It's one guy. If there's a box of cowboy hatted cowboy hat specialists then I can see reason for concern. Even then you'd have fewer cowboy hatted Americans than kilted Scots.
plastictrees wrote: It's one guy. If there's a box of cowboy hatted cowboy hat specialists then I can see reason for concern. Even then you'd have fewer cowboy hatted Americans than kilted Scots.
Model looks great.
It's "one guy", but it's also the first model in a range about to be launched. It's a range where they kept using "Chuck Norris-esque", "Coca Cola", and "Donuts" as an example of what they think USAriadna exemplifies.
Never mind that their own background material plays down those aspects in favor of "professionalism".
Not everyone in Scotland wears tartan and yet all the Caledonia models do. If we get all the USAriadna guys in cowboy hats then I can see the issue but one guy doesn't mean the whole range will have it. Wait and see I guess.
ImAGeek wrote: Not everyone in Scotland wears tartan and yet all the Caledonia models do. If we get all the USAriadna guys in cowboy hats then I can see the issue but one guy doesn't mean the whole range will have it. Wait and see I guess.
Significant difference in that Caledonia wasn't based upon a real nation and its history, but rather they opted to build a new nation entirely.
USAriadna's population is aping the traditions of their early settlers which were a mixed bag of African-American/Latino Rangers with Asian and Caucasian scientists attached from NASA.
And considering this is the 'opening model', in a line again where they kept talking about how they NEEDED to "fit Impetuous bikers[which they're calling Mavericks] in to reflect the US culture"?
Nope, they get no faith in doing anything that isn't going to be pop culture tripe.
ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that they chose to reprint that crap about the specific ethnic breakdown of the US detachment.
plastictrees wrote: It's one guy. If there's a box of cowboy hatted cowboy hat specialists then I can see reason for concern. Even then you'd have fewer cowboy hatted Americans than kilted Scots.
Model looks great.
It's "one guy", but it's also the first model in a range about to be launched. It's a range where they kept using "Chuck Norris-esque", "Coca Cola", and "Donuts" as an example of what they think USAriadna exemplifies.
Never mind that their own background material plays down those aspects in favor of "professionalism".
Not to mention that we're no doubt going to be seeing a boatload of people playing this faction because 'Murica. I just know I'm gonna be seeing a lot of these, so it's in my interest for them to not be cartoons. Sure, it's just one dude, but he's enough to worry me.
I don't think you guys need to worry that much jyst yet. Didn't we see the cartoon concept art last year for very professional infantry for US ariadna? If those had been just as cheesey then I'd join you guys in getting our assless chaps in a twist but I don't think one redneck cowboy model will define the range.
Minutemen, Van Zant, and Foxtrots are brand new designs in line with the aesthetic for this forthcoming range?
This is the first actual model we have for the design aesthetic we're going to see with USAriadna.
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Red Harvest wrote: Forget the derpy hat, and the derpy bow (Who brings arrows to a gun fight anyway? ) and focus on what is important. The face, whose is it?
Bows actually make a good deal of sense when we're talking about this particular style of unit; what amounts to a "frontier guide". He operates long ways from civilization and given that USAriadna is also at the forefront of the fighting with the Antipodes a silent weapon that can have its ammunition replenished in the field by recovering it from your kills goes a long way.
I was expecting a more futuristic looking bow to be honest. That said, the mini is very well executed.
You'll likely see a more futuristic looking bow when Yu-Jing gets their Ninja with Tactical Bow.
What are those on his chest? Zip ties? I was kind of hoping we'd see something that looked more like Rambo for the Hardcase, myself. The hat is kind of annoying, but I remain cautiously optimistic that we'll eventually see another Hardcase that isn't wearing that hat. I think a bandana or boonie hat would look better.
It would not be that hard to swap his head guys. I think it's funny that folks want a serious model holding a bow
A Bow... In infinity...
Say what you want about bows making sense, they don't, you can't actually reuse arrows fired from a compound bow btw. Against a bullseye target? Sure, but any bow hunter will tell you that the arrows get messed the feth up when hunting, or impossibly lost. I highly doubt an antipode couldn't hear the snap of a bow either. It's a light spirited poke at redneck American pop culture, I am honestly surprised and happy we didn't get Darrel from Walking Dead.
I'd wait for more firm identity. However I would say, that's it's best to treat the background as separate entity from the vibe you might get when inspecting miniatures or even profiles.
Yeah, not a huge fan of the hardcase. If I get him, the head is definitely going. Also, is everyone in Ariadna now shopping at the same vitamin supplement store? There was a sale on anabolic steroids and whey powder? Their arms are becoming a little bit ridiculous.
Also, is the main arms of the bow wood? If so, why? Wouldn't the nature of it being a compound bow remove the need for wood in the construction?
Charles Rampant wrote: Not sure how 'donuts and coke' could function as a design aesthetic, though. Are USAriadna going to get hotdog cars?
Ok, this is the only thing I can think of now, and would love to see happen. If you're going to go cheesy on the 'Murica, go the whole hog. Or weiner, as it were.
treslibras wrote: Am I weird for hearing the Village People sing in the back of my head every time I look at him?
On a slightly more serious note: I also think the bow is strangely cumbersome in design - as if he used parts of a rocking chair to build it.
It's pretty weird, yes.
I didn't realise people had such strong feelings about cowboy hats. It's a hat. That people wear.
If we had an SAS trooper in a bowler hat I can see the complaints, but it's not as if a cowboy hat is some insanely outdated cultural relic.
If it makes people feel better just imagine he's from Alberta.
Infinity represents small enough engagements that the bow isn't completely ridiculous, he's a specialist. He's not going to be on the front lines sending waves of arrows into enemy positions, but sabotaging a research facility or kidnapping an executive? Sure.
treslibras wrote: Am I weird for hearing the Village People sing in the back of my head every time I look at him?
On a slightly more serious note: I also think the bow is strangely cumbersome in design - as if he used parts of a rocking chair to build it.
It's pretty weird, yes.
I didn't realise people had such strong feelings about cowboy hats. It's a hat. That people wear.
If we had an SAS trooper in a bowler hat I can see the complaints, but it's not as if a cowboy hat is some insanely outdated cultural relic.
If it makes people feel better just imagine he's from Alberta.
Infinity represents small enough engagements that the bow isn't completely ridiculous, he's a specialist. He's not going to be on the front lines sending waves of arrows into enemy positions, but sabotaging a research facility or kidnapping an executive? Sure.
I agree. Think he looks absolutely awesome and a bad-ass !
Trying to imagine him with a head-swap, and went through imagining some alternatives.. SAS balaclava, beret, marine helmet, none of them seem to work as well as the hat!
I agree. Think he looks absolutely awesome and a bad-ass !
Trying to imagine him with a head-swap, and went through imagining some alternatives.. SAS balaclava, beret, marine helmet, none of them seem to work as well as the hat!
Anything works better than a hat. He's supposed to be a frontiersman in an environment which is actually fairly cold, so a hooded jacket would have been more acceptable than what we got.
A watch cap would have been more acceptable than what we got.
But it doesn't really matter, because apparently "you can just convert it!" to make it not suck.
I'm not really a fan of the hat either. But, at least his sculpt is good and salvageable, unlike Scylla. I think a headswap with the Foxtrot Ranger should fix him up nicely.
I think the model is awesome and cant wait for tac bow ninjas now!
He looks very....walking dead to me which I like alot. Those people who dont like pop culture references I feel for you, but I HOPE they are here to stay. I love the van zant mini, the william wallace, jean of arc...ALL OF IT and its one of the strongest selling points at my game store to get people to play.
Or the guy in the background of the third panel. That'd be a lot better. In America, when you're not talking about actual wild west cowboys, the cowboy hat becomes a little contentious for a lot of us. It's just an unsettling start to the sectoral.
Also, interestingly enough, the Grunts' unit logo is almost identical to the U.S. army logo.
With how much talk about cowboy hats in the CB USA sectional thread, both for and not. There was no way we were not getting 1 or 2 models with cowboy hats.
Kanluwen wrote: Honestly, Corvus Belli just needs to start bucking up and stop making what amount to single-piece sculpts.
Heads should be separate. For the price you pay for their models, even discounted, it's a joke that there are NO options.
Why would they want to waste what is their strength, excellent sculpts?
Or should we forget the complains every time a 4 models box comes out about the "blunt poses"?
It is almost like some people need to have some thing to hate on, even if it mean they end up complaining about both sides. "I hate rage fist open chest pose, let make other part of the model interchangeable that will help" .
Kanluwen wrote: Honestly, Corvus Belli just needs to start bucking up and stop making what amount to single-piece sculpts.
Heads should be separate. For the price you pay for their models, even discounted, it's a joke that there are NO options.
Why would they want to waste what is their strength, excellent sculpts?
Because one precludes the other, right?
Or should we forget the complains every time a 4 models box comes out about the "blunt poses"?
The complaints aren't over "blunt poses"(what is a "blunt pose" anyways? Is it straight and to the point?), but rather the recycling of assets from elsewhere. One shouldn't be able to immediately predict how a box is going to turn out based upon what other models have digital frames available, yet that has been the case lately.
Digital sculpting was supposed to allow for "more poses, more detail, and more models"; yet none of those aspects have really been met.
I think there is a fine line between allowing customisation/multiple options, and affecting the overall aesthetic of the miniature. Simply put, if you add more options, you can compromise the latter because you have to allow for multiple fitting points.
This is why, if one is to use an extreme example, as lovely as something like the 40k Dark Eldar warriors are, they pale in comparison to the Juan Diaz sculpt of Lilith. Jes Goodwin had to compromise on detail to allow posability and multiple options. Some of the detail on the CB minis is so damned intricate I think adding multiple components would add a lot of complexity to the sculpting and production process. This would add to the sculpting time, slow down the release rate (which I think is just about right)
I don't think it's as simple as 'just add more heads' or 'just add more arms'.
I can't speak for everyone, but my biggest complaint is the lack of poses availble. The biggest offenders are the line troops. If a unit is AVA Total, I would like to have more than three basic CR poses. Take the Bolts for example. I really like the Bolts and would love to field a bunch. except I'm stuck with there only being one female CR, and two male CR poses. That's it. If I want more that aren't in the same pose, I have to convert. Why not just make a few more poses availavle?
Digital sculpting was supposed to allow for "more poses, more detail, and more models"; yet none of those aspects have really been met.
This sculpt is unique though. We have never had a bowman before (let alone someone reaching for it) and no one with a cowboy hat.
Also, while I am not American, I am currently living in Texas and I see a decent sum of people with Cowboy hats here. Not when I am working at the university but in the outlying town and surrounding cities? Yeah more so. While it is a stereotype it isn't like it does not occur.
I quite like the Hardcase. I knew that there were worries about Stetson hats, but this unit to me is the most appropriate to get one. I'll include this guy in my army hopefully soon, but I hope the general aesthetic of USAriadnan minis to stick as much as possible to the Grunts concept art. This guy being the exception is perfect, this guy being the norm, not so much.
Pacific wrote: I think there is a fine line between allowing customisation/multiple options, and affecting the overall aesthetic of the miniature. Simply put, if you add more options, you can compromise the latter because you have to allow for multiple fitting points.
This is why, if one is to use an extreme example, as lovely as something like the 40k Dark Eldar warriors are, they pale in comparison to the Juan Diaz sculpt of Lilith. Jes Goodwin had to compromise on detail to allow posability and multiple options. Some of the detail on the CB minis is so damned intricate I think adding multiple components would add a lot of complexity to the sculpting and production process. This would add to the sculpting time, slow down the release rate (which I think is just about right)
I don't think it's as simple as 'just add more heads' or 'just add more arms'.
Not true. Infinity frequently cheaps out by using the same set of legs, etc.. mutliple times
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It's just a question of inverting priorities.
Instead of being stingy misers squeezing multiple miniatures out of fewer sculpting efforts, they could go 21st century and offer each miniature with a few more varients. Technologically it is the same thing. It's just a question of actually giving a damn about it.
I meant in the sense of allowing further customisation options Wonderwolf, and how that can potentially compromise the overall sculpt.
I do agree though that not all of those two-body box sets work well. Stuff like the Sekban or Kaplan I've found to be fine, you don't really notice that they are doubled up as there is a more 'uniform' appearance to them. Having one foot up on a crate does draw attention to it however...
Wow that's shows how twisted peoples opinion gets
I said the same exact thing about a character's turban and was ripped apart by everyone....
funny how if its American culture under attack its okay...
but God forbid you say you don't like a hat on the character like a turban...oh my god I actually can't believe this....
so does that mean you're racist against whites or white Americans the same way I was allegedly racist against Sikhs
funny how that works... I didn't like a hat I was called a racist you don't like a hat no one says anything to you I'm going to say something you're a racist against white Americans
Digital sculpting was supposed to allow for "more poses, more detail, and more models"; yet none of those aspects have really been met.
This sculpt is unique though. We have never had a bowman before (let alone someone reaching for it) and no one with a cowboy hat.
Also, while I am not American, I am currently living in Texas and I see a decent sum of people with Cowboy hats here. Not when I am working at the university but in the outlying town and surrounding cities? Yeah more so. While it is a stereotype it isn't like it does not occur.
In general, the comment was really about how we aren't seeing 4 unique sculpts in a unit box for instance, which, if anything, should be easier to achieve with digital sculpting.
Instead we have 2 bodies with different arms.
This is basically what Rackham ended up doing when they were going down the mass battle road and had unit boxes with bodies, arms, heads. The sculpts were nice but it compromised dynamic and characterful posing quite heavily.
Personally I would rather them go with more unique poses per box, even if it meant that a model could only be posed one way.
I'm never going to have more than 5 of 'x-trooper' on the board anyway, I'd rather they all look different.
Wow that's shows how twisted peoples opinion gets
I said the same exact thing about a character's turban and was ripped apart by everyone....
funny how if its American culture under attack its okay...
but God forbid you say you don't like a hat on the character like a turban...oh my god I actually can't believe this....
so does that mean you're racist against whites or white Americans the same way I was allegedly racist against Sikhs
funny how that works... I didn't like a hat I was called a racist you don't like a hat no one says anything to you I'm going to say something you're a racist against white Americans
Turbans are worn by Sikhs for religious purposes, it's not just a hat. A cowboy hat is just a hat. It's pretty different.
ImAGeek wrote: Turbans are worn by Sikhs for religious purposes, it's not just a hat. A cowboy hat is just a hat. It's pretty different.
To be fair... there are some people who would say that a cowboy hat is worn for religious purposes in 'MERICA. Just saying. ^_^
Also Turbans are not exclusively worn by Sikhs. Turbans are used as a head covering by many cultures, cultures in Africa wear turban, and many Hindu priests wear turbans as well.
ImAGeek wrote: Turbans are worn by Sikhs for religious purposes, it's not just a hat. A cowboy hat is just a hat. It's pretty different.
To be fair... there are some people who would say that a cowboy hat is worn for religious purposes in 'MERICA. Just saying. ^_^
Also Turbans are not exclusively worn by Sikhs. Turbans are used as a head covering by many cultures, cultures in Africa wear turban, and many Hindu priests wear turbans as well.
Haha
And the character in question is a Sikh (Kirpal Singh I assume we're talking about) and is named after a real Kirpal Singh who wore a turban. That's why I focussed on Sikhism.
I already have played a modern horror RPG with Van Zant as my gun-nut character and almost used the Haqquislam sniper for a sci-fi character. Now I definitely want that hardcase for my post-apocalyptic character for a campaign coming up!
It looks dumb on that mini. That hat on a different mini would be fine. The bow? I can get that bow, or one very much like it, at a local sporting goods store. Heck, I've used a bow like that many times.
Bows actually make a good deal of sense when we're talking about this particular style of unit; what amounts to a "frontier guide". He operates long ways from civilization and given that USAriadna is also at the forefront of the fighting with the Antipodes a silent weapon that can have its ammunition replenished in the field by recovering it from your kills goes a long way.
Crossbows make more sense. Guns make even more sense. Less area needed to fire them than a bow. Also less motion, so less likely to reveal your position. Quarrels weigh less than arrows, and bullets weigh much less, so you can carry more, off-setting any advantage one may get from potentially recoverable ammunition. And arrows are not always recoverable. You can fire a gun even if you have an injured arm, or even two, in many cases. A bow? Nope.
When you're wearing that hat, the drawstring of the crossbow, or a gun, won't catch on the hat's brim the way a bow will, and send it flying off off your head like a nice signal flare. Bows, and crossbows, are not silent. They are not loud, but they do produce sound when fired. And so do the arrows and quarrels in flight-- more sound than bullets. One will hear the arrow before the arrow hits.
The idea of sending archers after antipodes, or on a spec-ops mission, is absurd. Archers belong in fantasy games, and maybe in those Zombie survivor games or a post-apocalypse sort of game, but not in Infinity.
At least we'll get to see the tinbot mini soon enough.
Oh the audacity! How dare they?
A gaming company exaggerating cultural stereotypes for distinction and flavour reasons? Unheard of!
Could write a lot more, but me and my nazi zombie buddies are out for brains tonight and the killagorilla experiment needs to be taken for a walk as well.
On topic, I think the model would benefit from a different paint job. I kind of like the sculpt, but it doesn't look tacticool enough for me. A jungle or night time pattern would make it look less crude, I think.
I agree. Think he looks absolutely awesome and a bad-ass !
Trying to imagine him with a head-swap, and went through imagining some alternatives.. SAS balaclava, beret, marine helmet, none of them seem to work as well as the hat!
Anything works better than a hat. He's supposed to be a frontiersman in an environment which is actually fairly cold, so a hooded jacket would have been more acceptable than what we got.
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In all seriousness, though, I really like the mini, hat and all. And I'm generally not a fan of Ariadna stuff.
carlos13th wrote: I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.
Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.
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(though admittedly it looks like having a face is the biggest drawback...)
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To me it is a rough and tumble loner, living off the land and in my mind he is a guy not-unlike this guy from a somewhat popular movie.
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With maybe a bit of Jon Voight from Deliverance mixed in.
I've seen dozens of people down here shoot compound bows with hats almost exactly like that. No, if you know what you're doing it doesn't get in the way at all. Although most do shoot after taking it off.
But seriously bow guy in a fictional universe? No way the fiction supports a fictional situation in which a fictional bada** uses a bow and arrow for a weapon. We should totally have that mini sculptor drawn and quartered, but then again that would require horses and those haven't been used by anyone since cars were invented just like bows were discontinued after the gun was made.
carlos13th wrote: I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.
Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.
Fair enough. It got in the way when I tried archery in a cap. That said it was recurve.
carlos13th wrote: I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.
Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.
Fair enough. It got in the way when I tried archery in a cap. That said it was recurve.
It depends on the size of the bow and the draw really.
In all seriousness, though, I really like the mini, hat and all. And I'm generally not a fan of Ariadna stuff.
Arrrgh, why couldn't this be in 32mm? It'd fit in nicely with my other miniatures, and is exactly the look I am going for. At 35mm it is just a little bit too big, even for CB's new scale sizes. Or is it? If it isn't much of a difference, I might grab the Knight model versions of Green Arrow instead. Either that or I might do a conversion of the existing Foxtrot miniature, and give him some bow arms and a quiver, he'll actually take less time to convert than this guy I am betting.
Edit: Just did a measurement of the Ariadna Scout Sniper and Tankhunter. Both are pretty much fully upright, and both are 35mm to the top of the head, so the Arrow miniature is not out of the question. The old foxtrot, by comparison, looks tiny. *sigh*, I wish they had of kept to 28mm...
Also completely agree with the need for CB to offer multiple poses. 2 of the same body type with just a few add-on's isn't great, especially for the price being paid per miniature. I know why it is being done - cheaper to only have to sculpt two bodies which means costs of spin-casting molds comes down because you only need one of each in the mold - but I'd really like them to offer more when it comes to their stuff.
In all seriousness, though, I really like the mini, hat and all. And I'm generally not a fan of Ariadna stuff.
Arrrgh, why couldn't this be in 32mm? It'd fit in nicely with my other miniatures, and is exactly the look I am going for. At 35mm it is just a little bit too big, even for CB's new scale sizes. Or is it? If it isn't much of a difference, I might grab the Knight model versions of Green Arrow instead. Either that or I might do a conversion of the existing Foxtrot miniature, and give him some bow arms and a quiver, he'll actually take less time to convert than this guy I am betting.
Edit: Just did a measurement of the Ariadna Scout Sniper and Tankhunter. Both are pretty much fully upright, and both are 35mm to the top of the head, so the Arrow miniature is not out of the question. The old foxtrot, by comparison, looks tiny. *sigh*, I wish they had of kept to 28mm...
Also completely agree with the need for CB to offer multiple poses. 2 of the same body type with just a few add-on's isn't great, especially for the price being paid per miniature. I know why it is being done - cheaper to only have to sculpt two bodies which means costs of spin-casting molds comes down because you only need one of each in the mold - but I'd really like them to offer more when it comes to their stuff.
Ahhh ok I gave up on the series in the first season, and most of it has been erased since then.
On topic - USAriadna is supposed to be the ones who make the big future-harleys for Haqqislam's biker dudes. Aren't they a little ill-suited for all terrain negotiation? They look way too heavy and low for scouting or off-road recon. A trail bike look for the USAriadna dudes or the 4 wheeler would have been my idea, but there doesn't look like there will be a choice when the rest of the forces drop. Unfortunately.
Fenriswulf wrote: Ahhh ok I gave up on the series in the first season, and most of it has been erased since then.
On topic - USAriadna is supposed to be the ones who make the big future-harleys for Haqqislam's biker dudes. Aren't they a little ill-suited for all terrain negotiation? They look way too heavy and low for scouting or off-road recon. A trail bike look for the USAriadna dudes or the 4 wheeler would have been my idea, but there doesn't look like there will be a choice when the rest of the forces drop. Unfortunately.
All terrain bikes do look a little heavy, or to me anyway.
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Fenriswulf wrote: Ahhh ok I gave up on the series in the first season, and most of it has been erased since then.
On topic - USAriadna is supposed to be the ones who make the big future-harleys for Haqqislam's biker dudes. Aren't they a little ill-suited for all terrain negotiation? They look way too heavy and low for scouting or off-road recon. A trail bike look for the USAriadna dudes or the 4 wheeler would have been my idea, but there doesn't look like there will be a choice when the rest of the forces drop. Unfortunately.
Motorcycles and not ATV are not that big thing, although I would agree that I hoped they'd go with them.
carlos13th wrote: I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.
Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.
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(though admittedly it looks like having a face is the biggest drawback...
Olympic archer is posing for a publicity photo. Good luck finding one wearing a wide brimmed hat in competition. And I saw what you did there.
There were rumors about 2 years ago that USAriadna might get "quads" ( is ATVs) but I've seen nothing about that since. Also rumored were some form of archaic TAGs. Current rumor is that according to play testers, USAriadna sectorial as it was given to them is Overpowered. So, it is being adjusted.
Fenriswulf wrote: Ahhh ok I gave up on the series in the first season, and most of it has been erased since then.
On topic - USAriadna is supposed to be the ones who make the big future-harleys for Haqqislam's biker dudes. Aren't they a little ill-suited for all terrain negotiation? They look way too heavy and low for scouting or off-road recon. A trail bike look for the USAriadna dudes or the 4 wheeler would have been my idea, but there doesn't look like there will be a choice when the rest of the forces drop. Unfortunately.
Motorcycles and not ATV are not that big thing, although I would agree that I hoped they'd go with them.
What we need is something as a tag replacement in USARIADNA. Like the Polaris ACE ATV. It's not much bigger than the mule and it could easily mount heavy weapons.
carlos13th wrote: I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.
Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.
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(though admittedly it looks like having a face is the biggest drawback...
Olympic archer is posing for a publicity photo. Good luck finding one wearing a wide brimmed hat in competition. And I saw what you did there.
There were rumors about 2 years ago that USAriadna might get "quads" ( is ATVs) but I've seen nothing about that since. Also rumored were some form of archaic TAGs. Current rumor is that according to play testers, USAriadna sectorial as it was given to them is Overpowered. So, it is being adjusted.
Quads were WISHLISTING, not actual rumor. Same with archaic TAGs, exoskeletons, etc.
The only confirmed piece of information that we had regarding anything USAriadna was a unit called "Mavericks" riding "choppers".
You are absolutely right, but I am concerned that in the seeking of something like that, what we'd end up with is something hackneyed and cliched as an attempt at bringing something like that to life.
Also, for descendants which were supposed to be majority Black and Hispanic, the Hardcase looks very "Good 'Ol Boy" to me. It must be the hat...
Whislisting or not Ariadna in general needs something to give it that visual footprint in a collection or on a table.
I shall ask one simple question. Why?The (false) appeal of Ariadna has been an image of a underdog, they don't have higher end of technology or even the production capabilities of other factions, hence they are forced to relay on the basics and whatever opportunity comes along the way.
So you're saying they don't have any sort of tractor or ATV or anything at all, ever?
All I know is a new player will more than likely jump at the force that has the big shiny missile pod PanO model long before they pick the one with jackets and shotguns and absolutely no big anything. It's more of a matter of making Ariadna appealing while not going overboard and honestly ATVs or (IDK) missile Tractors(?) would be pretty neat and big eye catchers.
I think Ariadna are fine... Their appeal is their (relative) realism, and the Antipodes/Dog Warrior stuff is awesome. They were the first faction I really liked. I don't think they're any less popular than the other factions. Not everyone wants big robots.
Mr.Church13 wrote: So you're saying they don't have any sort of tractor or ATV or anything at all, ever?
All I know is a new player will more than likely jump at the force that has the big shiny missile pod PanO model long before they pick the one with jackets and shotguns and absolutely no big anything. It's more of a matter of making Ariadna appealing while not going overboard and honestly ATVs or (IDK) missile Tractors(?) would be pretty neat and big eye catchers.
I stated that Ariadna is limited in production and their industrial knowledge. In case of a buggies, ATV and motorcycles, these are products that any post colonization society should be capable to produce, provided they didn't regress on the technological scale. Unfortunately this also means others should have it too, that is not to say their customization and designing logic wouldn't differ from faction to faction. USAriadna would of course come with more liberty and freedom.
The rule of cool is subjective and I'm rather amazed how many people believe a faction should be defined by the "centre piece" models. Personally find it a distraction and often a mechanical trap (PanO TAG/HI) in actual play.
So wait, the other guys get Aliens with Chain rifles, TAGs, up-armored infantry and Ariadna gets Crocodile Dundee with a bow? Somehow, I fail to be amused.
The factions actually seem pretty balanced in popularity. This poll on the official forums showed the following responses. Numbers are how many people said that they played a given faction:
Pan-O - 97
Nomads - 92
Haqqislam - 73
ALEPH - 60
Tohaa - 60
Yu Jing - 59
Combined Army - 59
Ariadna - 57
So from this (admittedly not very profound) data, Ariadna may be bottom of the pile, but only just. I think that the top two are thanks to having O:I, while Haqq has had loads of really nice models lately which will have attracted players, not to mention the wild popularity of Qapu Khalqi in late N2.
Mr.Church13 wrote: All I know is a new player will more than likely jump at the force that has the big shiny missile pod PanO model long before they pick the one with jackets and shotguns and absolutely no big anything. It's more of a matter of making Ariadna appealing while not going overboard
First of all in my experience most players jump on Ariadna because it's rough, rugged and raw and because it does NOT contain fancy robot thingies. Ariadna is tough and back to the roots, an image that appeals to many players. So I'd expect it to be quite smart to cater to all tastes and not make everything the same with a different touch. A certain manufacturer comes to mind, who in recent years gave every single faction a big, nonsensical, badly designed, essentially identical monster/tank just to sell at least one expensive piece of crap to every single player.
and honestly ATVs or (IDK) missile Tractors(?) would be pretty neat and big eye catchers.
Erm...
Spoiler:
Kinda fits the bill in my books. Very distinctive, huge footprint, missiles and all...
Mr.Church13 wrote: All I know is a new player will more than likely jump at the force that has the big shiny missile pod PanO model long before they pick the one with jackets and shotguns and absolutely no big anything. It's more of a matter of making Ariadna appealing while not going overboard
First of all in my experience most players jump on Ariadna because it's rough, rugged and raw and because it does NOT contain fancy robot thingies. Ariadna is tough and back to the roots, an image that appeals to many players. So I'd expect it to be quite smart to cater to all tastes and not make everything the same with a different touch. A certain manufacturer comes to mind, who in recent years gave every single faction a big, nonsensical, badly designed, essentially identical monster/tank just to sell at least one expensive piece of crap to every single player.
and honestly ATVs or (IDK) missile Tractors(?) would be pretty neat and big eye catchers.
Erm...
Spoiler:
Kinda fits the bill in my books. Very distinctive, huge footprint, missiles and all...
Don't get me wrong the mule is cool, but put it up against the cutter or the iguana and it's barely noticeable.
And I actually have faith in CB to be able to give a force some centerpiece flair without decimating their game to sell something big. I mean tags do a great job without land sliding games.
I definitely like the low tech style of Ariadna, and I think the wulvers etc. really add a nice rough and rugged look. Lots of Infinity is a little too super future and clean for my tastes, but Ariadna and Haq add a nice gritty feel that is easier to sympathize with for me. I don't know that big robots would help the Ariadna aesthetic at all, and something more practical would be a lot better I think.
Mount Sion was already present in the N2 rulebook. It's featured in pretty much every Dawn map.
I really hope the Mavericks to not to have the Kum bike. We have 6 of them already. Do something different CB, don't get comfy. I'd rather have cross bikes, Triumphs or quads.
Though, if they wanted to go full cowboy, USAriadna would get horses instead of bikes. If they went that route though, I'd prefer to see cav units mounted on Antipodes.
We've already seen one anachronism already, the archer. So maybe archaic cavalry too... Will the Minutemen come armed with halberds for their CCWs? Van Zant does have a battle-axe. Infinity:The fantasy skirmish Game.
So these little posters are leading up to a GenCon reveal of the sectorial? That would be awkward, because the revised rules for sectorials are not due until Christmas with the HSN3.
So these little posters are leading up to a GenCon reveal of the sectorial? That would be awkward, because the revised rules for sectorials are not due until Christmas with the HSN3.
That didn't stop them from releasing Icestorm in the months before N3 launched.
The current speculation, which makes a hell of a lot more sense than the idea of it simply being a "reveal of the Sectorial"(which would be the least interesting thing they have ever done at a GenCon and to a great many people would likely feel like pandering; they didn't reveal the Caledonian Sectorial at a UK event or Merovingian at a French event so why reveal the US Sectorial at a US event?), is that we're going to see a second "Operation" box.
These posters are the same style as what we saw with Icestorm; right down to the formatting(check the corners of the pictures) still retaining the "frosted/iced" look of the Icestorm announcement build-ups.
Bostria has also said that the next box is Yu Jing v. Ariadna, and it's not beyond belief that USAriadna forces would be heavily favored in the Ariadna portion of the box similar to how Corregidor and Neoterra were heavily favored in Icestorm.
I wear a cowboy hat and shoot my bow all the time, no issues. I find that it increases my aim because it's as if the soul of John wayne himself is guiding me! *sarcasm at the end fella's* Though in all honesty if they're going to do grunt's right I hope they give them a M1911A1 style pistol, nothing says old 'Murica like that pistol.
Yu Jing v. Ariadna in an Icestorm sequel? Interesting. I have no minis for either faction (Yojimbo is a merc) and have no interest in getting any. So I'll just watch this one.
We started getting firm details about Icestorm sometime in July, IIRC-- a photo of the contents anyway, so we have 2-3 weeks before anything firm.
Really interesting interview, some of the questions in there..
Would you like to create similar starter sets for the other factions? [Reference discussion on Operation: Icestorm in the previous question]
Maybe in the future, but not this year, that is sure
Have you ever thought about turning Infinity into a videogame?
Yes there were at least three projects about that, and even with major companies, but eventually they were not successful. It is probably just a question of time when a company will release an Infinity video game, even if it's just a very simple one for a mobile phone or tablet. Ultimately though, our business is the miniature industry, so we are not going to spend too much time worrying about that.
What's next for the Infinity Universe? Can you give us any information on Archeron Falls?
Well, I would like to point [out] 'Archeron Falls' was a working title, not necessarily the final one, even if it has been very well known. We want to keep developing the Tohaa, as they are the newcomers in the Infinity universe and their players need more units to reach the same levels as the other factions. There are a lot of old models that need to be re-sculpted, and the same happens with previously released rules that need to be optimised to the N3 ruleset. A lot of work and interesting times for the Infinity players are coming!
I like that they are focusing on bringing old stuff up to scratch before worrying about moving on. It is a commendable practice, and certainly there is enough ancient stuff to be redone (Guijia in Yu Jing is older than time itself, I think) and newer profiles to introduce (Zhayedan and Govads for Haqq, for example) to justify that policy.
Nothing says USA more than the humble Segway with it's awesome offroad capability
WTF?!
I would say nothing says 'USA' and 'bikes' more than the flat track Indy mile!
But I don't know how appropriate those bikes would be..
I can't see anything else being any more inappropriate than the Haqqislam choppers or the Yu Jing crotch rockets. At least ALEPH (or whoever supplies their bikes; Yojimbo's got one too. I think it's a related model to the Aragoto bike) has tried to fit off-road tyres to theirs.
ShatteredBlade wrote: I wear a cowboy hat and shoot my bow all the time, no issues. I find that it increases my aim because it's as if the soul of John wayne himself is guiding me! *sarcasm at the end fella's* Though in all honesty if they're going to do grunt's right I hope they give them a M1911A1 style pistol, nothing says old 'Murica like that pistol.
John Wayne is your spirit guide.
The 1911 is pretty damn american. There is something about that pistol I really like but don't know what (Never fired one)
Nothing says USA more than the humble Segway with it's awesome offroad capability
WTF?!
I would say nothing says 'USA' and 'bikes' more than the flat track Indy mile!
But I don't know how appropriate those bikes would be..
I can't see anything else being any more inappropriate than the Haqqislam choppers or the Yu Jing crotch rockets. At least ALEPH (or whoever supplies their bikes; Yojimbo's got one too. I think it's a related model to the Aragoto bike) has tried to fit off-road tyres to theirs.
Why do poeple keep thinking Haqqislam choppers are made the way the look in world. Do you know how much aftermarket kits we put on are bikes here. Hint: Harley don't even sound like what you think Harley sound like without aftermarket tips and that just the start to a true Harley. Now think what war based tribes with limit tech would fit to there bikes.
ShatteredBlade wrote: I wear a cowboy hat and shoot my bow all the time, no issues. I find that it increases my aim because it's as if the soul of John wayne himself is guiding me! *sarcasm at the end fella's* Though in all honesty if they're going to do grunt's right I hope they give them a M1911A1 style pistol, nothing says old 'Murica like that pistol.
John Wayne is your spirit guide.
The 1911 is pretty damn american. There is something about that pistol I really like but don't know what (Never fired one)
Before you do fire one, I suggest you do some weight training. It is a heavy piece of work. I would have thought the Colt "Peacemaker" would be the iconic American pistol. <shrug>
GenCon starts 30 July this year, 2 weeks before the Interplanetary (CBs own tournament) so, less than 6 weeks off. Who from CB will be there this year?
Really interesting interview, some of the questions in there..
Would you like to create similar starter sets for the other factions? [Reference discussion on Operation: Icestorm in the previous question]
Maybe in the future, but not this year, that is sure
Have you ever thought about turning Infinity into a videogame?
Yes there were at least three projects about that, and even with major companies, but eventually they were not successful. It is probably just a question of time when a company will release an Infinity video game, even if it's just a very simple one for a mobile phone or tablet. Ultimately though, our business is the miniature industry, so we are not going to spend too much time worrying about that.
What's next for the Infinity Universe? Can you give us any information on Archeron Falls?
Well, I would like to point [out] 'Archeron Falls' was a working title, not necessarily the final one, even if it has been very well known. We want to keep developing the Tohaa, as they are the newcomers in the Infinity universe and their players need more units to reach the same levels as the other factions. There are a lot of old models that need to be re-sculpted, and the same happens with previously released rules that need to be optimised to the N3 ruleset. A lot of work and interesting times for the Infinity players are coming!
There are a lot of old models that need to be re-sculpted, and the same happens with previously released rules that need to be optimised to the N3 ruleset. A lot of work and interesting times for the Infinity players are coming!
Barzam wrote: That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.
There not really much of a chance of a new 2 player starter anyways, despite the same few people pushing the rumor they started themselves saying so. CB must know they need to stabilize their production infrastructure and settle into their new place before another massive push. It odd that the same people saying CB needs to learn from the O:IS mistakes are the same ones pushing the new 2 player starter idea.
Barzam wrote: That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.
There not really much of a chance of a new 2 player starter anyways, despite the same few people pushing the rumor they started themselves saying so. CB must know they need to stabilize their production infrastructure and settle into their new place before another massive push. It odd that the same people saying CB needs to learn from the O:IS mistakes are the same ones pushing the new 2 player starter idea.
Saying "I hope they do this, that would be awesome" is not starting a rumor.
Despite all the complaining on boards like this one, Icestorm was a resounding success. Wouldn't they want to capitalize on that with another type of 2 player experience? If they went to make a HS box, one would think CB would now be better prepared to handle the demand. They have a better idea of the scope of the audience they're reaching after the big N3 release.
Every month now CB is revisiting old models, condensing and updating their boxes & blisters, making the range more manageable. The more stuff they release, the easier their work becomes to package and ship product.
And really, how much work are we talking here? Icestorm wasn't some grandiose package. It was some simple printed material (simple compared to printing the N3 books), 2 starter sets (which they would be making already as independent releases), & 2 exclusive models.
Yes, it's purely speculation that they'll do it. However, if they were to announce it at GenCon, CB would likely be able to deliver a HS 2-player box set by December/January.
Barzam wrote: That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.
There not really much of a chance of a new 2 player starter anyways, despite the same few people pushing the rumor they started themselves saying so. CB must know they need to stabilize their production infrastructure and settle into their new place before another massive push. It odd that the same people saying CB needs to learn from the O:IS mistakes are the same ones pushing the new 2 player starter idea.
Saying "I hope they do this, that would be awesome" is not starting a rumor.
Despite all the complaining on boards like this one, Icestorm was a resounding success. Wouldn't they want to capitalize on that with another type of 2 player experience? If they went to make a HS box, one would think CB would now be better prepared to handle the demand. They have a better idea of the scope of the audience they're reaching after the big N3 release.
Every month now CB is revisiting old models, condensing and updating their boxes & blisters, making the range more manageable. The more stuff they release, the easier their work becomes to package and ship product.
And really, how much work are we talking here? Icestorm wasn't some grandiose package. It was some simple printed material (simple compared to printing the N3 books), 2 starter sets (which they would be making already as independent releases), & 2 exclusive models.
Yes, it's purely speculation that they'll do it. However, if they were to announce it at GenCon, CB would likely be able to deliver a HS 2-player box set by December/January.
About 3-4 month of their total production ability, if O:IS is anything to go by.
Barzam wrote: That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.
There not really much of a chance of a new 2 player starter anyways, despite the same few people pushing the rumor they started themselves saying so. CB must know they need to stabilize their production infrastructure and settle into their new place before another massive push. It odd that the same people saying CB needs to learn from the O:IS mistakes are the same ones pushing the new 2 player starter idea.
Saying "I hope they do this, that would be awesome" is not starting a rumor.
Despite all the complaining on boards like this one, Icestorm was a resounding success. Wouldn't they want to capitalize on that with another type of 2 player experience? If they went to make a HS box, one would think CB would now be better prepared to handle the demand. They have a better idea of the scope of the audience they're reaching after the big N3 release.
Every month now CB is revisiting old models, condensing and updating their boxes & blisters, making the range more manageable. The more stuff they release, the easier their work becomes to package and ship product.
And really, how much work are we talking here? Icestorm wasn't some grandiose package. It was some simple printed material (simple compared to printing the N3 books), 2 starter sets (which they would be making already as independent releases), & 2 exclusive models.
Yes, it's purely speculation that they'll do it. However, if they were to announce it at GenCon, CB would likely be able to deliver a HS 2-player box set by December/January.
About 3-4 month of their total production ability, if O:IS is anything to go by.
They were woefully unprepared for the demand for Icestorm. If they intend to do any releases that big again, they won't underestimate the market interest.
Nothing says USA more than the humble Segway with it's awesome offroad capability
WTF?!
I would say nothing says 'USA' and 'bikes' more than the flat track Indy mile!
But I don't know how appropriate those bikes would be..
I can't see anything else being any more inappropriate than the Haqqislam choppers or the Yu Jing crotch rockets. At least ALEPH (or whoever supplies their bikes; Yojimbo's got one too. I think it's a related model to the Aragoto bike) has tried to fit off-road tyres to theirs.
The Kum choppers have off road tyres though (well, sci fi off road tyres)... I mean, I agree that the tarmac scraping style of a chopper isn't fantastically thought out for a bunch of guys that do off road riding, but of all the things to pick out, you picked that?
ShatteredBlade wrote: I wear a cowboy hat and shoot my bow all the time, no issues. I find that it increases my aim because it's as if the soul of John wayne himself is guiding me! *sarcasm at the end fella's* Though in all honesty if they're going to do grunt's right I hope they give them a M1911A1 style pistol, nothing says old 'Murica like that pistol.
John Wayne is your spirit guide.
The 1911 is pretty damn american. There is something about that pistol I really like but don't know what (Never fired one)
Before you do fire one, I suggest you do some weight training. It is a heavy piece of work. I would have thought the Colt "Peacemaker" would be the iconic American pistol. <shrug>
GenCon starts 30 July this year, 2 weeks before the Interplanetary (CBs own tournament) so, less than 6 weeks off. Who from CB will be there this year?
Really interesting interview, some of the questions in there..
Would you like to create similar starter sets for the other factions? [Reference discussion on Operation: Icestorm in the previous question]
Maybe in the future, but not this year, that is sure
Have you ever thought about turning Infinity into a videogame?
Yes there were at least three projects about that, and even with major companies, but eventually they were not successful. It is probably just a question of time when a company will release an Infinity video game, even if it's just a very simple one for a mobile phone or tablet. Ultimately though, our business is the miniature industry, so we are not going to spend too much time worrying about that.
What's next for the Infinity Universe? Can you give us any information on Archeron Falls?
Well, I would like to point [out] 'Archeron Falls' was a working title, not necessarily the final one, even if it has been very well known. We want to keep developing the Tohaa, as they are the newcomers in the Infinity universe and their players need more units to reach the same levels as the other factions. There are a lot of old models that need to be re-sculpted, and the same happens with previously released rules that need to be optimised to the N3 ruleset. A lot of work and interesting times for the Infinity players are coming!
Thanks for posting this.
Yeah you're not joking they are quite heavy. And I do agree the peacemaker and the 1911 are both pretty iconic. Maybe the hardcases with the peacemaker and the grunts with 1911's would be how that would work, even though they don't really fire the same thing it'd just be really american. Anyways I can't wait for archeron falls and I'm waiting patiently for anything else to come along.
[Despite all the complaining on boards like this one, Icestorm was a resounding success.
You'll have to elaborate, otherwise you're imagining things or simply claiming something that is not true. I've read complaints how it was handled (unclear answer concerning LE in the content, prioritisation of different markets and time delays) and consider them valid. I also love Dakka, posters play other games and will offer different views, it's quite refreshing from official and its spin off Data Sphere boards.
[Despite all the complaining on boards like this one, Icestorm was a resounding success.
You'll have to elaborate, otherwise you're imagining things or simply claiming something that is not true. I've read complaints how it was handled (unclear answer concerning LE in the content, prioritisation of different markets and time delays) and consider them valid. I also love Dakka, posters play other games and will offer different views, it's quite refreshing from official and its spin off Data Sphere boards.
Its an argument to flesh out on another thread. And I'm sure there are many of them.
In short...
It was pretty clear to me. From Carlos in the BoW videos:
1: Preorder O:I and you get the CSU lady.
2: The Father Knight & Rev. Healer, not packaged in normal starters, come with O:I regardless.
3: The rules included are merely starter rules. The complete N3 book will follow.
The delays we suffered were due to an an overwhelming demand. That is a GOOD thing. It clearly indicates the game is growing as a share of the market. More players is good for business and the community. They're not a huge company. I do not begrudge them some growing pains because the quality is still up there among the best.
With the experience under their belt and a better idea of how many people would preorder, CB is now better prepared to try again with a 2 player box for HS. This is why I am hoping they decide to do it.
I'll put it another way though.
Image that CB does indeed make a 2 player starter box (a la Operation: Icestorm) to come out with HS.
I could understand having no interest if it's 2 factions you don't play... I'd be hesitant if it were Tohaa & Aleph for example.
However, who here would NOT buy it because they were so very disappointed with Operation: Icestorm?
I think if people were very disappointed with O:I, they probably wouldn't be buying anything else at all anyway..
That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.
Is that something that CB would likely make such a fuss about with the pre-Gencon amble?
I wonder, if it's not going to be a new Two-player starter set along the lines of Icestorm (assuming Gutier is not telling porkies in that interview), what else is it likely to be?
I like the cowboy hat guy. No, not everyone in America wears a cowboy hat but remember that Ariadna are expats. There's a big Aussie and Canadian expat community here and on Australia Day/Canada Day there's hats with corks dangling and red maple leafs painted onto faces all over the place. When you're tens of thousands of years from home that sort of stuff tends to become more important. Plus, he looks like the Arrow, which is badass.
Pacific wrote: I think if people were very disappointed with O:I, they probably wouldn't be buying anything else at all anyway..
That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.
Is that something that CB would likely make such a fuss about with the pre-Gencon amble?
I wonder, if it's not going to be a new Two-player starter set along the lines of Icestorm (assuming Gutier is not telling porkies in that interview), what else is it likely to be?
They did adverts like that for things as little as Ko Dali.
Actually nearly all expats are more -ish than the people in the country they come from. So, the bow-guy fits in quite well.
Despite all the complaining on boards like this one, Icestorm was a resounding success. Wouldn't they want to capitalize on that with another type of 2 player experience? If they went to make a HS box, one would think CB would now be better prepared to handle the demand. They have a better idea of the scope of the audience they're reaching after the big N3 release.
And really, how much work are we talking here? Icestorm wasn't some grandiose package. It was some simple printed material (simple compared to printing the N3 books), 2 starter sets (which they would be making already as independent releases), & 2 exclusive models.
Yes, it's purely speculation that they'll do it. However, if they were to announce it at GenCon, CB would likely be able to deliver a HS 2-player box set by December/January.
It was a huge success and it still drives sales, but another box of this kind would not really do the job. First, packaging and layout drives the cost up with new products and a new box would need lots of it. They could reuse some of it from OI, but still it is a lot of work. Second they would need a massive redesign for those two factions included in the box which would require a lot of work. With the speed of current releases I can´t see them having time for something big like such a box. The starter sets had the bonus of being reusable for seperate release but still took more time to design than the ususal box-upgrades since they had to fit in with the other OI contents. OI also was the first real starter-box for Infinity that included everything. Looking at GW and PP, there is a reason they do not release a new starter box every year. It would be to costly to juggle several such boxes that include two factions. Single faction boxes are far easier to sell.
One future option that is far more plausible would be army-packs like the ones PP offers. You get a nice discount and you are set for quite some time and you just need a box and sleeve that holds it together. Way less work but definitly a hit with customers and logistically quite easy to handle, even for the customers who do not have to wonder what to do with the other faction they do not want.
Pacific wrote: I think if people were very disappointed with O:I, they probably wouldn't be buying anything else at all anyway..
That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.
Is that something that CB would likely make such a fuss about with the pre-Gencon amble?
I wonder, if it's not going to be a new Two-player starter set along the lines of Icestorm (assuming Gutier is not telling porkies in that interview), what else is it likely to be?
They did adverts like that for things as little as Ko Dali.
Yes, although it tied in with the whole Paradiso release/Ko-Dali being sepsitorised and turned into a CA agent.
Its an argument to flesh out on another thread. And I'm sure there are many of them. In short... It was pretty clear to me. From Carlos in the BoW videos: 1: Preorder O:I and you get the CSU lady.
This information was clearly conveyed. You're missing the problem that occurred after it was known that pre-orders are greater than initial printed copies. New and interested people frequently asked on forums and no official feedback* was given, if they'll be able to receive LE along with their pre-order. Carlos later stated that people will receive LE with their pre-order, however he didn't say they're going to print more of them.
However, who here would NOT buy it because they were so very disappointed with Operation: Icestorm?
I hope you won't take silence as answer to your question. Those that considered it a catastrophic failure are probably doing other interests. If you are forgiving to their time delays, it's rather unreasonable to expect all others would be too.
* to my knowledge and this only applies to international forum.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I like the cowboy hat guy. No, not everyone in America wears a cowboy hat but remember that Ariadna are expats. There's a big Aussie and Canadian expat community here and on Australia Day/Canada Day there's hats with corks dangling and red maple leafs painted onto faces all over the place. When you're tens of thousands of years from home that sort of stuff tends to become more important. Plus, he looks like the Arrow, which is badass.
The funny thing with that is I don't know of anyone in recent memory that unironically wore a hat with corks hanging off it. That's like Fosters beer - everyone attributes it to Australia except for Australians.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I like the cowboy hat guy. No, not everyone in America wears a cowboy hat but remember that Ariadna are expats. There's a big Aussie and Canadian expat community here and on Australia Day/Canada Day there's hats with corks dangling and red maple leafs painted onto faces all over the place. When you're tens of thousands of years from home that sort of stuff tends to become more important. Plus, he looks like the Arrow, which is badass.
The funny thing with that is I don't know of anyone in recent memory that unironically wore a hat with corks hanging off it. That's like Fosters beer - everyone attributes it to Australia except for Australians.
The Fosters adverts really make me laugh because it's all Australian accents and Australian slang and at the bottom in small writing it just says 'brewed in the U.K.'
Its an argument to flesh out on another thread. And I'm sure there are many of them.
In short...
It was pretty clear to me. From Carlos in the BoW videos:
1: Preorder O:I and you get the CSU lady.
This information was clearly conveyed. You're missing the problem that occurred after it was known that pre-orders are greater than initial printed copies. New and interested people frequently asked on forums and no official feedback* was given, if they'll be able to receive LE along with their pre-order. Carlos later stated that people will receive LE with their pre-order, however he didn't say they're going to print more of them.
However, who here would NOT buy it because they were so very disappointed with Operation: Icestorm?
I hope you won't take silence as answer to your question. Those that considered it a catastrophic failure are probably doing other interests. If you are forgiving to their time delays, it's rather unreasonable to expect all others would be too.
* to my knowledge and this only applies to international forum.
All I know is I ordered it in August and it came as advertised in mid December. If you "preordered" the day before the official release, yeah I expect it did not arrive as soon. I know miniature market and warstore were allotted only so many copies of the initial run that they could vouch for.
And really, the LE CSU was one optional model you don't need. The "limited" bit means everyone may not get one. CB would have been within their rights to limit it to the first 2k orders of the initial run. Are people really petty enough to swear off the entire game because they didn't get some extra tidbit?
Its not like everyone ran out to preorder just for a rather unremarkable model you could easily replace with a token.
There were some bumps, but nothing unforgivable. It's not like people simply didn't get their preorders, or that large swathes of the boxes were somehow defective.
If CB ever tries another venture like Icestorm again, I'd buy it in a heartbeat along with many other infinity players. I hope they're planning one for HS.
And really, the LE CSU was one optional model you don't need. The "limited" bit means everyone may not get one. CB would have been within their rights to limit it to the first 2k orders of the initial run. Are people really petty enough to swear off the entire game because they didn't get some extra tidbit?
Its not like everyone ran out to preorder just for a rather unremarkable model you could easily replace with a token.
Actually, while she's an "unremarkable model" in terms of the box itself...she's a valid unit choice for Neoterran players, but nobody knew that until long after Icestorm had sold out.
And really, the LE CSU was one optional model you don't need. The "limited" bit means everyone may not get one. CB would have been within their rights to limit it to the first 2k orders of the initial run. Are people really petty enough to swear off the entire game because they didn't get some extra tidbit?
Its not like everyone ran out to preorder just for a rather unremarkable model you could easily replace with a token.
Actually, while she's an "unremarkable model" in terms of the box itself...she's a valid unit choice for Neoterran players, but nobody knew that until long after Icestorm had sold out.
Yeah that's true. I assume people also proxy her for a handful of other profiles out there.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: Are people really petty enough to swear off the entire game because they didn't get some extra tidbit? Its not like everyone ran out to preorder just for a rather unremarkable model you could easily replace with a token.
The thing is, some of us are completionists. Barring the last few releases (and some knights which are still on the wishlist) I have every PanO model out there at least once. I'd like to complete that collection. Can't imagine I'm the only one, either.
Not having proper access to a listed unit (or even any limited model) like that is something I seriously dislike.
Enough to turn me away from the game? Naah, of course not. Anymore. There's a few systems I decided not to get involved in (despite liking the first few/demo games I played) because this limited models gak seemed to be the primary business model.
If this gak had been going on around the time I got into infinity, yeah, I might have decided to keep looking for other options. As it is, I still loathe the practice but I'm invested now anyway and, luckily, I seem to have gotten in before the PanO limited models became a 'thing'. Can't imagine I'm the only one to find this sort of thing so off-putting, so yeah, I think there's more than a few potential players who decided this was potentially more of a mess than they'd like to get involved in.
Guildsman wrote: You're absolutely right. Looks like three grunts, a motorcycle, three other infantry, and maybe a dog-warrior?
There's more than one wolfman.
Look directly to the right and you can see what looks like a hunched over wolfman.
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Alpharius wrote: I note a distinct lack of cowboy hats in that silhouette - whoo hoo!
Yup!
It looks like the Foxtrot Rangers retained their boonie hats.
It's also possible that the silhouette on the farthest left is a Minuteman, because it looks like it could be a helmet or a skullcap rather than a boonie hat.
So I'm going to go out on a very short limb and say that we'll get a big reveal on the 4th of July for USAriadna... *Captain Obvious... up, up, and away!*
edit: That actually puts it on the same day as the Age of Sigmar WHFB reveal/final nail.
Dirt bikes could be cool; we already have heavy road bikes in Haqqislam, and fast sports bikes in Yu Jing, so offroad dirt bikes would make for a change. And then my dreams of redoing the start of Akira with multiple factions all going insane with extremely impetuous orders and smoke grenades can come to life.
This year is the year of "Acheron Falls", and Vedic have apparently been axed from the book.
Sorry to bring up a quote from over a month ago... but is Acheron Falls still supposed to come out this year, or did the N3HS book push it back?
Is it any more clear what the CA sectorial will be in Acheron Falls? Last I heard, it was either going to be a Sygmaa sectorial or an EI sectorial (with Sygmaa included).
What are the odds of Acheron Falls news at Gen con?
This year is the year of "Acheron Falls", and Vedic have apparently been axed from the book.
Sorry to bring up a quote from over a month ago... but is Acheron Falls still supposed to come out this year, or did the N3HS book push it back?
Is it any more clear what the CA sectorial will be in Acheron Falls? Last I heard, it was either going to be a Sygmaa sectorial or an EI sectorial (with Sygmaa included).
What are the odds of Acheron Falls news at Gen con?
Acheron Falls is pushed back until 2016, at the earliest.
What are the odds of Acheron Falls news at Gen con?
Probably pretty good. The gencon presentations tend to preview stuff many months in advance so even if Acheron gets pushed to 2016 there will still likely be news.
What are the odds of Acheron Falls news at Gen con?
Probably pretty good. The gencon presentations tend to preview stuff many months in advance so even if Acheron gets pushed to 2016 there will still likely be news.
It's actually very doubtful. They've been starting to clam up a lot more in regards to their projects.
The fact that nobody had an inkling of Human Sphere for N3 is a prime example of this.
It's actually very doubtful. They've been starting to clam up a lot more in regards to their projects.
The fact that nobody had an inkling of Human Sphere for N3 is a prime example of this.
I guess we'll see in a few months. I can only speak to genccon presentations and beasts of war promo week videos as those are the only two that I follow independent of this thread. Did the Human Sphere N3 book come out yet? If not, then the fact that it has been discussed for a month or two indicates that they still are previewing things months in advance and not clamming up too much.
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B0B MaRlEy wrote: I've gotta say I'm midly disappointed in the lack of cowboy hats ...
Maybe they'll surprise you with a baseball cap or two in the lineup.
It's actually very doubtful. They've been starting to clam up a lot more in regards to their projects.
The fact that nobody had an inkling of Human Sphere for N3 is a prime example of this.
I guess we'll see in a few months. I can only speak to genccon presentations and beasts of war promo week videos as those are the only two that I follow independent of this thread. Did the Human Sphere N3 book come out yet? If not, then the fact that it has been discussed for a month or two indicates that they still are previewing things months in advance and not clamming up too much.
There was no lead-up to it like there was N3. For almost a month before the announcement of N3 itself, there were rumblings.
This came right out of the blue.
There literally was what amounted to a "There's a big announcement coming!" and then boom, Human Sphere. A lot of people expected it to be related to Acheron Falls in fact.
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B0B MaRlEy wrote: I've gotta say I'm midly disappointed in the lack of cowboy hats ...
Maybe they'll surprise you with a baseball cap or two in the lineup.
There's a baseball cap on the silhouette closest to the Antipode on the left.
warboss wrote: So I'm going to go out on a very short limb and say that we'll get a big reveal on the 4th of July for USAriadna... *Captain Obvious... up, up, and away!*
Yup, a sectional more "proof" for NOT a 2-player starter. I mean there is likely a reason Angel is doing USAriadna this year instead of just Fusiliers like with O:IS.
CB know where it need to focus to grow. US style bikers last year USAriadna this year.
ski2060 wrote: It's going to be a new boxed set style, larger than the normal starters.
Army box, with 8-12 models. Maybe more. Enough to give you a 300 point force for ITS, with maybe extra models to swap for preference.
Think Privateer army boxes, or GW Battleforce boxes, but for Infinity.
Why the idea is neat, your examples show it is better to sell part of the needed force. So people still need to by more, to get to the standerd point level played.
I reckon that silhouette looks something like an tour/trail bike, something like a KTM adventure or BMW Enduro, perhaps even with the panniers
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CB were really astute with their design of the bike that Penthouse rides (there were a lot of elements that relate to cutting-edge design that's happening right now within the industry) - hopefully they have taken a similar route here, rather than with the chopper-style design!
There were a few of these bundles IIRC, but they were short lived. I started collecting after the offer ended. Seemed like a good way to get players locked & loaded right away with a 300 pt list.
Interesting choice if they decide to revisit this idea.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: Perhaps they're going to make sectorial bundles as they once did...
Such as this
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Or this
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There were a few of these bundles, but they were short lived. I started collecting after they were all sold out. Seemed like a good way to get players locked & loaded right away with a 300 pt list.
Interesting choice if they decide to revisit this idea.
The BoW Infinity bundles, yeah they were great deals. But, they aren't Sectional. Would like to see what a Tohaa one would look like.
More like the spine on the power armor for a Janissary? Or some other power armor.
I see 6 figures for the starter, the Werewolf and something else (Dogface and Dog Warrior) and a biker. Although the Bike may have two riders. That would be interesting.
The 4th is on a Saturday. Either the 3rd or the 6th will be the big day for the reveal. The USAriadna sectorial box and the GenCon special mini, another biker. (<sigh> Enough already with the bikers.) And an American Werewolf in London on Dawn. Speculation based entirely on that image of course. We will know in 2 weeks.
CB has surprised us-- well, me anyway-- quite a bit recently, so take my guess with a generous portion of NaCl.
I'm pleased to see that 'Murca will be getting at least one werewolf. They're supposed to be something of a buffer between the Antipodes and the rest of the Ariadna nations, so it makes sense that they'd have them. I'm just hoping we'll get a Tesium armored werewolf. With an autocannon for good measure.
Barzam wrote: I'm pleased to see that 'Murca will be getting at least one werewolf. They're supposed to be something of a buffer between the Antipodes and the rest of the Ariadna nations, so it makes sense that they'd have them. I'm just hoping we'll get a Tesium armored werewolf. With an autocannon for good measure.
Your joking right, Ariadna can make Autocannon small enough for a human to carry and fire. The wolf gets a HMRC, but only one they aren't HIs after all.
So wait. There's a USAriadna model with a tactical bow. Cowboy hat is a given but... he's from 'Murica in spaaa'aaace and he doesn't have a gun? Way to break stereotypes CB!
SO there's cowboy hats, tactical bows, bikers, and werewolves? Damn, I'll have to see it all together but I'm maybe interested.
GrimDork wrote: So wait. There's a USAriadna model with a tactical bow. Cowboy hat is a given but... he's from 'Murica in spaaa'aaace and he doesn't have a gun? Way to break stereotypes CB!
SO there's cowboy hats, tactical bows, bikers, and werewolves? Damn, I'll have to see it all together but I'm maybe interested.
He's got a gun. The Hardcase has a Bow and either a shotgun or a rifle. This way, you can use this model as both. It's basically a crazy survivalist loner nutjob in the woods with an arsenal of weapons, who's coming out to defend his land. Pretty damn American.
As for that sniper shot? There's only one series of models with spines like that. And it's a PanOceanic light TAG series...
This guy looks genuinely terrifying. I already had to take home two heavy infantry in body bags from his compatriot, so I'm not looking forward to seeing this model across the table from me D:
Looks pretty cool. Is tthat three separate models in three separate boxes or can you make any one of the three variants out of one box with extra bits?
warboss wrote: Looks pretty cool. Is tthat three separate models in three separate boxes or can you make any one of the three variants out of one box with extra bits?
The twin missile launcher variant is one blister - he's been out for months now. This new one with the HRMC is a separate blister pack.
Charles Rampant wrote: This guy looks genuinely terrifying. I already had to take home two heavy infantry in body bags from his compatriot, so I'm not looking forward to seeing this model across the table from me D:
You'll be pleased to know I was fiddling with Infinity Army last night trying to put together an army with both of them in. Next step, convert up one with the MULTI HMG. The tricky bit there will be trying to sculpt the gun.
If the new models keep being this good I may have to start an Invincibles army. Sigh, another faction to get into, more money lost. I cheer, my wallet weeps, the cycle continues.
Knight wrote: The HMC profile is ludicrously good. I hope the updated profiles in Human sphere are going to balance the power distribution.
Their size and low MOV are considerable weaknesses. They're poorly equipped for CC as well.
A sneaky infiltrator, AD, or impersonator could dispatch them easily. They're also hacker bait, something Yu Jing doesn't do very well.
There are a lot of profiles with 4-2 movement. All of my MI for instance, I basically need plan to spend command tokens on them (Bolts and Bagh Mari). The difference is that Yuan Hao is there for fire support, you don't need a lot of MOV or plan to spend a lot of orders to get it into position. It stings when you need to but it's not a major downside, you can be in a good position to dominate the game from the start.
The size isn't that worrying. It also gives you an opportunity to abuse that slightly larger silhouette to catch others into your LoF. I suppose you could be in partial cover during your reactive turn, however locally it's more common to see more expensive models in total cover and shielded by cheaper units. Cover can be problematic, however same can be said for any other silhouette size. I've played on variety of tables where certain profiles had better effect than others.
CC isn't likely to happen. Walking Father Knight from one deployment zone to another would likely be tedious and unlikely to be productive.
AD and infiltrators are a coin flip, depending on the mission. Exclusion zones change a lot. NCA for instance greatly benefits from them and Nomads rage when they can't put their camo tokens up the mid table. It's doable, however on average I find it harder then before to assassinate a specific model. Not to mention it might also be complete waste of time as certain missions demand quite a lot of orders on specialists. However that's something that speaks of a mission design and how they encourage certain types of lists.
If PanO manages to hack you, while you're hanging in the backfield and under fairy dust protocol.
I'd deal with it the same way as TAG, target it in active turn and hope it goes down. However preferably ignore it and capture objectives, force the player to spend orders on other elements.
Absolutionis wrote: Looks very similar to a (real-world) modern army motorcycle. I'm somewhat happy they didn't go for civilian Harley Davidsons.
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Also a female silhouette with no hair possibly implies that they'll be wearing helmets.
I think you're right on both counts. Although I'm guessing they will have moved on from diesel engines, not least on a motorbike, at that time in the future !
Alpharius wrote: Not sure how you're so sure right now but...sure!
The person in the art has a pretty pronounced "S" curve to it's body- I'm not saying it's for sure female, but if a model is based on that art it's going to be more "cheesecakey" than others.
Mr.Church13 wrote: I agree. The werewolves are the worst part of Ariadna. I was really hoping The U.S. Faction would downplay them. Guess not.
Honestly, the US faction downplaying them is virtually impossible.
USAriadna is constantly at war with the Antipode tribes, and the animosity between the Antipodes and USAriadnans is to the point where the first fortress-city we've seen for USAriadna(in the N3 Core book)?
There are crucified antipodes on the walls.
My annoyance is the fact that they chose to label them as the Marines--because y'know, Marines have been called "Devil Dogs" since WWI. The guys at Corvus Belli think they're clever with crap like that and it really is nothing but annoying.
Seriously, how many repackaged spec ops do you guys want?
Spetznaz, metroids, SAS... Surely something new needs to be added to a scifi game otherwise it's like playing call of duty.
The funny part is that if you take a look at the Merovingian Sectorial? There is literally one werewolf in the entire faction, as part of a two model character set(Margot and Duroc).
Yet nobody claimed that Sectorial needed "more scifi"...
Mr.Church13 wrote: I agree. The werewolves are the worst part of Ariadna. I was really hoping The U.S. Faction would downplay them. Guess not.
Honestly, the US faction downplaying them is virtually impossible.
USAriadna is constantly at war with the Antipode tribes, and the animosity between the Antipodes and USAriadnans is to the point where the first fortress-city we've seen for USAriadna(in the N3 Core book)?
There are crucified antipodes on the walls.
My annoyance is the fact that they chose to label them as the Marines--because y'know, Marines have been called "Devil Dogs" since WWI. The guys at Corvus Belli think they're clever with crap like that and it really is nothing but annoying.
I think that's a stretch, I NEVER hear marines referred to as devil dogs outside of textbooks.
Now, if they had mason jars for hats I'd see your beef.
Seriously, how many repackaged spec ops do you guys want?
Spetznaz, metroids, SAS... Surely something new needs to be added to a scifi game otherwise it's like playing call of duty.
The funny part is that if you take a look at the Merovingian Sectorial? There is literally one werewolf in the entire faction, as part of a two model character set(Margot and Duroc).
Yet nobody claimed that Sectorial needed "more scifi"...
Kan, I'm talking the Ariadnan faction as a whole, not sectorials. Clearly if every model has dog parts it becomes tired, but sionce as you stated, USA Marines fight them the most, it makes the most sense for them to have dog faces.
I think that's a stretch, I NEVER hear marines referred to as devil dogs outside of textbooks.
Now, if they had mason jars for hats I'd see your beef.
It's really not that much of a stretch. The guys at Corvus Belli love to talk about how they are "big fans of history" and how they "have been trying to incorporate historical elements without going too far" from their own ideas.
See the "Grenzers" for Tunguska as an example.
Red Corsair wrote: Kan, I'm talking the Ariadnan faction as a whole, not sectorials. Clearly if every model has dog parts it becomes tired, but sionce as you stated, USA Marines fight them the most, it makes the most sense for them to have dog faces.
I stated that USAriadna fight them the most.
Going by Corvus Belli's own fluff, there was no Marine contingent in the settlers. It was a Ranger security detachment.
I think that's a stretch, I NEVER hear marines referred to as devil dogs outside of textbooks.
Now, if they had mason jars for hats I'd see your beef.
It's really not that much of a stretch. The guys at Corvus Belli love to talk about how they are "big fans of history" and how they "have been trying to incorporate historical elements without going too far" from their own ideas.
See the "Grenzers" for Tunguska as an example.
But why is that bad? Your making it sound like the reference is outright full ham in your face when it isn't. I have no problem with a nod to a historical referrence when it fits and is not forced. It could be coincidence, probably not as you stated, but the fact that we are debating it means they aren't hamfisting it in like a GW trope.
I think that's a stretch, I NEVER hear marines referred to as devil dogs outside of textbooks.
Now, if they had mason jars for hats I'd see your beef.
It's really not that much of a stretch. The guys at Corvus Belli love to talk about how they are "big fans of history" and how they "have been trying to incorporate historical elements without going too far" from their own ideas.
See the "Grenzers" for Tunguska as an example.
Red Corsair wrote: Kan, I'm talking the Ariadnan faction as a whole, not sectorials. Clearly if every model has dog parts it becomes tired, but sionce as you stated, USA Marines fight them the most, it makes the most sense for them to have dog faces.
I stated that USAriadna fight them the most.
Going by Corvus Belli's own fluff, there was no Marine contingent in the settlers. It was a Ranger security detachment.
Well heres the best part, it's their game so anything they chose becomes canon. It's kind of moot to argue with a game creator about his design choices. All I am saying is that the referrence to Devil Dogs your making is not in your face at all. Nobody refers to marines by that anymore.
Kanluwen wrote: The simple fact that they could have used ANY of the other silhouettes means that yes, it is hamfisted in there.
Especially considering the fact as well that for years Corvus Belli has insisted that there is no Marine Corps in USAriadna.
yet people demand them, and fun fact, most people I know or talk to who are new to INFINITY only consider Ariadna because of the wolves. Without the Antipodes they are just present day spec ops in a future setting=Blah.
Kanluwen wrote: The simple fact that they could have used ANY of the other silhouettes means that yes, it is hamfisted in there.
Especially considering the fact as well that for years Corvus Belli has insisted that there is no Marine Corps in USAriadna.
yet people demand them, and fun fact, most people I know or talk to who are new to INFINITY only consider Ariadna because of the wolves. Without the Antipodes they are just present day spec ops in a future setting=Blah.
I think you're refuting an argument I'm not making.
I have no issue with Antipodes in USAriadna.
My beef is with the fact that, again, we're getting the "Spanish take on America". Since day one, USAriadna has been the only one of the Ariadnan factions which have been excluded from the whole "X culture evolves over the centuries" which we see with Ariadna. They're Coke swilling rednecks, yet despite the fact that the science team(which was "primarily Caucasian and Asian-American") was outnumbered by the security detachment of Army Rangers("primarily consisting of Latino and African-Americans")--we somehow ended up with a culture with a bunch of muscle bound white rednecks and a character based on Matthew "I can't ever wear a shirt with sleeves" McConaughey, in a culture seemingly most concerned with establishing a Coca Cola factory in a hostile environment and ensuring that the recipe for doughnuts was kept safe.
And now we get a Marine Corps, from appearances, consisting of another "second class citizen" in the form of the Dogfaces(half-breeds) Synchronized with an Antipode.
another vote for the wolves! I own a game store and they sell ariadna like all you can eat hot cakes!
but then i have some players (2-3) who play mostly historiical games but they love the rules for infintiy and want to play ariadna due to the feel of all the sneaky spec-ops guys that seem very present day. They like the idea of classic military with no super tech wooping on sci-fi....
We used to say "Hey Devil Dog" to each other and if we were feeling really great we'd throw in a tefulhunden. I'd really like to play a present day force in the Infinity setting without wolves.
Wulf328 wrote: We used to say "Hey Devil Dog" to each other and if we were feeling really great we'd throw in a tefulhunden. I'd really like to play a present day force in the Infinity setting without wolves.
To give you a good idea, there are very few units in Infinity which are "must-haves". The ones that are "must-haves" right now are profiles rather than units(to give an example: The Nomad Intruder Assault Commandos unit is a great unit to pull profiles from, with each profile being really good. The only one which some might say is a "must-have" is the Heavy Machine Gun or the MULTI-Sniper Rifle), so you can generally make a list and exclude units you dislike.
Wulf328 wrote: We used to say "Hey Devil Dog" to each other and if we were feeling really great we'd throw in a tefulhunden. I'd really like to play a present day force in the Infinity setting without wolves.
That's how I do it. No wolves in my ariadna anything. Actually I think I might start looking for some aliens styles exo suits to proxy over them.
I love the low tech vs high tech. Just wish they had went with ancient deisel powered low tech robots than wolf guys.
But I think we can all agree at least it's not zombies or dinosaurs.
Is... is that a werewolf riding an Antipode? Please tell me that's what I'm seeing. Even if it isn't, the idea of gaving an Antipode synched with a Dog Face is interesting. I'm very curious to see how that would work in the rules.
And for the record, I'm glad to see the canine representation in USAriadna since it does fit the fluff. But, I suppose I'm also somewhat biased since I like werewolves anyway.
And a cowboy hat.. in she-wolf form... in a cheesecake pose... 10% out of scale... just to see the reaction in this thread. Come on, Carlos! Whip up some quick concept art to whip up the thread!
Absolutionis wrote: It's not riding.
You can see the Dog-Face's two feet at ground-level. Plus, the Dog-Face is way too far back.
Aww. No Warg cavalry. Damn. Hopefully they'll be wearing Tesium armor at the very least.
Here I was imagining something akin to the original transformers movie where the junkicons rode the motorcycles, and when they crashed the motorcycle transformed into the new rider and the previous rider became the motorcycle.....just with werewolf Calvary.
Going by Corvus Belli's own fluff, there was no Marine contingent in the settlers. It was a Ranger security detachment.
At the same time when USAriadna was established doesn't mean that they can't re-establish other parts of their military that they didn't take with them. In terms of fluff the USAriadna marine corps could have been re-established specifically for dogfaces that wished to serve in the USAriadna military. Both in the models and the fluff this is not the first time CB has done something like this, just look at the new 45th with faces taken straight out of movies like Braveheart and the 13th Warrior. In addition to an Aleph recreation of William Wallace for...Caledonia (the Scotsmen of infinity) because wearing tartans into a futuristic combat setting makes so much sense and is not hamfisted for that sectorial army.
Just recently the 1st Marine Special Operations Battalion was renamed to the 1st Marine Raider Battalion a unit that only existed for 2 years in WW2.
There are elements that are less influenced by pop image. I sympathise with the view that wishes to see something more fluid or rather something you might expect to see when an isolated society needs to face the challenges on an alien planet. I don't see a problem with naming regiments or adapting a loose structure after some historical inspiration, however I'd like to see them named after something new too.
Absolutionis wrote: It's not riding. You can see the Dog-Face's two feet at ground-level. Plus, the Dog-Face is way too far back.
Aww. No Warg cavalry. Damn. Hopefully they'll be wearing Tesium armor at the very least.
Here I was imagining something akin to the original transformers movie where the junkicons rode the motorcycles, and when they crashed the motorcycle transformed into the new rider and the previous rider became the motorcycle.....just with werewolf Calvary.
Looks rather fun! Definitely a cool Manga-feel about it with robots flying about gibbing each other, will have to see if I can get enough TAGs together to give it a try..
Most awesome TAG I have is the Jotum. It may become the 2nd most awesome TAG when I get the Maghariba Guard. We'll see. I would have mentioned the Tikbalang/Toni but I don't think we'll ever get that.
The Seraph or Uhlan is coming soon. Probably the Uhlan. NCA sectorial
I thought we were getting Seraph first? Either way I'll be happy. I've already got 5 TAGs and an unoffocial Zandris TAG, I have no problem adding more that list.
No Idea when .Mikes. I think the proverbial soon. But the rumour is that one is coming and it is not the Tikbalang.
Oh look at that tinbot. CB is getting a might cutsey with these little helper minis, eh? It is a cool little piece though... And, BSG Janissary as expected. AP rifle Janissary as expected but it is has a medipistol too, and, mirabile dictu, what might that ( Possibly a female?) Janissary be carrying? A missile Launcher A new profile. And they fixed the the chicken legs that the HMG has. Nice. I like these Janissaries much better than the HMG mini. This is a pretty good box. Yeah, I want it.
The Tohaa just keep going from strength to strength.
Red Harvest wrote: what might that ( Possibly a female?) Janissary be carrying? A missile Launcher A new profile. And they fixed the the chicken legs that the HMG has. Nice.
Oh my, I didn't even notice the tits on the ML, now that is a well executed femail HI that gives only a small visual clue about gender. Though on looking closer it seems the legs are a little wider too. I can approve of this.
A tinbot. A doctor! Finally a non-Ghulam doctor model! And a new profile, a Jann with a HRL, that is also a female.
I like that box. It does leave the question though - how do you make a full link with new Jann models? I'm assuming that, with the Hunzakut being the only non-redesigned model in the starter, a new generic Haqq starter will be on the way with a redesigned Jann AP rifle, redesigned Ghulam, and something to replace the Naffatun.
Ugh... I'm torn. I like the models but they are even different from the HMG Jan much less how far from the starter Jan they are (which is my favorite!). So a link is going to look really hodgepodge.
I wish they didn't feel obliged to put female models everywhere. Granted that one doesn't have her midrift showing or bending at the waist to pick up her gun or something idiotic. But it's a bit annoying. Hopefully it's not noticeable on-table.
Igao chips away at my resistance to collecting Tohaa. Nice model for them again!
The new ones seem to really have bulky legs, bulkier torso (the gray things over the shoulders are MUCH bigger), and the heads seem lower on the torsos somehow. It may all be the single shot vs. a group shot angle. Just concerned they'll look different when run close together inside a Link ZoC.
As for females, I'd just prefer male models mostly, at least for the HI. I'm a pig lol.
The new ones have bulkier legs than the HMG one but his are too thin anyway and the aesthetic is the same. They'll look fine as a link. And there are way way more male HI models than female. We have what, one janissary and Joan of Arc for females..?
ImAGeek wrote: The new ones have bulkier legs than the HMG one but his are too thin anyway and the aesthetic is the same. They'll look fine as a link. And there are way way more male HI models than female. We have what, one janissary and Joan of Arc for females..?
ImAGeek wrote: The new ones have bulkier legs than the HMG one but his are too thin anyway and the aesthetic is the same. They'll look fine as a link. And there are way way more male HI models than female. We have what, one janissary and Joan of Arc for females..?
Neema Saatar as well.
Ah yeah. So three then. If anything I'd like some more female HI models.
So, aren't I right to complain if my guys get the one?
Joan is badass in the extreme so I don't see that one as a bad thing. Riot Girls couldn't very well have male models in there lol (although they are some of the worst models in the range IMHO) This one just seems random and unnecessary.
As I said though, it's probably just me and I'm a bad person for it. lol No need to derail the thread with it.
It's fine, I prefer male minis in war games as well. What really grinds my gears are those chibby-ish new robots. I don't like the tin bot and the Tohaa pokemon won't see any table time in my games!
Has anyone tried using the older slimmer models as female troopers where they don't (yet) exist? Just make the chest plate a bit more feminine (and I do mean just a tiny bit) and call it a day.
I know it's pretty insignificant, but I do find it annoying that they couldn't even keep the new Jans completely consistent with the HMG that they just released.
They look good, I just don't get it.
They do not use dolls to make new models, even though somebody here refuses to believe it, but I think these variance has more things to do with feedback about the HMG Janissary and its legs.
They do not use dolls to make new models, even though somebody here refuses to believe it, but I think these variance has more things to do with feedback about the HMG Janissary and its legs.
Says "they do not use dolls to make new models", when their whole spiel about the switchover to CAD touched heavily upon the fact that "they can use dolls to make new models"...
Not sure if it lost in translation, they use the same bodies in multi model kits but I have not seen them use stock dolls, maybe they changed that, maybe not, but I know that the unidrone battldroid specialist pack was made from scratch despite having the untidrones models made before, then again he did the two main bodies in an hour or so.
The HMG Janissary could be excused because it's carrying a very heavy weapon with a modified suit in order to accommodate the ammunition belt.
What I don't get is why every single one of the four 'modern' Janissaries and even the starter one are holding their weapons with one hand. One of my favorite models overall was the old Janissary hug-holding the AP rifle with both arms for stability. It's a great pose that doesn't show up very often in miniatures.
At least they don't look as silly as the Azra il ... that guys anatomy is so fethed up, no way a human is piloting that thing, I guess you could just pop the head off and call it a mech.
New Jans are nice but I have to say I am wishing I bought up some of the old style figs they have been replacing. There is a certain character that is lost on the newer CAD designed stuff.
Red Corsair wrote: At least they don't look as silly as the Azra il ... that guys anatomy is so fethed up, no way a human is piloting that thing, I guess you could just pop the head off and call it a mech.
New Jans are nice but I have to say I am wishing I bought up some of the old style figs they have been replacing. There is a certain character that is lost on the newer CAD designed stuff.
It's really not as bad as the other HI if you simply assume that it's a tall guy and his feet are in the ankles of the 'suit'. People seem to be judging it based on images rather than holding it in hand. The legs look especially long, but everything else is about proportional.
Damn, the new Igao is even better than the other one, which is unfortunately already halfpainted on my table. I would have liked this one better. Don't even play Tohaa, but will buy it anyway. Justified as some Trihedron stand in for my CA.
Red Corsair wrote: At least they don't look as silly as the Azra il ... that guys anatomy is so fethed up, no way a human is piloting that thing, I guess you could just pop the head off and call it a mech.
New Jans are nice but I have to say I am wishing I bought up some of the old style figs they have been replacing. There is a certain character that is lost on the newer CAD designed stuff.
It's really not as bad as the other HI if you simply assume that it's a tall guy and his feet are in the ankles of the 'suit'. People seem to be judging it based on images rather than holding it in hand. The legs look especially long, but everything else is about proportional.
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Nope, that is an impossible torso sir, look at his crotch and then his waist then the top of his head, complete nonsense model.
I will say that there are subtle differences between the individual special weapons for both the Kaplan and Sekban, when compared to the miniatures that then came with the box set. Not something you can really notice on the tabletop, but definitely something you pick up when painting them.
Interesting, the doctor has a different backpack.. I'm really surprised at how individual these three are. I think they might actually all be unique sculpts. When was the last time CB did a unit pack like that and used all unique sculpts?
Anyway, I like them and wouldn't mind having them. I'm still glad I have the old chunky guys though.
Barzam wrote: Interesting, the doctor has a different backpack.. I'm really surprised at how individual these three are. I think they might actually all be unique sculpts. When was the last time CB did a unit pack like that and used all unique sculpts?
Anyway, I like them and wouldn't mind having them. I'm still glad I have the old chunky guys though.
I'm a bit surprised too. I thought they'd be like the antipodes where there's three antipodes with 2 bodies. I hope this is something that will be carried on but it's probably just because of the Tinbot.
The two males seem to share a torso. Only the backpack is different on the doctor; you can even clearly see a separation at the shoulders that seems sculpted with that intention. Many of the more recent HI models have had separate backpacks anyways. The arms, head, and fanny pack all seem unique.
) and focus on what is important. The face, whose is it?
A new profile. And they fixed the the chicken legs that the 
