Talys wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:
I can not and will never think this way.
I do not play math-hammer or power hammer and will never understand or really enjoy playing with people that do.
I watched someone over the weekend play a list of Draigo-Star allied with Screamer-Star....wtf is that crap.
Yes I am sure it is strong as hell and can be brutal but fluffwise it is broken as can be and gamewise it is just...
Looking through every new release for the biggest numbers and the most broken units so that they can be mixed with the other mathematically broken units is just not fun to me and using that as a metric for what is a good release or a good kit ....no.

Have fun losing vs all but the most basic and unstrategic opponents. You might be able to pull out a draw vs them.

I have a problem with people who refuse to win.

Or, you know, he could have fun and win, lose or draw against like-minded players who choose to play units that fit a theme, fit a scenario, or that simply look cool -- rather than building a list for opponent-stomping awesomeness.

Different people have different definitions of fun, and what they like to do with their time.

Just when TFGs have made me lose almost all hope in humanity along comes a post like this to remind me that some people do still get it...

USD price for the Destroyers is $58 or thereabouts.

You know when I eventually move to Canada looks like ill be paying through the nose for my models.

 Kanluwen wrote:
USD price for the Destroyers is $58 or thereabouts.

yeah they are up for preorder at $46 already on Ebay which translates to about $58 retail

Doesn't the Kastelan Robot remind anyone else of the Aliens (Dark Horse) Berserker Robot?

http://www.avpuniverse.com/enc/comics/aliens_berserker.html

 Verviedi wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Real money price?

Oh 50 Cogs at least ....

Martian or Lucian cogs?

But seriously. Speculations on USD price?

I'd guess ~60$ for three.

$58 USD for the box, per the WD.

Maybe this is old news:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/05/combined-admech-next-weeks-exclusive.html

Next weeks white dwarf has an exclusive formation that combines Skitarii, a Knight and Cult Mechanicus to an all AdMech army.


The previews for next week say:
- Electrifying
- Lords of Mars let loose

- An exclusive formation

but maybe it's this bundle? http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Adeptus-Mechanicus-Robot-Bundle

two sets of Kastelan Robots, two Onager Dunecrawlers, three Ironstrider Ballistarii (any of which can be built as a Sydonian Dragoon) and a towering Imperial Knight Warden

It would be very GW to sell that bundle, and then cook up a random formation for all of them.

Would be an interesting precedent though... a formation spanning three army-books.

From B&C: If you select New Zealand as your "delivering to" choice on the GW site, the preorders are up already.

Sprue pics:







Breacher:



Destroyer:

EDIT: ^^^^^^^^^^spoiler tag please....we all know how to browse GW website


Yeah it makes sense for it to be that bundle

too bad it's forcing us to use those ugly robots

Something to note is all the miniature servo arms the kit comes with - should be useful for servitor conversions.

 RedFox wrote:
EDIT: ^^^^^^^^^^spoiler tag please....we all know how to browse GW website

Some of us would rather not though...

they could get to you

So rumor from Natfka, so pinch of salt time

Mymearan wrote:
A whole army on round bases? Unless we have seen that many before, it seems pretty suspicious.

U Wot M8?

Mymearan wrote:
A whole army on round bases? Unless we have seen that many before, it seems pretty suspicious.

I'm... guessing you meant to post on the WHFB thread?

Mymearan wrote:
A whole army on round bases? Unless we have seen that many before, it seems pretty suspicious.

Wha....?

Did you accidentally post in the wrong thread? Of course the whole army is on round bases - this is 40K we're talking about!

Oops, sorry guys! Multiple tabs and all...

nudibranch wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
A whole army on round bases? Unless we have seen that many before, it seems pretty suspicious.

I'm... guessing you meant to post on the WHFB thread?

actually does anything not go on a round base? I can only think of the aquebus. Other than that, everything is round.

most armies either have tanks or MCs on an oval base.

Can someone double check my eyes, did games workshop just do a web bundle on the Kataphron Battle Servitors that saves you money
£35 for three
but £70 for nine with the web bundle

 Tanke Tank wrote:
Can someone double check my eyes, did games workshop just do a web bundle on the Kataphron Battle Servitors that saves you money
£35 for three
but £70 for nine with the web bundle

Games Workshop wrote:Kataphron Breachers - the name says it all. These are little more than barely-sentient bulldozers, sent into battle by the Tech-Priests to smash their way into fortresses, rumble over squadrons of footsoldiers and dismantle the enemies’ battle lines with brutal, insistent power.

Kataphron Destroyers - their name also says it all. A tracked behemoth bristling with incredible weaponry, the Kataphron Destroyers are kept a little further back, aiding the Cult Mechanicus by relentlessly pouring firepower into their foes.

This bundle allows you to build three Kataphron Breachers and three Kataphron Destroyers; order all six into the fray to crush all before them!

It's no different than any web bundle.

 Tanke Tank wrote:
Can someone double check my eyes, did games workshop just do a web bundle on the Kataphron Battle Servitors that saves you money
£35 for three
but £70 for nine with the web bundle

There's 6 in the bundle.

Edit: Ninja'd

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tanke Tank wrote:
Can someone double check my eyes, did games workshop just do a web bundle on the Kataphron Battle Servitors that saves you money
£35 for three
but £70 for nine with the web bundle

Games Workshop wrote:Kataphron Breachers - the name says it all. These are little more than barely-sentient bulldozers, sent into battle by the Tech-Priests to smash their way into fortresses, rumble over squadrons of footsoldiers and dismantle the enemies’ battle lines with brutal, insistent power.

Kataphron Destroyers - their name also says it all. A tracked behemoth bristling with incredible weaponry, the Kataphron Destroyers are kept a little further back, aiding the Cult Mechanicus by relentlessly pouring firepower into their foes.

This bundle allows you to build three Kataphron Breachers and three Kataphron Destroyers; order all six into the fray to crush all before them!

It's no different than any web bundle.

It might be different; though, not in a good way. If they make the bundle so you only have the bits for three of each like it says in the description, then they're taking parts out of the sets. I would be pretty upset of I didn't get all the bits.

They're not taking any bits out of the bloody sets.

DeGarmo wrote:

It might be different; though, not in a good way. If they make the bundle so you only have the bits for three of each like it says in the description, then they're taking parts out of the sets. I would be pretty upset of I didn't get all the bits.

They are no different than .. say .. the buy 5 different Imperial Knights bundles. They're not gonna have people sit down in the warehouse to snap pieces out of the sprues.

nudibranch wrote:
Something to note is all the miniature servo arms the kit comes with - should be useful for servitor conversions.

Also something to note. There isn't a special weapon shortage. There is three of each type of weapon in the kit. Little Captain Obvious I know but no one typed that out yet lol.

The tracked dudes don't look all that bad.
Not sure why I want to outfit them with an axe and belly gun.
Right amount of armor to their look.
Consistent look to them and cult Mech. stuff.
Got the new IK,kit, may regret later, will be interested to see what this new formation would be, in particular: any old knight or a specific one.

 Talizvar wrote:
The tracked dudes don't look all that bad.

I think they look pretty darn good. One complaint is they are too 'busy' - there is too much going on in some places. If I get these I will use the armor plating to cover some of that business (even if I use them as the less armored guys). I would also not bother attaching the little servo arms.

Oh, and the left arm that actually looks like an arm (the CC arms) at the shoulder looks much better than the robotic doo dad that the flamer is attached too. I'm thinking of attaching the flamer to the upper part of the CC arm.

I'm also wondering if these guys would look more interesting with the tank tracks facing the other direction. Or to put it better, if the torso were turned 180 degrees...

Super Newb wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Something to note is all the miniature servo arms the kit comes with - should be useful for servitor conversions.

Also something to note. There isn't a special weapon shortage. There is three of each type of weapon in the kit. Little Captain Obvious I know but no one typed that out yet lol.

I believe Exergy mentioned the notion a while back of using all the leftovers on skitarri, but the weapons on these are massive compered to their skitarri counterparts. I don't imagine it will work well to put plasmas from breachers on standard infantry but it is an option I suppose.

Awesome that at least this kit has everything though.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Something to note is all the miniature servo arms the kit comes with - should be useful for servitor conversions.

Also something to note. There isn't a special weapon shortage. There is three of each type of weapon in the kit. Little Captain Obvious I know but no one typed that out yet lol.

I believe Exergy mentioned the notion a while back of using all the leftovers on skitarri, but the weapons on these are massive compered to their skitarri counterparts. I don't imagine it will work well to put plasmas from breachers on standard infantry but it is an option I suppose.

Awesome that at least this kit has everything though.

Yeah you're right. We won't know for sure until someone gets their hands on these but from the sprues they do seem bigger than the skitarii guns. The plasma one especially looks much beefier. Arc weapon may work though. Guess we'll see...

I would LOVE for the Arc Weapons to work on Skitarii. I still need nine more of the damn things, and have no intention of buying more than the four boxes of infantry which I already have. :-p

Do we know what those pairs of kastelan robots (the ones on legs) do? I saw the tank tread guys, but didnt see any info on these.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I would LOVE for the Arc Weapons to work on Skitarii. I still need nine more of the damn things, and have no intention of buying more than the four boxes of infantry which I already have. :-p

Well I'm willing to trade for a few of the other bits if you want.

It's a little odd, but ill try to get 2 -4 boxes of the tracked guys. But it's probably only ever going to be 2 units. I just like the look of them that's all.

 Ol'Dirty wrote:
Do we know what those pairs of kastelan robots (the ones on legs) do? I saw the tank tread guys, but didnt see any info on these.

Their stats were in the WD before, they're assaulty or shooty and have a rule that you set at the end of the turn that kicks in next turn

Just a quick note of little consequence, the Kastelan's come with the same Ad Mech transfer sheet that we got with the Skitarii releases.

I have no idea why but I expected something different, love the kit though.

Super Newb wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Something to note is all the miniature servo arms the kit comes with - should be useful for servitor conversions.

Also something to note. There isn't a special weapon shortage. There is three of each type of weapon in the kit. Little Captain Obvious I know but no one typed that out yet lol.

I believe Exergy mentioned the notion a while back of using all the leftovers on skitarri, but the weapons on these are massive compered to their skitarri counterparts. I don't imagine it will work well to put plasmas from breachers on standard infantry but it is an option I suppose.

Awesome that at least this kit has everything though.

Yeah you're right. We won't know for sure until someone gets their hands on these but from the sprues they do seem bigger than the skitarii guns. The plasma one especially looks much beefier. Arc weapon may work though. Guess we'll see...

I am going to make it work. My Skitarii might be toting the heavy arc cannons underslung but I am not going to be using the arc rifles from the vanguard kit exclusively. I want to have 6-9 in my collection but only 40 or so vanguard.

 Exergy wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Something to note is all the miniature servo arms the kit comes with - should be useful for servitor conversions.

Also something to note. There isn't a special weapon shortage. There is three of each type of weapon in the kit. Little Captain Obvious I know but no one typed that out yet lol.

I believe Exergy mentioned the notion a while back of using all the leftovers on skitarri, but the weapons on these are massive compered to their skitarri counterparts. I don't imagine it will work well to put plasmas from breachers on standard infantry but it is an option I suppose.

Awesome that at least this kit has everything though.

Yeah you're right. We won't know for sure until someone gets their hands on these but from the sprues they do seem bigger than the skitarii guns. The plasma one especially looks much beefier. Arc weapon may work though. Guess we'll see...

I am going to make it work. My Skitarii might be toting the heavy arc cannons underslung but I am not going to be using the arc rifles from the vanguard kit exclusively. I want to have 6-9 in my collection but only 40 or so vanguard.

Seriously guys, its getting silly. Don't buy guns from ebay. Just invest in some legos, instamold, and green stuff and make your own. Watch tutorials on youtube. Its easy, much cheaper, and you can make as many as you want.

 Exergy wrote:

I am going to make it work. My Skitarii might be toting the heavy arc cannons underslung but I am not going to be using the arc rifles from the vanguard kit exclusively. I want to have 6-9 in my collection but only 40 or so vanguard.

Ah ha, good thinking. Chop the gun off the pistol arms that come with the Skitarii kit. That arm is at a nice angle for an underslung weapon. Maybe even attach the arc weapon upside down so the that blocky arc part is closer to the ground? Either way underslung will definitely work.


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 Orock wrote:

Seriously guys, its getting silly. Don't buy guns from ebay. Just invest in some legos, instamold, and green stuff and make your own. Watch tutorials on youtube. Its easy, much cheaper, and you can make as many as you want.

I'm pretty sure he is going to use arc weapons from one kit (the new CM robots) that he is buying to make up for lack of arc rifles in the other kits he already bought (skitarii).


I personally just bought a ten pack of weapons from FW and used those to count as my arc rifles. I've never GSed weapons, but those arc rifles look like they would be a pain in the ass to get right anyway.

Just remember you only get multiple front ends not multiple guns . Limits kit bashing somewhat unfortunately though should still be very magnet friendly.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Just a quick note of little consequence, the Kastelan's come with the same Ad Mech transfer sheet that we got with the Skitarii releases.

I have no idea why but I expected something different, love the kit though.

So the little one again??

Pity I could have used FW specific markings.

It may be my mech-bias but is this the best new and original plastic multipart kit that GW has put out for years? This is some Forge World level win.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
It may be my mech-bias but is this the best new and original plastic multipart kit that GW has put out for years? This is some Forge World level win.

Was saying over on B&C it's pretty impressive, and fairly reasonable by GW standards; 60mm base models for around £10 each after online discount is very agreeable considering the wealth of bitz.

With some chaotic mutation, those Kataphrons will make great counts-as Obliterators.

 Clang wrote:
With some chaotic mutation, those Kataphrons will make great counts-as Obliterators.

The track units alone will be awesome for converting everything from Loyalist Thunder Fire Cannons to Chaos Hades Autocannon Rapiers.

The Heavy Arc Rifles can be cut down to get more Arc Rifles into the hands of skitarii.

I knew I'd seen these guys before:

Once they get the full run out, I might look into making up a Mech army for myself.

Holy Kataphrons are $98 AUD.

Not the steepest increase, only 36.11% increase compared to the US (exchange rates accounted for) compared to the ~50% with the assassins game, but still harsh.

At least I won't need too many Kataphrons, since it's like 150+pts for 3 of them.
Still... my wallet will weep. My poor, poor wallet...




I'm scared to look at the NZ prices...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm scared to look at the NZ prices...

NZD$116 :(

... Actually not as bad as I thought it would be.

Still absolutely terrible (and scary), though.
I feel for you, and your wallets.

So I don't know if anyone's noticed this yet, but these Kataphron servitors are actually friggin' huge. They're on 60mm bases...

I thought they were on 50mm?

Well dang, that is big. Those are some beefy servitors...

I'm really surprised by the price on the kataphrons, they're similar in size to the centurions and have the same number of sprues and similar amount of parts and yet cost £13 less. The Admech release has been an extremely mixed bag in terms of pricing so far.

Also, may I say PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH that the tank tracks are all one piece.

That's funny, centurions are cheaper here (only by $3, though).

Mixed bag in terms of pricing indeed...

And yes, sold treads are a dream come true!

So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

nudibranch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

Yeah I've read that rumour, but it's not for sure yet.

nudibranch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

That was for breachers, the ones that don't get grav or plasma. BIG difference there.

What do you guys think of the Breachers in terms of rules/role on the battlefield? Do you think they will be a popular take?

 Red Corsair wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

That was for breachers, the ones that don't get grav or plasma. BIG difference there.

I thought it was for destroyer, not breachers?

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

 gameandwatch wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

That was for breachers, the ones that don't get grav or plasma. BIG difference there.

I thought it was for destroyer, not breachers?

Yeah the ignore cover and bonus bs is for destroyers supposedly.

 Red Corsair wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

That was for breachers, the ones that don't get grav or plasma. BIG difference there.

The BOLS rumor says otherwise:

Elimination Maniple – gain +1 BS and ignore cover
2-3 units of Kataphron Destroyers
1-3 Kastelan Robot Maniples

The Breachers get the Deep Strike formation.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

55 for the ones that can shoot grav or plasma.

They have a nice damage output for sure, but they only have a 4+ save, and no bullet catchers in the squad. Definitely glass cannons.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

To be fair, the grav cannon is a free upgrade. The only paid upgrade, besides more servitors, is the flamer, which costs 5pts.

Super Newb wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

55 for the ones that can shoot grav or plasma.

They have a nice damage output for sure, but they only have a 4+ save, and no bullet catchers in the squad. Definitely glass cannons.

Maybe the electro priests will be good meat shields??

Super Newb wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

55 for the ones that can shoot grav or plasma.

They have a nice damage output for sure, but they only have a 4+ save, and no bullet catchers in the squad. Definitely glass cannons.

Yeah for sure, once you drop podded them, you better hope you deal enough damage(crush them scatbikes), because once the opponent shoot back or assaults they are done. The rest of your army has to be balanced enough take on other threats.

i just had a look at most of the Ad-Mech sprues at the shop today...
there are so many little cool bits, that look even better in hand than they do in the pics online...
i can see the Iron Hands, or some Sons of Medusa, really benefiting from the leftover extras in these sets!!!

the Tech-Priest that comes with the robots is amazing...
the leg pistons on his armor, even though they are mostly hidden by his robes, are so cool...
the three-fingered hand theme is very funky, and i like it...

i am very impressed by the design work that has gone into this army...
i can't wait to pillage my buddy's sprues after he has built his army!!!

cheers
jah

migooo wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

55 for the ones that can shoot grav or plasma.

They have a nice damage output for sure, but they only have a 4+ save, and no bullet catchers in the squad. Definitely glass cannons.

Maybe the electro priests will be good meat shields??

Well considering they're an elite choice and that they used to be very powerful back in the day (they had str8 attacks if I remember correctly?), I severely doubt they will be meat shield-y. Seeing the effects of the arc weaponry, I can imagine they'll have a lot of haywire as well.

Heavy modification credit goes to the 400 photoshop ideas that made this thing better. I decided to make him similar to a contemptor. He almost looks like he would fit right in with a 30k army now.

What did you do to convert him, 'cause it looks ace!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What did you do to convert him, 'cause it looks ace!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/648959.page

I love it Orock, I exalted and commented in your thread. Thanks for posting! Now to get some green stuff for the first time.

Three in a pod leaves room for a character.....nice.....

For scale: Look at the size of the bloody things!!

Huh, they are pretty darn big. Kinda makes me sad they aren't 2+/ 3+ but they are already givin a lot, so, can't complain too much.

The thing that is interesting to me is if anyone actually plans on fielding them in units larger than 3. 5 with torsion guns sounds interesting, idk...

 gameandwatch wrote:
Huh, they are pretty darn big. Kinda makes me sad they aren't 2+/ 3+ but they are already givin a lot, so, can't complain too much.

The thing that is interesting to me is if anyone actually plans on fielding them in units larger than 3. 5 with torsion guns sounds interesting, idk...

Destroyers I couldn't see myself fielding outside of min sizes. MSU with something like that is too good, and it's not like being part of a big unit will make expensive 4+ any better. Better to force split fire and be more spread out.

Breachers... maybe. But probably no bigger than 4 or 5, probably min size is best though. Haywire guns don't need a lot per unit to kill a vehicle, just the min unit of 3 should be able to kill any 3HP vehicle by themselves as long as luck isn't too bad. Torsion Guns in sizes over 5 would be overkill with their D3 wounds per wound on nearly anything except a Wraithknight, and even then you'd want to be MSU to keep from getting wiped in one go.

Big units are better when most of them are standards/meatshields and you want to protect the important models. Like taking extra Bolter Devestators to protect the Lascannons. But there's really no need for Kataphrons, taking more per unit will probably just wind up as overkill 90% of the time.

So are we thinking codex this week?

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So are we thinking codex this week?

With a side of salt, Techpriest Dominus, and Electro-Priests.

Requizen wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
Huh, they are pretty darn big. Kinda makes me sad they aren't 2+/ 3+ but they are already givin a lot, so, can't complain too much.

The thing that is interesting to me is if anyone actually plans on fielding them in units larger than 3. 5 with torsion guns sounds interesting, idk...

Destroyers I couldn't see myself fielding outside of min sizes. MSU with something like that is too good, and it's not like being part of a big unit will make expensive 4+ any better. Better to force split fire and be more spread out.

Breachers... maybe. But probably no bigger than 4 or 5, probably min size is best though. Haywire guns don't need a lot per unit to kill a vehicle, just the min unit of 3 should be able to kill any 3HP vehicle by themselves as long as luck isn't too bad. Torsion Guns in sizes over 5 would be overkill with their D3 wounds per wound on nearly anything except a Wraithknight, and even then you'd want to be MSU to keep from getting wiped in one go.

Big units are better when most of them are standards/meatshields and you want to protect the important models. Like taking extra Bolter Devestators to protect the Lascannons. But there's really no need for Kataphrons, taking more per unit will probably just wind up as overkill 90% of the time.

yeah no reason to take more than the min squad size

They dont compete for a competitive slot(HAH)

3 is going to be enough to neuter just about anything you want to shoot at.

There are no sunk costs or unlock costs. No mandatory sergents or required unit in order to take them. No transport tax.

Yea this week should be codex and all flavors of priest

I hope those german WD leaks come soon

I want to know what Canticles does finally

Yeah that's what I wanna know.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Yea this week should be codex and all flavors of priest

I hope those german WD leaks come soon

I want to know what Canticles does finally

I want to know about the HQ. Is he a melee beatstick? Does he buff junk? Does he have a shooting weapon I cannot see? What does the pimp cane do? Can he have a retinue of ho's? What is the ideal pimpmobile for him.

It's possible that this week will be the Electro-Priests and nothing else.

 Exergy wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Yea this week should be codex and all flavors of priest

I hope those german WD leaks come soon

I want to know what Canticles does finally

I want to know about the HQ. Is he a melee beatstick? Does he buff junk? Does he have a shooting weapon I cannot see? What does the pimp cane do? Can he have a retinue of ho's? What is the ideal pimpmobile for him.

Probably a Taurox with some 30" spinner conversions

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's possible that this week will be the Electro-Priests and nothing else.

Unlikely, next weeks hints are:

- Electrifying
- Lords of Mars let loose

If Lords of Mars doesn't point to the HQ, I'd be very, very surprised.

'Lord of Mars let loose' is probably the codex, Dominus will probably be released in the final week.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
'Lord of Mars let loose' is probably the codex, Dominus will probably be released in the final week.

http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2015/05/this-weeks-releases-codex-tech-priests.html

Good to know ol' pimpcane will be released next with the 'dex and electro priests.

This is how mine ended up about 85-90 percent done modelling wise. A few more small armored plates to be added, and some hoses. Mostly work on the feet.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's possible that this week will be the Electro-Priests and nothing else.

Have they ever done this one-item-released-per-week for an army before? Its really, really annoying...

T

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's possible that this week will be the Electro-Priests and nothing else.

I really hope not, they are dragging this stuff out hard. I also dislike it when they release the codex last, it strains my interest level.

My Local store said the GW sales guy said next week is the rest of it. Codex, Cards, clamp back, priests, and painting guide. But that seems like a lot for one week.

It would be TWO painting guides no less, as the Skitarii Legion book is coming.

Datapriest is so smooth.

Have the tech priest as the head pimp, the robots are his bouncers.....

from Faeith :

we got info on tech pope and the electro monks from feit:
Both priest units are S and T3 and start off with 5 models per squad. their shields give them a 5++ and allow them to assault through cover, but with an I3 it doesnt really matter much. What does help these guys is that they hammer of wrath at s4.

The main difference between the two units is an electric staff or electric gauntlets. The staff is +2 strength AP4 and the gauntlets +1 strength and are both shooting and melee- you have to choose one or the other-. The fulgurites with the staves can get a 3++ if they wipe out a unit in close combat for the rest of the game.

The tech priest can either repair a hull point-vehicle damage, or heal a wound in his unit. is an independent character with a 2+ save and 3 wounds, feel no pain, and relentless. He also comes with a 5++ and wielding a power axe. He can fire on the move with an upgraded eradication ray, which is a heavy 1 s8 ap1 or a s6 ap3 blast

The priests better be cheap. At T3 with only a 5++ save and I3 they won't last long.

The Dominus seems absolutely awesome though. Techpope on the crusade!

So a T3 unit with no armour and no transport? And when they get into combat they're AP4?

Sounds like a winner!

So the tech-priest is meant to carve through a unit in combat - after blast marking them - and give the fulgurites he's with 3++ to continue acting as an electrified meat shield.

From what we've seen, IMHO the priests look to be outclassed by pretty much everything but the dominus looks monstrous. Kinda funny how it can repair vehicles in an army with no vehicles (unless using that purported Skitarri/Cult/Knight cross-over formation)...

nudibranch wrote:
From what we've seen, IMHO the priests look to be outclassed by pretty much everything but the dominus looks monstrous. Kinda funny how it can repair vehicles in an army with no vehicles (unless using that purported Skitarri/Cult/Knight cross-over formation)...

Repair Vehicle or Restore a Wound, feels like a catch-all GW way of writing the rule. Clearly Pimp-Boss likes chilling with some Kastellan's, and keeping 'em in the fight that much longer.

And I agree with the above poster. A Dominus is clearly the only way to make Electro-Priests not terrible. :-p

It honestly kinda feels like the troops and elites were accidentally switched when writing the codex... Unless the gauntlet-priests turn out to have a nifty shooting attack or something...

[EDIT] Oh, oh, maybe they'll get haywire attacks? It would make sense considering that all the prior lightning-based weapons the Mechanicus use have it.

nudibranch wrote:
It honestly kinda feels like the troops and elites were accidentally switched when writing the codex... Unless the gauntlet-priests turn out to have a nifty shooting attack or something...

[EDIT] Oh, oh, maybe they'll get haywire attacks? It would make sense considering that all the prior lightning-based weapons the Mechanicus use have it.

Units like them who have a flexible assault/shooting weapon generally only have a 12" range. And since nothing about them indicates that they'll have movement better than 6" nor any sort of Deep Strike shenanigans, means that 12" shooting may as well be nothing.

I really hope the WD leaks soon with something special because right now those seem like extremely useless Elites. which is sad, because that means 1/3 of the entire book is bad, and I'd be better off waiting for AdMech.

didn't see posted already...


Next week's releases with USD prices

CODEX: CULT MECHANICUS (ENGLISH) 33.00
DATACARDS: CULT MECHANICUS (ENGLISH) 12.50
LEGIONS OF THE OMNISSIAH Paint Guide 20.00
CRUSADERS OF THE MACHINE GOD Paint Guide 20.00
ADEPTUS MECHANICUS ELECTRO-PRIESTS 41.00
ADEPTUS MECHANICUS TECH-PRIEST DOMINUS 36.00
MARS CULT MECHANICUS TRANSFER SHEET (WEB) 20.00
METALICA ADEPTUS MECHANICUS TRANSFER SHEET (WEB) 20.00
RYZA ADEPTUS MECHANICUS TRANSFER SHEET (WEB) 20.00
CODEX: CULT MECHANICUS (DOMINUS EDITION) (WEB) 165.00

Clampack more pricey than the codex? Don't know how I feel about that.

hahaha what? The LE is $132 more than the regular codex? That thing better cook me dinner and tuck me in at night for that kind of jump holy butts.

Don't bypass the language filter like this.

reds8n

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Clampack more pricey than the codex? Don't know how I feel about that.

It's a pretty awesome model, but that is awfully steep.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So a T3 unit with no armour and no transport? And when they get into combat they're AP4?

Sounds like a winner!

wonder how many points GW thinks is far for such an obviously overpowered unit.

15 points each, 5-10 models in the unit?

yes but the dominus is on a 40mm base, finally assassinarum box is maybe a great deal ^^

From a french guy who have the dwarf :

Electropriest are 90 for 5. unit is 5-20 sized, more than we have seen they are zealot and have fnp
profil is 4/3/3/3/3/1/?

The fulgurite staff deal Instant death on a 6 to wound.

The corpuscarii are cheaper.

Uurrrhhghghrr... Will probably just convert my own now... Also the electro-priests aren't cheap either, though still more inline with what to expect from GW

Atleast we finally, finally get the codex. Is it confirmed that the skitarii will not be in it?

$36 for a single figure! In what world can they justify that? I mean they have a box set right next to him on the shelf with 5 guys at $41.

Guess new CEO same as the old CEO.

Do we know it's not a box set ala the CSM Terminator Lord or Ork Big Mek w/KFF?

Mr.Church13 wrote:
$36 for a single figure! In what world can they justify that? I mean they have a box set right next to him on the shelf with 5 guys at $41.

Guess new CEO same as the old CEO.

Yeah that's absurd. If I field him looks like it'll be a kit bash and/or a slight conversion of the giant robot baby sitter. There is no way I am supporting a GW price like that for one dude.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Do we know it's not a box set ala the CSM Terminator Lord or Ork Big Mek w/KFF?

Nope.

From the looks of it, he's on a 40 or 50mm base though. He is NOT a small model.

Aren't the assassins on 40s?

They aren't big at all.

I mean it's large and probably very detailed, but the Assassins also have a lot of terrain and stuff around them. The Tech-Priest is just the model, which kind of feels underwhelming.

Requizen wrote:
I mean it's large and probably very detailed, but the Assassins also have a lot of terrain and stuff around them. The Tech-Priest is just the model, which kind of feels underwhelming.

Yeah and at that list price there may be a cheaper Forgeworld model to use instead lol.

 judgedoug wrote:
didn't see posted already...


Next week's releases with USD prices

CODEX: CULT MECHANICUS (ENGLISH) 33.00
DATACARDS: CULT MECHANICUS (ENGLISH) 12.50
LEGIONS OF THE OMNISSIAH Paint Guide 20.00
CRUSADERS OF THE MACHINE GOD Paint Guide 20.00
ADEPTUS MECHANICUS ELECTRO-PRIESTS 41.00
ADEPTUS MECHANICUS TECH-PRIEST DOMINUS 36.00
MARS CULT MECHANICUS TRANSFER SHEET (WEB) 20.00
METALICA ADEPTUS MECHANICUS TRANSFER SHEET (WEB) 20.00
RYZA ADEPTUS MECHANICUS TRANSFER SHEET (WEB) 20.00
CODEX: CULT MECHANICUS (DOMINUS EDITION) (WEB) 165.00

Nice that we get other worlds Transfers. 25 pounds for the character?? That's kinda vertical.

Super Newb wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I mean it's large and probably very detailed, but the Assassins also have a lot of terrain and stuff around them. The Tech-Priest is just the model, which kind of feels underwhelming.

Yeah and at that list price there may be a cheaper Forgeworld model to use instead lol.

There is this guy for £20.50 GBP

They could probably justify $36 if the GW proper one looked like that.

anyone else feel like there is really no reason for Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus to be 2 separate books? Theres like no reason for it from a fluff or gameplay perspective. It really feels like they took the AdMech codex and arbitrarily divided it in 2.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
They could probably justify $36 if the GW proper one looked like that.

Meh, I like the Tech-Priest better than the Magos personally.

chaos0xomega wrote:
anyone else feel like there is really no reason for Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus to be 2 separate books? Theres like no reason for it from a fluff or gameplay perspective. It really feels like they took the AdMech codex and arbitrarily divided it in 2.

100% Chapterhouse's fault. They can't release rules without models anymore because of 3rd party IP thieves so now they kit out releases like this to slowly cover all models. Not to mention it has the added bonus of a similar effect to DLC for video games except in this case you're buying the DLC before the game comes out.

I'd count that as a positive. For decades we've been complaining about GW not producing models for their rules. Finally now they're doing it because they're forced to in order to protect their IP.

Mr.Church13 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
anyone else feel like there is really no reason for Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus to be 2 separate books? Theres like no reason for it from a fluff or gameplay perspective. It really feels like they took the AdMech codex and arbitrarily divided it in 2.

100% Chapterhouse's fault. They can't release rules without models anymore because of 3rd party IP thieves so now they kit out releases like this to slowly cover all models. Not to mention it has the added bonus of a similar effect to DLC for video games except in this case you're buying the DLC before the game comes out.

I guess GW would be the 1st party IP thief then? Since that's what they built their business on and all...

You'll get no argument here.

I'm just saying that the Chapterhouse thing seemed like the catalyst for the release change.

So wheres our weekly german WD leaks? X.x

Frenchie leaks

https://imgur.com/mHCzHmY,j4MGyDA,YxB901z,gQfA3Qb,jIy745h,bfoyhXV,XGO6tv6#4

VOLKITE! THERE'S A VOLKITE GUN!

Also looks like the staff-priests get instant death on to hit rolls of a 6...

nudibranch wrote:
VOLKITE! THERE'S A VOLKITE GUN!

Where are you seeing that?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
VOLKITE! THERE'S A VOLKITE GUN!

Where are you seeing that?

Bottom of the first page.

nudibranch wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
VOLKITE! THERE'S A VOLKITE GUN!

Where are you seeing that?

Bottom of the first page.

Ah there it is, the imgur link started on page 6 so thought that was the first set of leaks

Hasnt volkite been purely 30k?

Requizen wrote:
Frenchie leaks

https://imgur.com/mHCzHmY,j4MGyDA,YxB901z,gQfA3Qb,jIy745h,bfoyhXV,XGO6tv6#4

And such great quality blur! Merci beaucoups!

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
VOLKITE! THERE'S A VOLKITE GUN!

Where are you seeing that?

Bottom of the first page.

Ah there it is, the imgur link started on page 6 so thought that was the first set of leaks

Hasnt volkite been purely 30k?

Till now, yep. Hell, they the don't allow the Questoris Knight Styrix in 40k purely for that reason.

Quick, someone translate the formation

 catharsix wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Frenchie leaks

https://imgur.com/mHCzHmY,j4MGyDA,YxB901z,gQfA3Qb,jIy745h,bfoyhXV,XGO6tv6#4

And such great quality blur! Merci beaucoups!

Dunno I just copied it. A few of the pages are quite clear, the first one might not be I dunno what it starts on.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Quick, someone translate the formation

It's just the Skitarii Battle Maniple (one of everything from the Skitarii book), the equivalent from the Cult Mechanicus book and an Imperial Knight.

Merci beaucoup :p (the blurry page is the same than an other clear one )

The special formation in the Dwarf is just silly

1 maniple skitarii + 1 battle congregation cult mechanicus + 1 oathworn detachement and you get :

reroll on lord chart, no get's hot, canticle for all unit (knight too), and all relics (from the 2 codex) are free for everyone

 pazuzu wrote:
Merci beaucoup :p

The special formation in the Dwarf is just silly

1 maniple skitarii + 1 battle congregation cult mechanicus + 1 oathworn detachement and you get :

reroll on lord chart, no get's hot, canticle for all unit (knight too), and all relics (from the 2 codex) are free for everyone

Holy crap lol, I'm so rolling that formation

 pazuzu wrote:
Merci beaucoup :p (the blurry page is the same than an other clear one )

The special formation in the Dwarf is just silly

1 maniple skitarii + 1 battle congregation cult mechanicus + 1 oathworn detachement and you get :

reroll on lord chart, no get's hot, canticle for all unit (knight too), and all relics (from the 2 codex) are free for everyone

hahah wow what? That's so good. Well, depending on what Canticles do, I suppose.

And super cheap, depending on what the Battle Congregation FOC requires. A Knight + 2 Vanguard units + Mechanicus isn't that expensive, and is one formation? That's some serious pain.

 pazuzu wrote:

reroll on lord chart, no get's hot, canticle for all unit (knight too), and all relics (from the 2 codex) are free for everyone

Direct Link to IMGUR


How hard is it to hold the camera still?

The battle congregation seem to be a Dominus + 2 kataphrons...

 pazuzu wrote:
Merci beaucoup :p (the blurry page is the same than an other clear one )

The special formation in the Dwarf is just silly

1 maniple skitarii + 1 battle congregation cult mechanicus + 1 oathworn detachement and you get :

reroll on lord chart, no get's hot, canticle for all unit (knight too), and all relics (from the 2 codex) are free for everyone

Nope. All options (!!) including (!!) relics are free!! Unless my French is really rusty.

 pazuzu wrote:
The battle congregation seem to be a Dominus + 2 kataphrons...

Where do you see that?

Wonderwolf wrote:

 pazuzu wrote:
Merci beaucoup :p (the blurry page is the same than an other clear one )

The special formation in the Dwarf is just silly

1 maniple skitarii + 1 battle congregation cult mechanicus + 1 oathworn detachement and you get :

reroll on lord chart, no get's hot, canticle for all unit (knight too), and all relics (from the 2 codex) are free for everyone

Nope. All options (!!) including (!!) relics are free!! Unless my French is really rusty.

...P-please tell me your French is rusty...

Wonderwolf wrote:


Nope. All options (!!) including (!!) relics are free!! Unless my French is really rusty.

OMG it's so stupidly enormous that i misread my first language lol

For the battle congragation it was rumored by captain citadel IIRC

So many extra points if all upgrades are free, dirt cheap vanguard/rangers with special weapons if that applies if thats how its reading and ignores get hot lol

 pretre wrote:
Direct Link to IMGUR

Spoiler:

How hard is it to hold the camera still?

It's a law of the universe. Those who leak cannot take pics worth a damn.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So many extra points if all upgrades are free, dirt cheap vanguard/rangers with special weapons if that applies if thats how its reading and ignores get hot lol

Free Plasma Calivers for everyone!

So now to figure out the minimum points for that formation.

 pretre wrote:
So now to figure out the minimum points for that formation.

Minimum? Two 5 man units of vanguard, a tech priest, 2 min units of kataphorons and a knight.

Plasma calivers... plasma calivers everywhere...

Is it battle maniple or skitarii maniple? iirc one is the "one of everything" formation and one is the detachment type.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So now to figure out the minimum points for that formation.

Minimum? Two 5 man units of vanguard, a tech priest, 2 min units of kataphorons and a knight.

That's nothing. Yikes.

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Is it battle maniple or skitarii maniple? iirc one is the "one of everything" formation and one is the detachment type.

Oh, that's right. I forgot they used the same name for both... what a pain. If it's the Battle Maniple meh, too many forced points in that one.

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Is it battle maniple or skitarii maniple? iirc one is the "one of everything" formation and one is the detachment type.

God I hope it's the you must take one of everything one. Because the formation is lame in it's overpoweredness otherwise. But who knows it may be the take whatever you want mantiple so GW can sell more stuff.

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Is it battle maniple or skitarii maniple? iirc one is the "one of everything" formation and one is the detachment type.

Battle Maniple, so one of everything.

I assume it means Battle Maniple, so 1x Vanguard, 1x Rangers, 1x Onager, 1x Rustalkers, 1x Infiltrators, 1x Dragoon *or* 1x Ballistarii.

If so bare minimum cost is 600 points for the dragoon or 610 for the Ballistarii *edited for accuracy*

I may well be wrong. But if the options are free everywhere I do not really care!

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I assume it means Battle Maniple, so 1x Vanguard, 1x Rangers, 1x Onager, 1x Rustalkers, 1x Infiltrators, 1x Dragoon and 1x Ballistarii.

If so bare minimum cost is 655 points.

I may well be wrong. But if the options are free everywhere I do not really care!

1x Dragoon or Ballistarii.

nudibranch wrote:
Plasma calivers... plasma calivers everywhere...

Aquebuses on Rangers might ordinarily suck, but for free. They arent bad.


Also triple onager with neutron lasers arent that bad for only 270 points

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I assume it means Battle Maniple, so 1x Vanguard, 1x Rangers, 1x Onager, 1x Rustalkers, 1x Infiltrators, 1x Dragoon and 1x Ballistarii.

If so bare minimum cost is 655 points.

I may well be wrong. But if the options are free everywhere I do not really care!

So:

Battle Maniple:
1x Vanguard, 1x Rangers, 1x Onager, 1x Rustalkers, 1x Infiltrators, 1x Dragoon and 1x Ballistarii. - ~655 Points

plus
a tech priest, 2 min units of kataphorons - ~200-300 points

and a knight. - ~300+

Yikes. Easy to fit that in a list.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I assume it means Battle Maniple, so 1x Vanguard, 1x Rangers, 1x Onager, 1x Rustalkers, 1x Infiltrators, 1x Dragoon and 1x Ballistarii.

I may well be wrong. But if the options are free everywhere I do not really care!

I believe the one of everything is Dragoon or ballistari.

But yea I think the generic mantiple and that specific one are both named the same.

So wait, who gets Volkite?

Please tell me the Electro Priests. I really wanna use them, but they kinda suck.

 obsidiankatana wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I assume it means Battle Maniple, so 1x Vanguard, 1x Rangers, 1x Onager, 1x Rustalkers, 1x Infiltrators, 1x Dragoon and 1x Ballistarii.

If so bare minimum cost is 655 points.

I may well be wrong. But if the options are free everywhere I do not really care!

1x Dragoon or Ballistarii.

Whoops, indeed true. So that drops it to 600 (Dragoon) or 610 points (Ballistarii).

So that makes Pretre's list even cheaper to make. A 1500 point army is easy if the rumours are confirmed.

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I assume it means Battle Maniple, so 1x Vanguard, 1x Rangers, 1x Onager, 1x Rustalkers, 1x Infiltrators, 1x Dragoon and 1x Ballistarii.

If so bare minimum cost is 655 points.

I may well be wrong. But if the options are free everywhere I do not really care!

So:

Battle Maniple:
1x Vanguard, 1x Rangers, 1x Onager, 1x Rustalkers, 1x Infiltrators, 1x Dragoon and 1x Ballistarii. - ~655 Points

plus
a tech priest, 2 min units of kataphorons - ~200-300 points

and a knight. - ~300+

Yikes. Easy to fit that in a list.

Min units of Kataphrons are 150 min each, so it'll be more like ~300-400, leaning to 400 since ICs are usually priced that way (especially one with his rules). And only the cheapest knight is 300 points (and considered pretty bad).

So probalby more like 655 + 400 + 370 = ~1425, which is most of a list. But, if you were going to bring those things anyway, then yeah it's fracking awesome.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So wait, who gets Volkite?

Please tell me the Electro Priests. I really wanna use them, but they kinda suck.

Probably just the Techpriest, maybe the datasmiths (their WD entry does say they can take upgrades from the armoury.)

I'd assume it's going to be something similar for the Cult Mechanicus too so 1 unit of breachers, 1 unit of the grav tread dudes, 1 robot unit, 1 of each electro priest unit, and a dominus. So probably not cheap either.

Well hopefully when the translation comes out itll just be the normal mantiple, the 1 of everything one can add up unless you take minimum unit sizes of everything

Wow this formation is definitely made to sell some models. I might even buy my first White Dwarf if its exclusive to the magazine.

Man my freakin wallet.

Seems like a native french speaker on warseer confirmed the wording is "All options including relics from both books"

Free guns for everybody, free knight carapace upgrades. Crazy

That 'exclusive' formation is such a ridiculous cash grab that I will never field it lol.

I think that Hulksmash may well be correct, if so the Cult Mechanicus will weigh in at 850pts at least (290 Kastelans, 165 Destroyers, 150 Breachers and say at least 250 points for the Electro Priests (maybe 2 types of these, so possibly more?) and Dominus.

Still with the Skitarii Maniple and a Knight you pretty much have a 2000 point army.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well hopefully when the translation comes out itll just be the normal mantiple, the 1 of everything one can add up unless you take minimum unit sizes of everything

The WD leak says Battle Maniple, so it definitely is one of everything.

nudibranch wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well hopefully when the translation comes out itll just be the normal mantiple, the 1 of everything one can add up unless you take minimum unit sizes of everything

The WD leak says Battle Maniple, so it definitely is one of everything.

Well that one is slightly meh, I have the units to run it except the infiltrators, but would rather not use them anyways

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well hopefully when the translation comes out itll just be the normal mantiple, the 1 of everything one can add up unless you take minimum unit sizes of everything

The WD leak says Battle Maniple, so it definitely is one of everything.

Well that one is slightly meh, I have the units to run it except the infiltrators, but would rather not use them anyways

True. But if all equipment options on all other units, including relics, etc.. (a relic in each squad?) are free, it more than makes up the points for a squad of infiltrators. And the whole formation gets scout, crusader, and whatnot, no? + Skitarii Doctrina + Cult Mechanicus Canticles. Not too shabby.

Yea, but thats another box of units i'd have to buy lol

We still have no idea what Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation is...for all we know it could include 2000+ points worth of units

I can also confirm the rule, here's my translation of it:

"All the options available to the models in the formation (including Relics of Mars and Arcana Mechanicum) are free"


that seems beyond OP, so my guess is the Battle Congregation include a ton of units



EDIT: replaced "units" by "models" for more acurate translation

Basically an extreme version of that Vanguard/Sternguard BA formation that gave free power weapons and combi's. But if you're fielding this then you are probably only fielding this in tournament games which means it's not a huge deal.

wait...is the Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation only the name of the CM detachment (1 hq + 2 troops) !?!?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Basically an extreme version of that Vanguard/Sternguard BA formation that gave free power weapons and combi's. But if you're fielding this then you are probably only fielding this in tournament games which means it's not a huge deal.

Probably. But give it another 12 months, and they probably won't bother costing stuff with points at all anymore when they re-do Eldar again.

 RedFox wrote:
We still have no idea what Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation is...for all we know it could include 2000+ points worth of units
I can also confirm the rule, here's my translation of it:
"All the options available to the units in the formation (including Relics of Mars and Arcana Mechanicum) are free"
that seems beyond OP, so my guess is the Battle Congregation include a ton of units

Just craziness. Suddenly Onagers and Rangers get a lot better

suddenly you are going to be fielding every relic in both books every game

who knows what cantacles does, but giving it to everything.....


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Wonderwolf wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Basically an extreme version of that Vanguard/Sternguard BA formation that gave free power weapons and combi's. But if you're fielding this then you are probably only fielding this in tournament games which means it's not a huge deal.

Probably. But give it another 12 months, and they probably won't bother costing stuff with points at all anymore when they re-do Eldar again.

forge the narrative

So guys, Icarus Array or Neutronager for our single Onager tax in the BM?

 ultimentra wrote:
So guys, Icarus Array or Neutronager for our single Onager tax in the BM?

Well, you're gonna use your free Knight-upgrade for anti-air or not? If not, probably the free Icarus. If yes, probably the free Neutro-laser. Decisions, decisions.....

 ultimentra wrote:
So guys, Icarus Array or Neutronager for our single Onager tax in the BM?

I'm planning on taking an errant, so probably Icarus on the dunecralwer

I really REALLY hope that the combination of that formation even at its minimum is more than 1850 points...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Yea, but thats another box of units i'd have to buy lol

You have discovered the actual point of this formation - you giving GW more of your money

 gameandwatch wrote:
I really REALLY hope that the combination of that formation even at its minimum is more than 1850 points...

I dont, 1850 is what my local area plays.

 gameandwatch wrote:
I really REALLY hope that the combination of that formation even at its minimum is more than 1850 points...

Nah, it'll probably be just underneath at minimum. But once you add in more chicken walkers, Onagers, Robots, etc, it'll go over.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
So guys, Icarus Array or Neutronager for our single Onager tax in the BM?

I'm planning on taking an errant, so probably Icarus on the dunecralwer

Still get a free carapace-thingy for the Errant.

The admech formation SHOULD be at least 900 points, 300 for both types of troops, 300 for one group of robots, that leaves tech priest, and electro priests

That's the whose line formation. The rules are made up and the points no longer matter. GW seems to be forging the narrative that there's no point in a rules structure any longer.

Pulled it up on battle scribe, the Skitarri formation is 600 minimum, plus your flavor of knight for 325-425, plus 160-165 twice for your flavor of kataphrons plus 100-150 for an hq

1400 minimum with nothing added is what I'm guessing

It really depends on what the Cult detchachment is.

As for upgrades, does adding bodies to fill out a squad count as an 'option', so those bodies would be free?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Pulled it up on battle scribe, the Skitarri formation is 600 minimum, plus your flavor of knight for 325-425, plus 160-165 twice for your flavor of kataphrons plus 100-150 for an hq

1400 minimum with nothing added is what I'm guessing

It really depends on what the Cult detchachment is.

As for upgrades, does adding bodies to fill out a squad count as an 'option', so those bodies would be free?

The french version is all options per "figurines", which would be all options per model (but not different models). Hard to RAW in French though.

But yeah, if its 1 HQ, 2 Troop, it goes under 1500 pts. minimum AND is a lot more flexible to fit most of your games, if the Cult Mech is a CAD-style thing and not a Formation.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Pulled it up on battle scribe, the Skitarri formation is 600 minimum, plus your flavor of knight for 325-425, plus 160-165 twice for your flavor of kataphrons plus 100-150 for an hq

1400 minimum with nothing added is what I'm guessing

It really depends on what the Cult detchachment is.

As for upgrades, does adding bodies to fill out a squad count as an 'option', so those bodies would be free?

free options per models, not units

Question at this point is, is this formation as powerful as getting Ignores Cover and +1 BS on Heavy Grav Cannons?

 RedFox wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Pulled it up on battle scribe, the Skitarri formation is 600 minimum, plus your flavor of knight for 325-425, plus 160-165 twice for your flavor of kataphrons plus 100-150 for an hq

1400 minimum with nothing added is what I'm guessing

It really depends on what the Cult detchachment is.

As for upgrades, does adding bodies to fill out a squad count as an 'option', so those bodies would be free?

free options per models, not units

Figured as much, still vanguard/rangers are cheap if they'r enot paying for upgrades.

Good stuff

 ultimentra wrote:
Question at this point is, is this formation as powerful as getting Ignores Cover and +1 BS on Heavy Grav Cannons?

Depends, rumored abilitiy from the canticles is +1 BS and ignores cover to the whole army.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


Figured as much, still vanguard/rangers are cheap if they'r enot paying for upgrades.

Good stuff

Those at the very least can get nearly triple their worth of stuff.

5 Vanguard are just 55 pts. naked.

2x Plasma Caliver, Omnispex, Alpha with Arc Maul/Pistol, Conversion Field, Digi-weapons and a 25 pts. Relic is nearly 150 pts. of free stuff.

I hate this. I really hate this. Not only is this a shady marketing ploy, it completely diminishes the creativity surrounding list building by making every list that doesn't follow a careful structure inherently inferior. I certainly hope GW doesn't take this idea any further, though they probably will...

nudibranch wrote:
I hate this. I really hate this. Not only is this a shady marketing ploy, it completely diminishes the creativity surrounding list building by making every list that doesn't follow a careful structure inherently inferior. I certainly hope GW doesn't take this idea any further, though they probably will...

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just a super expensive and restrictive formation that people are going to freak out about and then only see once in a blue moon, in giant games. Your average gamer at a FLGS isn't going to field it and probably can't under 2000 point games.

Requizen wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
I hate this. I really hate this. Not only is this a shady marketing ploy, it completely diminishes the creativity surrounding list building by making every list that doesn't follow a careful structure inherently inferior. I certainly hope GW doesn't take this idea any further, though they probably will...

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just a super expensive and restrictive formation that people are going to freak out about and then only see once in a blue moon, in giant games. Your average gamer at a FLGS isn't going to field it and probably can't under 2000 point games.

We don't know the minimum points cost yet. Unless I missed something.

If it is 1850 or less why wouldn't someone field it? Especially if they want lots of ad mech Mars stuff on the board?

I agree that this kind of formation just kill any creativity from list building, everyone will just run this super OP formation...of course I'm assuming the Cult Mechanicus tax is not too high

There are some positives. Your army is going to look super cool with one of everything on the board. And it will let you practice with a lot of stuff you would never consider using otherwise, you might find something you overoverlooked you really like. It eliminates spam and the use of ( in my opinion). The far more powerful +1 bs and no cover formation with grav for days.

 pazuzu wrote:
Electropriest are 90 for 5. unit is 5-20 sized, more than we have seen they are zealot and have fnp
profil is 4/3/3/3/3/1/?

The fulgurite staff deal Instant death on a 6 to wound.

I bet that's the reason why GW thinks a T3 model on foot with no save to speak of is worth 18 points per model. Never mind the fact that the overwhelming majority of things in this game have 1 wound so that rule will almost never come into effect.

From a unit that was basically Electo wizards to this..... well at least they look cool.

I see the French have now decided to compete with the Germans over who can take the worst photo.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pazuzu wrote:
Electropriest are 90 for 5. unit is 5-20 sized, more than we have seen they are zealot and have fnp
profil is 4/3/3/3/3/1/?

The fulgurite staff deal Instant death on a 6 to wound.

I bet that's the reason why GW thinks a T3 model on foot with no save to speak of is worth 18 points per model. Never mind the fact that the overwhelming majority of things in this game have 1 wound so that rule will almost never come into effect.

I thought I was joking when I said 15 points per model. Wow

Yea, I am betting that the formation is one of each unit then you get the free stuff.

With the minimum costs and the forced choices it's gonna be pretty garbage even with the free upgrades. The blood angels formation has tons of free stuff but you never see it because the overall cost is much to high. Also remember it will be fixed unit selection so all of the points have to be spent in the units that you selected for boosting unit size etc

Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP....

MORE! MORE POWER TO THE COGNITORS I SAY! HAIL THE COG EMPEROR OF MARS!

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

Lol wow electro priests SUCK

nudibranch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

that has not been confirmed

we have no confirmation yet of what the CM battle congregation is

Mr.Church13 wrote:
That's the whose line formation. The rules are made up and the points no longer matter. GW seems to be forging the narrative that there's no point in a rules structure any longer.

Exalted and sigged!

(I'm a huge Whose line is it anyways fan)

 Leth wrote:
Yea, I am betting that the formation is one of each unit then you get the free stuff.

With the minimum costs and the forced choices it's gonna be pretty garbage even with the free upgrades. The blood angels formation has tons of free stuff but you never see it because the overall cost is much to high. Also remember it will be fixed unit selection so all of the points have to be spent in the units that you selected for boosting unit size etc

Battle mantiple is 600 points base. Even with meh units like the flavor of Sicarians, its still a value cause of the free upgrades

Sicarians have major weaknesses sure, T3 being the biggest offender, but man are they good. Infiltrator debuff is just so good and coupled with ruststalkers, they make the stalkers WAY more scary. I like them both personally.

In fact, I haven't found a unit I don't like except the rangers, I feel that in practice they are so far out-shined by the vanguard. Haven't tried ballistaris, as dragoons are the much better choice, but I could see a place for them.

Back to current topic, those priests with a statline like that... look really awful. There must be something we willl learn in the reveal that we are missing.

Also remember that all units that are part of the Skitarii Battle Maniple formation get scout (but not outflank) and have leadership 10 if within 12" of a Dunecrawler

And crusader.

Its worth it imo, the free upgrades to the troops/dunecrawlers, more than makes up the points for the sicarians.

Here is some rumor math-
1850 points
Skitarii Battle Maniple-
10 man Vanguard with free upgrades
5 man Rangers with free upgrades
1 Onager with free upgrades
1 Dragoon with free upgrades
RustStalkers with free upgrades
Infiltrators with free upgrades

All of this is 645 points.
The free upgrades means free weapons on troops, free Omnispex, and 1 free option for a princep/alpha which can be an Invuln save. Will likely be Omnicient Mask (zealot) for RustStalkers and Pater Radium for Infiltrators with invulns for the Alphas.

Knight Errant-
370 as everyone knows.

Cult mech-
2x 3man squads of Kataphron Destroyers is 165 points x2. Again free upgrades.

Skitarii Maniple-
Vanguard 5 man built for Arc weapons- 95pts
Vanguard 5 man- 55

This brings our grand total to 1495. This leaves nearly 400 points to do the following-
Add more Dragoons
Ally in a Drop Pod from BA
Build the Techpriest Dominus.

If you ally in a base BA ally detachment (Drop Pod, Scouts, Sangpriest) for a drop pod for those Vanguard you come to 1645. Plenty of points to take the Techpriest Dominus as I doubt he is more than 200 points and his upgrades are free. This formation is absolutely doable even with the Sicarian "tax" people are talking about. Even better if you can take multiple items per model for free to deck out the Princeps.

I know I'll be adding some kastellans in, with free arm guns

The 600 pts Skitarii Battle Maniple can get over 400+ pts of free updates when taking the minimum required units for the formation. Absolutely crazy.

Except if the cult requirements is one of everything now we are adding a 270 robot, so on and so forth. Sure some of the upgrades are free but a competitive army it does not make. You are sacrificing a lot to get those "free" upgrades. Also I would totally take the warden knight instead of the errant. So good

As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

that's pure speculation

nudibranch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

They wouldnt be good for 9 points.

 Exergy wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

They wouldnt be good for 9 points.

Seriously there has to be rules missing or something.

 RedFox wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

that's pure speculation

True thats all we have, whoever posted the french WD failed to post any force org pictures or anything.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 RedFox wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

that's pure speculation

True thats all we have, whoever posted the french WD failed to post any force org pictures or anything.

Likely it's set up the same as the Skitarii book. The Force Org listed early being equivalent to the Skitarii Maniple, and the Battle Congregation being a formation similar to the Battle Maniple formation - 1 of each.

Requizen wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 RedFox wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

that's pure speculation

True thats all we have, whoever posted the french WD failed to post any force org pictures or anything.

Likely it's set up the same as the Skitarii book. The Force Org listed early being equivalent to the Skitarii Maniple, and the Battle Congregation being a formation similar to the Battle Maniple formation - 1 of each.

Yes that would be my guess also

so two 5 man squad of electro priests :(

Ick I hope not, but would make sense

This formation is going to be auto loss in kill point missions.

if you're sore about the price for the tech priest, I remind you that Hi Tech

A-Exists



B-Is having a sale

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/648522.page

http://hitechminiatures.com/

Asside from the shameless plug, that HiTech model has no glorious pimp cane

Yes I too find the lack of pimp cane disturbing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I see the French have now decided to compete with the Germans over who can take the worst photo.

LOL!!! +1

nudibranch wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

They wouldnt be good for 9 points.

Seriously there has to be rules missing or something.

Maybe they have the 'Can run an extra 3"' thing. That doesn't help, mind you, because at the end of the day T3 no armour AP4 assault-only infantry don't have a lot going for them, 3" extra or not.

But if really have the rules as they have been presented, then I'm dead certain that the 18 points comes from the "instant death on a 6" rule they have, no matter how rarely that rule is ever going to come up. In other words, they've been costed based on their potential, not on their actual in-game worth.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I see the French have now decided to compete with the Germans over who can take the worst photo.

Lol, imo its really not that hard to take a decent photo. Hell, if I had my hands on a leak I think i'd try even harder to take good images (and not forget to photograph everything). How people that don't care get their hands on this stuff blows my mind sometimes. My 30 dollar smartphone is what I use to photograph my models and even that turns out sharp with some effort.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Maybe they have the 'Can run an extra 3"' thing. That doesn't help, mind you, because at the end of the day T3 no armour AP4 assault-only infantry don't have a lot going for them, 3" extra or not.

But if really have the rules as they have been presented, then I'm dead certain that the 18 points comes from the "instant death on a 6" rule they have, no matter how rarely that rule is ever going to come up. In other words, they've been costed based on their potential, not on their actual in-game worth.

It's possible. But dont DE grotesques have instant death on a 6. Arent they also S+T5 with 3attacks and 3 wounds

I dunno where these rumored stats are coming from but I have the rules for electro priests in front of me and they're totally wrong.

For starters electro priests are S8 with a 4+

*sigh*

We wish Kyoto. We wish.

I still wish there were no such things as Electro-Priests in units, but rather an army would have a few Electro-Priests, and they were like the AdMech's version of a psyker (no actual psychic powers - but mechanical enhancement buffs, super-charging, over-charging, projecting targeting data, etc.).

Not just dudes with staves running around and getting killed before they reach combat.

I'm sure when Codex: Everything-mechanicus is done GW will be scratching their heads for some other HQ choices and make up an Electro-priest double plus... you know since they want to charge $36 for clam packs.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*sigh*

We wish Kyoto. We wish.

I still wish there were no such things as Electro-Priests in units, but rather an army would have a few Electro-Priests, and they were like the AdMech's version of a psyker (no actual psychic powers - but mechanical enhancement buffs, super-charging, over-charging, projecting targeting data, etc.).

Not just dudes with staves running around and getting killed before they reach combat.

Yeah but that would be... interesting. And we can't have that.

It's weird. If I were GW I'd throw in a servitor hoard, cutting tools, optional upgrades to guns and servo arms and throw them out for 5 points a model to sell hoards.

Instead they have these worthless 'elite' units people will buy a box or two of at best.

IIRC the Skitarii fluff had something about most AM workers having elect-toos so the fluff on these might be they're civilians pressed into service.

But then why are they elite?


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 aka_mythos wrote:
I'm sure when Codex: Everything-mechanicus is done GW will be scratching their heads for some other HQ choices and make up an Electro-priest double plus...

nah because then they'd have to make a model, and as we saw wiht the Skitarii they do not want to make HQ units we can kitbash out of cheap (or 'cheap') kits.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's weird. If I were GW I'd throw in a servitor hoard, cutting tools, optional upgrades to guns and servo arms and throw them out for 5 points a model to sell hoards.

Plastic Servitors! My pre-frontal cortex for plastic Servitors! Led by lower-level Tech-Priests. Options for combat and gun servitors. Oh it would be glorious.

But no. The only Servitors remain those in FineCost with the damned Tech-Marine...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's weird. If I were GW I'd throw in a servitor hoard, cutting tools, optional upgrades to guns and servo arms and throw them out for 5 points a model to sell hoards.

Plastic Servitors! My pre-frontal cortex for plastic Servitors! Led by lower-level Tech-Priests. Options for combat and gun servitors. Oh it would be glorious.

But no. The only Servitors remain those in FineCost with the damned Tech-Marine...

There would be something so painfully simple about an Enginseer with 4 servitors in a box set and then simply allowing us to take a squad composed of multiples of that kit.

Well, you've sort of got a plastic Servitor in the Storm Raven.

Personally, if I were going to make a combat Servitor unit, I'd make them look like full on robots. A fair number of books have Servitors that are described as basically being completely mechanical except with a human brain installed (I seem to recall Eisenhorn fighting one described as a mechanical bull with a forklift for a head). Those would be so much cooler than some guy in a jumpsuit with bits of metal slapped onto him.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*sigh*

We wish Kyoto. We wish.

I still wish there were no such things as Electro-Priests in units, but rather an army would have a few Electro-Priests, and they were like the AdMech's version of a psyker (no actual psychic powers - but mechanical enhancement buffs, super-charging, over-charging, projecting targeting data, etc.).

Not just dudes with staves running around and getting killed before they reach combat.

Sounds like someone would not mind Cybertheurgy in 40k.

Pfft. It's a rule that every codex has dud unit.

In any case, with Kataphrons and Ruststalkers on the table, who the hell is going to shoot the Electro-Priests first? They're going to see combat.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's weird. If I were GW I'd throw in a servitor hoard, cutting tools, optional upgrades to guns and servo arms and throw them out for 5 points a model to sell hoards.

Plastic Servitors! My pre-frontal cortex for plastic Servitors! Led by lower-level Tech-Priests. Options for combat and gun servitors. Oh it would be glorious.

But no. The only Servitors remain those in FineCost with the damned Tech-Marine...

There would be something so painfully simple about an Enginseer with 4 servitors in a box set and then simply allowing us to take a squad composed of multiples of that kit.

You can more or less do that in 30K with Techpriest Auxillia squads, which can also become a troop choice if you have a Macrotek magos.

Also, EVERYONE, MEET THE NEW REPENTIA!!!

Images from the next White Dwarf, german issue, at least quality pics this time

*Adding more from the gallery of the article*

Source: http://www.gamestrust.de/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-electro-priests-dominus-regeln-wd-69-cover,id43296.html

The Dominus looks gorgeous. Also I so wish the Staff Electro priests weren't as bad as the rules are making them look. They are so pretty!!!

Warhams-77 wrote:
Images from the next White Dwarf, german issue, at least quality pics this time

*Adding more from the gallery of the article*

Source: http://www.gamestrust.de/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-electro-priests-dominus-regeln-wd-69-cover,id43296.html

Spoiler:

Very nice.

Someone needs to translate the rules for the HQ! Where are zee Germans!?

Zee Germans are here!

Lord of the Machines:
In every of your shooting phases the Tech-Priest Dominus may repair a single vehicle he is either embarked on or or in base contact with or restore a wound instead of firing one of his weapons. Roll a D6. On a 2 or higher the attempt is successful: if you repair a vehicle, you may restore a hull point or undo an "immobilized" or "weapon destroyed" result; this happens immediately. If you restore a wound, the Tech-Priest Dominus or any model in his unit of the Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus Factions gain a Wound they lost previously; this happens immediately.

-may replace his volkite blaster with an eradication beamer 15pts
- may replace it's macropistol with a Phosphor Serpenta
5 pts
- may receive items from special wargear and/or Arcana Mechanicum

Also has Canticles, FNP, relentless and is an IC.

 Thairne wrote:
Zee Germans are here!

Lord of the Machines:
In every of your shooting phases the Tech-Priest Dominus may repair a single vehicle he is either embarked on or or in base contact with or restore a wound instead of firing one of his weapons. Roll a D6. On a 2 or higher the attempt is successful: if you repair a vehicle, you may restore a hull point or undo an "immobilized" or "weapon destroyed" result; this happens immediately. If you restore a wound, the Tech-Priest Dominus or any model in his unit of the Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus Factions gain a Wound they lost previously; this happens immediately.

-may replace his volkite blaster with an eradication beamer 15pts
- may replace it's macropistol with a Phosphor Serpenta
5 pts
- may receive items from special wargear and/or Arcana Mechanicum

Also has Canticles, FNP, relentless and is an IC.

What are the rules for the Electro-Priests? Do they make them worth taking in any way?

Well, aside from the Kastelans and Tech-Priest Dominus I'm not too impressed with this portion of the release.

So yay, my wallet is safe!

Sooo, the melee-priests are at least not awful at melee i guess, but the shooty-priests... Hooooooly gak they're worse than vanguard. Str4 12" AP- assault2 with twin-linked and basically the taser rule from the Skitarii dex... on a vanguard with a 5++ instead of a 4+ buT ARE STILL TOUGHNESS 3 SO THEY'LL GET ID'D ALL OVER THE PLACE-GAAHHH WHY ARE THESE AN 18PTS/MODEL ELITE CHOICE?!

And boy, the electropriests are probably the most overpriced unit out there. 18 pts? WHAT?
The Gauntlet guys have the "a 6 does two extra wounds" rule while the staffy guys cause instant death on a 6 and can increase their 5++ to a 3++ if they destroy a unit in CC (sweeps do count).
Both have FNP and Zealot.
Not enough attacks and most likely not enough shots for that price with that statline.

The Dominus can repair like Techmarines. He can also heal a wound earlier lost in battle. This can be himself or a model from his unit (limited to CM and SK). 1 wound healed. Success at 2+ (same with repairing). He shoots with one less(!) weapon when he uses this ability

nudibranch wrote:
Sooo, the melee-priests are at least not bad at melee i guess, but the shooty-priests... Hooooooly gak they're worse than vanguard. Str4 12" AP- assault2 with twin-linked and basically the taser rule from the Skitarii dex... on a vanguard with a 5++ instead of a 4+ buT ARE STILL TOUGHNESS 3 SO THEY'LL GET ID'D ALL OVER THE PLACE-GAAHHH WHY ARE THESE AN 18PTS/MODEL ELITE CHOICE?!

Because every codex needs at least one dud unit that looks cool.

Interesting. He can repair any vehicles from any faction it seems, but only restore ad mech wounds.

Does he have an invulnerable save too? Although that might be a bit much if he is four wounds with fnp already for 105 points...

Dominus has Feel no pain and relentless. He is an IC

Got ninja'd

The Dominus is very very nice, but ridiculously priced. And he has a Volkite gun right?