How much of the game is actually done and how will the budget be used?
We have built core gameplay systems and actually have the basic gameplay up and running. We are continuing to build more of the gameplay systems, networking, and content necessary for the full game.
How will the game be distributed? Will it be on Steam?
Once we submit and are approved by Greenlight, we will be distributing through Steam. We will also distribute through other platforms, which we will announce as they are confirmed.
How does platform-specific DRM work?
Every platform has a difference stance on DRM and a different way they integrate it if they require it. We will not write any DRM into the core software unless a particular platform needs it there in order for us to get the game to you through that platform. That being said, platforms like Steam have very elegant versions of DRM that are completely invisible to the player. Just start the game and play!
What are the system requirements for the game?
Our current target specs are:
• Windows XP SP3 (32-bit) or Mac OSX 10.6.8
• 2.0+ GHz processor
• 2 GB system RAM
• A graphics card with shader model 3.0 support
What are the plans for mobile and console support? What about the Ouya?
We're currently focused on PC and Mac. But we've built the interface to work on any platform so that should the opportunity arise, we'll be ready to port without starting from scratch. And you can bet we'll be looking for more platform opportunities!
Will there be a Linux version of the game?
Currently we do not have plans for a Linux version, but we're researching it right now.
How is WARMACHINE: Tactics different from the WARMACHINE tabletop game?
The video game will be familiar to WARMACHINE players and at the same time is going to provide a whole new experience. The scope is different, a few more options for squad-building open up as units gain experience, and you can take more complex actions in combat. We’ll be rolling out a slew of videos and postings in the coming weeks that will demonstrate many of the unique features of WARMACHINE: Tactics with explanations straight from the design team.
What are the plans for HORDES?
Our ambition is to realize as much of the Iron Kingdoms as possible. If we blow this thing away, we’ll be moving on to HORDES as soon as we are able to.
What are the plans for the Retribution of Scyrah and the Convergence of Cyriss?
We are planning to introduce Retribution of Scyrah into the game. Reaching certain stretch goals (to be revealed soon) will get them here much sooner! Same goes for Convergence, although their unique game mechanics mean they will require more time and effort to include.
How do I get both versions of Sturgis?
The limited-edition sculpt of Sturgis (with gold card and collector’s coin) can be obtained by selecting Sturgis through any pledge level with a physical reward OR as an Add-On for $20 to any pledge at the New Recruit level or higher.
If you want to make both versions of Sturgis, just increase your pledge by $10 and when the campaign ends and you receive your backer survey by email select the Dual Allegiance Add-On.
Will the novice warcasters and Sturgis be available after the Kickstarter?
The novice warcasters will release as different, unlimited sculpts several months after the exclusive limited-edition sculpts have been delivered to our backers. Sturgis will eventually see a general unlimited release as a different sculpt as well, with a release date TBD.
Can I pledge using PayPal?
We are currently exploring PayPal as an alternate payment method. We’ll let you know when and if we make it available.
Can I purchase add-ons without pledging for the video game itself?
No. To be eligible for add-ons you must pledge at the $20 New Recruit level or higher.
Why is international shipping so expensive?
Unfortunately, we must list one rate to cover all possible shipping locations in the world, which of course defaults to the highest.
However, we're working furiously to sort out some different international shipping options that we hope will reduce shipping costs. Watch our FAQ and updates for more info soon!
Why do I have to pledge $25 to get the digital game manual?
The digital game manual is an added benefit for the increased pledge over the normal game, along with the forum badge. The manual itself is something of an art project with a great deal of additional art, writing, and graphic design work that goes into it. It’s designed for enthusiasts but of course is not needed to play the game. The game will be built with in-game tutorials to teach you how to play. The addition of a digital game manual is a very standard offering among digitally distributed video games today.
How many limited-edition sculpts can I get?
The sculpts are limited to one of each character, per backer. However, as an Add-On, you can obtain the parts necessary to assemble Sturgis in both his Cygnar and Cryx forms.
We have limited the sculpts because they are intended as exclusive rewards for the backers of WARMACHINE: Tactics. While we realize this may seem like we’re also limiting the potential income for the project, it’s important to us that we honor our backers by maintaining the exclusivity of these rewards; we do not want to undermine their prestige by flooding the community with them. We’re not here to sell miniatures—we already do that pretty well—we’re here to bring the support of our community together so we can create an amazing new kind of WARMACHINE experience. We hope you’ll support this decision to maintain the spirit of Kickstarter by this choice.
Will sculpts of all the models be previewed before the Kickstarter campaign ends?
We are doing our best to provide 3D models of all these models as soon as possible, but we can’t say just when we will be able to show them. We’ll reveal each one as soon as it’s done.
Do WARMACHINE models like the novice warcasters and Commander Sturgis come pre-painted and assembled?
No. They are hobby figures that must be assembled and painted (which is half the fun if you ask us!).
Will the Kickstarter-exclusive limited-edition sculpt models be tournament legal when they release?
Yes. This is their official release.
Shipping changes for European Backers:
Thanks to our partners at Cerberus in the UK, we've worked out a plan to ship the limited edition sculpts at a greatly reduced price. And because the items will be shipping from Cerberus in the UK, you won't have additional customs charges either.
NOTE: The shipping cost of the War Chest and Warcaster Portrait, has not changed. This is only for the limited-edition sculpts with card and coin.
How this works: When you pledge, you'll be prompted to add a $25 shipping charge to your pledge. Instead, add the following amounts depending on your territory and number of figures you are going to receive via your pledge or as Add Ons:
Note, because we'll be freighting everything to Cerberus, this may make delivery slightly later than expected domestically, but our hope is that the savings will make pledging for the limited-edition sculpts more palatable!
And thank you to our partners at Cerberus for throwing in and helping us to get this done! Many, many thanks!
For Canadians:
For Canadian backers, we have managed to work out some better shipping options as well!
NOTE: The shipping cost of the War Chest and Warcaster Portrait, has not changed. This is only for the limited-edition sculpts with card and coin.
How this works: When you pledge, you'll be prompted to add a $25 shipping charge to your pledge. Instead, add the following amount depending on the number of figures you are going to receive via your pledge or as Add Ons:
In just one more day—July 10, 2013—the WARMACHINE: Tactics Kickstarter campaign will launch, the culmination of months of hard work. When we decided this was the right way to fund Tactics, we knew we’d want to go the whole nine yards when it came to the coolest part of a Kickstarter campaign: the rewards. Here’s a sneak peek at a little of what’s waiting!
One of the most exciting things for us in developing this video game is that the close relationship we enjoy with WhiteMoon Dreams through Privateer Press Interactive makes it possible for us to develop new stories and characters in tandem for both the video game and the miniatures game. In other words, as we developed Cygnaran Journeyman Warcaster Lt. Allison Jakes for the video game, we also got to develop her for the tabletop!
The initial sculpt for Jakes, the star of the first single-player Tactics campaign, will be available only through the Kickstarter. That limited-edition sculpt will be available only to backers—and they’ll get it months before an unlimited sculpt is released. As if that weren’t enough, the debut sculpt will be accompanied by a limited-edition collector’s coin and a gold stat card! Jakes’ story is full of twists and turns we’ll reveal once the Kickstarter launches.
As excited as we are to present Jakes in both Tactics and WARMACHINE, we wanted to go even bigger. And that’s why the WARMACHINE: Tactics Kickstarter will make available five more novice warcasters. These unique characters represent up-and-coming ’casters for each of the warring nations of western Immoren, plus Mercenaries, of course!
Just like Jakes, these five novice warcasters will all be available via Kickstarter rewards as limited-edition sculpts accompanied by collector’s coins and gold cards. They’ll all enjoy general release with new sculpts in the future, but these initial sculpts will be offered only through the Kickstarter. Once we make them for our backers, we’ll literally break the molds as part of a Privateer HQ Sledgehammer Tournament!
We’ll have a lot more to share about the new novice warcasters when the WARMACHINE: Tactics Kickstarter launches tomorrow, as well as a new character who represents a number of firsts for WARMACHINE. For now, though, I’ll leave you with the names of these new men and women sure to leave a lasting impact on the world of WARMACHINE.
Cygnar – Journeyman Warcaster, Lt. Allison Jakes
Khador – Kovnik Andrei Malakov
Protectorate of Menoth – Initiate Tristan Durant
Cryx – Aiakos, Scourge of the Meredius
Mercenaries – Gastone Crosse
Retribution of Scyrah – Elara, Tyro of the Third Chamber
Add Ons
Spoiler:
Additionally, you can get your hands on the first warcaster character ever to die and cross factions, Commander Dalin Sturgis, months before his 2014 release. This model includes two different heads, weapons, and power plants so that you can build his heroic Cygnar incarnation if you prefer to play him living, or you can make his undead Cryx incarnation, Sturgis the Corrupted, and let him lead the forces of the Dragonfather! Sturgis is a limited-edition sculpt and comes with both Cygnar and Cryx exclusive gold stat cards, to match your modeling choice, as well as a limited-edition collector’s coin commemorating both his light and dark sides.
No Hordes characters means I can safely skip this... not so sure about a KS-exclusive character sculpt, those will be very sought after in the future. Makes a lot of business sense as a reward, and will get a lot more people to sign on, though.
RiTides wrote: No Hordes characters means I can safely skip this... not so sure about a KS-exclusive character sculpt, those will be very sought after in the future. Makes a lot of business sense as a reward, and will get a lot more people to sign on, though.
Well, considering there's no [playable]* Hordes in the game, there's no reason for Hordes Characters to show up(unless they decided to add some as later incentives to up the total near the end).
Also, I'm glad that there'll be a retail version for each, even though I'm pledging for the whole gamut tomorrow. Gives those who care not a jot about the game a chance to use these new characters.
Also, on the PP boards it's been confirmed ALL of them have the Journeyman rules. I look forward to someone fielding Jr., Jakes, and Gastonne(assuming he IS Llaelese as his name suggests) in a single list.
*No idea if it'll happen, just covering in case there's a level where you fight Circle or something.
RiTides wrote: No Hordes characters means I can safely skip this... not so sure about a KS-exclusive character sculpt, those will be very sought after in the future. Makes a lot of business sense as a reward, and will get a lot more people to sign on, though.
Just skipping the Kickstarter or are you skipping the game altogether?
Probably just the kickstarter... then I can decide about the game the old-fashioned way... talking to people / seeing reviews of whether or not it is good and worth getting!
Kroothawk wrote: So you have to preorder a video game to get these limited miniatures?
You must contribute to the funding of a video game! Much different from a preorder
But yes, I think the miniatures offered to backers will only be like backers, unlike things like the Con Ashlynn that were pre released and then released later.
The first exclusive sculpts will be a available only to backers. A few months down the road they will release non exclusive sculpts of the minis for everyone else.
So a win for those who back and will get an exclusive mini and a win for those who don't who still want the rules eventually
I wonder what they'll be, a FA: C solo journeyman sort of thing?
The sad thing is that if the Cygnar one doesn't have Arcane Shield, she'll see almost no play time compared to the regular Journeyman. Unless they come up with something equally valuable for her (I doubt it though)
Kroothawk wrote: So you have to preorder a video game to get these limited miniatures?
Or you wait. They mention an "unlimited" release of the models featuring
a different sculpt. Thus they will continue to be playable and available even
though the original sculpts will have a limited release. It's an incentive to
back the kickstarter without creating a game availability imbalance.
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motyak wrote: I wonder what they'll be, a FA: C solo journeyman sort of thing?
The sad thing is that if the Cygnar one doesn't have Arcane Shield, she'll see almost no play time compared to the regular Journeyman
Seems more likely that they'll be characters.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
. These unique characters represent up-and-coming ’casters for each of the warring nations of western Immoren, plus Mercenaries, of course!
Niiiiice. I'll be interested to see what the Menite initiate is like, but if he can run an extra jack in our faction and has even one reasonably useful spell, he'll almost certainly be awesome.
Curious as to how the fig looks. May back this just for the fig. Don't have much faith in Whitemoon actually delivering anything. Have been burned with the Double Fine Adventure KS weary of software KS.
That they don't have any released game under their belt is not a good sign. The only news article I can find about them is from 2009 in the LA times and how letting go of one employee caused a ripple affect of economic ruin.
I sold all my warmachine (cryx) stuff about a year ago, but tempted to go in for my first kickstarter with this, always liked the look of cygnar minis.
I like the Cryx and Ret ones...the others seem a little 'small' but I think that is because they are still junior guys and not veterans...in which case I think they have pulled this off.
I would love to see this do well enough to encompass Hordes.
Edit: Also, it is now 12:22pm on 10th July. PP need to pull their finger out!
Translation accomplished! Apparently the spell is fortify, which is +2 ARM to a target warjack in battlegroup, and the target and models base to base with the target can't suffer KD, be pushed, or be slammed. Not bad, although slightly dependent on what else he gets.
Agamemnon2 wrote: Makes sense as a reward, everyone loves Kickstarter exclusive miniatures, and if they're doing that, might as well give them rules, too.
If they can be purchased with out the game Ill be getting one, or more. If I have to buy the game...pass. Im not much of a video game person. The only one I play, Runescape, takes up enough of my time as it is.
I'm not sure I'm happy with how so many established companies are starting to use Kickstarter to have no-risk releases.
I feel that such big company Kickstarter campaigns provides a lot of distraction that makes it harder for the start-ups and small businesses to be heard with their own campaigns.
More news, apparently cross faction Warcasters are a go!
Additionally, you can get your hands on the first warcaster character ever to die and cross factions, Commander Dalin Sturgis, months before his 2014 release. This model includes two different heads, weapons, and power plants so that you can build his heroic Cygnar incarnation if you prefer to play him living, or you can make his undead Cryx incarnation, Sturgis the Corrupted, and let him lead the forces of the Dragonfather! Sturgis is a limited-edition sculpt and comes with both Cygnar and Cryx exclusive gold stat cards, to match your modeling choice, as well as a limited-edition collector’s coin commemorating both his light and dark sides.
PhantomViper wrote: More news, apparently cross faction Warcasters are a go!
Additionally, you can get your hands on the first warcaster character ever to die and cross factions, Commander Dalin Sturgis, months before his 2014 release. This model includes two different heads, weapons, and power plants so that you can build his heroic Cygnar incarnation if you prefer to play him living, or you can make his undead Cryx incarnation, Sturgis the Corrupted, and let him lead the forces of the Dragonfather! Sturgis is a limited-edition sculpt and comes with both Cygnar and Cryx exclusive gold stat cards, to match your modeling choice, as well as a limited-edition collector’s coin commemorating both his light and dark sides.
I'm not sure I'm happy with how so many established companies are starting to use Kickstarter to have no-risk releases.
I feel that such big company Kickstarter campaigns provides a lot of distraction that makes it harder for the start-ups and small businesses to be heard with their own campaigns.
I was like that initially, but the more I thought about it, the less concerned I got.
I'm completely fine with companies using KS as a risk mitigation tool, because I'd rather companies I like be allowed to take risks on KS without having to worry about it killing them financially. The prime example of this is Dread Fleet which, while I thought it was really great, has probably made GW a lot more skeptical of releasing things like that.
Apparently the runes say "Fortfy", which is battlegroup jack gets +2 ARM and it (and friendlies in base contact with it) cannot be knocked down. Very sweet, though battle group only makes it quite limited (and I'm OK with that).
The only other thing is I was really hoping for a Paladin journeyman, but he looks a little more like Vinidictus light. But I'm OK with that too
Once it opens, I'll update the title and main post and turn it into the official thread for the project.
Also, going by the criteria of dieing and being brought back by Cryx, the new Cross-faction Warcaster isn't the first ever to die in fiction, Deneghra is.
Platuan4th wrote: Once it opens, I'll update the title and main post and turn it into the official thread for the project.
Also, going by the criteria of dieing and being brought back by Cryx, the new Cross-faction Warcaster isn't the first ever to die in fiction, Deneghra is.
But he is the first to cross factions upon his death. And thanks for the update (when it comes that is). When do you reckon it'll be? Afternoon to catch after work people to pledge, or during the middle of the day? And yes, I'm asking for pure speculation here, since I've got nothing better to do.
Decided to pre-emptively change the title in case I forget to do it later(cause I do that sometimes). Also, going to try to keep the first post updated with any new developments in case the thread grows as large as some have in the past.
I'm not sure I'm happy with how so many established companies are starting to use Kickstarter to have no-risk releases.
I feel that such big company Kickstarter campaigns provides a lot of distraction that makes it harder for the start-ups and small businesses to be heard with their own campaigns.
I've heard somewhere that established companies doing Kickstarters actually tend to bring in a lot of backers who are completely new to Kickstarter, and who then go on to pledge for various other campaigns on the website. Don't ask me for references, because I honestly don't remember where I read that, but it sounds plausible/logical to me.
Also, I wouldn't exactly call it "risk-free" - I'm guessing that PP has already blown thousands of dollars on this idea. Concept art, sculptors, payroll for employees, web development, etc. And there's always a chance that the Kickstarter could fail, depending on how much they're asking for.
I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
motyak wrote: I wonder what they'll be, a FA: C solo journeyman sort of thing?
The sad thing is that if the Cygnar one doesn't have Arcane Shield, she'll see almost no play time compared to the regular Journeyman. Unless they come up with something equally valuable for her (I doubt it though)
Even if she doesnt, I'd see lots of sales to serve as conversion fodder for a non-crappy Haley model.
Elara's right leg looks goofy, they need to rotate if like 45 degrees.It looks like she's sitting.
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
Limited Edition + Coin + Special card
Its steep, I agree, but I can see how they are reaching that value.
PhantomViper wrote: More news, apparently cross faction Warcasters are a go!
Additionally, you can get your hands on the first warcaster character ever to die and cross factions, Commander Dalin Sturgis, months before his 2014 release. This model includes two different heads, weapons, and power plants so that you can build his heroic Cygnar incarnation if you prefer to play him living, or you can make his undead Cryx incarnation, Sturgis the Corrupted, and let him lead the forces of the Dragonfather! Sturgis is a limited-edition sculpt and comes with both Cygnar and Cryx exclusive gold stat cards, to match your modeling choice, as well as a limited-edition collector’s coin commemorating both his light and dark sides.
UNless he has a new torso as well, he's going to be an odd fit in Cygnar, what with the shirtless, and the chains and all.
Also, I wouldn't exactly call it "risk-free" - I'm guessing that PP has already blown thousands of dollars on this idea. Concept art, sculptors, payroll for employees, web development, etc. And there's always a chance that the Kickstarter could fail, depending on how much they're asking for.
Way more than thousands, PP has funded creating a bunch of proof of concept games then shopped around for a publisher, it was a dota clone, and then a 3rd person shooter/fighter, and now a turn based combat game.
instead of continued futzing around for a publisher, they want to do it themselves, exactly what kickstarter is good for, if PP gets their hands into this game deep and does it properly it'll probably be pretty great and bring plenty of new folks into warmachine.
PhantomViper wrote: More news, apparently cross faction Warcasters are a go!
Additionally, you can get your hands on the first warcaster character ever to die and cross factions, Commander Dalin Sturgis, months before his 2014 release. This model includes two different heads, weapons, and power plants so that you can build his heroic Cygnar incarnation if you prefer to play him living, or you can make his undead Cryx incarnation, Sturgis the Corrupted, and let him lead the forces of the Dragonfather! Sturgis is a limited-edition sculpt and comes with both Cygnar and Cryx exclusive gold stat cards, to match your modeling choice, as well as a limited-edition collector’s coin commemorating both his light and dark sides.
UNless he has a new torso as well, he's going to be an odd fit in Cygnar, what with the shirtless, and the chains and all.
You are mistaking the Cryx "journeyman" with these new warcasters. they are different models.
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
Limited Edition + Coin + Special card
Its steep, I agree, but I can see how they are reaching that value.
I agree, it was just a bit surprising. I personally don't put any value on the coin. I mean, what do people do with these coins?
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one! Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
Limited Edition + Coin + Special card
Its steep, I agree, but I can see how they are reaching that value.
I agree, it was just a bit surprising. I personally don't put any value on the coin. I mean, what do people do with these coins?
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
I assume its because they are limited runs, so the molds will get less use, and so they need to charge more per unit to make up the difference? But still... seems rather high. What did the Druid Gone Wilder sell for?
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Somebody pointed out on the PP boards that Gastone is Italian.
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
the kickstarter isnt for $20 warcasters
the warcasters are a bonus/freebie/whatevertheFyouwanttocallit
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
the kickstarter isnt for $20 warcasters
the warcasters are a bonus/freebie/whatevertheFyouwanttocallit
Yes, but the images all show "+20$" which usually means that if you wan't to get those extra models you'll have to add +20$ on top of your pledge.
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Somebody pointed out on the PP boards that Gastone is Italian.
Personally I lean more towards him being Ordic.
What really matters is that he's roughly the size of a baaaaaaaaaarge.
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
the kickstarter isnt for $20 warcasters
the warcasters are a bonus/freebie/whatevertheFyouwanttocallit
Yes, but the images all show "+20$" which usually means that if you wan't to get those extra models you'll have to add +20$ on top of your pledge.
Read the images again. They all say "Or pledge at X levels".
B0B MaRlEy wrote: I hope the pricing isn't too obscene, I'd love to get on with that one!
Also Gastonne Crosse? Really? Probably Llaelese , gaston being an existing French name and Crosse meaning rifle-butt...
Well, it does look like the warcasters are going to be $20.....which, I have to admit, seems a bit high, especially on a KS.
the kickstarter isnt for $20 warcasters
the warcasters are a bonus/freebie/whatevertheFyouwanttocallit
Yes, but the images all show "+20$" which usually means that if you wan't to get those extra models you'll have to add +20$ on top of your pledge.
and?
"if you pledge XYZ, we'll give you a kickstarter only limited ed. high 5 for an additional $20"
"WHAT $20 FOR A HIGH 5 I DONT CARE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FUND SOMETHING THATS A RIPOFF AND I DONT WANT TO WAIT FOR THE REGULAR MODEL EITHER I WANT THE SPECIAL ONE YOU PROBABLY WONT RECOUP COSTS FOR, CAUSE I'M WORTH IT!"
I don't quite get your all caps little rant there at the end, I simply said I was a bit surprised.
IIRC, Druid Gone Wilder was....$16? You can get the Kilt Lifter on their website now for $15.
It just means for me, if they are in fact $20, that I won't be getting all of them. I'll probably just get the Cygnar one and maybe another. If they were, say, less than $15 a piece (and for a KS exclusive, I think $12 would have been a good price), I'd have been more inclined to get all of them, just because.
Limited run+being a character+the coin and limited card version+Shipping. $20 is about right for the cost when compared to other single model character costs.
cincydooley wrote: I don't quite get your all caps little rant there at the end, I simply said I was a bit surprised.
IIRC, Druid Gone Wilder was....$16? You can get the Kilt Lifter on their website now for $15.
Trying to make a little beyond production costs =/= trying to fully fund an expensive project with profits
if you dont like it wait for the "real" models is a fully acceptable option.
cincydooley wrote: I don't quite get your all caps little rant there at the end, I simply said I was a bit surprised.
IIRC, Druid Gone Wilder was....$16? You can get the Kilt Lifter on their website now for $15.
Trying to make a little beyond production costs =/= trying to fully fund an expensive project with profits
if you dont like it wait for the "real" models is a fully acceptable option.
Well, you did a very poor job making your point. Getting all caps-locky doesn't help, either.
And you apparently stopped reading my comment at the Kilt Lifter price (which, like the Druid Gone Wilder, is ALSO a limited run model, so it's a valid comparison) because I said I'm still going to purchase, at the very least, the Cygnar model. I simply noted that were they less, their chances of getting MORE money from me would have increased.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, Privateer doesn't "officially" open for another half hour, so I'd imagine we'll see this launch around 12 or 1 EST.
And you apparently stopped reading my comment at the Kilt Lifter price (which, like the Druid Gone Wilder, is ALSO a limited run model, so it's a valid comparison
Which one of those were created to directly fund a video game and weren't just limited run models again?
Ah I have to give up, I need to be up in 4 or 5 hours and actually functioning. Dammit, at least it will be waiting for me on the morr-...later this morning
Just to be sure I'm not seeing things, the only limited levels are really pricey ($350+), right?
That my not be quite right. This is from the PP website's Kickstarter tab:
There are two ways you can acquire the limited-edition sculpts and collector’s coins:
Pledge at one of the six tiers that includes miniatures. You’ll specify which miniatures you want when you receive our survey at the completion of the Kickstarter campaign. OR ADD ON one or more limited-edition sculpts and collector’s coins to your pledge.
Only one of each character may be received by each backer.
Note: The limited-edition sculpts are exclusive poses of these new characters created especially for the backers of WARMACHINE: Tactics. Once this Kickstarter project is over, we will never offer them again, and we will destroy the molds after the figures have been produced.
Strangely enough if you pledged for the 25$ level and added on all the models it would end up being less than the 205$ pledge.
Just to be sure I'm not seeing things, the only limited levels are really pricey ($350+), right?
That my not be quite right. This is from the PP website's Kickstarter tab:
Spoiler:
There are two ways you can acquire the limited-edition sculpts and collector’s coins:
Pledge at one of the six tiers that includes miniatures. You’ll specify which miniatures you want when you receive our survey at the completion of the Kickstarter campaign. OR ADD ON one or more limited-edition sculpts and collector’s coins to your pledge.
Only one of each character may be received by each backer.
Note: The limited-edition sculpts are exclusive poses of these new characters created especially for the backers of WARMACHINE: Tactics. Once this Kickstarter project is over, we will never offer them again, and we will destroy the molds after the figures have been produced.
Right, but all those pledges have unlimited availability. It's just Warchest and above that have a limited number of slots available.
Edit: $550,000 doesn't sound so crazy for a full video game. Heck, I don't even know if many AAA titles are put out with that kind of budget anymore. Not to say that you can't make a great game for a LOT less, but dem video games 'spensive.
Wow. I'm not really in the know with Kickstarter, but a ship date of August 2014 seems long to me. Is that normal? I guess it makes sense if the game is still in the early stages.
$205 to get all 7 of the minis seems kind of steep though. I may just narrow it down to one and go with the cheaper option, or do $145 for 4 of them.
If you want bothversions of Sturgis, he actually works out to be the cheapest: $20 for the dual-use miniature, and $10 to add the parts to make a Cygnar version and a Cryx verison. So $30 for two.
Gearhead wrote: It seems like they're saying that extra sculpts can be added on to your pledge for $20 each, but I'm not seeing how to actually do that yet.
Just add another 20$ on your pledge and wait until the campagne is over to tell PP what exactly you want
RiTides wrote: JudgeShamgar- I believe Buzzsaw meant early bird / limited on kickstarter, not the reward itself... which is only $350 and above.
Yes the $350 level will give you LE stuff but if you check out this link PP makes it sound like any model will be LE with the molds destroyed after the KS is done. I'm not trying to argue just understand what you get for pledging at what level.
RoninXiC wrote: A year to develop a game is not long.. it's actually the opposite.
25$ for shipping a 20$ man-sized miniature is unfortunately .. pretty expensive :(
But, they've been designing for quite some time... which has occasionally appearedhere and there
RoninXiC wrote: A year to develop a game is not long.. it's actually the opposite.
25$ for shipping a 20$ man-sized miniature is unfortunately .. pretty expensive :(
But, they've been designing for quite some time... which has occasionally appearedhere and there
True.. but I guess they've only made it into the super early stage of development. They probably have some antimations, some models etc. but lack any kind of sounds, video, music, story line, campagne, net-code etc.
Their funding goal is only... "only"... $50,000 above what I was expecting it to be. Video games are 'spensive.
That said, it looks like you can get a digital copy of the game for $20, which is pretty sweet. And if I'm reading it right, for $40 you get the game + a limited edition journeyman sculpt of your choice.
..I've been watching the counter tick upwards, and they're almost at $100K after only about 30 minutes of being live. Not bad, Privateer Press. Not bad at all.
godswildcard wrote:Wow. I'm not really in the know with Kickstarter, but a ship date of August 2014 seems long to me. Is that normal? I guess it makes sense if the game is still in the early stages.
$205 to get all 7 of the minis seems kind of steep though. I may just narrow it down to one and go with the cheaper option, or do $145 for 4 of them.
$350 for the warchest. Wowzers!
You can get all 7 for $160 with the game, or $141 without the game. You just miss out on a lot of the digital stuff.
godswildcard wrote:Wow. I'm not really in the know with Kickstarter, but a ship date of August 2014 seems long to me. Is that normal? I guess it makes sense if the game is still in the early stages.
$205 to get all 7 of the minis seems kind of steep though. I may just narrow it down to one and go with the cheaper option, or do $145 for 4 of them.
$350 for the warchest. Wowzers!
You can get all 7 for $160 with the game, or $141 without the game. You just miss out on a lot of the digital stuff.
Nope, can't buy minis without the core game, so $160 minimum. Otherwise, I'd have bought just the minis. (Anyone want the game but not the minis? I'd be willing to kick in towards the game's price)
Id love to get in on this but i really only want the game and one mini. I just cant justify 25$ shipping for one miniaturr. I hope PP ends up fixing this because Id really like to support this
erratyk wrote: Id love to get in on this but i really only want the game and one mini. I just cant justify 25$ shipping for one miniaturr. I hope PP ends up fixing this because Id really like to support this
You can always pledge for the game now, and the mini when its released in its non-exclusive form.
Can't seem to find it but what material are the LE models made from? If it's actual resin I could easily see grabbing a few just for painting, (really like the Ret one). If it's metal I'm not so sure but it's still a possibility.
Hulksmash wrote: Can't seem to find it but what material are the LE models made from? If it's actual resin I could easily see grabbing a few just for painting, (really like the Ret one). If it's metal I'm not so sure but it's still a possibility.
I'm not completely sure, but it seems from a cursory reading that you are only allowed to get 1 of each of the LEs. ("Quantities are limited to one of each character per backer.")
It wouldn't surprise me if a chunk of the money for each mini goes to fund the game. So $10 for mini and $10 to the game development you could say. They are betting a lot of people would only go in on figures and this is the best way to get additional funds for development. Tap into the player base that would have skipped this.
Though looking at Elara, aqua hair and white and green weapons, all I can think of is.....
Platuan4th wrote: Currently in for the $205 level, will probably drop it down to the $20 level plus all the figures and the Dual set for Sturgis.
You save yourself $35 if you go that route opposed to pledging at the $205 level.
Yeah, I decided to lower it. I really don't care about all the extra e-bonii or Beta access. I may drop it $20 less, not really sure I care about the Ret Journeyman.
silent25 wrote: It wouldn't surprise me if a chunk of the money for each mini goes to fund the game. So $10 for mini and $10 to the game development you could say.
I'm only interested in the miniatures. So I could conceivably pledge at $1 and add on all the sculpts, but where does it mention shipping costs on the Kickstarter page?
well, that could be a while, since they have listed in at the bottom of the kickstarter page that they won't run another kickstarter until this one is finished and delivered
on a side note- i jumped in at the game plus 1 figure for now, and i might upgrade later for hte other couple figures i'm interested in
gohkm wrote: I'm only interested in the miniatures. So I could conceivably pledge at $1 and add on all the sculpts, but where does it mention shipping costs on the Kickstarter page?
Add-ons are available to any backer at the $20 New Recruit level or higher.
gohkm wrote: I'm only interested in the miniatures. So I could conceivably pledge at $1 and add on all the sculpts, but where does it mention shipping costs on the Kickstarter page?
Add-ons are available to any backer at the $20 New Recruit level or higher.
Yeah, this got me too. I was only interested in the pieces for my faction (2 Cygnar, 1 Merc) and thought I was going to get out of it at $61.00, but looks like I'm in at $80.00 and get the game to boot. Really wish those dice were a regular addon, I'm a sucker for dice but not at the $205 price tag to get them.
I'm not a big fan of war machine, I keep trying to enjoy it but usually never get anywhere, but man I really want some of those limited edition figures.
I must thank everyone at Privateer Press and WhiteMoon Dreams for their amazing effort and admirable excellence, and for tolerating my own obsessive determination to see this game come to life. And to you, our community of players, I thank you for the support you have given us thus far as we continue to expand the vision and the experience of WARMACHINE and the Iron Kingdoms.*
And now, our fate is in your hands. I just hope you want to play this game as much as I do!
Matt Wilson
*HORDES players, do not despair! When this thing takes off, you’re nex
Rotgut wrote: I'm not a big fan of war machine, I keep trying to enjoy it but usually never get anywhere, but man I really want some of those limited edition figures.
Same here but this game looks really good. So I am definitely in!
I must thank everyone at Privateer Press and WhiteMoon Dreams for their amazing effort and admirable excellence, and for tolerating my own obsessive determination to see this game come to life. And to you, our community of players, I thank you for the support you have given us thus far as we continue to expand the vision and the experience of WARMACHINE and the Iron Kingdoms.*
And now, our fate is in your hands. I just hope you want to play this game as much as I do!
Matt Wilson
*HORDES players, do not despair! When this thing takes off, you’re next
For the Hordes.
Where is this quote from!? I don't see it on the KS page...
I must thank everyone at Privateer Press and WhiteMoon Dreams for their amazing effort and admirable excellence, and for tolerating my own obsessive determination to see this game come to life. And to you, our community of players, I thank you for the support you have given us thus far as we continue to expand the vision and the experience of WARMACHINE and the Iron Kingdoms.*
And now, our fate is in your hands. I just hope you want to play this game as much as I do!
Matt Wilson
*HORDES players, do not despair! When this thing takes off, you’re nex
For the Hordes.
Exalt--For the Hordes! I want Pigs in--just so I can listen to their sound effects
/I may or may not play a pig squeal sound on my phone every time Carver takes damage on the tabletop
Has anyone checked out Sturgis' rules? He seems just brilliant.
Charge into infantry, make your attacks using nearly all of your focus (but not using your electroleapy blade because you want the enemies within 3" to still be alive), feat, kill off the majority of the squad that was between 2 and 6 inches away, teleport to safety with your last 2 FOC and then some of your warjacks have focus all of a sudden while you are hiding behind a wall/your jacks
I must thank everyone at Privateer Press and WhiteMoon Dreams for their amazing effort and admirable excellence, and for tolerating my own obsessive determination to see this game come to life. And to you, our community of players, I thank you for the support you have given us thus far as we continue to expand the vision and the experience of WARMACHINE and the Iron Kingdoms.*
And now, our fate is in your hands. I just hope you want to play this game as much as I do!
Matt Wilson
*HORDES players, do not despair! When this thing takes off, you’re next
For the Hordes.
Where is this quote from!? I don't see it on the KS page...
I have high hopes for some Hordes love, perhaps! The only thing making that less likely is the mention of playable Mercs as a faction at 1.2mil or somesuch... so Hordes goals may be farther out than that :-/
If they put them in, they get my money... must be true of a lot of other people, too.
If there was a miniatures only pledge, I would be much more interested. I want all the limited edition stuff, but I don't want a copy of a game I will not play. Plus 170 dollars is just too much for 8 models (includes the dual allegiance)
I would not be surprised if the retail versions of these models are cheaper than the kickstarter sculpts. That said, I think the coin and gold cards are a wonderful way to ensure authenticity in a world filled with recasters.
RiTides wrote: I have high hopes for some Hordes love, perhaps! The only thing making that less likely is the mention of playable Mercs as a faction at 1.2mil or somesuch... so Hordes goals may be farther out than that :-/
If they put them in, they get my money... must be true of a lot of other people, too.
I would imagine what their goal, and the successful funding of the stretch goals would mean in regards to Horde is that once the main part of the WM game is launched, with Cygnar, Khador, Cryx, and Menoth campaigns, and the Merc faction available in Multiplayer, that work in the Hordes game can begin. I don't think it'll end up even as a 1mil plus stretch goal for this campaign, but I could be surprised. Either way, if I had a Hordes faction, I'd rather see the WM game be extremely successful on it's own, so they can give the same treatment to the Hordes "expansion/addon/standalone" down the line, with limited edition sculpts and the like. Hopefully with much of the base game design already complete, and hopefully an obvious market, any Hordes venture wouldn't need 500k+ to fund.
Dais wrote: I would not be surprised if the retail versions of these models are cheaper than the kickstarter sculpts. That said, I think the coin and gold cards are a wonderful way to ensure authenticity in a world filled with recasters.
What does the coin or card have to do with the authenticity of a model?
And who is recasting Privateer stuff. Can't say I've ever seen it.
Dais wrote: I would not be surprised if the retail versions of these models are cheaper than the kickstarter sculpts. That said, I think the coin and gold cards are a wonderful way to ensure authenticity in a world filled with recasters.
What does the coin or card have to do with the authenticity of a model?
And who is recasting Privateer stuff. Can't say I've ever seen it.
I think because you can't recast the cards and coin the same as you can recast a limited edition model. Well maybe the coin, but the card would be a harder ask.
Wow, this thing is rocketing along. I'll have to look at getting in on it, though considering the cost of postage maybe I'll find some others to chip in to help spread that cost around.
Dais wrote: I would not be surprised if the retail versions of these models are cheaper than the kickstarter sculpts. That said, I think the coin and gold cards are a wonderful way to ensure authenticity in a world filled with recasters.
What does the coin or card have to do with the authenticity of a model?
And who is recasting Privateer stuff. Can't say I've ever seen it.
I think because you can't recast the cards and coin the same as you can recast a limited edition model. Well maybe the coin, but the card would be a harder ask.
If the coin is pre-coloured and numbered, it'll be pretty hard to recast still.
Assuming their coins are in any way similar to their league and release event prizes (which they will be, some looking very close to the old Mk I coin kits), just recasting them won't work particularly well, especially without stripping out the enamel first, then carefully enamelling the new product. And honestly, if you can do that, you're probably not making much of a profit here.
With that being said....that funding goal is awfully high.....
Actually, for a video game, that's rather low unless you're making a mobile game, THEN it would be high. If they started out with no money what so ever, you'd be looking at 1-3 million on average, depending on a few factors.
The fact we've seen fully rendered character models in an a completed environment with animations/effects in engine makes me think they already have partial funding for it, otherwise this wouldn't be as polished as it is. Sure, some of it's still smoke and mirrors but it's still quite solid. This kickstarter will fill the money gap and allow for a bunch of extras. Pretty good strategy.
With that being said....that funding goal is awfully high.....
Actually, for a video game, that's rather low unless you're making a mobile game, THEN it would be high. If they started out with no money what so ever, you'd be looking at 1-3 million on average, depending on a few factors.
The fact we've seen fully rendered character models in an a completed environment with animations/effects in engine makes me think they already have partial funding for it, otherwise this wouldn't be as polished as it is. Sure, some of it's still smoke and mirrors but it's still quite solid. This kickstarter will fill the money gap and allow for a bunch of extras. Pretty good strategy.
I think they'd been working on it for a couple of years with their own funding, they just needed the kickstarter to bring it home. Since the team was already assembled and working together, I feel more confident on this one than your average vaporware kickstarter.
With that being said....that funding goal is awfully high.....
Actually, for a video game, that's rather low unless you're making a mobile game, THEN it would be high. If they started out with no money what so ever, you'd be looking at 1-3 million on average, depending on a few factors.
The fact we've seen fully rendered character models in an a completed environment with animations/effects in engine makes me think they already have partial funding for it, otherwise this wouldn't be as polished as it is. Sure, some of it's still smoke and mirrors but it's still quite solid. This kickstarter will fill the money gap and allow for a bunch of extras. Pretty good strategy.
You're 100% correct. I sorta forgot it was for a video game ;-)
As to the coins: I couldn't care less about mine, and would happily trade them away for the journeyman or magus patch!
Plokoone wrote: "We can't afford to make the complete game. Give us money so that you can buy the full game."
How is this different from Day One DLC?
its more: "Publishers don't think this is an guaranteed hit game so they won't fund it, but we still want to make it. This is what it will take to finish it off, will you help us fund it instead?"
Plokoone wrote: "We can't afford to make the complete game. Give us money so that you can buy the full game."
How is this different from Day One DLC?
its more: "Publishers don't think this is an guaranteed hit game so they won't fund it, but we still want to make it. This is what it will take to finish it off, will you help us fund it instead?"
That's even more upsetting then. Privateer Press announced this game years ago. I thought they'd be more willing to fund it.
Plokoone wrote: "We can't afford to make the complete game. Give us money so that you can buy the full game."
How is this different from Day One DLC?
Because its only one charge? This is more the equivalent of a mutually beneficial pre-sale. They get guaranteed sales and up front capital, the more they raise, the more content that would be DLC gets packed into the release, benefitting you.
Plokoone wrote: "We can't afford to make the complete game. Give us money so that you can buy the full game."
How is this different from Day One DLC?
its more: "Publishers don't think this is an guaranteed hit game so they won't fund it, but we still want to make it. This is what it will take to finish it off, will you help us fund it instead?"
That's even more upsetting then. Privateer Press announced this game years ago. I thought they'd be more willing to fund it.
I doubt all of the footage of gameplay and models were done for free, and PP is not a video game publisher.
Plokoone wrote: "We can't afford to make the complete game. Give us money so that you can buy the full game."
How is this different from Day One DLC?
its more: "Publishers don't think this is an guaranteed hit game so they won't fund it, but we still want to make it. This is what it will take to finish it off, will you help us fund it instead?"
I like the various spins on the campaign. What about, "We want to fund this game, so how about you up your pledges for such *ahem* valuable rewards as paying to playtest our game, paying for re-skinned or de-skinned models, or getting a forum badge that says you bought our game?"
I wouldn't apply blind confidence... A quick bit of research tells you that White Moon Dream was founded in 2006, and has NO body of work.
It looks good, and i'm absolutely gonna give them the benefit of the doubt... but after the debacle that was War-Room, I don't trust Privateer to partner particularly wisely at all times. :-p
Seeing how quickly they got they got $450,000 they could easily pull in 3 mil. Wonder if they'll add hordes as a stretch goal. I might even back it and I don't like WM at all.
Update 2: Looks like they're putting Hordes creatures in the single player campaign if they fund today (bolded below).
Overwhelmed doesn’t begin to describe the feeling I’m experiencing as we’re closing in on our funding goal. The excitement at Privateer Press and WhiteMoon Dreams is palpable — not because of the little ticker going up in the corner of all our screens, but because of what that means: we’re going to make this game. It’s going to happen. I’ve never seen so many people so eager to work! Crossing our funding goal so early means we’ve got lots of time to work on stretch goals, and I know that’s on everyone’s minds. We all want to see as much of WARMACHINE in WARMACHINE: Tactics as we can, and the further we take this campaign, the more content and features we'll get into the game and the faster it will happen.
So I’m going to spoil a little of what we’ve got planned in our stretch goals: You already know that the number one goal is Cryx and Protectorate in multiplayer on launch day.
We’ve also got a slew of new characters from all the playable factions that will be revealed at intervals throughout the stretch goal ladder. I’m just going to say one word, and it only pertains to some of them, but…APOTHEOSIS.
We want to include a coloring system in the game so you can customize the look of your squad. And we think it’d be awesome if you could edit the maps in multiplayer.
Retribution as a playable faction is in our goals. Mercenaries are a playable faction in our goals. And Convergence…are you kidding me? It’s going to be a lofty goal with the complexity of that faction, but we’re salivating for them and if the momentum continues, we might just see that crazy machine cult sooner than later.
We want to fill this game out with fantastic cinematics, an orchestral score worthy of the setting’s epic scale, and we’ve got a bunch of multiplayer enhancements we want to include as well as a spectator mode and replay cam that we think would be amazing.
We’re in love with the idea of persistent damage appearing on the units through the course of a battle. We’ve got plans for single-player mission packs for more characters and factions.
And, I just got off the phone with Jay over at WhiteMoon Dreams — if we fund today (and it’s looking pretty good) we’re going to include a couple of HORDES creatures in the No Man’s Land single player campaign, which will mark our first step towards the future development of a HORDES: Tactics experience.
Again, thank you for your amazing support. To be this close to our goal so quickly is absolutely exhilarating. To see over 4,300 backers working together to push this project into the realm of reality is incredible! We are humbled, and overjoyed, and we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.
I'm not really a WM fan game wise. I keep thinking about getting in and then stop short due to lack of interest (mostly due to full ranges). That being said the renders of the LE models provided so far look fun to paint (though I'm not sure about $20 each fun) and the game could be something that gets me into WM finally so I'll likely back for at least the game and maybe a few of the LE's.
Plokoone wrote: "We can't afford to make the complete game. Give us money so that you can buy the full game."
How is this different from Day One DLC?
its more: "Publishers don't think this is an guaranteed hit game so they won't fund it, but we still want to make it. This is what it will take to finish it off, will you help us fund it instead?"
I like the various spins on the campaign. What about, "We want to fund this game, so how about you up your pledges for such *ahem* valuable rewards as paying to playtest our game, paying for re-skinned or de-skinned models, or getting a forum badge that says you bought our game?"
Clearly the market is fine with whichever way they decided to spin it. Stretch goals ahoy!
For whatever reason they decided to go KS is fine with me. $20 advanced order of the game is fine with me. If my moeny helps them get it done all the better. That's if I decide to back it.
I think its an interesting experiment. A minatures game company that's making their game into a video game. Some might look at it as direct competition with their tabletop game. Others might see it as another way to get people interested in their tabletop game or at least make some money off people who don't play tabletop games but play strategy video games. GW would never do anything like this though I hope it works out for WM.
If I do get the game it still wouldn't get me into playing their tabletop version. But at least they'll make some money off me, right?
Davespil wrote: For whatever reason they decided to go KS is fine with me. $20 advanced order of the game is fine with me. If my moeny helps them get it done all the better. That's if I decide to back it.
I think its an interesting experiment. A minatures game company that's making their game into a video game. Some might look at it as direct competition with their tabletop game. Others might see it as another way to get people interested in their tabletop game or at least make some money off people who don't play tabletop games but play strategy video games. GW would never do anything like this though I hope it works out for WM.
If I do get the game it still wouldn't get me into playing their tabletop version. But at least they'll make some money off me, right?
The video game to the tabletop is just as different as Dawn of War is to Warhammer 40k.
Update 2 via derek wrote:And, I just got off the phone with Jay over at WhiteMoon Dreams — if we fund today (and it’s looking pretty good) we’re going to include a couple of HORDES creatures in the No Man’s Land single player campaign, which will mark our first step towards the future development of a HORDES: Tactics experience.
I think I had that game... Or was it March of Chaos? I had some PC game based around the WH Fantasy.
Pretty sure it was battle march, but I'm not at home to check it. There were multiple ones, neither of which were all that good.
Back on topic, this game looks a little better than previous wargames brought to videogame format. Most struggle, and this one might, but I hope not. If they can pull of X-com level of fun, but with the Warmachine IP, I will be all over this. I spent too much time on X-com, and lord only knows I spend too much time on wargaming. A good combo of the two would be the ultimate time waste.
I think I had that game... Or was it March of Chaos? I had some PC game based around the WH Fantasy.
Pretty sure it was battle march, but I'm not at home to check it. There were multiple ones, neither of which were all that good.
Back on topic, this game looks a little better than previous wargames brought to videogame format. Most struggle, and this one might, but I hope not. If they can pull of X-com level of fun, but with the Warmachine IP, I will be all over this. I spent too much time on X-com, and lord only knows I spend too much time on wargaming. A good combo of the two would be the ultimate time waste.
Plus LE figs!
Turns out it's Warhammer - Mark of Chaos: Battle March
Davespil wrote: For whatever reason they decided to go KS is fine with me. $20 advanced order of the game is fine with me. If my moeny helps them get it done all the better. That's if I decide to back it.
I think its an interesting experiment. A minatures game company that's making their game into a video game. Some might look at it as direct competition with their tabletop game. Others might see it as another way to get people interested in their tabletop game or at least make some money off people who don't play tabletop games but play strategy video games. GW would never do anything like this though I hope it works out for WM.
If I do get the game it still wouldn't get me into playing their tabletop version. But at least they'll make some money off me, right?
The video game to the tabletop is just as different as Dawn of War is to Warhammer 40k.
From what I've seen it looks very close to the tabletop version. 1 player goes at a time and commands a small army. DoW was realtime and part 1 had you harvesting stuff and buying/upgrading units during the battles. I think this will be a lot closer to the tabletop WM game, honestly. You may not be able to make your army from scratch but you will get to command them like you do on the tabletop.
Davespil wrote: For whatever reason they decided to go KS is fine with me. $20 advanced order of the game is fine with me. If my moeny helps them get it done all the better. That's if I decide to back it.
I think its an interesting experiment. A minatures game company that's making their game into a video game. Some might look at it as direct competition with their tabletop game. Others might see it as another way to get people interested in their tabletop game or at least make some money off people who don't play tabletop games but play strategy video games. GW would never do anything like this though I hope it works out for WM.
If I do get the game it still wouldn't get me into playing their tabletop version. But at least they'll make some money off me, right?
The video game to the tabletop is just as different as Dawn of War is to Warhammer 40k.
Not really - being a turn-based strategy game it should be fairly faithful. That being said - Dawn of War is what sucked me into the hobby a few years ago. So I bet once the game is launched it will be a nice source of new players for PP for years to come.
I think I had that game... Or was it March of Chaos? I had some PC game based around the WH Fantasy.
Pretty sure it was battle march, but I'm not at home to check it. There were multiple ones, neither of which were all that good.
Back on topic, this game looks a little better than previous wargames brought to videogame format. Most struggle, and this one might, but I hope not. If they can pull of X-com level of fun, but with the Warmachine IP, I will be all over this. I spent too much time on X-com, and lord only knows I spend too much time on wargaming. A good combo of the two would be the ultimate time waste.
Plus LE figs!
Turns out it's Warhammer - Mark of Chaos: Battle March
Now that you mention it, you are correct. Good job, sir.
Davespil wrote: For whatever reason they decided to go KS is fine with me. $20 advanced order of the game is fine with me. If my moeny helps them get it done all the better. That's if I decide to back it.
I think its an interesting experiment. A minatures game company that's making their game into a video game. Some might look at it as direct competition with their tabletop game. Others might see it as another way to get people interested in their tabletop game or at least make some money off people who don't play tabletop games but play strategy video games. GW would never do anything like this though I hope it works out for WM.
If I do get the game it still wouldn't get me into playing their tabletop version. But at least they'll make some money off me, right?
The video game to the tabletop is just as different as Dawn of War is to Warhammer 40k.
From what I've seen it looks very close to the tabletop version. 1 player goes at a time and commands a small army. DoW was realtime and part 1 had you harvesting stuff and buying/upgrading units during the battles. I think this will be a lot closer to the tabletop WM game, honestly. You may not be able to make your army from scratch but you will get to command them like you do on the tabletop.
Close, but not quite. It's looking like a Warcaster, 2-3 Jack battlegroup and a small 3-4 man(perhaps a little more) squad, at least for the campaign. I'm sure we'll get options for a slightly larger band in multiplayer.
That said, it'll still be an approximation considering that 1 box infantry has 15 boxes per man and does 2-3 damage a shot.
Davespil wrote: For whatever reason they decided to go KS is fine with me. $20 advanced order of the game is fine with me. If my moeny helps them get it done all the better. That's if I decide to back it.
I think its an interesting experiment. A minatures game company that's making their game into a video game. Some might look at it as direct competition with their tabletop game. Others might see it as another way to get people interested in their tabletop game or at least make some money off people who don't play tabletop games but play strategy video games. GW would never do anything like this though I hope it works out for WM.
If I do get the game it still wouldn't get me into playing their tabletop version. But at least they'll make some money off me, right?
The video game to the tabletop is just as different as Dawn of War is to Warhammer 40k.
From what I've seen it looks very close to the tabletop version. 1 player goes at a time and commands a small army. DoW was realtime and part 1 had you harvesting stuff and buying/upgrading units during the battles. I think this will be a lot closer to the tabletop WM game, honestly. You may not be able to make your army from scratch but you will get to command them like you do on the tabletop.
Close, but not quite. It's looking like a Warcaster, 2-3 Jack battlegroup and a small 3-4 man(perhaps a little more) squad, at least for the campaign. I'm sure we'll get options for a slightly larger band in multiplayer.
That said, it'll still be an approximation considering that 1 box infantry has 15 boxes per man and does 2-3 damage a shot.
Pretty much what I said. Might be a bit smaller or larger than normal games but it plays like the tabletop. I like that idea.
Davespil wrote: For whatever reason they decided to go KS is fine with me. $20 advanced order of the game is fine with me. If my moeny helps them get it done all the better. That's if I decide to back it.
I think its an interesting experiment. A minatures game company that's making their game into a video game. Some might look at it as direct competition with their tabletop game. Others might see it as another way to get people interested in their tabletop game or at least make some money off people who don't play tabletop games but play strategy video games. GW would never do anything like this though I hope it works out for WM.
If I do get the game it still wouldn't get me into playing their tabletop version. But at least they'll make some money off me, right?
The video game to the tabletop is just as different as Dawn of War is to Warhammer 40k.
From what I've seen it looks very close to the tabletop version. 1 player goes at a time and commands a small army. DoW was realtime and part 1 had you harvesting stuff and buying/upgrading units during the battles. I think this will be a lot closer to the tabletop WM game, honestly. You may not be able to make your army from scratch but you will get to command them like you do on the tabletop.
The scale of this and the table-top game are not really alike at all.
If I had a video-game, albeit turn-based with five Space Marines versus six Orcs would you say its "just like WH40k!!!"? No.
Davespil wrote: For whatever reason they decided to go KS is fine with me. $20 advanced order of the game is fine with me. If my moeny helps them get it done all the better. That's if I decide to back it.
I think its an interesting experiment. A minatures game company that's making their game into a video game. Some might look at it as direct competition with their tabletop game. Others might see it as another way to get people interested in their tabletop game or at least make some money off people who don't play tabletop games but play strategy video games. GW would never do anything like this though I hope it works out for WM.
If I do get the game it still wouldn't get me into playing their tabletop version. But at least they'll make some money off me, right?
The video game to the tabletop is just as different as Dawn of War is to Warhammer 40k.
From what I've seen it looks very close to the tabletop version. 1 player goes at a time and commands a small army. DoW was realtime and part 1 had you harvesting stuff and buying/upgrading units during the battles. I think this will be a lot closer to the tabletop WM game, honestly. You may not be able to make your army from scratch but you will get to command them like you do on the tabletop.
The scale of this and the table-top game are not really alike at all.
If I had a video-game, albeit turn-based with five Space Marines versus six Orcs would you say its "just like WH40k!!!"? No.
Update #3 with an FAQ. Glad they again clarified that the KS is the official release for the models, and that they're tournament legal the moment they're in backer hands.
FAQ — July 11, 2013
How much of the game is actually done and how will the budget be used?
We have built core gameplay systems and actually have the basic gameplay up and running. We are continuing to build more of the gameplay systems, networking, and content necessary for the full game.
How will the game be distributed? Will it be on Steam?
Once we submit and are approved by Greenlight, we will be distributing through Steam. We will also distribute through other platforms, which we will announce as they are confirmed.
How does platform-specific DRM work?
Every platform has a difference stance on DRM and a different way they integrate it if they require it. We will not write any DRM into the core software unless a particular platform needs it there in order for us to get the game to you through that platform. That being said, platforms like Steam have very elegant versions of DRM that are completely invisible to the player. Just start the game and play!
What are the system requirements for the game?
Our current target specs are:
• Windows XP SP3 (32-bit) or Mac OSX 10.6.8
• 2.0+ GHz processor
• 2 GB system RAM
• A graphics card with shader model 3.0 support
What are the plans for mobile and console support? What about the Ouya?
We're currently focused on PC and Mac. But we've built the interface to work on any platform so that should the opportunity arise, we'll be ready to port without starting from scratch. And you can bet we'll be looking for more platform opportunities!
Will there be a Linux version of the game?
Currently we do not have plans for a Linux version, but we're researching it right now.
How is WARMACHINE: Tactics different from the WARMACHINE tabletop game?
The video game will be familiar to WARMACHINE players and at the same time is going to provide a whole new experience. The scope is different, a few more options for squad-building open up as units gain experience, and you can take more complex actions in combat. We’ll be rolling out a slew of videos and postings in the coming weeks that will demonstrate many of the unique features of WARMACHINE: Tactics with explanations straight from the design team.
What are the plans for HORDES?
Our ambition is to realize as much of the Iron Kingdoms as possible. If we blow this thing away, we’ll be moving on to HORDES as soon as we are able to.
What are the plans for the Retribution of Scyrah and the Convergence of Cyriss?
We are planning to introduce Retribution of Scyrah into the game. Reaching certain stretch goals (to be revealed soon) will get them here much sooner! Same goes for Convergence, although their unique game mechanics mean they will require more time and effort to include.
How do I get both versions of Sturgis?
The limited-edition sculpt of Sturgis (with gold card and collector’s coin) can be obtained by selecting Sturgis through any pledge level with a physical reward OR as an Add-On for $20 to any pledge at the New Recruit level or higher.
If you want to make both versions of Sturgis, just increase your pledge by $10 and when the campaign ends and you receive your backer survey by email select the Dual Allegiance Add-On.
Will the novice warcasters and Sturgis be available after the Kickstarter?
The novice warcasters will release as different, unlimited sculpts several months after the exclusive limited-edition sculpts have been delivered to our backers. Sturgis will eventually see a general unlimited release as a different sculpt as well, with a release date TBD.
Can I pledge using PayPal?
We are currently exploring PayPal as an alternate payment method. We’ll let you know when and if we make it available.
Can I purchase add-ons without pledging for the video game itself?
No. To be eligible for add-ons you must pledge at the $20 New Recruit level or higher.
Why is international shipping so expensive?
Unfortunately, we must list one rate to cover all possible shipping locations in the world, which of course defaults to the highest.
However, we're working furiously to sort out some different international shipping options that we hope will reduce shipping costs. Watch our FAQ and updates for more info soon!
Why do I have to pledge $25 to get the digital game manual?
The digital game manual is an added benefit for the increased pledge over the normal game, along with the forum badge. The manual itself is something of an art project with a great deal of additional art, writing, and graphic design work that goes into it. It’s designed for enthusiasts but of course is not needed to play the game. The game will be built with in-game tutorials to teach you how to play. The addition of a digital game manual is a very standard offering among digitally distributed video games today.
How many limited-edition sculpts can I get?
The sculpts are limited to one of each character, per backer. However, as an Add-On, you can obtain the parts necessary to assemble Sturgis in both his Cygnar and Cryx forms.
We have limited the sculpts because they are intended as exclusive rewards for the backers of WARMACHINE: Tactics. While we realize this may seem like we’re also limiting the potential income for the project, it’s important to us that we honor our backers by maintaining the exclusivity of these rewards; we do not want to undermine their prestige by flooding the community with them. We’re not here to sell miniatures—we already do that pretty well—we’re here to bring the support of our community together so we can create an amazing new kind of WARMACHINE experience. We hope you’ll support this decision to maintain the spirit of Kickstarter by this choice.
Will sculpts of all the models be previewed before the Kickstarter campaign ends?
We are doing our best to provide 3D models of all these models as soon as possible, but we can’t say just when we will be able to show them. We’ll reveal each one as soon as it’s done.
Do WARMACHINE models like the novice warcasters and Commander Sturgis come pre-painted and assembled?
No. They are hobby figures that must be assembled and painted (which is half the fun if you ask us!).
Will the Kickstarter-exclusive limited-edition sculpt models be tournament legal when they release?
That's the nice thing about turn-based games. They really don't need allot of hardware to play games.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Thanks to our partners at Cerberus in the UK, we've worked out a plan to ship the limited edition sculpts at a greatly reduced price. And because the items will be shipping from Cerberus in the UK, you won't have additional customs charges either.
NOTE: The shipping cost of the War Chest and Warcaster Portrait, has not changed. This is only for the limited-edition sculpts with card and coin.
How this works: When you pledge, you'll be prompted to add a $25 shipping charge to your pledge. Instead, add the following amounts depending on your territory and number of figures you are going to receive via your pledge or as Add Ons:
Note, because we'll be freighting everything to Cerberus, this may make delivery slightly later than expected domestically, but our hope is that the savings will make pledging for the limited-edition sculpts more palatable!
And thank you to our partners at Cerberus for throwing in and helping us to get this done! Many, many thanks!
Chongara wrote: Stretch goal is +100k to hire 2 Artists and 1 Designer. Just another reminder to not go into the video game industry for money kids.
Or the table gaming industry, or animation, or comics...
You literally just listed my resume'. :-p
To whomever said, doing what you love adds invisible value, they're absolutely right. While on a job, be it a screenplay a video-game, graphic novel.... I've never felt like I was "working". Its the finding projects and downtime in between which feels oppressive.
Thanks to our partners at Cerberus in the UK, we've worked out a plan to ship the limited edition sculpts at a greatly reduced price. And because the items will be shipping from Cerberus in the UK, you won't have additional customs charges either.
NOTE: The shipping cost of the War Chest and Warcaster Portrait, has not changed. This is only for the limited-edition sculpts with card and coin.
How this works: When you pledge, you'll be prompted to add a $25 shipping charge to your pledge. Instead, add the following amounts depending on your territory and number of figures you are going to receive via your pledge or as Add Ons:
Note, because we'll be freighting everything to Cerberus, this may make delivery slightly later than expected domestically, but our hope is that the savings will make pledging for the limited-edition sculpts more palatable!
And thank you to our partners at Cerberus for throwing in and helping us to get this done! Many, many thanks!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Update for Canadians!
For Canadian backers, we have managed to work out some better shipping options as well!
NOTE: The shipping cost of the War Chest and Warcaster Portrait, has not changed. This is only for the limited-edition sculpts with card and coin.
How this works: When you pledge, you'll be prompted to add a $25 shipping charge to your pledge. Instead, add the following amount depending on the number of figures you are going to receive via your pledge or as Add Ons:
They should have used "This is great news!" instead of just good news in the titles of update #4 and #5 for the shipping changes, it would have got some good laughs. And now that UK, Canada, and the EU have more manageable shipping options, I hope all the people that said they'd have stepped up if not for the $25.00 shipping will follow through and get it the the last 25k to fund.
Well I tried to back, but amazon keeps declining my card, so kickstarter is dropping my pledge. Only happens with Warmachine: Tactics. Pledged just fine to another one.
And the trollblood action is going to be something along the lines of a troll or two in the story I hope, rather than them as a whole faction. I'd much rather a second kickstarter than I can spend another bunch of money on and get the sculpts, than a rushed addition of hordes to this game and a possible lack of sculpts.
Still $25 to get a single model to Australia (even though the rest of the pledge can just be digital content). This is not an incentive on top of the usual release delays here in Oz.
Somebody please clarify this for me - I can purchase all 7 exclusive sculpts for $140, plus $10 for the dual Sturgis configuration. Plus $25 for the game, plus $25 for shipping to Oz?
gohkm wrote: Somebody please clarify this for me - I can purchase all 7 exclusive sculpts for $140, plus $10 for the dual Sturgis configuration. Plus $25 for the game, plus $25 for shipping to Oz?
So my total investment winds up $200?
Close -
$40 pledge (game + Exclusive)
$120 (6 more exclusive x$20)
$10 (dual kit bits for the Warcaster)
$25 Aussie shipping
Update 6: Hordes appearances in the single player campaign!
This game is about to get real!
In under 35 hours, over 5,100 individuals have gathered to successfully fund the WARMACHINE: Tactics Kickstarter, which means about a year from now, we’re all going to be playing this game together.
Wow!
I’m stunned. This has been a wild two days. We simply could never have expected such an incredible turn out of support. We have so much to thank our existing community for— you have been the rocket engine that sent this project into orbit! And we’re ecstatic to see so many new people backing WARMACHINE: Tactics after just hearing about WARMACHINE for the first time!
This is all moving so quickly that I personally haven’t had time to catch my breath. Creating WARMACHINE as a video game has been a dream since the tabletop game was originally conceived, and to know that we are actually going to do it has my mind absolutely spinning over what lies before us in the coming year. My appreciation and adoration for every person who has placed their confidence in us is boundless.
On behalf of Privateer Press and WhiteMoon Dreams, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you, our amazing backers. Thank you Kickstarter for creating this opportunity for independent creators. Thank you everyone who has endorsed us and helped to spread the word. We cannot wait to honor your support by bringing you the most amazing WARMACHINE experience possible.
Did I mention we’re only on Day 2?
This is where things really get fun…
We have 28 more days left in this campaign, and WARMACHINE: Tactics has unbelievable momentum as awareness for this project continues to snowball. If we can reach the $650,000 mark, we’re adding two entire playable factions to the game in multiplayer — Cryx and The Protectorate of Menoth. After that, we plunge into a quartet of mystery mercenary characters that I know you’re going to be thrilled to see in the game. And right around the corner is a custom coloring system for your squad, some spectacular unique warjacks, and a whole new single-player experience that will let you play two more factions, solo. Then down the road, we’ve got Retribution, Convergence…
It’s because of you that we’ve made it this far and we thank you for this magnificent show of support. There is so much this game can be, let’s keep it going. Tweet it, Facebook it, tell anyone you think has even the slightest appreciation for metal on metal mayhem, and nothing is going to slow this project down.
We have done this as a community. And as a community, we are unstoppable.
With eternal thanks,
Matt Wilson
P.S. HORDES appearance in the single-player campaign? Oh yeah. It’s happening!
gohkm wrote: Somebody please clarify this for me - I can purchase all 7 exclusive sculpts for $140, plus $10 for the dual Sturgis configuration. Plus $25 for the game, plus $25 for shipping to Oz?
So my total investment winds up $200?
Close -
$40 pledge (game + Exclusive)
$120 (6 more exclusive x$20)
$10 (dual kit bits for the Warcaster)
$25 Aussie shipping
=$195 total.
Thanks. I'll get in on the $205 pledge level then. Cheers!
I don't know if that's worth it, I'll have to think about it.
Then again, nobody said I'd have to get them all.
This project is for the VIDEO GAME. It's not about the models.
That may be so, but I reckon for some folks, the video game is secondary to the models - especially if they're nice models.
PP may have got this one just right - the video game appeals to some, the models appeal to others.
Something for everyone!
I'm quite firmly in the models camp - the video is a nice distraction, though. It will likely join my Steam collection of video games, which will likely remain untouched until I'm retired .
I don't know if that's worth it, I'll have to think about it.
Then again, nobody said I'd have to get them all.
This project is for the VIDEO GAME. It's not about the models.
SUUUUURE it is.
Actually, it is. That's why they require you to back the $20 game pledge before allowing you to purchase the models.
Or, you could just read any of the threads on the official board where they say the same thing Ronin did every time someone asks why they have to back the game to get the models.
I don't know if that's worth it, I'll have to think about it.
Then again, nobody said I'd have to get them all.
This project is for the VIDEO GAME. It's not about the models.
SUUUUURE it is.
Actually, it is. That's why they require you to back the $20 game pledge before allowing you to purchase the models.
Or, you could just read any of the threads on the official board where they say the same thing Ronin did every time someone asks why they have to back the game to get the models.
I hear what you're sayin, brah, but please. The thing wouldn't be funded if they didn't have the models in there as dangling carrots.
They require you to back the $20 game (which is absurdly low by industry pricing standards...) because thats what they're "funding" and its required that the money from the pledges go towards the product that is being funded, per Kickstarter.
But yeah. Let's not pretend the exclusive models don't have a large part in the funding of the game.
I hear what you're sayin, brah, but please. The thing wouldn't be funded if they didn't have the models in there as dangling carrots.
They require you to back the $20 game (which is absurdly low by industry pricing standards...) because thats what they're "funding" and its required that the money from the pledges go towards the product that is being funded, per Kickstarter.
But yeah. Let's not pretend the exclusive models don't have a large part in the funding of the game.
First claim: You don't know that. Besides it is IRRELEVANT. The goal of this project is to get enough money to PUBLISH THE GAME.
Second claim: $20 is a medium amount. Warmachine is not going to be a tripple A Call of Duty Game, nor is it a tiny indie game. It's something in the middle and middleranged product usually cost.. something in the middle. Besides this might not actually be the final price! Plus you don't get any kind of CD, DVD, Box, manual etc. Just a download link.
Third claim: That is not the same as saying "this project is all about the miniatures". They are a means, a tool to get to the funding of the video game.
First claim: You don't know that. Besides it is IRRELEVANT. The goal of this project is to get enough money to PUBLISH THE GAME.
Well, point of fact, yes we do.
The amount of funding that includes the GAME ONLY is a whopping $67K
The amount of funding that includes the GAME and just ONE Mini (like many collectors editions) is jus shy of $100K
So, for people that are "primarily" in it for the PC game, it's a reasonable conclusion that the funding level amounts to, oh, Just over $167K
Additionally, if you ONLY account for pledge levels, the funding is at $515K. That means there is roughly $80K allocated for "extras." What are extras in this instance? Miniatures.
So, I'm sorry, Yes we can ascertain that the game wouldn't be funded if not for the miniatures, you know, since any pledge level that includes more than 1 mini means the backer is paying more for minis than this game.
Second claim: $20 is a medium amount. Warmachine is not going to be a tripple A Call of Duty Game, nor is it a tiny indie game. It's something in the middle and middleranged product usually cost.. something in the middle. Besides this might not actually be the final price! Plus you don't get any kind of CD, DVD, Box, manual etc. Just a download link.
We'll have to agree to disagree here. AAA titles sell for $60 USD. New indie titles sell for $30-40 in the US. $20 is what the AAA tablet titles like X-Com sell for. IMO it's low for a PC game and costs the same as one of the exclusive miniatures.
Third claim: That is not the same as saying "this project is all about the miniatures". They are a means, a tool to get to the funding of the video game.
And I never said the project was "all about the miniatures." I said the project wouldn't be funded right now if not for the included miniatures. And I'll hold to that claim
Anyway, I'm very excited about the inclusion of Hordes in the single player campaign . Haven't pledged yet, but it makes me hopeful for more Hordes inclusion in further stretch goals... maybe even a trollbloods miniature
RiTides wrote: Anyway, I'm very excited about the inclusion of Hordes in the single player campaign . Haven't pledged yet, but it makes me hopeful for more Hordes inclusion in further stretch goals... maybe even a trollbloods miniature
I certainly wouldn't complain about that.
I'm presently slated for the $40 for my Cygnar duder, with maybe an added $20 for the Merc dude.
I actually really like the Retribution model, but getting models for another army that I don't already own is a slippery slope to spending money. I already sent my letter of thanks to Privateer for discouraging me from buying Cyriss because of all the lazily designed Vectors, despite how much I like some of the troops/casters, so I don't need to be pushed toward some Khador or Retribution here
Is there any precedent for a "journeyman" style model in any of the hordes armies? I know the trolls have the krielstone which can store fury and Skorne has something similar as a solo (the ugly little frog thing, right?). Hmm...
There are the various character Warlock Minions with the one character Heavy Beast, Wrongeye and Snapjaw, Rorche and Brine, ect. Legion also just got a Lesser Warlock, but she's only allowed to take Lesser Warbeasts.
cincydooley wrote: Is there any precedent for a "journeyman" style model in any of the hordes armies? I know the trolls have the krielstone which can store fury and Skorne has something similar as a solo (the ugly little frog thing, right?). Hmm...
Legion is going to have the Beast Mistress in a couple of months. She is for all intents and purposes a journeyman warlock equal in every aspect to these.
cincydooley wrote: Is there any precedent for a "journeyman" style model in any of the hordes armies? I know the trolls have the krielstone which can store fury and Skorne has something similar as a solo (the ugly little frog thing, right?). Hmm...
Legion is going to have the Beast Mistress in a couple of months. She is for all intents and purposes a journeyman warlock equal in every aspect to these.
Except that she can only have the Lesser Warbeasts, where these can have anything.
Boomhowler! All bets go to the house! After that reveal, it's a safe bet that the last two are Reinholdt and Herne & Jonne. That would mean all the Prime mercenaries.
Alright, new stretch goals! So, new goal is $1.01 million for the Protectorate Campaign! Oh yeah, and Khador.... but Protectorate Campaign Yeaaaaahhhh!
Laughing Man wrote: Boomhowler! All bets go to the house! After that reveal, it's a safe bet that the last two are Reinholdt and Herne & Jonne. That would mean all the Prime mercenaries.
They've already said something about the last being a battlegroup for multiplayer, just not which Caster.
Edit: Trying to find the quote.
Edit2: Can't seem to find it, could be wrong about when they said they'd include it.
We're about to be getting into the slow grind portion of the kickstarter, but hopefully we can push it up to the Protectorate campaign within a week. Hopefully they'll come out with a few more addons - some Art Prints or a folding map of Immoren would probably attract a few more dollars
Hulksmash wrote: Dice as an add-on would increase their total. Easily.
Yep, no idea why they decided to put them only as part of the most expensive packages instead of just making them an addon. I'd add another $10 for a set of those dice.
Hulksmash wrote: Dice as an add-on would increase their total. Easily.
Yep, no idea why they decided to put them only as part of the most expensive packages instead of just making them an addon. I'd add another $10 for a set of those dice.
I don't know how I feel about all these mercs. On one hand, I like mercs just as much as the next guy. On the other hand, if they haven't included the character jacks from Apotheosis, what else have they left out of the in game factions? What other units could these stretch goals be filling the place of as opposed to, say, Gorman. Do I have to miss out on Long Gunners for him? ATGM? The Minuteman? Avenger?
I just hope the factions are complete already, and these mercs are just icing, but the fact that there are units which are iconic of each faction as a stretch goal in the distance makes me worried about just how much choice we'll have in the game from our actual factions.
motyak wrote: I don't know how I feel about all these mercs. On one hand, I like mercs just as much as the next guy. On the other hand, if they haven't included the character jacks from Apotheosis, what else have they left out of the in game factions? What other units could these stretch goals be filling the place of as opposed to, say, Gorman. Do I have to miss out on Long Gunners for him? ATGM? The Minuteman? Avenger?
I just hope the factions are complete already, and these mercs are just icing, but the fact that there are units which are iconic of each faction as a stretch goal in the distance makes me worried about just how much choice we'll have in the game from our actual factions.
I'd expect that the factions will include at the bare minimum the entirety of Prime at launch. IIRC, we've already seen a shot of a Centurion, so it's not a stretch to guess that the various Escalation models (especially the Warjacks of Renown) will probably make it into the game. Honestly, that gives a pretty good base of units for every faction, especially since they've basically stated your infantry will basically all function like solos, being highly elite for their type and bought individually during the army building stage.
motyak wrote: I don't know how I feel about all these mercs. On one hand, I like mercs just as much as the next guy. On the other hand, if they haven't included the character jacks from Apotheosis, what else have they left out of the in game factions? What other units could these stretch goals be filling the place of as opposed to, say, Gorman. Do I have to miss out on Long Gunners for him? ATGM? The Minuteman? Avenger?
I just hope the factions are complete already, and these mercs are just icing, but the fact that there are units which are iconic of each faction as a stretch goal in the distance makes me worried about just how much choice we'll have in the game from our actual factions.
Well, we know they *want* to make everything, but that's obviously overly ambitious of course, and I think they'll just try to get as much as possible in the time/budget given. I think we can guarantee the Prime stuff in each faction, with possibly a few iconic options from the Faction book stuff. If you think about it, that's still quite a few options and most games of this sort don't have that many more options than that. The Mercs at least work for several different factions, so in that regard they're an efficient way to get extra options to each faction. Plus, they have a fair bit of personality, and I could definitely see them being used in some of the campaign missions.
Hulksmash wrote: Dice as an add-on would increase their total. Easily.
Yep, no idea why they decided to put them only as part of the most expensive packages instead of just making them an addon. I'd add another $10 for a set of those dice.
It is a bit odd. Also puzzles me as to why you only get 4 of them when all the faction specific dice sell as 6 packs.
motyak wrote: I don't know how I feel about all these mercs. On one hand, I like mercs just as much as the next guy. On the other hand, if they haven't included the character jacks from Apotheosis, what else have they left out of the in game factions? What other units could these stretch goals be filling the place of as opposed to, say, Gorman. Do I have to miss out on Long Gunners for him? ATGM? The Minuteman? Avenger?
I just hope the factions are complete already, and these mercs are just icing, but the fact that there are units which are iconic of each faction as a stretch goal in the distance makes me worried about just how much choice we'll have in the game from our actual factions.
I'd expect that the factions will include at the bare minimum the entirety of Prime at launch. IIRC, we've already seen a shot of a Centurion, so it's not a stretch to guess that the various Escalation models (especially the Warjacks of Renown) will probably make it into the game. Honestly, that gives a pretty good base of units for every faction, especially since they've basically stated your infantry will basically all function like solos, being highly elite for their type and bought individually during the army building stage.
Matt Wilson and a few of the head guys from Whitemoon Dreams did a Q&A over twitch the other day. They said they would have roughly 3 warcasters, 4 warjacks, and 5 warriors per faction. It might not be the Prime models exactly, but it is about the same amount of options as found in Prime. One of those warcasters (per faction) is going to be that faction's new novice warcaster, so we will NOT see all the Prime casters right away.
Kanluwen wrote: Have they done a kind of "Buy One Copy, Get a Second Copy for a Friend" deal?
That would get a friend of mine pledging apparently.
Yeah one of the add ons is an additional game, instead of having to pledge yourself, but I don't know if it is discounted or not. It may be more so you can get a big pledge or something for yourself and get an extra copy while you are there for a friend.
edit: yep, $20 for an additional copy, so no discount I think. You know, unless you are Australian and then that is a full $80 less than you would expect to pay on release day here. So it depends if your mate wanted to be able to buy one get one free, or discounted, or just get 2 with 1 pledge. Hope that helped
Kanluwen wrote: Have they done a kind of "Buy One Copy, Get a Second Copy for a Friend" deal?
That would get a friend of mine pledging apparently.
Yeah one of the add ons is an additional game, instead of having to pledge yourself, but I don't know if it is discounted or not. It may be more so you can get a big pledge or something for yourself and get an extra copy while you are there for a friend.
Since I'm jumping in with a friend of mine to save on shipping, I'm having him throw in a second copy of the game for me at the same time.
Edit: Also, we're now just $2000 from getting the next stretch goal - an in game color customisation system. That's nice enough for the game, but I think it might really be sweet to let us see how alternate color schemes might look on our actual minis. I assume it won't be a full painting system, of course, just something like "choose main colour, trim color 1, trim color 2 and metal/joint color", but it could still be nice to see how certain colors work before you start painting for real.
Kanluwen wrote: Have they done a kind of "Buy One Copy, Get a Second Copy for a Friend" deal?
That would get a friend of mine pledging apparently.
Yeah one of the add ons is an additional game, instead of having to pledge yourself, but I don't know if it is discounted or not. It may be more so you can get a big pledge or something for yourself and get an extra copy while you are there for a friend.
Since I'm jumping in with a friend of mine to save on shipping, I'm having him throw in a second copy of the game for me at the same time.
Good point, it works out well for friends who only wanted certain journeyman models, as well as a game, because it can save on shipping while you still get your models & the game.
Wondering, how extensive will the army painter be, and how much customisation will there be?
Will it be like DoW, where you could basically choose 4 colours and one of a number of pre-set banners? Or will it be more extensive - perhaps each part of the model being selectable for colouring, thus allowing complete customisation? Problem being that it could take forever to do - but thats what presets are for, no?
@Bill Schneider - yeah, our original plan was more along the lines of DoW, but because you guys are so incredible, our plan now is expose the modification of shader parameters, coloring regions of characters at a time and applying color washes for that subtle (or not subtle) hint of color that makes minis so gorgeous!
@Jay Koottarappallil - So with the change in approach (aasuming the goal is met) what are the implications of that for those who opted for a reward level that gives them 'alternate company skins'?
Under the original plan, those would have been truly a different thing again, but since coloring options are about to expand from a choice of 2-3 set schemes to anything under the sun (hyperbolically), is there now some plan in the works to replace that reward with something else?
@TKC - while you'll have a lot of control over coloring of the character, its still a lot different from the detail we put on characters when we do all the custom maps for variants using our dev tools.
My menoth army has 3 main colours - Black, Red and White - each 'faction' of the army has a different main colour of the 3. My exemplars are Black, with red and white, Flameguard Red with black and white, and the rest White with black and red.
Is this level of individuality for the models being looked at for the painter, or will, like DoW, you be only able to affect the army scheme as a whole (even if in more detail than DoW)?
@Chris Doherty - with WARMACHINE Tactics, you'll be constructing squads that may not always have matching units (mercs!), so it makes more sense to do this per character instead of per squad.
Custom Color System — UNLOCKED!
Update #11 · Jul 15, 2013 · 17 comments
Our amazing community of backers has grown to over 8,100 strong and your support has pushed WARMACHINE: Tactics past our $760,000 stretch goal threshold. This momentous event unlocks a fantastic feature that we have hoped since the beginning to include in the game — a custom coloring system that will let you tailor the look of your squad to your own color tastes.
We are deeply grateful for your continued support and for all the sharing and promoting of WARMACHINE: Tactics that you have done as a community. The speed at which our community is growing shows how quickly word is spreading. Many, many thanks for backing WARMACHINE: Tactics and helping to maximize this game's potential!
Hitting the next stretch goal will open up the four character warjacks of Apotheosis! If you're new to WARMACHINE, you should know that these incredible jacks are each entirely unique characters in the setting and have ridiculously awesome powers and abilities unmatched by any standard warjack. For Cygnar comest the THUNDERHEAD. Infused with the power of a lightning storm, this 'jack is capable of emitting a devastating electrical pulse, shocking all enemies nearby. For Khador comes the BEHEMOTH, with dual bombards and nearly impenetrable armor. The Protectorate acquires the AVATAR, a divinely controlled warjack that requires no controller to execute The Creator's will. And Cryx will unleash the terrifying DEATHJACK, an infernal machine that grows more powerful with each soul it consumes!
These new character warjacks aren't just going to be amazing in multi-player, though. These are characters we'll integrate into the single player experience. Whether playing AI skirmish mode, the longer campaigns or the mission packs, every new character we unlock becomes an asset that builds out the single-player experience as well.
And to make this stretch goal even sweeter, we've attached a Bonus Mystery Add-On that will be revealed when we unlock the goal!
As long as we're talking characters, though, I want to direct your attention to the bottom of the stretch goal ladder where a new goal has been revealed! These are the four great warcasters of Apotheosis. These aren't common warcasters, every one of them is huge in scale, from Cryx's towering winged giant, TERMINUS, to KARCHEV, a Khadoran warcaster who had his war-torn body attached to a massive custom built warjack chassis so he could continue to fight for the Motherland. Then there's DARIUS, whose armor is practically a walking tank and can deploy a pack of small 'half-jacks' that can repair his own jacks or burrow into the ground to become deadly mines. Perhaps most impressive is the HARBINGER of MENOTH, a young prophet whose divinity holds her aloft in the air, requiring a trio of acolytes to tether her to the ground so that she can wield her god-touched blade, Providence, against the enemies of her nation. Each of these warcaster is massive in scale and complex in design, with powers and abilities to match. If we can get all the way to this stretch goal, some of these warcasters will feature in the Fire & Ice single player mission pack, making it a truly unforgettable experience.
As well, unlocking the Warcasters of Apotheosis stretch goal will reveal a fantastic enhancement to our single-player campaign. It's a distant goal right now, but at the pace the WARMACHINE: Tactics community is growing, we feel it's well within reach over the next 25 days. You are unstoppable!
Watch for another exciting post soon. I'm getting tired of keeping secrets, so we're going to show a bit more of what's on the horizon!
Forever grateful,
Matt Wilson
New stretch goal, as mentioned, is the Apotheosis casters: Khachev, Harbinger, Terminus and Darius.
It's chugging along quite nicely. But yeah, making those dice available as an add-on would likely see another burst. I'd personally pick up 1-2 dozen if they went up.
) means... holding pattern for me!
