Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Chaos Knights should never been a codex to begin with. That codex is an embarrassing piece of material as bad as the Legion of the Damned "codex" that came out in 6th. In reality there should've just been like 10 or so extra pages in the regular Imperial Knights codex for minor fluff and how to switch/add keywords to get Chaos Knights. Let them keep the same households and Freeblade garbage and relics/strats, just make it so they're Chaos instead.
Now that would be more convenient and make more sense than how they did it now.
Agreed.
Chaos knights, LotD, and all the other codexes with 1-3 units should not exist as codexes
I have zero problems with the units or factions existing. With dataslates in boxes, online, or WD we can get the rules we need to play them. Fluff can be found online, or BL, or WD. But the 30-50 bucks for a book to field one thing is crazy. Wait until you can have something to stick in every slot in the FOC, with a spare option or two before you graduate into a full codex. With GW being more free with random mini drops, rather then waiting for big splash waves, we don’t need a book for everything. Or stick them in campaign/compilation/CA books.
But the mono-unit codexes from 7th were an abomination.
And yet we have how many devoted "Supplement" codexes for Marines with how many unique Units in them........
Not sure about the new Ad Mech - great to see new units but not sure - be great for a Wild Wild West style game like Deadlands - big question will they finally get a Skitarii HQ!
bananathug wrote: Makes sense that Custodes would get a codex 2.0 since half their army isn't in their original codex.
So what PLASTIC stuff isn't in original codex? Any FW resin units wont be in 2.0 codex period.
Probably not. But fw units will be getting new rules soon.
indeed, I hope this means FW armires (like DKK) get codex level rules.
And r&h! There's the traitor guard rumour right there.
actually I hope R&H DOESN'T get that level of support specificly because I hope it means we get plastic traitor guard instead
Well of course they'll be plastic. Fw doesn't make r&h models anymore, not even the conversion kits. But we do have plastic traitor guard from bf. (And a totally awesome zoat now too).
But if they make plastic R&H they'll be in a R&H codex, not a FW rules compilation. If they turn up in the FW books, we don't get plastic R&H is the theory.
considering we see now BSF traitor guard, and them beeing rather reseved, i'd imagine they'd be making a Traitor guard / R&H / Lost and the damned army at some point.
MAybee they just throw out a dex in that case and call it a day.
bananathug wrote: Makes sense that Custodes would get a codex 2.0 since half their army isn't in their original codex.
So what PLASTIC stuff isn't in original codex? Any FW resin units wont be in 2.0 codex period.
Probably not. But fw units will be getting new rules soon.
indeed, I hope this means FW armires (like DKK) get codex level rules.
And r&h! There's the traitor guard rumour right there.
actually I hope R&H DOESN'T get that level of support specificly because I hope it means we get plastic traitor guard instead
Well of course they'll be plastic. Fw doesn't make r&h models anymore, not even the conversion kits. But we do have plastic traitor guard from bf. (And a totally awesome zoat now too).
But if they make plastic R&H they'll be in a R&H codex, not a FW rules compilation. If they turn up in the FW books, we don't get plastic R&H is the theory.
Then explain plastic mark 3, mark 4, cataphractii, and tartoros terminators? Plastic models for a fw game that uses primarily resin models. (Yes I know they can be used in 40k as well I have plenty of each in my Night Lords. )
bananathug wrote: Makes sense that Custodes would get a codex 2.0 since half their army isn't in their original codex.
So what PLASTIC stuff isn't in original codex? Any FW resin units wont be in 2.0 codex period.
Probably not. But fw units will be getting new rules soon.
indeed, I hope this means FW armires (like DKK) get codex level rules.
And r&h! There's the traitor guard rumour right there.
actually I hope R&H DOESN'T get that level of support specificly because I hope it means we get plastic traitor guard instead
Well of course they'll be plastic. Fw doesn't make r&h models anymore, not even the conversion kits. But we do have plastic traitor guard from bf. (And a totally awesome zoat now too).
But if they make plastic R&H they'll be in a R&H codex, not a FW rules compilation. If they turn up in the FW books, we don't get plastic R&H is the theory.
Then explain plastic mark 3, mark 4, cataphractii, and tartoros terminators? Plastic models for a fw game that uses primarily resin models. (Yes I know they can be used in 40k as well I have plenty of each in my Night Lords. )
They were an experiment to try and expand the player base into 30k, they were 30k branded boxes and it was an intentional coincidence the models overlap with 40k. There were no 40k rules for cataphractii etc. before hand.
GW main studio won't launch a full range of new plastic kits without giving them a codex. This may be that happening admittedly but R&H or corsairs etc appearing in a "FW units" book isn't a good sign for a full plastic army.
bananathug wrote: Makes sense that Custodes would get a codex 2.0 since half their army isn't in their original codex.
So what PLASTIC stuff isn't in original codex? Any FW resin units wont be in 2.0 codex period.
Probably not. But fw units will be getting new rules soon.
indeed, I hope this means FW armires (like DKK) get codex level rules.
And r&h! There's the traitor guard rumour right there.
actually I hope R&H DOESN'T get that level of support specificly because I hope it means we get plastic traitor guard instead
Well of course they'll be plastic. Fw doesn't make r&h models anymore, not even the conversion kits. But we do have plastic traitor guard from bf. (And a totally awesome zoat now too).
But if they make plastic R&H they'll be in a R&H codex, not a FW rules compilation. If they turn up in the FW books, we don't get plastic R&H is the theory.
Then explain plastic mark 3, mark 4, cataphractii, and tartoros terminators? Plastic models for a fw game that uses primarily resin models. (Yes I know they can be used in 40k as well I have plenty of each in my Night Lords. )
They were an experiment to try and expand the player base into 30k, they were 30k branded boxes and it was an intentional coincidence the models overlap with 40k. There were no 40k rules for cataphractii etc. before hand.
GW main studio won't launch a full range of new plastic kits without giving them a codex. This may be that happening admittedly but R&H or corsairs etc appearing in a "FW units" book isn't a good sign for a full plastic army.
So they won't make new rough riders, but they will put out skittari on cyber steeds. I mean unless they are are something off the wall I'll pick them up, but man, just make my rough riders already. Dang GW.
bananathug wrote: Makes sense that Custodes would get a codex 2.0 since half their army isn't in their original codex.
So what PLASTIC stuff isn't in original codex? Any FW resin units wont be in 2.0 codex period.
Probably not. But fw units will be getting new rules soon.
indeed, I hope this means FW armires (like DKK) get codex level rules.
And r&h! There's the traitor guard rumour right there.
actually I hope R&H DOESN'T get that level of support specificly because I hope it means we get plastic traitor guard instead
Well of course they'll be plastic. Fw doesn't make r&h models anymore, not even the conversion kits. But we do have plastic traitor guard from bf. (And a totally awesome zoat now too).
But if they make plastic R&H they'll be in a R&H codex, not a FW rules compilation. If they turn up in the FW books, we don't get plastic R&H is the theory.
Then explain plastic mark 3, mark 4, cataphractii, and tartoros terminators? Plastic models for a fw game that uses primarily resin models. (Yes I know they can be used in 40k as well I have plenty of each in my Night Lords. )
They were an experiment to try and expand the player base into 30k, they were 30k branded boxes and it was an intentional coincidence the models overlap with 40k. There were no 40k rules for cataphractii etc. before hand.
GW main studio won't launch a full range of new plastic kits without giving them a codex. This may be that happening admittedly but R&H or corsairs etc appearing in a "FW units" book isn't a good sign for a full plastic army.
We have not yet the contents of the books though?
Well no, but the entire discussion here is whether a FW book = new plastic renegades and heretics if they're included.
Although as it doesn't relate to PA we should park it really.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Chaos Knights should never been a codex to begin with. That codex is an embarrassing piece of material as bad as the Legion of the Damned "codex" that came out in 6th. In reality there should've just been like 10 or so extra pages in the regular Imperial Knights codex for minor fluff and how to switch/add keywords to get Chaos Knights. Let them keep the same households and Freeblade garbage and relics/strats, just make it so they're Chaos instead.
Now that would be more convenient and make more sense than how they did it now.
Agreed.
Chaos knights, LotD, and all the other codexes with 1-3 units should not exist as codexes
I have zero problems with the units or factions existing. With dataslates in boxes, online, or WD we can get the rules we need to play them. Fluff can be found online, or BL, or WD. But the 30-50 bucks for a book to field one thing is crazy. Wait until you can have something to stick in every slot in the FOC, with a spare option or two before you graduate into a full codex. With GW being more free with random mini drops, rather then waiting for big splash waves, we don’t need a book for everything. Or stick them in campaign/compilation/CA books.
But the mono-unit codexes from 7th were an abomination.
And yet we have how many devoted "Supplement" codexes for Marines with how many unique Units in them........
Not sure about the new Ad Mech - great to see new units but not sure - be great for a Wild Wild West style game like Deadlands - big question will they finally get a Skitarii HQ!
And as you're probably aware I'm absolutely against the Marine supplements too.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Chaos Knights should never been a codex to begin with. That codex is an embarrassing piece of material as bad as the Legion of the Damned "codex" that came out in 6th. In reality there should've just been like 10 or so extra pages in the regular Imperial Knights codex for minor fluff and how to switch/add keywords to get Chaos Knights. Let them keep the same households and Freeblade garbage and relics/strats, just make it so they're Chaos instead.
Now that would be more convenient and make more sense than how they did it now.
except many many people had been ASKING for chaos knights, so clearly you're view is in the minority
My view is not a minority. Did you read the post or just kinda decide I said "Chaos Knights should not exist", even though fat wasn't said? That "codex" is embarrassing, period.
p5freak wrote: They went from two factions per book to three, and in the future there will be four. Less pages for each faction, meaning less new rules. Also, as a daemon player, i have to pay for rules from other factions which i dont want. Thanks, GW.
On the other hand, there's a bunch of space in each book that won't have to be taken up by reprints of all the datasheets for the Shadowspear Primaris stuff, meaning there's an opportunity to fill that room with other rules.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Chaos Knights should never been a codex to begin with. That codex is an embarrassing piece of material as bad as the Legion of the Damned "codex" that came out in 6th. In reality there should've just been like 10 or so extra pages in the regular Imperial Knights codex for minor fluff and how to switch/add keywords to get Chaos Knights. Let them keep the same households and Freeblade garbage and relics/strats, just make it so they're Chaos instead.
Now that would be more convenient and make more sense than how they did it now.
except many many people had been ASKING for chaos knights, so clearly you're view is in the minority
I have to imagine that the people asking for a Chaos Knights codex were vastly outnumbered, hundreds to one, by the people that weren't asking for a CK codex.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Chaos Knights should never been a codex to begin with. That codex is an embarrassing piece of material as bad as the Legion of the Damned "codex" that came out in 6th. In reality there should've just been like 10 or so extra pages in the regular Imperial Knights codex for minor fluff and how to switch/add keywords to get Chaos Knights. Let them keep the same households and Freeblade garbage and relics/strats, just make it so they're Chaos instead.
Now that would be more convenient and make more sense than how they did it now.
except many many people had been ASKING for chaos knights, so clearly you're view is in the minority
I have to imagine that the people asking for a Chaos Knights codex were vastly outnumbered, hundreds to one, by the people that weren't asking for a CK codex.
Is an absence of request a disapproval of concept now?
I like the new previews. No space marines stuff is a treat. The new Mechanicus stuff is very new and unexpected, I like that! I wish they were that inspired for new stuff when they added new units to Sisters of Battle instead of “Seraphim, but all with the same weapons as the superior” and “Penitent engine, but slightly different rules”.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I wish they were that inspired for new stuff when they added new units to Sisters of Battle instead of “Seraphim, but all with the same weapons as the superior” and “Penitent engine, but slightly different rules”.
And like clockwork, the Sisters player is already complaining about the new army that just came out. Absolutely magical.
After engine wars we are left with that were said to get new rules and have yet to get PA stuff:
SoB Custodians
Imperial guard
Deathwatch
Clowns
Necrons
Now, one of these is going to be in Saga of the Beast-but unless we get another army making a surprise appearance, we are going to have really odd last book or 2.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Chaos Knights should never been a codex to begin with. That codex is an embarrassing piece of material as bad as the Legion of the Damned "codex" that came out in 6th. In reality there should've just been like 10 or so extra pages in the regular Imperial Knights codex for minor fluff and how to switch/add keywords to get Chaos Knights. Let them keep the same households and Freeblade garbage and relics/strats, just make it so they're Chaos instead.
Now that would be more convenient and make more sense than how they did it now.
except many many people had been ASKING for chaos knights, so clearly you're view is in the minority
I have to imagine that the people asking for a Chaos Knights codex were vastly outnumbered, hundreds to one, by the people that weren't asking for a CK codex.
Is an absence of request a disapproval of concept now?
No. It's a conjecture based on lack of evidence. The clue to what I meant is in the words I used to say it ("I imagine"). I suppose the supposition that he's in the minority backed by some wealth of credible data?
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I wish they were that inspired for new stuff when they added new units to Sisters of Battle instead of “Seraphim, but all with the same weapons as the superior” and “Penitent engine, but slightly different rules”.
And like clockwork, the Sisters player is already complaining about the new army that just came out. Absolutely magical.
Go complain about Australian prices elsewhere H.B.M.C.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I wish they were that inspired for new stuff when they added new units to Sisters of Battle instead of “Seraphim, but all with the same weapons as the superior” and “Penitent engine, but slightly different rules”.
And like clockwork, the Sisters player is already complaining about the new army that just came out. Absolutely magical.
Go complain about Australian prices elsewhere H.B.M.C.
I mean he's not exactly wrong. The sisters release is more revamping and re-releasing the entire metal model range, moreso than adding completely new units like the SM releases usually are. And given that you already got your own Grail Reliquary equivalent unit, a brand new special character with their own pulpit AND your own terrain piece, I think that should tide you over until they come back to add more to their range at a later date.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I wish they were that inspired for new stuff when they added new units to Sisters of Battle instead of “Seraphim, but all with the same weapons as the superior” and “Penitent engine, but slightly different rules”.
And like clockwork, the Sisters player is already complaining about the new army that just came out. Absolutely magical.
Go complain about Australian prices elsewhere H.B.M.C.
I mean he's not exactly wrong. The sisters release is more revamping and re-releasing the entire metal model range, moreso than adding completely new units like the SM releases usually are. And given that you already got your own Grail Reliquary equivalent unit, a brand new special character with their own pulpit AND your own terrain piece, I think that should tide you over until they come back to add more to their range at a later date.
But they did add a few bits. Just because they finally got round to doing them, doesn’t mean that people have to be 100% happy with everything about the release. I don’t see the harm in someone saying ‘I wish the new bits they’d added had been a little bit more imaginative’.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I wish they were that inspired for new stuff when they added new units to Sisters of Battle instead of “Seraphim, but all with the same weapons as the superior” and “Penitent engine, but slightly different rules”.
And like clockwork, the Sisters player is already complaining about the new army that just came out. Absolutely magical.
Go complain about Australian prices elsewhere H.B.M.C.
1-2 of those other factions could also show up in PA6, leaving 4-5 factions to go.
IG may be against Orks too? It's a classic match up. Though I'd be worried then that there'll be very few rules pages for Orks or IG if they have to sit in a marine supplement together.
I don't think Sisters are getting more PA rules. Their codex was their PA release and they featured as the FnF map object.
That leaves Custodes, Deathwatch, Harlies and Crons. Crons are getting their silent king that could be the largest release of the campaign. In fact it could potentially herald a new faction. There seem to be too many Imperium armies left. Particularly if IG don't feature in PA6. In that case I could see a Custodes vs Necrons vs Harlies PA then a final Deathwatch and IG vs New Silent King faction that the previous PA sets up.
1-2 of those other factions could also show up in PA6, leaving 4-5 factions to go.
IG may be against Orks too? It's a classic match up. Though I'd be worried then that there'll be very few rules pages for Orks or IG if they have to sit in a marine supplement together.
I don't think Sisters are getting more PA rules. Their codex was their PA release and they featured as the FnF map object.
That leaves Custodes, Deathwatch, Harlies and Crons. Crons are getting their silent king that could be the largest release of the campaign. In fact it could potentially herald a new faction. There seem to be too many Imperium armies left. Particularly if IG don't feature in PA6. In that case I could see a Custodes vs Necrons vs Harlies PA then a final Deathwatch and IG vs New Silent King faction that the previous PA sets up.
I tend to agree, Sisters codex release and box set counts as the PA update for them, on one hand it sucks as sisters could certainly use some additional stuff ("make a minor order" rules would be a nice touch) on the other hand the SOB codex just being released likely means they didn't have time to do new rules etc for sisters in a supplement, or if we got anything it would be material cut from the codex (like the space marine rules in PA2 clearly where)
BrianDavion wrote: I tend to agree, Sisters codex release and box set counts as the PA update for them, on one hand it sucks as sisters could certainly use some additional stuff ("make a minor order" rules would be a nice touch) on the other hand the SOB codex just being released likely means they didn't have time to do new rules etc for sisters in a supplement, or if we got anything it would be material cut from the codex (like the space marine rules in PA2 clearly where)
I thought Sisters got a "v2" codex with their rules? They have special rules if the army is fully Sisters etc. Seems to me they're already up to speed insofar as rules are concerned excluding perhaps build your own order but that doesn't tend to be given to Imperials at the moment.
BrianDavion wrote: I tend to agree, Sisters codex release and box set counts as the PA update for them, on one hand it sucks as sisters could certainly use some additional stuff ("make a minor order" rules would be a nice touch) on the other hand the SOB codex just being released likely means they didn't have time to do new rules etc for sisters in a supplement, or if we got anything it would be material cut from the codex (like the space marine rules in PA2 clearly where)
I thought Sisters got a "v2" codex with their rules? They have special rules if the army is fully Sisters etc. Seems to me they're already up to speed insofar as rules are concerned excluding perhaps build your own order but that doesn't tend to be given to Imperials at the moment.
Space Marines got "build a subfaction" rules in their codex. true we haven't seen it for dark angels etc. but I imagine GW assumes if a blood angels or dark angels sucessor is sufficantly differant from their home chapter to have developed their own chapter tactics then you should proably just use vanilla marines as your codex.
Sisters did get a "mono-faction bonus" true. and I'm largely content. the one thing they're missing that some factions in PA have gotten are greater rules for subfactions. It's not a big deal and as someone starting a sisters army I'm happy with what sisters have, but don't get me wrong if GW pulled me aside told me they where considering doing PA with sisters rules and asked me to do a proposal for some ideas for new things to give them I absolutely could give em a buncha ideas
But I could do that for any faction. well.. except space marines, the only things I could possiably want for them would require new models.
BrianDavion wrote: I tend to agree, Sisters codex release and box set counts as the PA update for them, on one hand it sucks as sisters could certainly use some additional stuff ("make a minor order" rules would be a nice touch) on the other hand the SOB codex just being released likely means they didn't have time to do new rules etc for sisters in a supplement, or if we got anything it would be material cut from the codex (like the space marine rules in PA2 clearly where)
I thought Sisters got a "v2" codex with their rules? They have special rules if the army is fully Sisters etc. Seems to me they're already up to speed insofar as rules are concerned excluding perhaps build your own order but that doesn't tend to be given to Imperials at the moment.
Space Marines got "build a subfaction" rules in their codex. true we haven't seen it for dark angels etc. but I imagine GW assumes if a blood angels or dark angels sucessor is sufficantly differant from their home chapter to have developed their own chapter tactics then you should proably just use vanilla marines as your codex.
Sisters did get a "mono-faction bonus" true. and I'm largely content. the one thing they're missing that some factions in PA have gotten are greater rules for subfactions. It's not a big deal and as someone starting a sisters army I'm happy with what sisters have, but don't get me wrong if GW pulled me aside told me they where considering doing PA with sisters rules and asked me to do a proposal for some ideas for new things to give them I absolutely could give em a buncha ideas
But I could do that for any faction. well.. except space marines, the only things I could possiably want for them would require new models.
Pa has helped the various sub factions feel more like themselves.... until you run out of cp. Once the cp runs out my Night Lords go right back to being space marines with spikes and lightning bolts on their armour. That's something c:sm has on everyone else, the various chapters feel like themselves even without strategems. Hopefully that'll get better with the next round of codexes.
the units we got are double kits of units, so we wheren't going to get anything more "original" (read: entirely new kits)
truthfully the triumph and the battle pulpit both suprise me as they're genuinely new sculpts (god I wish the Pulpit was a generic HQ)
Danny76 wrote: I think I need someone to colour this image, I can’t see that arm and hand not being an Orks, even though yes the tech both seem more Imperial..
Vehicle crew models on nauts and battlewagons have very similar binoculars to that - it might very well be an ork.
Danny76 wrote: I think I need someone to colour this image, I can’t see that arm and hand not being an Orks, even though yes the tech both seem more Imperial..
Vehicle crew models on nauts and battlewagons have very similar binoculars to that - it might very well be an ork.
Might as well call it 'da rummor engine' at this point?
nagash42 wrote: Didn't faith and fury show the guard symbol in it?
Seeing guard got nothing there that hardly count as pa book for them. Or where's either rules or models for them?
Yea I'm not convinced the Guard symbol was in the FnF marketing but either way Guard got nothing from that book. I think its fair to expect they get more.
Danny76 wrote: I think I need someone to colour this image, I can’t see that arm and hand not being an Orks, even though yes the tech both seem more Imperial..
Vehicle crew models on nauts and battlewagons have very similar binoculars to that - it might very well be an ork.
yeah Guard'll get something, they appered in F&F but honestly I expect theylll apper in most books where the IoM is active, but the book that gives them stuff will, presumably be saved for a book when their involvement is something other then a soruce of padded casualties for the IoM while the Marines get all the glory
Yea I'm not convinced the Guard symbol was in the FnF marketing but either way Guard got nothing from that book. I think its fair to expect they get more.
Alongside FnF they did a graphic titled 'new rules for these guys' which only mentioned marines. I think i linked to it an the last page.
It didn't include Guard or Sisters, and both of those were mentioned in the original 'new rules for all these codexes' graphic at the start of psychic awakening. It's reasonable to assume they will both get something eventually.
Danny76 wrote: I think I need someone to colour this image, I can’t see that arm and hand not being an Orks, even though yes the tech both seem more Imperial..
Vehicle crew models on nauts and battlewagons have very similar binoculars to that - it might very well be an ork.
Yea I'm not convinced the Guard symbol was in the FnF marketing but either way Guard got nothing from that book. I think its fair to expect they get more.
Alongside FnF they did a graphic titled 'new rules for these guys' which only mentioned marines. I think i linked to it an the last page.
It didn't include Guard or Sisters, and both of those were mentioned in the original 'new rules for all these codexes' graphic at the start of psychic awakening. It's reasonable to assume they will both get something eventually.
I distinctly remember the Sisters logo featuring prominently during FnF so I'm not convinced on them. IG agreed will get more. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If Sisters are getting something more in PA, it would leave something 4 IOM factions vs 2 Xenos factions, one of which is Harlequins. Can't see it myself.
Danny76 wrote: I think I need someone to colour this image, I can’t see that arm and hand not being an Orks, even though yes the tech both seem more Imperial..
Vehicle crew models on nauts and battlewagons have very similar binoculars to that - it might very well be an ork.
Orks have big claws that that hand doesn’t have.
May well be the angle of the pic and/or saturation. Also worth noting that the fingers of newer Ork kits have much less prominent claws.
Danny76 wrote: I think I need someone to colour this image, I can’t see that arm and hand not being an Orks, even though yes the tech both seem more Imperial..
Vehicle crew models on nauts and battlewagons have very similar binoculars to that - it might very well be an ork.
Orks have big claws that that hand doesn’t have.
May well be the angle of the pic and/or saturation. Also worth noting that the fingers of newer Ork kits have much less prominent claws.
The way the hand is in the rumour engine photo, you’d see the claws. And the hands of the Orks on the vehicle kits that I can actually see from the website, still have claws that would be visible in the rumour engine pic.
ImAGeek wrote: The way the hand is in the rumour engine photo, you’d see the claws. And the hands of the Orks on the vehicle kits that I can actually see from the website, still have claws that would be visible in the rumour engine pic.
I disagree. Either way - we'll find out one way or another soon enough and this isn't the topic for Rumour Engine discussion. This discussion is PA.
Yea I'm not convinced the Guard symbol was in the FnF marketing but either way Guard got nothing from that book. I think its fair to expect they get more.
Alongside FnF they did a graphic titled 'new rules for these guys' which only mentioned marines. I think i linked to it an the last page.
It didn't include Guard or Sisters, and both of those were mentioned in the original 'new rules for all these codexes' graphic at the start of psychic awakening. It's reasonable to assume they will both get something eventually.
I distinctly remember the Sisters logo featuring prominently during FnF so I'm not convinced on them. IG agreed will get more. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If Sisters are getting something more in PA, it would leave something 4 IOM factions vs 2 Xenos factions, one of which is Harlequins. Can't see it myself.
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I suppose nothings preventing them from having a conflict zone that includes factions that already got stuff and thus are present but don't have rules. such as "sisters versus chaos space marines!"
also we're assuming no new armies are going to be introduced. but yeah IMHO sisters are a "post PA faction" so won't get it anymore then a traitor guard codex released 6 months from now (hypotheticly speaking) can expect it. I imagine though if GW detirmines they need a bit more it'd be easy eneugh to do a one shot book with them. heck faith and fury really does seem like it's a "to be continued" storyline. I could see GW revisiting that conflict to give the sisters a few bits and blobs, and give CSMs a "doctrine equivilant"
It'll probably turn out to be a Blackstone Fortress thing anyway. GW love to make us think some faction is getting an update when really it's a single one-off model.
Curious if we'll see PA5 shown tomoro. It's the first preorder day after January payday for most people, so it's a good time for some 40k releases & the next wave of Sisters. The following release date lines up with an AT / AI event at Warhammer World, making that less likely.
BrianDavion wrote: the units we got are double kits of units, so we wheren't going to get anything more "original" (read: entirely new kits)
truthfully the triumph and the battle pulpit both suprise me as they're genuinely new sculpts (god I wish the Pulpit was a generic HQ)
Oh yeah, the new HQ are really nice, and I also wish the pulpit was generic canoness option rather than order locked! Agreed on both count.
I'm also not convinced Harlequins will get something. Was that symbol in that kickoff article Harlequins or Ynnari? Technically speaking, Ynnari got something... yeah, a gakky reprint, but still. But GW's never been one to make grandiose promises with asterisks at the end! Oh wait...
If the rumor-arm is that of a Guardsman, our collective hopes of better-proportioned AsMil are clearly for naught. The proportions on it are really off. What could it be, though? Binoculars and a pointing finger suggest either special forces recon type or artillery to me, and the army already has Scions for the former and oversaturation of the latter.
Unless it's a new Master of Ordnance sculpt who's really, really hench and shirtless for reasons of designer idiocy.
Agamemnon2 wrote: If the rumor-arm is that of a Guardsman, our collective hopes of better-proportioned AsMil are clearly for naught. The proportions on it are really off. What could it be, though? Binoculars and a pointing finger suggest either special forces recon type or artillery to me, and the army already has Scions for the former and oversaturation of the latter.
Unless it's a new Master of Ordnance sculpt who's really, really hench and shirtless for reasons of designer idiocy.
Agamemnon2 wrote: If the rumor-arm is that of a Guardsman, our collective hopes of better-proportioned AsMil are clearly for naught. The proportions on it are really off. What could it be, though? Binoculars and a pointing finger suggest either special forces recon type or artillery to me, and the army already has Scions for the former and oversaturation of the latter.
Unless it's a new Master of Ordnance sculpt who's really, really hench and shirtless for reasons of designer idiocy.
Ratlings or some sort of Catachans. Trust me they could release just about anything and it'd be better than the original infantry box. Also I think it's the picture making it look off. I have a feeling whatever it is will look better with the full picture
New IG infantry is something that would be really welcome. The current kits are pretty terrible by modern standards, and that has stopped me from expanding my IG collection.
Im assuming GW is not going to do imperium vs imperium (unless suprise renegade guard) but its looking like
Necrons vs X
Harlequins vs X
I cant see Harlequins being the finale so to me as I dont think they have any new big cool thing to build up to, it looks like Necrons will be the big final thing with Silent king, would be fitting aswell if they brought him + Pariahs back with the whole Psyker stuff going on. Only other option is finale has a new faction they have not told us about so its to me going to be
Webway fighting
Custodes+sisters vs Harlequins (harlequins will probably do some big prophecy/ lead the custodes and sisters to find something in the webway)
Necron vs Guard+ death watch (silent king)
Other option is custodes are last and they find one of the lost primarchs as the final reveal. Or suprise final book has Fulgrim bust in middle of fight (Fabius bile books have alot of harlequins leading the Emperors children to do stuff, latest book had Fabius gaining a pretty complete map of the webway)
Yea I'm not convinced the Guard symbol was in the FnF marketing but either way Guard got nothing from that book. I think its fair to expect they get more.
Alongside FnF they did a graphic titled 'new rules for these guys' which only mentioned marines. I think i linked to it an the last page.
It didn't include Guard or Sisters, and both of those were mentioned in the original 'new rules for all these codexes' graphic at the start of psychic awakening. It's reasonable to assume they will both get something eventually.
I distinctly remember the Sisters logo featuring prominently during FnF so I'm not convinced on them. IG agreed will get more. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If Sisters are getting something more in PA, it would leave something 4 IOM factions vs 2 Xenos factions, one of which is Harlequins. Can't see it myself.
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I suppose nothings preventing them from having a conflict zone that includes factions that already got stuff and thus are present but don't have rules. such as "sisters versus chaos space marines!"
also we're assuming no new armies are going to be introduced. but yeah IMHO sisters are a "post PA faction" so won't get it anymore then a traitor guard codex released 6 months from now (hypotheticly speaking) can expect it. I imagine though if GW detirmines they need a bit more it'd be easy eneugh to do a one shot book with them. heck faith and fury really does seem like it's a "to be continued" storyline. I could see GW revisiting that conflict to give the sisters a few bits and blobs, and give CSMs a "doctrine equivilant"
Don't get my hopes up.
On the Sisters new units subject: they need a super heavy. I'm thinking a baneblade variant with lots of gothic stylings and armed with an inferno cannon.
Agamemnon2 wrote: If the rumor-arm is that of a Guardsman, our collective hopes of better-proportioned AsMil are clearly for naught. The proportions on it are really off. What could it be, though? Binoculars and a pointing finger suggest either special forces recon type or artillery to me, and the army already has Scions for the former and oversaturation of the latter.
Unless it's a new Master of Ordnance sculpt who's really, really hench and shirtless for reasons of designer idiocy.
Ratlings or some sort of Catachans. Trust me they could release just about anything and it'd be better than the original infantry box. Also I think it's the picture making it look off. I have a feeling whatever it is will look better with the full picture
Yeah, I think there’s some weird foreshortening in the photo.
Agamemnon2 wrote: If the rumor-arm is that of a Guardsman, our collective hopes of better-proportioned AsMil are clearly for naught. The proportions on it are really off. What could it be, though? Binoculars and a pointing finger suggest either special forces recon type or artillery to me, and the army already has Scions for the former and oversaturation of the latter.
Unless it's a new Master of Ordnance sculpt who's really, really hench and shirtless for reasons of designer idiocy.
Rattling sniper-spotter is a solid theory.
Indeed it is, and I should have mentioned it above. The current Ratling sculpts (which came out during the original Apocalypse, IIRC) were pretty burly for their size.
Agamemnon2 wrote: If the rumor-arm is that of a Guardsman, our collective hopes of better-proportioned AsMil are clearly for naught. The proportions on it are really off. What could it be, though? Binoculars and a pointing finger suggest either special forces recon type or artillery to me, and the army already has Scions for the former and oversaturation of the latter.
Unless it's a new Master of Ordnance sculpt who's really, really hench and shirtless for reasons of designer idiocy.
Rattling sniper-spotter is a solid theory.
Indeed it is, and I should have mentioned it above. The current Ratling sculpts (which came out during the original Apocalypse, IIRC) were pretty burly for their size.
They do have the two that they made for Blackstone to compare with as well
Mr Morden wrote: They do have the two that they made for Blackstone to compare with as well
I think I looked at this when the RE image was released and the Blackstone Ratlings look nothing like the arm of the RE model. They don't even have similar binoculars.
Esmer wrote: When was the last time, other than Sly Marbo, that Astra Militarum got new models? I honestly don't know. Was is the Tempestus Scions kit?
When Honorbound came out, we got Severina Raine.
Blackstone Fortress: Escalation is the 'most recent' as we got the Primaris Psyker plastic there, and Blackstone Fortress proper gave us the two Ratling brothers.
Outside of those, Scions came with the Ogryn/Bullgryn, Taurox, and Hydra/Wyvern kits.
Esmer wrote: When was the last time, other than Sly Marbo, that Astra Militarum got new models? I honestly don't know. Was is the Tempestus Scions kit?
When Honorbound came out, we got Severina Raine.
Blackstone Fortress: Escalation is the 'most recent' as we got the Primaris Psyker plastic there, and Blackstone Fortress proper gave us the two Ratling brothers.
Outside of those, Scions came with the Ogryn/Bullgryn, Taurox, and Hydra/Wyvern kits.
Don't forget, the new Ghaz model has a Scion helmet on the base
Spreelock wrote: The new teaser trailer of the greater good indicates some involvment of the imperium..
For those unawares, GW posted a new teaser on the Facebooks.
It's split into three parts:
-A hooded psyker broadcast about "none disputing mankind's right to rule the stars"
-A Tau broadcast about offering "only enlightenment"
-A Genestealer Cult broadcast about overthrowing the oppressors
Spreelock wrote: The new teaser trailer of the greater good indicates some involvment of the imperium..
For those unawares, GW posted a new teaser on the Facebooks.
It's split into three parts:
-A hooded psyker broadcast about "none disputing mankind's right to rule the stars"
-A Tau broadcast about offering "only enlightenment"
-A Genestealer Cult broadcast about overthrowing the oppressors
Wonder if the Death Guard story was a red herring and we're getting an imperial faction here. Sisters, IG or Deathwatch maybe?
Could be guard or sisters, but we know through stories it's gotta be at least DG vs Tau, with GSC uprising against the Tau at the same time. In the GSC story recently, they were uprising against an Imperial world that had worked out a deal with the Tau empire.
So perhaps it's GSC/Tau/death guard /Imperial Guard. Imperial Guard and GSC would be smart to release in the same book since they share a lot of stuff.... Which makes me think the won't do it But it would be odd to see a pyschic awakening book with no Imperium in it. Other than the eldar one they've al had some sort of Imperium show up.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Could be guard or sisters, but we know through stories it's gotta be at least DG vs Tau, with GSC uprising against the Tau at the same time. In the GSC story recently, they were uprising against an Imperial world that had worked out a deal with the Tau empire.
So perhaps it's GSC/Tau/death guard /Imperial Guard. Imperial Guard and GSC would be smart to release in the same book since they share a lot of stuff.... Which makes me think the won't do it But it would be odd to see a pyschic awakening book with no Imperium in it. Other than the eldar one they've al had some sort of Imperium show up.
The teaser for PA5 that went up on YouTube earlier has transmissions from the Imperium, Tau, and GSC, so it looks like Death Guard aren’t in it after all.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Could be guard or sisters, but we know through stories it's gotta be at least DG vs Tau, with GSC uprising against the Tau at the same time. In the GSC story recently, they were uprising against an Imperial world that had worked out a deal with the Tau empire.
So perhaps it's GSC/Tau/death guard /Imperial Guard. Imperial Guard and GSC would be smart to release in the same book since they share a lot of stuff.... Which makes me think the won't do it But it would be odd to see a pyschic awakening book with no Imperium in it. Other than the eldar one they've al had some sort of Imperium show up.
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The teaser for PA5 that went up on YouTube earlier has transmissions from the Imperium, Tau, and GSC, so it looks like Death Guard aren’t in it after all.
If death guard don't show up that feels like a big let down, they definitely got the biggest buildup out of these recent stories and I think had one of the better written ones in a while.
Spoiler:
they're hinted as going through the warpgate straight into the heart of the Tau empire, and had smashed aside shadowtsun's fleet to do so. I find it odd she'd be getting a model if the DG aren't in the book since that's her main fight at the moment. She's not fighting GSC or Imperial Guard, she's in a battle with a collosal death guard fleet just trying to survive
I don't think the latest video is proof that DG won't be in the next PA. Although it would make some sense, the remaining PA board is currently littered with too many Imperials and too few enemies.
I'd rather DG feature in this PA, they're a perfect thematic fit.
BrianDavion wrote: keep in mind Imperial Guard have been involved in every warzone (saw PA1) thus far.
In theory. In practice, they've gotten no rules or real reference or relevance, so it doesn't matter.
I'm pretty sure that was his point.
that was exactly my point. just because someone's present in a battle zone doesn't mean they get rules. ESPECIALLY when it's guard. When Guard get a focus I expect it will be a battle where they are the focal point, likely no marines in sight. the thin green line.
The faith bit and the scroll head covering and the head with bad teeth and a skull with a halo give me a kind of “ecclesiarchy/redemptionist” vibe, but it would be very strange to have ecclesiarchy rules in this PA.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: The faith bit and the scroll head covering and the head with bad teeth and a skull with a halo give me a kind of “ecclesiarchy/redemptionist” vibe, but it would be very strange to have ecclesiarchy rules in this PA.
Remember the entire Imperium is very religious. Have Faith in the Emperor fits just as well with guardsmen.
Ordana wrote: Have Faith in the Emperor fits just as well with guardsmen.
Nothing about the image says “Military forces” though. The text doesn't evoke military forces, the guy on the left doesn't wear a uniform or look like part of a disciplined force, the people in the background don't have uniforms and don't look like part of an organized, disciplined military force. How many Imperial Guard models have scrolls covering their heads?
So it's clearly Tau vs GSC vs another imperial faction... but wich one?
This is the only book where even after the teaser and the short stories (but i bet there'll be one more) we still have no idea of one the involved parties...
This PA hype is confusing. There's a great deal of push placed on the Tau/DG conflict initially, and then some story push placed on the Tau/GSC conflict. Now they've released two different story things adding in an imperial faction. Imperial factions have been involved in all the PA books (except the first one) so it's possible the greater Imperium is more of an NPC in this conflict.
Or we might be seeing a four-way conflict maybe? The hype for this particular book is a bit erratic.
That short story specifically mentions Adepta Sororitas present on the same planet as GSC & Tau. Could be that Sisters are the third faction getting new rules (alongside their next wave of models), while the WD Assassin rules are also reprinted here - hence the generic Imperial reference in yesterday's teaser.
Dracarys wrote: This PA hype is confusing. There's a great deal of push placed on the Tau/DG conflict initially, and then some story push placed on the Tau/GSC conflict. Now they've released two different story things adding in an imperial faction. Imperial factions have been involved in all the PA books (except the first one) so it's possible the greater Imperium is more of an NPC in this conflict.
Or we might be seeing a four-way conflict maybe? The hype for this particular book is a bit erratic.
It's not as erratic as you might think. The PA stories have, in several instances, featured Guard--yet Guard had nothing to do with Phoenix Rising or Faith and Fury or Blood of Baal. The stories have not always featured an army that is present as part of their narrative.
I think people read too much into the stories. The authors probably have wide latitude for the broad strokes. I am still betting that Death Guard are in fact in this book, along with Tau and GSC.
Someone on another forum claimed the book will focus on Plague Marines and Blightlords. I really, really hope Blightlords can get a strat to bump to 3 wounds or improve FNP for a phase or something. Would also love an upgrade strat that makes plague surgeon useable for the first time ever.
Honestly, they need so much help just to be updated to modern mechanics and fix some design flaws. Reactive cloud of flies that works after deep striking again. Charge bonuses. A way to get +1 to hit without allying in other Chaos armies. Character upgrade strats. A way to make 4" move, 2-wound, Blightlord costing up to 50 points worthwhile. More reroll to hit auras. New rules that can surprise good opponents with canny play. Etc.
I'm placing heavy hopes on this supplement and I'm worried I will be hugely disapointed.
Virules wrote: I think people read too much into the stories. The authors probably have wide latitude for the broad strokes. I am still betting that Death Guard are in fact in this book, along with Tau and GSC.
Someone on another forum claimed the book will focus on Plague Marines and Blightlords. I really, really hope Blightlords can get a strat to bump to 3 wounds or improve FNP for a phase or something. Would also love an upgrade strat that makes plague surgeon useable for the first time ever.
Honestly, they need so much help just to be updated to modern mechanics and fix some design flaws. Reactive cloud of flies that works after deep striking again. Charge bonuses. A way to get +1 to hit without allying in other Chaos armies. Character upgrade strats. A way to make 4" move, 2-wound, Blightlord costing up to 50 points worthwhile. More reroll to hit auras. New rules that can surprise good opponents with canny play. Etc.
I'm placing heavy hopes on this supplement and I'm worried I will be hugely disapointed.
Possible. But if authors truly have freedom to go a bit off tangent with these (I don't think they do, they are the people writing Codex fluff, not BL authors who aren't GW staffers and thus more "distanced"), it could just as well be the Death Guard part was just an author sprinkling in Death Guard for no reason.
Virules wrote: I think people read too much into the stories. The authors probably have wide latitude for the broad strokes. I am still betting that Death Guard are in fact in this book, along with Tau and GSC.
Someone on another forum claimed the book will focus on Plague Marines and Blightlords. I really, really hope Blightlords can get a strat to bump to 3 wounds or improve FNP for a phase or something. Would also love an upgrade strat that makes plague surgeon useable for the first time ever.
Honestly, they need so much help just to be updated to modern mechanics and fix some design flaws. Reactive cloud of flies that works after deep striking again. Charge bonuses. A way to get +1 to hit without allying in other Chaos armies. Character upgrade strats. A way to make 4" move, 2-wound, Blightlord costing up to 50 points worthwhile. More reroll to hit auras. New rules that can surprise good opponents with canny play. Etc.
I'm placing heavy hopes on this supplement and I'm worried I will be hugely disapointed.
'People read too much into the stories' 'I think Death Guard will be in this book' is that not reading into the stories just as much, seeing as it was one of those that featured the DG?
Virules wrote: I think people read too much into the stories. The authors probably have wide latitude for the broad strokes. I am still betting that Death Guard are in fact in this book, along with Tau and GSC.
Someone on another forum claimed the book will focus on Plague Marines and Blightlords. I really, really hope Blightlords can get a strat to bump to 3 wounds or improve FNP for a phase or something. Would also love an upgrade strat that makes plague surgeon useable for the first time ever.
Honestly, they need so much help just to be updated to modern mechanics and fix some design flaws. Reactive cloud of flies that works after deep striking again. Charge bonuses. A way to get +1 to hit without allying in other Chaos armies. Character upgrade strats. A way to make 4" move, 2-wound, Blightlord costing up to 50 points worthwhile. More reroll to hit auras. New rules that can surprise good opponents with canny play. Etc.
I'm placing heavy hopes on this supplement and I'm worried I will be hugely disapointed.
Possible. But if authors truly have freedom to go a bit off tangent with these (I don't think they do, they are the people writing Codex fluff, not BL authors who aren't GW staffers and thus more "distanced"), it could just as well be the Death Guard part was just an author sprinkling in Death Guard for no reason.
That's a heck of a buildup to sprinkle an army in for no reason. I mean they're hyping it up like the death guard are going to curb stomp the entire Tau empire (which we know they won't, Tau being the closest thing to marines Xenos players get )
An imperial stalemate against the Tau with Tau and Genestealer infiltrators seems like the initial setting for the book, with the main events then being the arrival of Shadowsun and the 5th Sphere Fleet breaking the stalemate followed by the Plaguefleet turning up shortly after to derail everything.
I think the most interesting thing we've had so far is the mention of curved, high tech pysker-detectors of alien origin. I wonder if the Tau psychic defence here is an EWO style subsystem or signature system that lets you shoot them as they start gathering warp charge?
It's not beyond belief that Tau might see a similar 'refresh' to what Tyranids, Drukhari, and Aeldari saw.
I wouldn't be surprised to see:
-'Build Your Own Sept' rules
-Something akin to the Aspect Powers for Battlesuit units
-New Relics
-New Stratagems
-Updated Mont'ka and Kau'yon listings
We know we're getting Shadowsun's rules and her new drones are getting rules too.
With no marine faction taking up a million pages with unit entries there'd be enough space for 4 factions I reckon.
But where will they put all the name generators?
we know we're getting another book with 4 factions in it. and if admech, knights, deamons and chaos knights can all share a book, Death Guard, Tau, Guard and GSC should be just fine
With no marine faction taking up a million pages with unit entries there'd be enough space for 4 factions I reckon.
But where will they put all the name generators?
Good point. "Bubonicus Slimey" isn't going to name himself now is he? If DG feature in this book their entire focus will be 8 pages of name generators - ranging from Nurglings to Heralds to Marines. Everyone get's to be a "Squelchy Buttstinker".
With no marine faction taking up a million pages with unit entries there'd be enough space for 4 factions I reckon.
But where will they put all the name generators?
we know we're getting another book with 4 factions in it. and if admech, knights, deamons and chaos knights can all share a book, Death Guard, Tau, Guard and GSC should be just fine
Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
With no marine faction taking up a million pages with unit entries there'd be enough space for 4 factions I reckon.
But where will they put all the name generators?
we know we're getting another book with 4 factions in it. and if admech, knights, deamons and chaos knights can all share a book, Death Guard, Tau, Guard and GSC should be just fine
Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
AdMech need Manipulous, Skorpius Disintergrater, Dunerider, 2x flyer, 2x Serberys and 2x Pterix units to have datasheets. They're going to take a heft chunk out of it.
More if the secret cults mentioned make them Dark mech...
Voss wrote: Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
"Small" factions? Surely we want all factions to see an equal amount of content, regardless of their size? It could be argued, in fact, that the smallest factions deserve the most content? To bring them up to the level of others.
With no marine faction taking up a million pages with unit entries there'd be enough space for 4 factions I reckon.
But where will they put all the name generators?
we know we're getting another book with 4 factions in it. and if admech, knights, deamons and chaos knights can all share a book, Death Guard, Tau, Guard and GSC should be just fine
Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
GW can do as much or as little as it likes - there is certainly vastly more variety and units unseen on the game table for Knights and their support elements than there is in any Marine Chapter of a mere thousand individuals - and they constantly have new units lavished upon them and are indulged with supplements.....
As others have noted with no need to cram it full of yet more reprinted Marine datasheets there is plenty of room for intersting stff, lots of lore.....
AdMech need Manipulous, Skorpius Disintergrater, Dunerider, 2x flyer, 2x Serberys and 2x Pterix units to have datasheets.
10 units known right now.
The flyer is 3 builds, not 2.
They're going to take a heft chunk out of it.
More if the secret cults mentioned make them Dark mech...
I'd think the 'secret cults mentioned' are referring to the Xenarites rather than Dark Mechanicus. Stygies has been getting a lot of attention lately and they're DEFINITELY going hard after Blackstone and Necron sites for the effects it has on the Warp.
Voss wrote: Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
"Small" factions? Surely we want all factions to see an equal amount of content, regardless of their size? It could be argued, in fact, that the smallest factions deserve the most content? To bring them up to the level of others.
Argue whatever you want, it isn't going to happen. Some factions are factually smaller than others, and for the foreseeable future, will stay that way, regardless of any rambling about 'deserves.'
We _know_ admech is getting a couple units (and has to back update a couple existing units), because they've been shown off.
For the tau book, regardless of whoever else is in it, it gets Shadowsun. The end.
The ork and probably space wolf book gets the standard marine retread, plus Ghaz and Makari, the end.
Admech gets a bunch of stuff with that book, daemons will might get backfilled datasheets again as well. But at this moment, that's the limit of whats coming with the PA books we know anything about. Whatever filler they use to pad out the rest of 90-odd pages is up to GW, but if every single PA release so far is anything to go by, it won't amount to much beyond a few pages of strats, relics, etc.
Any preferences about what 'should' happen aren't PA N&R in any way at all.
AdMech need Manipulous, Skorpius Disintergrater, Dunerider, 2x flyer, 2x Serberys and 2x Pterix units to have datasheets. They're going to take a heft chunk out of it.
Yes, indeed they will, about 10% of the pages will go just to Ad Mech datasheets. Hence why they're tossing in the two tiny knight factions: they won't eat much page count.
Voss wrote: Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
"Small" factions? Surely we want all factions to see an equal amount of content, regardless of their size? It could be argued, in fact, that the smallest factions deserve the most content? To bring them up to the level of others.
yeah, not sure why knights shouldn't get anything because "they only have 6 units!" you can do an aweful lot in a half dozen pages to really add varity. and factions with few models really benifit from having more ways to employ them.
With no marine faction taking up a million pages with unit entries there'd be enough space for 4 factions I reckon.
But where will they put all the name generators?
we know we're getting another book with 4 factions in it. and if admech, knights, deamons and chaos knights can all share a book, Death Guard, Tau, Guard and GSC should be just fine
Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
GW can do as much or as little as it likes - there is certainly vastly more variety and units unseen on the game table for Knights and their support elements than there is in any Marine Chapter of a mere thousand individuals - and they constantly have new units lavished upon them and are indulged with supplements.....
As others have noted with no need to cram it full of yet more reprinted Marine datasheets there is plenty of room for intersting stff, lots of lore.....
except that Knights aren't going to, likely be getting new UNITS instead they'll get new strats, relics etc. you know the same thing everyone's gotten in PA. Voss seems to be arguing that because of the low model count of the Knights codex they somehow don't "deserve" these new things.
With no marine faction taking up a million pages with unit entries there'd be enough space for 4 factions I reckon.
But where will they put all the name generators?
we know we're getting another book with 4 factions in it. and if admech, knights, deamons and chaos knights can all share a book, Death Guard, Tau, Guard and GSC should be just fine
Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
AdMech need Manipulous, Skorpius Disintergrater, Dunerider, 2x flyer, 2x Serberys and 2x Pterix units to have datasheets. They're going to take a heft chunk out of it.
More if the secret cults mentioned make them Dark mech...
That's 9 pages at most, maybe less. Waaaaaay less than marines got copy & paste datasheets they already had. They can add 8 pages per knight faction and have pages left over. And 8 pages is pretty much what everybody gets minus copy&paste datasheets.
Question isn't about quantity of pages but quality of rules they get
Was there ever a statement implying a limit of factions per book or was that an assumption? Engine War has 4 factions, do we have reason to believe a PA book couldn't have 5 or even more provided the factions were small enough? (Assassins certainly doesn't take up much space!)
NinthMusketeer wrote: Was there ever a statement implying a limit of factions per book or was that an assumption? Engine War has 4 factions, do we have reason to believe a PA book couldn't have 5 or even more provided the factions were small enough? (Assassins certainly doesn't take up much space!)
well it doesn't matter how many models a faction has. because the norm for these books has been 1 page of strats, 1 page of relics, 1 page of random names, 1 page of mono faction bonuses etc. now obviously there's variation here but just because custodes has less minis avalaible then Necrons doesn't mean they'll be garenteed less book pages. just for example.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Was there ever a statement implying a limit of factions per book or was that an assumption? Engine War has 4 factions, do we have reason to believe a PA book couldn't have 5 or even more provided the factions were small enough? (Assassins certainly doesn't take up much space!)
The more factions they include, the more pages have to be dedicated to name generators.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Was there ever a statement implying a limit of factions per book or was that an assumption? Engine War has 4 factions, do we have reason to believe a PA book couldn't have 5 or even more provided the factions were small enough? (Assassins certainly doesn't take up much space!)
The more factions they include, the more pages have to be dedicated to name generators.
oddly I don't mind name generators in some cases, it gives ideas as to the culture and naming conventions of the army.
Heck I'm oddly looking forward to the Ork name generators, simply cause I bet it'll have some hilarious name combos
Why do so many people seem so sure that the Imperial faction in The Greater Good is going to be IG? None of that video really screams Imperial Guard to me. GW loves playing up the defining stereotypes of the respective factions, and I saw none of these for IG. Nothing about holding ground, nothing about grinding things to dust with artillery, nothing about military discipline, just something about faith in the emperor which is ubiquitous for all Imperial factions, but defining for a few.
Furthermore there are the images. The Tau speaker is very clearly an ethereal, and the background images are very clearly battle suits and fire warriors. The gene stealer cult one has a four-armed figure with a dagger and rending claws and a literal genestealer. What does the imperial image have? Not as clear as the other two, granted, but there are only a few Imperial factions that make extensive use of purity seals and scrolls to the degree present in this video, and most of them (Space Marine varieties) are accounted for in other PA books. It certainly seems to imply the Ecclesiarchy more than it does IG.
Beyond even that, Sisters (Ecclesiarchy) are still waiting on a significant wave of models to be released, including their primary HQ, the all-important Imagifier, and models that bear a striking resemblance to one of the figures in the background of the Imperial message (Repentia). Tell me it would not be a good idea to renew the sisters hype by releasing the next wave of models along side a PA book that features expanded rules for the Sisters.
Not saying it is a sure thing, and I understand and agree that IG deserves SOMETHING, but at this point, with the information we have, I think IG being in this book is wishful thinking.
Voss wrote: Those aren't really comparable to me. As far as content goes, Ad mech is at the same level as DG and GSC, knights aren't (even combined they aren't), and daemons should be way beyond them, and tau and guard definitely are.
To put another way, the combined knights are paper thin compared even to small factions like ad mech or DG. Its easy to do a 4 faction book with them.
With guard or tau, let alone both? plus more stuff? Yeah, no.
"Small" factions? Surely we want all factions to see an equal amount of content, regardless of their size? It could be argued, in fact, that the smallest factions deserve the most content? To bring them up to the level of others.
Argue whatever you want, it isn't going to happen. Some factions are factually smaller than others, and for the foreseeable future, will stay that way, regardless of any rambling about 'deserves.'
We _know_ admech is getting a couple units (and has to back update a couple existing units), because they've been shown off.
For the tau book, regardless of whoever else is in it, it gets Shadowsun. The end.
The ork and probably space wolf book gets the standard marine retread, plus Ghaz and Makari, the end.
Admech gets a bunch of stuff with that book, daemons will might get backfilled datasheets again as well. But at this moment, that's the limit of whats coming with the PA books we know anything about. Whatever filler they use to pad out the rest of 90-odd pages is up to GW, but if every single PA release so far is anything to go by, it won't amount to much beyond a few pages of strats, relics, etc.
Any preferences about what 'should' happen aren't PA N&R in any way at all.
I just find it odd you think a faction will get less from PA because it "feels" like a smaller faction. GW are pushing Ad Mech as a proper faction. They have been since 8th to be honest as they've probably enjoyed the second most releases of any faction only to Marines.
Each faction will probably get relics, stratagems and WL traits. Beyond that is anyone's guess. I could see an Ork-specific thing like what Tyranids received. I could also see another Ork unit (other than Ghaz) given that there's a rumour engine of an Ork boot as yet unsolved.
IG and Tau will likely get the exact same amount of content as DG or Ad Mech or potentially even Knights. They have larger model lines, but GW don't seem to use that as a defining metric in terms of rules content.
Hellebore wrote: How do you define smaller? Marine chapters are a thousand soldiers.
Orks are trillions strong, guard is billions strong. Craftworlds are 10s of millions.
Marines are the smallest factions in the game and get the most attention.
Well, certainly not background-based. If writers wanted Orks to be down to a couple of hundred and the galaxy be filled with trillions of Marines, it'd be done with a brush stroke.
The nerd-marketing (e.g. fluff) for the plastic toys isn't the benchmark to look at.
Hellebore wrote: How do you define smaller? Marine chapters are a thousand soldiers.
Orks are trillions strong, guard is billions strong. Craftworlds are 10s of millions.
Marines are the smallest factions in the game and get the most attention.
size of the model line in this case.
And yeah that doesn't say much, Admech and Knights are both popular up and coming armies that GW has made a point to expand when given the oppertunity. it wasn't that long ago that Imperial Knights where a single kit. now there are three kits. with a fair bit of varity among them. (fun fact BTW once you omit characters and kits they share with vanilla marines... Imperial Knights has as many unique kits as Grey Knights and Custodes)
My luck that the two least interesting factions (Sisters and GSC) would feature with Tau. Just pray they don't do a boxed set then, because those factions are going to be hard to sell since nobody plays them in my country.
My only hope is that there's a GSC faction component that can be alternatively assembled as IG.
ikeulhu wrote: Bummer, although I did have the feeling earlier that DG being in that book made way too much thematic sense for GW to have actually done it!
Guard make sense thematically too.
Death Guard always felt a bit too shoehorned in, potentially.
With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?
Altough I guess it makes sense with Typhus who has always been a workaholic.
Spoiler:
Is it just me or do these new artworks of Shadowsun kinda look as if she had another guy in the exact same stealth suit standing right behind her?
zamerion wrote: At this point, we can discard new miniatures for cult or star, right?
The only Cult mini we might see is a separate release for the Kelermorph. Can't get that box he came in anymore I don't think, barring your store having some left.
We know Shadowsun is the big hero for this book though.
ikeulhu wrote: Bummer, although I did have the feeling earlier that DG being in that book made way too much thematic sense for GW to have actually done it!
Guard make sense thematically too.
Death Guard always felt a bit too shoehorned in, potentially.
Death Guard would feel incredibly shoehorned into a book whose fluff is all about winning over worlds through philosophy and ideology.
Sadly depsite the great story about the Tau reeling from the forces of Nurgle its looks to be the usual - "suddenly vital Imperial worlds are invaded by the Tau as GSC rise up....
I think this warzone setting has the chance to be interesting since the usual suspects aren't in the story. I also not suprised with the factions considering shadowun was fighting GSC in her reveal.
Esmer wrote: With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?
The Cicatrix Maledictum has reduced Imperial co-operation, enabled daemonic support in areas where it was previously extremely difficult and Mortarion had one of the more organised legions to take advantage of that.
Carnikang wrote:The only Cult mini we might see is a separate release for the Kelermorph. Can't get that box he came in anymore I don't think, barring your store having some left.
Pretty much, that box is long gone and it's a core unit with it's own sprue. It's kind of crazy it hasn't had a wider release already, so this might not be a bad time to push it out.
I guess it's also possible the long rumoured Start Collecting box might ship too, but again that would just be repacking.
Esmer wrote: With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?
Mortarion invaded Ultramar because he heard that Gulliman was back and he wanted to goad him into facing him. Killing one of his Brothers seems to be the one thing that can motivate him. In general, DG plague fleets outside the first operate without Mortarion's direct order, mainly because he doesn't usually do anything but hang around on his plague planet.
Shame, for me. The story featuring DG and Tau was excellent.
Furthermore, thematically I thought it was very clever. I thought the followers of Nurgle were all about spreading "joy" (pain) and "life" (disease) and they had convinced themselves that they were following a truth of the galaxy.
Ah well, at least it leaves more enemies for the following books.
Pinching the list from the page before we have;
Custodes
Deathwatch (vs Orks in next book?)
Sisters (?)
Harlequins
Necrons
Death Guard
Custodes vs Death Guard maybe (they're both big bois)?
Harlequins vs Deathwatch vs Necrons perhaps?
Really not sure whether Sisters are getting a separate release here.
Esmer wrote: With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?
Altough I guess it makes sense with Typhus who has always been a workaholic.
Spoiler:
Is it just me or do these new artworks of Shadowsun kinda look as if she had another guy in the exact same stealth suit standing right behind her?
Good Lord that artwork is atrocious. It looks like she is wearing one of those inflatable sumo costumes.
It's curious that the new artwork has Vostroyans, which aren't in production any more. I thought that GW40k artwork generally only had in-production models these days. Probably too much to hope for plastic Vostroyans though!
The fluff has the maledictum seriously messing with the flow of time, but that rarely makes it into stories. I would be really interested if the DG story becomes some element of that.
Esmer wrote: With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?
Altough I guess it makes sense with Typhus who has always been a workaholic.
Spoiler:
Is it just me or do these new artworks of Shadowsun kinda look as if she had another guy in the exact same stealth suit standing right behind her?
Good Lord that artwork is atrocious. It looks like she is wearing one of those inflatable sumo costumes.
Custodes
Deathwatch
Sisters
Harlequins
Necrons
Death Guard
I thought Harlequins were in PA1 as the Phoenix Rising books are in their subsection of the site. I honestly thought they just got F all and GW was done with them because they technically have Ynnari rules in it.
I just find it odd you think a faction will get less from PA because it "feels" like a smaller faction.
Then you misunderstand. I'm not talking about 'feelings' or 'definitions of smaller'
Its simply easier to do supplementary material (relics, strats etc, the 'content' PA is consistently churning out) for a tiny faction like knights than it is for guard. It factually takes up less space. Thats all that means.
So I'm talking about the simple fact that knights ARE a small faction, and in the relevant PA book they are NOT getting new models. The pointless, endless debates on what various factions 'should get' or 'deserve' or whatever are completely pointless. All that matters is whats coming out with the book and we've known ahead of time what that is, in every single case.
What people have made up for felt like various factions should get for the last book, the current book, or the next book have just been wasted text, because we were told 'a character model' months ago. And lo, that's all that's come, barring bonus wargear in the form of a banner waver for Ghaz. For Engines of Destruction, we are getting Ad Mech units, and NOT getting knights, daemons or anything else.
OrkPlayer137 wrote: It's curious that the new artwork has Vostroyans, which aren't in production any more. I thought that GW40k artwork generally only had in-production models these days. Probably too much to hope for plastic Vostroyans though!
I think that is artwork from back around Planetstrike in 5th/6th
I just find it odd you think a faction will get less from PA because it "feels" like a smaller faction.
Then you misunderstand. I'm not talking about 'feelings' or 'definitions of smaller'
Its simply easier to do supplementary material (relics, strats etc, the 'content' PA is consistently churning out) for a tiny faction like knights than it is for guard. It factually takes up less space. Thats all that means.
So I'm talking about the simple fact that knights ARE a small faction, and in the relevant PA book they are NOT getting new models. The pointless, endless debates on what various factions 'should get' or 'deserve' or whatever are completely pointless. All that matters is whats coming out with the book and we've known ahead of time what that is, in every single case.
What people have made up for felt like various factions should get for the last book, the current book, or the next book have just been wasted text, because we were told 'a character model' months ago. And lo, that's all that's come, barring bonus wargear in the form of a banner waver for Ghaz. For Engines of Destruction, we are getting Ad Mech units, and NOT getting knights, daemons or anything else.
I think that a tiny faction like Knights can have exactly the same amount of material in PA as Guard or any other faction. I don't think it necessarily takes up less space (but it is likely to, for sure).
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ork release had more than just Ghaz and Makari - the precedent is already broken with Ad Mech and we've unsolved rumour engine images. I'm not expecting anything though.
I think that in the greater good the only model released will be shadowsun and in saga of the beast only what we’ve seen, mechanicus is an excepcion and has been announced early on.
If orks get anything besides ghazkull and maybe a kff mek, it better have options. Giving the most ramshackle and conversion heavy faction in the game a bunch of vehicles with less customizability than necron vehicles was a joke.
I am hoping that we will get more units updated like the first pa book. A lot of the factions left have 3 or 4 units that could use a new plastic kit. Guard has the basilisk and ratlings, tau have sniper drones and vespid, orks have kommandoes, tankbustas and deffkoptas.
Daemons actually have everything minus a couple of nurgle and tzeentch special characters in plastic. Thanks to warcry even furies have plastic models.
OrkPlayer137 wrote: It's curious that the new artwork has Vostroyans, which aren't in production any more. I thought that GW40k artwork generally only had in-production models these days. Probably too much to hope for plastic Vostroyans though!
I think that is artwork from back around Planetstrike in 5th/6th
Oh, I see. Thanks! I was out of the hobby at that time, so would have missed it.
MajorWesJanson wrote: If orks get anything besides ghazkull and maybe a kff mek, it better have options. Giving the most ramshackle and conversion heavy faction in the game a bunch of vehicles with less customizability than necron vehicles was a joke.
I am hoping that we will get more units updated like the first pa book. A lot of the factions left have 3 or 4 units that could use a new plastic kit. Guard has the basilisk and ratlings, tau have sniper drones and vespid, orks have kommandoes, tankbustas and deffkoptas.
Daemons actually have everything minus a couple of nurgle and tzeentch special characters in plastic. Thanks to warcry even furies have plastic models.
Slaanesh herald (finecrap) begs to differ...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Kommandos and Tankbustas would be far more useful than new Gaz.
Kommandos figures are nice but again, finecrap and Tankbustas... Well may we just forget these?
MajorWesJanson wrote: If orks get anything besides ghazkull and maybe a kff mek, it better have options. Giving the most ramshackle and conversion heavy faction in the game a bunch of vehicles with less customizability than necron vehicles was a joke.
I am hoping that we will get more units updated like the first pa book. A lot of the factions left have 3 or 4 units that could use a new plastic kit. Guard has the basilisk and ratlings, tau have sniper drones and vespid, orks have kommandoes, tankbustas and deffkoptas.
Daemons actually have everything minus a couple of nurgle and tzeentch special characters in plastic. Thanks to warcry even furies have plastic models.
Slaanesh herald (finecrap) begs to differ...
A SINGLE HQ in finecast makes Deamons more updated then any other army thats been around sinece prior to 6th edition
I just find it odd you think a faction will get less from PA because it "feels" like a smaller faction.
Then you misunderstand. I'm not talking about 'feelings' or 'definitions of smaller'
Its simply easier to do supplementary material (relics, strats etc, the 'content' PA is consistently churning out) for a tiny faction like knights than it is for guard. It factually takes up less space. Thats all that means.
So I'm talking about the simple fact that knights ARE a small faction, and in the relevant PA book they are NOT getting new models. The pointless, endless debates on what various factions 'should get' or 'deserve' or whatever are completely pointless. All that matters is whats coming out with the book and we've known ahead of time what that is, in every single case.
What people have made up for felt like various factions should get for the last book, the current book, or the next book have just been wasted text, because we were told 'a character model' months ago. And lo, that's all that's come, barring bonus wargear in the form of a banner waver for Ghaz. For Engines of Destruction, we are getting Ad Mech units, and NOT getting knights, daemons or anything else.
Seeing guard isn't getting copo&paste datasheets they will get pretty much same page count as knights. Less as there's 2 knights.
78 pts. for a changecaster, 99 pts. with M12 and FLY, is ridiculous. I can only hope that this points change was to account for rules changes in engine war.
p5freak wrote: 78 pts. for a changecaster, 99 pts. with M12 and FLY, is ridiculous. I can only hope that this points change was to account for rules changes in engine war.
When I'm paying 90pts for a Neurothrope with M5" and FLY, I can't tell if you think that other unit is ridiculous good or ridiculous bad.
OrkPlayer137 wrote: It's curious that the new artwork has Vostroyans, which aren't in production any more. I thought that GW40k artwork generally only had in-production models these days. Probably too much to hope for plastic Vostroyans though!
I saw that too and it made my heart skip a beat.. but then someone on Facebook said it was old artwork so...
p5freak wrote: 78 pts. for a changecaster, 99 pts. with M12 and FLY, is ridiculous. I can only hope that this points change was to account for rules changes in engine war.
When I'm paying 90pts for a Neurothrope with M5" and FLY, I can't tell if you think that other unit is ridiculous good or ridiculous bad.
yeah but your neurothrope does more than cast spells and buff strenght. Giving an AoE -1 to hit, reroll 1's on psychic tests, synapse is pretty decent, especially since you can actually cast more than 1 spell and have a better defensive profile (3++ instead of 4++).
I still dont understand why GW upped the price on the tzeentch herald
Sub-100 points for a quick fly-caster is pretty great actually.
Add to that the ridiculous Daemon Loci that also cross to CSM with the right keywords and the fact that Chaos Spells still aren't Codex-locked like Eldar and can affect pretty much anything in the greater Chaos Soup, I think the Tzeentch Herald should probably be 20-40 points more, if anything.
I'm not a competitive player (much) but I was auto including Change Casters into all my lists, losing Locus in the process but viewing Gaze of Fate as much more valuable (especially when using Chaos Knights).
Change casters were in every ITC netlist, which (unfortunately) plays a huge role in deciding points changes/nerfs for their next CA.
Anyway, SUPER pumped for the next book. Buffs for my Knights??
With the Kronos Hivefleet that Neurothrope can dole out the mortal wounds with the Warlord trait forcing failed psychic tests to inflict 1D3 mortal wounds, and the Strategem that forces players to test on only 1D6.
p5freak wrote: 78 pts. for a changecaster, 99 pts. with M12 and FLY, is ridiculous. I can only hope that this points change was to account for rules changes in engine war.
When I'm paying 90pts for a Neurothrope with M5" and FLY, I can't tell if you think that other unit is ridiculous good or ridiculous bad.
You want to compare a neurothrope against a changecaster ?
Enemy psykers within 18" must subtract 1 from their psychic tests. Changecaster has no such ability.
Friendly models within 12" auto pass morale tests. Changecaster has no such ability.
When an enemy model is slain by smite you can heal a wound on a friendly zoanthrope. Changecaster has no such (similar) ability.
Can reroll 1s for psychic tests. Changecaster has no such ability.
5+ sv, 3+ inv. Changecaster has 6+ sv, 4+ inv.
Can cast 2 psychic powers. Changecaster can cast 1 psychic power.
M5". Changecaster has M6".
S4 T4 W5. Changecaster has S3 T3 W4.
1 melee attack. Changecaster has 2.
Changecaster adds 1 to the strength of tzeentch daemons, wooow.
Your neurothrope outperforms the changecaster in almost every way.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Deathwatch showed up in Saga of the Beast to help the Space Corgis take down the Orks, but then again we've received no official information on that book beyond the title so far.
Also, wasn't the "one model per book" thing referring to the announcement of Ritual of the Damned, The Greater Good, and Saga of the Beast? It's possible that it was JUST those books with the one model treatment, although I'll admit that I was optimistic that there might be more included due to the open-endedness of the original wording so perhaps I'm just jumping to conclusions by thinking it was only those books. After all, both Faith and Fury and Blood of Baal only had a single model release too.
Still, we know that Engine War is seeing a plethora of releases, and Blood of the Phoenix did get a few new kits even if they were poorly handled and shackled to an overpriced box set.
At the very least, we definitely know that The Greater Good and Saga of the Beast will only have a single model accompanying them, in this case Shadowsun and proooooooobably Ghazkull (plus Makari). We know what factions are gonna be in GG and Engine War, and that Engine War will have a lot of models. As for what happens after Engine War, well, we don't have any information on that yet, other than that everyone will get rules eventually.
Benionin wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the Deathwatch showed up in Saga of the Beast to help the Space Corgis take down the Orks, but then again we've received no official information on that book beyond the title so far.
Also, wasn't the "one model per book" thing referring to the announcement of Ritual of the Damned, The Greater Good, and Saga of the Beast? It's possible that it was JUST those books with the one model treatment, although I'll admit that I was optimistic that there might be more included due to the open-endedness of the original wording so perhaps I'm just jumping to conclusions by thinking it was only those books. After all, both Faith and Fury and Blood of Baal only had a single model release too.
Still, we know that Engine War is seeing a plethora of releases, and Blood of the Phoenix did get a few new kits even if they were poorly handled and shackled to an overpriced box set.
At the very least, we definitely know that The Greater Good and Saga of the Beast will only have a single model accompanying them, in this case Shadowsun and proooooooobably Ghazkull (plus Makari). We know what factions are gonna be in GG and Engine War, and that Engine War will have a lot of models. As for what happens after Engine War, well, we don't have any information on that yet, other than that everyone will get rules eventually.
You think Saga of the Beast Won't have a primaris space wolf???? The absolutely ONLY reason you will be right is if the new space wolf codex is following very shortly after.
Benionin wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the Deathwatch showed up in Saga of the Beast to help the Space Corgis take down the Orks, but then again we've received no official information on that book beyond the title so far.
There's an aside in I believe FnF that has an entire Watch Fortress (and at least a full Watch Company) mobilizing to combat an Ork incursion. Given the pairings that are left, it fits.
You think Saga of the Beast Won't have a primaris space wolf???? The absolutely ONLY reason you will be right is if the new space wolf codex is following very shortly after.
Considering that the Ghaz model got revealed at the LVO... yes. I think Saga of the Beast will have him, rather than a Space Wolf of any stripe.
You think Saga of the Beast Won't have a primaris space wolf???? The absolutely ONLY reason you will be right is if the new space wolf codex is following very shortly after.
Considering that the Ghaz model got revealed at the LVO... yes. I think Saga of the Beast will have him, rather than a Space Wolf of any stripe.
There's also precedent from BT not getting a Primaris model with Faith & Fury.
You think Saga of the Beast Won't have a primaris space wolf???? The absolutely ONLY reason you will be right is if the new space wolf codex is following very shortly after.
Considering that the Ghaz model got revealed at the LVO... yes. I think Saga of the Beast will have him, rather than a Space Wolf of any stripe.
Evidently Ghaz is coming and will be a character released for it, I think he won't be the only model though.
It looks like there is possibly going to be two characters in greater good, with Shadowsun and potentially a guard catachan character according to the rumour engine. There were two characters in Phoenix arising as well, just because the other books have included one, doesn't meant the rest will only have one.
Benionin wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the Deathwatch showed up in Saga of the Beast to help the Space Corgis take down the Orks, but then again we've received no official information on that book beyond the title so far.
There's an aside in I believe FnF that has an entire Watch Fortress (and at least a full Watch Company) mobilizing to combat an Ork incursion. Given the pairings that are left, it fits.
Correct and agreed, this is a sensible guess. If the Ork codex is to believed, it doesn't end well for the DW, however. Ghazzy has already slaughtered a Death Watch Company (or whatever they're called) I believe.
You think Saga of the Beast Won't have a primaris space wolf???? The absolutely ONLY reason you will be right is if the new space wolf codex is following very shortly after.
Considering that the Ghaz model got revealed at the LVO... yes. I think Saga of the Beast will have him, rather than a Space Wolf of any stripe.
There's also precedent from BT not getting a Primaris model with Faith & Fury.
*Sad Trombone*
I'd be surprised if SW didn't get anything in Saga of the Beast, their fans are calling for Russ, let alone a re-done Ragnar. Thinking about it that is the only situation I see them getting nowt - if Russ will appear at the end of the campaign.
E - rumour has it Ragnar is coming with Saga. We'll have to see if it's true but I can imagine it. He's THE oldest model, no?
endlesswaltz123 wrote: It looks like there is possibly going to be two characters in greater good, with Shadowsun and potentially a guard catachan character according to the rumour engine. There were two characters in Phoenix arising as well, just because the other books have included one, doesn't meant the rest will only have one.
You've just given me a thought - most of us believe(d) that rumour engine pic was either an Ork Kommando or a Catachan. Why did no one think it could be a GSC character? It could fit their aesthetic too by the looks!
Still, we know that Engine War is seeing a plethora of releases, and Blood of the Phoenix did get a few new kits even if they were poorly handled and shackled to an overpriced box set.
At the very least, we definitely know that The Greater Good and Saga of the Beast will only have a single model accompanying them, in this case Shadowsun and proooooooobably Ghazkull (plus Makari). We know what factions are gonna be in GG and Engine War, and that Engine War will have a lot of models. As for what happens after Engine War, well, we don't have any information on that yet, other than that everyone will get rules eventually.
Sorry how do we know engine war will have any model releases have i missed something
Still, we know that Engine War is seeing a plethora of releases, and Blood of the Phoenix did get a few new kits even if they were poorly handled and shackled to an overpriced box set.
At the very least, we definitely know that The Greater Good and Saga of the Beast will only have a single model accompanying them, in this case Shadowsun and proooooooobably Ghazkull (plus Makari). We know what factions are gonna be in GG and Engine War, and that Engine War will have a lot of models. As for what happens after Engine War, well, we don't have any information on that yet, other than that everyone will get rules eventually.
Sorry how do we know engine war will have any model releases have i missed something
New AM units is the solid assumption. It will be interesting if it does not get a character release attached. Additionally, there could be a Chaos Knight SC created for it...
You want to compare a neurothrope against a changecaster ?
No not really. I've never played with or against Tzeentch daemons so genuinely didn't know which point you were making. Nice wall of text though.
Benionin wrote: Also, wasn't the "one model per book" thing referring to the announcement of Ritual of the Damned, The Greater Good, and Saga of the Beast? It's possible that it was JUST those books with the one model treatment, although I'll admit that I was optimistic that there might be more included due to the open-endedness of the original wording so perhaps I'm just jumping to conclusions by thinking it was only those books. After all, both Faith and Fury and Blood of Baal only had a single model release too.
Still, we know that Engine War is seeing a plethora of releases, and Blood of the Phoenix did get a few new kits even if they were poorly handled and shackled to an overpriced box set.
At the very least, we definitely know that The Greater Good and Saga of the Beast will only have a single model accompanying them, in this case Shadowsun and proooooooobably Ghazkull (plus Makari). We know what factions are gonna be in GG and Engine War, and that Engine War will have a lot of models. As for what happens after Engine War, well, we don't have any information on that yet, other than that everyone will get rules eventually.
"But there’s more – we can treat you to the release timeline and titles of the next three books in the series after Blood of Baal – coming in January, February, and March respectively! Each book will be accompanied by an epic champion to lead the charge in this terrible age."
That wording doesn't confirm PA6 will come with exactly one new model, only that it's a minimum of one character. There could even be another PA1-style boxed set with an old finecast unit re-done in plastic like Banshees.
Benionin wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the Deathwatch showed up in Saga of the Beast to help the Space Corgis take down the Orks, but then again we've received no official information on that book beyond the title so far.
Also, wasn't the "one model per book" thing referring to the announcement of Ritual of the Damned, The Greater Good, and Saga of the Beast? It's possible that it was JUST those books with the one model treatment, although I'll admit that I was optimistic that there might be more included due to the open-endedness of the original wording so perhaps I'm just jumping to conclusions by thinking it was only those books. After all, both Faith and Fury and Blood of Baal only had a single model release too.
Still, we know that Engine War is seeing a plethora of releases, and Blood of the Phoenix did get a few new kits even if they were poorly handled and shackled to an overpriced box set.
At the very least, we definitely know that The Greater Good and Saga of the Beast will only have a single model accompanying them, in this case Shadowsun and proooooooobably Ghazkull (plus Makari). We know what factions are gonna be in GG and Engine War, and that Engine War will have a lot of models. As for what happens after Engine War, well, we don't have any information on that yet, other than that everyone will get rules eventually.
Well ad mech is getting more than 1 and very unlikely it won't be with their pa book in april. That means at least after pa6 possibility exists for moie than 1 kit per book
The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.
An Actual Englishman wrote: The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.
I think it's worth while examining who got what when to illustrate.
PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull
while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability
Saga of the Beast is PA6, this has been reported several times by GW now and is no longer rumour but fact. They specifically stated in the LVO preview that before Engine of War would be Saga.
Agreed that 1 unit should be expected but the possibility of more should not be entirely dismissed.
Technically GW have already proven that it could be more than one model per book because we know Makari and Ghaz are both coming. So there’s at least 2 ‘epic heroes’ coming with that book.
As I said earlier - I can’t see SW getting no new model in Saga. BT have not really set a precedent because they aren’t a first founding chapter. So far every ff chapter has received a model either during PA or just before. SW are allegedly one of the more popular marine factions so it stands to reason they’ll get something. Then there’s the rumour of Ragnar (that preceded Ghaz) and the age of the model.
I’m more curious to see if the models are locked to a boxed set or not. We have rumours of that too. GW are about due to release a box aren’t they? Shame it won’t be a Shadowspear or likely even a BotP type deal in terms of new models.
PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull
while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability
PA1-3 GW never said in advance how many models there would be coming. For PA4-6(btw Saga is PA6. GW alreayd has said that. PA7 aka engine of war comes after saga. Again as per GW saying) they specifically did mention numbers. Pretty optimistic to hope it's "it's 1 plus some more hidden ones for last one".
"But there’s more – we can treat you to the release timeline and titles of the next three books in the series after Blood of Baal – coming in January, February, and March respectively! Each book will be accompanied by an epic champion to lead the charge in this terrible age."
That wording doesn't confirm PA6 will come with exactly one new model, only that it's a minimum of one character. There could even be another PA1-style boxed set with an old finecast unit re-done in plastic like Banshees.
This. Read this those who believe only 1 character is a guarantee in the next PA books.
Technically GW have already proven that it could be more than one model per book because we know Makari and Ghaz are both coming. So there’s at least 2 ‘epic heroes’ coming with that book.
I'm actually wondering if Makari won't be included on Ghaz's base since Katakros and St. Katherine have shown GW is no stranger to doing vignette special characters with multiple models.
Technically GW have already proven that it could be more than one model per book because we know Makari and Ghaz are both coming. So there’s at least 2 ‘epic heroes’ coming with that book.
I'm actually wondering if Makari won't be included on Ghaz's base since Katakros and St. Katherine have shown GW is no stranger to doing vignette special characters with multiple models.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I'm actually wondering if Makari won't be included on Ghaz's base since Katakros and St. Katherine have shown GW is no stranger to doing vignette special characters with multiple models.
A trend we should all hope is as stillborn as most of GW's Codices...
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Yeah Ragnar is fething awful. Primaris or not he needs to be redone.
Didn't they put ragnar's head, sword and backpack on the SW upgrade sprue?I've seen people with "Converted" ragnars based on that sprue and they look good.
An Actual Englishman wrote: The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.
I think it's worth while examining who got what when to illustrate.
PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull
while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability
Since when does 1 HQ and 1 5 man unit amount to a "considerable expansion"?
New character (unsure if Elite or HQ). Then two Horsey units. Two flappy units. New flyers.
4 boxes, 7 new units. That's considerable in my book
That's actually 4 boxes, 8 units. The flyer makes 3 variants. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at some point GW will bite the bullet and just put all the Blackstone Fortress add-on guys in their appropriate codex as well.
New character (unsure if Elite or HQ). Then two Horsey units. Two flappy units. New flyers.
4 boxes, 7 new units. That's considerable in my book
That's actually 4 boxes, 8 units. The flyer makes 3 variants. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at some point GW will bite the bullet and just put all the Blackstone Fortress add-on guys in their appropriate codex as well.
Sunny Side Up wrote: Has there been a Blackstone miniature that DIDN'T get 40K rules?
I believe they all have a 40k datasheet.
And all of them except ones with admech keyword cant even be used in the majority (matched play) of games. Eldar/DE model release was DOA due to being locked into a horribly overpriced boxset that included extremely subpar units, chaos basically got no new units since having a 30th character model isn't that special. Mephiston was a welcome addition, and the new DA character looks decent.
Really the only army that got anything of note is going to be Admech which is 3 new unit boxes and a new HQ (Sorry I don't count every single datasheet as a new unit).
Likely? Everyone and noone. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets the "Unaligned" keyword, like the Spindledrones. Worth mentioning that the Zoat isn't a "generic" from what was being said, he's a specific individual called "The Archivist".
An Actual Englishman wrote: The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.
I think it's worth while examining who got what when to illustrate.
PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull
while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability
Since when does 1 HQ and 1 5 man unit amount to a "considerable expansion"?
I was refering to DA, BA and Admech, true GW didn't put out any new minis for DAs and BAs but they're clearly willing to devote considerable page count to giving an army a big update if they have to
Likely? Everyone and noone. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets the "Unaligned" keyword, like the Spindledrones. Worth mentioning that the Zoat isn't a "generic" from what was being said, he's a specific individual called "The Archivist".
Interesting. So how does taking an "unaligned " unit affect detachments?
Likely? Everyone and noone. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets the "Unaligned" keyword, like the Spindledrones. Worth mentioning that the Zoat isn't a "generic" from what was being said, he's a specific individual called "The Archivist".
Interesting. So how does taking an "unaligned " unit affect detachments?
Same way it affects the DREADED Ambull.. by making it a detachment that sits on your shelf since you dont have any matching keywords for a HQ choice.
Likely? Everyone and noone. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets the "Unaligned" keyword, like the Spindledrones. Worth mentioning that the Zoat isn't a "generic" from what was being said, he's a specific individual called "The Archivist".
Interesting. So how does taking an "unaligned " unit affect detachments?
usually it doesn't, it's the same thing as taking a fortification, as those are usually unaligned as well. I think the one exception is that the new Space Marine doctrines might get gimped.
Likely? Everyone and noone. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets the "Unaligned" keyword, like the Spindledrones. Worth mentioning that the Zoat isn't a "generic" from what was being said, he's a specific individual called "The Archivist".
Interesting. So how does taking an "unaligned " unit affect detachments?
Same way it affects the DREADED Ambull.. by making it a detachment that sits on your shelf since you dont have any matching keywords for a HQ choice.
You're still battleforged if you include unaligned models
Likely? Everyone and noone. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets the "Unaligned" keyword, like the Spindledrones. Worth mentioning that the Zoat isn't a "generic" from what was being said, he's a specific individual called "The Archivist".
Interesting. So how does taking an "unaligned " unit affect detachments?
usually it doesn't, it's the same thing as taking a fortification, as those are usually unaligned as well. I think the one exception is that the new Space Marine doctrines might get gimped.
Likely? Everyone and noone. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets the "Unaligned" keyword, like the Spindledrones. Worth mentioning that the Zoat isn't a "generic" from what was being said, he's a specific individual called "The Archivist".
Interesting. So how does taking an "unaligned " unit affect detachments?
Same way it affects the DREADED Ambull.. by making it a detachment that sits on your shelf since you dont have any matching keywords for a HQ choice.
You're still battleforged if you include unaligned models
So what? That's not what I was talking about. Being battle forged still means you need valid detachments and detachments need to share keywords. Like I said, there are no unaligned HQ's which means there are no valid unaligned detachments (besides fortifications and the terrible auxiliary one) unless the units share another keyword with units in another detachment.
All of the units in a matched play army, with the exception of those that are UNALIGNED, must have at least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. IMPERIUM or CHAOS), even though they may be in different Detachments
So you can place an UNALIGNED model in an Auxiliary Support Detachment and still have a Battle-forged army. So while it's true that field them in a different detachment I feel that was intentional on GW's part.
An Actual Englishman wrote: The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.
I think it's worth while examining who got what when to illustrate.
PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull
while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability
Since when does 1 HQ and 1 5 man unit amount to a "considerable expansion"?
I was refering to DA, BA and Admech, true GW didn't put out any new minis for DAs and BAs but they're clearly willing to devote considerable page count to giving an army a big update if they have to
Yes, from a rules stand point I'd agree, though you could argue to 3 armies already considerably expanded with BA, DA and BT. Your meaning was very confusing though as you were talking about both models and rules without clear distinction.
I am very aware of how much of a pedant I am being here, however it still stands. The DA got 2 releases in PA actually, a special character and a generic Primaris master model, so two data slate choices.
New PA teaser is up. Looks like this PA book is shifting more and more towards an Imperium focus, which is making me increasingly more disappointed with what will be in it. Definitely some salt involved in this opinion.
Dracarys wrote: New PA teaser is up. Looks like this PA book is shifting more and more towards an Imperium focus, which is making me increasingly more disappointed with what will be in it. Definitely some salt involved in this opinion.
Or it's them showcasing one of the three factions coming in the book, which is the Imperial Guard?
We had a three-pronged video released that showed the Tau's spiel, the Imperium's spiel, and the Genestealer Cult spiel.
We also know that the model for the book is Shadowsun, not Guard related.
the gnerally speaking 40k uses the IoM side of things as their narrative point of view, that's just normal given humans are, and should be, eaisest to understand
Dracarys wrote: New PA teaser is up. Looks like this PA book is shifting more and more towards an Imperium focus, which is making me increasingly more disappointed with what will be in it. Definitely some salt involved in this opinion.
What are the chances that the Ghyrson Starn kellermorph model from kill team will get released with this book? If he does then maybe the Tech-Priest Manipulus Balphamus Vaulk figure will return in April.
I'd say we've got good chances on both of those getting released alongside their books. The Killteam sets stopped being sold, despite stock being available for the AdMech one, rather suddenly--with them actually being pulled off the GW webstore last month.
Anybody remember what some of the more reliable rumors were saying about wolves in Saga of the beast and potential return of Russ? Really itching to hear anything about SOTB honestly.
Dreamchild wrote: Anybody remember what some of the more reliable rumors were saying about wolves in Saga of the beast and potential return of Russ? Really itching to hear anything about SOTB honestly.
I don’t think there were any reliable rumours of Russ returning in Saga of the Beast.
Dreamchild wrote: Anybody remember what some of the more reliable rumors were saying about wolves in Saga of the beast and potential return of Russ? Really itching to hear anything about SOTB honestly.
I don’t think there were any reliable rumours of Russ returning in Saga of the Beast.
how could Russ(or any other primarch)come back since PA happens during the indomitus crusade & there has been zero mention of anyone besides robot.
Dreamchild wrote: Anybody remember what some of the more reliable rumors were saying about wolves in Saga of the beast and potential return of Russ? Really itching to hear anything about SOTB honestly.
I don’t think there were any reliable rumours of Russ returning in Saga of the Beast.
how could Russ(or any other primarch)come back since PA happens during the indomitus crusade & there has been zero mention of anyone besides robot.
I’m pretty sure psychic awakening is happening in current events.
Dreamchild wrote: Anybody remember what some of the more reliable rumors were saying about wolves in Saga of the beast and potential return of Russ? Really itching to hear anything about SOTB honestly.
I don’t think there were any reliable rumours of Russ returning in Saga of the Beast.
how could Russ(or any other primarch)come back since PA happens during the indomitus crusade & there has been zero mention of anyone besides robot.
I’m pretty sure psychic awakening is happening in current events.
according to GW its during the Indom crusade & PA is just filling in the details/minutiae.
If 9th end comes, it comes at the of the Psychic Awakening and GW launches the next 'Chapter' of 40K if we follow the pattern set by Age of Sigmar.
Previously I could have believed an Ork vs SW set might have been the one to launch the updated edition, but with Enginewar now on the horizon that makes less sense.
PA 6 getting a set like PA 1 got though? Two characters and an extra unit for Orks or something like that? Seems simple enough to have been the original plan which may have leaked out in the earliest PA rumours - but whether that survived the outcry over new Pheonix lords being limited to army boxes I don't know.
Dreamchild wrote: Anybody remember what some of the more reliable rumors were saying about wolves in Saga of the beast and potential return of Russ? Really itching to hear anything about SOTB honestly.
I don’t think there were any reliable rumours of Russ returning in Saga of the Beast.
how could Russ(or any other primarch)come back since PA happens during the indomitus crusade & there has been zero mention of anyone besides robot.
I’m pretty sure psychic awakening is happening in current events.
according to GW its during the Indom crusade & PA is just filling in the details/minutiae.
BrianDavion wrote: Yeah I hope Ghaz comes out by himself, if he looks half as hood as I got a hunch he will I might just buy him for painting and display
If Ghaz comes in an expencive "blood of the phoenix" style box and then have to wait 6+ months to be released separatley, I predict weeping and wailing and mourning
and gnashing of teeth.
I doubt they would put a model of that caliber in a box though. But then again the whole PA series is the most cynic, greedy piece of gak GW pulled since Rountree took over. Mephiston was nice, but I dont expect much from this.
Tooth and claw had a redemptor in it to be fair, which might not be taller but is rivalling an armiger in terms of bulk plastic... It's not a small kit at all.
Now, is Ghaz going to be bigger than a redemptor? If he is it would be awesome but mental... He'd make Bobby G look like a chump
The fact Ghaz was teased on his own (yeah, yeah I know) makes me think he won't be in a battle box. He'll probably be an Abaddon type affair. He's already got the bait and switch teaser trailer shown at an event.
Jadenim wrote: Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.
Those were a lot better than having characters buried in starter-sized box sets.
BrianDavion wrote: Yeah I hope Ghaz comes out by himself, if he looks half as hood as I got a hunch he will I might just buy him for painting and display
If Ghaz comes in an expencive "blood of the phoenix" style box and then have to wait 6+ months to be released separatley, I predict weeping and wailing and mourning
and gnashing of teeth.
I doubt they would put a model of that caliber in a box though. But then again the whole PA series is the most cynic, greedy piece of gak GW pulled since Rountree took over. Mephiston was nice, but I dont expect much from this.
Given others are saying GW won’t do that, I’d say you’re prediction if they do will be absolutely on da teef!
The Greater Good is the latest book in the Psychic Awakening series, focusing on the ambitious T’au Empire, stalwart Astra Militarum and Ordo Tempestus, and insidious Genestealer Cults. You’ll find new rules, Relics, Warlord Traits and Stratagems for all four factions, wrapped in a thrilling story exploring a sprawling war that leaves them all paranoid and reeling. We’ll dig deeper into each of these factions, so keep an eye out for more information later this week.
They call out datasheets for Shadowsun and The Eight.
GSC start collecting is finally coming! They changed it from the version in the book!
Is the GSC box standard value? Seems mildly disappointing (to me personally). I'll still be buying it though as I'm just starting my GSC, but I'd have preferred something more impressive (the large 4WD instead of the smaller buggy, or maybe the bikers instead of the Acolytes).
It's extremely strange that the Goliath was swapped to the Achilles but the Iconward was left in. There was some speculation that the Iconward might get swapped out for something else(Kelermorph) but it seems to not be the case!
Yes, the GSC releases were much waited, but i'm itching for Astra militarum news. I think that GW is at point of make-or-break, for the new plastic guardsmen. I'm thinking that their options are;
- release plastic models for every codex regiment
- release plastic models for one specific regiment
- make rules for creating your own regiment
Not a bad box. Achilles is a little ??, so not a lot of reasons to buy multiples, but at least its somewhat borderline.
Glad to see the gunslinger by himself.
Not sure why the PA book is pretending stormtroopers are their own faction again, but whatever.
Jadenim wrote: Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.
I'm glad those are gone, hopefully never to return. I wanted at most one model from each of them, and the price for the combined box just stopped me cold.
Spreelock wrote: Yes, the GSC releases were much waited, but i'm itching for Astra militarum news. I think that GW is at point of make-or-break, for the new plastic guardsmen. I'm thinking that their options are;
- release plastic models for every codex regiment
- release plastic models for one specific regiment
- make rules for creating your own regiment
Well, they're obviously not doing the first one.
If they're doing the second one, they're not doing it anytime soon (and not with this book).
They might do the last one. To be honest, I think they're obliged to. Tying subfaction rules to sculpts is strange (and even worse than paint schemes), especially given that many to most of them just aren't available anymore. Custom regiments seems the best solution.
Sotahullu wrote: Well for me, Iconward is very bland HQ for an xenos cult. It is just a Acolyte carrying big(ger) banner with bit better stats and nothing else.
Heck, it would make sense if Kelemorp would becomes HQ choice and Iconward could be run as cheerleader.
Sure. I'd even agree with that swap, but that'd mean re-writing the Codex, which isn't gonna happen (despite desperately needed).
The only reasonable Codex 2.0 candidate at this time might be AdMech, which seem to be getting a miniature range sufficient to justify it.
GSC is a brand new range of miniatures. They're stuck for the next 4-5 years with an atrocious Codex full of odd choices like no-Chapter Tactics on vehicles and "let's-make-all-cool-unit-specific-strats-also-be-the-sub-faction-specific-strats" that'd only barely worked pre-nerf with Vigilus.
Spreelock wrote: Yes, the GSC releases were much waited, but i'm itching for Astra militarum news. I think that GW is at point of make-or-break, for the new plastic guardsmen. I'm thinking that their options are;
- release plastic models for every codex regiment
- release plastic models for one specific regiment
- make rules for creating your own regiment
Well there's no IG models coming with this release. And with this being IG's PA book that rules out IG models in PA. So next chance will likely be 2.0 for new models.
First ain't happening. 3rd is likely coming this book. 2nd is for models they will do when they do but when that is is anybody's guess. Could be codex 2.0, could be codex for 14th edition years down the line.
Voss wrote: Not a bad box. Achilles is a little ??, so not a lot of reasons to buy multiples, but at least its somewhat borderline.
It's a relatively cheap(in terms of points) vehicle that can get fielded in squadrons and take mortars...there's absolutely a reason to buy multiples.
Glad to see the gunslinger by himself.
Yup. Extremely happy with that.
Not sure why the PA book is pretending stormtroopers are their own faction again, but whatever.
Have you read the Guard book? For all intents and purposes, Scions absolutely are "their own faction".
They can't get <Regiment> traits(but they won't block them if they're in a <Regiment> army), can't get Orders from <Regiment> Officers, can't ride in <Regiment> Transports, etc instead being locked into their "Ordo Tempestus" traits.
"Ordo Tempestus" have their own trait(it's called "Stormtroopers")...but it's extremely sensitive to what you can/can't take.
Hopefully this is going to be subfaction rules for the Tempestus, since they have "Regiments of Renown".
Voss wrote: Not a bad box. Achilles is a little ??, so not a lot of reasons to buy multiples, but at least its somewhat borderline.
It's a relatively cheap(in terms of points) vehicle that can get fielded in squadrons and take mortars...there's absolutely a reason to buy multiples.
Glad to see the gunslinger by himself.
Yup. Extremely happy with that.
Not sure why the PA book is pretending stormtroopers are their own faction again, but whatever.
Have you read the Guard book? For all intents and purposes, Scions absolutely are "their own faction".
They can't get <Regiment> traits(but they won't block them if they're in a <Regiment> army), can't get Orders from <Regiment> Officers, can't ride in <Regiment> Transports, etc instead being locked into their "Ordo Tempestus" traits.
"Ordo Tempestus" have their own trait(it's called "Stormtroopers")...but it's extremely sensitive to what you can/can't take.
Hopefully this is going to be subfaction rules for the Tempestus, since they have "Regiments of Renown".
They can ride in regiment transports but bringing them would break their doctrine
Jadenim wrote: Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.
I'm glad those are gone, hopefully never to return. I wanted at most one model from each of them, and the price for the combined box just stopped me cold.
Funny thing it's that you can buy the models individually for the Imperium boxes, while the Xenos one still remains as the only source for those characters.
Jadenim wrote: Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.
I'm glad those are gone, hopefully never to return. I wanted at most one model from each of them, and the price for the combined box just stopped me cold.
Funny thing it's that you can buy the models individually for the Imperium boxes, while the Xenos one still remains as the only source for those characters.
The imperial ones were all different characters from different factions. The Eldar one is all for Ynnari, and it’s cheaper buying them together than it would be if they separated them.
Fayric wrote: If Ghaz comes in an expencive "blood of the phoenix" style box and then have to wait 6+ months to be released separatley, I predict weeping and wailing and mourning
and gnashing of teeth.
I think the only way to make an ork box at the same level of suck Blood of the Phoenix would be putting Ghaz in a box with a mek workshop and a stompa - and I'd still buy that Almost all our terrible units are multi-kits that build into others. The worst thing that could happen would be getting a battlewagon, deff dread or killa kanz, just like in every other box set since AOBR.
Fayric wrote: If Ghaz comes in an expencive "blood of the phoenix" style box and then have to wait 6+ months to be released separatley, I predict weeping and wailing and mourning
and gnashing of teeth.
I think the only way to make an ork box at the same level of suck Blood of the Phoenix would be putting Ghaz in a box with a mek workshop and a stompa - and I'd still buy that Almost all our terrible units are multi-kits that build into others. The worst thing that could happen would be getting a battlewagon, deff dread or killa kanz, just like in every other box set since AOBR.
Two ork mek shops with a special detachment requiring 2-3 that allows one of the mek shops to be used on two vehicles at once, once per game. This will then be immediately errata'd to the ability being unusable round 1.
