.
That glaive wielding Slaaneshi is magnificent and not obviously chaotic in any way if you smooth over that one symbol.
The heads on the two helmetless elves just don't look like they're attached right at all.Sit very strangely on the bodies in addition to having weird facial expressions.
Underworlds has suddenly exloded in my town with up to 20 people playing on a Monday night in the last 6 weeks up from 0 in the last 2 years.
I had been buying everything.
The models in the box set.
The elves are IMHO the worst warband aesthetically, and the Slaaneshi are close to the best.
As everyone else says, it is 90% posing for the elves. They have pushed the meditating/fine balance too far and it just looks odd.
I'll probably pass on this starter yet again. Each starter box they come out with for this game and the models keep getting worse.
edit: just looked on the US site and it looks like the nightvault warbands weren't released on their own? Seems odd to me when the models from the original shadespire box are still available.
edit again: It seems the nightvault box is still being sold, so nevermind.
I was planning on this starter set to be my way into Underworlds, but seeing the models makes me think again. I really like the Slaaneshi models, but they really didn't do the Lumineth a good service. They're so awkward and really don't do it for me, especially as I generally like their AoS range.
I feel like the mage and greatswords woman will be saved by kitbashing new heads on them; the archer would do well with a different set of legs; the gracefullness of that post is totally lost with robes and armor on.
Thargrim wrote: I'll probably pass on this starter yet again. Each starter box they come out with for this game and the models keep getting worse.
edit: just looked on the US site and it looks like the nightvault warbands weren't released on their own? Seems odd to me when the models from the original shadespire box are still available.
edit again: It seems the nightvault box is still being sold, so nevermind.
The plan is that the latest season and previous season remain available and in print. So you can buy Nightvault now but it will start to disappear when the new season comes out in the coming months, as will all the season 2 warbands. The Beastgrave starter sets will stay in stock, as will all the season 3 warbands. So at any point there will be a choice of two starters.
The release of the Shadespire starter sets warbands in separate warband boxes was an anomaly - when they made Nightvault they stopped making the Shadespire starter boxes for some reason. But they kept making all the season 1 warbands, so they repackaged the starter set into two warband boxes.
That won't happen with the Nightvault set, as they've just kept it available to buy all year instead. I'd expect them to be mostly gone by Christmas.
(Obviously this is all just about the Underworlds game itself - the minis will be repacked and sold separately if they haven't been already most likely).
Chopstick wrote: Stormcast dude is busted, wizard lv 3 and 3 damage + 1 damage aoe built in spell. The only disadvantage he had is that he had no exclusive upgrade.
That, and the fact he's limited to a niche game mode that will not see a lot of play (definitely not at tournaments and such).
This Slaves to Darkness warband is led by a pair of sisters – one a wizard, the other a warrior. It’s good to see that even amongst Chaos-worshipping mortals seeking to desecrate a living mountain, families stick together.
Bad ass - I already have a "Marauder" version of this with Marakarr Blood-Sky and Theddra Skull-scryer.. now it seems I can have a Chaos Warrior version of that pairing too!
I'm so on board with these folks. Chaos Warriors is the Warband I have been most looking forward to since the game was released and this is the first faction of the three I have been really hoping for to come out (Chaos Warriors, Freeguild, and Deepkin). The models do not disappoint either.....absolutely fantastic.
Between these and the top-notch Slaanesh models in Direchasm, Underworlds is going to be getting a lot of purchases from me soon. Especially if that Seraphon band is as cool as the Chameleon and we get a Deepkin band (which seems pretty likely).
Finally! A warband where the team wizard is not also the leader.
Next thing you know, we’ll have one that has a magic guy, a sneaky guy, a shooty guy, and a punchy guy, who all have different inspire conditions…
This Palpatine looking thing is supposed to be a woman? How?
Though it's pretty funny to see Chaos Warriors of all people to make functional, practical armour for their members. Now if some other factions I won't name could join them in the ranks of not-stupid...
You're kind of late with that, there is already one in SC. Though nice to see it's not one off.
You could easily make more of them, even, with Forge World AoS female head set, but they decided to retire it in favour of more junk without rules no one asked for
What kind of beast do you suppose Slambo Jr has skinned for his cape? Scaly cloak, but humanish hand. Some random chaos mutant? Or maybe something Seraphon? We know they're one of the warbands, so it could be a nice tie in (though I doubt the seraphon will have any purple members.)
I'm definitely getting that warband! With a couple other members from another source, like a couple of Chaos Hounds or maybe the Ungors with bows from the Despoilers, it would also make a great little skirmish group for other rulesets.
GaroRobe wrote: What kind of beast do you suppose Slambo Jr has skinned for his cape? Scaly cloak, but humanish hand. Some random chaos mutant? Or maybe something Seraphon? We know they're one of the warbands, so it could be a nice tie in (though I doubt the seraphon will have any purple members.)
Slaves to Darkness in January, Seraphon in February, March is SOULBLIGHT(!!!!!), April is Bonesplitta Orruks it looks like, May is OSSIARCH BONEREAPERS(!!!!), and June is Idoneth(aka: MINE!!!!).
Another good shot of Khagra's Despoilers:
A heckin' interesting card:
Oh, and one last thing...
A second model from the "Starblood Stalkers" warband!
We won’t say too much more about Kixi Taka right now, but that mysterious sphere in their left hand could have major ramifications for Direchasm
Looking forward to the reveal of that dual-wielding Vampire lady.
Can only wonder what the second half of the year will be.
That’s the 8 warbands.
When did the other seasons starters come?
Direchasm is late releasing right? So perhaps this is getting us caught up again for the schedule?
(I don’t remember them being one a month before..?)
Looking forward to the reveal of that dual-wielding Vampire lady.
Can only wonder what the second half of the year will be.
That’s the 8 warbands.
When did the other seasons starters come?
Direchasm is late releasing right? So perhaps this is getting us caught up again for the schedule?
(I don’t remember them being one a month before..?)
I think the previous starters were in September. They weren’t one a month but they came in pairs every couple of months or so generally.
If the Greenskin Warband is indeed Bonesplittaz, could this image be potentially a member of it?
This might be an old concept drawing for one of the Ironjawz characters, but none of the minis really resemble it. Though I could be wrong and the one with the bird head is what became of that art piece...
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I want to be wrong though. I like the artwork design way better.
Segersgia wrote: If the Greenskin Warband is indeed Bonesplittaz, could this image be potentially a member of it?
This might be an old concept drawing for one of the Ironjawz characters, but none of the minis really resemble it. Though I could be wrong and the one with the bird head is what became of that art piece...
Spoiler:
I want to be wrong though. I like the artwork design way better.
I hope so, if only to see new Bonesplitterz designs that aren't just carried over from 8th ed WHFB, the skull design in the art is really sick.
I love the skink priest, but I'm also disappointed. Underworlds is a great way to update older models, but we've already got a new plastic skink priest and it already looks good. I'm still holding out hope for a Kroxigor though. Or a salamander. (Obviously we'll get quite a few more lizardmen, but a non-priest skink hero would have been nice.)
Vampires would match the rumor engines (and the Shattered Realms books), the Bonereapers have had obvious rumor engines too. Now, do we think the crab claw is going to be for the idoneth band? And are we guessing the other warband is Bonespittaz or Spider riders? I'll happy buy either one
Character types or single models like the Kroc are perfect for Underworlds as it then gives that character use for AoS.
A lone Saudis or skink looks cool but that’s that, I’d rather a new kit for a unit that needs it..
I'm so excited for half of these warbands- slaanesh and lizardmen (if they have a good saurus or two) followed by Vamps and Idoneth. The presumed Greenskins and Boneskins dont do anything for me, at least in terms of the idea of them. Maybe the models will blow me away.
LiftForSwift wrote: Would a gargant team be possible for Underworlds? Just one guy, kinda like Mollog
I recall a Chaos Gargant getting rules for Underworlds inside of a White Dwarf. I'm not counting on a Mega Gargant getting a Warband outside of White Dwarf.
Mega-Gargants are too big, IMHO. The main issue is their base - it spreads way too much on the already limited Underworld map. A "normal" Gargant could do it, especially if they make the miniature so that the base can be more suited to the map's square.
LiftForSwift wrote: Would a gargant team be possible for Underworlds? Just one guy, kinda like Mollog
As others have mentioned, White Dwarf had rules for a gargant. He was like 20 wounds and I think it was multiple warbands vs. him. However, the chances of a dedicated gargant are almost nothing. First, warbands are all $35, which would be a lot cheaper than the plastic gargant, which they are selling normally in groups of two. Second, Mollog is actually pretty "small". Dankhold troggoths have the ability to grow and shrink to fit the size of their environment, so the one we get in Underworlds is way smaller than the regular dankhold troggoth kit, which is closer to giant size. Mollog is bigger than Ogor, but even so. Finally, I'm not sure how well a gargant could even compete. Mollog and the Beastclaw raider have chaf units, squigs and gnoblars, so the player has more options. Squigs can't hold objectives, so I guess a gargant could have special rules where it could "destroy" objectives or something, but gaining glory from anything besides kills may be hard.
I got a 50€ voucher as a gift from colleagues to some LGS that I'll use to get Direchasm. And by the time it arrives I might have given myself the first dose of a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, so by the time the vamps roll around I might to play again.
There's nothing wrong with them, but the red & black chaos set doesn't really suit the Slaaneshi half of the box, which is a bit disappointing given they're one of this season's flagship warbands.
porkuslime wrote: Do we have an idea on price of the starter for Direchasm? Is it likely to be the same as Beastgrave or.. will there be an incremental creep...
Hope its the same.
I'd imagine it will be the same, not because I wouldn't put it past GW to raise the price, but because they already raised the price of Nightvault/Beastgrave from 60 USD to 75 USD and the Warbands five bucks too. Since this was a pretty recent change I imagine at least the starter and the first few warbands will be priced according to this model. Now when we get next year's price increase in the summer it may be a different story.
There really isn't anything else it could be beyond Vampires. The big thing that seems to have kept this nonsense from feeling too feasible was the insistence on "vampirates!!1!" that people keep making because of the crabclaw arm we saw elsewhere.
Well I wouldn’t have included the crab claw in piratical themed rumours.
But the sabres and such all tie together.
It’s the first mention I’ve seen of the crab claw being part of it too just above.
In all seriousness, its a shame that they don't explore some of these mechanics a bit more in the game. Obviously, it'd be impossible to have these tomes and upgrades be depicted for every model in the warband, but things like the Avatar of the Ur-Grub or shadow daemons, or any other fun little fluff blurb in Underworlds could be fun to represent on the tabletop. Like imagine if a model in your warband gets three or more "aspects of the Ur-grub" and you can replace them with this guy
Spoiler:
. Discard their current stat card and replace it with one for the Avatar, or something.
This Slaves to Darkness warband is led by a pair of sisters – one a wizard, the other a warrior. It’s good to see that even amongst Chaos-worshipping mortals seeking to desecrate a living mountain, families stick together.
So they took a generic chaos warrior body and placed a female head on it? That's it?!
Why couldn't they put in an effort to make this warband stand out?
I font think generic chaos would sculpt such bulky armour like that in male and female versions (I say generic as slaanesh is the exception).
This almost says that all the helmeted warriors all along could have been either gender.
I mean...she's wearing heavy plate, it absolutely makes sense she's not looking like a catwalk model. Fortunately GW Is moving away from combat heels and boobplates where not applicable (they make sense for DoK or Slaanesh, not so much for Undivided or Khorne...)
Carlovonsexron wrote: To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men
I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience
Carlovonsexron wrote: To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men
I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience
Need to talk to Isabelle.....
Spoiler:
Nobody else sees that March release having a Terrorgheist skull?
Its possible but hopefully others are right and its Soulblight. Also we have not seen a Scourge warband yet and I guess this could fit...givent the role they are currently playing on both sides of the Morathi campaign.
The new White Dwarf preview mentions a whole article on the Grimscuttle Tribes, who are spider-riding grots from the realm of death. I think that makes another grot warband seem more likely. Personally, I'm hoping for grots instead of more orcs. We already have two orc warbands, and I feel like grots have a lot more interesting avenues they can take than another group of tough, hard-hitting orcs.
Carlovonsexron wrote: To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men
I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience
How exactly might you react if I were to tell you I had?
That said, I haven't and don't intend to, but my initial comment was meant also meant as a joke. I feel like an actual spirited defense of moden womens heels on minis wouldn't take historical considerations into account at all, but rather take on aesthetics. That said, I think the heel aesthetics on minis is dumb
Carlovonsexron wrote: To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men
I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience
How exactly might you react if I were to tell you I had?
That said, I haven't and don't intend to, but my initial comment was meant also meant as a joke. I feel like an actual spirited defense of moden womens heels on minis wouldn't take historical considerations into account at all, but rather take on aesthetics. That said, I think the heel aesthetics on minis is dumb
That would mean you think actual women look dumb in them. Your argument is grounded in theoretical practicality, not aesthetics.
JSG wrote: A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.
What does this actually mean?
She looks like somebody did a headswap onto a male Chaos Warrior and there's nothing that really defines the silhouette - no, that's not the same thing as having boobplate/heels/showing skin, so much as the limitations of the models being so small. Compare the power armour on Sisters to her proportions/the men. Of course if there's any faction that could 'bulk out' her form it would be Chaos, but presumably that's not what they were going for here.
If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.
Doing coreographed stunt after plenty of training for that stunt isn't same as reacting in changing battlefield in most efficient manner.
Must not be very good super human warriors if they don’t train in the war gear. Not that it matters because they’re FICTIONAL SUPER HUMANS. The writing dictates their ability to move on the battlefield, nothing else.
JSG wrote: A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.
What does this actually mean?
She looks like somebody did a headswap onto a male Chaos Warrior and there's nothing that really defines the silhouette - no, that's not the same thing as having boobplate/heels/showing skin, so much as the limitations of the models being so small. Compare the power armour on Sisters to her proportions/the men. Of course if there's any faction that could 'bulk out' her form it would be Chaos, but presumably that's not what they were going for here.
Should there be anything that defines it? Out of any faction, i really don't see STD caring about making form fitting armour. Sister's have a point too it, it's meant to be more feminine for fluff reasons, Chaos has no reason for that. You strap on the armour (or grow it) and then wander off in the direction of the enemy.
JSG wrote: A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.
What does this actually mean?
You have eyes, you know what it means.
No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.
Should there be anything that defines it? Out of any faction, i really don't see STD caring about making form fitting armour. Sister's have a point too it, it's meant to be more feminine for fluff reasons, Chaos has no reason for that. You strap on the armour (or grow it) and then wander off in the direction of the enemy.
I'm pretty sure the fluff is still that Chaos Warrior armour is specifically made for the wearer no? It's a status symbol that they're not running around in loincloths and leather straps. Having armour that's not a few sizes too big for you is actually pretty important.
JSG wrote: A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.
What does this actually mean?
You have eyes, you know what it means.
No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.
He's right though. The existing warriors of chaos from the new Slaves to Darkness start collecting box are a mix of male and female going by the unhelmeted heads, but in all the photos they've built them helmeted and you can't really tell which are which. I *think* the female ones might be subtly slimmer but it's very very subtle
JSG wrote: A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.
What does this actually mean?
You have eyes, you know what it means.
No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.
I'll skip the bad faith argument thanks.
Not seeing the bad faith there - however, I could imply it in a poster who is content to imply and insinuate their position, rather than state it clearly.
Admittedly, "bad faith" and "Chaos worship" kind of go hand-in-hand. Or hand-to-hand, in the case of the model in question.
JSG wrote: A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.
What does this actually mean?
You have eyes, you know what it means.
No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.
Billicus wrote: He's right though. The existing warriors of chaos from the new Slaves to Darkness start collecting box are a mix of male and female going by the unhelmeted heads, but in all the photos they've built them helmeted and you can't really tell which are which. I *think* the female ones might be subtly slimmer but it's very very subtle
If the torsos are all of the same size there isn't any difference regarding to gender.
It's all a bit of a weird concept but I meant that since I know the instructions tell you to use the more feminine shaped faces on certain bodies, I infer that those bodies are the "female" ones.
Dysartes wrote: [
Not seeing the bad faith there - however, I could imply it in a poster who is content to imply and insinuate their position, rather than state it clearly.
Admittedly, "bad faith" and "Chaos worship" kind of go hand-in-hand. Or hand-to-hand, in the case of the model in question.
My guess is 'bad faith' means they're wanting something to be posted they can leap on with a "Oh so you're just a sexist who want to ogle an attractive female model is that it???" At least that's my interpretation from reading the thread.
Billicus wrote: It's all a bit of a weird concept but I meant that since I know the instructions tell you to use the more feminine shaped faces on certain bodies, I infer that those bodies are the "female" ones.
That might have more to do with the stock poses than anything else. I wouldn't be shocked if any head will go on any body when the multi-part release lands.
Good point. It might well be that there's no difference at all - I don't have a dog in that fight, they can do what they like, they look cool to me (wouldn't have bought 'em otherwise)
JSG wrote: A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.
What does this actually mean?
You have eyes, you know what it means.
No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.
I'll skip the bad faith argument thanks.
Not seeing the bad faith there - however, I could imply it in a poster who is content to imply and insinuate their position, rather than state it clearly.
Admittedly, "bad faith" and "Chaos worship" kind of go hand-in-hand. Or hand-to-hand, in the case of the model in question.
If you mean me my position was stated clearly in the first post. The female figures don't look sufficiently female for me to purchase the product. Apparently this was too nuanced.
JSG wrote: A shame. This warband would have been a must buy if the female figures actually looked female.
What does this actually mean?
You have eyes, you know what it means.
No actually, that's why i asked. I can see the unhelmeted one as female, because her face obviously is. If she had the helmet on, i wouldn't have any idea and i like that in army made of barbarian fanatics.
I'll skip the bad faith argument thanks.
What was bad faith about it, pray tell?
First you disagree with me (though strangely omit her sister) saying the figure was obviously female. Then you agree with me, saying changing a single detail renders it's gender ambiguous. It's okay though because you like it.
Apologies, i missed you were talking about her sister too. But yeah, she looks like someone who's been screwing with chaos a bit too long. Most sorcerers tend to end up looking less than human. But the second part of your argument, where did that come from? She takes off her helmet, you can tell it's a woman, if she has it on, then you can't. What's your issue?
If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.
They'd also be fine with wearing shiny speedos only, or while juggling puppies, being super-human and all, but somehow it never comes up, but man will people rally to the defense of heeled combat ladies in 28mm scale
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Apologies, i missed you were talking about her sister too. But yeah, she looks like someone who's been screwing with chaos a bit too long. Most sorcerers tend to end up looking less than human. But the second part of your argument, where did that come from? She takes off her helmet, you can tell it's a woman, if she has it on, then you can't. What's your issue?
That the figure in it's totality doesn't look female enough. Obviously you can justify anything in-universe, but then you're starting with the sculpt and working backwards. The question is of the three implied characteristics of "female chaos sorcerer A" why omit the female part? A woman isn't just a lack of male characteristics after all.
Billicus wrote: He's right though. The existing warriors of chaos from the new Slaves to Darkness start collecting box are a mix of male and female going by the unhelmeted heads, but in all the photos they've built them helmeted and you can't really tell which are which. I *think* the female ones might be subtly slimmer but it's very very subtle
Pretty much how I’m doing it with my Marines. I tend to have every other squad leader or so without their helmet on, and I put some female heads on a few of them, which then implies any number of the helmeted ones could be female as well. Who could really tell thru a full suit of power armor?
If Super Bitch can do that while wearing stiletto heels in real life, I think actual super humans in a fictional setting would be just fine.
They'd also be fine with wearing shiny speedos only, or while juggling puppies, being super-human and all, but somehow it never comes up, but man will people rally to the defense of heeled combat ladies in 28mm scale
Oh I personally don’t care, I just have fun poking holes in peoples silly arguments. Both sides care about muh realism until it goes against their argument.
Nothings stopping GW from producing those minis except for the fact that they wouldn’t sell much! If they stood to make good profit from a Space Wolves marine juggling Fenrisian wolf pups in a Speedo, you bet your ass they’d make it. As it stands, they’re not going to lose much in potential sales from people that refuse to buy fantasy minis in heels and boobplate, so they still make them.
I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?
This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??
At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Apologies, i missed you were talking about her sister too. But yeah, she looks like someone who's been screwing with chaos a bit too long. Most sorcerers tend to end up looking less than human. But the second part of your argument, where did that come from? She takes off her helmet, you can tell it's a woman, if she has it on, then you can't. What's your issue?
That the figure in it's totality doesn't look female enough. Obviously you can justify anything in-universe, but then you're starting with the sculpt and working backwards. The question is of the three implied characteristics of "female chaos sorcerer A" why omit the female part? A woman isn't just a lack of male characteristics after all.
So are you looking for the Stormcast equivalent then? Slimmer frame, solid boobplate etc?
Glad to see that it is the same price as last year. With the awesome warbands on the way and the ridiculous prices of everything else I think underworlds will be my game of choice next year.
AegisGrimm wrote:I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?
This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??
At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.
You could say that but it does contradict what female chaos warriors have looked like for decades. I think the first was John Blanches "Chaos Amazon" which was a kind of response to the chainmail bikini trend in fantasy art at the time. Also, at that point it's like why even make a female model? You could point to any chaos figure and say "oh that one's a woman".
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Apologies, i missed you were talking about her sister too. But yeah, she looks like someone who's been screwing with chaos a bit too long. Most sorcerers tend to end up looking less than human. But the second part of your argument, where did that come from? She takes off her helmet, you can tell it's a woman, if she has it on, then you can't. What's your issue?
That the figure in it's totality doesn't look female enough. Obviously you can justify anything in-universe, but then you're starting with the sculpt and working backwards. The question is of the three implied characteristics of "female chaos sorcerer A" why omit the female part? A woman isn't just a lack of male characteristics after all.
So are you looking for the Stormcast equivalent then? Slimmer frame, solid boobplate etc?
Yeah, that would've been perfect imo. Fingers crossed they redo Valkia.
AegisGrimm wrote: I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?
This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??
At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.
Just look at many (not necessarily all) female body builders as an example of this.
Generally muscles and such grow and boobs don’t. Once in chaos armour, I just don’t think you’d see either way.
Particularly with the fluf Of chaos warriors even back in the old world and their armour etc.
They could have always been women in there too arguably..
As a huge Chaos Warrior enthusiast, I love the new team.
I don't really see the argument for the women to look "more womanly."
Chaos Warriors are basically roided out to be walking walls of muscle bone. I don't think the darks gods particularly care about the sex/femininity appeal of said warriors. Cover that all up with 2 inch thick Chaos plate, chain, and fur, and I don't think you could tell the difference between any male or female. Heck, a large number of Chaos Warriors are heavily mutated under their armor, some have even grown into their armor and can't remove most of it.
AegisGrimm wrote: I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?
This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??
At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.
Just look at many (not necessarily all) female body builders as an example of this.
Generally muscles and such grow and boobs don’t. Once in chaos armour, I just don’t think you’d see either way.
Particularly with the fluf Of chaos warriors even back in the old world and their armour etc.
They could have always been women in there too arguably..
Sabotage! wrote:As a huge Chaos Warrior enthusiast, I love the new team.
I don't really see the argument for the women to look "more womanly."
Chaos Warriors are basically roided out to be walking walls of muscle bone. I don't think the darks gods particularly care about the sex/femininity appeal of said warriors. Cover that all up with 2 inch thick Chaos plate, chain, and fur, and I don't think you could tell the difference between any male or female. Heck, a large number of Chaos Warriors are heavily mutated under their armor, some have even grown into their armor and can't remove most of it.
Carlovonsexron wrote: To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men
I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience
How exactly might you react if I were to tell you I had?
That said, I haven't and don't intend to, but my initial comment was meant also meant as a joke. I feel like an actual spirited defense of moden womens heels on minis wouldn't take historical considerations into account at all, but rather take on aesthetics. That said, I think the heel aesthetics on minis is dumb
That would mean you think actual women look dumb in them. Your argument is grounded in theoretical practicality, not aesthetics.
I'm sure you're trying to make some sort of point, but I don't really understand what it is you're trying to say.
Carlovonsexron wrote: To be fair, heels began as a military (specifically cavalry) fashion for men
I double dare you to wear the 2" wide chunks that were cavalry heels and then try to wear the wibbly-wobble 5"-ers gaming companies love to put women figures in and tell me of your experience
How exactly might you react if I were to tell you I had?
That said, I haven't and don't intend to, but my initial comment was meant also meant as a joke. I feel like an actual spirited defense of moden womens heels on minis wouldn't take historical considerations into account at all, but rather take on aesthetics. That said, I think the heel aesthetics on minis is dumb
That would mean you think actual women look dumb in them. Your argument is grounded in theoretical practicality, not aesthetics.
I'm sure you're trying to make some sort of point, but I don't really understand what it is you're trying to say.
Honestly, I was being a bit contrary with that one. I agree with what you said.
AegisGrimm wrote: I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?
This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??
At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.
Just look at many (not necessarily all) female body builders as an example of this.
Generally muscles and such grow and boobs don’t. Once in chaos armour, I just don’t think you’d see either way.
Particularly with the fluf Of chaos warriors even back in the old world and their armour etc.
They could have always been women in there too arguably..
Sabotage! wrote:As a huge Chaos Warrior enthusiast, I love the new team.
I don't really see the argument for the women to look "more womanly."
Chaos Warriors are basically roided out to be walking walls of muscle bone. I don't think the darks gods particularly care about the sex/femininity appeal of said warriors. Cover that all up with 2 inch thick Chaos plate, chain, and fur, and I don't think you could tell the difference between any male or female. Heck, a large number of Chaos Warriors are heavily mutated under their armor, some have even grown into their armor and can't remove most of it.
Someone had better tell GW.
Spoiler:
That’s exactly the point though.
GW then.
GW now.
Doing things right.
(Valkia also wasn’t a chaos warrior though, there’s a lot more to her in her novel).
Seeing the price from last year's starter set hasn't changed with the new one is nice considering there were legitimate concerns that this would not be the case.
I can't remember if I knew the archer was female (Lumineth one, not the Hedonite), but it's not too hard to tell by the face. Her hands are kinda wonky though; weird stubby fingers.
Loving the Lumineth cards but really hate those models, such a tough place to be... range 5 on the archer is pretty nasty and the hammer guy looks like a right beast!
Beautiful deaths is interesting, when against Gits or similar it will be a gimmie but against 'Spat or Stormcasts it will be hard to get but for 6 glory I cant imagine anyone not picking it for their deck.
GW wrote:There’s no mistaking him for his savage beastmen kin, armed with a viciously hooked sword and enormous pincer claw. With a distinctive silhouette, this large and imposing model still appears lithe and agile. Perhaps his appearance is a taste of things to come…
Please let this be true. Please let the reimagined Slaangors not only come out as a plastic kit, but as big monstrous infantry rather than regular Beastmen sized!
GW wrote:There’s no mistaking him for his savage beastmen kin, armed with a viciously hooked sword and enormous pincer claw. With a distinctive silhouette, this large and imposing model still appears lithe and agile. Perhaps his appearance is a taste of things to come…
Please let this be true. Please let the reimagined Slaangors not only come out as a plastic kit, but as big monstrous infantry rather than regular Beastmen sized!
I think it's confirmed by the video that more are common. The one in the background of Sigvald's vid is in a similar pose, but the horns are more ornate and different. It would be cool if they were a unit, even if they were confined to the unit size of trolls and doombulls
ingtaer wrote: Loving the Lumineth cards but really hate those models, such a tough place to be... range 5 on the archer is pretty nasty and the hammer guy looks like a right beast!
Same - these are the first Underworlds Models I really don't want. I guess I could buy it and sell them.... but yeah.
All could easily be replaced by their AoS equivalent model. Actually the captain model in the Lumineth sentinel and warden kit have a smaller sword similar to one depicted in the card art.
ingtaer wrote: Loving the Lumineth cards but really hate those models, such a tough place to be... range 5 on the archer is pretty nasty and the hammer guy looks like a right beast!
Same - these are the first Underworlds Models I really don't want. I guess I could buy it and sell them.... but yeah.
This is my plan.. hopefully I can move the Lumimiss Elves and their cards on the Worlds Largest Garage Sale..
Preorders are up in NZ. Honestly, the 360 view of the aelves helps the models. Yeah, the wizard's still lacking a neck, but the body isn't bad (and the head is a separate piece, so an easy fix).
Sadly, the rulebook is open to a page that only shows the two confirmed warbands: The Starblood Stalkers and the StD Ravagers. Dang you GW (though, I guess they did more or less reveal the factions for the remaining warbands)
Also, hard to tell cuz the pic is small, but the art looks like one of the skinks has a bird skull helmet/mask
Chopstick wrote: All could easily be replaced by their AoS equivalent model. Actually the captain model in the Lumineth sentinel and warden kit have a smaller sword similar to one depicted in the card art.
If you have the army then an easy swap.
If not buying the individual models needed could cost..
I imagine everyone’s gonna be trying to sell them so prices won’t be as high for them.
Get in quick with the sales!
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I wanted to add the Kurnothi warband to my collection just for fun, but was priced out because I didn't have use for the other components in the Beastgrave starter, and they seemed popular enough that I rarely encountered the band for sale second-hand. Now I'm wanting to add the Lumineth warband to my collection just for fun, so I'm a bit relieved that it sounds like I won't have nearly as much trouble finding those ones for sale! I should keep developing interest in unpopular models...
Watched a few unboxing videos on youtube, but it doesn't look like any of the cards, even the Universal ones, tease the upcoming warband. :/
The manual probably gives a breakdown of whats coming though, so hopefully, we'll know by next week (at the very least, confirmation of what that bone symbol warband is)
GaroRobe wrote: Watched a few unboxing videos on youtube, but it doesn't look like any of the cards, even the Universal ones, tease the upcoming warband. :/
The manual probably gives a breakdown of whats coming though, so hopefully, we'll know by next week (at the very least, confirmation of what that bone symbol warband is)
Yeah. I was pretty bummed by this too (because I’m impatient). I think the bone symbol is 90% Bonesplittaz, but I really want it to be Spider Grotz.
GaroRobe wrote: Watched a few unboxing videos on youtube, but it doesn't look like any of the cards, even the Universal ones, tease the upcoming warband. :/
The manual probably gives a breakdown of whats coming though, so hopefully, we'll know by next week (at the very least, confirmation of what that bone symbol warband is)
Yeah. I was pretty bummed by this too (because I’m impatient). I think the bone symbol is 90% Bonesplittaz, but I really want it to be Spider Grotz.
This. I love me some savage orks, but forest goblins were my first fantasy kit, so they'll always have a special place in my heart. Given that "Air-grots" are most likely are next greenskin faction (they keep popping up in the lore and white dwarfs), I feel like Underworlds is our best bet for new spider riders. I feel like we'll get really weird spider hybrids though (which, to be fair, are present in the current kit and Arachnork), but I'd prefer my spider grotz to be four-limbed and only two eyes.
GaroRobe wrote: Watched a few unboxing videos on youtube, but it doesn't look like any of the cards, even the Universal ones, tease the upcoming warband. :/
The manual probably gives a breakdown of whats coming though, so hopefully, we'll know by next week (at the very least, confirmation of what that bone symbol warband is)
Yeah. I was pretty bummed by this too (because I’m impatient). I think the bone symbol is 90% Bonesplittaz, but I really want it to be Spider Grotz.
This. I love me some savage orks, but forest goblins were my first fantasy kit, so they'll always have a special place in my heart. Given that "Air-grots" are most likely are next greenskin faction (they keep popping up in the lore and white dwarfs), I feel like Underworlds is our best bet for new spider riders. I feel like we'll get really weird spider hybrids though (which, to be fair, are present in the current kit and Arachnork), but I'd prefer my spider grotz to be four-limbed and only two eyes.
Maybe we'll get some Hybrids and some normal Goblins? Maybe just some separate Spiders and grots? Anyway I would personally be happy. I just think the Forest Goblins/Spider Goblins are super cool and a lot more interesting than another orc faction.
lord_blackfang wrote: Ya all know Shieldwolf makes really nice plastic 2000 GW style forest goblins, yea?
...the relevance being?
Really don't know why everyone who struggles to follow a conversation has to point it out.
Do you realize you are posting in the Underworlds thread? A game that is utterly dependent upon the cards that go with the models to both give the flavour and rules for the warband? So pointing out a 3rd party sells appropriate models means absolutely nothing until GW release the warband and introduce the cards.
lord_blackfang wrote: Ya all know Shieldwolf makes really nice plastic 2000 GW style forest goblins, yea?
...the relevance being?
Really don't know why everyone who struggles to follow a conversation has to point it out.
Do you realize you are posting in the Underworlds thread? A game that is utterly dependent upon the cards that go with the models to both give the flavour and rules for the warband? So pointing out a 3rd party sells appropriate models means absolutely nothing until GW release the warband and introduce the cards.
Okay, for those still struggling, I was trying to be helpful to the person who said forest goblins were their first love and were thinking about how new models for them might come about. I'm sorry some people can't follow a tangent even just two posts away without a direct quote, that was my bad, I will take that into account next time, but also maybe consider that some information might be relevant for someone other than you and not immediately jump down my throat.
Oh yeah, and maybe this is relevant to people. I dunno...
Kixi-Taka is also known as the Diviner, and they have brought us an unexpected gift – a glimpse into the future at the warband that will follow the Starblood Stalkers. Thanks, Kixi-Taka!
Skinks look nice, but the Saurus just doesn't do it for me. Mostly due to the feet, they look too compacted instead of splayed like a therapod (and the sculptor seems to have mistaken the dew claw for the iconic raptor claw and positioned it forward for some reason).
Not bad, overall, but definitely more excited for vampires now
I have...mixed feelings about the warband. Always loved skinks and this is a cool look at them. And the Saurus is good too. But they're just...different the rest of the range?
Obviously the lizardmen/seraphon range has a lot of old models that need to be updated. A majority of the core units. So it's not surprising that they don't sync up entirely with the current models.
Like look at the saurus for example. No other lizardman has feet like his. Some have the dewclaw on the opposite side, but he has one on the back of his foot and then the protruding ones on the inside part of his feet. Most have the protruding claw on the opposite side of the foot, like the scar-veteran and the sunblood (both of whom are the "newest" saurus models we got, until now.)
Moving on to the skink, they just looked weird and I couldn't put my finger on it. Until I noticed the ear holes. I'm not going to penalize the older models for this, since new models get more features. But why didn't they give ANY of the new skink earholes? Bastilodon, Teradactyl (potentially), etc, all don't have that feature. The plastic skinkpriest has his covered, so he get's a pass.
It's a shame that the new kits aren't in line with the underworld team. The skink warriors and chameleon skink models may get replaced, but the "newer" kits won't. I guess you could green stuff on ear holes, but still :/
I love the armour and weapons of the new lizardmen, but I don’t think the models as a whole work for me as much as I hoped/expected. I still love the chameleon skink though.
I really like the inspire condition, and cards so far revealed for the Seraphon warband. Lots of good synergy with hold objective cards, like Temporal Victory. But, there are a lot of push cards (like distraction, Nightmare in the shadows, and Restless Prize), which can make this a hard condition to achieve.
I'm surprised it's a 6 model wardband, and I'm looking forward to seeing their other fighter cards. I imagine the Sinks will be 2 wounds each, and the Saurus will be 4 or 5 wounds.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Soulblight warband. And I'm really looking forward to the Ossiarch Bonereaper band (as I'm starting that army). I just wish COVID wasn't a thing, so I could be playing Underworlds still. I miss my monthly tournaments.
I like the new warband, and I hadn't noticed the dew claw thing until it was pointed out. I'd rather not have seen that as it makes no sense whatsoever in relation to theropod claws.
Tyranid Horde wrote: I like the new warband, and I hadn't noticed the dew claw thing until it was pointed out. I'd rather not have seen that as it makes no sense whatsoever in relation to theropod claws.
Yep. Can’t Unsee regarding the dew claw. Still gonna buy it though because aside from that I think they’re great and my wife loves them.
Tyranid Horde wrote: I like the new warband, and I hadn't noticed the dew claw thing until it was pointed out. I'd rather not have seen that as it makes no sense whatsoever in relation to theropod claws.
Yep. Can’t Unsee regarding the dew claw. Still gonna buy it though because aside from that I think they’re great and my wife loves them.
What about the skink earholes? I can't unsee them either
Kinda tempted by these. Getting into my painting recently, and Underworlds warbands do look to be decent palette cleansers to break up larger projects.
Lizards will probably be the only Warband I get other than the Starter Set this season. I would have preferred more Saurus, but I've never played a 6 figure warband, so it'll be fun.
As far as Vampire/Elf for the next warband, I'm leaning pretty far to the vampire camp, but I'd love to be surprised and get Malerion's Elves
We know it's Soulblight, we've seen the icon...additionally the roadmap has Idoneth in there so we're hovering around the 'cap' they seem to use for a season's faction representation if no Stormcast are involved.
Order: Lumineth, Idoneth, Seraphon.
Destruction: Spiderfangs(presumably)
Death: Ossiarch Bonereapers and Soulblight.
Chaos: Slaves to Darkness and Hedonites.
Shadow Aelves or Soulblight are the two things I'm next expecting from GW for AoS in terms of army releases and such. They are two things that have been hinted about for ages - Malarion has been specifically hinted at for ages whilst Soulbight have been very active in the lore and stories and such.
Both are solid choices to appear and its honestly surprising that we got armies like Ossiarchs before them (if just because Ossiarchs didn't have any real build-up to them besides sneaky Shadspire hints which were cryptic enough that we never guessed it was a whole bone and soul construct army
That hip plate on the silhouette looks just like the hip plates on the Lumineth Cow-hammers. Is there such a thing as Aelven vampires? Maybe something to do with Mistweaver Saith from Silver Tower? Aesthetic is kinda similar
Yeah, not blown away by these guys, bit of a shame.
Noses and ears on the skinks look odd, though different paintjob may obscure that a bit. Glad to see they didn't carry over the Blood Bowl design for the heads, but the eyes on these look too small and narrow if anything. Pretty muscular too, which isn't a first (Tehenhauin and the chief with the stegadon helmet were too), but it never looked right to me for those soft little things.
Tyranid Horde wrote: I like the new warband, and I hadn't noticed the dew claw thing until it was pointed out. I'd rather not have seen that as it makes no sense whatsoever in relation to theropod claws.
Yep. Can’t Unsee regarding the dew claw. Still gonna buy it though because aside from that I think they’re great and my wife loves them.
What about the skink earholes? I can't unsee them either
They're tiny, barely noticible, and you can cut them off if they bother you. They're really a non-issue for me. Even the dew claw issue is minor IMO.
Da Boss wrote: Those Lizardmen are a bit of a let down. Always hoping for a badass Saurus redesign, always disappointed.
Honestly, the Saurus- and Kroxigor models have always looked derpy to me. And Total War's redesign of some of the models certainly hasn't helped with that impression.
Spoiler:
JSG wrote: You could say that but it does contradict what female chaos warriors have looked like for decades. I think the first was John Blanches "Chaos Amazon" which was a kind of response to the chainmail bikini trend in fantasy art at the time. Also, at that point it's like why even make a female model? You could point to any chaos figure and say "oh that one's a woman".
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Kinda tempted by these. Getting into my painting recently, and Underworlds warbands do look to be decent palette cleansers to break up larger projects.
Indeed!
I have no intention of ever playing Underworlds, but have picked up quite a few boxes of the exelent models just for painting.
I don't play Underworlds, either, but I find the warbands to be really great self-contained skirmish warbands for several other rulesets, that can give me the feel that Warhammer Skirmish fell short of delivering. My son loves dinosaurs, and I will definitely grab these Seraphon for when he hopefully starts gaming with me in a year or two. There are really excellent 3D sculpts of models that work insanely great as Saurus, and Kroxigor, especially, that can be added to them.
AegisGrimm wrote: I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?
This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??
At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.
Just look at many (not necessarily all) female body builders as an example of this.
Generally muscles and such grow and boobs don’t. Once in chaos armour, I just don’t think you’d see either way.
Particularly with the fluf Of chaos warriors even back in the old world and their armour etc.
They could have always been women in there too arguably..
Wrongful thinking. Miniatures are not there to replicate reality but to encapsulate fantastic elements.
So according to this, a female chaos warrior would look tall, buff and attractive. She can even be equipped with combat stilettos and boobplate.
Once in a while mini collectors would like to paint such minis in contrast to endless rows of skeletons, goblins and space marines. If you don't like female models in cheesecake armour just don't buy them.
AegisGrimm wrote: I'm not really sure why Chaos Warriors that are female should have to follow the theory that they would look feminine. Chaos Warriors, both female AND male, are just completely normal humans that have been magically 'roided out to be damn near the size of a Stormcast. Why would any Chaos God worry about keeping any female Champion particularly busty or hippy when giving them a new form built for raw power?
This isn't genetics and scientific processes we are talking about, here. These are platemailed forms enhanced by the same powers that allow a Tzaangor or Dragon's head to split in half and continue to function, without it's brain falling out on the ground. Or to have a Champion have a cavernous belly-mouth where their guts should be. Where do all their guts get moved to??
At least Stormcast have the excuse that they have been remade into more "perfect" statuesque forms of both genders, so female Stormcast are going to look different than the men.
Just look at many (not necessarily all) female body builders as an example of this.
Generally muscles and such grow and boobs don’t. Once in chaos armour, I just don’t think you’d see either way.
Particularly with the fluf Of chaos warriors even back in the old world and their armour etc.
They could have always been women in there too arguably..
Wrongful thinking. Miniatures are not there to replicate reality but to encapsulate fantastic elements.
So according to this, a female chaos warrior would look tall, buff and attractive. She can even be equipped with combat stilettos and boobplate.
Once in a while mini collectors would like to paint such minis in contrast to endless rows of skeletons, goblins and space marines. If you don't like female models in cheesecake armour just don't buy them.
Having a different view from yours on aesthetics is not wrongful thinking. People want there miniatures for different reasons. It sounds like you would like them to be more of a Boris Vallejo diorama than a “realistic” approach, like some of the infinity ridiculous “sexy anime” poses. That’s fine to want that from your miniatures, but for a mainstream company to make something that is alienating to a good chunk of the population is probably not a prudent path. It’s not 1995 anymore-it’s not 97% neckbeard dudes playing miniature games anymore and that is a positive. For miniatures designed for a fame “just don’t buy it” doesn’t work if you have to deal with an opponent showing up with a bunch of models as you describe.
Once in a while mini collectors would like to paint such minis in contrast to endless rows of skeletons, goblins and space marines. If you don't like female models in cheesecake armour just don't buy them.
If I understand what you've written, you're identifying as a mini-collector and expressing disappointment that these models aren't being sold to cater to your interests. I'd like to reassure you that these figures are being sold to cater to a lot of other people's interests, and you've got plenty of other models that you can buy that will cater to yours.
To be frank, the biggest opportunity that I think GW missed out on is using the pronouns they/them (modern gender neutral) instead of he and she for each of the four figures.
.. It’s not 1995 anymore-it’s not 97% neckbeard dudes playing miniature games anymore and that is a positive. For miniatures designed for a fame “just don’t buy it” doesn’t work if you have to deal with an opponent showing up with a bunch of models as you describe.
The demographics are pretty much the same as they were in 95, but your options are thankfully broader. You can use whatever minis you like, and if you don't like his minis you can do a runner and then later write a lengthy tumbler post detailing your discomfort, for example.
I find the lizardmen warband to be a bit of hit and miss. The Saurus warrior being the obvious odd one out in terms of quality of design. Quite a missed opportunity, which is odd how it was possible to make - there is a great design of the oldblood on carnasaur, they should’ve e just copied it and changed the pose, scale it down a little.
The skink heads look a bit weird, but not bad. The features have been somewhat changed from the “original” skinks.
The new direction in which the ork heads are headed is atrocious in comparison.
Really not feeling the Seraphon band either but mostly due to the introduction of the "Asterism" mechanic, seems like more and more warbands are going to get this kind of thing and with "Hunger" and "Primacy" in the core set it might get tricky to keep track of who can do what.
Sikil wrote: Is it oly me that find the march-scheduled warband silouettes to be suspiciously Idoneth-y?
I do hope so! Would love to paint up a Idoneth warband!!
The June warband is almost guaranteed to be Idoneth. And I doubt they'd get two warbands in the same season. Stormcast and Khorne have in the past, but that's because the former has a ton of different chambers to theme around and the latter have "big guys" and "little guys" to divide the warband into. Same with how Ironjawz got 'ard boyz and then brutes for their warbands. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a saurus only warband, given that the seraphon one is pretty skink-heavy.
The silhouette does seem a bit pirate-y, though. And people think the undead guy from the teaser is also pirate themed. Maybe the rumor people are right, and we'll get Vampire Coast themed dead guys, which could be a good foil for Idoneth. And we're still waiting to see what the crab claw picture goes to. Maybe a sea monster-frankenstein ghoul..?
Sikil wrote: Is it oly me that find the march-scheduled warband silouettes to be suspiciously Idoneth-y?
I do hope so! Would love to paint up a Idoneth warband!!
Then you want June.
The March warband is Soulblight Vampires. April is unknown, but presumed to be Spiderfang Grots. May is Ossiarch Bonereapers.
June is extremely likely to be Idoneth. It's possibly going to be Shadowkin devoted to Malerion but the rune feels closer to something Idoneth than something Realm of Shadow-y.
JWBS wrote: The demographics are pretty much the same as they were in 95
You should actually go to a store or club sometime (at least one where seedy types didn't made everyone they don't like feel unwelcome), you'd see how wrong it is. Or look up photos from '95 because your memory is (to be generous) pretty faulty.
You can use whatever minis you like, and if you don't like his minis you can do a runner and then later write a lengthy tumbler post detailing your discomfort, for example.
Funny, because the only ones I see here whining in lengthy posts are parler types complaining these damn wimminz and [insert color/region] don't stay in kitchen anymore and """ruin""" the game by demanding miniatures actually being representative of setting and its inhabitants instead of thinly veiled excuse to show tits and stuff said types never get to see in person.
I wonder, why the creepy types can't be the ones to use one of zillion alternatives for the thirsty (Raging Heroes, CC, Manufactura, KoD, plus like 500 others) and it's the vast majority that wants normal minis needs to be the ones suffering for it? Maybe, just maybe, it's the creeps who should do a 'runner' and go play in safe space basement with sticky figures, it's no longer 1950s anymore.
JWBS wrote: The demographics are pretty much the same as they were in 95
You should actually go to a store or club sometime (at least one where seedy types didn't made everyone they don't like feel unwelcome), you'd see how wrong it is. Or look up photos from '95 because your memory is (to be generous) pretty faulty.
You can use whatever minis you like, and if you don't like his minis you can do a runner and then later write a lengthy tumbler post detailing your discomfort, for example.
Funny, because the only ones I see here whining in lengthy posts are parler types complaining these damn wimminz and [insert color/region] don't stay in kitchen anymore and """ruin""" the game by demanding miniatures actually being representative of setting and its inhabitants instead of thinly veiled excuse to show tits and stuff said types never get to see in person.
I wonder, why the creepy types can't be the ones to use one of zillion alternatives for the thirsty (Raging Heroes, CC, Manufactura, KoD, plus like 500 others) and it's the vast majority that wants normal minis needs to be the ones suffering for it? Maybe, just maybe, it's the creeps who should do a 'runner' and go play in safe space basement with sticky figures, it's no longer 1950s anymore.
Why are you spending your time reading what sound to be quite misogynistic complaints online? Seems a strange way to spend your time. Are you sure you're actually doing this? Also, have you ever met a woman, particularly one in this hobby? They don't, in fact, need to be protected from fantasy tits, they often kind of like them, as with many who enjoy fantasy female and male physiques often seen in represented in fantasy miniature form. It's actually quite a draw for some people. The majority of those complaining about 28mm boobs are some version of this guy and the only reason he thinks ladies need to be protected from mildly racey fantasy tropes is because he's never met one, and relies mainly on this guy for his takes. Assuming that you're not one of these fellows (hey, there's a chance), I suggest you clutch your pearls a bit less tightly. There are other venues for you to express your puritanical views. Try contemporary womens clothing, that could be quite fruitful for you, some of the stuff they wear around my way is pretty spicy.
I'm pretty excited for the reveals of the two unknown warbands. Especially the destruction warband, as there is a good opportunity for something new and exciting, especially for a small skirmish sized game like this.
I am also looking forward to the cards, and learning about the mechanics of the new warband inspire conditions.
Sikil wrote: Is it oly me that find the march-scheduled warband silouettes to be suspiciously Idoneth-y?
I do hope so! Would love to paint up a Idoneth warband!!
Then you want June.
The March warband is Soulblight Vampires. April is unknown, but presumed to be Spiderfang Grots. May is Ossiarch Bonereapers.
June is extremely likely to be Idoneth. It's possibly going to be Shadowkin devoted to Malerion but the rune feels closer to something Idoneth than something Realm of Shadow-y.
The token pack also has ‘Shoal’ tokens. I’d say Idoneth are all but guaranteed.
Warhammer Underworlds: Direchasm has been out for a little while now, and we’ve already unveiled three warbands for the new season, including the Starblood Stalkers – the first Seraphon to enter the living mountain.
We know there are four left on the current roadmap (more on that below), and everyone’s eager to see what’s next. Luckily, you don’t have long to wait… Not long at all, in fact. Here’s the first fighter from a new Death warband that will be joining the fray very soon.
Armoured legs (and some scatted bits of armour elsewhere) with a completely unprotected torso is a look I'm not exactly fan of - witch hunters carry those stakes for a reason... As with the other vampire, armour is largely unadorned and even a bit crude looking (especially those big plates on the hips).
Another not too impressive vampire sculpt then. Not terrible, but don't love it either.
Very nice swords though.
Look better than the Chaos Warrior so far. Since they didn't have much space on the sprue they can't give the model living organism crazy hair like usual.
I really like this vampire (and I really like the other one too, not that it’s related to Underworlds). Looking forward to seeing the rest on Saturday. I hope there’s only three, they should be strong, elite fighters.
She looks pretty cool, I am interested to see what the rest of the band includes on Saturday.
Bummer to see the schedule shifted back (though that was expected after not seeing Khagra’s band up for preorder this month). Double bummer that the Destruction Warband is Savage Orruks and not Spiderfang Grots.
ImAGeek wrote: I really like this vampire (and I really like the other one too, not that it’s related to Underworlds). Looking forward to seeing the rest on Saturday. I hope there’s only three, they should be strong, elite fighters.
I don't think it'll be a three man warband, there will be at least four models. They are not big enough to be a three man team, that's reserved for big bulky models, like Stormcast, Blightkings, and Orruck Brutes. Even if the fourth model is a swarm of bats, or a hound or something.
Cool looking model, cant wait to see what the rest of the Warband is. Anyone have any good ideas of what could be included? Seems like they dont have much in the way of Soulblight specific units that are not already included in the other Death bands.
Then my thoughts were maybe 2-3 zombies/thralls.
Or at a push. A Vargheist or something.
Married couple, as it’s a fella I think the other, and then the crazy feral brother..
ingtaer wrote: Cool looking model, cant wait to see what the rest of the Warband is. Anyone have any good ideas of what could be included? Seems like they dont have much in the way of Soulblight specific units that are not already included in the other Death bands.
I hope for at least one 'thrall'
What I'd really like to see (but doubt) is a distinction between Death armies, and vampires get the 'preserved undead': stitched up corpses or peat bog corpses with more of a old world flavor than the anachronistic 'zombie.'
Basically splitting the difference between bronze age wights and Frankenstein monster's stitched up by Igor-like characters. Bones and skeletons are well covered, as are ghouls. The vampires should have basic models that are obviously dead but still 'meaty.'
ingtaer wrote: Cool looking model, cant wait to see what the rest of the Warband is. Anyone have any good ideas of what could be included? Seems like they dont have much in the way of Soulblight specific units that are not already included in the other Death bands.
I hope for at least one 'thrall'
What I'd really like to see (but doubt) is a distinction between Death armies, and vampires get the 'preserved undead': stitched up corpses or peat bog corpses with more of a old world flavor than the anachronistic 'zombie.'
Basically splitting the difference between bronze age wights and Frankenstein monster's stitched up by Igor-like characters. Bones and skeletons are well covered, as are ghouls. The vampires should have basic models that are obviously dead but still 'meaty.'
Depending on the Vampire, they are not alway keen on rotting corpses shambling and dipping and drooling about the place - some like Skeletons as much cleaner and tidier, they also often have strong links with the Wight Lords. Some however like Mannfred like making corpses look like Vlad and Isabella whilst he mopes about his empty castle. Zombies are more the favs of Necromancers and there are some Nercomantic Lords of the Dead like https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crelis_Arul
I really hope somewhere (Bl or maybe even the Shattered Realms) books they do something with the living who are willingly or unwillingly vassels of the Soulblight. A City of Sigmar style list would be cool.
If not a thrall in this warband, hoping for a cat or two - alive or undead or both
Danny76 wrote: Skeletons though fitting I think less likely, or hope anyway, as we’ve had the skeleton warband itself.
Looking at Legions of Nagash book
Could be a Vargheist companion/minion
If the other vampire had been the leader would have gone for Bat Swarms but thats also been done in FEC.
Dire Wolves (or Dire Panthers - hoepful emote)
Sadly Zombies seem likely though as not in the game yet - hopefully they will be good and characterful (or pirates)
I'm expecting zombies. We've got zombie teased in a silhouette, seen some zombie like dude with an axe, and we've gotten pretty much every other Undead unit covered so far. Though they could add some bat-dude in the warband, though fellbats were used in Grymwatch
Probably won't be zombies, they will get some sort of branding name change, they'll be original like walkers . They might be a dual kit with walkers/thralls. Maybe thralls will get weapons and walkers will just be cheaper. It could help flesh out units, having thralls move quicker and have weapons while having walker/zombies be harder to damage/remove as they are too stupid to die fully.
Theophony wrote: Probably won't be zombies, they will get some sort of branding name change, they'll be original like walkers . They might be a dual kit with walkers/thralls. Maybe thralls will get weapons and walkers will just be cheaper. It could help flesh out units, having thralls move quicker and have weapons while having walker/zombies be harder to damage/remove as they are too stupid to die fully.
Zombies are part of the DEADWALKER subfaction, so probably would be that.
Very much looking forward to seeing what they do with Savage Orruks, if their leader has the bone helmet or armour that's been shown in previous artwork. It'll also be the first Savage Orruk model released in the AoS range that wasn't a holdover from WFB, so I'm hoping they mix things up a bit.
Though if they want to keep it conventional, I can see one be an arrer boy, possibly a Big Stabba team and a spear guy alongside the obligator dual wielding Orruk.
Theophony wrote: Probably won't be zombies, they will get some sort of branding name change, they'll be original like walkers . They might be a dual kit with walkers/thralls. Maybe thralls will get weapons and walkers will just be cheaper. It could help flesh out units, having thralls move quicker and have weapons while having walker/zombies be harder to damage/remove as they are too stupid to die fully.
Zombies are part of the DEADWALKER subfaction, so probably would be that.
Well, they are at the moment. We’re certainly in a period of rationalisation for AoS, as they systemically step back from the super small factions they originally went with. Cities of Sigmar is probably the single best example of this practice.
I’m not sure there’s any mileage in GW trying to rebrand the kit, as zombies are, well, zombies. Less a name, more a pop culture phenomena. The renaming has been more to create copyrightable names for stuff of GW’s own invention (Squigs, Ossiarchs, Aelves, Duardin etc).
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I’m not sure there’s any mileage in GW trying to rebrand the kit, as zombies are, well, zombies. Less a name, more a pop culture phenomena. The renaming has been more to create copyrightable names for stuff of GW’s own invention (Squigs, Ossiarchs, Aelves, Duardin etc).
GW didn't invent elves, dwarves, or orcs though. Their AOS equivalents are not only named different, but implemented stylistically differently from the classic (and now generic) fantasy tropes- aelves ride kangaroos, duardin are slayers or sky pirates, and orruks are heavily armored burly monsters or tribal savages.
So I won't be surprised if these aren't zombies, and are like... Deadwalker Corpse-Thralls, and they're sewn-together Frankensteinian quasi-sentient monsters rather than old-school brainless Romero living dead. Something like how skeletons are still around, but Ossiarchs are their 'unique to AOS' counterpart.
Well, they are at the moment. We’re certainly in a period of rationalisation for AoS, as they systemically step back from the super small factions they originally went with. Cities of Sigmar is probably the single best example of this practice.
It really isn't. Cities of Sigmar was a not very well done way for them to let the various Order subfactions get 'pooled' together and not really function as anything as a result. There's a reason why the Morathi book was a breath of fresh air. It actually created something new and different. Har Kuron is restricted in what it can take rather than just shoveling everything together. Tempest Keep was supposed to be a haven for Stormcast Harbingers and the Swifthawk Agents--now it's just a way to bring Kharadron into your army list. The Living City was supposed to be a place where the Wanderers(who aren't even supposed to be city-dwllers outside of Ghyran and its Living City!) and other Aelfs dwelt alongside Sylvaneth and some wild-men, Phoenicium was home to the Phoenix Temple stuff and effectively a 'city displaced from time' that had been trapped in amber.
The list goes on with that book. Notably keywords being a heckin' mess for buffs and that for all their talk about the "retinues being an important factor for the army"...they really don't mean anything.
I’m not sure there’s any mileage in GW trying to rebrand the kit, as zombies are, well, zombies. Less a name, more a pop culture phenomena. The renaming has been more to create copyrightable names for stuff of GW’s own invention (Squigs, Ossiarchs, Aelves, Duardin etc).
I doubt they would "rebrand the kit" as anything. "Deadwalkers" is the faction name. It would be a heckin' great way to bring something akin to draugr or mummies into the game.
Yeah. Mileage or not, GW eagerly rebrands 'pop culture' things these days.
If new kits are afoot, zombies are very likely to be replaced by 2-3 unit variants of 'Deadwalker Verbnouns.' With throat-slasher blades, hackthruster spears and/or Reap-slicer scythes.
And the current zombie kit _really_ needs to be replaced. Player-side because the models are gak, GW-side because 20 models for less than $40 is heresy!
TBF, Warhammer zombies have been reanimated corpses melded with detritus to replace missing limbs since the Corpse Cart was released, so I imagine they'd just get a AOS name and stick with that as a design, I can't think of any other IP's with zombie/broken railing/rotten tree hybrids.
It's not just IP/trademark protection. Another angle is that GW today realises that the internet is a thing and if they can brand things under their own names (which they can protect) then when someone googles it up they get GW products, GW web pages and GW's store as the top results.
Quite a few of the Underworld warband models have regular weapons for units in the army; so broadly speaking they work really well as "counts as" models.
Kurnothi are one of the exceptions, though there's still hope from Sylvaneth players that perhaps the Kurnothi are a big hint to the future designs for models for the army.
Overread wrote: Quite a few of the Underworld warband models have regular weapons for units in the army; so broadly speaking they work really well as "counts as" models.
Kurnothi are one of the exceptions, though there's still hope from Sylvaneth players that perhaps the Kurnothi are a big hint to the future designs for models for the army.
Sylvanneth too. Two of the four characters don't have specific rules; ie the bow revenant and the leader. The latter, in theory, could be proxied as whatever Drycha's old model is being used as.
Edit: Mollog too, unless you run all his friends as normal squigs, though only the flying one really looks squigy. The Wolf riders also don't have regular rules, and I don't think you can use gnoblars in a Beastclaw warband.
Overread wrote: It's not just IP/trademark protection. Another angle is that GW today realises that the internet is a thing and if they can brand things under their own names (which they can protect) then when someone googles it up they get GW products, GW web pages and GW's store as the top results.
So in other words, they've grasped that the internet is a thing but they still don't understand how it works, since anyone making models that could plausibly be desired by a player of AoS Faction X can freely use GW's trademarks in both their store listings and the SEO for those pages providing the text of the page makes it clear they're only indicating compatibility/suitability as a substitution.
Overread wrote: It's not just IP/trademark protection. Another angle is that GW today realises that the internet is a thing and if they can brand things under their own names (which they can protect) then when someone googles it up they get GW products, GW web pages and GW's store as the top results.
So in other words, they've grasped that the internet is a thing but they still don't understand how it works, since anyone making models that could plausibly be desired by a player of AoS Faction X can freely use GW's trademarks in both their store listings and the SEO for those pages providing the text of the page makes it clear they're only indicating compatibility/suitability as a substitution.
I think they understand it at least a little better than you do. If you google ogre, you're not going to see any GW stuff. But google Ogor, and you will.
But I imagine an impressionable youth who just saw their first game and wants to check out the cool models online is more capable of googling for "warhammer ogre" than remembering GW's pet spelling, or, worse, a verbnoun adjectivenoun name so I think this is a loss for GW and apologists.
But I imagine an impressionable youth who just saw their first game and wants to check out the cool models online is more capable of googling for "warhammer ogre" than remembering GW's pet spelling, or, worse, a verbnoun adjectivenoun name so I think this is a loss for GW and apologists.
Yeah, the renaming because of Google doesn't make any sense as it requires people to already know your special snowflake name and spelling thereof.
I think it makes a lot more sense to use common names and hope someone stumbles across your product because it is a common name rather than use some silly made up in house names. GW's products do still come up as the top search option for some common names, like "Imperial Guard", the first 4 search options are related to GW.
