Yay! They didn't ruin night goblins! Have been waiting 10 years now for plastic squig herds/hoppers. Can finally make some progress on that Skull Pass Night Goblin army I started sooo long ago. (It was my first hobby project). Love all the new kits, excited to see more coming too.

Voss wrote:
I'd hope they take this as an opportunity to add more forest goblins, given the merger and the sheer amount of spider theming going on. A cav unit, a character and a big monster really isn't enough to go on.

The night gobbo kit is still pretty solid, but it'd be nice if the silver tower chaos grots did show up.

they are the perfect blend of moonclan grots and spiders

All looks very awesome. Won't be doing the army, but will certainly pick up the book and a couple of bits as painting projects. But now we need to see if they'll finish off the quartet and we'll get the Darkoaths/Slave to Darkness as the next release. Considering it's the only Malign Portents herald that hasn't seen the full release yet. And they got a Christmas army box.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Love the Gobbo trying hard not to get eaten.

Here I thought he was playing Hide and Seek.

So skirmish campaign on february WD

White dwarf skirmish rules is a bit underwhelming IMO. They need to give it a proper release like Killteam has.

auticus wrote:
White dwarf skirmish rules is a bit underwhelming IMO. They need to give it a proper release like Killteam has.

But do they really? A few pages of core rules in jan WD and then a campaign in feb WD sounds like it could well be quite enough. I'm gonna hold out hope at least until I've actually read it.

Plus lets face it by being in WD at present skirmish is ideally being revamped to attract and interest existing fans. Then in a year or so would be the ideal time to release Skirmish book 2.0 for when GW has then updated many of the core armies with Battletomes. Making it into the ideal intro product for new gamers who might want to pick up many of those factions like Free Peoples, who currently have no Battletome.

There's no sense in GW pushing Skirmish toward new gamers at this stage when there's such a high chance of them starting an army in skirmish that has no real expansion into AoS proper.

Goblins with helmets and cavalry lance

zamerion wrote:

Goblins with helmets and cavalry lance

God damn it GW! Now I'm going to have to become bankrupt. Thanks.

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

auticus wrote:
White dwarf skirmish rules is a bit underwhelming IMO. They need to give it a proper release like Killteam has.

But do they really? A few pages of core rules in jan WD and then a campaign in feb WD sounds like it could well be quite enough. I'm gonna hold out hope at least until I've actually read it.

To have my attention yes. The super stripped down super simple systems are great but keep my attention for about a day. I don't think everything needs to be super simple and super stripped down. THey can keep a super simple super stripped down version for people that like that, but it would be great if they'd put some more into their systems for those that would like more in their systems.

zamerion wrote:


Goblins with helmets and cavalry lance

That's such a Confrontation type thing. Lovely.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

zamerion wrote:


Goblins with helmets and cavalry lance

That's such a Confrontation type thing. Lovely.

See the legendary Squig Knights, noblest of all Goblynfolk. Here they appear on the field of battle to help stressed maidens to calm down.

The more I see of this release.. the more I want it all, it's like a dream slowly coming true. ;-; High hopes for the Troggoths when they show! Curious if out of this we'll see any new Spiderfang units or if they're just updating their Warscrolls and chucking them in.

Squig knights - now you need - - speargobbos with squigs on the spear tips (I can't find a labyrinth clip of ludo getting attacked by them

I don't mind seeing Skirmish published in WD. I mind the poor quality of rules.

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

auticus wrote:
White dwarf skirmish rules is a bit underwhelming IMO. They need to give it a proper release like Killteam has.

But do they really? A few pages of core rules in jan WD and then a campaign in feb WD sounds like it could well be quite enough. I'm gonna hold out hope at least until I've actually read it.

I'm wondering if maybe Skirmish here was originally going to be a release like the original pamphlet. In deciding that White Dwarf needed more content, they could've decided to break the rules up into multiple WD issues with the potential of launching a Skirmish Almanac at the end of the year that collects everything into a full release.

I don't think AoS Skirmish requires a massive product line like Kill Team. The different factions already have sort of starter sets from the Shadespire line (the models were made available separately). The models are not as customizable, so a single warscroll would suffice instead of requiring custom data cards. AoS doesn't currently have enough terrain to justify Killzone releases. The things that Skirmish would really benefit from are things like points, specialists, tactics, and scenarios - all things that could be included in White Dwarf over the following year.

However, a big AoS Skirmish core box and Killzone boxes would be amazing. Also, if they are going to start including this kind of stuff in White Dwarf, then my issues need to arrive a lot closer to release date. I've been getting them over two weeks late for the past year.

Stoked for skirmish next month th

Yeah, one of the things that NEEDs to be a part of the core skirmish rules are at least halfway decent terrain rules. Terrain plays a much bigger role in a skirmish level game. So far even simple house rules for terrain works better than what exists. And I don't mean having warscrolls for every little random officially produced terrain item, just generic features like water, forests, rough terrain, etc.

There’s also armoured squig hopper knights.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, one of the things that NEEDs to be a part of the core skirmish rules are at least halfway decent terrain rules. Terrain plays a much bigger role in a skirmish level game. So far even simple house rules for terrain works better than what exists. And I don't mean having warscrolls for every little random officially produced terrain item, just generic features like water, forests, rough terrain, etc.

I agree. Part of what made Mordheim so great was the terrain. They made the right move by changing the setting: instead of armies on a battlefield, it was warbands in a ruined city.
The same thing needs to happen for Skirmish AoS. It's easy enough to say they fight in a ruined citadel somewhere (something that matches their current terrain kits), and add corresponding rules.

I'd be highly surprised if GW gave us actual terrain rules though. They seem to want nothing to do with things like that.

Apart from all the rules we've got for scenery of course...

Perhaps he meant 'generic' terrain rules, like they used to do, versus 'specific' terrain rules, like they seem to only do now?

But even with that, given the generic nature of some of the available terrain, we should be OK even if they do that only this time around.

So, from the Gitz lore video, sounds like a Troll boss dual kit and the ability to run a Troll herd all on its own.

Dankhold Troggoth and Dankhold Trog Boss (described as enormous). Concept art is Purple and has bigger ears.

By the complete lack of mention, sounds like the 'Sourbreath' (generic) trolls might vanish.

rtb02 wrote:
Apart from all the rules we've got for scenery of course...

There are no terrain rules other than a forest now. Which I am extremely thankful for that they made forests somewhat matter again. But we have hills, rivers, lakes, all things that make up a normal battlefield that really do nothing in game unless its specifically a citadel scenery piece. Age of Sigmar and 40k are the only tabletop wargames that I know of in the history of wargaming that have no rules for those type of things, and while it certainly makes things simpler it goes a bit too far in the simpler category.

IMO.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/28/28th-dec-gloomspite-gitz-the-loregw-homepage-post-1/


Dankhold Trog Boss ( leader)

Rockgut Troggoths

Manglers

Voss wrote:
So, from the Gitz lore video, sounds like a Troll boss dual kit and the ability to run a Troll herd all on its own.

Dankhold Troggoth and Dankhold Trog Boss (described as enormous). Concept art is Purple and has bigger ears.

By the complete lack of mention, sounds like the 'Sourbreath' (generic) trolls might vanish.

Obstacles and garrisons have rules as well, tbf. I'm also dissapointed by a lack of generic terrain rules. I don't like the default mystical rules either--when everything gets a random special rule it becomes a chore and dilutes the impact so it isn't.fun anymore. I would prefer those rules being only associated with specific pieces (as the warscrolls in the GHB) and maybe being a bit stronger for some (deadly/inspiring/sinister are kinda meh imo). The lack of something for water features is also particularly glaring to me.

The Dankhold Troggoth

Those ears are hanging low. Do they wobble to and fro?

Looks like a less-mushroomy version of Mollog for Nightvault...

I like the look, it's a distinct take on a troll that very much says 'troll' in aesthetic. If I was shown that image with no context and asked what I thought it was I would immediately think troll.


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 oomiestompa wrote:
Those ears are hanging low. Do they wobble to and fro?

Exalted

Danny76 wrote:
The Dankhold Troggoth

Its like an "After Meth" picture of Dumbo.

TROGG-DOOOOOR

That’s some dank troll.

There. No need to do any memes.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Obstacles and garrisons have rules as well, tbf. I'm also dissapointed by a lack of generic terrain rules. I don't like the default mystical rules either--when everything gets a random special rule it becomes a chore and dilutes the impact so it isn't.fun anymore. I would prefer those rules being only associated with specific pieces (as the warscrolls in the GHB) and maybe being a bit stronger for some (deadly/inspiring/sinister are kinda meh imo). The lack of something for water features is also particularly glaring to me.

Saddest part is that one of the big issues with Kharadron could be solved by their airships getting "Garrison" as a bit for the embarked units.

Have playtested it quite a bit and it makes a huge difference.

From GW's Instagram account:

well... I knew it would happen eventually but I am going to have to buy some proper sigmar stuff now, not legacy models

I think these models would look better if they ditched the black for the robes. It really doesn't work with the colourful shroomy look. Those squig knights in particular would look better in bright and vivid livery.

 Crimson wrote:
I think these models would look better if they ditched the black for the robes. It really doesn't work with the colourful shroomy look. Those squig knights in particular would look better in bright and vivid livery.

I think it might be used as a contrast against all the crazy bright colors that make up the rest of the army. It might make the bright colors stand out more and make the different parts of the model more easily identifiable at arm's length.

I think in the fluff the leaders tend to go for flashier colors, but I might be rembering that wrong.

I was thinking about painting mine up more of a burgundy color, but I want to wait and see if there's any background fluff about different colors before doing that. It might make everything too same-y if I paint the squigs red, but I think I might loot all the squigs for my 40k orks anyway.

 Crimson wrote:
I think these models would look better if they ditched the black for the robes. It really doesn't work with the colourful shroomy look. Those squig knights in particular would look better in bright and vivid livery.

Can't agree there, I think they would look even more cartoony with another added set of colors. The contrast is already there with the red squigs and green grot skin, if you add in another color to stand out they will just look like a mess. The dark robes let this color scheme work imo. The spot colors are also there with the yellow markings and purple shrooms.

They already look like a cartoony mess. Just embrace it!

I don’t think that their robes have to necessarily be black, but they probably should be at least dark in tone. Most of the time anyway.

I think that with too bright and crazy of a robe color they might end up looking less cartoony and more Jackson Pollock from a couple feet away.

I suppose some extra colour is possible with them:





So long as it’s a strong contrast to the skin and emblems. Personally though, I think it’s best confined to the hoods.

Mine are white robes & blue skin, the Smurfs of Chaos!

I like the look of the purple hoods. Different color hoods might be a good way to differentiate units.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I don’t think that their robes have to necessarily be black, but they probably should be at least dark in tone. Most of the time anyway.

A helpful tip is to add a bit of Rhinox Hide or Mournfang Brown to Abaddon Black when painting. There's a bit of extra depth added and it makes a noticeable shift that won't ruin the overall 'theme'.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I don’t think that their robes have to necessarily be black, but they probably should be at least dark in tone. Most of the time anyway.

A helpful tip is to add a bit of Rhinox Hide or Mournfang Brown to Abaddon Black when painting. There's a bit of extra depth added and it makes a noticeable shift that won't ruin the overall 'theme'.

When I paint something that's intended to be black, I usually paint it dark grey (Eshin Grey), then use 2-3 coats of a black wash (Nuln Oil).

Have they mentioned if any of this amazing stuff goes up tomorrow?

Next weekend I think.

Only thing on pre order today is white dwarf

Ah. Damn. Soon enough. Cheers.

Other than a boatload of squigs I'll probably wait on having a look at the book for the rest.

Interested in seeing the terrain rules as it's been odd how the army specific terrain is mostly crap in 40k while being almost universally awesome in AoS.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I don’t think that their robes have to necessarily be black, but they probably should be at least dark in tone. Most of the time anyway.

A helpful tip is to add a bit of Rhinox Hide or Mournfang Brown to Abaddon Black when painting. There's a bit of extra depth added and it makes a noticeable shift that won't ruin the overall 'theme'.

When I paint something that's intended to be black, I usually paint it dark grey (Eshin Grey), then use 2-3 coats of a black wash (Nuln Oil).

This is generally my go to as well for painting black. Except hair, I usually actually paint hair black, then hit it with a blue wash.

As an aside, I would love it if with these new Squig Hoppers they rereleased the old rules for Squig Hopper racing. That was always a bit of stupid fun.

 Tamereth wrote:
Loving these, they are close enough to the old model range to fit in with my night goblin army while also having a new dynamic to them due to the poses. Will be getting one of everything show so far bar the magic spells.
Mangler squibs and trolls will be icing on the cake. Just need some square bases to fit them on.

Manglers and fanatics can go on round bases as they don't need to rank up. In WHFB they had round bases as well

White robes on night goblins might fly overseas but here in the states it would be in pretty bad taste. The hoods at least should be non-white.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
White robes on night goblins might fly overseas but here in the states it would be in pretty bad taste. The hoods at least should be non-white.

The one to the left below doesn't look too bad and shouldn't remind people of a certain group...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
White robes on night goblins might fly overseas but here in the states it would be in pretty bad taste. The hoods at least should be non-white.

I don't know. Crouched, ugly and cowardly gnomes with green skin hiding in caves, feasting on psychodelic mushrooms and wearing white robes should only offend a certain group of people.

Please don’t derail this thread, I like this thread.

Switching gears a bit here but does anyone think it's possible that Juan Diaz daemonettes may go back on made to order with the incoming slannesh release?

I really hope so because I didn't buy nearly enough last time around and wasn't sure if I'd want to do slannesh demons in the future until I saw the new fiends and decent rules/costs.

The cost for them on eBay is back up to previous ridiculous prices, and GW has a golden opportunity to make bank on another well timed made to order release.

I'd say it was unlikely, we've not seen any repeats on the made to order yet and there's still tons they haven't re-released

Extra boingy!

Ok, those Manglers are way better than the resin ones. Nasty instead of goofy.

As i've commented elsewhere this image has been posted, note the top right Mangler's description says "Loonboss (i think?!) on mangler squigs" so it seems confirmed we can put a hero on Manglers now! Reason the other two manglers in the images the top one looks slightly different, guessing they're the regular Mangler Squig build.

Edit: Also this been posted on FB, Dankhold Troggboss!

Yup. Defo a Loonboss.

Also been commented if you look at the Dankhold Troggboss image and the bottom left image of the manglers leak, they mention SNEAKY SNUFFLERS and there is some new night gobbo unit with scythes holding on to little squig hounds?!

Stone Trolls as well. How exciting!

GenRifDrake wrote:
As i've commented elsewhere this image has been posted, note the top right Mangler's description says "Loonboss (i think?!) on mangler squigs" so it seems confirmed we can put a hero on Manglers now! Reason the other two manglers in the images the top one looks slightly different, guessing they're the regular Mangler Squig build.

Edit: Also this been posted on FB, Dankhold Troggboss!

OH MY GOD I NEED TROLLS.

Also, it's good to see that it appears the Dankhold Troggboss is its own kit compared to the Dankhold Troggoths.

Final leak from FB for those who wanted to make a pure Troll army.

Man those trolls.... MAAAAAAN those trolls....

I have allready a Khorne Minotaur army... will I be as crazy as to make a full troll army?

Yes... yes I'll be.

one more

I’m literally going to work overtime to get all of these.

Yep, I am gunna spend all the money I own on this force I think. Literally every unit looks amazing


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Extra boingy!

What the hell is that weird thing in the middle of the force in that bottom left picture? I can't make it out. Looks like some weird tentacle thing with a heap of heads but I'm almost 100% sure that's not what it is haha

no more sourbreath trolls ;(

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Yep, I am gunna spend all the money I own on this force I think. Literally every unit looks amazing


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Extra boingy!

What the hell is that weird thing in the middle of the force in that bottom left picture? I can't make it out. Looks like some weird tentacle thing with a heap of heads but I'm almost 100% sure that's not what it is haha

Its a funny angle( I think from the side) of the Ophidian Archway.

I want those troggoth to be a bit more muscular but that one holding the rock look really nice

Hopefully they have at least some other weapon options,

GenRifDrake wrote:
As i've commented elsewhere this image has been posted, note the top right Mangler's description says "Loonboss (i think?!) on mangler squigs" so it seems confirmed we can put a hero on Manglers now! Reason the other two manglers in the images the top one looks slightly different, guessing they're the regular Mangler Squig build.

Edit: Also this been posted on FB, Dankhold Troggboss!

Obligatory very expensive giant monster kit. At least one with every new army release.

Just noticed Goblin Wolfriders are no longer available in the US online store. Hmm....reboxing with oval bases, or being removed from the game?

Has anyone noticed that the new Rockguts have the same poses and expressions as the old metals? I like that. It’s a fitting tribute to those venerable minis.

I do like that about the Rockgut, in that they didn't completely break with the originals. I wince at what they will cost, as I'd love to get them.

They look MUCH larger than the old ones, though. Especially if those are 50mm bases.

When this army is done, it's looking like it may be the largest single army in AOS, or second only to the stormcast.

This has been a fantastic release though, no matter what.

 Sasori wrote:
When this army is done, it's looking like it may be the largest single army in AOS, or second only to the stormcast.

This has been a fantastic release though, no matter what.

Seraphon say what? But really yes, it's going to have solid selection. The combo books have been great so far (legions and beasts)

Personally meh about the Goblins and Squigs, but the Trolls are lovely. Might have to get a few just to use in those battleplans with wandering monsters.

Damnit! I have LOTR trolls, PP Trolls, old GW trolls, RBG trolls, Descent trolls, Dungeons and Dragons trolls...
I don't need more trolls, do I? *bites fingernails*

If someone does want their old resin Mangler Squigs - I will take them. MAN, do these new ones look hideous.
Trolls are nice. Too bad, old metal trolls will be so much off scale.

I love how beautifully old school fantasy this army is. Trolls, goblins, funky creatures (squigs), mushrooms, caves, robes, shamanistic magic. Ah, it's so good.

Oh GAWD! DEM TROLLZ!

Well... time to count up how many gobbos I have, going to go down this road I guess. I’ve succumbed to the fungus!

Dang, they're going to get me too with the Trolls.

I love trolls and ogres.

The bigger the better.

...that's what she said.

 Sasori wrote:
When this army is done, it's looking like it may be the largest single army in AOS, or second only to the stormcast.

This has been a fantastic release though, no matter what.

Looks like it will still be behind Tzeentch and Khorne, not even close to Stormcast. Maybe it will exceed half the Stormcast army in size.

I love the troll stuff especially, great sculpts.

What is actually going on with those huge squigs? Are they chained together?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/30/30th-dec-next-weeks-pre-orders-gloomspite-gitz/

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
When this army is done, it's looking like it may be the largest single army in AOS, or second only to the stormcast.

This has been a fantastic release though, no matter what.

Looks like it will still be behind Tzeentch and Khorne, not even close to Stormcast. Maybe it will exceed half the Stormcast army in size.

Even after including all the spiderfang grots, other trolls and all the new stuff? Seems like by sheer number of units it will be pretty huge.

High quality of the leaked stuff and some New images

Whoa, I don't play AoS, but these guys really make me wanna start.

Love all the gobbo characters.

All those little goblin shaman are awesome!
That little hypnotising one

Loads of models here, plus what we’ve already seen..
Big release!

Those trolls are stunning. The mangler squig is also exceptional!

Some really sweet releases here.

Seems GW was keeping it's best for the Gobbos!!! Who would have though?

Love the truffle squigs!

And the gobbo sitting on the mushroom tripping balls is hilarious

Would buy that big troll in a heartbeat if the kit is as good in spare bit as the Giant kit (doubt)

 shinros wrote:
High quality of the leaked stuff and some New images

Spoiler:

Hey, there's a grot scuttler there on the bottom left.

Those trolls have got some fantastic expressions on them! GW has really outdone themselves with this Goblin Troll army and revamp!

When AoS added in the new Stormcast/Nighthaunts, I jumped in on both.

But this release has me seriously contemplating a large Goblin and Troll army.

Especially the trolls.

Always loved the old Stone Trolls, and these new ones are great, as is that Giant Troll.

Great stuff again for AoS. GW seems to finally be figuring this all out!

GW has posted a slideshow on Instagram showing size comparisons of a Night Goblin, Fellwater Troggoth, Rockgut Troggoth and the Dankhold Troggoth.

Trolls look way better if you crank the saturation way up to make them closer to their classic blue.

...there’s tiny little mushroom people running around on top of the ‘shroom spider...I might need to sell my car to raise all the funds I need for these.

That baby bird on top of the Troll’s Bonce

I can totally imagine that troll smashing people with the big rock then rising it back over his head shaking it so bits of enemy drop down to feed the baby bird.

I like that they have strapped rocks to themselves as armor.

I also like that the terrain piece has a recycle mechanic for swarmy units. I always like that sort of mechanic as it allows an army to fulfill the horde role without the practical difficulties of assembling/painting/gaming with literally hundreds of models at once.

I was originally hyped for the release when we saw the first squig kits.
Now though? I'm selling off some armies on eBay to free up cash lol.

Love all the little details and extra character they added to these guys.
Nice to see they kept an amusing vibe rather than trying to make them look serious.

I need all of these kits in my life now, there isn't a single model so far that I dislike.
Just hoping skarsnik gets a rework (the forecast model is a monstrosity)

Thought I was going to be able to get away with just buying the Loonking, but no, I'm going to need pretty much every character mini.

Don't even play sigmar, but the squig herd is so awesome a box or two will be making their way into a snakebites gretchin mob.

I was really worried that GW would redesign the Rock Trolls into something unrecognisable, especially when you look at the cartoonish nonsense that is this miniature.

Thank both Gork & Mork that the new Trolls look the way they do. They're fantastic, IMO. Shame that those are 100% going to be the only possible poses/weapon combos, but the aesthetics are gorgeous (in a hideous kinda way).

I gotta say that this new Goblin release has been basically one hit after another. Some of the Gobbopalloza minis aren't my favs (though I love the Shaman with the spiral eyes - he's great!), but this is just a fantastic and inspired re-do of Squigs, and everything is in plastic. And I can stop trying to find the Warhammer starterset Rock Troll, as these new ones will do just fine for Quest.

And... Alpharius is back!

Spotted this on GWs facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/videos/130543284550413/UzpfSTIwMzc0NjQ3NjMxMDEwNjoyNzE0NzM5NTI4NTQ0MTA5/




Actually I kind of like the troll above. Can you buy him on the GW site? He would look good as a rock troll leader.

He’s part of a forthcoming Underworlds Force. You get him and and some unusual Squigs.

The only part that really grates on me is how the basic fungi on every model are just cut and pasted on. They don't blend onto the model at all, just a cylindrical stem attached against a rounded surface, rather than a join where it looks like they are growing there. Especially on the big guys like the Shadespire troll it's just hideously obvious to me.

I'm really impressed by how well-painted the models are. For example the lips on the mangler squigs or the crystal that the troll is holding.

 ceorron wrote:
Spotted this on GWs facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/videos/130543284550413/UzpfSTIwMzc0NjQ3NjMxMDEwNjoyNzE0NzM5NTI4NTQ0MTA5/

Spoiler:

Actually I kind of like the troll above. Can you buy him on the GW site? He would look good as a rock troll leader.

It's this Dankhold Troggoth that was in your link to the Age of Sigmar Facebok page. Mollog's Mob was revealed at Spiel 2018 back around Halloween.




I'd venture to say that Mollog is going to be too small to be a substitute for the Dankhold Troggoth but all of the Underworlds kits come with warscrolls for use in Age of Sigmar.

Mollog could just be a 'young' Dankhold Troggoth.

Or a very old and mutated one.

I suffer from Trypophobia.. That Dankhold Troggoth is freaking me out big time.

Kanluwen wrote:Mollog could just be a 'young' Dankhold Troggoth.

Galas wrote:Or a very old and mutated one.

Considering Shadespire's Nightvault is described as part prison and part laboratory, that's more then enough reason why Mollog might not be as big as a normal Dankhold Troggoth.

A lot of this stuff doesn't do it for me, but that's mainly because it's not aimed at me - I actually quite liked the more sinister turn Gobbos took in WHFB, while these are firmly aimed at fans of the 110% whacky oldschool style.

The squigs and herders remain lovely, and the basic squig hoppers are great. Some of the character models are awesome(I want that chubby head from the Brewgit). The trolls are OK, but I'll need to see their actual size and what they look like with a less cartoony paintjob. Don't care for the manglers, but I didn't particularly care for the FW version either - give me a plain old Giant Squig any day.

It's a solid execution of the concept and I'm happy folk who play something other than Stormcast in AoS are getting a full-scale army release.

I knew big daddy troll reminded me of something...

Agreed with yohdrin that they are a bit too goofy and not sinister enough, but fhe release is still pretty great. Shame about the diving fanatic though. I really like the redesigned fanatics but this one pose is so idiotic that it makes me like the kit a lot less

Feeling overwhelmed.
That was a lot more gobbo and troll goodness than I was expecting.

I even like the new mangler squig.


What a way to kick off a year. Shockingly well done.

Magnificent, GW fantasy coming to life.

I wonder if other Gobbo stuff will be in this battletome, too. Things like the Wolf Riders are suddenly unavailable online, and I cant believe they'd be Squatting them?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I wonder if other Gobbo stuff will be in this battletome, too. Things like the Wolf Riders are suddenly unavailable online, and I cant believe they'd be Squatting them?

Wolf chariot, nasty skulkers, snotling pump wagon.. all are no longer availeable... curious..


Do you imagine that the next renovation is pirate goblins with the normal goblins?

Yeah its a crazy idea.. but.. this year they renewed 2 elves followed..

Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'classic' Orcs and Goblins rolled into one battletome.

 Ghaz wrote:
Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'classic' Orcs and Goblins rolled into one battletome.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see them put most of the classic kits out to pasture. They had a good run.

Only the Zombie kit is immune to the passage of time, apparently.

Just one thing; the regular orruk boar boyz and the dual model Warboss kit still hold up well. So I would hope that they could find a home somewhere.

If they were going to discontinue the 'classic' Orcs and Goblins altogether, why did they only discontinue certain kits?

I was curious about the ‘common’ goblins as well. The pump wagon & doom diver seem like they’d fit well into the Gloomspite army, but they seem to have not carried over stuff like the wolf riders & spear chukka. Hopefully the latter two can continue to stay with their hobgoblin cousins in a chaos dwarf army reboot. But since the evil stuntys are living in the middle of an ocean apparently, I’m guessing they’ll go for more of a demonic-war machine pirates theme instead.

Either way, these new grots are fabulous! I really hope you can field entire units of grot sorcerers, I want all those new ones, but I have so many old RT metal ones, it would be amazing to see them all fielded as a unit.

Anyone know if the FW troggoth hag will be usable with these grots? She’s big enough to be a troll boss I’d guess?

New podcast:

Oh nice bottle episode!

 Ghaz wrote:
If they were going to discontinue the 'classic' Orcs and Goblins altogether, why did they only discontinue certain kits?

Different levels of stock, perhaps. Certain kits were produced in greater quantities and are taking longer to sell out.

Just speculation, though.

 Ghaz wrote:
Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'classic' Orcs and Goblins rolled into one battletome.

I'd think it more likely to see them added to Ironjawz to be honest.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
If they were going to discontinue the 'classic' Orcs and Goblins altogether, why did they only discontinue certain kits?

Different levels of stock, perhaps. Certain kits were produced in greater quantities and are taking longer to sell out.

Just speculation, though.

Then there's also the 'Last Chance to Buy' category for kits that they know are being discontinued. Currently only the 40K 30th Anniversary Intercessor Sergeant is in that category.

Would it be fitting to post a run down on AoS Skirmish in here? I did so already in the WD one but thought might be more relevent and more people would be interested here.

GenRifDrake wrote:
Would it be fitting to post a run down on AoS Skirmish in here? I did so already in the WD one but thought might be more relevent and more people would be interested here.

Yes please

I’d like to see regular goblins change their emphasis to focus on their contraptions, maybe rolling in that sky-pirate business hinted at in the Kharadron book too…
Imagine a Snotling pump-skiff, sailing across the battlefield, powered by the wind blowing into the sail from the giant fan cranked by the snots?
Doom divers as boarders and modified harpoon chukkas to reel in the enemy vessels?
Plus all of that can be dismounted to serve on the battlefield easily enough.

zamerion wrote:

GenRifDrake wrote:
Would it be fitting to post a run down on AoS Skirmish in here? I did so already in the WD one but thought might be more relevent and more people would be interested here.

Yes please

Alrighty, well to copy and paste from my post in the WD:

To give a brief run down on Skirmish, it's basically rules for playing AoS in the 250-500 points/Reknown or so mark, you can go for more or less but that's about the range they recommend. It uses same rules as AoS just there are some adjustments for Warscrolls and points cost or what they call Reknown. To find a unit's Reknown you basically work out the cost of what 1 model would be, so min unit size cost divided by min unit size. There is a restriction that each Warscroll can only be included once in a Warband, but you are free to ignore Min unit sizes, and also you can mix and match any wargear and upgrade options that Warscroll has, though still sticking to any "every 1 in 5" etc rules. You must also take a minimum of 3 Warscrolls and at the very least 1 of them must be a Hero, as you are still required to bring a General. Also each model in Skirmish is it's own individual unit and do not have any coherency rules. So despite you might buy say add 10 Chainrasp to your Nighthaunt Warband as part of taking on a Chainrasp Horde Warscroll choice, they do not function as a 10 man unit but are 10 individual units/models now and are all free to function individually from what I gathered.

You must have at least 1 Hero unit and pick one of your Hero units to be your general as stated earlier, but you ignore battletome Command Trait and Artifact tables. Instead everyone must use these new Skirmish Command Trait and Artifact choices for Skirmish games and you ignore any Allegiance abilities too, there is instead one generic Allegiance ability for each Grand Alliance you choose. CP and Command Abilities function as normal. In addition there is no Endless Spells allowed either and any abilities/spells/traits etc that add models or new units to your warband cannot be used once the battle begins also.

The WD has 7 missions for you to play around with, but that is the basic run down, skipping out on a lot of other details but that should be enough to give a general idea how it'll play out? They said next issue will have rules for playing AoS: Skirmish Campaigns too.

The basic rules are as they were in the original Skirmish supplement, with a couple of significant changes (some of which have already been summarised):

- Leaders of units get the CHAMPION keyword, which is used in some other rules, scenarios, etc.
- You get an allegiance ability based on your grand alliance (Chaos models that die can attack again on a 6+, Death models get Deathless Minions but don't need to be near a HERO to trigger it, Destruction can pick another model to fight on a 5+ at the end of the combat phase and Order can re-roll battleshock)
- There's a list of special command traits and artefacts and these are the only ones you can use
- The rules clarify that command abilities and command points work as they do normally, except that you can't use any command ability that affects battleshock tests in any way
- The biggest change is to the way Renown works; instead of a specific list derived from an opaque formula, they just give you the maths and it's points/model based on the points/unit in the General's Handbook (or, presumably, the battletome, but oddly it does specifically mention the GHB...)
- Models from a warscroll with a specific upgrade (and CHAMPIONS) have a flat increase to their Renown
- 7 new battleplans

Campaign rules are coming next issue. Given the length of this article, I'd expect them to be fairly detailed compared to the ones in the original supplement.

You can still freely mix and match warscrolls within the Grand Alliance, right?

I'd imagine so yep, all it says is when making your Warband you must choose a Grand Alliance for it to hail from, and all your warscrolls must come from that Grand Alliance.

Yep mix and match away
*starts working out renown values for the ETB kits and Shadespire warbands*

Yep, only limit is by Grand Alliance. No other allegiance abilities can be used, so there's no reason to restrict by faction.

Time to assemble the human/aelf/duardin adventuring party of my dreams...

I'm doing similar, with some Duardin. I bought a two pack of the Rune Golems from Runewars, and I plan on using them as a pair of counts-as Kurnoth Hunters (with Greatswords) in a warband otherwise made of primarily Ironbreakers and Irondrakes led by a Runelord. The Kurnoth warscroll seemed to fit such big stone golems the best as they fit right onto 50mm bases. I think they look awesomely Dwarven, and should give my Duardin some cool monsters for Skirmish.



The only bummer to the WD Skirmish rules is requiring the GHB to figure out Renown costs, as it's yet another purchase for me just to play skirmish when I don't have any intention of playing AoS at full-scale, so as far as I can tell the GHB is otherwise useless to me (personally). I wonder, as I will primarily be playing games with friends who don't even have the Skirmish rules, if I just use the awesome full list using original-style renown costs from the Grand Alliance forums, but otherwise use the WD rules for everything else, as it sounds like the new formula just uses the way to calculate renown, but stopping short of dividing by five.

I wonder how much of the new rules were written or collaborated with Bottle from Hinterlands? The new way to calculate values already sounds like the "gold coins" value from Hinterlands, and the generic allegiance abilities also sound like what warbands would use from Hinterlands. Hopefully the campaign rules also have Hinterlands-styles injury/advancement for models.

I like the sound of Champions and/or specialists costing a bit more than generic troopers, as it just plain makes sense.

So the game-breaking balance issues were not addressed at all?

For example; when the leader of a Kharadron Thunderer unit is charged he rolls a dice and on a 2+ does a mortal wound to the charger. Since every model is its own unit, 5/6 models to charge him will suffer a mortal wound. He can also retreat instead of fighting in melee so only one model will be able to attack him before he runs away unless he is completely surrounded, and he shoots 4 shots a turn. So basically this one unit champion can solo entire warbands by himself, minus the enemy hero.

Or a plague monk unit champion that has an item with a 1/game use that rolls a dice for every unit within 13" dealing a mortal wound on a 4+ (Nurgle units only affected on a 6) so a single unit champion can wipe out a huge chunk of an enemy warband with little effort.

Or a Grimwrath Berzerker, who upon suffering a wound or mortal wound rolls a dice and adds one for each enemy unit within 3" and ignores it on a 6+ (so have 5 models in range and he now cannot be slain except by instant death effects).

Or a Knight-Azyros who has a once per game ability that does an automatic d3 mortal wounds to each enemy unit within 8".

I could go on for some time, but the point is that there is a plentiful amount of completely game-breaking options with how the skirmish rules are currently designed and I am really hoping they did something about that for the new skirmish else it will die almost as fast as the first.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

The only bummer to the WD Skirmish rules is requiring the GHB to figure out Renown costs, as it's yet another purchase for me just to play skirmish when I don't have any intention of playing AoS at full-scale.

All Aos points are available for free on warscrolls builder, which you can find on the warhammer community site, so you don't need to buy the ghb.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So the game-breaking balance issues were not addressed at all?

For example; when the leader of a Kharadron Thunderer unit is charged he rolls a dice and on a 2+ does a mortal wound to the charger. Since every model is its own unit, 5/6 models to charge him will suffer a mortal wound. He can also retreat instead of fighting in melee so only one model will be able to attack him before he runs away unless he is completely surrounded, and he shoots 4 shots a turn. So basically this one unit champion can solo entire warbands by himself, minus the enemy hero.

Or a plague monk unit champion that has an item with a 1/game use that rolls a dice for every unit within 13" dealing a mortal wound on a 4+ (Nurgle units only affected on a 6) so a single unit champion can wipe out a huge chunk of an enemy warband with little effort.

Or a Grimwrath Berzerker, who upon suffering a wound or mortal wound rolls a dice and adds one for each enemy unit within 3" and ignores it on a 6+ (so have 5 models in range and he now cannot be slain except by instant death effects).

Or a Knight-Azyros who has a once per game ability that does an automatic d3 mortal wounds to each enemy unit within 8".

I could go on for some time, but the point is that there is a plentiful amount of completely game-breaking options with how the skirmish rules are currently designed and I am really hoping they did something about that for the new skirmish else it will die almost as fast as the first.

Maybe it has the rule like both Hinterlands and Forgotten Heroes (two fan expansions) where a model can only do 3 mortal wounds in a turn, with the rest becoming 1 wound with "-" Rend. Both also have/had a rule where a unit's attack or special ability can't be targetted against more than 3 models- the rest are lost. Massively balances the examples above.

@Chikout: Thanks for the info on points. I hadn't checked out the builder yet. I'm a bit behind when it comes to technology instead of books, lol. *After checking it out, hopefully they expand the selection of available Skirmish units when/if they update renown to eliminate having to do all the renown conversions manually.

I've not had any interest in AOS to date. But I will be getting a Loonboss asap. One of the best sculpts I've seen out of GW in a while!

Wave 1 Gloomspite Gitz prices

Squighoppers $50 £30
Squig herd $45 £27.50
Fanatics $40 £25
Grots $35 £21
Loon king $35 £21
Loon Shrine $60 £35
Endless Spells $35 £21
Squig Dice $30 £20

I’ve converted the GBP prices based on the latest releases which is why stuff like the Endless Spells arent £20 like the earlier ones so GBP prices may vary a little.

 DaveC wrote:
Wave 1 Gloomspite Gitz prices

Squighoppers $50 £30
Squig herd $45 £27.50
Fanatics $40 £25
Grots $35 £21
Loon king $35 £21
Loon Shrine $60 £35
Endless Spells $35 £21
Squig Dice $30 £20

I’ve converted the GBP prices based on the latest releases which is why stuff like the Endless Spells arent £20 like the earlier ones so GBP prices may vary a little.

Is that a box of 5 or 10 Squighoppers?

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Wave 1 Gloomspite Gitz prices

Squighoppers $50 £30
Squig herd $45 £27.50
Fanatics $40 £25
Grots $35 £21
Loon king $35 £21
Loon Shrine $60 £35
Endless Spells $35 £21
Squig Dice $30 £20

I’ve converted the GBP prices based on the latest releases which is why stuff like the Endless Spells arent £20 like the earlier ones so GBP prices may vary a little.

Is that a box of 5 or 10 Squighoppers?

Still unknown... Preview showed 10 in a pic, the pre orders for next week post showed 5.

For their cost... Hoping a box of 10 otherwise this could get v expensive

As a person collecting daughters of Khaine, I fear it's gna be 5 .

$50 £30 would put it right in line with most of the elite units in other armies. I would anticipate five per box.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So the game-breaking balance issues were not addressed at all?

For example; when the leader of a Kharadron Thunderer unit is charged he rolls a dice and on a 2+ does a mortal wound to the charger. Since every model is its own unit, 5/6 models to charge him will suffer a mortal wound. He can also retreat instead of fighting in melee so only one model will be able to attack him before he runs away unless he is completely surrounded, and he shoots 4 shots a turn. So basically this one unit champion can solo entire warbands by himself, minus the enemy hero.

Or a plague monk unit champion that has an item with a 1/game use that rolls a dice for every unit within 13" dealing a mortal wound on a 4+ (Nurgle units only affected on a 6) so a single unit champion can wipe out a huge chunk of an enemy warband with little effort.

Or a Grimwrath Berzerker, who upon suffering a wound or mortal wound rolls a dice and adds one for each enemy unit within 3" and ignores it on a 6+ (so have 5 models in range and he now cannot be slain except by instant death effects).

Or a Knight-Azyros who has a once per game ability that does an automatic d3 mortal wounds to each enemy unit within 8".

I could go on for some time, but the point is that there is a plentiful amount of completely game-breaking options with how the skirmish rules are currently designed and I am really hoping they did something about that for the new skirmish else it will die almost as fast as the first.

There's nothing specific like that - the core rules are literally four pages, and a lot of that is artefacts and stuff. What they do have is a boxout entitled "Can I Take Nagash?" which basically says you're free to do what you want within the confines of renown (so Nagash wouldn't work for the intended game size anyway...) but some stuff is going to be too powerful outside of special scenarios.

Maybe the campaign rules next issue will restrict certain choices, but the way these rules are written it's more aimed at casual play anyway. The recommended renown levels are supposed to give you games you can complete in under an hour. Anything broken for this format should reveal itself pretty quickly!

It's also worth pointing out that there's no reference whatsoever to the previous supplement. It's treated like a whole new thing. So don't expect it to errata anything that came before.

rtb02 wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Wave 1 Gloomspite Gitz prices

Squighoppers $50 £30
Squig herd $45 £27.50
Fanatics $40 £25
Grots $35 £21
Loon king $35 £21
Loon Shrine $60 £35
Endless Spells $35 £21
Squig Dice $30 £20

I’ve converted the GBP prices based on the latest releases which is why stuff like the Endless Spells arent £20 like the earlier ones so GBP prices may vary a little.

Is that a box of 5 or 10 Squighoppers?

Still unknown... Preview showed 10 in a pic, the pre orders for next week post showed 5.

For their cost... Hoping a box of 10 otherwise this could get v expensive

I'm hoping it's 10.
Otherwise it puts them at a higher cost than the failcast ones.
As someone who wants 100+ hoppers, this will be the make or break for me.
Don't mind buying 10 sets, but 20 is too much at that price.

Also going to guess that the manglers get the "big kit price" so easily £50+
Looking at the prices and popularity, this is essentially printing money for them.

Why are the squigs standing on mushrooms - almost launching off their spores. Was this explained or is it just basing to add height / etc? Love the grot riders with lances!

I'm thinking about converting that huuuuge Dankhold Troggoth to use in Warhammer Underworlds to count as Mollog . But it will depend on if he can fit in a hex (even if rebased). Do we know what base size he is shown on?

 RiTides wrote:
Why are the squigs standing on mushrooms - almost launching off their spores. Was this explained or is it just basing to add height / etc? Love the grot riders with lances!

I'm thinking about converting that huuuuge Dankhold Troggoth to use in Warhammer Underworlds to count as Mollog . But it will depend on if he can fit in a hex (even if rebased). Do we know what base size he is shown on?

It’s just showing them bouncing around - the spores etc are the way they’ve chosen to attach them to the base.

 RiTides wrote:
Why are the squigs standing on mushrooms - almost launching off their spores. Was this explained or is it just basing to add height / etc? Love the grot riders with lances!

Because in GW's world anything that jumps or flies needs to launch off of its own personal rock. And since personal rocks can't be any old rocks and consistent throughout all the ranges, they need to be specifically themed to the army. Even if that means they're no longer rocks.

I don't know exactly when this epidemic started, but we have early examples of this as far back as 3rd ed 40k Raptors.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm thinking about converting that huuuuge Dankhold Troggoth to use in Warhammer Underworlds to count as Mollog . But it will depend on if he can fit in a hex (even if rebased). Do we know what base size he is shown on?

From the picture posted three pages ago (see spoiler) I get the impression it's on a 60mm round base. That's a golin on 25mm base right next to it.

Yeah, the base for the Dankhold Troggoth is at least 60mm if not larger.

I can't decide whether to pick up a small force of these adorable green scamps, or if I should wait for Tyrion's Aelves and save my money...


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 Ghaz wrote:
Yeah, the base for the Dankhold Troggoth is at least 60mm if not larger.

Yeah, isn't the Grot right next to him one of those mushroom sniffer Squig herder bros? Looks more like a 32mm on him so the base on the troggoth seems slightly bigger than a 60mm

The Dankhold is around as big as a giant. I’d say at least 80mm base.

I think we can be pretty sure that it's either 60mm or 80mm, and with that stance it's probably going to fit on a 50mm base like Mollog.

Not sure I'd compare the new troll to a giant. The giant used to fill its 75mm x 50mm base because of its striding pose. The new troll doesn't need that much space. It's just standing there.

I found a size comparison video on facebook, looks like a 60mm assuming the other trolls shown are on 40mm (swamp troll) and 50mm (stone troll):

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=959285464268247&id=452117934985005

 Geifer wrote:
I think we can be pretty sure that it's either 60mm or 80mm, and with that stance it's probably going to fit on a 50mm base like Mollog.

Not sure I'd compare the new troll to a giant. The giant used to fill its 75mm x 50mm base because of its striding pose. The new troll doesn't need that much space. It's just standing there.

That's what I'm hoping! He seems like the Creature Caster models - really tall but not too wide. I'll have to see how it looks though

 RiTides wrote:
I found a size comparison video on facebook, looks like a 60mm assuming the other trolls shown are on 40mm (swamp troll) and 50mm (stone troll):

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=959285464268247&id=452117934985005

 Geifer wrote:
I think we can be pretty sure that it's either 60mm or 80mm, and with that stance it's probably going to fit on a 50mm base like Mollog.

Not sure I'd compare the new troll to a giant. The giant used to fill its 75mm x 50mm base because of its striding pose. The new troll doesn't need that much space. It's just standing there.

That's what I'm hoping! He seems like the Creature Caster models - really tall but not too wide. I'll have to see how it looks though

Fellwater Troggoths come with 50mm round bases.

€42/£30 for only 5 Squig Hoppers would be unacceptable so it better be 10 in the box. Those models are too small to warrant that price tag.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/01/1st-dec-the-top-5-things-to-look-forward-to-in-2019gw-homepage-post-3/?fbclid=IwAR01kAzQnTD0PCr8B_0svYGixVtQ6DiBu1uwNhBOeSeKNHLXo2VN973y-fI#utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=40K&utm_content=40KLookForwardToJan1

Confirmed more Slaanesh releases and thus likely a Battletome. Confirmed more endless spells for all armies and more in general (might mean Idoneth and daughters of Khaine getting theirs).

And surely more stormcast

No mention of any limited edition Stormcast Sergeants yet

When do you guys think we'll start seeing faction focuses on the grots?

Would be weird for the squig herd (10 squigs plus handlers) to be cheaper than 5 squig hoppers.

It’s ten in the picture.
Two bodies repeated twice isn’t it?

I’m sure in the description of them where it talks about all the options and stuff it made out like it was ten.

But looking at those prices I’d say for sure it is anyway regardless

The original reveal image definitely showed 10, it seems more likely to be 10 for the price but I guess we won't know for definite until Friday night.

Aside from endless spells for factions, I don't feel we need more of them.

Nice that they're going to continue with the story, although I do hope we get something else than Sigmar vs Nagash.

 Knight wrote:
Aside from endless spells for factions, I don't feel we need more of them.

Nice that they're going to continue with the story, although I do hope we get something else than Sigmar vs Nagash.

Well, Slaanesh is coming. And will surely be Nagash's fault. They don't give the poor guy a break.

Keep in mind that anything concrete in the top five things to look forward to in 2019 is exclusively focused on the next three months, with the sole exception of Sisters (special case, that one). GW just won't preview anything beyond that time frame. There's probably a lot to look forward to in the other nine months.

Also, Sigmarines.

Looking at the squig pic of 10...

Unless there's a duplicate sprue in a box I'm assuming they're boxes of 5.

Looking at the ten there are duplicates in there even though the riders and squig faces are different. As such I'm betting a box of 5 at this stage ...

Squig hoppers are 50$US for 10 models.

stormboy wrote:
Squig hoppers are 50$US for 10 models.

Can you confirm a source please?

rtb02 wrote:

stormboy wrote:
Squig hoppers are 50$US for 10 models.

Can you confirm a source please?

Phone call with my GW rep.

Ghaz - Whoops, you're right, the swamp and stone trolls are both on 50mm!

Stormboy - Thanks for the info! $5 per squig hopper (at full retail) is honestly pretty darn good for how excellent those sculpts are! They should sell tons of them

10 a box would be bearable so I really hope your rep is right. 5 to a box would be a big no from me until a SC or Battleforce includes them and other stuff I'd want to turn my Skull Pass buggers into a 1000 points force now that a proper O&G army is pretty bad.

I might just get the squig herd for tankbusta bomb squigs for now.

And ALL the crazy little character gobbos if I fail my willpower test

stormboy wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

stormboy wrote:
Squig hoppers are 50$US for 10 models.

Can you confirm a source please?

Phone call with my GW rep.

Grand! That'll do for me thank you

rtb02 wrote:
Looking at the squig pic of 10...

Unless there's a duplicate sprue in a box I'm assuming they're boxes of 5.

Looking at the ten there are duplicates in there even though the riders and squig faces are different. As such I'm betting a box of 5 at this stage ...

It’s not uncommon for there to be repeats to bodies in a kit.
I was under the same assumption that it’s a repeat, but still assumed 10 in a box.

I think also, the community page always showcases unit pictures as the size you get. Can’t think of one that doesn’t looking back..

More than not uncommon, it's the norm. I'd say the majority of boxes are two duplicate sprues or sets of sprues, unless there is a very small unit size (3 or 5).

At that point duplication is obscured slightly by arm and head swaps.

Are the Squig dice the most expensive of late? The only comparable ones I could think of were the Death Guard ones. Anyone remember their price?

20 pounds for the squig dice? So since GW charges Canadians double what UK people buy, that would mean $40 Canadian. Dice were $25, but now $40?

I really hope that is a misprint or we are getting a crap load of dice in that.

Looking at that Squig picture there are 5 bodies, three duplicated faces, and 4 unique faces. Not sure how that'll pan out on the sprues unless you get 2x5 bodies and 2x7 faces.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Looking at that Squig picture there are 5 bodies, three duplicated faces, and 4 unique faces. Not sure how that'll pan out on the sprues unless you get 2x5 bodies and 2x7 faces.

They did mention in one of the community posts that the squigs have a heap of faces to choose from

If only the faces of the Hopper Squigs and the Herd Squigs were interchangeable.

They probably won't be but that would be awesome.


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Davor wrote:
20 pounds for the squig dice? So since GW charges Canadians double what UK people buy, that would mean $40 Canadian. Dice were $25, but now $40?

I really hope that is a misprint or we are getting a crap load of dice in that.

The picture shows 20 dice.

They look fun, but close up they unfortunately also look to be bad quality with mould lines, little brambles and flakey paint all over.

 TBD wrote:
If only the faces of the Hopper Squigs and the Herd Squigs were interchangeable.

They probably won't be but that would be awesome.

I think its likely that they're interchangeable

terry wrote:

 TBD wrote:
If only the faces of the Hopper Squigs and the Herd Squigs were interchangeable.

They probably won't be but that would be awesome.

I think its likely that they're interchangeable

I'd agree.
Would be much like the pink horror kit in that regard.
My only issue now is waiting.
Managed to free up a chunk of cash for the first wave but I live 5 mins from a GW, so the temptation is real lol.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/02/gloomspite-gitz-preview-part-1-the-basics-and-allegiance-abilitiesgw-homepage-post-4/

Enemy Units anywhere on the board are bombarded with meteors from the Bad Moon, and take damage.

Gloomspite Gitz Wizards under the Bad Moon get +1 to their casting rolls, while all other wizards get -1.

Gloomspite Gitz Generals get an additional command point in each hero phase they’re under the Bad Moon.

Squigs under the Bad Moon can advance and charge in the same turn.

Moonclan Grot units re-roll hit rolls of 1.

Spiderfang Grot units deal mortal wounds on a 5+ to hit, rather than a 6+.

Troggoths can re-roll the dice to see if they regenerate wounds, or double the results of their first roll.

Interesting, it sounds overpowered, but because it appears to be corner to corner and divides the battlefield into 4 segments it might be that only 2 segments ever get coverage from the Bad Moon - so 50% of the battlefield over the course of the entire game. That leaves 50% free of the Bad Moon's effect, even though of that 50% only half of it (1/4 of the table) will be the opponents side.
So overall strong, but not too broken, though of course this is without any real numbers behind things (eg like damage).

Either it provides a super benefit or it does nothing. Never liked that design choice.

I'm torn. I finally got all my seraphon and legion of nagash done but an army of squigs and squig hoppers seems so sweet. I'm holding firm on waiting for the book and to see how much an army would cost but man, so silly and fun!

 Overread wrote:
Interesting, it sounds overpowered, but because it appears to be corner to corner and divides the battlefield into 4 segments it might be that only 2 segments ever get coverage from the Bad Moon - so 50% of the battlefield over the course of the entire game. That leaves 50% free of the Bad Moon's effect, even though of that 50% only half of it (1/4 of the table) will be the opponents side.
So overall strong, but not too broken, though of course this is without any real numbers behind things (eg like damage).

The way I read GW's explanation, the Gitz player picks a corner for the Bad Moon to start in for turn 1, the Bad Moon affects the quarter of the board that includes that corner, then starting in turn 2 the Bad Moon moves to an adjacent corner, it's not clear to me if it moves clockwise or counterclockwise, so both players know where the Bad Moon is going to be and which board quarter will be affected so then it becomes a contest to see how each player can maneuver their units to maximize or minimize the impact of the Bad Moon effects on their forces.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Interesting, it sounds overpowered, but because it appears to be corner to corner and divides the battlefield into 4 segments it might be that only 2 segments ever get coverage from the Bad Moon - so 50% of the battlefield over the course of the entire game. That leaves 50% free of the Bad Moon's effect, even though of that 50% only half of it (1/4 of the table) will be the opponents side.
So overall strong, but not too broken, though of course this is without any real numbers behind things (eg like damage).

The way I read GW's explanation, the Gitz player picks a corner for the Bad Moon to start in for turn 1, the Bad Moon affects the quarter of the board that includes that corner, then starting in turn 2 the Bad Moon moves to an adjacent corner, it's not clear to me if it moves clockwise or counterclockwise, so both players know where the Bad Moon is going to be and which board quarter will be affected so then it becomes a contest to see how each player can maneuver their units to maximize or minimize the impact of the Bad Moon effects on their forces.

Judging by the diagram and text, you pick a corner.
Round 1: picked corner
Round 2: centre of the quarter table
Round 3: centre of table, might affect the whole board?
Round 4: centre of the opposite corner quarter table
Round 5: opposite corner

They're talking about the Gloomspite Gitz battletome on Twitch starting now.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Interesting, it sounds overpowered, but because it appears to be corner to corner and divides the battlefield into 4 segments it might be that only 2 segments ever get coverage from the Bad Moon - so 50% of the battlefield over the course of the entire game. That leaves 50% free of the Bad Moon's effect, even though of that 50% only half of it (1/4 of the table) will be the opponents side.
So overall strong, but not too broken, though of course this is without any real numbers behind things (eg like damage).

The way I read GW's explanation, the Gitz player picks a corner for the Bad Moon to start in for turn 1, the Bad Moon affects the quarter of the board that includes that corner, then starting in turn 2 the Bad Moon moves to an adjacent corner, it's not clear to me if it moves clockwise or counterclockwise, so both players know where the Bad Moon is going to be and which board quarter will be affected so then it becomes a contest to see how each player can maneuver their units to maximize or minimize the impact of the Bad Moon effects on their forces.

Judging by the diagram and text, you pick a corner.
Round 1: picked corner
Round 2: centre of the quarter table
Round 3: centre of table, might affect the whole board?
Round 4: centre of the opposite corner quarter table
Round 5: opposite corner

At the start of the game, you’ll pick a corner of the board for the Bad Moon to start in. Starting from the second battle round, it’ll begin to move from one corner to another – offering enhancements to Gloomspite Gitz units that are wholly within the board segment it’s currently shining on.

To me that seems clear that the Bad Moon moves from 1 corner to another corner around the board each turn and affecting the board quarter that includes the corner. The Diagram shows how the corner placement of the Bad Moon affects the respective board quarter. I don't think the Bad Moon ever moves out of a corner it just changes corners.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Interesting, it sounds overpowered, but because it appears to be corner to corner and divides the battlefield into 4 segments it might be that only 2 segments ever get coverage from the Bad Moon - so 50% of the battlefield over the course of the entire game. That leaves 50% free of the Bad Moon's effect, even though of that 50% only half of it (1/4 of the table) will be the opponents side.
So overall strong, but not too broken, though of course this is without any real numbers behind things (eg like damage).

The way I read GW's explanation, the Gitz player picks a corner for the Bad Moon to start in for turn 1, the Bad Moon affects the quarter of the board that includes that corner, then starting in turn 2 the Bad Moon moves to an adjacent corner, it's not clear to me if it moves clockwise or counterclockwise, so both players know where the Bad Moon is going to be and which board quarter will be affected so then it becomes a contest to see how each player can maneuver their units to maximize or minimize the impact of the Bad Moon effects on their forces.

Judging by the diagram and text, you pick a corner.
Round 1: picked corner
Round 2: centre of the quarter table
Round 3: centre of table, might affect the whole board?
Round 4: centre of the opposite corner quarter table
Round 5: opposite corner

This is a bit easier to explain with the diagram:


Assuming that Game Start location is the upper left corner:
Battle Round 1: Upper left corner
Battle Round 2: Upper right corner
Battle Round 3: Lower right corner
Battle Round 4: Lower left corner

Their explanation is that it affects moves from corner to corner.
That thing in the center? That's likely meant to represent a Loonshrine.

The effects are limited solely to Gloomspite Gitz that are "wholly within" the board segment that is being 'shone on'--barring the fragments thing which apparently affects enemy units anywhere on the battlefield(I'm thinking there is more to it than that but they didn't want to give away everything).

It lines up with the Idoneth mechanism that is 4 rounds and then 'resets'.

I haven't seen but according to someone on twitch they've confirmed hoppers are boxes of 5s...

rtb02 wrote:
I haven't seen but according to someone on twitch they've confirmed hoppers are boxes of 5s...

There's a fella doing leaks on youtube who also says they're $50 for a box of 5 and the wizardy/general model is $35USD---again, according to this fella.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkFRuUiup5I

Not sure what that guy's track record is for accuracy.

The preview images on WC are generally store page images, right? Those show the product 'as is', so 5 a box it should be.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The preview images on WC are generally store page images, right? Those show the product 'as is', so 5 a box it should be.

The problem is we've also seen this image...

 Ghaz wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The preview images on WC are generally store page images, right? Those show the product 'as is', so 5 a box it should be.

The problem is we've also seen this image...

Spoiler:

Hum... most of the models are duplicates, just with interchanged weapons and squigs.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The preview images on WC are generally store page images, right? Those show the product 'as is', so 5 a box it should be.

The problem is we've also seen this image...

Spoiler:

Hum... most of the models are duplicates, just with interchanged weapons and squigs.

Which is no different to many kits these days, Grimghast Reapers and Dreadscythe Harridans follow the duplicate sprue model, as does the entire Necromunda range and the majority of Primaris units. I'd expect it to be the norm for the most part.

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The preview images on WC are generally store page images, right? Those show the product 'as is', so 5 a box it should be.

The problem is we've also seen this image...

Spoiler:

Hum... most of the models are duplicates, just with interchanged weapons and squigs.

Which is no different to many kits these days, Grimghast Reapers and Dreadscythe Harridans follow the duplicate sprue model, as does the entire Necromunda range and the majority of Primaris units. I'd expect it to be the norm for the most part.

Yes, I'd put my money on a box of ten too - even more so when looking at the noble Goblyn Knights. With just five models it would be a colossal bitz grave. But who knows....

I'm betting a box of 5.

This is absolutely gorgeous

Im so excited for this release its just beautiful.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm betting a box of 5.

After the Chainrasp Hordes release I agree. I guess it's just hope for the best but expect the worst.

since we've got solo squigs and squig knights i'd guess we'll see a box of 10 for the former and 5 for the latter

one 'cheap' box and one 'expensive' box just like several of the recent army releases

 Ghaz wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm betting a box of 5.

After the Chainrasp Hordes release I agree. I guess it's just hope for the best but expect the worst.

You beat me to it!

But yes, given what happened to Chainrasp hordes earlier, I suspect that we'll be getting the lesser amount here as well.

$50 for 5 grots of any variety is more than I would pay. Shame really, I was interested.

 Ghaz wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm betting a box of 5.

After the Chainrasp Hordes release I agree. I guess it's just hope for the best but expect the worst.

It's funny, they still haven't figured out what to do as a way to address that. They were mentioning back in September or thereabouts that they had something "down the line" to address the Chainrasp issue.

I still think it's 10 per box, maybe with the option to build five of them as knights.

Of course, I'm in a comfortable situation to be optimistic as I don't play AoS.

What is Skragrott standing on? I hope it's a huge mount. It's probably just a giant mushroom. It looks like the back of something though. My excitement is making me delusional.

Looks to me like the edge of a cliff.

 Jjohnso11 wrote:

Spoiler:

 unmercifulconker wrote:


This is absolutely gorgeous

Im so excited for this release its just beautiful.

What is Skragrott standing on? I hope it's a huge mount. It's probably just a giant mushroom. It looks like the back of something though. My excitement is making me delusional.

Just looks like a conveniently placed cliff rock to me.

I have no doubt you guys are right. I just like over analyzing pictures like this in the event there might be some hidden gem.

If there was a mount option, it would have been in the kit showcase of him I think.

Plus he’s out next week and we know he’s like £20 so he won’t have a mount. Also they’ve said we’ve seen everything now.

 Thargrim wrote:

 Jjohnso11 wrote:

Spoiler:

 unmercifulconker wrote:


This is absolutely gorgeous

Im so excited for this release its just beautiful.

What is Skragrott standing on? I hope it's a huge mount. It's probably just a giant mushroom. It looks like the back of something though. My excitement is making me delusional.

Just looks like a conveniently placed cliff rock to me.

Convenient!? Do you know how long he spent scheming and orchestrating the battle at this exact spot, at this exact time, with the armies coming in from those exact angles!? It was a HUGE amount of effort so he could pose appropriately and I think he wouldn't appreciate you disregarding it out of hand.

So the Bad Moon move diagonally from one corner to the opposite corner that the player picks at the start of the game.

then starting on the 2nd turn it might move to the middle of the quadrant or might leave(I think on a 1 it leaves).

if it gets to the middle of the board (turn 3 earliest) it effects the whole board.

For a lot of people the difference between 5 or 10 in the box will probably be buying zero boxes/only one for hobby purposes, as opposed to an actual little army of them, so if GW goes cheap on us here they likely shoot themselves in the foot.

Looking at how small these mini's are in the Nightvault kit the price tag for 5 would be absolutely terrible regardless of all the options. I guess we will find out in two days.

Looks like that Necroquake is already having some far reaching results!

 Alpharius wrote:
Looks like that Necroquake is already having some far reaching results!

I'm a bit behind on Age of Sigmar, did the Necroquake influence the night gobbos?

I wasn't interested in this guy until I knew about the new GW grot stuff. He seems like an interesting basis for a Grot Boss on Spider proxy. Could probably use a weapon swap, but I think the lizard makes a fine substitute. Even could still be venomous!

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/goblins/product/kuzlo-madfall-mercenary-booster.html

Sorry but the mantic models look terrible next to the gw models. :(

Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

rtb02 wrote:
Sorry but the mantic models look terrible next to the gw models. :(

Depends on what you want from Goblins, the new over the top Comic style from GW does not appeal to everyone

If the those Squighoppers with medicore looking models are really just 5 for 50 I won't get them as it is too expensive for something I don't like and need to convert before I put them on the table.
For a Box of 10 I may get them if I can sell of 5 of them as more are looking too silly and I hate duplicates on large/dominate models

Anyone know anyone know who won the twitch game last night please?

I have to say, that art really drives home how much of a miss the actual troll models are for me - the basic concept looks great there.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I have to say, that art really drives home how much of a miss the actual troll models are for me - the basic concept looks great there.

How so? I love the new troll models

They have the faces of goblins though :-/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/03/gloomspite-gitz-preview-part-2-relics-spells-and-heroesgw-homepage-post-1/?fbclid=IwAR3TeelhBQg038JTyCwQMwuitSOXy-gupPeTSIVh0JQWMK2HR_6eFRkET0c#utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=AoS&utm_content=AoSGloomspiteRelicsJan3

I love how the Troggoth might

The spells and artifacts are looking pretty good too. Hand Of Gork in particular.


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 Arnizipal wrote:
They have the faces of goblins though :-/

I actively like this aspect of them. It creates a unifying theme whilst retaining the individuality of the separate units.

I like it. The troggoth eating his artefact is amazing. Hand of Gork seems fun and useful, and some interesting relics for the gobbos, unique too. Looking good so far, excited to see the warscrolls

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I have to say, that art really drives home how much of a miss the actual troll models are for me - the basic concept looks great there.

How so? I love the new troll models

The artwork is a rendering of the concept that is good, the models are - IMO obviously - a rendering of the concept that is not. The proportions are more extreme on the models, the details too sharp, the transitions too stark. And I get why they are, it's a result of the medium and to make them easier to get a solid tabletop paintjob on, but it just doesn't work for me - the version in the artwork is a modernised update of the charming but outdated classic Stone Trolls, it loses some of the charm but does a good job of updating the aesthetic, but the models have a toy-like/cartoonish quality to them.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I have to say, that art really drives home how much of a miss the actual troll models are for me - the basic concept looks great there.

How so? I love the new troll models

The artwork is a rendering of the concept that is good, the models are - IMO obviously - a rendering of the concept that is not. The proportions are more extreme on the models, the details too sharp, the transitions too stark. And I get why they are, it's a result of the medium and to make them easier to get a solid tabletop paintjob on, but it just doesn't work for me - the version in the artwork is a modernised update of the charming but outdated classic Stone Trolls, it loses some of the charm but does a good job of updating the aesthetic, but the models have a toy-like/cartoonish quality to them.

Yeah that's fair, they have a stylised look to them. I quite like it personally but it's definitely not that old school gritty look. I'm sure you could get a lot of that back in there though with how you paint them, GW's ones are a little too clean for me, I'd like to see them roughed up a lot more

I like the details on the trolls, but the proportions are a tad too cartoony for my liking.

 Crimson wrote:
I like the details on the trolls, but the proportions are a tad too cartoony for my liking.

same for me, will avoid the new ones and use hag and fellwater which I like

The old Rockgut Trolls look more cartoony than the new ones to me.
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99060209206_StoneTrollAxeandRockNEW01.jpg

Yeah I think I'm going to try to buy as many variations as I can to try to make the army look more diverse. Not sure that'll look good or bad though. I'll see I guess. I already have one from the old Battle for Skull Pass box set.

 Alexonian wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I like the details on the trolls, but the proportions are a tad too cartoony for my liking.

same for me, will avoid the new ones and use hag and fellwater which I like

The Dankholds are specifically called out as eating a kind of fungus that grows within seams of Realmstone and causes their unnatural size compared to other Troggoths.

Why can't they make trolls like these :|

They...do?

That art came with the river troll plastic kit when it came out, iirc (or was heavily reused at that point). That kit hasn't gone away, and things like the skull 'axe' and the vomit are part of the kit.

Don't forget a lot of the "cartoony" can come down to painting style. Nurgle models show this really well and the same model can be equally the stuff of pure nightmare or cartoony. GW tends to err toward the latter in their display photos.

I think this is partly because they are formally advertising the model and thus was the greatest potential appeal to parents and kids as well as adults; but I also think its because many of the more brutal and gruesome and "real" painting methods are often more advanced and complex. On the surface I think GW aims to achieve a studio scheme that isn't too far into the advanced regions that basic beginners can't mimic. Because chances are those studio schemes are what many first time players and collectors are going to choose to paint.

Part of their paint choices also revolve around how well things photograph.

They want to show off details in the photos, as that's the main advertising vector (the grey sprues sealed in a box don't attract the same kind of attention).

Voss wrote:

That art came with the river troll plastic kit when it came out,

the Art is 2 editions older and the plastic river trolls do not really look like the artwork

Voss wrote:
Part of their paint choices also revolve around how well things photograph.

They want to show off details in the photos, as that's the main advertising vector (the grey sprues sealed in a box don't attract the same kind of attention).

Aye its something I wish a lot of other model companies would cotton onto. There are loads who don't even bother to show an actual model today and show a 3D sculpt. That's fine for a pre-release, but once you've got actual models i'd far rather see marketing material with actual photos of actual models and ideally painted ones. There is no denying if you put two websites up - one with nothing or only 3D previews and another with clear well taken photos of painted minis the latter is going to look and likely sell better

 Overread wrote:

Aye its something I wish a lot of other model companies would cotton onto. There are loads who don't even bother to show an actual model today and show a 3D sculpt. That's fine for a pre-release, but once you've got actual models i'd far rather see marketing material with actual photos of actual models and ideally painted ones. There is no denying if you put two websites up - one with nothing or only 3D previews and another with clear well taken photos of painted minis the latter is going to look and likely sell better

This is a problem. To this day, I don't think I've ever seen an official picture of what Malifaux would look like on the table. Also, I'd like Infinity to use paint schemes that us mortals have a chance of pulling off.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Aye its something I wish a lot of other model companies would cotton onto. There are loads who don't even bother to show an actual model today and show a 3D sculpt. That's fine for a pre-release, but once you've got actual models i'd far rather see marketing material with actual photos of actual models and ideally painted ones. There is no denying if you put two websites up - one with nothing or only 3D previews and another with clear well taken photos of painted minis the latter is going to look and likely sell better

This is a problem. To this day, I don't think I've ever seen an official picture of what Malifaux would look like on the table. Also, I'd like Infinity to use paint schemes that us mortals have a chance of pulling off.

Especially since Infinity models are very thin and small to start with! Their photography and product display is great, but yeah its a range I'd honestly say is well aimed at the experienced rather than the novice.

 Overread wrote:

Especially since Infinity models are very thin and small to start with! Their photography and product display is great, but yeah its a range I'd honestly say is well aimed at the experienced rather than the novice.

It's also worth mentioning that a large amount of the detail for faces and things like that isn't actually there and is painted on. It's crazy at times.

 CragHack wrote:
Why can't they make trolls like these :|

Spoiler:

Because they'd be the size of greater daemons and cost £80 each.

I think the Fellwater Troggoths have that general appearance but they're also very fat looking. I think a slimmer Fellwater Troggoth model would look much better.

The artwork Rockgut troggoth certainly have a better muscular bodies than the skinny blank bellies one from the kit.

I will accept Trolls of all shapes and sizes, whether they work out or not.

Troll body shaming is an injustice.

The new Rock Trolls are great IMO.

Considering they all could've ended up like the Underworlds Troggoth, this is a great result that's nostalgic for the original Rock Trolls (which were no less goofy!).

 Alexonian wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I like the details on the trolls, but the proportions are a tad too cartoony for my liking.

same for me, will avoid the new ones and use hag and fellwater which I like

I mean, too each their own but it always seems weird to me when people take issue with stuff in 40k/AoS/WHFB being 'cartoony'. The whole setting's cartoony and over the top. Cartoonish-nesh is to Warhammer what keeping television shows running long after all of the ideas have dried up is to the CW.

 Jjohnso11 wrote:
I think the Fellwater Troggoths have that general appearance but they're also very fat looking. I think a slimmer Fellwater Troggoth model would look much better.

I think the current river trolls fellwater troggoths were a mix of the earlier mentioned art piece from 6th edition and the classic metal models (which were also rather chubby).

The 3rd preview is late! Please be soon or I'll have to *grimaces* sleep before reading it and that'd be preposterous! I need to sleep to the sweet info fix!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/04/4th-jan-gloomspite-gitz-preview-3-warscrollsgw-homepage-post-1/

Warscrolls preview is up!

So 10 boingrot bounders on charge should do around 5 mortal wounds from their impact, then 40 attacks (wounding on 3s for first turn) which could go to wounding on 2s with loonboss on mangler buff. Truly Bretonnia has returned.

Some fun looking rules there. No idea how good/bad/overpowered they are, but the trollboss seems hilarious.

Yep I'm happy with how they're looking. Also love the Loonboss on Mangler Squigs. His visor covering his eyes, and the other Grot holding onto him, the snotling trying to bail and leap off. The coolness is too much. Also the rules look sweet

The Trogboss looks like it will be a dual kit with the normal Dankhold Troggoth, right?





I like the paint scheme on the Dankhold Troggoth wayyyyy better, but it might be awesome to mix and match the different kit options shown

The skull tied to his head isnt doing it for me... everything else is great.

 RiTides wrote:
The Trogboss looks like it will be a dual kit with the normal Dankhold Troggoth, right?

Spoiler:

I like the paint scheme on the Dankhold Troggoth wayyyyy better, but it might be awesome to mix and match the different kit options shown

It looks like his thumbs are sinking into his fingers. Like the sculptor just closed up an open hand in CAD and didn't amend the anatomy. If the finished kit is actually like that I won't be buying one.

 RiTides wrote:
The Trogboss looks like it will be a dual kit with the normal Dankhold Troggoth, right?





I like the paint scheme on the Dankhold Troggoth wayyyyy better, but it might be awesome to mix and match the different kit options shown

Yeah, looks mainly like an arm and head swap, as well as some details like his back bits and crushing a centipede instead of holding the hammer and all that. I think I much prefer the composition of the normal one's pose more, I'm not a big fan of this alternate build. Luckily I'm gunna use something else as da boss so I'll be happy building him as a normal Dank Meem Troll

The arm that is held low on both models is identical (looking at the barnacles / etc) so I guess the joint is either at the wrist or the weapon itself?

The other arm is interesting because the shoulder barnacles are different - I can't tell if it's the same arm just assembled differently, or a different arm, and where the shoulder joint is...

The Troggboss can break unit coherency with his Crushing Grip. Excellent fluff there.

I thought it was pouring something out onto its head at first.

Absolutely amazing stuff... Have a soft spot for gobbos, Skarsnick and a few others were the first models I ever felt I painted well when I was a kid, these are tempting me...

Oh em gee the dangling spider!! I wants it.

I do not like the style of the trolls at all. And yeah, the thumb phasing through the fingers looks really bad. I don't know how that made it into production like that. Seems really sloppy.

Any idea what species the skull by his loin cloth is; the one that looks like a Cylon helmet?

 Unix wrote:
Any idea what species the skull by his loin cloth is; the one that looks like a Cylon helmet?

Most likely Orruk.

I can't wait for the plethora of mushrooms to hit all the bits sellers.

Fungus! Fungus as far as the eye can see!

Not a huge fan of the tiny torso/ elongated limbs look, but the big troll is still pretty cool.
They're such a fantasy staple I imagine even if I don't use a pure Goblin force in Sigmar I can get a lot of traction out of this release!

The thumb isn't passing through the fingers - it's just got big, swollen knuckles. Look at the other fingers. The thumb is sitting in the groove formed by the knuckles.

 Ghaz wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm betting a box of 5.

After the Chainrasp Hordes release I agree. I guess it's just hope for the best but expect the worst.

You lost your bet.

Confirmed box of 10 squig hoppers from GW Website

This set builds 10 Squig Hoppers or 10 Boingrot Bounderz, and includes a huge variety of options for customisation. Heads, weapons, riders and squigs are all interchangeable, meaning that no two models need look alike, even in the hugest of hordes.

This kit is supplied in 140 components and contains 10 x 32mm round bases.

Huzzah!

I guessed wrong too, and am delighted to have been proved so

Very good to hear.

On the rules preview front, the faction looks like an absolute powerhouse, depending on points costs of course.

It will be interesting to see how hard they made it to separate the Mangler Squigs, as I'm sure it was actually part of the design brief to make it harder than it needs to be.


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Hold up... can someone tell me what in the bad moon is up with the Mangler Squig's damage table?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Very good to hear.

On the rules preview front, the faction looks like an absolute powerhouse, depending on points costs of course.

It will be interesting to see how hard they made it to separate the Mangler Squigs, as I'm sure it was actually part of the design brief to make it harder than it needs to be.


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Hold up... can someone tell me what in the bad moon is up with the Mangler Squig's damage table?

Given you can pose them in two different ways it's probably very easy.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm betting a box of 5.

After the Chainrasp Hordes release I agree. I guess it's just hope for the best but expect the worst.

You lost your bet.

Confirmed box of 10 squig hoppers from GW Website

You say that like I wanted to win...

I want lots of Squigs and lots of Troggoths. If only the two could be mashed together to create some sort of “Squiggoth”...

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I want lots of Squigs and lots of Troggoths. If only the two could be mashed together to create some sort of “Squiggoth”...

There’s another Ironjawz unit...

Based upon regional equivalencies, it would appear that the AUD$ prices will be somewhere around:

Terrain piece AUD$98
The Squig Herd AUD$78
Squig Riders AUD$84
Fanatics AUD$70

And I cannot tell if the regular Night Goblin unit prices have gone up or just have 50% more people.

NewZealand GW website is updated with the first big wave of stuff!

Looks like Forge World has updated the warscrolls for the Troggoth Hag, Squig Gobba and the Colossal Squig for use with the Gloomspite Gitz.

 RiTides wrote:
The arm that is held low on both models is identical (looking at the barnacles / etc) so I guess the joint is either at the wrist or the weapon itself?

The other arm is interesting because the shoulder barnacles are different - I can't tell if it's the same arm just assembled differently, or a different arm, and where the shoulder joint is...

At the wrist.
The hand is different in detailing.

The right arm, perhaps two different arms entirely yeah.
Maybe even a third right option, or a second left arm.
Though likely just at the wrists for them too..

Squig herd got a slight nurf(?) by the look of it. 2 attacks, but no d3 dmg anymore. And the Squig herders got a nurf as they no longer buff the unit as much but got a buff to be hidden within the unit. I think I prefer them to how they were, works with the logic of the bounders too, doing the same attacks instead of being different.

Warcrolls have been updated for the existing Spiderfang units:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/AoS_Gloomspite_Gitz_WSCards_Scuttleboss.pdf

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/AoS_Gloomspite_Gitz_WSCards_Webspinner_Shaman_on_Arachnarok_Spider.pdf
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/AoS_Gloomspite_Gitz_WSCards_Arachnarok_Spider_with_Spiderfang_Warparty.pdf
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/AoS_Gloomspite_Gitz_WSCards_Arachnarok_Spider_with_Flinger.pdf
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/AoS_Gloomspite_Gitz_WSCards_Webspinner%20Shaman.pdf
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/AoS_Gloomspite_Gitz_WSCards_Skitterstrand_Arachnarok.pdf

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls//aos-warscroll-grot-spider-riders-en.pdf